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deft belfry
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[[obsidian eye]]

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No card found for β€œobsidian eye”

deft belfry
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[[ophidian eye]]

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deft belfry
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vivi and ysholia got this card skyrocketed

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i dont want to sell my only copy tho

cold quartz
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havent ran into blue opposition yet but vs blue they seem necessary to pull off a win, at least the first 2, mindbreak is iffy because some combos arent from casting a bunch of spells so there could be a better choice there

deft belfry
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while the mana base probably dont care, just a quick mention of [[copy enchantment]] in case mirrormade is harder to use

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cold quartz
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3 mana for that seems kind of high when no one really plays around swinging with creatures

deft belfry
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thats not combat damage so its the same as tandem but at flash speed

cold quartz
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that is true blue can be hard to get to sometimes, copy an artifact can be really good though too with everyone running mox's and grim monolith etc

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ooooooh

deft belfry
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upside of tandem is that you dont have to cast those things in sequence

cold quartz
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i didnt even notice it wasnt combat damage

deft belfry
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aura you HAVE to wait for the creature to be on board

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and creature is easier to protection with things like displacer kitten

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where aura would fizzle if you do the same

cold quartz
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im not gonna lie, looking at the list with fresh eyes..i forget why i have dispacer kitten in here

deft belfry
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XD

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yeah i think you got lost in the countless combos

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sometimes i hear people say "i want to build this 'high power Bracket 4' deck... with like every combos in existent" and i am like "uuuuuuhuh"

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thats not how combo works since thats just a pile of "if i get the right two cards, i ... may... win"

cold quartz
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same as a run of the mill 3, keep that shit focused on like 1 thing

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yeah haha

deft belfry
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there are now 85 cards that gets in the way of getting the right 2 cards

cold quartz
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i think with displacer i was prolly just like oh that card is good xd

deft belfry
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and not counting your table trying to stop you

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displacer kittten got some crazy fun combos

cold quartz
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it does..i think the use in here would prolly be to replay artifacts that are tapped

deft belfry
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i avoided them when i had it in a deck with the exception of other fun cards like [[coveted jewel]]

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deft belfry
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at todays price i would never try to buy kitten

cold quartz
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oh yeah coveted is fun

deft belfry
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and for whatever rule/universe of magic, the cub is always stronger (by far) compare to their grown up form [[!displacer beast]]

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deft belfry
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i think you are in the right direct, just need the last touch to focus on what you want to get

deft belfry
cold quartz
deft belfry
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it used to be like 'it takes 4 [[little girls]] to trade with a Bear'

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cold quartz
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i still have no idea what would be the thing to replace displacer, that 4cmc draw, or another land

deft belfry
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or IT ONLY TAKES 4 OF THEM TO KILL A BEAR

cold quartz
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is this a magic joke im to gen z to understand

deft belfry
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is there a dramatic reversal combo or just with breach

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lil girl is just a Unset magic card where its half a mana for a .5/.5

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bear in magic are 2/2s

cold quartz
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no combo with it, for more interaction if needed or to play over the top of something

deft belfry
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where a human/soldier etc are 1/1

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ah so its just a ritual

cold quartz
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yeah essentially

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i noticed when breaching blue mana can be hard to come by so a way to untap lands for blue seems good

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but also i dont often have a ton of lands with all the rocks so maybe not as good as uaual

deft belfry
cold quartz
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ah yeah bears are always 2/2s i feel ya

deft belfry
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i thought you would do the icepter for infinite mana

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are you mid twenty?

cold quartz
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is that just a slot in or do i need another peice added to combo with it

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yeah 27

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[[isochron scepter]]

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cold quartz
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would need an untapper

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hmm

deft belfry
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it is a cast

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but best of it is when you dont combo with it

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you just put a repeatable counterspell on it

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#STAX

cold quartz
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yeah true, the tap to counterspell farie at home

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whatever its name is

deft belfry
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oh you meant [[glen elendra archamge]]

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deft belfry
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was [[!dovin hand of control]] in the deck the whole time or just added

cold quartz
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yeah that is true, sometimes its dead, in 1 of the games i played with the deck it did save my bacon stealing a black enchantment that gives a token, treasure and draw every time someone discarded a card when i was mass wheeling during a breach to get cards to the yard

cold quartz
deft belfry
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[[stromkiln artist]]

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cold quartz
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yeah i thought about it but i have that effect essentially in the command zone

deft belfry
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i guess dovin is a weird one for me, and i know i am bias toward it

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in the right match up, costing extra will get the job done

cold quartz
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yeah just the artifact part alone is game changing

deft belfry
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in the wrong scenario, it kinda does nothing

cold quartz
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since everyone is running like 20 rocks

deft belfry
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i guess B4 do have A LOT more artifact

cold quartz
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yeah rocks over lands in b4 πŸ˜›

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i dont quite understand why but i also havent faced MLD yet so πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ

deft belfry
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maybe you need that MLD vandal :p

deft belfry
cold quartz
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yeah thats funny hahaha

deft belfry
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its just not a very effective strategy

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like you said, its more rocks

cold quartz
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i thought about setting up the mana base to include moon

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but thats not me

deft belfry
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and its hard to turn land destruction into a solid and sure win

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hard to build toward

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not enough MLD cards for a focus theme

cold quartz
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yeah that makes sense

deft belfry
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even if we completely ignore how unfun it is

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B4 is competitive but its still want to be fun

cold quartz
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if anything im sure [[winter orb]] is prob way more common to run 1 offs

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deft belfry
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yeah those are more solid "MLD"

cold quartz
deft belfry
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whats the newer orb, only affect nonbasic was it

cold quartz
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oh i know what your talking about, no idea the name tho

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[[topor orb]] ?

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deft belfry
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[[bone upon a wind]] got a chance to play this yet? so fun to use

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deft belfry
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moon orb or something

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ahhh i remember

cold quartz
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no not yet, just there to do my combo over someone elses

deft belfry
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[[!winter moon]]

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cold quartz
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ahhh

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there it is

deft belfry
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borne in other brackets are just nice in general

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why is there green on the moon, are grass growing...

cold quartz
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i actually have never played it before

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not our moon?

deft belfry
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i doubt it will be used often

cold quartz
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or is that where rad came from πŸ€”

deft belfry
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too specific and hard to meta game

cold quartz
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yeah i really would like to fit in [[ranger captain of eros]] to tutor for one of the breach feeders

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deft belfry
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no idea coMmander horizon3 i dont care about htat set

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that thing is nice

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3 cmc in white feels so strong nowadays, i dont want to see those decks XD

cold quartz
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also maybe [[frantic search]] as its really card positive during breach with the new [[exhibition tidecaller]]

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deft belfry
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i am a noob when it comes to putting tutors in decks. i cant balance the number of tutors for B3

cold quartz
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yeah i balance it by just not having tutors in my 3s πŸ˜„

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hahaha got me there

deft belfry
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i like tutors in a way that challenge myself what i can get

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if i run good tutors, i make sure i dont have "good" cards to tutor for

cold quartz
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yeah i just dont like being able to always find the perfect answer in a b3 game

deft belfry
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tutor is only the best cards in the deck

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so if all my cards are bad i am just looking for the bare minimal to deal with the current situation

cold quartz
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whether its a wipe, artifact destruction etc, if i ran tutors in some of my 3s i would prolly have like a 50% winrate and feel like a jerk

deft belfry
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i be like, i tutor so now i cant win

cold quartz
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i cant type today aparently

deft belfry
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well, i gave away my winning position because i wanted to play [[weird harvest]]

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deft belfry
cold quartz
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i will say the {B} tutor for a card, pick someone else to tutor too feels really fun

deft belfry
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jk i have that issue everyday

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my keyboard also has partially broken keycaps

cold quartz
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got picked a couple times when someone ran that one and saved a bad mulligan keep

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to tutor myself for a land

cold quartz
deft belfry
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what B tutor, [[scheming symmetry]]??

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cold quartz
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yeah that one

deft belfry
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i want to own that [[$scheming symmetry]]

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deft belfry
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ehh i guess i am better off proxy it

cold quartz
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hahahaha

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art is dodo anyways

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imo

deft belfry
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havent seen all the art of it

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i dont mind the design, warm and cool colours, somewhat resemble the old "flip" cards

cold quartz
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slotted in your 4cmc draw as i feel drawing more is prob the best upgrade for the deck rn

deft belfry
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sounds about right

cold quartz
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i never played during the old magic sets so i honestly kind of hate the look of old magic cards

deft belfry
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i care more about the quality of a card printed than the framing

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i dont dislike or like white boarder that much but i dont want the card to look dusty

cold quartz
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unpopular opinion but i immediately change printings when i see 1999 shit

deft belfry
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otherwise white board lands are really easy to search in the 99

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i just care about being able to recognize the cards i play

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without reading each one when i draw it

cold quartz
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also just reading the old wording gives me a headache to translate it to todays language

deft belfry
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well depends on how old

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some cards gives headache even when it make sense

cold quartz
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truuuuuuuuuue

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[[animate dead]]

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Enchantment β€” Aura
Enchant creature card in a graveyard
When this Aura enters, if it's on the battlefield, it loses "enchant creature card in a graveyard" and gains "enchant creature put onto the battlefield with this Aura." Return enchanted creature card to the battlefield under your control and attach this Aura to it. When this Aura leaves the battlefield, that creature's controller sacrifices it.
Enchanted creature gets -1/-0.

cold quartz
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fuck that one in particular

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i get why but i hate it lol

deft belfry
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well this you can kind of skip the text once you know what is about

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you need to start with the history lesson XD

cold quartz
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true, its necessary to be there because they decided it needed to be an aura for some reason but come on

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just say bring back creature from graveyard, attach this to it in a unset or some shit

deft belfry
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once up of time, there is such a thing that enchant DEAD CREATURE

cold quartz
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oh i know

deft belfry
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so it basically only works by "targetting" without saying target on the card due to enchant aura card type

cold quartz
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i saww someones old printing the other day refering to legendaries as legends

deft belfry
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i think its more clear than the bestow mechanic tho

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i dont mind, legendaries, legends, legenday say thing

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the fucking spiderman typo

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on a powercreep card

cold quartz
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hmm?

deft belfry
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something holographic woman whatever, it has a day 0 errata because they freaken mispelt legendary on the card

cold quartz
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is [[sink in the stupor]] worth as an include just because its an mdfc? 3 mana for that is so expensive

shrewd zealotBOT
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No card found for β€œsink in the stupor”

cold quartz
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omg

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you know the one

deft belfry
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yeah, a card that shouldnt exist from the set i hate

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i think its MDFC untapped basically no downside

cold quartz
cold quartz
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i cant remember

deft belfry
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i think there was a fight spell from aetherdrift

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no edge

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because it forgot to say creature you control or something

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so people would turn a bite effect into [[wave of reckoning]]

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deft belfry
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bite itself loll

cold quartz
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maybe [[hostage taker]] ?

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deft belfry
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[[diplomatic relations]]

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cold quartz
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i think it was hostage taker because you could force a draw because it didnt say another so youd target itself an infinite # of times

deft belfry
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its not a draw

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you MAY cast

cold quartz
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hmm maybe not then

deft belfry
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but it was a problem when it was like storm off withitself

cold quartz
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i feel part of the problem with evaluating cards in a b4 deck is all of the cards are good, so its hard for me to figure out whats the weakest

cold quartz
deft belfry
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yeah, B4 finding bad cards that stands out is easy but its when you only have good cards, that almost all looks identical

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you then need to find that connection between each piece

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onto other decks that you dont see

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and lot of it is how you use the card too, [[mana drain]] hate that mana burn isnt a drawback

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cold quartz
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like your argument against mirrormade makes sense but peaking at other lists, targeting artifacts i guess is such an upside that they were running [[copy artifact]]

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cold quartz
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so idk how to feel as a b4 newbie

deft belfry
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exactly

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enchantment is more niche

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than artifact

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[[steal enchantment]] is the ... pet card to cut?

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cold quartz
deft belfry
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a well timed OG counterspell is enough to swing the game, when you get a counterspell that rewards you and ramp

cold quartz
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i think the only reason its not is because its probably stronger in b3 than b4-5 where you arent casting those big 7-8cmc finishers

deft belfry
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you can afford to "waste" it on whatever big spells is played

cold quartz
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or at least way less often than b3

deft belfry
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B4 cant afford to lose that big winning spell when everyone is playing countless counter magic

cold quartz
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i actually am starting to not like og counterpsell as much as others

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{b}{b} cant be discounted and hard to play something and hold up mana for it in 2-3 color decks

deft belfry
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i think my B4 deck would naturally become some sort of solitary chain extra turn stax storm πŸ˜…

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and my red counterspells are like [[reverberate]][[fork]][[display of power]]

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deft belfry
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yes i will respond to your counterspell to copy my own extra turn spell

cold quartz
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oh other versions of kykar were running the 1cmc red, counter target blue spell stuff

deft belfry
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ahh love that [[pyroblast]]

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cold quartz
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yeah

deft belfry
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the fact i can target a non blue spell

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i countered a cycRift once pre brackets

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the salt was well worth it

cold quartz
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i actually saw one of those in a b3 game the othere day just because the guy had a hatred for blue players, and it was an awesome moment because no one expected that shit hahaha

deft belfry
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reverse the island salt back onto him XD

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almost as satisfying as my random jank [[tithe taker]] stopped the 2 mana cyclonic rift that would bounce my lethal damage onto them

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cold quartz
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mono red player having interaction for the moment, everyone popped off all "OOOOOOO"

deft belfry
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nah i am not mono red

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i still need card draws

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but i only played non blue counterspells for like a decade

cold quartz
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yeah i really hate mono red "draw"

deft belfry
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i have only recently put legit [[!counterspell]] in a deck for the first time last month

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cold quartz
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esp because i always play the land first so then i fele like a dumb dumb when i see lands in exile

deft belfry
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havent drew it yet but i have [[suspend]]ed someone's commander

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Instant
Exile target creature and put two time counters on it. If it doesn't have suspend, it gains suspend. (At the beginning of its owner's upkeep, they remove a time counter. When the last is removed, they may play it without paying its mana cost. If it's a creature, it has haste.)
Time moves in mysterious ways.

deft belfry
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i wish i have timetravel synergy

cold quartz
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if i couldnt interact because of it i would tip my cap for sure

cold quartz
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can you not just choose to put it to the command zone instead?

deft belfry
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cold quartz
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hahahahaha

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thats awesome

deft belfry
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so it was around 35life, everyone was like "why is there a tithe taker in the deck"

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Β―_(ツ)_/Β―

cold quartz
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unironically prolly goes hard in b4

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would shut off so many combos

deft belfry
cold quartz
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or how much mana the green stompy dum dum has

deft belfry
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i am trying to find the perfect deck to use with ]][[mirror of life trapping]]

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deft belfry
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it was [[ivy, glee]] my suspend target

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deft belfry
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so i did manage to slow the tempo by quite a bit

cold quartz
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no way you wouldnt choose to recast the commander

deft belfry
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but it was a 3 player game and i didnt run the efficient removal spell, and missed one land drop

cold quartz
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thats insane to me since they prolly had other cards to play on same turn as recast

deft belfry
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otherwise i would have been able to remove the threat and swing for lethal

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my crappy removal was like either [[vow of wildness]] or

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cold quartz
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calling that removal is such a stretch looool

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more like someone elses problem πŸ˜„

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i will say im growing fond of [[mental mistep]]

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cold quartz
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pay 2 life counter a sol ring felt amazing

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has a great name to make a joke as you play it too

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its got all the trappings of a pet card for sure

deft belfry
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i find it, it was [[warbriar blessing]] yes i was using VERY BAD cards

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deft belfry
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missed 1 land drop early so i didnt have enough mana

cold quartz
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oh wait its creatures you control

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ahhh

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imagine

deft belfry
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if i just run [[rapidhydridization]] my life would be so much easier

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cold quartz
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is there a cheap spell to have target creature you dont control fight another creature?

deft belfry
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i mean... the one game i had this [[favor of the woods]] in my deck, i won

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deft belfry
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wait wrong name

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it was worse

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maybe

cold quartz
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i wouldnt even pick that in draft wtff is thaaaat

deft belfry
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i remember the art has like a topless guy

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[[gift of the woods]]

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deft belfry
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it was in my deck and i got it stolen XD

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"yeah take from me, my 99 sucks"

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and then almost every creature was unblockable at the time

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the only blockable one was hexproof'ed with boots

cold quartz
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you got me in deep now that i searched art:topless

deft belfry
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😈

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the wrong rabbithole

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[[!gift of the woods|all|92b]]

cold quartz
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{{rathi berserker]] now were talking

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[[rathi berserker]]

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cold quartz
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with a face only a mother could love

deft belfry
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if the swing has a little more motion, at the diagonal angle, the weapon would perfectly covered the nipples

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what tag were you using? visible man chest?

cold quartz
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literally art:topless lol

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lions be some horndogs btw

deft belfry
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quite literally a bush on her

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head, i am talking about her head

cold quartz
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[[alluring scent]]

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deft belfry
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dryad is like lowkey a bulbasaur

cold quartz
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these are about as strong as gift of the woods

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im just finding cards for your next deck

deft belfry
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"THERE ARE NO LAWS AGAINST THE POKEMONS BATMAN" INSERT MEMES HERE

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i also run [[allure]]

shrewd zealotBOT
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Multiple cards match β€œallure”, can you be more specific?

deft belfry
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[[lure]]

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deft belfry
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[[breaker of arms]] in that same deck

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cold quartz
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wow i cant believe allure got pushed that hard

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sad

deft belfry
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[[sedge hammer]] yes i can board wipe in green

shrewd zealotBOT
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No card found for β€œsedge hammer”

deft belfry
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[[dead iron hammer]]

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Artefakt β€” AusrΓΌstung
Immer wenn die ausgerΓΌstete Kreatur eine Kreatur blockt oder von ihr geblockt wird, zerstΓΆre diese Kreatur und die ausgerΓΌstete Kreatur.
AusrΓΌsten mana2 (mana2: Lege diese Karte an eine Kreatur deiner Wahl, die du kontrollierst, an. Spiele AusrΓΌsten wie eine Hexerei. Diese Karte kommt gelΓΆst ins Spiel und bleibt im Spiel, falls die Kreatur das Spiel verlΓ€sst.)

deft belfry
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T_T

cold quartz
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how are there so many topless cards, im only in the b's after like 200

deft belfry
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[[!dead iron sledge]]

deft belfry
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πŸ‘΄ and you are also too old by todays standard

cold quartz
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new bracket 1 deck just dropped, hotter than all the mixtapes

deft belfry
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once you are past 25 you are either young af or old as balls, no in between

cold quartz
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woah im in between when i hang out with people 23-29

deft belfry
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i am still trying to draw and pull off my [[infiltraction lens]] in that deck

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deft belfry
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it count each blocking creature

cold quartz
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are you able to gift defenders?

deft belfry
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what do you mean

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like turn something into defender?

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that exist

cold quartz
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well there are cards that when ETB gift 2/2s or w/e

deft belfry
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but all old cards so they are very

cold quartz
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are there ones to gift really good blockers

deft belfry
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niche

cold quartz
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or some type of mass goad effect where all creatures must block this turn

deft belfry
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hmmm like [[dowsing dagger]] plants are defenders

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Artifact β€” Equipment
When this Equipment enters, target opponent creates two 0/2 green Plant creature tokens with defender.
Equipped creature gets +2/+1.
Whenever equipped creature deals combat damage to a player, you may transform this Equipment.
Equip mana2

Lost Vale
Land
(Transforms from Dowsing Dagger.)
manat: Add three mana of any one color.
The pirates had ventured into the interior for treasure. They found something far greater.

deft belfry
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i didnt put this there

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my was a good wide janks

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go wide*

cold quartz
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yo thats actually kind of gas for a jank deck

deft belfry
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i wanted people to take life point into matter in the game

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by creating unfavourable blocks

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rather than maximizing my own benefits from the board

cold quartz
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run [[kratos]]

shrewd zealotBOT
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Multiple cards match β€œkratos”, can you be more specific?

deft belfry
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and one of the win con is ... i wish i have the pic from my phone uploaded... i will just search the card

cold quartz
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[[kratos, god of war]]

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deft belfry
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[[!spin crasher]] [[!exponential growth]]

deft belfry
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the armed dick punch directly to the face

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after making it very very BIG

cold quartz
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woah woah woah, i thought we said no combo in b2

deft belfry
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so yeah, i probably need 12 mana to do this

cold quartz
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creature + exponential growth is combo, your under arrest by the bracket police

deft belfry
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nah i ve done worse . for sure

cold quartz
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i had someone in one of my games the other day say unironically that one of the players wasnt allowed to win yet because the bracket sheet says it has to be turn 7 or later

deft belfry
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XD lmao

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LOL

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if he wasnt joking though

cold quartz
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they started a whole argument while i just grabbed the popcorn

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oh was not joking in the slightest

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salty af

deft belfry
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"Oh you werent joking"

cold quartz
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ahh thats a good one, wish i knew that meme to say it

deft belfry
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go with this one

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it never fails

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"so the other day... i had some serious diarrhea... " "WHY SO SERIOUS"

cold quartz
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wait i also dont have grim monolith in this deck

deft belfry
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yep, you need lot of cuts lol

cold quartz
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how am i running 10 less lands than usual but have no space

deft belfry
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XD

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~~welcome to ~~B4

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in a nutshell

cold quartz
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unironically is that even good in this deck with so many colored pips

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+1 mana once with no free untaps

deft belfry
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where in my eyes, every card is either mana or [[manamorphose]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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GL HF say no one ever

cold quartz
#

yes πŸ˜„

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mana card draw and interaction sum up my decks πŸ˜…

deft belfry
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i consider rage quit a win con, and being able to make someone mad enough to not screw with your game while not being able to think straight is the ideal game play

cold quartz
#

oh speaking of pet cards [[angel's grace]] goes so hard

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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yeah i guess

cold quartz
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every time i had it in hand it got use

deft belfry
#

oh nice

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i hate running white too much to have a deck that fit it

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struggle with maintaining my card advantage too much when i draw it... it felt like i skipped a turn

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even thought its probably better than lot of the janks i have in my decks

cold quartz
deft belfry
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in YGO, there are cards that sort of protect you from losing, except those are like anime protagonist cards to make the game look more dramatic

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in reality, skipping that draw just give the opoonent another turn to play

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in magic though, it also stops a win

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which is quite something and splitsecond stops counterspell interaction made it a very good effect

deft belfry
cold quartz
#

yeah its really relevent in b4 when [[pact of negation]] is so good because you just win before it or on upkeep

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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unless you meta game, vandalblast almost never hits all opponent

cold quartz
deft belfry
#

and red also struggle with card advantage, so it can often by a dead draw

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i think i pull off vandal blast around 4, no more than 5 times in all my games

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none of them were worth it in my favour

cold quartz
#

whaaa

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thats crazy to me

deft belfry
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not enough B3 + power in those games

cold quartz
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is everyone green in your games with no rocks or what

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ive vandaled quite a few times just to blow up 2-3 rocks on everyones board

deft belfry
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it either king make and someone cant do anything and watch the rest play, or didnt matter as much as it should

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when it blow up enough things, or too much things, i am still not in a good enough position

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its sabotage without advancing myself

cold quartz
#

to bring it back, i think [[misdirection]] is better than the red redirects just because most of the cards in the deck are blue

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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yeah it s fine

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lot of blue cards in the deck to make up for it

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just need to have consistent draws

cold quartz
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yeah im not sure at this point how to do that, reliably set up my win while reliably able to stop other wins

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as far as card balancing goes

deft belfry
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i did SO much better with the one that makes me grelins

cold quartz
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maybe you are right about grand abolisher since its there to protect the breach but i have counter magic for that pre breach then a bunch post breach

deft belfry
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[[RELEASE the gremlins]]

shrewd zealotBOT
cold quartz
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but that sounds so wrong

deft belfry
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at the very least i would go with [[voice of victory]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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just to avoid the double pips

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but i do consider some level of redundancy to be too much

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over redundant for a lack of words

cold quartz
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yeah true..but the activate abilities is doing so much work on abolisher

deft belfry
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what activate ability [[grand abolisher]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
#

oooh

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total forgot that lol

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XD i forgot how few times i read that card in my games

cold quartz
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ye, and by the time i actually want to play it, like t5 i should have 2 white

deft belfry
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yeah the colour pips here doesnt matter

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you will need good mulligans to get the hand you need for your match up

cold quartz
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do i ever drop git probe and ponder

deft belfry
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even if you go down to 5 cards

cold quartz
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yeah im learning that for sure

deft belfry
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probe is free so idrc

cold quartz
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kept a 6 card hand when i probably should have whent down to 4 or 5

deft belfry
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ponder is a maybe drop

cold quartz
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3 wheels fine? should it only be 2?

deft belfry
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why 2 or 3

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for breach combo specifically?

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i guess it depends if you count using tutor to get it out as part of it

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to create overlaps

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if want consistency then max is usually the highest chance

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otherwise i guess 2 is enough?

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based on how much of the best version of the card you want to use

cold quartz
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yeah probably tutor for one a decent amount of the time

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but tutoring for [[intuition]] is just a free win if it resolves most of the time i think

shrewd zealotBOT
cold quartz
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idk

deft belfry
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likely

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is [[solve the equation]] too high cost

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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guarantee 1 card but no grave set up and really not needed ? but with mana available it can also lead to a win

cold quartz
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yeah 3cmc tutor is kind of high

deft belfry
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i guess at B4 it s going to be mostly math and stats, not the most friendly for us doing trial and error outside of the game

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the "tier list" sort of restrict what other commanders you may see

cold quartz
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yeah true

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i also just chose kykar because i wanted to make a kykar deck

deft belfry
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and never cast kykar

cold quartz
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was origionally envisioning it being a b2 list but as my first b4 i liked the option

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shhhhhh

deft belfry
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i did [[possibility storm]] battle jank with Kykar

shrewd zealotBOT
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Enchantment
Whenever a player casts a spell from their hand, that player exiles it, then exiles cards from the top of their library until they exile a card that shares a card type with it. That player may cast that card without paying its mana cost. Then they put all cards exiled with this enchantment on the bottom of their library in a random order.

cold quartz
#

its normally correct to play him

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oh yeah fun card

deft belfry
#

i had most of the battles i can play in jeskai colours

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and since battle do cast the backside, i do have some extra non creature spell spaming here

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so its like omnidirectional spam casting spell

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very fitting for me since i have no sense of direction

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kinda wish i own that blue white counterall spells and turn them into birds card

cold quartz
#

[[muddle the mixture]] is an interesting replacement

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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its one of those annoying as fuck but funny cards until it get boring at least

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yeah i wanted to mention muddle but i saw your list had no room

cold quartz
shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
#

i guess you would like [[devon;s veto]] in general

shrewd zealotBOT
#

No card found for β€œdevon;s veto”

deft belfry
#

[[dovin veto]]

shrewd zealotBOT
cold quartz
#

i do have that in my ephara deck as well yes

deft belfry
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i dont have enough decks that i want to make room for a random instant

cold quartz
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i hit someone with the [[glorious end]] on upkeep the other day

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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i have put that with my newest deck in the making

deft belfry
#

[[the twelfth doctor]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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if i can demonstrate it

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not only do the turn ends, they get the backend of the spell too

cold quartz
#

how would the doctor get around the end step trigger tho

deft belfry
#

ALLOW ME TO demonstrate

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a fail flavour mechanic

cold quartz
#

oh boy

deft belfry
#

i cast spell, trigger doctor

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i put a copy on the stack etc

cold quartz
#

counter your own?

deft belfry
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opponent of my choice (screw your Tpro i am picking you)

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gets a copy and yes

cold quartz
#

that is evil hahaha

deft belfry
#

the top of the stack, ends the turn, and get rid of my

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so their next turn is their last

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its nowhere near as bad as 3 copies of [[!Possibiliy storm]] yes its back

deft belfry
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or triple [[omen machine]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
#

i just want triple everything symmetrical

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i may hold off on [[ shared fate]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
#

that one is a bit much

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with multiple replacement effect, the affected player choose which one applies

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so with shared fate A,B, & C... we are in for a long ride

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each one would exile their own pile

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this is some Unset chaos

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section alpha beta gamma XD

cold quartz
#

[[copy artifact]] or [[trouble in pairs]] to replace ponder?

shrewd zealotBOT
cold quartz
#

or a 3rd choice?

deft belfry
#

trouble seems nice, will trigger alot

cold quartz
deft belfry
#

its 3 cards each turn for each player

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and my first is getting DEMONSTRATEd

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and since most decks cares about drawing a ton

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it does annoy some people

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with 3 copies, without vandalblast, it is going to stay around for a while

cold quartz
#

yeah that would be me hahaha

deft belfry
#

its not evil but its worse than evil

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its chaotic neutral

deft belfry
#

:3

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i am not here to hurt you, i just enjoy seeing oyu in pain

cold quartz
#

wait i forgot this was in here

deft belfry
#

huh

cold quartz
#

[[goblin bombardment

deft belfry
#

oh yeah

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i forgot to ask

cold quartz
#

]] sigh

deft belfry
#

]]gobobmbardment[[

cold quartz
#

yes

deft belfry
#

yeah you can take it out if not for combo

cold quartz
#

having tags off sometimes helps to see new things turns out

deft belfry
#

yeah i change it around a lot when looking at different ratios

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tagging is most important for seeing each card individually and counting each category

cold quartz
#

yeah makes sense

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O.O

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what was i thinking

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im in white

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teferi protection

deft belfry
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XD lmao

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was kinda waiting for you to realize

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i did mention it once in the chat with the glorious end interaction

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[[teferi's protection]]

shrewd zealotBOT
cold quartz
#

oh i missed that lol

deft belfry
#

i kinda hid it

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there are so many game changers i somewhat ignored whats there

cold quartz
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yeahhhhh

deft belfry
#

i guess you can still lose the game with T pro

cold quartz
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i kinda went wild

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yeah what are the ways around it again, mill?

deft belfry
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i think the best mana rock i own and played is... [[mox amber]]

shrewd zealotBOT
cold quartz
#

alt win cons?

deft belfry
#

unless i count the sac altars

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commander damage unpreventable

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non target player mill

cold quartz
#

oh fr

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i actually didnt know that

deft belfry
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an one more super niche way

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skip untap step

cold quartz
#

is it not just the next untap step

deft belfry
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the combat damage get prevented by protection so some sort of [[questing beast]] effect is needed

shrewd zealotBOT
cold quartz
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or are they just gone

deft belfry
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so if skipped, they dont come back til the next untap

cold quartz
#

yeah that is pretty game losing

deft belfry
#

you have MLD yourself

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congra

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i want to do that to someone using Tpro because he deserve it

cold quartz
#

lol bro i was drinking water

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chillll

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ok to fit in teferi how do we feel about birgi and vivi

deft belfry
#

i am always chill

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no sweat at all

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vivi is at least giving mana but idk about the burn

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birgi is all red but its almost a backup commander

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would depend on the combo line

cold quartz
#

also wouldnt mind another ritual maybe

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idk if i need another tho

deft belfry
#

i will think about it later since i doubt my mind will get much out at 1am

cold quartz
#

yeah im kinda cooked too

deft belfry
#

had to move so most of my cards are packed up

cold quartz
#

yeah im moving in 3 days

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feel ya there

deft belfry
#

why you building deck when you are so busy XD

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i am moving in 2

cold quartz
#

because im not that busy actually πŸ˜„

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ooo where you moving?

deft belfry
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within the city

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will try to make it a place i can call home

cold quartz
#

ah thats awesome

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living in the city is always best i think

deft belfry
#

i mean i was already in the city

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so i am just in a place close by

cold quartz
#

ah ok, new place nicer? why the change?

deft belfry
#

yeah i guess so, hard to explain in one line type of circumstances

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at least i am not losing much here

cold quartz
#

fair, hope it works out for ya though

deft belfry
#

from the move

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yeah thx you too

#

anything special about your move?

cold quartz
#

could say that, moving to the other side of the world

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to australia

deft belfry
#

got yourself a sugar mommy huh?

cold quartz
#

hell no, i make more money and have a cheaper cost of living there

deft belfry
#

now you can meme about being upsidedown all the time

#

your time zone got to be soo off

cold quartz
#

yyyyyeah

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i always get jet lagged for like 3 weeks

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its gonna be bad

deft belfry
#

i heard magic cards there a cheat

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cheap

#

are

cold quartz
#

could be i wouldnt know

deft belfry
#

i get like 10 hrs lag at most?

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but i havent travelled for some years now so it could have changed

cold quartz
#

16 hours ahead of my current time zone

#

oh

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10 HOURS?!!!!

deft belfry
#

back in my days i could stay awake for 20+ hrs easily

cold quartz
#

thats insane

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im a walking zombie for the first 3- days

deft belfry
#

idk my brain just adapt well

cold quartz
#

3-4*

deft belfry
#

but my sense of direction and time are not great

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i can also stay awake the entire time on the plane

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so i dont need to silent any annoying children for a good rest

cold quartz
#

i stay awwake the entire time on the plane not out of choice D:

deft belfry
#

i am getting my movie ticket worth on the flight

deft belfry
#

πŸ‘Œ πŸ›Œ

marble cedar
deft belfry
#

letting you know i saw the msg

#

so for your love of booby we will get this deck working smoothly

#

lantern control in multiplayer format is a pain tho, so it depends how you want to go at it

#

tunnel vision is another weird one because if you are able to get the exact card on the bottom of someone's library, you can deck someone out as a win con

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otherwise i wouldnt try to use a 6 mana "tutor"

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its also impressive how low you kept the budget when there is a inventor's fair in. tthere

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[[#meekstone]] too

shrewd zealotBOT
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Pauper

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Penny

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Commander

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Oathbreaker

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Standardbrawl

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Brawl

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Alchemy

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Paupercommander

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Duel

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deft belfry
#

things i would add are ... single use blink, because [[!conjurer's closet]] costing 5 mana is quite a lot

deft belfry
#

i guess its better than something that cannot be tutored and reanimate from grave

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so i would probably take out [[don &leo problem solves]] or teleportation circle that is one mana less but can never blink non creature

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
#

[[trinket mage]] should be nice with all those 1 drop artifact

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
#

because its hard to get out secret commander without enough tutors, being able to see your top deck with lantern allows better decision point

#

i would swap another land for the target of [[!lorien revealed]] in case of black mana fixing

deft belfry
#

can swap [[!talisman of hierarchy]] for [[liquimetal torque]] due to having very few removals, and it also opens up to the potential cloning of steelsharper/mirrormade

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
#

actually do the talisman for colours with the highest basic land count

deft belfry
#

[[matzalantli the great door]] or other self mill to get more value

shrewd zealotBOT
#

Legendary Artifact
manat: Draw a card, then discard a card.
mana4, manat: Transform Matzalantli. Activate only if there are four or more permanent types among cards in your graveyard. (Artifact, battle, creature, enchantment, land, and planeswalker are permanent types.)

The Core
Legendary Land
(Transforms from Matzalantli.)
Fathomless descent β€” manat: Add X mana of any one color, where X is the number of permanent cards in your graveyard.
Centuries ago, under siege from the Mycotyrant, the Oltec sealed the Core off from the world... until Huatli's party arrived.

deft belfry
#

until Sharuum comes out at the 6 ish mana mark, everything until then is just set up

#

with a high land count, hitting land drop is consistent but slows down when you are able to do anything

#

if you want to stay on the sell mill ?somewhat blind? there are cards similar to [[throne of grim captain]]

shrewd zealotBOT
#

Legendary Artifact
manat: Mill two cards.
Craft with a Dinosaur, a Merfolk, a Pirate, and a Vampire mana4 (mana4, Exile this artifact, Exile the four from among permanents you control and/or cards in your graveyard: Return this card transformed under its owner's control. Craft only as a sorcery.)

The Grim Captain
Legendary Creature β€” Skeleton Spirit Pirate
Menace, trample, lifelink, hexproof
Whenever The Grim Captain attacks, each opponent sacrifices a nonland permanent of their choice. Then you may put an exiled creature card used to craft The Grim Captain onto the battlefield under your control tapped and attacking.
7/7

deft belfry
#

this card wasnt around when i put sharuum together back then [[technomancer]] and its just lying around in my binder πŸ€”

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
#

much worse than say [[necron deathmark]] but the price says it all

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
#

[[altar of the wretched]] may have synergy too with how it basically sees double X cards

shrewd zealotBOT
#

Artifact
When this artifact enters, you may sacrifice a nontoken creature. If you do, draw X cards, then mill X cards, where X is that creature's power.
Craft with one or more creatures mana2manabmanab
mana2manab: Return this card from your graveyard to your hand.

Wretched Bonemass
Creature β€” Skeleton Horror
Wretched Bonemass's power and toughness are each equal to the total power of the exiled cards used to craft it.
This creature has flying as long as an exiled card used to craft it has flying. The same is true for first strike, double strike, deathtouch, haste, hexproof, indestructible, lifelink, menace, protection, reach, trample, and vigilance.
*/*

deft belfry
#

i have used [[realmbreaker the invasion tree]] in a jank deck where i want consistent land ramp. just the first ability alone is sort of worth it

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
#

so without directly changing the search for secret commander, i think this can speed up the turns when there is nothing to do

deft belfry
# marble cedar Ok I sleep?

not sure if this helps, the core of the deck is already there from what i see. the flexible play pattern and match up is the hardest part

#

i have played [[booby trap]] without knowing much of the 99 of my opponent's deck and just calling it based on the commander's potential combo piece

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
#

i think my chance of calling that was pretty high but the opponent didnt want every card revealed, so booby trap was destroyed not long after

#

and then its the power of sharuum loops, which isnt in this deck, but will require that pregame conversation so that no one thinks you are going to combo off out of nowhere. easy fix with basic social skills

#

ofc those loops can combo with opponent's card if it gets there

#

sharuum + clone + etb/Ltb trigger win con etc

#

if want upgrades from 2 mana ramp rocks, there are things like [[sonic screwdriver]] both 1 & 3 are relevant here

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
#

not a heavy focus on death trigger but this is a jank piece i ve been toying around with [[dross scorpion]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
#

in most artifact decks, i like to have a [[steel overseer]] because at worst, it provide to be a decent blocker that will eventually be lethal combat damage

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
#

even if removed, its just a 2 drop

wicked gust
#

My guy you were wrong earlier with the pro red equipment, the equipment if red WOULD fall off

deft belfry
#

so booy trap isnt the only way to win, some evasive flying damage is nice

deft belfry
#

t is not just target but attach

wicked gust
#

Ye...lol

deft belfry
#

DEBA <.<

#

Damage
Enchant creature
Block
Attach/Target

#

DEBAT

#

you may name your first born after that to remember this rule

wicked gust
#

Lol

deft belfry
#

i guess you are still keping fire and ice

upper ember
deft belfry
#

not just an folks

#

you are special

upper ember
#

❀️

#

I made a thread, but the idea is idk if there's something in the sideboard that should be in the mainboard or if I'm okay with mana rocks. Similar versions of the deck are doing okay at bracket 3

deft belfry
#

what mana rock, there's none

#

with this colour and pips, i think you would rather have colour fixing ramp more than the colourless from sol ring

#

oh wow i never noticed [[!summon: round knights]] is only 3 power

deft belfry
#

but in general sol ring still helps with lot of things like a broken land drop that speeds up the game plan by a turn or two

#

since 100% of the creature cards are >= 3power, even if the ratio isnt 35, you will still hit something

#

so close, i had too look up [[bruse tarl boorish herder]] for its wording

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
#

doesnt work with terra the way i want it to

#

only works if terra already have first strike > bring back Bruse tarl > add normal combat

upper ember
upper ember
#

[[!Hokori, Dust Drinker]]

upper ember
deft belfry
#

[[!general leo cristophe]] looks kinda meh

upper ember
upper ember
deft belfry
#

but himself is tapped anyways

#

and small value arent usually the best blockers

#

its not much better than [[village bell ringer]]?

shrewd zealotBOT
upper ember
#

Right

deft belfry
#

unless the counters on it matters

upper ember
#

not rly, it's mostly for the 2 for 1 thing tbh

deft belfry
#

because if you cheat that in, and then give it evasion... somehow

upper ember
#

he probably dies before he gets to do something with the counters

deft belfry
#

XD

#

yea

#

lot of the good utility are 4 drops

upper ember
#

what would you replace it with? supposedly voidwalker is really good but it seems a bit slow for me, because things have to hit the opponent's graveyards before I can do the thing of looping

upper ember
deft belfry
#

maybe [[serra paragon]]?

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
#

i think unless you know you want to/enjoy the stax route, deafening silence and hokori will probably never make it into this build, it would change a lot more things toward a consistent slow paced game

#

whereas suntitan in the considering are probably previous cuts once you noticed its too big of a body to do anything in the deck

upper ember
#

that makes sense, they seemed a bit more far-fetched for this build. But with serra paragon, idk if it isn't counter productive? Like it's good to get the lands from the graveyard, but then anything she reanimates will be exiled when it dies

upper ember
#

you can't reanimate it and it's expensive to cast

#

wait, serra is a permanent spell, not just creature

#

huh

deft belfry
#

[[obsidian battle axe]] this was in my [[alesha smiles at death]] deck years ago

shrewd zealotBOT
upper ember
#

that's better than I thought

deft belfry
#

yeah and lands too

#

so random mills becomes selected value

#

if they go away, its like another good finality trigger

#

since it does enter grave first before the exile

#

way more triggers on that [[!desecrated tomb]]

upper ember
#

damn that's true

#

I didn't even think of that

deft belfry
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keeping track of all your triggers with 10+ things on board is your challenge

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oh yeah, it's gonna be hell

deft belfry
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i dont express B3, the table remind you of your own triggers

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its not as bad as 10 saga so thats nothing XD

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hmmm, so this version of Terra is just Kaalia wannabe

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πŸ˜‚ guess you could called it that

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just harder to make happen, I guess

deft belfry
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33 lands seems painful to watch >.<

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3 MDFC?

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yeah

deft belfry
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36/99 the chance isnt the best

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bump to like 37?

deft belfry
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aggressive mulligan for first playable

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i want fixing ramp tho

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because terra doesnt do anything when she is out the first turn

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need untap

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and grave

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no reason to not have [[arcane signet]] in this

shrewd zealotBOT
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or the creature version

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[[ornithopter of paradise]]

shrewd zealotBOT
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i use that more than signet

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I see

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I could take fell the profane for ornithopter

deft belfry
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fair

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but still need to cut for the lands. My idea was to cut on spells mostly, but I'm already a bit tight

deft belfry
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wait

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why you cutting another land

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🀦

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oh you mean keep it?

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damn xD

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okay

deft belfry
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fell profane is still a land

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you cant count it toward a spell you cut

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thats fair

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I'm a bit unsure about inti. It's really good to give me card draw, but need cards in hand. The time I got to use her, I ran out of cards really fast

deft belfry
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time to tag

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give cards at least the two main things they do

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no point of tagging "reanimate target for terra" when the entire deck is that

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ah good idea

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I'll do that after work then

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i think inti is not a bad cut since there are only like 10 cards that cares about discard

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and impulse draw is lowkey bad for you when land count is low and casting cost is high

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yeah the idea for it is that it can take away dead cards in hand, but yeah

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I see

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I think ultimatum could also be a cut. That mana cost is horrendous

deft belfry
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only 9 actually , it shows 11 including sidedeck

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oh yeah i havent even looked at sorcery

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xD

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grab the prize might be a bit weak, although it's still solid

deft belfry
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[[!grab the prize]]

deft belfry
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its fine for now

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not like you need instant speed for this deck

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fair fair

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victimize is also okay, but might need a cut in the future. It brings 2 things, but yeah

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if I mill it, it's gone

deft belfry
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[[$sister hospitaller]] did you buy this one, i doubt its ever getting reprinted

shrewd zealotBOT
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not yet

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will need to buy it

deft belfry
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oh rip

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yeah

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it's like the second most expensive (expensive lands I have everything except blood crypt)

deft belfry
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i think you can gain at most... 8 life from it

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and arid mesa and marsh flats for the future

deft belfry
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average probably 3

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i think its replaceable in terms of budget

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that's fair

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I had her because of the captain as well. It brings another creature with her

deft belfry
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[[$marsh flats]]

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yeah those are pretty expensive rn

deft belfry
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back in my days they are like $20 CAD

upper ember
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same though

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when I was younger they were like 15€/20€

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now I see it for 20+

deft belfry
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[[!bloodghast]]

shrewd zealotBOT
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i dont see the need for this

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cant block, dont need much sacrifice

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right

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makes sense

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thalia seems okay for now. Just a stax piece, but in a future build might be cut as well

deft belfry
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yeah its fine to keep

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the room you got can then fit more sideboard cards

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but the lands xD

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I wrote down 3 cuts, 1 add

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so I'd add 2 lands I guess

deft belfry
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dont go below the current 36

upper ember
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right

deft belfry
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have you ever drew [[eviscerator insight]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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whats the chance of using flashback

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not yet

deft belfry
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oh ok

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low I guess

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could be a cut

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5 mana for just 2 cards, could give way for a better card

deft belfry
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i usually just do village rite + [[corrupt conviction]] if need a second one

shrewd zealotBOT
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yeah, I just kept eviscerators for the flashback

deft belfry
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[[skullclamp]] is probably easier and worth its $ for how generic it is in any decks

shrewd zealotBOT
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those mull are so bad

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[[rouge's passage]]] swap for [[access tunnel]]

shrewd zealotBOT
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skullclamp only hits like 4 creatures I think

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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yes skullclamp isnt ideal, just trying to find something for card draw from creatures

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i think i need like a ... whats it called

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[[high society hunter]]

shrewd zealotBOT
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probably is that its 5 power

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5 mana

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[[morbid oppotunist]]

shrewd zealotBOT
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the precon comes with that actually

deft belfry
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yeah, not enough of this effects

upper ember
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so you're looking for card draw on a stick basically?

deft belfry
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what do other terra deck run

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there should be countless out there with the popularity and precon face commander

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I checked a few decks and the interesting cards I added to the sideboard, but I might have missed something

deft belfry
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i just need either mana and/or draw

upper ember
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[[loran of the third path]]?

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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ok

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im checking for more

deft belfry
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can use [[thrilling discovery]] too since drawing 3 is better than draw 2

shrewd zealotBOT
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true true

deft belfry
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rogue passage was a cut for me btw,

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unless you think you can do the 4 mana + tap land + commander ability

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7 total

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its a lot

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you said [[access tunnel]], that'd be 6 mana

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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yep, thats why the swap

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fair fair

deft belfry
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like [[!high market]] is freaken good

shrewd zealotBOT
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but if you need colour mana or dont have endless things to matters for the recursion

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its not the greatest

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in the case where decks runs clamp, even if the creature doesnt die for -1

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there are those ways to sac it

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so high market is fine to keep but dont count it toward a land that allows you cast your commander

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before you go buy yourself fetch lands

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yeah makes sense

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also, other decks I'm seeing run [[esper sentinel]] for draw πŸ™

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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[[knight of the white orchid]] [[kor cartographer]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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[[claim jumper]]

shrewd zealotBOT
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for what matters, they are basically all sad golem equivilent for ramping outside of green

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and those can get non basic plains so they are sort of like fetches

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well, I do have a [[kor cartographer]] laying around

shrewd zealotBOT
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also, found [[doomed necromancer]] which seems interesting, but maybe a bit weak

shrewd zealotBOT
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jumper being the best one with "double trigger", cartographer being potentially worse than sad golem since it has no death trigger and less type

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nah dont need that because there are so few creatures to cheat out