i have not
#REVERSED! (EDH) Assistance!
deft belfry
avishkar raceway is usually skipped unless you are desperate for maxspeed/start the engine
there are 1/1 creatures that gets start the engine
i dont think any start the engine payoff is especially good but like the speed demon vibe i mention i feel like it is somewhat fiting
mechanically; speed counter is awful
storm fox
mechanically; speed counter is awful
agree on this
its too slow for a mechanic called "speed"
deft belfry
"Took so long to get to the point my dad joke became a grandpa joke" type of moment
technically 0 velocity is still speed
inb4 i make a dumb wrong statement
storm fox
[[the fire crystal]] does like everything i would want in the deck
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Legendary Artifact
Red spells you cast cost 
less to cast.
Creatures you control have haste.
, 
: Create a token that's a copy of target creature you control. Sacrifice it at the beginning of the next end step.
"Warriors of Light...Only you can restore hope to the world, for yours is the light that can balance out the darkness..."
deft belfry
true
so prehaps atsushi is like the early game engine
the payoff is actually AFTER it dies
that 7-8 drop bomb would be majestic
storm fox
i could add a few of those, multiple copies could in theory make a lot of treasures
deft belfry
but if you are willing to play blue clones
red has more insane cloning effects
scryfall should have a tag for clones or just do oracle search for "create" "token" "target creature"
i have most of them for my [[the master multiplied]] build but definitely dont have the most expensive one from big score\
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storm fox
red has more insane cloning effects
i saw some clone effect in creature abilities on the edhrec page, i'll take a look in that scryfall page, maybe i'll add a bunch of those
deft belfry
from 2 mana and up
storm fox
how do i search for tags in scryfall tho?
deft belfry
perhaps the coinflip ones are too chaotic
function has too many page to read let me check if otag:clone is one of them
id<=R
for text can do o:"insert keyphrase in here"
deft belfry
problem was that they didnt tag tokens as "clones"
since [[Clone]] is technically a card mechanic and not a sorcery create token
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deft belfry
google gave me the right one
o:copy
i think one of those decks can definite try [[ghost vacuum]]
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Artifact
: Exile target card from a graveyard.
, , Sacrifice this artifact: Put each creature card exiled with this artifact onto the battlefield under your control with a flying counter on it. Each of them is a 1/1 Spirit in addition to its other types. Activate only as a sorcery.
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storm fox
[[mirror march]] yet to get a token out of this card
i'll run it and get a token for you then
deft belfry
😥 yeah i took two counterspells from the side players who were both single life digit
lesson for playing red, if you cant afford getting counterspelled, counter the counterspell removal with your own form of removal, as known as Player removal.
storm fox
lesson for playing red, if you cant afford getting counterspelled, counter the c...
i had already added both pyroblast and Red elemental blast to the deck
also tibalts trickery
deft belfry
i think esp true become red is very simple minded for mechanics and average play pattern
your game plan is revealed very quickly so it become predictable
storm fox
run [[possibility storm]] and nobody guess what you will do next
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deft belfry
but it doesnt fix the major weakness of red and the same aspect where blue has over red, card draw
even in the rare case a red player has 3 counterspells ready in hand, the blue player is likely to have 4 ready
deft belfry
run [[possibility storm]] and nobody guess what you will do next
yes thats the [[rowan scion of war]] i plan on doing for tonight
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Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
Menace
: Spells you cast this turn that are black and/or red cost 
less to cast, where X is the amount of life you lost this turn. Activate only as a sorcery.
"No more days withering at a negotiating table with my brother. I will rebuild Eldraine myself—the old way, with power."
4/2
deft belfry
trying to find my [[rug of smoothering]] to put in there
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storm fox
trying to find my [[rug of smoothering]] to put in there
interesting tactic
deft belfry
btw green tech before we get there [[new frontiers]] [[veterab explorer]] and watch them cry with [[the trepanation blade trigger]]
deft belfry
[[trepanation blade]]
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Artifact — Equipment
Whenever equipped creature attacks, defending player reveals cards from the top of their library until they reveal a land card. The creature gets +1/+0 until end of turn for each card revealed this way. That player puts the revealed cards into their graveyard.
Equip 
deft belfry
when the "group hug" turns out to be a trap XD
i am still trying to find a good way to use [[weird harvest]]
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deft belfry
the balance patch of a broken game "For this version, we decided to make everything broken, so that nothing is broken. everything has been fixed. "
some B1 level jank Tutor
inb4 that uncounterable windfall comes in
storm fox
i am still trying to find a good way to use [[weird harvest]]
have them tutor for their creatures and play them out, then you steal them
deft belfry
i mean [[insurrection]] was one of the most famous win con from a decade ago
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deft belfry
but most of the time, i think the creatures are too high cost to be played so they actually get stuck in hand
they are so confused and not sure what to take, or take what they need
storm fox
in a discard reanimator shell?
deft belfry
the pressure from the table watching each other tutor makes them thing not taking advantage of the tutor is a bad idea
storm fox
yup
deft belfry
potentially, if they have no mana or limited cards to play, extra things will end up in grave
or some weird cards that interact with opponents with big hand size
storm fox
but most of the time, i think the creatures are too high cost to be played so th...
in a [[yurlok]] shell they wont
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Legendary Creature — Lizard Shaman
Vigilance
A player losing unspent mana causes that player to lose that much life.
, : Each player adds 
.
The gifts of Jund never come without a price.
4/4
deft belfry
i was thinking [[winter, antro]]
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Criatura legendaria — Brujo humano
Rebatir .
Al comienzo de tu mantenimiento, cada jugador roba dos cartas.
Delirio — Mientras entre las cartas de tu cementerio haya cuatro o más tipos de cartas, el tamaño máximo de la mano de cada oponente es igual a siete menos la cantidad de esos tipos de cartas.
3/4
deft belfry
[[Winter, Mis Antro]]
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Criatura legendaria — Brujo humano
Rebatir .
Al comienzo de tu mantenimiento, cada jugador roba dos cartas.
Delirio — Mientras entre las cartas de tu cementerio haya cuatro o más tipos de cartas, el tamaño máximo de la mano de cada oponente es igual a siete menos la cantidad de esos tipos de cartas.
3/4
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Legendary Creature — Human Warlock
Ward
At the beginning of your upkeep, each player draws two cards.
Delirium — As long as there are four or more card types among cards in your graveyard, each opponent's maximum hand size is equal to seven minus the number of those card types.
3/4
storm fox
that ain't french, think it's spanish
deft belfry
every other french i dont understand is french
storm fox
fair
deft belfry
dont speak frenglish
can only speak the "-nese"
(Family guy reference)
bad at that since i dont actually watch it
but you get the idea so i wont explain
storm fox
bad at that since i dont actually watch it
same here
storm fox
but you get the idea so i wont explain
yeah
why is like a almost all of the copy stuff thats on creatures like cmc > 5
deft belfry
can rearrange with cmc order
storm fox
im almost through at this point tho
storm fox
i am going to my LGS so bye for now
gl
storm fox
i think i'm happy with the amount of treasures and card "draw" the deck has now, tho i do think i need more ways of making him big for finishing out games
empty bison
i am going to my LGS so bye for now
Did you dominate?
deft belfry
it was 2 headed giant night and i matched the power with my janks and a more focused deck, every game i am able to do what my deck is meant to do and 2/3 games are very close. Was able to bait out all the counterspell from reading my opponent although i can sense a small amount of salt coming from it. Not my problem tho
would be cooler if my partner and i knew to put decks together ahead of time but it was kinda a last minute thing, it still turned out pretty good. proliferate + counter synergy is really good together
was one turn away from the [[lure]] + [[dead iron slege]] and alpha strike lethal but got KKO'ed before it happened
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Artifact — Equipment
Whenever equipped creature blocks or becomes blocked by a creature, destroy both creatures.
Equip (: Attach to target creature you control. Equip only as a sorcery.)
deft belfry
the green board wipe XD
wicked gust
I need some advice and cuts on another silly deck Idea I had for selesnya, cats with bigger Claws (equipment) https://moxfield.com/decks/K3nwAH63hkCWGqLYqU2mXA
Ignore the wastes they are placeholders
It's weird how many cats want to be equipped
Also a surprising amount of flying cats, along with big Butts and vigilance
deft belfry
will look at it when i got time, i hope you know the card [[hot soup]]
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature can't be blocked.
Whenever equipped creature is dealt damage, destroy it.
Equip 
(: Attach to target creature you control. Equip only as a sorcery.)
"Comin' through!" Designed by James Ernest
deft belfry
not even sacrifice, so the hammer indestructible is relevant
sonic arrow
How many dragons in a deck before its good to start adding dragon cost reducers like Dragonlord's Servant, [[Dragonspeaker Shaman]], Urza's Inbubator etc?
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Creature — Human Barbarian Shaman
Dragon spells you cast cost less to cast.
"We speak the dragons' language of flame and rage. They speak our language of fury and honor. Together we shall weave a tale of destruction without equal."
2/2
deft belfry
depends on certain things, how efficient you want the deck to be, because cost reducers are essentially ramp, and certain number of ramps (~15) is where you will almost 'guarantee' to see at least X+ per game) etc. If it is a tribal deck, it often means there are a minimum of 25 and usually over 30 or 1/3 (33) of the deck to get that creature type synergy going
and then once you figure out what you can get within your budget, number of cards of similar/ redundant ability, and balance between other category to make the deck run smoothly, you put all the numbers into the hypergeometric calculator and get your ideal ratio
whats your commander's curve and how many lands are you running would be my question for you
if the commander is a dragon, then technically with 0 dragons in the 99 you still got yourself a restrictive ramp for that creature [[morophon, faceless]]
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Legendary Creature — Shapeshifter
Changeling (This card is every creature type.)
As Morophon enters, choose a creature type.
Spells of the chosen type you cast cost 
less to cast. This effect reduces only the amount of colored mana you pay.
Other creatures you control of the chosen type get +1/+1.
6/6
deft belfry
[[urza incubator]] is amazing in tribal, but unless it is used more than once, it is technically going to be worse than [[worn power stone]] where you can cast non typal spell
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Artifact
As this artifact enters, choose a creature type.
Creature spells of the chosen type cost less to cast.
"Our recruitment drives are bringing in fewer fresh troops every day. We need a new strategy." —Urza, to Tawnos
Artifact
This artifact enters tapped.
: Add 
.
Even a fragment of a powerstone contains within it not just energy, but space—vast dimensions trapped in fragile crystal.
deft belfry
and ramp/draw both has the "scaling" where more of itself will increase the value of other ramp/draw
like turn 2 ramp into T3 4mana ramp again
deft belfry
I need some advice and cuts on another silly deck Idea I had for selesnya, cats ...
is it just GW cat and equipments, or there is other restriction i dont see
it runs almost all the swords of X & Y
wicked gust
It's more a theme than restrictions, just seemed a fun idea to me for cat tribal
Especially as I said before a lot of cats want to be equipped or have vig/Flying and big butts
deft belfry
perhaps Kaheera can go to your companion zone instead and free up a slot
[[behemoth sledge]][[giant hammer]] cannot be equiped onto something with Pro Green
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +2/+2 and has trample and lifelink.
Equip
Those who worship the great gargantuans could hardly be expected to fight with a subtle weapon.
Creature — Giant Warrior
: This creature deals 4 damage to each creature without flying and each player.
"Oh sure, they buy a lot of ale, but I always find myself needing to rebuild after the giants have paid a visit." —Belko, owner of Titan's Keg tavern
5/4
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature has base power and toughness 10/10.
Equip 
. This ability costs less to activate, where X is the power of the creature it targets.
wicked gust
perhaps Kaheera can go to your companion zone instead and free up a slot
I didnt even think of that, I don't have a companion deck
deft belfry
XD lol
wicked gust
[[behemoth sledge]][[giant hammer]] cannot be equiped onto something with Pro Gr...
I know it be more for the commander
deft belfry
i want to build every companion someday
wicked gust
I never had one so lol
deft belfry
personally i would actually cut sword of hearth and home
wicked gust
How do I do companion on mox?
deft belfry
as much as i love using it, i use it in decks that doesnt have green ramp
at 5 mana for a land it is kinda a lot
and with equiped creatures you dont have good things to bounce
and with the nombo pro green, it doesnt look that good to me here
i think mox let you click on the card
choose to set as companion
card quality wise i am sure you can somewhat objectively figure out which sword you like/want to play/best fit/power level
from the spoiled [[sword of sinew and steel]] as much as red and black are my favourite colour combination... that sword is kinda bad most games
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +2/+2 and has protection from black and from red.
Whenever equipped creature deals combat damage to a player, destroy up to one target planeswalker and up to one target artifact.
Equip
wicked gust
Sort of
deft belfry
[[neutralize]] would have makde it so much better, since black didnt have emchantment removal for the longest time
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Instant
Counter target spell.
Cycling (, Discard this card: Draw a card.)
On Ikoria, reactive magic can make the difference between barely grazed and really dead.
wicked gust
Also I realize if I set the companion I loose slot of good equipment support
deft belfry
and planewalkers just doesnt survive in multiplayer in general
wait wrong card name again
wicked gust
[[Naturalize]]
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deft belfry
[[naturalize]]?
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deft belfry
ah yea
the OG green disenchant
now green is just keep getting powercreep of that
i think ever since fire and ice, feast and famine era
lot of the new swords are getting the weaken-creep treatment
deft belfry
but thats just my rant (a bit on flavour too) i think the youtuber Blood artist
drew a vid on the swords
very fair assessment
what are some of the "Must Have" equipments in here
even if i assume you own them all and disregard budget/power level
what is it that you want to play the most
wicked gust
Uh good question
deft belfry
if you want everything to be super unique, i would have bad new for you 😅 because i would probably cut down to a third of the generic good stuff that can appear in every deck
wicked gust
Probably kaldra, Heirloom blade, Excalibur, Buster, and maybe Colossus
Heirloom blade works too well on a deck like this
deft belfry
so even hammer of nazahm is not a must have?
wicked gust
Oh it obviously is lol
deft belfry
ah ok
wicked gust
I assumed the guy named nazahn have his hammer
deft belfry
or does he
deft belfry
XD yeah its a funny card, cheap both $ and mana with flavour text everything
wicked gust
I figured Hearth and Home beop in a deck like this as it blinks the commander for the etb search for an equipment
deft belfry
ah
that makes sense
so we can start with, commander, cat theme, equipment/power matters
i think my current most generic equipment is hero's blade
deft belfry
it satisfy my Timmy side of every deck and turn my commander into a voltron threat
never a bad fan of [[sword of vengance]] myself
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +2/+0 and has first strike, vigilance, trample, and haste.
Equip
When wielded by a true believer, it matters little whether the sword is a relic or a replica.
deft belfry
white usually can get vigilance at a low cost
green can get power
with trample
for haste is too slow
so it kinda comes down to the first strike
which is only relevent in combat with another creature
i am still testing out [[the masamune]] to see how good it can be in combat
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Legendary Artifact — Equipment
As long as equipped creature is attacking, it has first strike and must be blocked if able.
Equipped creature has "If a creature dying causes a triggered ability of this creature or an emblem you own to trigger, that ability triggers an additional time."
Equip
deft belfry
so my bais on vengeance is that, without deathtouch, i would probably never want it
if it is a pet card, i can see it happen
[[forebear sword]] i seen this one on gameknight/commandzone once as a pun
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wicked gust
i am still testing out [[the masamune]] to see how good it can be in combat
It did work in my kardur deck last game I played, helped me win
wicked gust
[[Forebears blade]]
deft belfry
sadly i dont think i can fit my in that deck since my kardur is in the 99
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +3/+0 and has vigilance and trample.
Whenever equipped creature dies, attach this Equipment to target creature you control.
Equip
deft belfry
and already have lot if not too many equipments
blade not sword 🤦
same freaken thing
good thing i am not a blacksmith
or linguistic
overall, i think that is a bit better, still meh but the flavour is nice
wicked gust
Ye
deft belfry
cant do a bear pun unless its a bear deck tho
when i care about power, i usually compare things to the single green [[rancor]]
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deft belfry
as long as the creature isnt counters to cause rancor to fizzle on the stack
wicked gust
True
deft belfry
it is basically the lower casting cost for the most efficient permanent stats
downside being, no artifact synergy and cannot move around naturally
but saves so much mana
i have nothin against [[behemoth sledge]] although when compare to lot of other pump, it is just too inefficient
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +2/+2 and has trample and lifelink.
Equip
Those who worship the great gargantuans could hardly be expected to fight with a subtle weapon.
deft belfry
if the average card is meh, then it stands out more as the better of the bunch
i am not willing to pay 5 more mana just for the lifelink effect
wicked gust
I think the idea is to cast nazahn as fast as possible, gey his hammer. Than any equipment that enters auto equips so not worrying too much on equip cost
deft belfry
so i think keeping all the swords of X & Y will end up forcing out lot of the equipments that are noticeablly weaker
wicked gust
And its a free Hammer too if you search gor it via nazahn it enters the field instantly
I can cut most, if not all, maybe keeping fire and ice for the draw and Hearth and Home for the blinking of the commander
wicked gust
If any is on him
May not attack with him
Mayne just an engine to gey the ball rolling
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Instant
Convoke (Your creatures can help cast this spell. Each creature you tap while casting this spell pays for or one mana of that creature's color.)
Any number of target nonland permanents you control phase out. (Treat them and anything attached to them as though they don't exist until your next turn.)
wicked gust
Ye
Always has when I do it after it came out
But ye probably not attacking a lot with nazahn less its to end the game
deft belfry
either moxfield hide that well or its just how it searches for the newer version of the card
wicked gust
Cast him to start the engine, attack with other kitties, than finish via casting the companion
I see the initial game plan is the first focus on getting some cats under the battlefield.Rather than equipment ramp out as quickest as possible to then cast on, get his hammer.Then start casting equipments after the hammers.On the battlefield , and then just snowball from there
deft belfry
one small utility land i would add is the one that can shuffle things back from grave to library
just in case the hammer getting stuck in grave
since naza can only search from deck
same as the sunforger loop
deft belfry
😖
find it [[mistveil plains]] only remembered it was a plain and had mist in its name
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Land — Plains
(: Add .)
This land enters tapped.
, : Put target card from your graveyard on the bottom of your library. Activate only if you control two or more white permanents.
deft belfry
so technically can fetch it too
deft belfry
yeah i usually just do all sort of tap lands and basics and skyshroud claim my way up
snow tapped duo land
wicked gust
[[Farseek]] works too
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wicked gust
Ah ye I own some. Not many
deft belfry
my problem with $$ cards is that i dont play them as often as i should
wicked gust
Same
deft belfry
and when my deck gets too strong i lose the place to play them XD, so upgrading actually makes my playability of the deck worse
wicked gust
I pulled a jeweled lotus before the bracket system and never touched it now its banned
Like 2021
deft belfry
i think my B3 decks are obnoxious to play against, not matter how much fun i like using it
i got mana crypt
still near mint
wicked gust
Ggs
wicked gust
I got one once for $80...and years later I found out it was fake lol fuck tcgplayer sometimes
Well the seller
deft belfry
it was a charity event and i only paid/donated less than $40 for it
wicked gust
Tcgplaher refunded me instantly once I sent it in
deft belfry
so i dont mind it that much and its always been kinda trophy
but at its highest that MB mana crypt was like $250 CAD
[[raksha golden cub]]] mana cost so high lol
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deft belfry
first time seeing this cat
deft belfry
[[ of the wildhunt]]
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deft belfry
[[hunt pack]]
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deft belfry
[[hunter insight]]
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deft belfry
easy before damage efficient card draw
[[herd heirloom]] one of the few times where non land ramp is the obvious better choice
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Artifact
: Add one mana of any color. Spend this mana only to cast a creature spell.
: Until end of turn, target creature you control with power 4 or greater gains trample and "Whenever this creature deals combat damage to a player, draw a card."
deft belfry
cannot cast equipment but i doubt thats an issue
it again gives before damage draw
with vigilance there may also be covoke options you like
but i wont go too detail into that part
overall having trample + spot removal for blockers is also extra combat trick moment
i remember LotRs has typal matter equipment
it probably put +1 counters on all creatures of the same type?
[[temur sabertooth]] in some decks is a combo piece but in a honest deck it is really good utility
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Creature — Cat
: You may return another creature you control to its owner's hand. If you do, this creature gains indestructible until end of turn.
The Temur see themselves as a pack, their bonds more primal than the Abzan's.
4/3
deft belfry
dang, if only you have auras, [[colossification]] is so fitting
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deft belfry
i am trying to cheat that card out AFTER attack has been declared
tapping the creature is the worst downside after casting it for 7 mana
"So fat it takes another turn to get ready"
wicked gust
[[temur sabertooth]] in some decks is a combo piece but in a honest deck it is r...
Helps recast and protect the commander so ye auto include
deft belfry
[[regal caracal]] and aura shard the cat [[qasali slingers]]
deft belfry
ofc they are all high curves so they probably wont make it into the deck
wicked gust
Ye
deft belfry
[[$qasali slinger]] is ridiculously expensive no reprint i g
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deft belfry
[[!aura shards||SLD||1644]]
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deft belfry
weird ass cat on this version
i wish it doesnt say "may" and force the user to destroy aura shard itself
as much as people overlook this one, i think it is arguable stronger than smoothering tithe
wicked gust
Ye
deft belfry
afk
deft belfry
i dont think farewell makes sense when you can have indestructible one sided board wipes
artifact and exile creature mode is already out unless you are really behind
can just do [[shadowspear]] + a destroy all of opponent's creature/non-artifact
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Legendary Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +1/+1 and has trample and lifelink.
: Permanents your opponents control lose hexproof and indestructible until end of turn.
Equip
A weapon of darkness for a warrior of light.
deft belfry
[[air bending lesson]] is something i am still testing out in the 99 if i ever want to protect myself or disrupt a combo
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Instant — Lesson
Airbend target nonland permanent. (Exile it. While it's exiled, its owner may cast it for rather than its mana cost.)
Draw a card.
"Very interesting move, young one." —Monk Gyatso
deft belfry
yes it would tehnically cost 5 mana to save a card in the end but it is more on the "uninteractable" side
wicked gust
Fair
deft belfry
dpends on the final equipment count, i am meh on [[[sigarda's aid]] atm
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deft belfry
it is redundancy for equip and flash at a low cost
although naza cares about equiped creature attack trigger, sorcery spell artifact is usually better
the main problem is just a card that doesnt do much on its own and it doesnt replace itself
may not want to go as far as [[rent due]] but overall card draw with equipment is very important to keep up
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deft belfry
i wonder if there is a way to tap equipment for draw or something
and waterbending/improvise in white
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wicked gust
Closes be [[inspiring statue]]
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Artifact
Nonartifact spells you cast have improvise. (Your artifacts can help cast those spells. Each artifact you tap after you're done activating mana abilities pays for .)
Ghirapur's most celebrated inventors have been immortalized in clockwork.
deft belfry
yeah thats a a trap when you cant make artifact tokens
in the right deck that thing is like 15 mana in an average game
or it turns your mana rock into restrictive mana rocks
if you got the big draw spell whenever it is wildspeaker or rishkar expertise
you can basically run anything and be find
but in the game where things goes south
the non synergistic pieces arent as flexible as the all-removal beast within
as weird as it may sound, i think i would consider sigarda's aid an "instant" spell here
it opens up the flexiblity of casting things at the last moment
to react to potential threats while holding up mana
wicked gust
Only other thing I can think of is some of the tap artifact stuff from caverns of xlhan
deft belfry
[[lionhearts]] is this a cat
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Artifact — Equipment
When this Equipment enters, it deals 2 damage to any target.
Equipped creature gets +2/+1.
Equip
"Lions are known for their great strength and pride."
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Artifact Creature — Equipment Cat
: Exile target card from a graveyard. If it was a permanent card, put a +1/+1 counter on this permanent.
Equipped creature gets +1/+1 for each +1/+1 counter on this Equipment.
Reconfigure (: Attach to target creature you control; or unattach from a creature. Reconfigure only as a sorcery. While attached, this isn't a creature.)
1/1
deft belfry
nice
wicked gust
It's already in the deck
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Lol
deft belfry
thats about the only equipment creature you can flash in i guess
as long as you dont pro white yourself
wicked gust
Ye
16 cards to cut lol
15*
Companions count as 101
Airbedn reverse is a new card eshrex recommends for nazahn
wicked gust
I cut a few creatures but want your opinion, I put em in the sideboard
deft belfry
[[airbend reverse]]
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deft belfry
what eshrex recomends?
edhrec?
that site kinda "recommands" everything tho
the deck kind of gets much better when you dont have to rely on it
and find your own ratio and synergy
so it looks like early game you need at least 4 lands to do something and then it is usually an equip or two before commander comes out at 6
Turn 4 is where equip shines when you are limited to creatures that cannot come out much earlier
and as long as you dont have enough cats out, you will be forced to put all equips on one thing
i feel like you may want to lean more into the [[realm walker]] cat tribal rather than lot of equipments
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deft belfry
so those 5 cards are the T4 options, either equip animist or aetherspark, or play. the 3 drop and save mana for plowshares
am very skepticial of [[argentum armor]] as much as i also want to play that card
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +6/+6.
Whenever equipped creature attacks, destroy target permanent.
Equip
Mirrodin's creator still lives, still shapes metal, and still commands world-shaking power.
deft belfry
worst case scenario 12 mana to use
even at 6 it overlaps on the naza's curve
idk in what situation it becomes doable when you got all the best spot removal at 3 mana
it seems mediocre at best
lands can use [[conclave bond]]
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deft belfry
[[bonder conclav]]
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No my keyboard or screen is calibrated weird. I hit directly on a button and sometimes it hits the one next to it
deft belfry
is there a changeling [[beast whisper]] from Lorwyn or is it an elf
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wicked gust
Idr
deft belfry
maybe you will find new cats to add
becoz to make realwalker work
realm
may need like 30+ cat
or lot of deck thinning
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Which kinds defeats the purpose
It's supposed to be a good balance of cats and weapons to make it a weapon deck
[[Glade ritualist]]
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deft belfry
and the topdecking 1 card at a time problem havent been solved
i mean you dont have cat claws
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Eh oh well, if this fails it fails lol I'll work on it as tine goes on
I also been half tempted to remake my first commander deck as I been wanting vamp tribal but haven't found a fun way to do it that isng og edgar
I did have a mardu idea with lifegain as a sub theme ,the sub commander from Edgar's precon
deft belfry
eminence is dumb when it requires no effort
it is stupid strong but it also get all the attention from the rest of the table regardless of how well you are doing
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One sec
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I think so too, sadly
deft belfry
like, i can find very "cheap" ways to get enough life to reduce the generic cost
but it fails to turn life gain into a proper payoff
beyond reducing its own cost
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Or making it big once a turn
deft belfry
it doesnt have like "when you gain life, opponent cant do something"
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Idk how else to make vamps fun
deft belfry
then it boils down to like aristrocrat drain orzhov
or saguine bond win type of shit
not so much combat/ control
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The idea was "I don't have a lifegain deck. I want more fun vamps, let's combine the 2"
deft belfry
i think there are many other vampires too
traditional vampires, lifelinkers
[[vampire bite]] boobs
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Instant
Kicker (You may pay an additional as you cast this spell.)
Target creature gets +3/+0 until end of turn. If this spell was kicked, that creature gains lifelink until end of turn. (Damage dealt by the creature also causes its controller to gain that much life.)
deft belfry
as long as most creature in the deck has lifelink
then it should be easy to replay commander
although it does require the game to be battlecruiser
in order for combat life gain to work
i think [[ajni's choice]]
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deft belfry
is about one of the best life gain payoff i have seen
other version as well but that one is as low as 2 mana
it will be swing as an 8/8 in no time
[[ajni's choosen]]
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[[Ajani chosen]]
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Rip
deft belfry
[[ajani's choosen]]
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Ah should of guessed
deft belfry
pay life and gain life deck around Licia is probably the best i can think of in the game at the moment
basically give yourself extra life as a resource to expense for value
first strike is kinda irrelvant but there are things that turn first strike into double strike
or just give it evasion and punch it out with someone who cant match the damage
[[vili broker of blood]] one of my favourite demons
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Legendary Creature — Demon
Flying
, Pay 2 life: Target creature gets -1/-1 until end of turn.
Whenever you lose life, draw that many cards. (Damage causes loss of life.)
"You can sign, or you can spend your life imagining what might have been yours."
8/8
deft belfry
life loss into draw is one of the most insane thing to do in commander high life total
and white black can reanimate to avoid mana cost
so sending Licia to grave maybe a good idea
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Maybw
deft belfry
do you need the infinite combos
if you are stuck with vampires only [[amalia benavides aguiree]] and [[bloodbond vampire]] are basically the primate
deft belfry
oh nice there is a flying one [[bloodthirsty aerialist]]
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i think the best value is when you can break out of vampires and get [[archangel of thune]]
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deft belfry
[[aerith gainsborough]] looks really good too
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deft belfry
but idk how much those 2 card infinite matters [[defiant bloodlord]] does it make the win feel less important
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i thought of this equipment for the cat deck but is so much better here [[excalibur II]]
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Legendary Artifact — Equipment
Whenever you gain life, put a charge counter on Excalibur II.
Equipped creature gets +1/+1 for each charge counter on Excalibur II.
Equip
The ultimate sword, used by a legendary king. It was forged in another world.
deft belfry
[[ememplar of light]] would be a easy include for card draw
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deft belfry
and i did think that a life loss life gain theme is very fitting similar to [[essense channeler]]]
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deft belfry
i dont have this card but i know it can do work (someone tested it out somewhere on the field), especially with the commander with first strike on another attacking creature [[field tested frying pan]]
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Artifact — Equipment
When this Equipment enters, create a Food token, then create a 1/1 white Halfling creature token and attach this Equipment to it.
Equipped creature has "Whenever you gain life, this creature gets +X/+X until end of turn, where X is the amount of life you gained."
Equip
deft belfry
[[lich mastery]] + gain = insane amount of draw
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deft belfry
ohh i didnt know this vampire [[nazar the velvet fang]]
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[[nykthos paragon]] really like this one but again not vampire
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its hard to fit in deck due to high cost and require mass life gain go wide payoff
[[qala ajani's primate]] the more insane version, each life is worth 2 power
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Legendary Creature — Cat Warrior
Whenever Qala attacks, other attacking creatures you control get +X/+0 until end of turn, where X is the number of counters on Qala.
Whenever you gain life, put a +1/+1 counter on Qala.
: You gain 1 life.
3/3
wicked gust
Interesting
Not vamp tribal lol
But cats have equipment AMD lifegain shenanigans
Weird
deft belfry
yeah without tribal creature only there are many other options, nykthos is especially nice with the first strike part
since that gives your entire board ++counters
(o:"gain life" & o:"that many")
o:"whever you gain life" will still give a decent amount
[[$veinwitcher coven]]
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deft belfry
i am trying to get a copy of this, its recursion in black which is pretty valuable since you can also recur reanimators to cheat even more cost
recursion on repeat*
i should knew alphabethic order [[well of lost dream]] is the very last card and the one i was looking for this entire time
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Artifact
Whenever you gain life, you may pay , where X is less than or equal to the amount of life you gained. If you do, draw X cards.
Some say the knowledge lost during the Ritual of Rebuking is returned through the well's waters.
deft belfry
never brought myself one but i think it is basically the best card draw value engine for its buck
if you want any tutors, i think this is one of the first draw engine you want to search for in a life matter deck
saw a fun card [[wall of limbs]] maybe i will find a cheap copy to put in a horror theme deck
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Creature — Zombie Wall
Defender (This creature can't attack.)
Whenever you gain life, put a +1/+1 counter on this creature.
, Sacrifice this creature: Target player loses X life, where X is this creature's power.
0/3
wicked gust
Interesting
deft belfry
my rough estimate after life gain matters, life gain payoff, draw + ramp + lands, there should be around ~15 flexible slot to put just about anything you want
removals can be overlapped or just generic cards
if the curve is low enough, might be able to get way with less ramp and even more room
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The only other idea I had was just keep the old commander and give her a new coat of paint or use her other versions [[Olivia voldaren]] but tbf the theft subtheme could be fun
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Legendary Creature — Vampire
Flying
: Olivia Voldaren deals 1 damage to another target creature. That creature becomes a Vampire in addition to its other types. Put a +1/+1 counter on Olivia Voldaren.
: Gain control of target Vampire for as long as you control Olivia Voldaren.
3/3
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The wife uses [[mobilized for war]] version
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But I also own [[Olivia bride]]
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Hm...ngl mobilized for war has potential for other stuff too...
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I'm also ALSO working on both new precons...I got both decks for $69 (lol) thanks to a special 1 day sale TCGPlayer had
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The Blight decks perfect, the elementals?...yea lol
deft belfry
But I also own [[Olivia bride]]
that one has a clear build around so its probably the easiest one, Voldren is more unique and "anti" vampire. since she has the flavour to turn anyone into vampires and make them her underlings
deft belfry
The wife uses [[mobilized for war]] version
this one is like a alternative version to [[chainer nightmare adept]] not necessarily weaker but the vampire part is not too important from what i can see
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deft belfry
but they are also restrictive enough it limits what can be used in the deck without completely destroying the synergy
so both the potential and limitations are there
deft belfry
I'm also ALSO working on both new precons...I got both decks for $69 (lol) thank...
a sign to make a 69 theme then
btw, i think in genereal i rarely want both path to exile and swrod to plowshare in the same deck, because the outcome is not always what i want to give away. in the niche case where i have a token deck,i can path myself for a basic land. [[unwanted remake]] can be an option for more versatility
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if used on yourself, can trigger [[welcoming vampire]] / flash blocker
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can mess up opponent's top deck tutor etc
if i am playing in the B3+ powerlevel environment, it is easier to justify having cheap cost removal that basically means the noncommander creature is gone for good at the cost of losing a card in hand and giving something away
because my deck should be able to draw enough to make up for that lost in card advantage
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Fair
This is what i have so far, nothing too crazy but haven't refined it much either
I just added what I wanted creature wise and a bit more focused mana sources but I need to cut a lot, I have like 22 ways for mana. I rarely do 5 colors so idk what the "meta" is
Only 5 color I ever done was a kenrith returned king deck that was angel tribal than changed it to a more ob theme Knights which I still use but may disassemble soon
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Legendary Creature — Elemental Sorcerer
Elemental permanent spells you cast from your hand gain evoke as you cast them. (If you cast a spell for its evoke cost, it's sacrificed when it enters.)
Whenever you sacrifice a nontoken Elemental, create a token that's a copy of it. The token gains haste until end of turn. At the beginning of your next end step, sacrifice it unless you pay .
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deft belfry
i dont think there is too much of a meta, 5 colour identity usually just means there are no restrictions on your cards unless you put one on yourself
and ashling is one of the lowest cmc 5 colours since the wubrg is in the text box instead
3 mana into 4 mana ability basically sets everything up
and any cost elemental is 4
if you find some creature you really like but cant play, the potential with [[maskwood nexus]] is always there
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Artifact
Creatures you control are every creature type. The same is true for creature spells you control and creature cards you own that aren't on the battlefield.
, : Create a 2/2 blue Shapeshifter creature token with changeling. (It is every creature type.)
deft belfry
but it is also a trap card because most decks cant use it consistently
wicked gust
I assumed it meant perms anyways not any tribal spell
wicked gust
but it is also a trap card because most decks cant use it consistently
Agreed q00%
deft belfry
lol your misaligned keyboard is so messed up
good excuse for fat fingering everything
deft belfry
yeah i havent even looked at the blight precon but knowing what is spoiled and existing -1 synergy and all the -1 cards going up in price i expect it to run pretty smooth and strong
i just hope it is not oppressive to play against by killing everything non stop been there done that
do you ever use [[chromatic lantern]] in other decks?
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Artifact
Lands you control have ": Add one mana of any color."
: Add one mana of any color.
By guild tradition, any puddle of multicolored light on the cobblestones can serve as neutral ground.
deft belfry
i dont think it is a card you want unless you know what you are doing with it
its like the beginner assisted wheels for bicycle
split up the ramp from mana fixing to just mono colour ramp
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do you ever use [[chromatic lantern]] in other decks?
I tend to in 3+ colors
deft belfry
[[bane of progress]]
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I forgot that was in there
deft belfry
indiscriminate destroy everyon's stuff, land ramp gets around it
but the evoke is kinda bad with it
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Very
deft belfry
so its probably an elemental you dont want to cheat out
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I'dk if worth running
deft belfry
but in the case where you can sac it later down the line, the token can wipe a second time
imo chromatic is less needed, those beginner wheels stops you from reaching top speed
an upgraded [[!manlith]] is still a manlith
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deft belfry
[[!manalith]]
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whenever green is assessible, fixing should rely on lamd fixing, even an evolving wild can search for any of the colours
and MH3 got up to 10 fetches
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True
So chrome is more suited for 3+ color decks without green
Like my fav color combo mardu
deft belfry
or if you run so much lands that cannot tap for mana at all
its like that urborg in your mono white deck
actually, yavimaya is just cheaper and does the same thing
with landfall synergy, its best to keep your fetch lands untapped until you need it
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deft belfry
green recently had that ally that let your lands taps for any colour
normally creature ramp is more risky but because you are in green, creautre often provide additional synergy
than artifact
to the extreme, i run B2 decks that can match against some B3 without using* sol ring or arcane signet
mostly because i wanted more slot for non mana cards
is it better, probably not but it fits how i wanted that deck
my incomplete Animar deck doesnt really need sol ring unless it is KOS
the only artifact either has to be a draw engine or a creature for the cast trigger
wicked gust
green recently had that ally that let your lands taps for any colour
Think it's 5 color
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Doesn't it have a 5 color ability? Or mixing it up?
deft belfry
[[thraben charm]] i think you can consider using this more than elephant gift where you run it
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no i was not referring to the legendary
too many allies came out i dont believe half their names, and cabbage merchant is not an ally
that i remember
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[[Great divide guide]]
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Creature — Human Scout Ally
Each land and Ally you control has ": Add one mana of any color."
"Who's ready to cross this here canyon?"
2/3
deft belfry
human citizen ally ? lot of them are triple types too
scout
in a creature/ ally -typal deck i think i can use this in less than 3 colours and in green
otherwise i only own one cheap copy of [[chromatic lantern]]] that i run with [[heliod, radiant dawn]]
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Artifact
Lands you control have ": Add one mana of any color."
: Add one mana of any color.
By guild tradition, any puddle of multicolored light on the cobblestones can serve as neutral ground.
Legendary Enchantment Creature — God
When Heliod enters, return target enchantment card that isn't a God from your graveyard to your hand.
: Transform Heliod. Activate only as a sorcery. ( can be paid with either or 2 life.)
"Compleat the faith, compleat the god." —Ajani Goldmane
4/4
Heliod, the Warped Eclipse
Legendary Enchantment Creature — Phyrexian God
You may cast spells as though they had flash.
Spells you cast cost less to cast for each card your opponents have drawn this turn.
"Compleat the god, compleat the plane." —Ajani Goldmane
4/6
wicked gust
Fair
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Hey @deft belfry I'm back with another deck. This time I got some constraints on it as you recommended, trying to keep this deck bracket 2, trying to keep it budget and run few staples with interesting choices that people might not have heard of or at least seen in their games, take a look please and give me some recommendations to tune it
https://moxfield.com/decks/z0TEV-oIE0a3L8qiM7zcfA
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last time i played against someone with that deck claiming it was a 3... so i rekt him with a focused a 2 by putting all my aggro and damage toward him 😅 i just force him to block with commander or else he dies to lethal
but yeah i think magar is super fun if done right
[[magar of magic strings]]
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Legendary Creature — Minotaur Performer
: Note the name of target instant or sorcery card in your graveyard and put it onto the battlefield face down. It's a 3/3 creature with "Whenever this creature deals combat damage to a player, you may create a copy of the card with the noted name. You may cast the copy without paying its mana cost" and "If this creature would leave the battlefield, exile it instead of putting it anywhere else."
3/3
cold quartz
yeah really cool card, ive played it before with someone elses deck and it felt kinda lame the way they built it so i put a pin in playing it again until i got around to making my own
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deft belfry
i would probably repalce last one standing into one sided wipe such as [[extinction event]] [[nightmare unmaking]] etc
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i would probably repalce last one standing into one sided wipe such as [[extinct...
Thank ya! Also Also I wanna rack your brain around potential lifegain commanders, as I used to have a orzhov lifegain for ayli and then tried rodolf but they were boring ,ideas for fun lifegain builds?
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Lol
deft belfry
iddr who is ayli and rudolph, the red nose reindeer?
[[boltbend]] and commander only has 3 power?
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Instant
This spell costs less to cast if you control a creature with power 4 or greater.
Change the target of target spell or ability with a single target.
"Give them everything you've got . . . and some things you don't." —Ral Zarek
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[[Ayli eternal]]
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Legendary Creature — Kor Cleric
Deathtouch (Any amount of damage this deals to a creature is enough to destroy it.)
, Sacrifice another creature: You gain life equal to the sacrificed creature's toughness.
, Sacrifice another creature: Exile target nonland permanent. Activate only if you have at least 10 life more than your starting life total.
2/3
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[[Rodolf]]
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Legendary Creature — Vampire Angel
Flying, deathtouch, lifelink
Whenever you gain life, Rodolf Duskbringer gains indestructible until end of turn.
At the beginning of your end step, you may pay 
. When you do, return target creature card with mana value X or less from your graveyard to the battlefield, where X is the amount of life you gained this turn.
4/4
deft belfry
oh lol i saw that
i thought you could oput it in the mardu vampire deck
okay and ayli i recognize more from the old set from like 50 yrs ago
i dont reaslly consider ayli to be a life gain matter deck but rather a sac outlet in the command zone
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i thought you could oput it in the mardu vampire deck
Maybe but still 50/50 as I have so many mardu decks
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i dont reaslly consider ayli to be a life gain matter deck but rather a sac outl...
She was my 3rd ever commander back in 2019 lol so I get it and see it now
deft belfry
[[strike the rich]] if ever need T1 ramp to get magar out one turn earlier
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[[strike it rich]]
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Sorcery
Create a Treasure token. (It's an artifact with ", Sacrifice this token: Add one mana of any color.")
Flashback (You may cast this card from your graveyard for its flashback cost. Then exile it.)
A few coins soon grow into an obsession.
deft belfry
maybe [[bonus round]] overall, any spells can be used as long as theres enough discard and evasion
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can ignore at lot of the card advantage and ramp with Magar's unconventional way of cheating spells
the defensive part is the toughest part since its all put into attack no blocks
[[currency converter]] may have a chance too
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Artifact
Whenever you discard a card, you may exile that card from your graveyard.
, : Draw a card, then discard a card.
: Put a card exiled with this artifact into its owner's graveyard. If it's a land card, create a Treasure token. If it's a nonland card, create a 2/2 black Rogue creature token.
deft belfry
but i never really tested this one so i am not sure about how it fit into the curve. repeatable looting is nice though
instead of [[abade]] i would go for [[you find some prisoners]]
deft belfry
but its just removal slot so those are very flexible
is chaos warp in here didnt notice find it
[[$mage's contest]]
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deft belfry
dang so expensive to get a red counterspell
definitely a fun way to counter a spell out of nowhere
[[Mages contest]]
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synergy tho it is a bit off since i think you will struggle with keeping life total up
worse than [[$tibalt trickery]]
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deft belfry
which can also be used on yourself i guess
it mills and cast a spell for free; which has a chance to hit a high cost spell
the small details no one really pay attention to about magar is that it basically means you are always playing with public information
from discard to grave to face down combat damage trigger spells
the table knows exactly which spell is the one they dont want to get hit by
not too sure how that will affect the match up but it will play around with blocks
deathtouch is semi unblockable in commander, if you find a way to give that
i can see potential of set up cards like [[cemetery tampering]]
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budget entomb [[unmarked grave]] and [[qriq loremage]]
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Creature — Human Warlock
: Search your library for a card, put it into your graveyard, then shuffle. If it's an instant or sorcery card, put a +1/+1 counter on this creature.
Nothing can quell the Oriq's thirst for the forbidden secrets of the past.
3/3
wicked gust
Loremage so underrated
I was tempted to add ut into my mardu terra phoenix deck for cheap and constant recursion as its low power can help bring it back via terra
deft belfry
the fact it gets bigger too
its entomb on repeat but people dont use entomb for the same reason so...
off to work 👋
cold quartz
i would probably repalce last one standing into one sided wipe such as [[extinct...
Im being very careful about what board wipes im choosing to include since i can just recur them with magar, would that make the deck too strong for bracket 2 to include more one sided wipes? i genuinely dont know and want to know what you think since i dont often play in bracket 2
cold quartz
Im being very careful about what board wipes im choosing to include since i can ...
those are some more balanced wipes though i will say
and i am kind of including last one standing as a sort of pet card because my buddy plays a lot of hearthstone and that is an identical wipe to brawl from that game
i might replace it though depending on how many creature spells i can get to stick
cold quartz
can ignore at lot of the card advantage and ramp with Magar's unconventional way...
do you think i currently have too many looting effects in the deck with that being the case?
cold quartz
can ignore at lot of the card advantage and ramp with Magar's unconventional way...
and with the ramp thats kind of what i figured and have been cutting the ramp a bit
cold quartz
[[currency converter]] may have a chance too
i do like that card a lot and have played with it in other decks but i feel its a bit expensive for essentially a looting effect with a little bonus in a budget deck personally
cold quartz
dang so expensive to get a red counterspell
yeah i played it once so far in a game and it got a lot of laughs because i played it after an [[exsanguinate]] against my buddy when we both had 5 hp, it is expensive but a lot more fun imo than [[tibalts trickery]]
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https://scryfall.com/card/afr/169/you-find-some-prisoners
ooo i do like that over abrade
cold quartz
deathtouch is semi unblockable in commander, if you find a way to give that
oh yeah thats a good shout
cold quartz
https://scryfall.com/card/dsc/135/cemetery-tampering
hmm interesting, ive never seen that card before, have you used it? hard for me to get a read on how good it is just by reading it
cold quartz
budget entomb [[unmarked grave]] and [[qriq loremage]]
i personally want no tutors in the deck, even narrow ones
cold quartz
yeah i played it once so far in a game and it got a lot of laughs because i play...
maybe fun isnt the right word but interesting, everyones seen tibalts but no one knew about mages contest
cold quartz
one card i probably want to ditch for sure is [[bolt bend]] since i will hardly ever have a creature with 4 power or more
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Instant
This spell costs less to cast if you control a creature with power 4 or greater.
Change the target of target spell or ability with a single target.
"Give them everything you've got . . . and some things you don't." —Ral Zarek
cold quartz
actually looking at my current list, literally never unless i casting something from my opponent lol
currently replacing it with [[dark dabbling]]
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deft belfry
do you think i currently have too many looting effects in the deck with that bei...
nah i thought thats fine, it means you can always set up the grave with something
deft belfry
one card i probably want to ditch for sure is [[bolt bend]] since i will hardly ...
sounds good to me, i didnt look through every creature but i didnt see a 4 power when i brought it up
deft belfry
hmm interesting, ive never seen that card before, have you used it? hard for me ...
most decks have the issue of getting 20 cards into the grave
it is not [[ripple of d]]
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Enchantment
At the beginning of your first main phase, mill three cards. Then you may pay and 3 life. If you do, put a card from among those cards into your hand.
As the monster lay dying, it stared into the eyes of the human who slew it. Decades later, it has yet to break its gaze.
deft belfry
but it does dig consistently and eventually cast a free spell, which is nice with all the high cmc cards
magar exiling from grave would technically slow it down but that just means you will have cards to turn into creature which i count that as a win
deft belfry
i personally want no tutors in the deck, even narrow ones
rip, i would forsure use loremage if i have one built
4 toughness blocker + getting anger into grave and the ideal dumbest fun spell
rn most of the power may lie in the unblockable package
trailblazer to cloak to bedlam
those are what makes your creatures into free big spells so strong
for myself , i am addicted to double strike
as long as i am killing more than a chumpblocker, i would be happy to attack into anyone
cold quartz
4 toughness blocker + getting anger into grave and the ideal dumbest fun spell
im considering trying it out becuase it does sound cool and its not like this deck has crazy options to tutor for
deft belfry
in case you never heard of this, i hate tap scry lands, i would run [[ash barren]] instead
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Land
: Add .
Basic landcycling (, Discard this card: Search your library for a basic land card, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle.)
cold quartz
for myself , i am addicted to double strike
yeah facts, i was looking for some deathtouch effect giving cards to add and couldnt really find anything
deft belfry
hmm did you scryfall
cold quartz
i should know how to use scryfall but sadly dont with the special notation so i was doing some google searches/looking at reddit
deft belfry
otag if you find the tag for it or just o: for oracle:
cold quartz
so it would be like o: deathtouch? or o: Give a creature deathtouch
cold quartz
https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/107/ripples-of-undeath
yeah i wouldnt mind a ripples in here, it is $10 for that effect which feels kinda steep but could be worth
deft belfry
since i hated the power creep of MH3 i would only do the crappy one XD
i acknowledge MH3 but hate that premium set with passion
cold quartz
i dont like scry lands either very much, i do like it though with graveyard decks with the option to chuck it to the yard
deft belfry
scry cannot surveil
cold quartz
oh duh i had brainlag
deft belfry
lol all gud
cold quartz
why do they both have to start with s
deft belfry
one is shit, one is super
cold quartz
yep hahah
deft belfry
may have mentioned it in a chat, i would only do that scry for [[genzo dungeon warden[[
[[genzo dungeon warden]]
cold quartz
hello mr bot
deft belfry
:c bot died
cold quartz
tragic
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Legendary Creature — Goblin Rogue
Grenzo enters with X +1/+1 counters on it.
: Put the bottom card of your library into your graveyard. If it's a creature card with power less than or equal to Grenzo's power, put it onto the battlefield.
2/2
cold quartz
ah yeah that makes sense
deft belfry
bot casted revived on itself
cold quartz
since i hated the power creep of MH3 i would only do the crappy one XD
whats the crappy one
deft belfry
the hide away 5
grenzo btw, did get a slight nerf with hideaway being random
used to be rearrange for bottom
[[hostile negotiation]] looks fun, i never pick one up since i dont think it is that amazing and have no black deck need it
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cold quartz
honestly i kinda like [[cemetery tampering]] better than ripples in this deck anyways with the looting effects and being able to recast it with them on a creature
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deft belfry
🙌 🙌 🙌 🙌
cold quartz
https://scryfall.com/card/bro/105/hostile-negotiations
i play a deck built around the mechanic its quite fun. not a best in class card by any means but in a graveyard deck there is no downside
cold quartz
most of those effects you have to turn both face up so this is actually a b etter version of that effect too
cold quartz
~~spellslinger muldrotha~~
🤮
deft belfry
lmao
cold quartz
yeah i think cemetery is worth including, what to cut though
deft belfry
just realized, the thing about extinction event is not entirely one sided
since commander is odd cmc
i did missed that
cold quartz
maybe [[jaxis, the troublemaker]]? since i have to sac it? copy effects are fun though
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Legendary Creature — Human Warrior
, , Discard a card: Create a token that's a copy of another target creature you control. It gains haste and "When this token dies, draw a card." Sacrifice it at the beginning of the next end step. Activate only as a sorcery.
Blitz (If you cast this spell for its blitz cost, it gains haste and "When this creature dies, draw a card." Sacrifice it at the beginning of the next end step.)
2/3
cold quartz
just realized, the thing about extinction event is not entirely one sided
oh true
deft belfry
hmm yeah i kinda want to know how that plays out
jaxis staying without blitz is kinda nice
cold quartz
oh yeah for sure, honestly i was thinking most of the time i would just be playing him as a 4 anyways
deft belfry
how important is [[thrill of possibility]]
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cold quartz
as much as any loot effects
deft belfry
it is low cost but kinda a worse of the bunch
deft belfry
i guess no [[unexpected windfall]] then Xp
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Instant
As an additional cost to cast this spell, discard a card.
Draw two cards and create two Treasure tokens. (They're artifacts with ", Sacrifice this token: Add one mana of any color.")
Fortune favors the fortunate.
deft belfry
copying those 4 cmc draw 2 + treasures are the best
cold quartz
i got [[big score]]
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Instant
As an additional cost to cast this spell, discard a card.
Draw two cards and create two Treasure tokens. (They're artifacts with ", Sacrifice this token: Add one mana of any color.")
"Unimaginable riches? I assure you, I have a vivid imagination."
deft belfry
yeah i saw the monkey pillage too
cold quartz
yeah could be worth to drop a 2cmc loot for another 4 with treasures, feels a lot better to swing in a creature that are those spells
or just [[glimpse the impossible]] i want to try the card and have put it in all 3 decks but it never makes it past the cutting room floor
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Sorcery
Exile the top three cards of your library. You may play those cards this turn. At the beginning of the next end step, if any of those cards remain exiled, put them into your graveyard, then create a 0/1 colorless Eldrazi Spawn creature token for each card put into your graveyard this way. Those tokens have "Sacrifice this token: Add ."
Gisela beheld true divinity, and was humbled.
cold quartz
yeah i just ended up adding something better in its place
deft belfry
i only havent used it because it felt too generic or too easy to include
cold quartz
or at least more interesting
cold quartz
ooh yeah
deft belfry
is the mechanic on [[painful truth]] called converge, i am expecting something cool with vivid fromLorywn
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deft belfry
i think for Magar, as long as you can cheat in something you never really see normally
its going to be some fun stuff going on
cold quartz
yeah for sure, i love magar as a bracket 2 deck, as bracket 3 it seems a lot less fun and more lame
deft belfry
and it may struggle too
rely too much on magar staying around to get the right spell from grave
just to avoid the hard casting cost
technically you need at least 6 mana for that first spell without counting the cost to make it unblockable
in a more competitive environment, no one is going to let you get free value
cold quartz
yeah for sure, thats also why i got [[skull storm]] for when he just wont be allowed to stick
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deft belfry
but skull storm exiled and recast
thats at least 2 on the stack
ohhh with killing half the creature too that would be so nice
cold quartz
yep, nothing bananas but nice
deft belfry
i wanted to use commander storm card in oath breaker, but its not popular enough and its kinda high power
so janks doesnt work well, especially in 58 cards
deft belfry
i assume it works.... i didnt really check over oath breaker rules and i dont want to know if it doesnt
cold quartz
oh something i kind of did want to replace was [[cathartic pyre]] just another loot effect most of the time or maybe deal 3 to a 6 toughness creature to trade, feel the spot could be filled with something better/cooler
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cold quartz
hmm if i remove it maybe ill have too little looting though not sure
cold quartz
yeah, i gotta get a better feel for how many looting effects i want
deft belfry
i think less than 20 is sufficient since there are self mill too
cold quartz
oh yeah for sure less than 20, i dont think i need to optimize looting that hard for b2
if anything i feel my top end count is a little low
deft belfry
because for small spell, you can just hard cast it to end up in grave
cold quartz
lots of 2-4s not much after that
cold quartz
because for small spell, you can just hard cast it to end up in grave
yeah thats true
deft belfry
oh wow just reread [[!call forth the tempest]]
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deft belfry
can you image that with double strike connecting
just by doing cascade is so much value
cold quartz
it was in the 99 yesterday, i ended up removing it in favor of less staple high cost cards and didnt think cascade actually went that hard in this deck
because with cascase decks you want lots of 5-7cmc things for tempest to hit
deft belfry
it is free cast, if only it was a $30/20 card
i need to finish my [[rowan scion of war]] deck and put it online to see how high is my curve XD
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Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
Menace
: Spells you cast this turn that are black and/or red cost less to cast, where X is the amount of life you lost this turn. Activate only as a sorcery.
"No more days withering at a negotiating table with my brother. I will rebuild Eldraine myself—the old way, with power."
4/2
deft belfry
right now i have so many 5 drops [[kaboom!]] is probably rarely going to whiff
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cold quartz
oh yeah thats a sick card, prolly a fun deck too, and like henzie wants generally very little pips on cards for max discount
deft belfry
[[sun bird inovation]] always wanted to play this, finally got a cheap copy and the deck to use it in
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deft belfry
[[sunbird vocation]]
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cold quartz
oh my god that card goes so hard in [[maelstrom wanderer]]
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deft belfry
but cast from hand
cold quartz
because of bounce effects
deft belfry
ah
cold quartz
to recast maelstrom
deft belfry
need some airbending
cold quartz
ooooo yeah i havent played maelstrom with airbending
deft belfry
[[release to the winds]] my recast jank
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deft belfry
because airbending is mostly white
the quaduple cascade dino with that is the wet dream
cold quartz
the best one for maelstrom at least is [[erratic portal]]
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Artifact
, : Return target creature to its owner's hand unless its controller pays .
"In Barrin's name!" cried Lyna as Hanna's sword passed through her, "Ertai sends word that the portal is open—but not for long!"
deft belfry
you forgot [[crystal shard]] in blue
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Artifact
, or , : Return target creature to its owner's hand unless its controller pays .
The vedalken know it is not of this world, so they know that this world is not the only one.
cold quartz
or that yeah
cold quartz
the quaduple cascade dino with that is the wet dream
i got the quad cascade dino with aqnother creature out that made creatures with 4cmc or higher cascade, so it was a 5 cascade dino
went so hard
deft belfry
i think its 6 cmc or higher but same thing
deft belfry
i have the ugliest treatment of that card , its a foil that turn the art frame black
cold quartz
eugh
deft belfry
a 5 drop with cascade, 6 cmc spell you cast also has cascade
simic creature something naga
deft belfry
going to take a show 🏃➡️ can message afterward, and whos deck i was going to check out above, i think it was brokern of leg mono black
shower*
cold quartz
sounds good, thanks for the help man, i will catch you later
deft belfry
later
deft belfry
https://moxfield.com/decks/hETprTL33Eaa9K92UwNIEQ
took me a while to look at the deck to figure out what you wanted to do, until i reached the creature section, the draw and mana ramp didnt really tell me anything about the deck was trying to do so i thought it was a rubegoldberg machine using fain as the jack of all trade sac engine
😅 but like without a focus on what to sac so its dont have that direction on how to pilot
most if not all the creatures are about the aristrocrat style drain/ ping so i assume sacing creature is the best payoff
lot of good cards are in there already which is nice, the curve looks nice and even, may have a chance to get more high value effect but overall fain cares more about small things
lands seems good already, and i think black market is very fitting here
so it just comes down to how to turn all those engines into a threatening machine gun
the black devotion is on the lower end, idk if nykthos and gary is actually getting much out of it
i would definitely add something that can either sacrifice artifact or creature or both
peak citrus
I think i need another finisher like bahamut.
https://moxfield.com/decks/XFKIzX5W20eNWy1vR-H-_g
deft belfry
small value can probably get cut unless there is a special reason for it. [[lightning bolt]] 3 damage at the cost of a card in hand is too much imo
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deft belfry
if it is a saga, and you can replay it, the value will increase by 2 folds
with the tutors in the deck, cards that are searchable are also better in general
i am guessing you have proxies since the card price/version you use are the highest there is
21 ramp and 3X lands is overkilled but i wouldnt question it if thats how you want it to go
trying to see the combos if there are any
there is like a clear difference in philosophy in B4 deck building in terms of efficiency. Since the game is going to be shorter and the "winning turn" need to accelerate much faster, it ignores how some cards may not scale into the "end game" when there will be no late game
should there be a [[maximum carnage]] or is it too slow/meta not enough creatures on board
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Enchantment — Saga
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter. Sacrifice after III.)
I — Until your next turn, each creature attacks each combat if able and attacks a player other than you if able.
II — Add .
III — This Saga deals 5 damage to each opponent.
deft belfry
maybe i missed some key pieces, but most of what i see is durdle-ing and not clear how to win
battlecruiser would be the last resort at a high power table imo
deft belfry
XD took me way too long to figure out what that [[alhammarrets archive]] was with that special art
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deft belfry
[[squee goblin nabob]]
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deft belfry
[[finale of devestation]] and the envasion battle
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deft belfry
idk if thats the direction you want
cause that would cost so much mana
and not really using saga [[city of death]] would be nice if there are token payoff
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deft belfry
just recalled this card [[ancient cornucopia]] it may have a small chance of being more commonly played with Lorwyn colour matter but overall its ramp that green dont normally need
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Artifact
Whenever you cast a spell that's one or more colors, you may gain 1 life for each of that spell's colors. Do this only once each turn.
: Add one mana of any color.
"I reckon that thing's trying to put me out of a job!" —Bristly Bill, cactusfolk gardener
deft belfry
[[$ancient cornucopia]]
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deft belfry
@wicked gustif you have this [[collector's cage]] i know oyu have at least a deck for it; its just too expensive $ and too white for my taste
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Artifact
Hideaway 5 (When this artifact enters, look at the top five cards of your library, exile one face down, then put the rest on the bottom in a random order.)
, : Put a +1/+1 counter on target creature you control. Then if you control three or more creatures with different powers, you may play the exiled card without paying its mana cost.
deft belfry
probably your +1 counter modify deck
peak citrus
small value can probably get cut unless there is a special reason for it. [[ligh...
Just removal
peak citrus
trying to see the combos if there are any
So u want to drop commander turn 1 without using the land drop of that turn. Then star filtering ur hand.
Squee is good
Finale of devastation is good to
Trying to get both bahamut and titan to deal Combat damage
deft belfry
idk how it feels about using so much resources into the engine and may not get out the end game pieces
the speed is there, although the gas tank seems very small
empty bison
just recalled this card [[ancient cornucopia]] it may have a small chance of bei...
Ohhh nice!!! I'll have to pick that up
cyan stream
thoughts on this? https://moxfield.com/decks/mJ3sfTh_zUSFiW6Bx3U9hg
cold quartz
well mon after trying the magar deck for a few games im not sure what i want to do..i like how it plays, very much feels like im trying to not draw too much attention to myself while subtlety manipulating my opponents to kill each other for me which feels very thematic and cool but the deck feels extremely fragile, if i ever become the threat i just fall over like a wet noodle
i think its because i kind of have too many removal options and not enough things to further my game plan
but not sure what i want to swap and for what
also feels like i could run a bit more ramp since i often dont want to play magar until i have something out to either give the spell creatures haste, unblockable + protection or both
so im not really playing him currently until like turn 7