#Could i get some eyes on this? Toph Landfall

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storm goblet
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Earthbending having the unique trait of returning the land tapped and that its +1/+1 counters that boost it feel like its got a lot going on more than the normal landfall mechanic

sinful sluice
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What’s that goal? Earth Bend + Landfall + +1/+1?

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I’m working on a list that’s Bumi Unleashed + Ashaya then having Toph Greatest Earthbender and the Bumi Elcetic eathbenderw

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sinful sluice
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Sweet lemme grab that link. Just a heads up, I’m super early on building it, so it’s a very rough list😂 lots of fat to trim

sinful sluice
# storm goblet Pls share! And yes I wanna make a more aggressive lands deck
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Bumi, Unleashed - Commander deck

(1) Commander • (2) Anthem • (1) Artifact • (7) Counters • (13) Creature • (3) Draw • (4) Enchantment • (5) Finisher • (1) Instant • (41) Land • (19) Landfall • (2) Lifegain • (1) Proliferate • (6) Protection • (4) Pump • (33) Ramp • (2) Recursion • (4) Removal • (1) Sorcery...

storm goblet
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You could already do this to lands i guess

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Oh I forgot beastmasters

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Yeah i love that

sinful sluice
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You could? I always thought the lands were the color they tap for. I’m guessing they’re colorless just tap for specific color pip mana?

storm goblet
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Yeah they have color identity but lands are colorless permanents

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This is fucked. I forgot this exists.

sinful sluice
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I think it pop off, since all earthbended creatures get x +1/+1 counters. So if a land connects, it doubles its +1/+1s and if Ashaya is out, then everything nontoken that connects with a +1/+1 counter on it doubles their counters

storm goblet
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Id suggest [[vanquish the hoarde]] over preposterous proportions

astral oreBOT
storm goblet
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Wrong one

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Damn its the infect overrun

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This one

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Your creatures ought to be plenty big i think

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I think they just need trample and to win when they connect.

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sinful sluice
sinful sluice
astral oreBOT
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astral oreBOT
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Land
manat: Add manac.
mana1: This land becomes a 1/1 Phyrexian Blinkmoth artifact creature with flying and infect until end of turn. It's still a land. (It deals damage to creatures in the form of -1/-1 counters and to players in the form of poison counters.)

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Snow Land
manat: Add manac.
mana1manas: Until end of turn, this land becomes a 2/3 Construct artifact creature. It's still a land. (manas can be paid with one mana from a snow source.)
Whenever this land deals combat damage to a creature, tap that creature and it doesn't untap during its controller's next untap step.

storm goblet
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Inkmoth should be able to Just kill people one after the other

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Spmeone in general showed me [[famished worldsire]] and its so fucking cool in these earthbend decks

astral oreBOT
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Creature — Leviathan
Ward mana3
Devour land 3 (As this creature enters, you may sacrifice any number of lands. It enters with three times that many +1/+1 counters on it.)
When this creature enters, look at the top X cards of your library, where X is this creature's power. Put any number of land cards from among them onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.
0/0

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storm goblet
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Its a colorless land with a neat lil landfall stun function

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sinful sluice
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astral oreBOT
storm goblet
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[[Rhythm of the wild]] can go in

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storm goblet
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I need to add one to mine

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[[Uncivil unrest]] ain't budget but its good

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storm goblet
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[[Skullspore nexus]] is just good green card

astral oreBOT
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Legendary Artifact
This spell costs manax less to cast, where X is the greatest power among creatures you control.
Whenever one or more nontoken creatures you control die, create a green Fungus Dinosaur creature token with base power and toughness each equal to the total power of those creatures.
mana2, manat: Double target creature's power until end of turn.

storm goblet
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Inkmoth specifically goes in bumi honestly you can kill 2 players in one turn and corner one to the point theres no catch up

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The extra combat is wild

sinful sluice
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Hadn’t considered those 2 there

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I was looking at a [[all will be one]] since every earth bend puts counters

astral oreBOT
storm goblet
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I like it, only reason im leaving it out of mine is its expensive

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Have you added [[raggadragga, goreguts boss]] yet?

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storm goblet
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Its perfect for the earthbend cards

sinful sluice
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I did find that one. It’s one I’m considering

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From that list I shared, were there any that stand out that instantly just don’t need to be there? I’m working on trimming down the fat off that list

storm goblet
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Most of the hydras, all of the awakening cards, and the stuff that cares about green creatures since lands are colorless so like everything that looks like this id cut lol

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Stuff like this can go too imo

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Im trying to keep the curve low for anything that would need me tapping my earthbended lands, id cut this since youre gonna have to tap 7 hyst to get it out, to benefit your.... lands.... you see the problem lol

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The overrun im running is storm the seedcore since its only 4, iys mostly for the keywords and the art tho

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Im also struggling with cuts, do you see anything you think is too slow or not aggressive enough?

sinful sluice
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That’s a good point about lands not being considered “green” even if they tap for green

storm goblet
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I love the awaken mechanic i just feel like youd rather run a bad earthbend csrd over a decent awakening card

sinful sluice
# storm goblet Stuff like this can go too imo

I did have this one as a landfall version of a [[Darksteel Juggernaut]] if everything’s a land, then it’s a massive attack quickly to abuse in multiple combats. But probably not needed

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storm goblet
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Oooh ashaya is so stupid lmao

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God she enables such bullshit

sinful sluice
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Hahaha right! If all creatures are lands and all lands are lands, say I get 5 creatures out and have like 5+ lands, that’s instantly a 10/10 creature land attacking. Plus if it gets to 10/10 or something stupid and they chose to block it and I attack with Bumi as commander, I can just pay 3, move the +x/+x to Bumi or whatever they choose not to block before damage is delt

storm goblet
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Okay fair you've convinced me, if you fund yourself close to 100 and still need cuts id say it can go, but this is funny and good enough it seems worth

sinful sluice
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I’ll have to make my way through a bunch of cuts, but it’ll be end game cut if needed

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This stood out. I think there’s gotta be a way to play lands out of graveyards for less than 5.

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Noticed no [[Loot, Exuberant Explorer]]

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sinful sluice
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Maybe these too also? I think there’s definitely a better way to search for a land card. I thought about racetrack but I felt for 5 mana I’d rather have another card in there that boosts land creatures or something like that

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Or if I’m paying 5 mana there’s definitely something < or = to that cost that enables something a bit better imo

storm goblet
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Expedition map is really only there as backup for Sylvan scrying, which searches for inkmoth nexus or for ba sing se, its just extra redundancy so I could take it out, the behemoth is only there because its only of the only things I already own with that ability. I can switch to ramunap excavator p easily hut thars less of a cut and more of a swap out. And I juat forgot loot exists lol. If my lgs has one he can def go in. The only thing im a lil wary of is the racetrack since it is landfall that survives a boardwipe, which if ive got any land creatures it just gives me blockers that also have landfall lol. Same reason [[zendikars roil]] is in

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storm goblet
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I cut sporemound and elfsworn giant because they cant survive your average boardwipe

sinful sluice
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Makes sense.

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I do like Zendikar Roil.

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I did think about sporemound and elfsworn giant. I could deal with them getting wiped, but if they do it’s two 5 mana creatures gone, that’s instantly kinda did something I could get cheaper

storm goblet
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Yeah roil and racetrack are very slow, I can definitely cut them honestly

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I like them and already own them but they dont advance the specific playstyle here

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They're defensive not aggressive

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And thats 3 5 drops gone lmao

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My curve is instantly better

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Ya love to see it

sinful sluice
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I liked a [[Grazing Gladehart]], Scute Swarm it’s cheaper kinda does what both those guys did. Or [[Omnath, Locus of Rage]] pricey but if it’s wiped and his tokens die too, then it deals damage to any target

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sinful sluice
storm goblet
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Omnath is incredible im only waiting to see if anyone in my city has one 😭

sinful sluice
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If there’s money available it does come in the landfall edge of eternities precon

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[[Scute Swarm]] was appealing because with Ashaya it be super easy to get 6 “lands” then each Scute Swarm doubles every land, or creature that enters. At least two doubles of it with land for turn plus 1 creature

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sinful sluice
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Tbf yes those copys wont be lands due to Ashaya only caring about nontokens, but it would give you a shit ton of blocking tokens to chop block with instead of of using your animated lands or other valuable creatures

storm goblet
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Im running scute iirc

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Yeah its there

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Scute swarm is normally annoying here its gonna be "rakdos charm me or lose"

sinful sluice
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Oh were u saying the other landfall creature, you could do more for 3 mana?

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U think about a [[Vexing Shusher]] or [[Goblin Anarchomancer]]

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storm goblet
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Nah shusher Is good but i don't run enough creatures, and goblin makes toph worse since she is a mana sink that cares about the amount of mana spent

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Now hear me out. [[Ashnod altar]] in toph

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storm goblet
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Nah it could work but not in this specific build

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sinful sluice
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storm goblet
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Losing the Stateline is made up for by making your lands bigger

storm goblet
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Thoughts on [[gemstone caverns]]

astral oreBOT
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Legendary Land
If this card is in your opening hand and you're not the starting player, you may begin the game with Gemstone Caverns on the battlefield with a luck counter on it. If you do, exile a card from your hand.
manat: Add manac. If Gemstone Caverns has a luck counter on it, instead add one mana of any color.

storm goblet
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[[Gemstone mine]] whoops

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storm goblet
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Cavern is so good

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Mine is less good

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Nah mine sucks nvm

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At least if you earthbend ghost quarter then hit yourself thats technically a 4/5 mana rampant growth. Not good but its advancing your game a lil

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I dont see this in

storm goblet
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Both of these can go in

sinful sluice
sinful sluice
# storm goblet Mine is less good

I did pick up a copy of Mine. I kinda like the 3 counters then sacrifice. If you earthbend it you’ll get it back + another landfall trigger in 3 turns if you do it same turn it’s cast

sinful sluice
# storm goblet Both of these can go in

I don’t think I have Horizon Explorer in the list, but i definitely have a copy of it. I don’t have a copy of Loading Zone but did kinda forget about it haha. I did pick up a copy of terrasymbiosis tho, definitely will use it

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[[Ouroboroid]] would be fun too, just pricey

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storm goblet
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Hopefully in a few years It goes down, but i think itll be good iys entire life im standard

storm goblet
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I really like mycoloth but I dont think it goes here, but how do you feel about [[iridescent hornbeetle]]

astral oreBOT
storm goblet
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It feels defensive and maybe a bit "win-more"

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But it feels like it'd be insane if you pulled it off

sinful sluice
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storm goblet
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Youre right, it can go in. I think ill also drop a mountain pr evolving wilds for [[Kavaron memorial world]] when I can get my hands on one

astral oreBOT
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Land — Planet
This land enters tapped.
manat: Add manar.
Station (Tap another creature you control: Put charge counters equal to its power on this Planet. Station only as a sorcery.)
STATION 12+
mana1manar, manat, Sacrifice a land: Create a 2/2 colorless Robot artifact creature token, then creatures you control get +1/+0 and gain haste until end of turn.

storm goblet
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This and [[landing zone]] are perfect together snd perfect for toph

astral oreBOT
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No card found for “landing zone”

storm goblet
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[[LOADING ZONE]]

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storm goblet
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Since earthbending makes it a creature before adding the counters shit is a 1 mana branching evolution when you warp it

sinful sluice
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I didn’t even consider the EOE planets

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Loading zone would be a great add

storm goblet
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I dont think the planets need to go in, youd never earthbend them but theyre really good anyway lol

sinful sluice
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Or I meant at least the red planet

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Just a way to sac earthbended lands so they give another landfall triggers

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Think I’m finally gonna sit down and try and cut 60 cards off my list tn.

storm goblet
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Ping me later! Im going to a party but ill check it when I get uo tomorrow

sinful sluice
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Sounds good! Will let ya know when I get through this round of cuts

sinful sluice
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Cut it down from like 160 to 126. Sideboard is the ones I’m on the fence about cutting. The Maybeboard are the ones that I was cutting for sure.

sinful sluice
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Then I added a few things that said proliferate

storm goblet
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I dont love these

sinful sluice
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Sylvan Advocate was there to boost land creatures would be easy to get 6 “lands” considering Ashaya. Same idea with Mossborn. Every creature and land triggers his landfall

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Sazh’s Chocobo and Vinelasher Kudzu were the cheap easy creatures to drop with a landfall giving permanent +1/+1

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The Crystallian Armor was a better Blanchwood Armor, would give Bumi Unleashed Trample and a solid+1/+1 boost to get get damage in to trigger extra attacks

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Katara and Toph made sense since I’d still be taping lands for mana if they’re earthbended then they get an additional +1/+1

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My understanding of Undergrowth Champion is that I could block some massive creature with him, sac a +1/+1 and then prevent all damage to him. A free blocker that gets bigger when I drop lands?

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Sylvan Awakening was an option for a finisher if I can’t get a bunch of lands earthbended or keep Ashaya on the board. Sure I’d miss out on creatures being lands for Bumi’s extra attack phases but at least I’d get one sold swing with all my lands as 2/2 and indestructible

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Everything else I cut out. Pretty much my justification for some of those cards or at least the idea with them

storm goblet
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I think youre over valuing small value creatures, when I think what you really wanna do is ramp as much as you can turns 1-4. Bumi doesnt give the kudzu, the chocobo, or Sylvan advocate extra combat, and while ashaya turbo charges this deck it cant be relied on to win on its own, you really want as many lands out and only non-land creatures that are absolute killer imo, bumi is good enough, fair points on the crystallian armor I forgot this is a bumi deck for a second lol, and i like katara and toph i think kt might just be a lil slow unless you keep a premium of the hardened scales cards, if you do fair enough, and yeah thats the best use case for undergrowtb champion, its not bad actually and honestly Sylvan awakening making your already earthbent creatures indestructible trample and base 2/2 on top of everything else is worth an include in my list too

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Undergrowth is the best of the landfall counter creatures so if anything keep that

storm goblet
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I put mine together last night, bumi toph and inkmoth killed 2 people in 1 turn and the other one was able to beat me from there but I was so close.

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Never saw famished worldsire but I found i eas bending one creature multiple times than making multiple small creatures with earthbend, the tempo loss is sometimes worth it bjt usually with toph having one big trample double striker feels better. Earthbender ascension is fucked up.

sinful sluice
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Yea that’s a good point on the small creatures. I think ramp for 4 turns is doable, even at tables with my pod. It’s pretty much a big creatures green deck based of what cmc creatures end up having the abilities to make the strategy happen definitely can get away with less small stuff

sinful sluice
storm goblet
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I used Secret tunnel, I made toph and bumi unblockable, bumis single extra combat just wasn't enough to kill 3 people in one turn but boo hoo I only killed 2 people in one turn poor me

storm goblet
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I think people will start running kore land removal with earthbend in the format, hitting these lands before theyre creatures is the only way to deal with us super effectively

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That or counter the triggered abilities

sinful sluice
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Tbf no one in my pod currently runs a blue focus deck with lists of counters. Someone’s got a red/green/white deck which has a good bit of negate things but nothing insane

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I think I’m the only one with a blue deck as I also run Captain Howler, less as a blue and more as an agro with unblockable creatures

storm goblet
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Youre good then lmao

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Yeah this is a strategy that sort of will go unpunished

sinful sluice
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Works perfectly with earthbended lands returning

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Not complaining, totally could have had some kinda returns with a stun counter type con to it haha

storm goblet
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[[Captain howler]]

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sinful sluice
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Yea that one haha. Closest anyone in my group has to a blue deck with lots of counters. But it mine so I won’t have to worry

sinful sluice
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Picked up the Avatar Beginners box to get the Bumi Elcelectic Earthbender

storm goblet
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Oooh he's so good

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I think youre more go wide land creatures and im go big

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Having a giant double striker has been wining me games but bumi untapping the lands is so crazy

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I got bumi out once this weekend and he won the game immediately

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Gruul bumi I mean

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I dont know if eclectic earthbender goes in my deck

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The boulder might tho

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[[The boulder]]

astral oreBOT
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Multiple cards match “The boulder”, can you be more specific?

sinful sluice
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Yea I think mine ends up more go wide lands.

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Mostly since I’m more used to doing tokens or at least like having lots of blockers etc

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I have maybe half the non-land cards for the deck

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I can’t wait to finish it and give it a shot

sinful sluice
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Managed to pick up a good chunk of the remaining cards. Stumbled upon a new card shop near where I’m at, they had like everything.

storm goblet
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I think you might like this, its modal ramp and removal in gruul earthbending

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Someone at my lgs opened a few bundles and sidnt want this, and gave it to me for free on the condition I use it in toph

sinful sluice
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That store I stopped at set me up. I probably need to find another 15 cards, but it’s just the cheaper stuff. Plus tokens. Sped being able to play the deck by a good 2 weeks haha. No need to order off tcgplayer now. Or at least the order just dropped by like $100

regal birch
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kinda curious about [[loading zone]] i know it works with earthbending, but does it helps other forms of counters strategy? esp since spacecraft and planet was a one time thing

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regal birch
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i havent started my land-creature deck and i may look for toph in the 99 instead

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or even multiple toph build around to randomly pick one at the beginning of the game

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storm goblet
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I think all the toph are good, the gruul toph are neat lil commanders that fly under the radar cuz everyone defaults to 3c toph

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Playing them the last few weeks, gruul toph has people going like "oh its just gruul beatdown" till you swing an 10/10 vigilance double strike trample valgavoth's lair at them which natively has hexproof

regal birch
storm goblet
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Oh sorry I thought you were lizard

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You both have red discord pfps

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storm goblet
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It is lesser vorinclex

regal birch
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i like the gruul tophs a lot more than the 3 colour one but i havent pick up any yet, not an ATLA fan

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at least not yet

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but how to turn lesser vorinclex into less-lesser vorinclex

storm goblet
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Ah thats interesting, its one of those things thats always been around me as a kid lol, always was gonna make a toph, so glad theyre all gas

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regal birch
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i played mtg long enough so i am like finding the oldest janks and similar things to include rather than endlessly upgrading with new cards

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i think the biggest appeal with double counter is the doubling season + planeswalker interaction

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wotc learnt their lesson to not repeat that on purpose but its not impossible to replicate to a degree

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i use my loading zone like a harden scale so i want to find what other counters i can do with it

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especially when it doesnt apply to artifact enchantment saga and such

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unless i have [[march of the machine]]

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regal birch
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for saga creature they may end up dying too quick

storm goblet
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Theres a lot of bullshit you csn do with a 1 mana doubling season for creatures

regal birch
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anyways got off tracked, for the landfall thing i think a really good one would be [[roaring earth]]
but thats nothing compare to the $$[scrythecat cub]]

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regal birch
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loading zone not working with vehicle do feel a bit like a flavour miss

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even if inferior to the new [[earthbending accension]] its probably worth a slot

astral oreBOT
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No card found for “earthbending accension”

regal birch
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[[earthbend accension]]

astral oreBOT
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Enchantment
When this enchantment enters, earthbend 2. Then search your library for a basic land card, put it onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.
Landfall — Whenever a land you control enters, put a quest counter on this enchantment. When you do, if it has four or more quest counters on it, put a +1/+1 counter on target creature you control. It gains trample until end of turn.

regal birch
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oh maybe not that diff, since it need 3 more counters

regal birch
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i have like chimera +2/+2 counters which are oddly good with proliferate

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but the colour and card types are complete mismatch

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[[Ride the shoopuf]] from FF

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regal birch
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that one i still need a copy

storm goblet
storm goblet
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If thats what you want upu should go for felisa or other stuff that really likes fiddling with counters

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I think landfall is better as an aggro strategy that has built in redundancy with your obvious ramp package given you are in green and gaf about lands

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The double strike toph can kill super quickly with inkmoth nexus and the lesson toph makes a small land then a huge land then a massive one, I like the mono g toph but I prefer them in 99

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Bumi is also super aggressive and cool

regal birch
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which felisa, dont remember names off the top without pics

storm goblet
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[[Felisa]]

astral oreBOT
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Legendary Creature — Vampire Wizard
Flying
Mentor (Whenever this creature attacks, put a +1/+1 counter on target attacking creature with lesser power.)
Whenever a nontoken creature you control dies, if it had counters on it, create X tapped 2/1 white and black Inkling creature tokens with flying, where X is the number of counters it had on it.
3/2

regal birch
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oh wow, this is like [[elenda the dusk]]

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regal birch
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flying with 2 power tokens is quite significant

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but that would be something in the 99 as well 🤔

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since no green

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if i can get different types of counters, than the proliferate would be x2/x3 rather than just one more counter

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and loading zone can see all of those different counters

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sounds kinda like atraxa on steoroids

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😅

storm goblet
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Why not just do atraxa If you dont wanna earthbend?,

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This is the earthbending thread

regal birch
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[[trasverse the outland]] i run tons of basics i dont think i want the hate from having atraxa in the commander zone besides its $$

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storm goblet
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Atraxa gives you what you want

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[[$atraxa praetor]]

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storm goblet
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Ah its gone back up

regal birch
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i do want land creatures, but i will have very little new cards

storm goblet
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We had an 8 dollar atraxa

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regal birch
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CAD here so its like 1.3 times all price XD we poor

storm goblet
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You specifically want earthbend of thats the case

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Ew.... tbh i dont like atraxa either

regal birch
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indestructible land creatures are the best

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i maybe able to do a black white green counter focus deck

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i will see when i can pick up some toph to fit into an existing deck

storm goblet
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Only abzan land legend i know of is necrobloom

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Or Thalia and gitrog, but theres the atraxa problem again

regal birch
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i got weird ways to play lands so i dont need the fetch and additional lands which are quite pricey as well

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thalia gitrog does a bit too much with tapping things down so people hate that one too

storm goblet
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This shit is fucked up in earthbending aggro

regal birch
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it looks good but i think the downside of that card had always been the mana cost

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it basicaly cost 6 to cast and equip onto an untapped land

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without white, to enchant lands to give indestructible, it maybe one of the few ways to do in red green

sinful sluice
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@storm goblet Finally going to pick up the last few cards I was eyeing up for Bumi today.

storm goblet
astral oreBOT
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Legendary Artifact
This spell costs manax less to cast, where X is the greatest power among creatures you control.
Whenever one or more nontoken creatures you control die, create a green Fungus Dinosaur creature token with base power and toughness each equal to the total power of those creatures.
mana2, manat: Double target creature's power until end of turn.

sinful sluice
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sinful sluice
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Got it all picked up, lemme get the list going of what I have to build with.

storm goblet
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Good shit man