No MLD in bracket 3 and Hokori, Dust Drinker does just that so yes, this would be too powerful for bracket 3.
Teferi's Puzzle Box + Spirit of the Labyrinth would likely also be considered an early 2 card combo which is also something that should not be in a bracket 3 deck.
Outside of that it feels about as powerful as my Y'shtola, if not just being more efficient than mine.
#Think this is too strong for a b3?
void salmon
golden tartan
[[Hokori, Dust Drinker ]]
bleak knotBOT
golden tartan
too hard to make a table agree* to this in B3 level, and heavy stax is just salty and unfun in general
potent narwhal
Idea got scrapped as the build wasnt really what I thought it'd be and lots less fun than my party stax
shadow jay
too hard to make a table agree* to this in B3 level, and heavy stax is just salt...
I hate how B3 doesn’t include any MLD simply because it induces salt you can have a mid deck with some land denial which performs at a 3
The classifications need work though
golden tartan
typo, "agree to"
its actually not the power level but the expectations
most decks arent designed to deal with high power resources denial
potent narwhal
I personally prefer the power level system over bracket system. Power level atleast gave you an idea of how the deck can preform
shadow jay
I personally prefer the power level system over bracket system. Power level atle...
Same, you get people overestimating their deck a lot but over time they just say it’s lower after they get continually stomped
A 7 is a strong deck or heavily upgraded precon
potent narwhal
I agree. Most my decks sit at 6 or 7 and one of my "powerful" decks sits at a 6 yet is too much to handle cause of the interaction in it
shadow jay
I agree. Most my decks sit at 6 or 7 and one of my "powerful" decks sits at a 6 ...
Yeah I try to keep mine in that range which would be between high 3 low 4 now
potent narwhal
Yeah I try to keep mine in that range which would be between high 3 low 4 now
same. i have 1 deck that will eventually become a mid to high 4, maybe a 2nd if i get funds but most of em just sit at high 3 for the b3 decks
shadow jay
Most people play 2s and 3s I don’t play high power often
And usually someone gets completely obliterated because they may have the game changers or MLD in the deck but it doesn’t mean the deck is good
potent narwhal
bingo! im not a fan of MLD myself but thats just because landfall decks hate MLD lol
my b4 deck is a heavily modified jump scare precon. currently it sits at a high 3
is a strong stax deck too much for a b3 you think?
shadow jay
is a strong stax deck too much for a b3 you think?
I wouldn’t say so, but that’s because I love stax. Most people have hella hate for stax and want it to be bracket 4 always
People just don’t really know how to build it it needs to lead up to the player winning the game with it otherwise you just sit at a table doing nothing as anger grows against you 😂
potent narwhal
I wouldn’t say so, but that’s because I love stax. Most people have hella hate f...
Mind giving me your opinion on my current stax then? I have had a lot of people say its a 4 due to the interaction being so much
shadow jay
Send the list
potent narwhal
shadow jay
https://manabox.app/decks/CMyXcFujRAm-0-8rizWMUw
I’d probably say a 4 on this
But not a strong one
Low 4
potent narwhal
Due to how slow it is?
shadow jay
Due to how slow it is?
I mean you are operating on a pretty low curve
Average mana value 2.68 across the board
potent narwhal
Oh I know it's just what I mean by slow is lack of card draw
shadow jay
Lack of rocks lead to some problems with consistency but your commander mitigates that
potent narwhal
That's why I don't use the rocks. I'm trying to figure out how to make it a mid-four deck but keep it within theme
shadow jay
I see, yeah the card draw could be better
You are in black though so there’s a lot of shenanigans you can do with that
[[phyrexian arena]]
shadow jay
[[deadly dispute]]
bleak knotBOT
Instant
As an additional cost to cast this spell, sacrifice an artifact or creature.
Draw two cards and create a Treasure token. (It's an artifact with "
, Sacrifice this token: Add one mana of any color.")
"That's a pretty ring! Trade you my knife for it."
shadow jay
How often do you connect to people
shadow jay
Combat damage
potent narwhal
Hit and miss. Usually depends on whats in hand and what I have out along with who took the protection
shadow jay
[[elegy acolyte]]
bleak knotBOT
shadow jay
I really like this card
this is my new deck I am on my second iteration for
bracket 3 I made it to be while being very oppressive
very consistent card draw
potent narwhal
this is the 4th remake for the party deck. this is the first time ive been able to get solid help trying to fix it lol
potent narwhal
https://moxfield.com/decks/XwD22Rsf9kSY28WdNRj6GA
jfc ew lmao
would revel in riches be worth having in the deck or no?
shadow jay
would revel in riches be worth having in the deck or no?
For a wincon I’d say so
Also helps ramp you
potent narwhal
thats what i was thinking
the current wincons are just commander damage and the blood bond combo
shadow jay
If you want a little group hug relief \ troll [[cut a deal]] is pretty fun and fits theme
bleak knotBOT
potent narwhal
ive thought about throwing in armageddon as well just to slow everyone down a bit as long as my commander is out
shadow jay
Helps card draw too
shadow jay
ive thought about throwing in armageddon as well just to slow everyone down a bi...
That will make it immediately a 4
Even if the deck doesn’t operate at a 4 yet
potent narwhal
That will make it immediately a 4
well i figure if its a low 4 might as well solify it as a 4 since its too much for a b3
shadow jay
Yeah I guess so
potent narwhal
i get chewed out any time i try to play it as a 3 at my lgs and my main server cause its too much
shadow jay
The problem is if your commander is removed while Armageddon is on stack
potent narwhal
thats the only worry i have. but if i have a few treasure out id just need a protection to keep it there
potent narwhal
i dont have one yet lol
its something i thought about cause that + urborg = stoppage
shadow jay
If you wanna really troll you can run [[korvus bell]] and [[elish Norn grand zenobite]] since you have uraborg
shadow jay
But it’s a bit off the beaten path with your theme
potent narwhal
ngl i have thought about that before just using a selensya deck lol
shadow jay
😂
potent narwhal
my LGS has a mana web in stock right now for 15.48
shadow jay
😮
so lucky
I just traded in my chaos emerald green and foil borderless buster sword for a mint revised wheel of fortune
potent narwhal
oh damn thats nice man
shadow jay
I still got 20 on credit left
potent narwhal
they dont have anything you want for 20 or less?
shadow jay
If you didn’t rely on treasures I’d say a [[null rod]] would be great
bleak knotBOT
potent narwhal
im thinking shay cormac might be helpful
shadow jay
[[shay cormac]]
bleak knotBOT
Legendary Creature — Human Knight Rogue
: Permanents your opponents control lose hexproof, indestructible, protection, shroud, and ward until end of turn.
Whenever a creature an opponent controls becomes the target of a spell or ability you control, put a bounty counter on that creature.
Whenever a creature with a bounty counter on it dies, put two +1/+1 counters on Shay Cormac.
1/1
shadow jay
Thats great
potent narwhal
it'd really fuck someones day up lmao
shadow jay
Definitely
golden tartan
bingo! im not a fan of MLD myself but thats just because landfall decks hate MLD...
but the logic is slightly flawed, if the landfall deck already got their value, MLD hurt that deck the LEAST compare to those without landfall/ artifact also get destroyed much more often than lands; its the players who may avoid killing a sol ring
stax and MLD arent the same but plays somewhat similar. both are difficult to adjust
acolyte is nice, but i think it is still a weaker Gix
potent narwhal
acolyte is nice, but i think it is still a weaker Gix
even if gix is better, gix isnt able to fit into the theme of this deck. this deck is themed for a reason
shadow jay
acolyte is nice, but i think it is still a weaker Gix
he needs party members
and he isnt really crapping out 1/1s much to get the gix count up he just needs to connect per player
golden tartan
i overlooked that the moment i saw manabox site 😅
simply thought that i dont really mind if my opponent can draw off gix
i only own acolyte for budget reason
potent narwhal
Lol no worries. Im all for suggestions on how to solidify the deck into b4 stax
golden tartan
lowkey hate mana box, it doesnt let me move cards around and tag