its a 4 mana slow reanimate
#REVERSED! (EDH) Assistance!
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deft belfry
and you dont have room for [[death of the dead]] etc
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deft belfry
[[dance of the dead]]
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Enchantment — Aura
Enchant creature card in a graveyard
When this Aura enters, if it's on the battlefield, it loses "enchant creature card in a graveyard" and gains "enchant creature put onto the battlefield with this Aura." Put enchanted creature card onto the battlefield tapped under your control and attach this Aura to it. When this Aura leaves the battlefield, that creature's controller sacrifices it.
Enchanted creature gets +1/+1 and doesn't untap during its controller's untap step.
At the beginning of the upkeep of enchanted creature's controller, that player may pay 
. If the player does, untap that creature.
deft belfry
did you add arcane signet
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not yet
deft belfry
cut inti
deft belfry
[[dread return]] limited target, might be redundant. havent goldfish just a guess
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[[smile at death]] too
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deft belfry
can still cut eviscerator's
yes thats a cut for the draw
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[[dread return]] limited target, might be redundant. havent goldfish just a gues...
fair. this is just my pet card tbh xD but could be cut yes
deft belfry
i will keep smile at death for now to see where the curve is at
deft belfry
fair. this is just my pet card tbh xD but could be cut yes
make sense, will leave that for last
upper ember
[[thrilling discovery]] comes in for it maybe?
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deft belfry
oh yeah thats the one
upper ember
also, on arena [[fury]] was really nice for removal, but late game not so much
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deft belfry
not sure, dont see it often, multiplayer you re losing lot of card advantage
upper ember
[[living death]] could also be fun, but idk how likely I'll be to cast it
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upper ember
not sure, dont see it often, multiplayer you re losing lot of card advantage
fair fair
upper ember
[[living death]] could also be fun, but idk how likely I'll be to cast it
so maybe a cut here
deft belfry
if you want small value and not playing grave hate as basic as [[bojuka bog]] it maybe a cut
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Land
This land enters tapped.
When this land enters, exile target player's graveyard.
: Add .
deft belfry
i run it a lot since ilike high cost cards
and it doubles up as my board wipe
with a deck that focus on keeping terra out
its not worth the risk to top deck living dead
holding it in hand means its a card you either cant play or not ready to use, and then put commander in grave next time it dies... overall lot of risk and telepathic
i mean telegraphic
oh lol how did i forget the most basic white draw
upper ember
so, a cut? for graveyeard hate I have the MFDC guy
deft belfry
[[tocasia welcome]][[welcoming vampire]]
deft belfry
so, a cut? for graveyeard hate I have the MFDC guy
sideboard living dead
going to grab a bite, goldfish some more and get the right mana each time
upper ember
https://scryfall.com/card/tdc/140/welcoming-vampire
I think this might be better since it's a creature
and it's got 18 hits
what about [[enduring innocence]]? same thing but it can come back as enchantment
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upper ember
also, thoughts on [[ripples of undeath]]? (I know you're eating, it's just for me not to forget)
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Enchantment
At the beginning of your first main phase, mill three cards. Then you may pay and 3 life. If you do, put a card from among those cards into your hand.
As the monster lay dying, it stared into the eyes of the human who slew it. Decades later, it has yet to break its gaze.
upper ember
rough
also unsure about [[enduring courage]]. It's nice because it gives haste and can come back as an enchantment
shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
what about [[enduring innocence]]? same thing but it can come back as enchantmen...
less budget friendly same thing, i like tocasia also because you can dodge non creature removals
less eggs in the basket/cushioning
deft belfry
also, thoughts on [[ripples of undeath]]? (I know you're eating, it's just for m...
again higher budget but this is basically a generic card that fits all self mill deck [[$ripple of undeath]] hate that powercreep set. i would consider if its a card iwant even if i take apart terra and build other decks; it is auto include in B3+ grave synergy
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deft belfry
otherwise i dont even consider $6 worth a card i will only play one or twice
upper ember
again higher budget but this is basically a generic card that fits all self mill...
ah I see makes sense
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less eggs in the basket/cushioning
I see
deft belfry
https://scryfall.com/card/dsk/133/enduring-courage
meh to me, things you bring back arent attacking
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I'm doing the tags, idk if you can see them. I added some to the sideboard to see
upper ember
meh to me, things you bring back arent attacking
fair
deft belfry
i need to refresh to see completed tags, scryfall doesnt upgrade ir time
upper ember
I think I'm done
there's 5 im not sure where to put them
4 actually
mana (not ramp) and evasion seem very little but yeah
deft belfry
i thought eviscerator insight got cut
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1 tagged land
deft belfry
32 including that
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deft belfry
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that + 1 tagged + 3 mdfcs
deft belfry
thats not 36
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to the sideboard
deft belfry
[[!bedevil]] 🤔
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deft belfry
i hate those 3 cost ones when you have white for removing anything. harsh colour pips requirement
out of the removals i think thats one i would swap for other form of utility
15 is not a bad number in B3, in fact somewhat high, consider your recursive creatures like chupacabra
in B2, i run variations of [[despark]][[vanishing verse]]
deft belfry
in here i see that you have [[rite of oblivion]]
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Sorcery
As an additional cost to cast this spell, sacrifice a nonland permanent.
Exile target nonland permanent.
Flashback 
(You may cast this card from your graveyard for its flashback cost and any additional costs. Then exile it.)
Revenge is a circle without end.
upper ember
out of the removals i think thats one i would swap for other form of utility
maybe something to exile then?
or like a mana rock or something
deft belfry
or even more veggies just to make sure your main game plan is working well
yeah mana rock works too
i think your best curve is around 5 mana mark, where Terra is out, you got a set up piece to put creatures into the grave, and then combat dmg trigger reanimate
[[boros charm]][[rakdos charm]] are some of the lazy versatile cards i would run long before i consider bedevils
upper ember
that's a good idea
I feel like boros is probably more my strategy and rakdos more defensive
deft belfry
or just plain [[terminate]]
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upper ember
my thing was that it could hit multiple things, not just creatures
deft belfry
i do that over bedevil in my first rakdos deck
planeswalkers dont exist in a normal commander game
upper ember
if they get a graveyard hate piece, I want ways to deal with it
yeah not planeswalkers
deft belfry
i guess rakdos charm is good for you then
i like enchantment artifact removal in one
upper ember
so that removes the bedevil
still left with eviscerator's
and the 4 cards without tags
deft belfry
so my choice would probably be [[rip apart]] [[wear//tear]]
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Instant
Destroy target artifact.
Fuse (You may cast one or both halves of this card from your hand.)
Tear
Instant
Destroy target enchantment.
Fuse (You may cast one or both halves of this card from your hand.)
deft belfry
no tags is fine
upper ember
wear / tear, it's instant
deft belfry
just be aware of how to use those cards
upper ember
just be aware of how to use those cards
fair fair
deft belfry
i know lot of people dont run blood artist, imo its like a black staple
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and for eviscerator's? a mana rock or a land or something
deft belfry
the counterplay to boardwipes and target player receive all the hate
deft belfry
i was initially trying to swap eviscerator for thrilling discovery
deft belfry
sure why not
upper ember
but I'm still left with 1 to swap for dread xD
or eviscerator's, whichever one stays
deft belfry
is it at 99 cards?
upper ember
yeah if you take those 2
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but you said both were kinda limited in use
so I thought we could take both and add something better
deft belfry
was keeping dread for now as your pet card
deft belfry
i think you may end up cutting it down the line when you cant sac 3 creatures for the flash back
upper ember
yeah probably
deft belfry
but until then, its going to be a reaniamte at 4 mana
can shove in any utility creatures if got room in the 99
upper ember
might be better than 4 mana reanimate
deft belfry
instead of vicera seer, i am liking that thing from EoE the surveil one
deft belfry
[[umbral collar zealot]] i dont have a deck using it right now since i am running lot of janks
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deft belfry
in general its just a very nice sac engine and controlled top deck + self mill
upper ember
that's true
deft belfry
and 2 mana is like a free slot in most part of the game, no overlap with 99% of commanders
deft belfry
lunch time for me 👋
upper ember
all good mate, thanks for all the help!
deft belfry
np, will be around this week
upper ember
I'll test it out when I have some time and let you know how it goes!
deft belfry
👌
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Legendary Artifact — Equipment
During your turn, equipped creature has hexproof and can't be blocked.
Whenever equipped creature attacks alone, you draw a card and you lose 1 life.
Equip Halfling (: Attach to target Halfling you control. Equip only as a sorcery.)
Equip 
(: Attach to target creature you control. Equip only as a sorcery.)
wicked gust
Happy?!
deft belfry
[[death spark]]
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Instant
Death Spark deals 1 damage to any target.
At the beginning of your upkeep, if this card is in your graveyard with a creature card directly above it, you may pay . If you do, return this card to your hand.
wicked gust
I mean I suppose but you seem so adamant on not running it, but I see why
cold quartz
after another b4 game today, yeah ranger captain and [[exhibition tidecaller]] go hard
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deft belfry
I mean I suppose but you seem so adamant on not running it, but I see why
i hardly talked about fire and ice this time around tho Xp
[[range captain]]
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deft belfry
ah tutor for combo piece
deft belfry
[[$ranger captain]]
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deft belfry
noob, you dont have the most expensive one
wicked gust
I bought a bb of mh1 back in thr day
Got all the goodies
Like og wrenn and six
[[$wrenn and six]]
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wicked gust
Shame
deft belfry
idr what i got from any modern pack i ever bought but i know it was shit
[[!wren and six]]
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wicked gust
[[$Serra the benevolent]]
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wicked gust
Dang
deft belfry
not good in commander so idc about that card
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Legendary Creature — Elf Warrior
During your turn, Radha has first strike.
You may look at the top card of your library any time, and you may play lands from the top of your library.
: Radha gets +X/+X until end of turn, where X is the number of lands you control.
3/3
deft belfry
[[Serra the benevolent]]
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wicked gust
I'm half tempted to rebuild her
deft belfry
radha is a nice build around
i got tired of gruul since [[locus of rage]] was one of my first decks
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wicked gust
One sec I'll shwo you the og deck and the new one I made
deft belfry
over upgraded to the point of not having good match ups
wicked gust
I also been working on [[bumi unleashed]]
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deft belfry
i am in the middle of brewing a non paper deck from strix haven 2, trying to make the deck smooth with excava
not liking [[wing of gold]] too much
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deft belfry
[[on wings of gold]] wtf
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deft belfry
even [[relic retriever]] really need commander to start doing things
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Creature — Spirit Monkey
First strike
At the beginning of each end step, if a card left your graveyard this turn, create a Treasure token. (It's an artifact with ", Sacrifice this token: Add one mana of any color.")
Students working in the field for the first time learn the benefits of small, agile spirit statues over large, strong ones.
2/1
deft belfry
problem is excava doesnt make tokens
wicked gust
Yes needs a lot of cuts
deft belfry
I did read a quick Premiere for what some of those things means and the idea behind it
[[!skarrg the rage pits]] thats one i dont get to see often
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deft belfry
[[!garruk uprising]] is probably missing all the triggers
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deft belfry
10 creatures works with it, 2 especially has 4+power tokens
[[!return to nature]] got powercreeped
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deft belfry
third mode also draws a card
ah i see it right beside
but for that reason i would probably not play return to nature, over like the mh3 one or some other utility
esp if it can help with landfall
why no more [[horn of greed]] in the 2026 version?
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wicked gust
Idr
wicked gust
[[!skarrg the rage pits]] thats one i dont get to see often
Ye those gruul lands to give a 1 time trample can be scary especially on a 1st strike potentially big commander
wicked gust
Also, would [[scroll rack]] be a good include for the Gilgamesh deck as a way to put equipments in my hand back on top of the deck so I don't need to cast or equip them?
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Artifact
, : Exile any number of cards from your hand face down. Put that many cards from the top of your library into your hand. Then look at the exiled cards and put them on top of your library in any order.
deft belfry
ehhh
i think it works but not for that reason
its card selection without card advantage but turns it into card advantage with gilgamesh
if oyu know forsure what you want on the top and is now in your hand
it makes a good swap
but without knowing the top, it can also get you other equipment into your hand
marble cedar
ill ave a look up here
Yeah maybe 1 or 2 wouldnt be a bad idea
I have an inventors fair in a binder so it doesnt really count
wicked gust
but without knowing the top, it can also get you other equipment into your hand
I can easily combo it with the infamous [[sensei Divining top]]
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Artifact
: Look at the top three cards of your library, then put them back in any order.
: Draw a card, then put this artifact on top of its owner's library.
marble cedar
Ohhh I like a technomancer here
gloomy shadow
So is this like, you look at the decklist and offer advice or do we need a more specific focus?
upper ember
@deft belfry so we forgot to include a red MFDC. And it's power 2 and it gives recursion to an instant or sorcery [[Pinnacle Monk]]. I think it's worth including over [[Umbral Collar Zealot]]
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Creature — Djinn Monk
Prowess (Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, this creature gets +1/+1 until end of turn.)
When this creature enters, return target instant or sorcery card from your graveyard to your hand.
Narset brought the Jeskai djinn ancient wisdom and the promise to challenge the status quo.
2/2
Mystic Peak
Land
As this land enters, you may pay 3 life. If you don't, it enters tapped.
: Add .
"Fear not the fall. Fear never reaching the pinnacle." —Narset
deft belfry
So is this like, you look at the decklist and offer advice or do we need a more ...
up to you
focus question = focused answer
deft belfry
<@391063794387910656> so we forgot to include a red MFDC. And it's power 2 and i...
i usually dont include them, they are all like commander staples by "technicality" the same way every normal decks include lands
gloomy shadow
up to you
https://moxfield.com/decks/rxwBMWKoB0KFZXOtLNoUEQ
I'm trying to round this out to a good upper 3, low 4, so that people still want to play against it. Any suggestions? Recommendations?
wicked gust
https://moxfield.com/decks/KORCo4J-PkOWG3K057ZtiQ suggestions to cut for [[scroll rack]] and [[sensei top]] if they are worth it to manipulate weapons going back to the library for Gilgamesh?
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Artifact
, : Exile any number of cards from your hand face down. Put that many cards from the top of your library into your hand. Then look at the exiled cards and put them on top of your library in any order.
Artifact
: Look at the top three cards of your library, then put them back in any order.
: Draw a card, then put this artifact on top of its owner's library.
deft belfry
so best of 3 at the limit of 3 GCs?
limber radish
Hey you up for some brainstorming? I’ve been trying to brew a changeling type deck, but not the Ur-dragon one.
https://moxfield.com/decks/FhUTDbHYpUqadcXM2dK_pQ
heres where I ended up, a weird outlaw tribal deck. When first brewing it ended up being just a Rakdos infinite sac loop which I am bored of.
Anything you can think of to spice up the deck?
upper ember
i usually dont include them, they are all like commander staples by "technicalit...
ah I see
deft belfry
https://moxfield.com/decks/KORCo4J-PkOWG3K057ZtiQ suggestions to cut for [[scrol...
i wouldnt do divine top at all because it doesnt help with gilgamesh when it is just going to reveal 6 cards, its not a ponder where if you dont like your top 3, allows for a shuffle
oh cool i didnt know about [[!sanctuary blade]] first time
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wicked gust
i wouldnt do divine top at all because it doesnt help with gilgamesh when it is ...
Doesn't it combo with scroll rack? Isn't that a very popular combo?
wicked gust
oh cool i didnt know about [[!sanctuary blade]] first time
It's from the Ikoria precons
It's very perfect for a deck like Gilgamesh, should I even keep scroll rack?
deft belfry
Doesn't it combo with scroll rack? Isn't that a very popular combo?
well those two dont really combo unless you find something else
it sets up the very top, if you have enough cards to put back
but even if you get rid of your entire hand, i doubt you can put more than 3 cards away
wicked gust
Bro
deft belfry
sekazan at 5 mana
wicked gust
Mono red samurai are so far and few in between fuck off
Look at the damn changeling I had to use
wicked gust
Lol
But test runs did go pretty well, just had a lot of good equipment in hand
Also, shocker here I know
I'm trying to find a fun dimir commander
deft belfry
because at first i thought goro goro is bad but then we are just looking for samurai with even base stats
wicked gust
So far I had an idea [[vela night]] eldrazi tribal
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deft belfry
eeh, 6 mana is rough in dimir
wicked gust
because at first i thought goro goro is bad but then we are just looking for sam...
He makes dragons with modified stuff which is a good booster in power
deft belfry
yeah if youy have the mana to pay
verry late game thing, i just care a bout it being a 2 mana 2/2 here
wicked gust
Fair
I'm also trying to find a more fair mono red commander. My current one is brutal
Wins most games I play lol
deft belfry
i wish [[fumiko lowblood]] isnt mono red because thats an effect i would love in most of my games
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deft belfry
permant goad, i guess there is the background commander
wicked gust
Ikr?
She's barely been reprinted too, I own one only from her last print of Ikoria commanders
wicked gust
No [[Calamity galloping inferno]]
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wicked gust
I win most games with it
deft belfry
ahh
yeah your build was kinda maxed on the synergy optimization
but didnt goldfish enough to see if its good for b3 speed
wicked gust
deft belfry
at least i didnt
wicked gust
I wasnt even trying to lol
deft belfry
you used edhrec
deft belfry
oh so just card you own?
wicked gust
And ideas from other decks and other etb ltb I saw on scryfall
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wicked gust
A lot of personal choices like [[mysterious stranger]] [[ancient stone idol]] [[balor]] [[borderland Behemoth]]
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Artifact Creature — Golem
Flash
This spell costs less to cast for each attacking creature.
Trample
When this creature dies, create a 6/12 colorless Construct artifact creature token with trample.
12/12
wicked gust
[[gilgamesh weapon collector|FCA|13]]
That's godo and the game ender with [[Helm of host]]
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Legendary Artifact — Equipment
At the beginning of combat on your turn, create a token that's a copy of equipped creature, except the token isn't legendary. That token gains haste.
Equip 
Forged out of flowstone for the queen of Vesuva.
wicked gust
B2 allows 2 card infinites if the game goes on long enough
Which no real way to tutor in mono red...I rely on drawing into it
Least no tutor that isn't a GC
deft belfry
but 6 mana is like where you play your commander, i guess you can always put the self restriction of not grabing it for the combo win
it sucks how godo isnt a samurai himself
wicked gust
Ikr?
deft belfry
the old cards that are two creature type and mention a third type in its text confuses me
wicked gust
???
deft belfry
and then we get puns like wizard lizard
wicked gust
Ah
deft belfry
just a bunch of types on one card
wicked gust
That's the beauty of mtg
shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
cheap samurai but doesnt provide much
otherwise i think i would take away [[!sokenzan spellblade]] for being one of the worst ones
shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
but at least its a real samurai
even tho i dont expect the power buff to be a lot, it can be extra damage
with evasion
just lot hoops
oh nice, you did add war and peace
🥰 bad sword but its my prefered colour and balanced burn. + gain effect and bit of flavour
is there a sword you lowkey hate? i dislike F & F (FEAST AND FAMINE) for being too good and every deck can run it for mana ramp
wicked gust
I'm mono red I need jt lol
But I can cut it for a different weapon or just cut it to keep the creature count up
You were the one to suggest FF XD
deft belfry
[[pip boy 3000]] ever consider this? i think it has very flexible utility in general
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Artifact — Equipment
Whenever equipped creature attacks, choose one —
• Sort Inventory — Draw a card, then discard a card.
• Pick a Perk — Put a +1/+1 counter on that creature.
• Check Map — Untap up to two target lands.
Equip
wicked gust
Forge and Frontier not feast snd Famine
deft belfry
no i didnt suggest F&F it was in there already
wicked gust
It's in my mardu terra deck
deft belfry
ohhh
wicked gust
....hang on I KNOW you did lkl
deft belfry
right i forgot but
both
say F&F
i dislike feast and famine
not forge and frontier
deft belfry
feast and famine just stands out to me so much more for obvious reasons, yeah i know its not in
i remember the swords by pro colours rather than by name
wicked gust
I just not a fan of discard in mono red if I don't have ways to...use emm...[[daretti scrap]]
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deft belfry
well you have limited draw, discard used to be what red has to offer for a long time
its probably better than impulse draw in this deck at least
you dont gain card advantage but see more cards
btw is the intend for maze of ith to stop incoming attacks
you may like the flip one
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Artifact
, : Search your library for a basic land card, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle.
At the beginning of your end step, if you control seven or more lands, transform this artifact.
"Clearly, it indicates the aetheric azimuth of . . ." —Jace Beleren
Spires of Orazca
Land
(Transforms from Thaumatic Compass.)
: Add 
.
: Untap target attacking creature an opponent controls and remove it from combat.
". . . a cryptic objective." —Jace Beleren
deft belfry
nerfed slightly as it cannot target your own creature
but the card advantage is better than that red planeswalker
i run this in like boros to get more cards out of the deck, and if i dont need my basic i can discard it for other effects
with 7 lands it sort of become a maze of ith that taps for mana
not really ramp at that point but it assume you give up trying to get more lands
note that this transform does not untap itself
unlike draw, you will not thin out the equipment in the library
deft belfry
it keeps up tempo for sure
imo at its worse doing the same if not a superior [koth fire of resistance]] but i would keep both in if possible
wicked gust
I did add [[Secluded starforge]] fot shits and giggles
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Land
: Add .
, , Tap X untapped artifacts you control: Target creature gets +X/+0 until end of turn. Activate only as a sorcery.
, : Create a 2/2 colorless Robot artifact creature token.
The heat of a sun condensed into a forge.
deft belfry
[[koth fire of resistance]]
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deft belfry
I did add [[Secluded starforge]] fot shits and giggles
i like that add
colourless mana for utility is something almost all mono colour needs
wicked gust
I got it from a .50 cent random 2 rares from a new shop in Columbus I went to
deft belfry
if i am not 3 colours i would probably want [[scavenger ground]] in all of them
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Land — Desert
: Add .
, , Sacrifice a Desert: Exile all graveyards.
When the last scrap of flesh is scoured away, the Curse of Wandering ends. Then the dead may sleep.
wicked gust
I do too
deft belfry
[[$secluded stargorge]]
shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
how much is tax in your area
wicked gust
Varies
wicked gust
I think the other rare was [[enter the god eternal]]
shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
is that why you want dimir XD
wicked gust
No
deft belfry
right now i am sort of working on my own spellslinger [[hidetsugu and kairi]] that doesnt just infinitely clone for spells but i do want a few comboish line to go with
shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
pronouncthey them when there are literally more than one in the card
wicked gust
[[Umbris fear manifest]] is my current one and the deck is a barely modified baulders gate horror precon
shrewd zealotBOT
wicked gust
So
deft belfry
my favourite by far is [[marvo deep operative]] before marvel was cool
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wicked gust
He does look silly fun
deft belfry
i think dimir sits nicely at 4 mana commanders and 5 mana is still okay to make the cut
at 6 mana curve you are kinda playing the deck without getting commander out first
i love incentives but no clear build around
it surprises people what i can do with the build basically everytime
wicked gust
I just need1cut lom
deft belfry
https://moxfield.com/decks/rxwBMWKoB0KFZXOtLNoUEQ
I'm trying to round this out ...
okay...next one... may need bit more context, some tagging to do, and i think you dont need artifact ramp when oyu have green land ramp
deft belfry
I just need1cut lom
not doing automaton?
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Artifact — Equipment
Whenever equipped creature attacks, choose one —
• Sort Inventory — Draw a card, then discard a card.
• Pick a Perk — Put a +1/+1 counter on that creature.
• Check Map — Untap up to two target lands.
Equip
deft belfry
oh i was just asking for your opinion on that one
deft belfry
attack trigger is nice to guarantee but the value is small so it needs some turns to build up
yeah compass i do want for sure
i think pip boy biggest downside is not helping you cast commander
deft belfry
looking at 3 drops... i see [[ronin houndmaster]] or the other changeling
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deft belfry
hmmmm actually
wicked gust
I was thinking a high cmc equipment...
deft belfry
[[blacksmith talent]] seems worse?
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Enchantment — Class
(Gain the next level as a sorcery to add its ability.)
When this Class enters, create a colorless Equipment artifact token named Sword with "Equipped creature gets +1/+1" and equip .
: Level 2
At the beginning of combat on your turn, attach target Equipment you control to up to one target creature you control.
: Level 3
During your turn, equipped creatures you control have double strike and haste.
wicked gust
[[Embercleave]]
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Legendary Artifact — Equipment
Flash
This spell costs less to cast for each attacking creature you control.
When Embercleave enters, attach it to target creature you control.
Equipped creature gets +1/+1 and has double strike and trample.
Equip
deft belfry
i think embercleave is too good to cut in an equipment focused red deck, and if you dont cast it, its something you want to cheap out with commander, and if you dont equip with commander, it still auto equips
trample is the big part, so as long as you dont already have pro red
its good
i think its a little stronge than [[leyline axe]]
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Artifact — Equipment
If this card is in your opening hand, you may begin the game with it on the battlefield.
Equipped creature gets +1/+1 and has double strike and trample.
Equip (: Attach to target creature you control. Equip only as a sorcery.)
It awaits a worthy wielder.
deft belfry
if their cost are both free, then there are the exact same, the difference is basically the timing
double strike trample is scarier on board early on even with nothing to equip to
and the flash is what changes that since it becomes a combat trick
so if i ever want to cut that, axe would go before i go for embercleave
oh and i think one card i mentioned to you were [[furnace blast hellkite]]
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Artifact Creature — Dragon
Affinity for artifacts (This spell costs less to cast for each artifact you control.)
Flying
: This creature gets +1/+0 until end of turn.
Some mornings it wakes up determined to consume the red sun itself.
5/5
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deft belfry
ofc i dont think you have much room since its staying as a samurai deck, in my mind gilgamesh is more of
equipment cheat deck
@wicked gust so we good at 100 for now>? with talent cut, moving onto the other deck
deft belfry
guess i will make breakfast first
https://moxfield.com/decks/rxwBMWKoB0KFZXOtLNoUEQ too many rocks imo
deft belfry
https://www.reddit.com/r/mtgrules/comments/13zzgi4/zangiefmaarika_and_deathtouch/ just did a quick check and it confirms it, but there are hardly any deathtouch in the deck if matters.
there are actually quite some issues but all from the same core problem. from the card choice i dont think you understand some of the fundamental concepts of the commander format. This wont take long but once you know them it will flesh out the rest of the deck. and then i can show how i would build maarika differently @gloomy shadow
gloomy shadow
Honestly, I would appreciate it. I really haven't the foggiest how to build her and this is truthfully a mostly pillaged build.
deft belfry
mana pile, use green as your strength, ramp should cover fixing and not blindly. Also try to look for effect that do at least two things at once
if you are aimming for optimization one that stands out to me among the rest outside of land ramp is like
[[herd hierloom]]
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deft belfry
[[!herd heirloom]]
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deft belfry
fixes mana as long as you have green to begin with, restricted but every game there is a creature commander
afterward becomes draw and evasion
otherwise, even the classic [[rampant growth]] is in general better than artifact ramp
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deft belfry
creature ramp is fast... but if they dont fix your mana and doesnt really speed up your game plan, they are just risky mana dorks
and that s not even counting your own wipes that will destroy all of them
wips, is a easy one here since you can go damage, or destroy. [[!maarki gladiator]] will protect herself
deft belfry
ideally you do things similar to [[chandra's ignition]] to make the table lose both creatures and non creatures
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deft belfry
but i see that some cards will also hurt yourself so we will put off on that later
now onto the key problems i noticed
very obvious fight theme, not the only way to do it but is solid build around
some good card here and there but not really working together
auras, all share the downside of potentially two for one thus how unpopular they are in commander in general. not all of them are bad but when your theme is focused on killing creatures... why do you need more ways to get rid of creatures before they are even on the board? And are there going to be enough things left to kill? Those removals are very reactive and would only works against very niche match up where every deck is playing creature focus Timmy beat down
i dont think its the wrong direction since maarika take cares of basically all the non creature, just need to keep track of what you are doing and spread out the removal focus
Fight, again another undervalued mechanic for green creature removal, but because it has the potential to be two for 1 if not worse. The hidden cost is actually not keeping your card advantage
[[hard hitting question]] it works for what it does, but i think the logic is off here
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deft belfry
[[swords to plowshare]] white has this
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deft belfry
its instant, can react at last minute; doesnt require a creature under your control; a few pt of life usually isnt the deciding factor of the ultimate winner etc
and it get rid of something pretty much Permanently
destroy, doesnt. even though it has synergy with maarika, it is a very weak removal that isnt exactly worth a slot in the deck because it takes up room to not give the best result
its not fight so while you can get around other keywords abilities, it s really not offering that much
[[ram through]] stronger with burn damage but commander dont have natural trample. making it less likely. instant speed makes for part of its power.... sometimes
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deft belfry
[[phyrexian obilerator]] and those "bite" not fight effect doesnt work with other cards in the 99
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deft belfry
even if this fit, having quad 
can be rough in a 3 colour, green focused deck
poster child of sort in this fight theme deck [[foe razer regent]] it say fight alright and it gives this pseudo "enraged" type of buff, but a 7 drop 6/7 in green removal is kinda meh, esp when you already have red and black
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deft belfry
if you want to fight, [[druid's call]] for example gives much more value
gloomy shadow
So if I go to rebuild from the ground up, what do you recommend I focus on?
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deft belfry
how did you evaluate maarika
whats your play pattern and do your table get pissed or salty from constant removals
ah finally find the card i was thinkiing about, probably wont end up in here but its the oldschool version of this "fight payoff" [[!rite of passage]]
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deft belfry
nowadays we have spiderman [[!strength of will]]
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deft belfry
anyways slightly sidetracked, keep typing what you have in mind
gloomy shadow
My table certainly gets salty if it feels like they're being focused. But I also have a friend with an Anzrag deck so maybe it's time he gets what he puts out.
How do you mean "Evaluate?"
deft belfry
[[anzrag]] is that infinite combat loop one
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gloomy shadow
I want the deck to play true to the character in mind- constantly throwing hands
[[Anzrag the Quake-Mole]]
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Legendary Creature — Mole God
Whenever Anzrag becomes blocked, untap each creature you control. After this phase, there is an additional combat phase.
: Anzrag must be blocked each combat this turn if able.
His claws tear at the foundations of civilization.
8/4
deft belfry
okay it is the 8/4
deft belfry
My table certainly gets salty if it feels like they're being focused. But I also...
as in how powerful something is, its weakness what situation it works in your favour
5 mana, sort of slow but its a good spot in commander, especially with green land ramp, have assess to multi colour, the abilities it brings and how those things affet the game
if there are zero creature out, there is nothing for you to kill
if there are no non creature out, then killing creatures doesnt enable the second part
gloomy shadow
So I see Maarika as a very combat heavy deck, throwing a massive haymaker that forces people to consider carefully how to handle it or just take a massive swing to the face, threatening Commander Damage. It definitely seems like it would struggle against white decks that run things like Ghostly Prison, Sphere of Safety, etc, but having ONE big swing I can pay to get through and force them to have to make hard choices seems like the way I want her to roll
So not necessarily Voltron, but maybe Voltron adjacent.
deft belfry
so combat, since maarika doesnt die, the "blocking" is very much forced. it is giving somewhat of a choice to the derfending player but not really
power matters while toughness doesnt
and since maarika wants to or need to swing for it to happen, you wont be able to block on the crack back
and here is the thing maarki DOES NOT struggle against non creature decks
because the moment you can do excess damage to multiple creatures
its like a [[return to nature]] on repeat
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deft belfry
having maarika out is like [[austere command]] but only affect your opponents
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deft belfry
So I see Maarika as a very combat heavy deck, throwing a massive haymaker that f...
so power matters trample maybe your build
as for card choice, you need overlaps to reach the power you want; each card should do more than one thing at a time
you are playing with this [[fade from history]] style deck, resources denial throwing fist
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deft belfry
i like [[rampage of the clans]] more because of getting beaters
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deft belfry
[[goreclaw, terror of ]]
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Legendary Creature — Bear
Creature spells you cast with power 4 or greater cost less to cast.
Whenever Goreclaw attacks, each creature you control with power 4 or greater gets +1/+1 and gains trample until end of turn.
You don't want to know how she got that name.
4/3
deft belfry
trample power matters you can scryfall lot of search from similar things i am sure, this one pops up in my head since it
- ramp in one of the best way possible
- creature so it is good for most green decks, has more ways to punch through
- trample
very simple green card
not double pips also makes it easy to use in 3 colours
https://scryfall.com/search?q=o%3A"attack+each+combat+if+able"+id<GR&unique=cards&as=grid&order=usd
force combat
slightly offtheme? but gets the idea across
i like [[!curse of nightly hunt]][[!the akroan war]] and [[!grand melee]] especially
deft belfry
curse you know it is focusing down one person
grand melee is tougher since its symmetrical
but the idea is that now you completely remove that "choice" of what to block as they are forced to block with everything
you can kill everything, just one, however you spread the damage
[[kharn the betrayer]] fun card but i think it 's expensive
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deft belfry
[[invasion plans]] is a jank i bought to use as a way to "protect" my attacker by assigning all blocks to a single creature
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deft belfry
So not ***necessarily*** Voltron, but maybe Voltron adjacent.
as long as you dont have another win con beside maarika, the deck will probably become voltron win
i dont think this is anywhere near the best one but lot of things can get a similar payoff [[shessra death's whisper]]
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deft belfry
force block "removal" tribal with death payoff
[[berserker frenzy]] i only got to cast this once or twice, you may like this card
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deft belfry
but in terms of power level, i think all of those above mention are mostly in B2
maybe B3
deft belfry
So if I go to rebuild from the ground up, what do you recommend I focus on?
in case you are making a new one, just show me an somewhat unfinished version is fine, and group cards based on what they do. if you have to use the same copy of a card to make a rough estimate of that "type", do so
I usually like to start a deck with roughly 35 command tower for lazy filler sake. then fix it later
[[Arena]]
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Land
, : Tap target creature you control and target creature of an opponent's choice they control. Those creatures fight each other. (Each deals damage equal to its power to the other.)
deft belfry
if you have anything like this, dont count it into the mana base
yes, this land is errata'ed to fight
deft belfry
[[!fight rigging]]
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deft belfry
impulse 5 cast 1 for free is always weird unless you have a lot of good selection in the deck, but at the very least thematic
deft belfry
Hey you up for some brainstorming? I’ve been trying to brew a changeling type de...
all i see is a lot of changeling and rakdos doing the damage
acutally only 8 changeling creature and two non
- connection token
are you commited to vial smasher
limber radish
No
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limber radish
It does crime….
deft belfry
yeah etb blood artist
but the scaling is weak in a 120 life total across 3 opponents
you would need some big spells to make that damage significant
limber radish
I liked the idea that I had all these outlaws that also happened to be zombies or skeletons. And then all the pirates would do something….
I had a fever dream
deft belfry
what were the loops
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limber radish
Yup! Because 2 parts were a mercenary
deft belfry
i want to get a [[graywater's fixer]] so i can do like both that and [[the master multiplied]] in the 99
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Creature — Lizard Mercenary
Each outlaw creature card in your graveyard has encore 
, where X is its mana value. (Exile it and pay its encore cost: For each opponent, create a token copy that attacks that opponent this turn if able. They gain haste. Sacrifice them at the beginning of the next end step. Activate only as a sorcery.)
4/4
limber radish
oh nice to avoid the encore, and Master is an outlaw!
deft belfry
i think i did pick it up at my LGS but havent got time to edit the deck
yeah i did master as a commander for a bit before putting him in the 99
[[cloak and dagger]] was a nice protection so make sure one survives
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Kindred Artifact — Rogue Equipment
Equipped creature gets +2/+0 and has shroud. (It can't be the target of spells or abilities.)
Whenever a Rogue creature enters, you may attach this Equipment to it.
Equip
limber radish
I also tried this with [[olivia opulent outlaw]], but it was even less cohesive. I was leaning on random vampire synergy when the vampires weren't outlaws it was all wrong
deft belfry
and they take the cloak from each other to decide who gets to take it
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Legendary Creature — Vampire Assassin
Flying, lifelink
Whenever one or more outlaws you control deal combat damage to a player, create a Treasure token. (Assassins, Mercenaries, Pirates, Rogues, and Warlocks are outlaws.)
, Sacrifice two Treasures: Put two +1/+1 counters on each creature you control. Activate only as a sorcery.
3/3
deft belfry
yeah that one really dont care about "outlaws" that much, more of a i make treasure in mardu aggro
i had an idea around [[!mauhur uruk hai captain]] [[psychic paper]]
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Artifact — Equipment
As this Equipment becomes attached to a creature, choose a creature card name and a creature type.
Equipped creature has ward , it can't be blocked, and its name and creature type are the last chosen name and creature type.
Equip
limber radish
[[descendant's fury]] [[heirloom blade]] and [[pyre of heroes]] were the cool cards I was thinking because then if a changeling hits. Sac and get any creature, but it'd be fun for like an assassin to hit and jump to next assassin. Trying to upgrade essentially
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +3/+1.
Whenever equipped creature dies, you may reveal cards from the top of your library until you reveal a creature card that shares a creature type with it. Put that card into your hand and the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.
Equip
Artifact
, , Sacrifice a creature: Search your library for a creature card that shares a creature type with the sacrificed creature and has mana value equal to 1 plus that creature's mana value. Put that card onto the battlefield, then shuffle. Activate only as a sorcery.
deft belfry
so its like type changing army +1 counter matters
i think pyre is that super nerf to birthing pod, it became so hard to use
but if you pay a lot of attention to typing
you can do some crazy things with it
limber radish
yeah that was supposed to be the sweet tech to get Rakdos out. Just sac my 4 mana changeling and boom Rakdos the muscle
deft belfry
but it would still care about that stair case value even if you ignore the creature type entirely
[[!rakdos the muscle]]
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deft belfry
i think there are some nice demons or mercenary
the changeling. are jsut really weak for fillers when you dont have enough creatures in those types
thats the other thing about descendants fury
if you have selected few types
you can almost get the one you want
limber radish
like [[Gisa the hellraiser]] she is a warlock(outlaw), she buffs both zombies and skeletons, and then makes rogues. I wanted these multiple creature type matters cards
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Legendary Creature — Human Warlock
Ward—, Pay 2 life.
Skeletons and Zombies you control get +1/+1 and have menace.
Whenever you commit a crime, create two tapped 2/2 blue and black Zombie Rogue creature tokens. This ability triggers only once each turn. (Targeting opponents, anything they control, and/or cards in their graveyards is a crime.)
4/4
deft belfry
rather than a complete random small creature
i would go for just warlock or just mercenary to get those
limber radish
so maybe cut the changelings and go more in on only outlaws? and work on specific chains?
deft belfry
yeah i would try to find chains for those
and see what you end up with, changeling makes it harder to control
the biggest changeling is [[morophone boundless]] yet it is actually so restrictive in deck building
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Legendary Creature — Shapeshifter
Changeling (This card is every creature type.)
As Morophon enters, choose a creature type.
Spells of the chosen type you cast cost 
less to cast. This effect reduces only the amount of colored mana you pay.
Other creatures you control of the chosen type get +1/+1.
6/6
deft belfry
it rarely fits in the 99 and its like a filler for non existing tribal synergy
the irony
limber radish
My issue is that I want a deck that is like a Maskwood Nexus deck, but I'm purposefully refusing to put maskwood nexus because it feels like a cheat
deft belfry
yeah maskwood nexus is such a trap card for building around
its hard and nearly impossible to rely on a single card in the 99 yet it stands out so much for flavour reasons
"crime" was mentioned earlier, its also one of those, niche mechanics that dont expand too far from the set
so there are usually many ways to commit crime without having it in the commander zone
i should have bbought [[forsaken miner]] while it was at the lowest
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Creature — Skeleton Rogue
This creature can't block.
Whenever you commit a crime, you may pay . If you do, return this card from your graveyard to the battlefield. (Targeting opponents, anything they control, and/or cards in their graveyards is a crime.)
2/2
deft belfry
even though i dont plan on comboing with it, its something that wont decrease in value as more cards comes out
loops easily with altar sac for infinite etb+ deathtrigger
oh, both versions of your deck only has 4 cards that say crime on it
3 of them are once per turn at best
limber radish
yeah there actually aren't a lot of crime cards in Rakdos colors
deft belfry
yeah i did golgari crime for the lolz
limber radish
or not outlaw related ones
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deft belfry
[[!freestrider lookout]] is the dream
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limber radish
wow is:outlaw t:demon is sad
deft belfry
at least those are all good demons
some demons are so bad
but no 4 cmc
you would need mercenary 4cmc
[[cateran kidnappers]] XD
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Creature — Human Mercenary
, : Search your library for a Mercenary permanent card with mana value 3 or less, put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle.
Recruits aren't always volunteers.
4/2
deft belfry
[[rathi assassin]] oh nice they are humans
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Creature — Phyrexian Zombie Mercenary Assassin
, : Destroy target tapped nonblack creature.
, : Search your library for a Mercenary permanent card with mana value 3 or less, put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle.
2/2
limber radish
I keep getting side tracked within the outlaws... like do i focus on Mercenaries? Rogues? Assassins? overarching types like Goblin Vampire Zombie?
I feel like the answer is don't focus?>
[[wasteland raider]] is the one!
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Creature — Human Mercenary
Squad (As an additional cost to cast this spell, you may pay any number of times. When this creature enters, create that many tokens that are copies of it.)
When this creature enters, each player sacrifices a creature of their choice.
Honor means nothing. Survival means everything.
4/3
deft belfry
you look at each type at a time to narrow it down
or refine the search with a pin point ability you want
or tagger
the thing you get from pyre dont really matters as long as you get to where you want it
[[moggcatcher]] can find any changeling if you end up getting right one
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Creature — Human Mercenary
, : Search your library for a Goblin permanent card, put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle.
"They're not worth much, but they're easy to catch."
2/2
deft belfry
screen shots for self reminder
wicked gust
Wtf?
deft belfry
its just how i keep track of what does what in a piles
that a bunch of goading "creature removal" but not exactly working along side with the game plan etc
repeatable effect but is somewhat overly redundant
not making use of the effect for the interaction that is doing what it is suppose to do
some are fine to stay but would prefer upgrade/side grade if possible
phyrexian arena at the top is just an example of the base line for draws "3 mana 1 card each turn"
where as green can give like [[hunter's insight]] red has [[expedited inheritence]] for example
deft belfry
my report from LGS tonight, barely won on my last point of life after getting land screw for 3 early turns. the key card was small winnies [[!horn of gondor]] in my weird jank tribal using Omo queen of vesuva
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deft belfry
not the proudest game but i did all the unplayable mechanics that game and contributed
limber radish
Is that a weird tribal deck? Drop the list
deft belfry
[[omo vesuva queen]] this one its a very bad jank list lol and i didnt put it online yet, about to test it a few more games before taking it apart, then i will make a record of it
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deft belfry
i didnt get the precon, and not really focusing on mana base, some cards like [[waiting in the weed]]
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deft belfry
[[worldly counsel]] overall, it a bit of everything matters with random of everything
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deft belfry
so it doesnt really have a list, its just lot of cards that would never see played in commander used in a game that are barely identify to be simic
storm fox
https://moxfield.com/decks/VAyFr3GkF0qvgdOG6REb0w
this is what my current version of lorehold looks like,
i was wondering would it be worth it to add a anger somewhere?
storm fox
not for the commander but more like a finnisher yeah
deft belfry
but only matters if you get them on your turn
if you get them on a miracle on other players turn
then haste doesnt matter
storm fox
boots are there for the protection cus i expect lorehold himself to get a bunch of hate
deft belfry
yeah
problem is that i feel like the redundancy may get a bit high, so it depends on what you remove for group haste
storm fox
tbh, probably storm kiln
he's feeling kinda clunky here
somehow
being a 4 drop creature that does the same job as a bunch of the artifacts that are out for cheaper
deft belfry
fair since that one works with multiple spells in a turn rather than 1 spell per turn
[[!surge to victory]] i want to find this card but i keep forgetting to look through my LGS inventory
[[overwhelming victory]] i want to play this in some days too
deft belfry
i guess i like gruul a lot 😅
surge is missing that evasion by itself, how well does it play out? i guess you have like 8 cmc cards so the buff alone is good
oh and mini nombo with [[!mizzix's mastery]] just saw that now
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deft belfry
not that the overload matters since it is probably winning the game on the spot
i see a lot of basics, did you considered [[terrain generator]]?
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Land
: Add .
, : You may put a basic land card from your hand onto the battlefield tapped.
foggy sorrel
Building [[lavinia, azorius renegade]] as a $145-$165 budget b4 deck that I’ll upgrade eventually. Currently figuring out play patterns and win cons before I fully build it. I know I can win by lock with [[knowledge pool]] and [[omen machine]], and I’ll want a lot of interaction and stax but that’s about where my planning so far ends
foggy sorrel
I won’t have the money for mox or gemstone or anything so commander won’t be a turn 1 play afaik
fickle edge
deft belfry
so sort of a low budget restriction high power/mechanically optimized control? deck
deft belfry
$145 is
how much in CAD
$198 so 200
XD this budget seems rough since the deck is already showing me $271.5 including cards you own
i thought of [[vexing baulbing
[[vexing bauble]]
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Artifact
Whenever a player casts a spell, if no mana was spent to cast it, counter that spell.
, , Sacrifice this artifact: Draw a card.
No one knew who invented it. No one knew its purpose. All anyone knew was they didn't like being anywhere near it.
deft belfry
its very much what lavinia do but in case she got removed and then you have to wait for a full turn rotation
with artifact focus maybe [[$oswalk fiddlebender]]
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deft belfry
around $2for the aritfact birthing pod
if that helps with getting knowledge pool out
but currently no 5 cmc artifact in the deck
and i am sure [[$arcum dagsson]] is expensive
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foggy sorrel
It’s probably going to have to be more like $175
I may be able to get a couple of the cards at an LGs with store credit?
I go back there Wednesday and I’ll see
deft belfry
yeah, the budget restriction seems too harsh; fast mana/good mana base and the core of the deck are all very expensive
i wonder if you need stifle at some point too to take care off what lavinia doesnt do
because against "meta" high power decks that tries to cheat things out
no free spells and need high land count
or an extra step like reanimate a high cmc creature until you get those anti grave stuff
or landfalls into big spells
so you basically have to somewhat* stall the table and then disrupt whatever is coming
[[$grand arbiter asgustin]]
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deft belfry
nope too high
foggy sorrel
Shutting down Kinnan and vivi’s activated abilities is most important stax thing for me rn cause those are the only decks I consistently face
deft belfry
ah, so its a meta pick
B4 you see them already? not even Cedh?
personally i love [[rug of smoothering]] in any of my decks
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deft belfry
but abilities dodges it
foggy sorrel
I have one friend with a Vivi and a Kinnan, both aren’t built with much meta game, another friend has a Vivi he’d built to be bad on purpose but it still stomps everything I’ve built cause it’s fucking Vivi
deft belfry
brainstorm is bad cantrip
may end up getting swapped out
reminds me how i wanted to build a bad Nadu with targetless interactions in the entire deck
foggy sorrel
First friend hasn’t even built Vivi yet, they have the cards but they don’t have anyone to play it against lol
They pulled that one bundle Vivi and it graded a 10
deft belfry
i now name it "reverse hexproof nadu"
wow
so time to play it
and turn it into 5
is mana leak another meta pick
[[null elemental blast]]
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foggy sorrel
[[mana leak]]
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Instant
Counter target spell unless its controller pays .
The fatal flaw in every plan is the assumption that you know more than your enemy.
deft belfry
staple meta pick
foggy sorrel
Eating with parents rn so don’t have the list in front of me
deft belfry
sol ring mana counter target commander with null feels bad if its not high power, i think its perfectly justify here
NP, enjoy your food i will be eating too in like 5 mins
i dont see mana leak in any normal list but in here it makes sense
i think i run [[arcane denail]] whenever possible
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deft belfry
[[arcane denial]]
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deft belfry
and was it you that say you hate [[offer you cant refuse]]
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Instant
Counter target noncreature spell. Its controller creates two Treasure tokens. (They're artifacts with ", Sacrifice this token: Add one mana of any color.")
"I think you'll find my terms quite agreeable, if you know what's good for you."
deft belfry
or someone else with a green name
as much as i hate to have all those instant spells in a deck that doesnt have a way to gain value from them [[archmage emeritus]] etc
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deft belfry
i guess B4 meta decks its not like you can put in those value engines either
tapping out after a 4 mana cast is bad
so i will admit idk the exact and ideal card choices for you but i think this type of deck is more about your ratio of disrupt vs stall and draw vs full lock-down
this land count seems too high right now
foggy sorrel
this land count seems too high right now
I agree
deft belfry
may want ways to search for lands to get a well timed [[petrified hamlet]]
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Land
When this land enters, choose a land card name.
Activated abilities of sources with the chosen name can't be activated unless they're mana abilities.
Lands with the chosen name have ": Add ."
: Add .
foggy sorrel
[[Exploration map]]
shrewd zealotBOT
foggy sorrel
No
deft belfry
scope
foggy sorrel
Forgot its name
foggy sorrel
If it remains in budget it’s probably searching for urzas over hamlet
deft belfry
i will keep this at the back of my mind and see if i have it figured out, i think online will have more lavinia B4 decks to get an idea how much of each thing you may need even if you cant use the expensive mana drain counterspells options
foggy sorrel
My group doesn’t play all that many utility lands rn
deft belfry
oh yeah urza's takes up so much of the budget lol
when i consider pathway to be too expensive in general lol
anyways gtg eat 👋
🏃
foggy sorrel
Aight thx
wicked gust
so
i did a proper game with the phoenix quintorius deck...it did really well, when my stuff was left alone but i could of won a turn sooner fi there wasnt a board wipe and i didnt have protection, honestly it is good, i like it
deft belfry
yeah, i like the part where it covers the main weakness of having no blockers as you create spirits non stop with Phoenix coming back from the ashes
"From the ashes of the graveyard, rise again to fight! Return to the field, [Monster Name]!"
@wicked gust
the arc v one was an awful anime so unless no one knows it reference or you want to rage bait, dont say that one
i doubt most commander players since yugioh arc v tho
it has an atrocious ending of the era
deft belfry
Aight thx
the side board drannith would solve lot of problems XD but its so pricey
i think with a lower budget, it sort of comes down to quantity vs quality where you need a lot more extra pieces to stop the table from doing what they want
buts its awkward to build around other people's deck instead of your own as you are not always sure what you need, its like your win con is a 6 drop in the 99 similar to [[pharaoh's statue]]
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Legendary Artifact
Spells your opponents cast cost more to cast.
At the beginning of your end step, each opponent loses 1 life.
A dictator's infuriating smirk, an affront to everything Ravnica stood for.
deft belfry
it doesnt help you in anyways, it cost a lot of mana so you essentially pass a big mana turn. its trigger is too slow but will eventually end the game. yet it has so much presence because of the double grand arbiter cost increase is out
i would not want to see this card in my opening hand, but would need it at some point in order to secure a win. yet there are no real ways to build around it
playing blue white without their respective game changers will nerf you a lot for consistency and power
i guess you can try [[steal enchantment]] for rhystic and smoothering
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deft belfry
idk what is do with con sphinx other than just raw removal or ...
is [[psychic possession]] worth the risk?
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deft belfry
unrelated but also saw [[solitary confinement]] in my search
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deft belfry
i think farewell will belong in the deck as well
look for as many cheap individual cards that fits the B4 power level
wicked gust
the arc v one was an awful anime so unless no one knows it reference or you want...
Ffs lol
I do have a question for you. Want to help me with a silly deck idea I've had/wanted to do for a while? Combine my 2 fav things so far in magic. Chandra tribal, and my fav all time card [[klothys god of]]
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Legendary Enchantment Creature — God
Indestructible
As long as your devotion to red and green is less than seven, Klothys isn't a creature.
At the beginning of your first main phase, exile target card from a graveyard. If it was a land card, add or . Otherwise, you gain 2 life and Klothys deals 2 damage to each opponent.
4/5
deft belfry
chandra tribal? but no Leori sparktouched hunter]] then?
wicked gust
wicked gust
chandra tribal? but no Leori sparktouched hunter]] then?
I played around with it, but sadly didn't work
What's funny is i played 1 game with this deck like a year ago, and won, amd haven't touched it since as I got other ideas and was in the middle of a huge destiny 2 grind
But I feel it can be refined or improved upon
The general idea is group slug/burn over time and ramp like crazy to big threats quickly
deft belfry
how many chandras do you have
i am currently working on [[mila craf companion]] irl with the attempt to make super friends fun (not just for me but for the table) little success but its getting somewhere
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Legendary Creature — Fox
Whenever an opponent attacks one or more planeswalkers you control, put a loyalty counter on each planeswalker you control.
Whenever a permanent you control becomes the target of a spell or ability an opponent controls, you may draw a card.
2/3
Lukka, Wayward Bonder
Legendary Planeswalker — Lukka
+1: You may discard a card. If you do, draw a card. If a creature card was discarded this way, draw two cards instead.
−2: Return target creature card from your graveyard to the battlefield. It gains haste. Exile it at the beginning of your next upkeep.
−7: You get an emblem with "Whenever a creature you control enters, it deals damage equal to its power to any target."
Loyalty: 5
wicked gust
how many chandras do you have
I did a fair bit of theory crafting and I only have 6 of the "good" ones
deft belfry
oh rip thats the problem
i think with a normal 99, (not like turbo/tutor etc) the minimum is over 10 to see one or two per game
back then when games are slow 2-3 board wipes you can see one per game
talking about like 12+ turns games half a decade ago
now i think if its not 10% 9/99 you will never see 1 unless you mull hard for it
12,15, in multiples of 3 are the good rule of thumb to get a decent of those types of cards, same as ramp
like a green deck that want T1 mana dork, T2 3cmc commander
would have exactly that many in the deck for optimization for example
as for tribal... its like 25-30+ for what creature type etc
foggy sorrel
buts its awkward to build around other people's deck instead of your own as you ...
Ye, very big change of pace in building and play patterns from other decks I’ve built
deft belfry
so i expect you to play a lot of the BAD chandras to make up for those numbers
if everyone sits around and do nothing, you know you are winning XD the moment someone gets extra lands into play....
i think having lavinia as the commander will force that turbo start
before you can play her
but that prediction could be off since i dont play enough B4
foggy sorrel
playing blue white without their respective game changers will nerf you a lot fo...
Am still in process of commissioning some stuff for proxies for xenagos so I may also buy rustic, remora, and tithe cause I think he sells those already made for cheap
deft belfry
they can also wait for the right moment and snipe as you pass to their turn in turn order
i hate keeping track of turn order or what other people are doing based on their hand
too much information overload
@wicked gust i was like 80% certain your favourite card was going to be lowkey boros with all those equipment tribal, elaborate
wicked gust
Lol
deft belfry
klothys is kinda doing tricky grave hate
thats not as straight forward as swinging
and i mentioned about the chandra count above ^
deft belfry
so i expect you to play a lot of the BAD chandras to make up for those numbers
around here
wicked gust
It was a card that did work at pre release and I always pulled it in a lot of random stuff, and I got a foil stargaze version from a collector pack from when I got the theors stargazing secret lair back when they did print on demand and due to it being delayed they gave me a collector pack of TBD, and again the only other God card from theros at the time had the stargazing art in it
So I have a bit of history with it
deft belfry
there is a crappy but easy to flip chandra too right
wicked gust
A creature one yes
wicked gust
Lol
deft belfry
i even have it in see-through penny sleeves, still cant draw it
wicked gust
I also just love the art of klothys
wicked gust
It was also the God I worshiped in a theros themed dnd game ,was a super fun campaign, even did a blind black mane leonin and named him calix
deft belfry
[[chandra heard of fire]] i am running this one in mila right now hoping i can get something out of it
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Legendary Planeswalker — Chandra
+1: Discard your hand, then exile the top three cards of your library. Until end of turn, you may play cards exiled this way.
+1: Chandra deals 2 damage to any target.
−9: Search your graveyard and library for any number of red instant and/or sorcery cards, exile them, then shuffle. You may cast them this turn. Add six .
Loyalty: 5
deft belfry
ultimate is irrelevant since its never getting there
if it gets there somehow i may just keep on using the +1 mode
[[!chandra's incinerator]] this card so good
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deft belfry
i had it in one build but never finished the deck for play testing
its basically a glass cannon 30 minute game deck
wicked gust
Exactly why I run it
deft belfry
[[embermaw hellion]] looks like bad
shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
[[torbran, fell red]]
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deft belfry
unless you really care about trample or the one less red pip
wicked gust
Idr why it's in there
deft belfry
[[mindcrank]] i dont think this has much synergy
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wicked gust
The burn
Klothys deals damage to all players
They all mill
It's loss of life
Plus the pings of all the chandras
deft belfry
so no synergy since you dont care about mill
wicked gust
I thought it be a good idea to make them loos resources as they get hit
deft belfry
[[compost]] if you meta game with this and mill black cards maybe
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deft belfry
yeah but it is somewhat indifferent
it sits there and mill when things happen
its not the primary plan of getting chandra out
so win more in this case
wicked gust
Fair
deft belfry
who knows maybe it can end up back in the deck, i am just trying to make room for more chandras so you can chandra while you chandra
rn, even though your commander wants to exile from grave, as long as you got your discard going on, you have enough things to exile and get that mana
or just hit people's fetch lands etc
thats why i dont think millcrank is necessary for that purpose
wicked gust
But curious what Chandra's do I add, I added some of the newer ones that wernt out at the time but ifk how good they be
deft belfry
[[!chandra's phoenix]] maybe the only time i see this in any commander decks lol
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deft belfry
But curious what Chandra's do I add, I added some of the newer ones that wernt o...
which
wicked gust
Semantics
deft belfry
oh btw, i pick up a HP [[!silent arbiter]] today i can do more broken things with no blockers now ;D
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