yeah
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strange frost
deft belfry
maybe a fun time to figure out the mechanic you want to play
and force it into your deck
i would probably do [[racer's scoreboard]] for Speed
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Artifact
Start your engines! (If you have no speed, it starts at 1. It increases once on each of your turns when an opponent loses life. Max speed is 4.)
When this artifact enters, draw two cards, then discard a card.
Max speed — Spells you cast cost 
less to cast.
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[[$ginger brute]]
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[[spider-UK]]
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Legendary Creature — Spider Human Hero
Web-slinging 
(You may cast this spell for if you also return a tapped creature you control to its owner's hand.)
At the beginning of your end step, if two or more creatures entered the battlefield under your control this turn, you draw a card and gain 2 life.
"Spiders across the Multiverse are dying. I must keep them safe."
3/4
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[[magmatic insight]] etc
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Not even close
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how much is this on moxfield [[summon kujta]]
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scryfall shows 17 cents
[[fall of the first civilization]] dang this is way cheaper than i thought too
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@wicked gust do you have [[Villainous Wrath]]
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Nope
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Only opened 1 pack of Spiderman, pulled [[antivemon amd [[maximum carnage]]
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Enchantment — Saga
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter. Sacrifice after III.)
I — Until your next turn, each creature attacks each combat if able and attacks a player other than you if able.
II — Add 
.
III — This Saga deals 5 damage to each opponent.
deft belfry
thats still pretty good
wicked gust
Very
deft belfry
[[antivenom]] is that one right
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deft belfry
yeah only one
wicked gust
Ye
deft belfry
not 450 spidermans
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Built a commander deck with it too as it was one of thr only few cards from the set I wanted
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-.- the 1/1 pull gets the 1/1 you wanted
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what is this [[future sight]] shit
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yeah right, i only see you play boros voltron equipments
and few hundred other decks
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XD hey I use other colors and decks, boros/equipment is one of mt fav colors and style
All Tome fav is mardu
Boom one of my fav decks
Pulled the commander foil from a stray random last pack of 2020 core from Wal-Mart years ago
It's also super consistent
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equipment challegen [[trepanation blade]] or
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Artifact — Equipment
Whenever equipped creature attacks, defending player reveals cards from the top of their library until they reveal a land card. The creature gets +1/+0 until end of turn for each card revealed this way. That player puts the revealed cards into their graveyard.
Equip
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[[magic mirror]] + [[glamdring]]
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Legendary Artifact
This spell costs less to cast for each instant and sorcery card in your graveyard.
You have no maximum hand size.
At the beginning of your upkeep, put a knowledge counter on The Magic Mirror, then draw a card for each knowledge counter on The Magic Mirror.
Legendary Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature has first strike and gets +1/+0 for each instant and sorcery card in your graveyard.
Whenever equipped creature deals combat damage to a player, you may cast an instant or sorcery spell from your hand with mana value less than or equal to that damage without paying its mana cost.
Equip 
deft belfry
pick your poison, self mill or opponent mill
just remembered triumph of hordes isnt a GC
i guess there is also the 0/30 wall from avatar
the most lands i have seen you played
maybe [[wall of mulch]] that one i see sometimes
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Creature — Wall
Defender (This creature can't attack.)
, Sacrifice a Wall: Draw a card.
Mulch is the fabric of life in the forest. Plants live in it, they die in it, and then they become part of it, feeding countless generations to come.
0/4
deft belfry
and biggest off theme is that you dont have [[lignify]]
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deft belfry
turn into Elk is probably better but still
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well after throwing a bunch of cards together and looking at the pips for them its deffinitely either chulane or kadena, question is whether id rather have access to white or black
or i just throw in a random 4 color commander to have both 🤔
honestly its probably just kadena but i never play white and having protection for smol morph guys sounds good
i could do partner to make it real good but that sounds lame
plus theres not going to be enough slots in the deck to have my vegi's and do all 3...
at least not without making it real jank
cold quartz
alright @deft belfry i got a list together, deffinitely need some help on cuts, and it was surpisingly budget, before lands were added it was $200, and that is with having too many cards
https://moxfield.com/decks/0XJgujh-AEilTMVr3_gCqw
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need to check on [[cunning nightbonder]] iirc it doesnt work with half the flash enabler except for [[teferi mage of zhalfir]]
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Creature — Human Rogue
Flash
Spells with flash you cast cost less to cast and can't be countered.
"We are each other's shadow, fleeting yet always present."
2/2
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[[?final word phantom]]
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[[?cunning nightbonder]]
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If Cunning Nightbonder enters the battlefield while a spell with flash that you cast is on the stack, that spell can't be countered, even though you don't get the discount.
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yep, google finds it quicker
doesnt "Give Flash" to cards without Flash
kind of low on actually morph cards
not very many black flip effect and [[bane of living]] kills small creatures
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Creature — Insect
Morph 
(You may cast this card face down as a 2/2 creature for . Turn it face up any time for its morph cost.)
When this creature is turned face up, all creatures get -X/-X until end of turn.
4/3
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[[bloom tender]] is slightly less good when many things in here are going to be colourless creatures
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Creature — Elf Druid
Vivid — 
: For each color among permanents you control, add one mana of that color.
Heart calmed by the beauty of the blossom, the dawnhand wondered who was actually protecting whom.
1/1
deft belfry
https://scryfall.com/search?q=(o%3Aface+o%3Adown+-o%3Amorph+-o%3Adraft)+game%3Apaper&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name non morph cards that can put things face down
the second reality shift [[cyber conversion]]
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my favourite blue enchantment [[shared fate]] breaks all deck synergy
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too bad [[ixhelscion of atraxa]] isnt blue
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[[sauron's ransom]] looks cool
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which is really just instant [[atris oracle of half truths]]
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[[kaust eyes of glade]] was not in the best precon although it has that flip trap card feel to it
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Legendary Creature — Dryad Detective
Whenever a creature you control that was turned face up this turn deals combat damage to a player, draw a card.
: Turn target face-down attacking creature you control face up.
If you think you're being watched, you're probably right.
2/2
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[[cryptic pursuit]] is fun but it disregards foretell cast from exile
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Creature — Alien Zombie Soldier
This creature must be blocked if able.
This creature can't be blocked by more than one creature.
Whenever this creature deals damage, exile it face down. It becomes foretold.
Foretell (During your turn, you may pay and exile this card from your hand face down. Cast it on a later turn for its foretell cost.)
6/6
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https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/1/kaust-eyes-of-the-glade
lot like white has the least face down support but also most unique because of that
one of the best face down engine i know got to be [[they came from the pipes]]
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3 permanents onto the board, draw back 2 for only 5 mana
digs 4 deep, and can be flickered/work with all other face downs
[[primordial mist]] is so bad for the same cost, but is kinda funny how you can exiled a face down and then morph it face down again
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its almost resemble "I REVEAL MY TRAP cArd.... oh wait i cant do it.... i will just exile it instead to fizzle the removal instead" beginner mistake
[[fortune's favor]] [[wall of mourning]]
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for cost reduction, its really hard to beat [[obscuring aether]] and green/simic has the most basic value for ramp and draws [[trail of mystery]]
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Enchantment
Face-down creature spells you cast cost less to cast.
: Turn this enchantment face down. (It becomes a 2/2 creature.)
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thats like a guarantee [[path of discovery]] explore draw
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i think i seen zombie face down which can play [[veiled ascension]]
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[[expert level safe]] looks fun 🤔
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Artifact
When this artifact enters, exile the top two cards of your library face down.
, : You and target opponent each secretly choose 1, 2, or 3. Then those choices are revealed. If they match, sacrifice this artifact and put all cards exiled with it into their owners' hands. Otherwise, exile the top card of your library face down.
deft belfry
but its bad white draw like [[connect the dot]]
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Enchantment
Whenever a creature you control attacks, exile the top card of your library face down. (You can't look at it.)
, Discard your hand, Sacrifice this enchantment: Put all cards exiled with this enchantment into their owners' hands.
"How could I have missed it? The answer was right in front of me all along!"
deft belfry
even if technically colourless
meta game piece against other morph decks [[lens of clarity]]
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[[roshan hidden magister]] the assassin creed set has some flip supports
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iirc [[guardian project]] draws everytime?
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because morph facedowns has No Names, need to check on that as well
i somehow want [[trapeze artist]] to be a real card
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50% self bounce to hand
science research for coin flip was 51% on the side it started with, but card is light, but then it is sleeved...
i guess with enough skill it is like 99% bounce to hand if wanted
silverborder would have made the card cooler
not a stupid symbol that get misprinted onto legal cards
[[expose the culprit]] forgot there is cloak as well, ward 2 is just the morph ungrade
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Instant
Choose one or both —
• Turn target face-down creature face up.
• Exile any number of face-up creatures you control with disguise in a face-down pile, shuffle that pile, then cloak them. (To cloak a card, put it onto the battlefield face down as a 2/2 creature with ward . Turn it face up any time for its mana cost if it's a creature card.)
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finally some playable stuff [[become anonymous]]
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Instant
Exile target nontoken creature you own and the top two cards of your library in a face-down pile, shuffle that pile, then cloak those cards. They enter tapped. (To cloak a card, put it onto the battlefield face down as a 2/2 creature with ward . Turn it face up any time for its mana cost if it's a creature card.)
deft belfry
i would probably do [[legitimate businessperson]] for the lolz
deft belfry
so removal in blue isnt a problem, but the other colours is kinda hard to fill in the blank https://scryfall.com/search?q=(o%3Acloak)+game%3Apaper&unique=cards&as=grid&order=usd
[[trapmaker's snare]]
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first time seeing this one [[trapfinder's trick]] so bad
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[[demolition field]] + achieve trap looks nice
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Land
: Add 
.
, , Sacrifice this land: Destroy target nonbasic land an opponent controls. That land's controller may search their library for a basic land card, put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle. You may search your library for a basic land card, put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle.
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thats a mill 14
rightnow the current build is bit far from what Kadena wants to do
no morph creatures to set face-down
= no reduction, no card draw
if it is a flash ETB deck, i can somewhat connect it to one of my first decks [[Yeva, nature herald]] which had lot of the beginner mistake of no consistency and card draw
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it wont work with morph tho
[[aphetto alchemist]] works with [[scroll of fate]]
white has [[exiled doomsayer]][[lumithread field]] (remove itself from combat)
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Creature — Human Wizard
: Untap target artifact or creature.
Morph 
(You may cast this card face down as a 2/2 creature for . Turn it face up any time for its morph cost.)
He brews trouble.
1/2
Artifact
: Manifest a card from your hand. (Put that card onto the battlefield face down as a 2/2 creature. Turn it face up any time for its mana cost if it's a creature card.)
"Our stories define our reality." —Ugin
Creature — Human Cleric
All morph costs cost more. (This doesn't affect the cost to cast creature spells face down.)
He's desperate to hold back the future because he has seen it.
1/2
Enchantment
Creatures you control get +0/+1.
Morph (You may cast this card face down as a 2/2 creature for . Turn it face up any time for its morph cost.)
Having conquered the Bastion of Suns, the Ota took its light for their own.
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i would probably run [[disruptive pitmage]][[dragon's eye servants]]
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Creature — Human Wizard
: Counter target spell unless its controller pays .
Morph (You may cast this card face down as a 2/2 creature for . Turn it face up any time for its morph cost.)
"Show weakness to hide your strength."
1/1
Creature — Human Wizard
Morph—Reveal a blue card in your hand. (You may cast this card face down as a 2/2 creature for . Turn it face up any time for its morph cost.)
When this creature is turned face up, look at target opponent's hand.
0/6
deft belfry
so chulan may actually do what you want once you get that creature count up
assemble engine 1 card advantage,
assemble engine 2 cast monster/traps,
assemble engine 2.5 cast at flash speed
then split everything up into those tier of choice
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alright <@391063794387910656> i got a list together, deffinitely need some help ...
so far this is what i figured out, Kadena may not do what you want
manifest dread/cloak up the door to [[crystal shard]] or whatever blue [[whirlpool trap]]
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Artifact
, or , : Return target creature to its owner's hand unless its controller pays .
The vedalken know it is not of this world, so they know that this world is not the only one.
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[[whiplash trap]]
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Instant — Trap
If an opponent had two or more creatures enter the battlefield under their control this turn, you may pay rather than pay this spell's mana cost.
Return two target creatures to their owners' hands.
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although, there is a rule where facedown leaving the battlefield required you to show the face down, i am not sure if that only applies to morph or it applied to cloak as well
interact different, td;dr manifest dread is not something with morph so it doesnt need to be revealed misread instantly, have to reveal for consistency with existing rule
deft belfry
https://scryfall.com/card/scg/13/exiled-doomsayer
fucking misread it's 2 more not 2 less XD
cold quartz
Damn you went sicko mode on my deck, lemme read through this
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@deft belfry I somehow missed [[Ruthless winnower]] from the golgari elf precon, should I add it into the high perfect deck?
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need to check on [[cunning nightbonder]] iirc it doesnt work with half the flash...
Oh that sadly makes sense now that I'm rereading it
Ah oki need to get off my phone, scrolled all the way up to then when I sent that scroll to the bottom 🙃
Lemme switch to my laptop
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[[bloom tender]] is slightly less good when many things in here are going to be ...
yeah i thought of that but then thought it might be ok since im trying to always have my commander out with a huge protection suite
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not very many black flip effect and [[bane of living]] kills small creatures
yeah not sure what board clears I wanted that were still fairly effecient, blue has some bounce on flip but total ends up being like 8 or 9 mana for the effect
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my favourite blue enchantment [[shared fate]] breaks all deck synergy
is a fun one but yeah that not only destroys the deck synergy but also the deck thematics
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[[sauron's ransom]] looks cool
yeah i like atris a lot, i just dont want my opponents to be looking at any of my things
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[[kaust eyes of glade]] was not in the best precon although it has that flip tra...
yeah there were deffinitely some fun red and white effects i could have played with
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one of the best face down engine i know got to be [[they came from the pipes]]
yeah that was in my deck then i talked myself into removing it since I would rather remain untapped when i pass
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[[primordial mist]] is so bad for the same cost, but is kinda funny how you can ...
yeah i was reading that one when putting it together and got fooled by the bad wording for a second
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for cost reduction, its really hard to beat [[obscuring aether]] and green/simic...
i had both of those in before i cut, because i was at like 120 cards post adding lands, ended up cutting obscuring aether since kadena already makes the first one free, and for trail id rather have actual ramp in green instead of putting it into my hand
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https://scryfall.com/card/dsc/203/trail-of-mystery
and my ramp package was quite small
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https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/18/veiled-ascension
ooo thats cool
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meta game piece against other morph decks [[lens of clarity]]
i dont think im gonna be facing other morph decks tbh lol
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https://scryfall.com/card/acr/32/roshan-hidden-magister
yeah i did like the look of that one
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https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/146/guardian-project
yeah it works with morph because they have no name so it cant have the same name as another morph creature
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finally some playable stuff [[become anonymous]]
yeah that one is cool too
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first time seeing this one [[trapfinder's trick]] so bad
that is really bad lol, maybe good in YGO
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https://scryfall.com/card/scg/13/exiled-doomsayer
ope thats the one
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https://scryfall.com/card/a25/54/dragons-eye-savants
no way thats playable, 3 mana + reveal a blue card for a worse [[gitaxian probe]]
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Sorcery
(
can be paid with either or 2 life.)
Look at target player's hand.
Draw a card.
"My flesh holds no secrets, monster. The spirit of Mirrodin will fight on." —Vy Covalt, Mirran resistance
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https://scryfall.com/card/ons/81/disruptive-pitmage
yeah i had more counterspell morph cards but cut some since there were a lot, arguably [[saw it coming]] is better or if you want a more expensive but fun and thematic option [[kheru spellsnatcher]]
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Instant
Counter target spell.
Foretell (During your turn, you may pay and exile this card from your hand face down. Cast it on a later turn for its foretell cost.)
"How predictable."
Creature — Snake Wizard
Morph 
(You may cast this card face down as a 2/2 creature for . Turn it face up any time for its morph cost.)
When this creature is turned face up, counter target spell. If that spell is countered this way, exile it instead of putting it into its owner's graveyard. You may cast that card without paying its mana cost for as long as it remains exiled.
3/3
cold quartz
so chulan may actually do what you want once you get that creature count up
yeah i dont have a ton of black cards in here anyways post cuts
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so chulan may actually do what you want once you get that creature count up
and it gets me out of having 2 sultai decks out of the 4 ive made
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although, there is a rule where facedown leaving the battlefield required you to...
oh for real? thats dumb imo, i payed mana to put those suckers in face down
and i was thinking about that before bed that kadena basically doesnt interact with half the deck of flash creatures
though discounting morph is really nice because they are quite expensive for what they do mana wise, so kadena would allow me to play a morph card for free then leave mana open and pass to either play a flash creature/flip the morph guy on opponents turns, while chulane just gives more guaranteed draw and some ramp if i can get the land to hand count stuff up
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no morph creatures to set face-down
current count after running through between morph, disguise and manifest is 22 cards that would put creatures in face down
which is what odds, like average 2 in hand by the time i play her, then with lots of drawing because blue things shouldnt be too bad to find more
so yeah im on the fence on the swap to chulane
and after looking through at whites flash and morph stuff its mainly a lot of bounces which this deck doesnt really want, removal which i already have a lot of access to in sultai, or creature buffs which doesnt affect this deck much
and the foretell stuff is similar story to flash and morph, though it would give me access to good board wipes
storm fox
i've only head about it's loops, never seen it in action tho
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looking through scryfall with these keywords right now [[green slime]] is super on brand for this deck
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Creature — Ooze
Flash
When this creature enters, counter target activated or triggered ability from an artifact or enchantment source. If a permanent's ability is countered this way, destroy that permanent.
Foretell (During your turn, you may pay and exile this card from your hand face down. Cast it on a later turn for its foretell cost.)
2/2
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and as far as board wipe options instead of [[bane of the living]] i had stuff in here like [[spectral deluge]] but with my land base i think i only have 8 islands or so, so it would mainly be anti tokens
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Creature — Insect
Morph (You may cast this card face down as a 2/2 creature for . Turn it face up any time for its morph cost.)
When this creature is turned face up, all creatures get -X/-X until end of turn.
4/3
Sorcery
Return each creature your opponents control with toughness X or less to its owner's hand, where X is the number of Islands you control.
Foretell (During your turn, you may pay and exile this card from your hand face down. Cast it on a later turn for its foretell cost.)
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oh this one is cool, copy and removal on one, albiet expensive, card [[callidus assassin]]
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[[dulcet sirens]] is a lil goad stick
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Creature — Siren
, : Target creature attacks target opponent this turn if able.
Morph (You may cast this card face down as a 2/2 creature for . Turn it face up any time for its morph cost.)
What are the orders of a king or the demands of a creed next to such melodies?
1/3
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[[frontline strategist]] would be a cool inclusion for white
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Creature — Human Soldier
Morph (You may cast this card face down as a 2/2 creature for . Turn it face up any time for its morph cost.)
When this creature is turned face up, prevent all combat damage non-Soldier creatures would deal this turn.
1/1
deft belfry
yeah not sure what board clears I wanted that were still fairly effecient, blue ...
direct comparison would be [[black sun zenith]] love the card, never got a good deck out of it
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[[qarsi deciever]] holy shit blue has a mana dork
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Creature — Snake Wizard
: Add . Spend this mana only to cast a face-down creature spell, pay a mana cost to turn a manifested creature face up, or pay a morph cost. (A megamorph cost is a morph cost.)
0/4
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no way thats playable, 3 mana + reveal a blue card for a worse [[gitaxian probe...
but its a [[willbender]] until it is face up lol
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Creature — Human Wizard
Morph (You may cast this card face down as a 2/2 creature for . Turn it face up any time for its morph cost.)
When this creature is turned face up, change the target of target spell or ability with a single target.
1/2
deft belfry
jk, as long as the commander is doing OP things it doesnt matter what morph you use
cold quartz
but its a [[willbender]] until it is face up lol
now your getting it haha
deft belfry
yeah i had more counterspell morph cards but cut some since there were a lot, ar...
the scary part is when it is face up
all their spell cost 1 more to resolve
deft belfry
oh for real? thats dumb imo, i payed mana to put those suckers in face down
🙄 stop cheating with your lands facedown
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[[zoetic cavern]]?
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Land
: Add .
Morph (You may cast this card face down as a 2/2 creature for . Turn it face up any time for its morph cost.)
Nothing lives within it, yet there is life.
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i really wanted to include this just because i thought it owuld be hilarious to turn it face up and have it just be a land
deft belfry
[[dulcet sirens]] is a lil goad stick
not real goad, they can attack you like bident of thessa
deft belfry
i really wanted to include this just because i thought it owuld be hilarious to ...
i would and i have done it
but its bad ramp if thats the intent, since it is 5 mana for a colourless source
there is a powercreep verison with ward 2
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oh yeah no its horrible, the intent to include would be for "funny haha"
deft belfry
unless you really need that extra morph creature for synergy it is worse than the "bad gitixian probe" you call me out on
cold quartz
got me there 😆
deft belfry
whispers: hypocrite
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hahahaha
a card i found right before i went to bed that goes hard in here [[zimone, mystery unraveler]] free placement and free flip and put some in facedown? all star girlie
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deft belfry
if you manage to do the UW god as commander into a morph deck, i would probably be most impressed out of all those options
yeah that one is kinda the most generic and synergistic one
basically mana cost means nothing in that deck and you want all the landfall synergy
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no i mean in the 99, not as commander
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im not a double dipping sick fuck like those landfall simic players
getting benefits for doing the most basic game action
deft belfry
.> but you are half a simic player with that blue part in your heart
cold quartz
ah thats how you show your love , iget it now
deft belfry
yes.... rakdos like pain
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if you manage to do the UW god as commander into a morph deck, i would probably ...
i could but i like my green morph guys and flash guys, i would have to completely retool the deck to like a +1 counters deck with megamorph or something
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i honestly hardly have any in the current list
nevermind i have like 10 out of the 22 😵
deft belfry
well, i am sure you will fine the ones you like
kek
when the "minority" is just below 50%
deft belfry
continues to play victim and claim to be oppressed
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omg is that why white acts like that
deft belfry
if everyone else combine is technically over "minority" thats not the smaller party at all
i really want a B1 Group Hug deck that is there to promote the idea of communism
"OUR creature /OUR cards"
democrasy can be around vote
except every choice is bad
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paging Senator McCarthy we got him boys
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i need to google this name since i dont know real world politics XD
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damn
he was the guy that led the Red Scare in like the 60s during the cold war
was arresting everyone, political opponents, people he didnt like, a ton of actors and actresses
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i am also bicultural Canadian born Chinese
and dont get me into building dictatorship theme deck
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hey i didnt say it
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[[oubielitte]] on theme in every deck
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[[oubliette]]
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honestly thats on me asuming people are americans, very american of me even though ive traveled a fuck ton and should know better
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[[oubliette]]
ah phasing, thats another mechanic like mutate i have to explain to the pod every time
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YGO abridge quote "Go back to your country."
"But this is my country"
"Every country belongs to America"
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YGO abridge quote "Go back to your country."
"But this is my country"
"Every cou...
wait is that fr??
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ah phasing, thats another mechanic like mutate i have to explain to the pod ever...
but do you have the time for that because we maybe [[out of time]]
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thats a fun one
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america deck theme: any form of heal spell is overcosted and unaffordable
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Legendary Artifact Creature — Robot
More Than Meets the Eye (You may cast this card converted for .)
Lifelink
Whenever you gain life, you may convert Ratchet. When you do, return target artifact card with mana value less than or equal to the amount of life you gained this turn from your graveyard to the battlefield tapped.
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Ratchet, Rescue Racer
Legendary Artifact — Vehicle
Living metal (During your turn, this Vehicle is also a creature.)
Lifelink
Whenever one or more nontoken artifacts you control are put into a graveyard from the battlefield, convert Ratchet. This ability triggers only once each turn.
1/4
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include all of the [[invoke prejudice]] as well
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i dont that card will show
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damn the bot doesnt even pull it
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i would want a new art for that card
idc if the effect is errata'ed but i dislike removing some history as if it never happened
i can understand removing the art of official site and stuff to disassociate
but not delete entirely
but wizard sparks enough controverse themselve they dont need a bigger fire
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yeah thats fair
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[[soundwave, sonic spy]] this commander is one of the worst i have built and played
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Legendary Artifact Creature — Robot
More Than Meets the Eye (You may cast this card converted for .)
Whenever one or more creature tokens you control deal combat damage to a player, exile target instant or sorcery card with mana value equal to the damage dealt from their graveyard. Copy it. You may cast the copy without paying its mana cost. If you do, convert Soundwave.
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Soundwave, Superior Captain
Legendary Artifact
Whenever you cast a spell with an odd mana value, convert Soundwave. If you do, create Ravage, a legendary 3/3 black Robot artifact creature token with menace and deathtouch.
Whenever you cast a spell with an even mana value, convert Soundwave. If you do, create Laserbeak, a legendary 2/2 blue Robot artifact creature token with flying and hexproof.
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token > instant sorcery in opponents grave/ mill > combat damage COMBINED total > spell slinger
its 3 and a half hoop to jump through for something so small and insignificant
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oh i misread it and didnt see it was their graveyard, im like how is this that bad
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and i had like 55 unique tokens to keep track of in the deck
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holy fuck
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[[jade monolith]]
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Artifact
: The next time a source of your choice would deal damage to target creature this turn, that source deals that damage to you instead.
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i can technically do combat damage to myself
so i can cast my own path
but yeah that commander suck so much
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i would probably do a fairly generic artifact theme that is then making token copies of op artifacts, uninspired but probably better
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i wanted a fun transformer deck and ofc thats the one i pulled
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and then just have casting something from an opponents yard a fun bonus that only sometimes happens
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hahaha
but yeah after seeing what white would give the deck do you still think its a chulane swap
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but rn i think the B1 deck i want to finish is this
is it the same link or you started a new deck
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same link
you were saying earlier how you thought chulane would be a better commander for it
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is [[sltherwisp]] staying
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again "has flash"
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i see barely any 'face-down'cards
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its about half and half between facedown and flash
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also disguise
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3 manifest
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and just plain manifest, not Mdread
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2 disguise
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i got 8 untagged stuff i wasnt sure i was adding
probably is a bit low and i could get it higher, but im embracing a bit of jank for this one to have both morph and flash in one deck
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[[ixidron]] is a scary nonbo on yourself
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cannot unflip things without morph or put down by face down abilities
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theres cards that let me turn face up, and it would lower the power of opponents boards since on average my flash creatures power and toughness arent very high, so a bit of a nonbo but without playing it i feel like more often than not it favors me
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sounds like i need more draw then 😁
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pretty much
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or cut lands 👀
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i would be turning those mana rocks into land ramp
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yeah the ramp package deffinitely needs some work
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i like this art, it almost looks like an alien
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yeah thats a cool one, fun flavor text too
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[[sublime epiphany]] also doesnt sound very good in this decks current iteration
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with kadena draw and potential flash cast, [[mystic forge]]
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Artifact
You may look at the top card of your library any time.
You may cast artifact spells and colorless spells from the top of your library.
, Pay 1 life: Exile the top card of your library.
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that misses most of the time though no?
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if everything works out, can do everything at instant spell in responds to all triggers
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maybe another [[elven chorus]]effect
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Enchantment
You may look at the top card of your library any time.
You may cast creature spells from the top of your library.
Creatures you control have ": Add one mana of any color."
"A Elbereth Gilthoniel, silivren penna míriel o menel aglar elenath!"
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shuffle > next card on top
cast top > check new top before draw
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is [[zimone, mystery unraveler]] actually that good in this deck since most of the time im not playing more than 1 land a turn?
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it is still going to dig for 2 and put one into play
no synergy with facedown cast you theme wants
yet it can put facedown for free
to flip later
and then kedena drraws
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true, essentially a draw engine on 4 without a second land trigger
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i think the most broken part is how much zimone can put onto the board, for free
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fair point
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and no one realize since they think all the best creatures are etb triggers
a face down [[craterhoof behemoth]] may not be very good, but that face down [[phage the untouchable]]?
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one landfall per turn is the ideal for zimone
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with flash enablers though maybe ok
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you lose the game if you DONT hard cast
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oh yeah thats worse
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from hand as well
there is the scroll of fate
i wanted that with Brago flicker but never got one [[$scroll of fate]]
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[[scroll of fate]]
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Artifact
: Manifest a card from your hand. (Put that card onto the battlefield face down as a 2/2 creature. Turn it face up any time for its mana cost if it's a creature card.)
"Our stories define our reality." —Ugin
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as long as there isnt a [[telepathy]] no one know what the face down could be
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it would be very on theme
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but it is information overload
on theme or not, it tickles your blue player's urge to play it
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do you think i need a 5th flash enabler with [[high fae trickster]]
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no not telepathy, phage
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ohh
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@ being on theme
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make sense
the hidden kill
i dont mind high fae but i dont think flash is the issue ringhtnow
For mana, i think a bird would do better than bloom tender since it fixes mana
in case i am missing the black source for kadena or something
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even though with my commander out its always 3?
i suppose it doesnt help me get my commander out if played before though
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yeah that
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all your permanents arent giving black for vivid
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birds being 15 dollars is wild
how has that not been reprinted enough to be like 10 cents
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can try fit in high fae and test how it works with the redundancy
slitherwisp comes out
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thought i removed slither already
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dont you worry wizard knows what they are doing, if bird is reprinted it will become $30 with newer art
must have not refreshed my broswer
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how do you feel about [[ghastly conscription]]
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depends on how far the game progressed
like, you can get to 7 mana thats not usually the problem
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it doesnt mill my opponents first like the one black card, but they do get put facedown which is cooler
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but it is only effective if used at a point where there are enough creatures in one persons grave for it to matter
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ive deffinitely had a few games where this might only get me like 2 cards on t6-7
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with kadena out, it is worth the massive draw
yeah, i dont believe it is a T6 card
after a boardwipe
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our games lately have been reaching around t9
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or someone playing self mill reanimate
because you can only ensure that the facedown are worth it if it is your OWN creatures
it is basically the worst [[rise of the dark realm]] at a discounted cost
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i wish conscription is an instant
would be so much better
in here you can...
but it may end up being a grave hate piece
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fine with that
thematic but useless
i think i would not run [[mystic subdual]] over the elk or [[song of dryads]]
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[[kenrith s trans]]
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flash is cool, yet not that important
so having hight fae/final word will still give you flash
isnt [[mizzium meddler]] that MDFC weird?
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a thing that works with both ETB and facedown 'flip' would be [[disposition]]
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[[displace]]
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basically what i love about Brago
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i think i would not run [[mystic subdual]] over the elk or [[song of dryads]]
i mean sometimes the flash would be important, and on my turn its still a blue kenriths
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as long as you are willing to sacrifice the draw 1
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for a more thematic inclusion sure
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isnt [[mizzium meddler]] that MDFC weird?
wdym
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a thing that works with both ETB and facedown 'flip' would be [[disposition]]
i wouldnt be able to return them facedown though right so unless im misunderstanding something i dont see the synergy with facedowns
doesnt [[become anonymous]] have more synergy
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Instant
Exile target nontoken creature you own and the top two cards of your library in a face-down pile, shuffle that pile, then cloak those cards. They enter tapped. (To cloak a card, put it onto the battlefield face down as a 2/2 creature with ward . Turn it face up any time for its mana cost if it's a creature card.)
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[[hydroelectric specimen]]
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Creature — Weird
Flash
When this creature enters, you may change the target of target instant or sorcery spell with a single target to this creature.
Whenever the research team stepped out, the specimen emerged to conduct experiments of its own.
1/4
Hydroelectric Laboratory
Land
As this land enters, you may pay 3 life. If you don't, it enters tapped.
: Add .
As long as the scientists were present, the specimen floated patiently or swam quietly about, biding its time, watching.
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i guess mizzium can target aura, mutate (your own) and abilities
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i wouldnt be able to return them facedown though right so unless im misunderstan...
you can scroll of fate your 7 drop
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yeah i see it as like a [[spellskite]]
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and get it face up
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Artifact Creature — Phyrexian Horror
: Change a target of target spell or ability to this creature. ( can be paid with either or 2 life.)
"Let's show Vorinclex that progress doesn't always need teeth or claws." —Malcator, Executor of Synthesis
0/4
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but a morph verison
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some morph doesnt have flip ability
it is essentially how zimone can cheat anything into play
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which card are we talking about
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flicker face down
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also how do you think [[enduring vitality]] runs in this deck, i think it sounds good being able to tap my morphs if i want
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in general
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Enchantment Creature — Elk Glimmer
Vigilance
Creatures you control have ": Add one mana of any color."
When Enduring Vitality dies, if it was a creature, return it to the battlefield under its owner's control. It's an enchantment. (It's not a creature.)
3/3
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does tapping morphs matter
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its [[cryptolith rite]]
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Enchantment
Creatures you control have ": Add one mana of any color."
The chant was incomprehensible, but its power was unmistakable.
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it turns your creatures into bird
i think its fine in a creature deck
giving your spells pesudo convoke isnt bad
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yeah kadena is all creatures for that trigger
😅
congraz you got yourself a precon upgrade
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D:
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facts lol
i mean it is janky so i dont expect it to be really strong
but nor do i want it to be
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maybe instead of crptolith i could have a couple more ways to make my lands tap for more mana?
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hmm
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[[overgrowth]] is a good one since it turns your 4 mana into 3 open mana
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Enchantment — Aura
Enchant land
Whenever enchanted land is tapped for mana, its controller adds an additional .
"Let the forest spread! From salt, stone, and fen, let the new trees rise." —Molimo, maro-sorcerer
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which is just enough to cast a morph, untap 2 morphs
[[fertile ground]] is easy budget mana fixing
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[[yurlock, descrated]]
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i probably would prefer fertile in this deck, theres a lot of blue pips
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[[yorock descreated]]
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and its another 2cmc ramp instead of 3
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[[yarok desecrated]]
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Kill on sight commander and well deserved to be one of them
basically gives you a big body and a second kadena draw trigger
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true..maybe include eover [[nymris]]?
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that one is meh in my book
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yeah i dont care about stuff going to the yard in this deck
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because 5 mana for a 1/6 to maintain cantrip card advantage
the selection is way worse than zimone manifest dread
it was a faerie design theme that sort of failed with nymris
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looking, a lot of my draw is quite expensive, maybe i do want more ramp
but i do have draw on my commander
idk
is [[ixidor, reality sculptor]] on average even discounting anything
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Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
Face-down creatures get +1/+1.
: Turn target face-down creature face up.
"Reality has exiled me. I am no longer bound by its laws."
3/4
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for 5 mana that looks like an easy cut actually
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is [[illithid harvestor]] worth the inclusion
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is that the demon
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[[illithid harvester]]
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i think its okay? if thats the card i am thinking of
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Creature — Horror
Ceremorphosis — When this creature enters, turn any number of target tapped nontoken creatures face down. They're 2/2 Horror creatures.
"Your mind belongs to the Emperor now."
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Plant Tadpoles
Sorcery — Adventure
Tap X target creatures. They don't untap during their controllers' next untap steps. (Then exile this card. You may cast the creature later from exile.)
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oh horror
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the right side, creature is at least an [[ixidron]]
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i guess it has to be tapped creatures
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yeah
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so the innate cost is much higher
if you can use it on yourself to reset
it is a good etb
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or with flash enablers a combat trick
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i think with flash, being able to counter an alpha strike coming your way is very important
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its quitee expensive cmc though
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if you have flash kadena is giving you 12 generic mana refunded from morph
two big spell in one and on theme, i dont think it is worth the cut atm
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with that type of card if i do the sorcery i can play the creature but if i do the creature i can not do the sorcery correct? i always forget with these ones
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advanture side first
on resolve, it exiles
which can then be cast as creature/whatever right side is
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ive deffinitely played these wrong before 😅
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then it lose the other side unless you can bounce it
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and thats kinda why i think [[scroll of fate]] [[crystal shard]] are so fun for me
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Artifact
: Manifest a card from your hand. (Put that card onto the battlefield face down as a 2/2 creature. Turn it face up any time for its mana cost if it's a creature card.)
"Our stories define our reality." —Ugin
Artifact
, or , : Return target creature to its owner's hand unless its controller pays .
The vedalken know it is not of this world, so they know that this world is not the only one.
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i have to reveal my face down leaving the field
but once i have multiple in hand, i can shuffle my hand and start putting them back out one at a time
note that you do have to let your opponent know which one came in which turn
so it would never get confused with one that was already out on board
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if you have flash kadena is giving you 12 generic mana refunded from morph
how is it refunding? kedana is first face down and im not casting them face down
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maybe im brain lagging rn but i still dont see it
oh are you talking about with crystal shard
the reply was referring to when we were talking about illithid
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isnt that the point of [[high fae trickster]] + [[kedana slinking sorcerer]]
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Legendary Creature — Snake Wizard Sorcerer
The first face-down creature spell you cast each turn costs less to cast.
Whenever a face-down creature you control enters, draw a card.
"The only constant in life is the unknown."
3/3
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i expect you to have your engine on
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yes
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commander + flash enabler + one of the many face down for 
creatures
then keep hand size
rise and repeat every turn
3 x 4 = 12
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oh your counting the reflip as the discount
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those are free cast, so you should have mana open for flip
then once flipped you got the full value, can bounce, and recast for free, kadena draws again
if not flipped you can still bounce just to draw with kadena
trail of mystery is like a draw with a guarantee basic
[[on the trail]] if you want that extra land drop
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commander + flash enabler + one of the many face down for <:mana3:75043103077905...
no im not talking about [[crystal shard]] im referring to [[illithid harvester]]
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Artifact
, or , : Return target creature to its owner's hand unless its controller pays .
The vedalken know it is not of this world, so they know that this world is not the only one.
Creature — Horror
Ceremorphosis — When this creature enters, turn any number of target tapped nontoken creatures face down. They're 2/2 Horror creatures.
"Your mind belongs to the Emperor now."
4/4
Plant Tadpoles
Sorcery — Adventure
Tap X target creatures. They don't untap during their controllers' next untap steps. (Then exile this card. You may cast the creature later from exile.)
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harvester also has ETB
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yes but you said illithid harvester discounts, before you brought up the crystal shard
which is what i was confused by
deft belfry
if you have flash kadena is giving you 12 generic mana refunded from morph
this?
deft belfry
thats the mana from casting morphs for free
it doesnt actually create mana
lands are your main mana sources
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ok ok i think i understand now, so the 'discount' is referring to not have to bounce to put them facedown again
i see it
yeah it was some major brain lag
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well with crystal shard in, now we went up to 105 😅
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what about in the trail XD
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[[trail of mystery]]?
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[[in the trail]]
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oo, i do kinda like that over trail of mystery
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golgari charm is whatever
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really, i find enchantment removal is almost a nessecity in my pod, and has the mode to instead save my bacon from a board wipe
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5 drop curve looks so high rn
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yeah facts
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[[!golgari charm]]
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some of that though is from me changing mana values of morph creatures to be the cost to play and turn face up
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never liked it, i guess thats a meta game pick for you
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really, i guess it is a meta inclusion because it wreaks a lot of token strats early too
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[[aphetto runecaster]] seems slow to me
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and sometimes kills mana dorks
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flip trigger draw, commander and beast whisperer already 4 drops that draw on etb
and double trigger with yarock
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oppo agent is just another meta pick and GC filler?
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with the commander being hte main engine it seems like i want a fuck ton of protection for it
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i only run removals that get around indestructible
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and with 2/2 morph creatures that are vulnerable af
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regenerate is useless unless i am up against someone who run normal white destroy wipes
enchantment removal there is the generic beast within
i dont have enough golgari decks that cares about playing instant to have that synergy
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it removes combat damage as well so i can chump block a big boy and still keep my creatures
regenerate i feel has saved me almost every time ive drawn that effect
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the fog aspect is about the best it offers me and i probably need it some games
i am just the one who face tank until i die
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the fog aspect is about the best it offers me and i probably need it some games
and turns out fogs are pretty good
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but not fog with just fog
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idk i highly rate fogs
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[[tangle]] is one of the best fog
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i think if i can kill with golgari charm
i would like it a lot more
the -1 is just too small
if golgari plays more like izzet
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thats deffinitely its weakest mode
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in a non infinite combo deck using this
i think it would be fun
i would run it with nix mizz supreme double cast from jumpstart
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oppo agent is just another meta pick and GC filler?
yeah pretty much, comes up so often with fetch lands, ramp spells, tutors etc
and is a GC thats kind of on theme with the flash
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i cry with my terra morphic
jk i dont run that for B3
normally...
forgot to change deathmist raptor mana cost
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i only run removals that get around indestructible
yeah thats why i have [[resculpt]] in the 99
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without etb focus , draining whelk cost too much
dang brine elemental cost so much
idk if you can flip it normally
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thats what i feel about deathmist raptor after changing it lol
thats a crazy megamorph cost on it
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without etb focus , draining whelk cost too much
yeah true
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dang brine elemental cost so much
yeah its so expensive, maybe too much, but it is each opponent which kind of goes hard
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i think without the obvious goodie would be the easy cut
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yeah its so expensive, maybe too much, but it is each opponent which kind of goe...
ptoentially ends up being 30+ mana that doesnt untap, which could happen often in my games where they love their green
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i can run the deck without opposition agent would mean the deck is stronger when it has room for it
so much flip gives too many decision
its going to fry your brain 😅
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honestly, i love that aspect of it
my favorite decks are the ones that i really have to think about and have so many decisions to make
its why henzie wasnt my favorite, its essentially, play creatures, get value
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thats at least giving me 5 landfall triggers
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nothing beats using your opponents plan against them
i mean it does cost at least 5 mana for one thing
ivy avg curve is like 1.8 on the high end
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this you can do in ivy maybe
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if you do want to cut a protection piece i feel [[gift of doom]]would be the cut over [[wrap in vigor]]
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Enchantment — Aura
Enchant creature
Enchanted creature has deathtouch and indestructible.
Morph—Sacrifice another creature. (You may cast this card face down as a 2/2 creature for . Turn it face up any time for its morph cost.)
As this Aura is turned face up, you may attach it to a creature.
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😢 b..but i like gift of doom
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so do i!
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true they are better together
deft belfry
39 creatures still?
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looks to be that way
maybe it is brine elemental
if they d ont untap its not like im winning the game on the spot
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nah i would keep elemental for at least a game
i would have cut the good stuff like a GC
idk whats your win con tbf
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yeah i could see [[notion thief]] being a cut
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my table isnt that draw heavy
again it was a gc that fit the theme
it would be a fair cut, sometimes it does nothing, other times i might draw 10
and with this deck i probably would rather want to turn off their draw engines so if i did that then drew this it would feel real bad
so maybe 15% of the time it goes crazy, deffinitely scales up with the pod, and mine isnt there
i still think [[deathmist raptor]] probably deserves a cut, i dont really have ways to get it to the yard which is what it wants
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Creature — Dinosaur Beast
Deathtouch
Whenever a permanent you control is turned face up, you may return this card from your graveyard to the battlefield face up or face down.
Megamorph (You may cast this card face down as a 2/2 creature for . Turn it face up any time for its megamorph cost and put a +1/+1 counter on it.)
3/3
deft belfry
make sense
cold quartz
which puts us to 101
deft belfry
how is this goldfishing
cold quartz
havent yet
lemee do a few
land count seems fine, could maybe use a couple more ramp
with morph it has a lot of flexibility on playing stuff opening turns even if it doesnt do something immediately
deft belfry
,because of that, i dont think your curve is anywhere near that high
cold quartz
Yeah not really, maybe I should put them back to normal since I have the commander discount or just change them to the cost to flip? Idk thr best way to really look at the curve for it
deft belfry
i would cut anything that you ONLY want face down by the commander reduction
in case there is something you would hard cast
it has that madness effect in Anje, where everything becomes cantrip
cold quartz
[[brine elemental]] fits that description
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Creature — Elemental
Morph 
(You may cast this card face down as a 2/2 creature for . Turn it face up any time for its morph cost.)
When this creature is turned face up, each opponent skips their next untap step.
Water calls to water, and the world is left exhausted and withered in its wake.
5/4
deft belfry
you mean 90% of the morphs XD
cold quartz
😄
welcome to morph decks
oh i can morph this counterspelel for 5 mana, or just play counterspell
which is why i need all the protection
[[thieving amalgam]] is dummy expensive, but it does draw me 3 cards each go around, i dont have a way to discount it or cheat it out though
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deft belfry
3 card draw + 3 facedown creature
and +2 life drain
scroll + flip with zimone/ i would add the mdfc [[malakir rebirth]]
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Instant
Choose target creature. You lose 2 life. Until end of turn, that creature gains "When this creature dies, return it to the battlefield tapped under its owner's control."
"Those who fail to escape Malakir become part of the city's defense." —Doros, expedition guide
Malakir Mire
Land
This land enters tapped.
: Add .
"Getting into Malakir isn't difficult. It's getting out that's the hard part." —Doros, expedition guide
cold quartz
oh what board clear could i replace [[bane of the living]] with
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Creature — Insect
Morph (You may cast this card face down as a 2/2 creature for . Turn it face up any time for its morph cost.)
When this creature is turned face up, all creatures get -X/-X until end of turn.
4/3
deft belfry
[[extinction event]]?
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deft belfry
[[aethersnap]]?
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cold quartz
i would prefer instant speed but exile is really nice
its probably that or a blue bounce for instant speed
or both
deft belfry
[[zimone hypothesis]]
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deft belfry
bouncing face down is not a bad thing with kadena recast draw
maybe destroy is fine with you? since you can make it onesided with your own protection
cold quartz
https://scryfall.com/card/dsc/15/zimones-hypothesis
zimone is interesting
at that point could maybe do [[evacuation]]
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cold quartz
or [[flood of tears]] to get my commander back out
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cold quartz
i dont like my bounces being sorcery speed very much though
ok i got down to 100..could it be worth to drop a land for another ramp piece
deft belfry
flood is fine since you can set up first
and land ramp vs mana rock, your bounce hardly hurt you
remember, you have like 4 pieces of flash enabler
your sorcery spells are going to be instant
cold quartz
6 actually, i forgot about [[alchemists refuge]]
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Land
: Add .
, : You may cast spells this turn as though they had flash.
Persecuted alchemists fled deep into Kessig's wilds, seeking solitude to continue their ghoulish craft.
deft belfry
can even protect one of them with flood
i didnt count teferi since that one is creatures only
cold quartz
ah, then 5
deft belfry
👍
as much as i want to play alchemist refuge, i somehow dont have a deck that uses it well
[[$alchemist refuge]]
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deft belfry
its like 80cents i didnt want to spend 😅
deft belfry
yeah, instead of waste, i feel like all the colourless deck should be running 95% utility lands
wicked gust
Anyone have good ideas for creatures in rakdos colors that can be turned into hasty +1/+1 countered fake vampire attackers via this beauty?
deft belfry
[[grave titan]]
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deft belfry
now that [[rising of the day]] is in the game
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deft belfry
oliva is pretty weak in the command zone just for haste
or i should say, haste by itself is just one of the weaker keyword abilities since it is limited to tap activate: and attack
so i guess you do want some strong vampire support to make it do something nice
Etali that only triggers on attack is a nice one, but the CMC at 6 do make those things harder to play on curve
deft belfry
maybe there are some [[metallic mimic]] infinite that fits the bill?
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deft belfry
Anyone have good ideas for creatures in rakdos colors that can be turned into ha...
do you own [[avabruck caretaker]] i think this beats the rhino for mass +1 counters
wicked gust
do you own [[avabruck caretaker]] i think this beats the rhino for mass +1 count...
I do its in a slapped together werewolf and wolf tribal [[tovolar]]
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deft belfry
how well does the card work? because nightbound is so bad as a mechanic for game play
and if you ever find the right jank deck with doing lot of damage cough obosh cough [[Spiteful repossession]] would be so fun [[rain of filth]]
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Instant
Until end of turn, lands you control gain "Sacrifice this land: Add ."
"When I say it rained, it was not small drops, but a thick, greasy drool pouring from the heavens." —Urza, journal
deft belfry
[[mayhem devil]] is trigger happy
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Legendary Creature — Hellion Horror
Companion — Your starting deck contains only cards with odd mana values and land cards. (If this card is your chosen companion, you may put it into your hand from outside the game for as a sorcery.)
If a source you control with an odd mana value would deal damage to a permanent or player, it deals double that damage to that permanent or player instead.
3/5
deft belfry
i think it does make the evasive haste creature much stronger
with enough deaths [[blade of bloodchief]] and
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Artifact — Equipment
Whenever a creature dies, put a +1/+1 counter on equipped creature. If equipped creature is a Vampire, put two +1/+1 counters on it instead.
Equip
deft belfry
counter synergy yeah i know rakdos doesnt do that too well [[unspeakable symbol]]
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deft belfry
the potential of doing some big things is possible
card draw for the discard will the struggle
you do have [[squee nabob goblin]]
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deft belfry
wtf [[Squee goblin Nabob]]
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deft belfry
and ofc to make 3/3 stat do something, red deck wins philosophy would probably do efficient damage with [[hero's blade]] for the sustainable power boost
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +3/+2.
Whenever a legendary creature you control enters, you may attach this Equipment to it.
Equip (: Attach to target creature you control. Equip only as a sorcery.)
The best swords are forged with dragonfire.
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deft belfry
first card i mentioned spiteful repossession is the only card i dont own if i want to put together a list
deft belfry
[[wolverine riders]] spiked with all the elf precon upgrades, lucky you if you already own one
wicked gust
how well does the card work? because nightbound is so bad as a mechanic for game...
My wife used to use her as sa pure vamp tribal deck. It won a few times against my decks either by going ham out the gate or me letting her win, it's honestly good
wicked gust
[[wolverine riders]] spiked with all the elf precon upgrades, lucky you if you a...
I had that elf deck by chance from those Walmart mystery commander cubes, but didn't have the commander, luckily I had one of those lotr tins that had an etch foil of her so
deft belfry
scryfall search id<=RB (o:"enters or attack") something like that
cold quartz
mon i threw together an ephara deck but instead of morph i focused on flash and i might make zimone into my morph deck and just kind of seperate the themes into two decks because i dont really have many black cards in the kadena list, but i need to cut two cards to get down to 100, not sure what, and also could be tuned a bit - thoughts?
https://moxfield.com/decks/LYLEshRG3UCecc_rq3TRpg
deft belfry
turning commander into value draw engine is sort of important, but the list do seems more restrictive than i imagined
deft belfry
having to cast the spell means you dont really gain extra cards in the end
it just turn each fairy into cantrip
cold quartz
what do you mean by restrictive, like the coniditions to activate the commanders draw? i agree i dont love the current list, very V1.0 but not sure where to take it from here
cold quartz
having to cast the spell means you dont really gain extra cards in the end
yeah thats why i still have like 12 forms of draw in the deck
wicked gust
I totally forgot I been wanting to finish this deck for my list of all color combos...I dont have a abzan deck and this built I did is fun but I need a lot of cuts https://moxfield.com/decks/fy8-rv4qq0u4MJP_mU0L9w
deft belfry
what do you mean by restrictive, like the coniditions to activate the commanders...
pretty much, and the payoff is not better than [[Alela, Cunning Conqueror]]
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deft belfry
i cant say the direction is wrong but would want a mixed of alternative ways to get the trigger without using a card in hand
or having to spend all open mana
base line is [[Whitemane Lion]] [[Saltskitter]] so 2 mana for a card draw on the next upkeep
deft belfry
if the initial cost of ephara is 4 cmc
then every draw after than having to pay more than 2 mana is going to add up, unless the game goes slow enough
and then it leads to the part where card draw isnt exactly a game plan, so what comes after
removal* ... can talk about much later as well. i wouldnt do farewell when i have an indestructible enchantment god on my side
for that precon with poison i will have to check out some corrupted cards first before getting bad
would swap redundancy tho
cold quartz
Yeah that all makes sense, and yeah a dedicated fairy commander in dimir would for sure work better but I want to try to do it in UW, for now at least
Yeah I'd like to get whitemane in here but I have so few etbs
Fairie without having access to black looks a lot more underwhelming than I thought they would but they do mostly have flash at least which is nice
It does feel more restrictive than I thought it would too going into it, fairie stuff isn't why I liked flash creatures I was just tired and wanted a 100 card deck but I might end up changing it a lot today and dropping fairies or something, idk, I want an "all" flash deck to win differently than bunch of bodies, overrun
deft belfry
did you see the thing that gives angels flash i think it is white and one other colour, the blue white one i remember gives historic spells flash
and the best way for me to rephase "restrictive" is like too harsh of a condition placed on yourself, such as a commander that is not doing anything so it need more powerful cards to compensate for its inadequacies
i dont think thats necessary true for this commander particularly, but it has its limit
since i dont like to play generic cards in most of my decks, i generally prefer a commander with a flexible build around and impactful enough so i can focus less cards on making it work
[[council of four]]
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deft belfry
second spell gives you creature and is easy enough to trigger the draw
but obviously not the flash theme
if you start the game with leyline anticipantion, technically the rest of the deck doesnt matter since everything is flash now
i think it was one eps of shark tank mtggoldfish where it was seths card. he talked about how flash allows you to draw pass, give a sense of fear to your table as you hide unknown information in your hand
in other words, the power of instant speed isnt just doing things at a better timing, but being able to give a sense of interactivity even when you may not have the right removal
can bluff your way out a bit, [[elvish piper]] might be giving a similar effect
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Creature — Elf Shaman
, : You may put a creature card from your hand onto the battlefield.
"From Gaea grew the world, and the world was silent. From Gaea grew the world's elves, and the world was silent no more." —Elvish teaching
1/1
deft belfry
"attack me and you will eat shit on the way out"
deft belfry
I totally forgot I been wanting to finish this deck for my list of all color com...
one of that being the "end step target" can only target so many things so the more you have; especially on the field, the less "synergy" you will get back
wicked gust
one of that being the "end step target" can only target so many things so the mo...
So best to do the ones that can do them quicker?
deft belfry
not necessary, it depends on the timing (too dodge removal), game length (#of times the repeated effect couldhappen), and scaling (incoming boardwipes that kills all the token it made)
commander curving out on 5 mana , means that teleport circle is can come down a turn before and get the effect off right away
although after a single boardwipe it is better to have other things with etb to get value
so you are not forced to pay tax and hard cast commander
and the initial stats of [[vishgraz doomhive]] being a 3/3 is very low for a 5 drop. unless there are already poison on your opponents, it is 6 power split among 4 bodies
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deft belfry
the biggest diffe between toxic and infect is that toxic doesnt get the out of nowhere buff. The most important part is having both combat damage AND poison stack on a the same time, on a commander there is ofc commander damage to
in other words, Vishgraz is going for Triple win/lose cons on an opponent
to keep its +1/+1 buff, you want the table to stay alive with lot of poison counters (not efficient but thats just raw stats on your biggest creature)
although i said "triple" ways to make someone lose, it is ultimately battlecruiser so combat damage matters
utility is just ways to help, which is not really more efficient than say [[giant growth]] combat trick
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deft belfry
its about piling on the damage before the opponent can react or build back up
a mix of go wide + voltron while not having the blockers when you get focused
from there, you can determine whenever you want the long game grind or the faster aggro before the control deck outscales
rn i think the deck is so focused on having the commander and playing it/spamming its etb, it doesnt have the synergy without Vishgraz out
23 cards say tokens but there are less than 10 cards that create token in the deck including Vishgraz
in the case where the doubler is [[!elspeth storm slayer]] there are actually not very many good blockers other than the commander itself
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deft belfry
ofc if this one stays around, i doubt anything matters
i would probably add [[kambal, profitteering]]
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deft belfry
the first effect can get so much value from your opponent or even your beast within giving you more tokens in return
and just saw a ruling interaction here, may consider adding this along with it [[wedding ring]] [[panharmonica]]
deft belfry
the funning thing is that you can now marry two opponent with panhar and/or get a second ring with Kambal
what a wonderful polygamous love triangle 🥰 🤣
tall willow
Just cobbled this deck together out of cards I owned, and I know that I need more recursion, card draw, and to cut the "fake your own death" effects
deft belfry
what set have you been buying from, just to get a reference point of card you may already own
keyrune i can overlook but i would definite take out the diamonds
locket is pretty bad too
but let say you end up with X # of whatever ramp
whats the reason behind ramping when the commander is a 2 drop
to cast the big spells in the 99
or if you have to recast commander with tax etc
for now i can ignore the ramp and mana base for a bit
i see quite a few removal effects (and the commander is technically a removal ability too)
some singles will need to be purchased to find that exact synergy
[[nesting ground]] is a cheap reprinted utility land
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Land
: Add .
, : Move a counter from target permanent you control onto a second target permanent. Activate only as a sorcery.
Dappled coats become armored hides. Soft jaws become razor tusks. Nestling play becomes the fight for survival.
deft belfry
overall focus needs to be on your "game winning creature" in the 99
otherwise it just becomes a single thing trying to swing through with flying and the lifelink hopefully keeps you live long enough
i can see something do along side [[norn;s choirmaster]] filigree vector too expensive and [[metastatic evangel]]
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Artifact
This artifact enters with two +1/+1 counters on it.
: Move a +1/+1 counter from this artifact onto target creature you control. Activate only as a sorcery.
Whenever a modified creature you control leaves the battlefield, put a +1/+1 counter on this artifact. (Equipment, Auras you control, and counters are modifications.)
deft belfry
set so bad that those cards are good mechanically but unpopular so the price may never go up by much
spread counters, proliferate
fun card, although i am not sure if this helps you all that much
what the deck lacks is enough "Creatures" that cares about flying counter and/or downside to negate
tall willow
overall focus needs to be on your "game winning creature" in the 99
The focus is a mix of strong ETBs to blink and efficient creatures to make into powerful beaters