#Might need some help with Biollante

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https://moxfield.com/decks/y0Q-5y-ym02eAdEYdIov-Q
the deck has been made and I've played it on tabletop a few times, but its almost underwhelming compared to my other mutate deck, the main idea is trying to combo off with Mothra, but its just a bit slow and I think I'm failing in card draw potential, I've been told by my brother its not very good but didn't get any extra feedback other then that. just ideas for cards I might switch out and what I'm missing would be greatly appreciated

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most of the time I have tags for my decks but im yet to get around to it this time, will add some later

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alright i will check it out

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:0

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okay i am back with this, some interesting nice cards in the deck

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i think there are better cards than [[migration path]] , in general a deck that plays cultivates can go for kodama's reach as well

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is it weird to have diabolic tutor when you also have the intent tutor 😅

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more curious what you want to search

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[[damn]] in general do more than wrath of god

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unless you want thematic and iconic card name

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removal upgrades are also easy since there are better disenchant and heartless act, but there will do the job just fine 8/10 times

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i am not sure what the set up is

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[[auspicious starrix]] dont fit the deck too well from the looks of it

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Creature — Elk Beast
Mutate mana5manag (If you cast this spell for its mutate cost, put it over or under target non-Human creature you own. They mutate into the creature on top plus all abilities from under it.)
Whenever this creature mutates, exile cards from the top of your library until you exile X permanent cards, where X is the number of times this creature has mutated. Put those permanent cards onto the battlefield.
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0 power are nice so i think you can use [[arboreal grazer]]

idk whats the point of [[soulstone sanctuary]] cool card but its a human

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need things to get that mutate going so i think you want those creature ramp. that is no later than T2 or as low as mana2 cost

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[[krosan wayfar]]

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ofc the original doesnt say human on it

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errata'ed only to get nerfed

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idk if you need Sad golem. but its not a bad creature

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anything that lets you mutate [[migratory greathorn]] by T3 would be nice

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while there are many things i can see being added to the deck, its hard to know what you aer willing to cut

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the list is unfocused without a clear build path

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[[compy swarm]] looks like a pet card

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its not bad, but it needs things to happen, which the deck is not always going to do

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hmmm is this human [[sengir autocrat]]

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the serf tokens can be mutated onto and as long as the top isnt the token, it will not exile it

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nice with aristocrat sac for 4 body from a single card, but i dont really like 4 mana cost in this case

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[[avenger of zendikar]] aleways makes lot of tokens

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5 power takes up half the 10 total tho

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i would still go for it if i want value on the board

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same problme with [[abhorrent overlord]] if want to make many creatures at once

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but i think they are nice with [[mirkwood bat]] if you want drain combo

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No card found for “burial alive”

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No card found for “bury alive”

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[[buried alive]]

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[[solemn]]

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Multiple cards match “solemn”, can you be more specific?

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as for the reasoning for some of the cards that might not make sense, its all cards I own in my collection, or recent pulls from packs and such, so making cuts and seeing what cards I would need is always nice, as for the what im looking for with tutors

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its mostly mothra and the handful of cards that I put in to try and combo with it (im more of a big stompy player and dont play combo, so I thought it could be fun)

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ima be real I gave up hope anyone looked at this and was about to just try and make another post, glad you gave some recommendations as Id really like to have this deck work

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the only things I really refuse to cut are some of these, for the most part everything else is fair game if needed

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sorry for the many pings, I just wanted to make sure you knew what was connected to what when I try to respond

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did I not get it right? it dies, comes back with a -1/-1 counter, dies and comes back with a flying counter, and just does it over and over cycling between the counters no?

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at least with that one, I had a few cards that kinda worked similar to that

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[[solemnity]]

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this one tho [[$solemnity]]

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i dont really recommander much

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the power is there

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but it isnt the most fun for me

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would it still be worth when I have cards that want some counters?

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i guess you wouldnt want to cut the mechagozilla?

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but if it ends up just being anti fun perhaps I need to rethink it

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if it was 2 mana i would have kept it

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2 mana or lower utility creature (ideally non human)

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3 mana ramp or set up

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then go from there with some sort of combo or fun styff

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stuff

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not the end but I would have to take this out also most likely if I waned solemnity

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do you own this one

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[[$palantir of orthanc]]

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it is not a cheap$ card

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I have 2 copys of it, brother traded me his extras when he opened alot of it

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really fun and powerful

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super cool card, ive had them sitting in my binder for ages (I guess not that long but still)

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it is a draw/self mill engine, may not need it for this deck, but it doesnt hurt to keep atm

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at the very least, it is probably on par with [[phyrexian arena]]

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the only thing I dont own from the list of cards is the basic lands, those things expensive so I got a proxy set of them

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the plains are like 25 usd each

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but so cute

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i am more toward [[out of the tomb]] because it is always the same thing instead of someone making the choice for me

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[[$out of the tomb]] but it is only from that universe beyond precon

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oooo I like that

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i just happens to own it so i play that instead

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ive only really seen the tyranids from the precon I have (a bit sad with how weak some of them seem keeping the box commander)

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nice for filling the grave to reanimate with other things

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the replacement for deck out basically doesnt happen if you are not doing other self mill

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tyranids arent bad

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some precon just plays slow

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yeah they are not the worst thing ive played, but having a 6 mana commander that cant really hit anything without extra work is rough

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and the card draw is kinda weak from what ive seen with him

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[[The Swarmlord]]

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the two mini humans at the bottom right

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the other 2 are a bit less, but its still 15 per for the swamp and forest

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i thought they were flowers at first

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didnt end up sacrificing much really either, but the card is cool so I kept it as the commander of the other one people run (just looked like a human from what I remember)

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[[Magus Lucea Kane]]

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Legendary Creature — Human Tyranid Wizard
Spiritual Leader — At the beginning of combat on your turn, put a +1/+1 counter on target creature.
Psychic Stimulusmanat: Add manacmanac. When you next cast a spell with manax in its mana cost or activate an ability with manax in its activation cost this turn, copy that spell or ability. You may choose new targets for the copy. (A copy of a permanent spell becomes a token.)
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they are

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its nice because the commander doesnt automatically give you a win con so the deck makes the player works for it

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Rule 1 for Mutate: Ditch ALL of your humans

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honestly

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The only human I run in mine is [[Eternal Witness]] and I've even she's annoying since I can't mutate on her

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[[Skullwinder]] is a great 2nd return engine though

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The big issue that Mutate has, is that we're putting all of our "eggs" in one basket

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BUT

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since we're in green, we can work around that. I introduce to you: HEXPROOF TROLLS!

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[Troll Ascetic]]

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[[Thrun, the Last Troll]]

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[[Guardian Augmenter]]

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and, she ain't a troll, but she still trolls, [[Sigarda, Host of Herons]]

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Being able to cheat big things in is amazing, especially if they're stuff like [[Zendikar Resurgent]]

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having effects that trigger to draw whenever we cast creatures is even better in this deck as they trigger on mutate

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[[Season of Growth]]

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and effects that reduce the casting cost of creatures:

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[[Heatless Summoning]]

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are both exceptionally strong

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I'm going to write up my deck list just now and I'll send it across

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btw [[Grist, the Hunger Tide]] is a stroke of genius in this list, I salute you sir

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Legendary Planeswalker — Grist
As long as Grist isn't on the battlefield, it's a 1/1 Insect creature in addition to its other types.
+1: Create a 1/1 black and green Insect creature token, then mill a card. If an Insect card was milled this way, put a loyalty counter on Grist and repeat this process.
−2: You may sacrifice a creature. When you do, destroy target creature or planeswalker.
−5: Each opponent loses life equal to the number of creature cards in your graveyard.
Loyalty: 3

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ok so looking over my deck and thinking about a few other things, I really can't stress enough how important it is to protect your turn when you're going to cast your commander. It's similar to trying to resolve something like [[Zacama]]

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the other route is adding more graveyard filling effects, like [[Golgari Grave-Troll]]

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and [[Underrealm Lich]]

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dredge effects in general are very effective in this list

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not really sure how I feel about dredge as Ive never played with it much before, but its not a bad idea to add some

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and while I do have 6 humans I think I can explain a few of them

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this guy is apart of a combo with mothra, remove the counters, sac it and keep doing it

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this guy is here just so I can have a sacrifice outlet as I dont have many (I could see removing him but id rather not mutate on him either way

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makes a token so I think its fair, also a pinger

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is just really good for mana and mill, just unfortunate that its a human

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is simply one of my lands, its kinda the only reason its here ngl (extra removal is nice

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I cant defend this one, its just a pinger and could go

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when I first started mutate (and first started playing actively) I got disgusted looks and active threats when I mutated onto a cheap hexproof creature with [[Ghidorah, king of the cosmos]]

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Legendary Creature — Beast Elemental Dinosaur
Mutate mana3manargmanaumanau (If you cast this spell for its mutate cost, put it over or under target non-Human creature you own. They mutate into the creature on top plus all abilities from under it.)
Flying, trample
Whenever this creature mutates, exile cards from the top of your library until you exile a nonland permanent card. Put that card onto the battlefield or into your hand.
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so I had removed them and didnt think about adding them to any mutate lists

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but like, I dont even play with those people anymore so I should add some back in fr

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if you want to mutate as early as the mana3 drop mark, will need lower cost creatures. or the other way around is to go big

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I could see replacing fain and cutthroat, but im unsure about the other ones I listed above

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exile cards from the top of your library until you exile X permanent cards i think either i missed something or my vision is very different from yours. by having big drops it increase the value of potential things to cheat out. The deck should have more instant and sorcery though in the case you listed, because you dodge all those non permanent spells anyways. The non-permanent cards will be the lower curve early drops

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i too thought of heartless summoning but i didnt mention it because it will kill some of the current "combo" in the deck by removing the drain creature almost instantly

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otherwise, i think it is great for the cost reduction "ramp" for heavy creature deck

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i really like the draw and hexproof part that works with general mutate. Although i am not too sure which part will this deck be focusing on. I am leaning toward more combowie and aristrocrats

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so the commander is more on the side of a "back up" plan when the creatures you need didnt stay around

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kinda like a living death in the commander zone

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dredge in general is broken; in any format it runs in

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is there a new zulaport that isnt human?

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skull prophet comes with mill and can tap for mana, so i dont mind that human at all. apprentice is basically a better zulaport as well in this case. the extra creature that is also a non human makes up for it

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illuna seems like a fun top-deck gambling deck

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the draw is still the main course and its really good for 2 mana

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probably just slightly weaker than [[up the beanstalk]]?

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love beanstalk

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[[$up the beanstalk]] which shouldnt be too expensive now that it is banned

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lol

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dirt cheap i need more copies

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it got banned in a format I think somewhat recently

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the deck i used to run it in was lowkey GC-less b3. but it can steal my opponents spells so it can go against high power too

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yeah

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the one (format) that plays it

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commander can play anything so it is less seen

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if you find a build and have 2 toughness combos

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i can see heartless summoning being an absolute gem

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until then, it kills too many things so it is a bit hard to fit

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need to know where the deck is going to focus on primary and secondary game plan

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i havent finished my, but my is all about getting basically the entire grave back to the field as long as i can cast my commander

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everything is 0 power in general and gets big only on board

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then some loops and recursion + consistent ramp to rinse and repeat

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need lot of testing to get the right card ratio

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no counter play if i get farewelle'ed

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When a creature mutated with Undying dies, the entire mutated pile comes back to the battlefield as separate creatures, each with a +1/+1 counter. Undying's trigger applies to the entire pile, resulting in each creature being returned individually.

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OH BUUUUUUUUUT Instead of Heartless Summoning, we can use [[Dazzling Theater]] if we're going down the token route

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Enchantment — Room
Creature spells you cast have convoke. (Your creatures can help cast those spells. Each creature you tap while casting a creature spell pays for mana1 or one mana of that creature's color.)
(You may cast either half. That door unlocks on the battlefield. As a sorcery, you may pay the mana cost of a locked door to unlock it.)

Prop Room mana2manaw
Enchantment — Room
Untap each creature you control during each other player's untap step.
(You may cast either half. That door unlocks on the battlefield. As a sorcery, you may pay the mana cost of a locked door to unlock it.)

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convoke will reduce the mutate cost!

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that feels much stronger

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just need to look up their name

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there is the old version with multiple art (but all dirt cheap) and the legendary from 40k aritfact precon

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not as broken/ combowie as soultrader but the price justify it imo

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my exception is the rakdos colour cards, where i am willing to invest more into upward of $5-7 per card

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oh wow he's gone up a fair bit

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😭

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he? i'm not sure if Six has a gender

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yeah its a nice one

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could be a she for all i care

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creatures are neutral imo

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I mean, that thing has had more reprints than lightning bolt

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actually, that might not be true

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[[$six]]

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[[!six]]

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well I'm not going to suggest [[Survival of the Fittest]] is price is a concern XD

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not enough boobies six is not she confirmed

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but Tree 🤔 and mother nature

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this is getting off topic

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idk whats OP's budget

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i think the initial look at the deck is basically

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2-3 part of the deck

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all doing seperate things

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if it is like 1.5, i can let it go

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having at least one thing you can mutate onto by turn 3 or later is important even if a human is in the opening hand

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game

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i got the blue kraken battle to flip and its the opposite (non creature spell)

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i do want a unique convoke deck

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white go wide makes up for it nicely as a form of ramp

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idk how much we care about the hexproof side of things like [[silhana ledgewalker]]

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it's pretty slow TBH

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so I'd suggest making it with the intention of just playing it in B3 pods

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once it gets going though, you can just loop infinite mana and infinite mutate

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to be fair, mutate for the most part is super slow, I got my ghidorah deck beating in the 4s, but thats just because I put some crazy solid card in there (and also a free etali is never bad)

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im in the middle of something but ill check everything else in just a minute after I finish

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i did the cat dino one, it has loops and spell slinging so speed wasnt a problem with that one

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but in general, mana cost is high

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Yeah the big challenge I'm finding is that most of the mutate things are expensive, so by the time we're mutating off, it's turn 4 at least.

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which is why i believe this commander is just there to sit in the commander zone

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My Vadrok deck is VERY out of date, but that's the fastest I've been able to make a mutate deck

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until the grave is ready

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Yeah, when it is ready, being able to loop [[Sidisi, Undead Vizier]] is crazy strong

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i am disappointed

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I don't have the convoke enchantment unlocked in Arena, I'm thinking that would be exceptionally stronger

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most of Vadrok is blue / white. It's one of the very few spells that require 2 red pips

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CR - Rule 115.7a

115.7a If an effect allows a player to “change the target(s)” of a spell or ability, each target can be changed only to another legal target. If a target can’t be changed to another legal target, the original target is unchanged, even if the original target is itself illegal by then. If all the targets aren’t changed to other legal targets, none of them are changed.

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hmmm

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that's interesting

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the mutate shenaigans

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I was just using [[Mystic Reflection]]

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that's very interesting, normally I'd have a fair number of creatures on the battlefield though

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basically an infinitely high stack of THICK vadrok on the table

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having just 1 creature is asking for an edict effect

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no

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you only reselect target on your opponents stuff

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it doesnt reselect on your things

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but there is nothing to select so it stays on your original target

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if you control 10 creatures or 1

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I'm not sure if having just 1 would make you randomly select something you own

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it doenst matter

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just need to reread chiefs kill

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kiss

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it may not be the best in terms of power

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but it is infinite cast and mutate triggers

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oh so if we don't have another target in the graveyard, we just draw the game

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tricky

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you dont draw

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you MAY

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vadrok is a may trigger

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oh so it is, it's been a long time since I played it, people didn't like the 30 minute turns XD

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i played the deck with [[possibility storm]] as always

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Enchantment
Whenever a player casts a spell from their hand, that player exiles it, then exiles cards from the top of their library until they exile a card that shares a card type with it. That player may cast that card without paying its mana cost. Then they put all cards exiled with this enchantment on the bottom of their library in a random order.

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No.

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so i cant say its the most likeable deck

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for my opponents

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Possibility storm is extremely boring to play against

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my was jank storm

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it just massively extends games

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i had battles in the 99

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and thousand year storm

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it s usually not the biggest problem in terms of game length because

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it only stays on board for so long

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you can say, i am the problem for bringing those into the game [[fate shared]]

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Oh, Vadrok can use both convoke enablers...

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Ah, Chef's Kiss isn't on Arena

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shame