so 6 mana to "ramp" for free spell is kinda of good if used repeatedly
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deft belfry
it need 4 turns to make up for itself
cold quartz
monomon you there?
wicked gust
I LOVE kroxa, may want to add kroxa to the rakdos deck we just finished...as a pet card
Especially try to find this version, love the kaldheim treatment
deft belfry
monomon you there?
been summoned
deft belfry
Especially try to find this version, love the kaldheim treatment
dont even have the normal version 😢
wicked gust
I do lol
wicked gust
dont even have the normal version 😢
Thoughts on adding kroxa to the kardur burn/force combat deck?
deft belfry
well, i forgot where it was mentioned above, its not direct synergy but it has an effect on the table where
if they see that you have a discard theme, they cant do anything about it
therefore, they have to play around it in order to avoid losing their keycard
and if those are creatures, then it will set up kardur's goading
if not, then it really doesnt help your side but more of a hurt yourself to hurt others type of card
so its one of those question "how much do you enjoy pain"
wicked gust
dont even have the normal version 😢
It's pretty cheap thanks to March of the machine reprinting it via the legends reprints
wicked gust
you are hiding behind your safe bubble
I mean that's what the deck already does
deft belfry
not cheap enough for my deck, and discard is a poor multiplayer strat in general
wicked gust
Big oof
deft belfry
it hurt yourself because rakdos, doesnt have the best engine for card advantage
wicked gust
Sadly does
deft belfry
[[secret rendevous]] it the opposite of this
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deft belfry
3 mana, 6 cards drew, ( replace itself for a +2 in your hand)
wicked gust
Ir does say each opponent not player, so you don't get affected
wicked gust
Ah
deft belfry
[[mind rake]]
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Sorcery
Target player discards two cards.
Overload 
(You may cast this spell for its overload cost. If you do, change "target" in its text to "each.")
Spells of madness often require a sacrifice of sanity.
deft belfry
nince i got the name right first try
wicked gust
But then can be a big body in a dexk that doesn't do card recursion so it can be brought back a lot
deft belfry
yeah, mid late game it can become card aedvantage
the chance isnt high though
cards usually dont all end up in grave if you are not self mill
lot of [[thrill of possib]] churning
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deft belfry
or mass draw discard on clean up
wicked gust
Ah
deft belfry
red being impulse draw also doesnt help
wicked gust
So best j don't run for this
deft belfry
you can try brew a deck around it and see how often you can rush it out with escape
going to eat lunch 🏃➡️
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Legendary Creature — God
When Valki enters, each opponent reveals their hand. For each opponent, exile a creature card they revealed this way until Valki leaves the battlefield.
: Choose a creature card exiled with Valki with mana value X. Valki becomes a copy of that card.
2/1
Tibalt, Cosmic Impostor 
Legendary Planeswalker — Tibalt
As Tibalt enters, you get an emblem with "You may play cards exiled with Tibalt, Cosmic Impostor, and you may spend mana as though it were mana of any color to cast those spells."
+2: Exile the top card of each player's library.
−3: Exile target artifact or creature.
−8: Exile all graveyards. Add .
Loyalty: 5
wicked gust
[[Cosmic impostor]]
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Legendary Creature — God
When Valki enters, each opponent reveals their hand. For each opponent, exile a creature card they revealed this way until Valki leaves the battlefield.
: Choose a creature card exiled with Valki with mana value X. Valki becomes a copy of that card.
2/1
Tibalt, Cosmic Impostor
Legendary Planeswalker — Tibalt
As Tibalt enters, you get an emblem with "You may play cards exiled with Tibalt, Cosmic Impostor, and you may spend mana as though it were mana of any color to cast those spells."
+2: Exile the top card of each player's library.
−3: Exile target artifact or creature.
−8: Exile all graveyards. Add .
Loyalty: 5
deft belfry
yeah, its one i havent really tried , valki is fun, just your harmless hooded-guy
wicked gust
I been sitting on a copy of him for a long time
deft belfry
you need another commander to get the card art on the back
dont forget to put on your [[glasses of urza]]
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Artifact
: Look at target player's hand.
wicked gust
....why lol
deft belfry
wicked gust
Isn't that stupid expensive? Reserve list?
deft belfry
valki trying to be a badass
[[$glasses of urza]] expensive.. maybe for me but i got one
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wicked gust
Ah well A version is expensive
deft belfry
30th anniv for trolls
storm fox
since the very only me, myself and i, can't stop brewing new decks i now present to you kairi, the swirling sky, a continuation of Ao, the dawn sky
https://moxfield.com/decks/CMMRsF4QQ0ilIfyV8ODbLw
tho i do feel like i need another wincon other than milling myself either with or without combo and/or more interesting/unique blue instants and sorceries
deft belfry
[[Kari the swirling sky]] time to open this black box
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Legendary Creature — Dragon Spirit
Flying, ward 
When Kairi dies, choose one —
• Return any number of target nonland permanents with total mana value 6 or less to their owners' hands.
• Mill six cards, then return up to two instant and/or sorcery cards from your graveyard to your hand.
6/6
deft belfry
ah the ultimate token killing machine that resemble [[leyline of sigularity]] in the commander zone
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storm fox
the most important pieces would probably be [[turnabout]] and [[reset]], dream halls and maybe conspiracy unraveler?
storm fox
together with a (instant speed in case of reset) clone effect
deft belfry
i heard [[unravel]] <.<
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deft belfry
[[!conspiracy unraveler]]
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deft belfry
hmm it is a high cost card in itself tho
storm fox
yeah, haven't had it while playtesting it yet, but i would think that it's a good card to have in there just in case?
deft belfry
the easiest win con in commander is always commander dmg, a [[hero blade]] would make Kairi much more lethal
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +3/+2.
Whenever a legendary creature you control enters, you may attach this Equipment to it.
Equip 
(: Attach to target creature you control. Equip only as a sorcery.)
The best swords are forged with dragonfire.
deft belfry
but i will explore what spell slinger combowy win con there can be in mono blue
we are definitely on the same page tho on this one
storm fox
the easiest win con in commander is always commander dmg, a [[hero blade]] would...
i do also have a [[runechanters pike]] in there, and i think that one can go up to lethal if played right
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature has first strike and gets +X/+0, where X is the number of instant and sorcery cards in your graveyard.
Equip 
As sharp as its bearer's words of faith.
storm fox
i also found out that chaining extra turns is way to easy, thus i decided to do no extra turn spells, even tho a lot of kairi decks do have 1 or 2
deft belfry
[[dowsing dagger]] do seems hard to flip
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Artifact — Equipment
When this Equipment enters, target opponent creates two 0/2 green Plant creature tokens with defender.
Equipped creature gets +2/+1.
Whenever equipped creature deals combat damage to a player, you may transform this Equipment.
Equip
Lost Vale
Land
(Transforms from Dowsing Dagger.)
: Add three mana of any one color.
The pirates had ventured into the interior for treasure. They found something far greater.
deft belfry
yeah i also thought of extra turn, it would make it scary rreally fast
there is the 3 mana one i kinda of want to try
it skips your untap
but then it is another turn of draw and land drop, so it become ramp?
and blue do have [[unstopable plan]] if the untap matters
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storm fox
[[dramatic reversal]]
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am still on the fence about reversal, think i don't have enough mana rocks for it
deft belfry
with medallion and the djin, i am drawn toward [[arcane denial]] or spells with more generic pips more than like triple 
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deft belfry
[[quick study]] may have a place
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deft belfry
but not as good as the oily [[mindsplice apparatus]]
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Artifact
Flash
At the beginning of your upkeep, put an oil counter on this artifact.
Instant and sorcery spells you cast cost less to cast for each oil counter on this artifact.
storm fox
but not as good as the oily [[mindsplice apparatus]]
how did i mis that one?
deft belfry
it is easy to overlook once cards go over 4cmc
storm fox
hmmm may wrk
i think it also really depends on if opponents play creatures
deft belfry
the dream ould be [[mirage mockery]] for a second apparatus XD
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Sorcery
Choose one —
• Create a token that's a copy of target artifact creature you control.
• Create a token that's a copy of target nonartifact creature you control.
Entwine 
(Choose both if you pay the entwine cost.)
deft belfry
probably overkilled at the point
hmm i am used to commander players not blocking and taking the hit
so fliping the dagger is more dependent on having a creature to equip to
storm fox
ah right, didn't think about that
deft belfry
for all i care it can be an [[ornithopter]] but thats just not a common attacker in most decks
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storm fox
i decided to replace it
deft belfry
my most recent proudest find is adding [[junk winder]] into my [[the rani]] chaos jank deck and i added in [[noble's purse]] for extra synergy
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Creature — Serpent
Affinity for tokens (This spell costs less to cast for each token you control.)
Whenever a token you control enters, tap target nonland permanent an opponent controls. It doesn't untap during its controller's next untap step.
5/6
Artifact
This artifact enters tapped and with three coin counters on it.
, Remove a coin counter from this artifact: Create a Treasure token. (It's an artifact with ", Sacrifice this token: Add one mana of any color.")
deft belfry
the moment that even my ramp can have token synergy 😈
deft belfry
well i have so many bad cards in it so i need things to overcompensate
storm fox
as long as the deck works in the desired bracket it's good i think :)
deft belfry
gotta goldfish the curve on Kairi a little since there are so many high cost spells
i almost always start with B2 at this point
but not enough games to test
storm fox
gotta goldfish the curve on Kairi a little since there are so many high cost spe...
oh the curve is fucked rn im aware of that
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Legendary Creature — Demon
You can't cast Rakdos unless an opponent lost life this turn.
Flying, trample
Creature spells you cast cost less to cast for each 1 life your opponents have lost this turn.
6/6
deft belfry
few in between
storm fox
i almost always start with B2 at this point
i often build decks and playtest them, based on amount of turns it takes to present a win i decide brackets, or rebuilt a part of the deck often
deft belfry
ah, i c.
Since i played over a decade before bracket existed, B2 is just where i always been most comfortable playing in
and GC's are just cards that more or less goes against my personal philosophy and card choice
B3 with no GC is the challenge i would give myself for the right deck
for cards like [[three steps ahead]] i think you want to manually set the cmc is either 3 or 4
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Instant
Spree (Choose one or more additional costs.)
- — Counter target spell.
- — Create a token that's a copy of target artifact or creature you control.
- — Draw two cards, then discard a card.
She'd planned for every eventuality, with the obvious exception of failure.
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B3 with no GC is the challenge i would give myself for the right deck
i often build bracket 3 decks and then realise there are no gc in the entire deck
deft belfry
XD even better
storm fox
have you seen my [[kykar winds fury]] deck?
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Legendary Creature — Bird Wizard
Flying
Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, create a 1/1 white Spirit creature token with flying.
Sacrifice a Spirit: Add .
"The raging gale fans the flames of righteous wrath."
3/3
deft belfry
two GC is probably my ideal B3 deck for adjusting power, 3 shouldnt be my limiting factor but an intended choice
hmm probably not is it on your moxfield profile
storm fox
for cards like [[three steps ahead]] i think you want to manually set the cmc is...
mostly it'll probably be 4 because of the clone
storm fox
hmm probably not is it on your moxfield profile
yes
deft belfry
[[recall]] never seen this card, no idea how well it works
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[[recall]] never seen this card, no idea how well it works
i added it mostly as a backup in case i mill both lab man and jace during combo
deft belfry
lowest cost is 3 which will lose another card to recovery a card
storm fox
thus x will often be only 1 or 2
deft belfry
i remember scryfalling something similar let me grab that link
unless you want a permanent out of it, 2 blue is enough for an instant or sorcery
#1449194286099861514 message oops
https://scryfall.com/search?q=o%3Areturn+(o%3Ainstant+o%3A"from+your+graveyard")+id<%3Dub+game%3Apaper&unique=cards&as=grid&order=toughness
storm fox
unless you want a permanent out of it, 2 blue is enough for an instant or sorcer...
i do think i want to be abled to grab permanents out of the grave, since kairi already recurs instants and sorceries,
deft belfry
fair
i think for blue cards it was 28
black has 1 more
i can see [[archaeomancer]] being worth while
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deft belfry
but not sure
cold quartz
Monomon the question I had for you. I started building Henzie now and quickly threw together a deck, that's not at all optimized yet cuz I was tired. idk if when you start a deck you follow a template or not but regardless after that step how do holistically analyze the deck to determine what it needs and what it doesn't by just looking at it, i.e what are you looking out for, what signposts in the deck can let you know how to tune it when they are all so different
storm fox
i can see [[archaeomancer]] being worth while
you mean in case kairi gets exiled?
deft belfry
you mean in case kairi gets exiled?
in case kairi tax gets too high
dying means it has to leave and it is likely to cost more than 6 to recast
but the fact that you can get it back with Recall can probably cheat it once or twice in this deck
deft belfry
Monomon the question I had for you. I started building Henzie now and quickly th...
if it is specifically Henzie tool box, apparently there is a whole discord server around it
storm fox
also, when he dies, i can also grab something like a high tide back, also i can recast him with the unraveler and dream halls too
deft belfry
i dont follow that server often but there are many people who is either trying to "solve" or has already "solved" henzie
cold quartz
if it is specifically Henzie tool box, apparently there is a whole discord serve...
Really?! That's cool
deft belfry
i will send you the link in your dm
cold quartz
Hmm, I don't want it "solved" after marchesa I'm a bit nervous to end up with a deck too strong, but I will definitely take s look
deft belfry
did it work
i think you can use it as a template
but there will definitely be something to take away with how you want to recast henzie
cold quartz
did it work
Didn't receive yet
deft belfry
Monomon the question I had for you. I started building Henzie now and quickly th...
harder decks i kind of do a mental template, most of the time i prefer slapping random things i like together. been trying to work backward from the 99 instead of starting with a clear idea of a commander
my standard template is like 33 command tower and 30~ish ornithropter of paradise no sol ring arcane signet. even if my deck is mono coloured. and then work the rest around my theme/ self restriction
i do more individual card analysis to figure out how much i want to play the card in a deck, such as certain legendary commander gives more flexible card choices so i can have more jank, or weaker commander need extra good stuff in the 99 to make it work
but that 63 sources of mana is just very extreme as if i am preparing myself for an average of 4-5 cmc curve
if my commander is a 1-2 drop, i really dont need that much mana
the easiest way to visualize a deck is just tagging each card, to see which category need extra help, what are overlaps to pull the deck together more
and i really dont do the hardcore math, girl-math at best 😅
cold quartz
Yeah I went buckwild with the tags on Henzie for sure, so many sections
deft belfry
expectations: Do you want it to be like a fast battlecruiser combo-y deck or a more random creature "Who dafuq play this card LMFAO" moments
and pick the ones that suit your needs
cold quartz
But ok that makes sense, I do similar where I throw a 99 together fast without thinking about individual cards too much because i find it much easier if I have something "written down" to work off of, I just don't often know where to go from there because I'm not sure if I need more ramp or removal or card draw/w.e
deft belfry
because of all the potential green ramp, decks with green can almost look at their mana cost reduced by 1 after Turn 2
i think there is some command zone podcast about their template that i can agree with and has indepth details on it. probably ft Rachael
but the simple explanation would be
cold quartz
Yeah I've for sure watched those
deft belfry
a commander is that card you always have access to: therefore
storm fox
in case kairi tax gets too high
maybe a bit to neat of tech, but might crucible of worlds be worth it here for consisent land drops with all kairi's self mill?
deft belfry
if the commander is the card draw engine, you can get away with less draw in the 99
if commander has the mana ramp in it, you may not need as much ramp
etc etc
removal is more on how much interaction you think you want
draw = more chances of seeing cards in the 99 therefore fewer of the above cards can still get to it
deft belfry
maybe a bit to neat of tech, but might crucible of worlds be worth it here for c...
🤔 got myself distracted with the Kykar deck lol
storm fox
🤔 got myself distracted with the Kykar deck lol
lol, i mean fair, it's a fun deck
deft belfry
about an hr before i go to work i will figure something out about "something"
storm fox
about an hr before i go to work i will figure something out about "something"
i gotta give that deck a name lmao
deft belfry
"How high of a mana curve can i reach in mono blue"
storm fox
good one
deft belfry
nah thats nothing, its not even [[!lorthos the tidemaker]]
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storm fox
"How high of a mana curve can i reach in mono blue"
wait a minute, just lemme include [[enter the infinite]]
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deft belfry
[[weird detective]]
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deft belfry
[[streamcore scholar]]
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deft belfry
my first concern here is how to make sure i can hit all my land drops without keeping a 5 land hand
storm fox
soooo, more draw?
wicked gust
..I need some opinions lol [[Awakened inferno]] [[emberwilde captain]] or [[Stormfist Crusader]] for the karduur deck
deft belfry
yeah any stupid ways to find lands in blue
wicked gust
I'm iffy on stormfist
storm fox
yeah any stupid ways to find lands in blue
should i maybe replace token generators for etb draw effects? or are those too good to keep?
deft belfry
https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/875/chandra-awakened-inferno
starting with chandra, high mana cost, no utility, just raw damage. unless the deck already have the ramp and draw. it is kinda a meh win con cards. which is why it doesnt get see played in commander
deft belfry
should i maybe replace token generators for etb draw effects? or are those too g...
i mean token generator that comes out early can be skullclamped so they would actually work WITH card draw rather than against
if need draw, adding skullclamp even in a blue deck with few creature is probably efficient enough
curves below 4 can be anything, but above 5 drop is where it gets hard to play
not playing a card because you want to hold onto is one thing, not being able to play it because you dont have enough mana is another
deft belfry
I'm iffy on stormfist
it is kind of a weak creature that does damage on your turn. so if howling mine isnt your thing then consider other draw options
its is a perfect low cost card to curve in my rakdos, lord
the monarch captain, is one of the few ways to get draws and play with monarch. normally it has little synergy but with kardur you should be able to keep it longer
and you can flicker it to regain monarch
and since the opponent want to take monarch, they want to attack you, and reduce their hand size; they will have to play their hand for you to goad
storm fox
i mean token generator that comes out early can be skullclamped so they would ac...
the token generators in question would be all cmc 4 tho, but you say including skullclamp might work?
i guess that i can even equip my commander
deft belfry
so surprisingly everything lines up
yeah i wouldnt mind having token generator, frabicate and skullclamp
when i am waiting to bring out a 6 drop commander, the early turns i can do jack-shit and not care about a thing as long as i dont die out of nowhere
wicked gust
and since the opponent want to take monarch, they want to attack you, and reduce...
So sounds like the captain stays lol
storm fox
when i am waiting to bring out a 6 drop commander, the early turns i can do jack...
fair
deft belfry
late game, the tokens + value should be able to swing out with an army
yeah, i like captain monarch. 4 cmc is about its biggest downside but monarch usually cost that much
storm fox
late game, the tokens + value should be able to swing out with an army
gotta decide what to cut for a skullclamp then
maybe [[phyrexian metamorph]]? cuz it's not recurable
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Artifact Creature — Phyrexian Shapeshifter
(
can be paid with either or 2 life.)
You may have this creature enter as a copy of any artifact or creature on the battlefield, except it's an artifact in addition to its other types.
0/0
deft belfry
but thats one of the best clone
storm fox
nvm then
deft belfry
if i get a sol ring copy, i am happen with my worn power stone
storm fox
fair
deft belfry
oh lol [[echo storm]] the commander storm
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deft belfry
5 mana is both deceptive and weirdly efficient
because you would basically never cast it before Kairi but with just one more copy, thats 2 clones for 5 mana @ 2.5 mana per clone
almost [[phantasm image]] rate
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deft belfry
copying someone else 4 drop creature, i am getting value
hello sadder golem that dies easily
storm fox
https://scryfall.com/card/moc/221/echo-storm
should i include a [[liquimetal torque]] for weird synergy?
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Artifact
: Add 
.
: Target nonland permanent becomes an artifact in addition to its other types until end of turn.
"Weaponized jewelry has a long and respected history." —Ervos Trax
deft belfry
beats the fellwar stone already
deft belfry
mono coloour dont need fixing, i wouldnt consider that one in the first place
storm fox
it was in there cuz it was one of the first few 2 drop rock i thought of
deft belfry
i am more desperate for rocks that taps for more than 1 mana [[coalition relic]]
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Artifact
: Add one mana of any color.
: Put a charge counter on this artifact.
At the beginning of your first main phase, remove all charge counters from this artifact. Add one mana of any color for each charge counter removed this way.
deft belfry
oh and any decks that play at instant speed benfit from the [[bender waterskin]] ofc
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Artifact
Untap this artifact during each other player's untap step.
: Add one mana of any color.
Katara's waterskin ensured that she would always have water for bending, healing, or drinking.
deft belfry
even if just 1 mana on your turn, its basically 3 more mana on other turns
deft belfry
not really
you dont have much before turn 4
having double blue mana open
is how you can politic your way out
bluff or not
if there is a jank in mono blue, it is probably [[telepathy]] make the table fight against each other
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storm fox
if there is a jank in mono blue, it is probably [[telepathy]] make the table fig...
that is absolute jank
storm fox
maybe a bit better with tabletop sim?
never played in tabletop
deft belfry
that is absolute jank
but thats like the super counter spell to every game plan about to happen
storm fox
should i replace arcane signet and thoughtvessel for those 3 cmc drop then?
storm fox
but thats like the super counter spell to every game plan about to happen
i should find a spot for it just because
deft belfry
i think thoughtvessal utility maybe worth it
storm fox
but thats like the super counter spell to every game plan about to happen
fits even better in my kykar deck, maybe there
deft belfry
arcane signet depends on final product
because if there are no other 3 mana rock you need, a 2 mana one doesnt hurt
[[midnight clock]] is my sad card
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Artifact
: Add .
: Put an hour counter on this artifact.
At the beginning of each upkeep, put an hour counter on this artifact.
When the twelfth hour counter is put on this artifact, shuffle your hand and graveyard into your library, then draw seven cards. Exile this artifact.
deft belfry
i have never got to 12
storm fox
f
deft belfry
i plan on using [[march of the machine]] with training ground just so that i can get it
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storm fox
i run that in my [[queza augur of agonies]] deck,
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storm fox
hits 12 everytime somehow
deft belfry
my highest was like 9
my pods are very unforgiving when it comes to removals
random pods
but i also didnt play mid night clock that many times in my life
storm fox
yeah, i often play in this channel https://discord.com/channels/574711449566445603/959448440260141066
storm fox
i think i'll change the signet for the relic, that helps getting kairi out 2 turns faster on its own i believe
cold quartz
mon can you ping me when your back on, i am so lost in the sauce
deft belfry
and that still leaves me with a sol ring thought vessel turn 1 option
may not have enough creatures for [[kefnet's monument]] can check on that one
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Legendary Artifact
Blue creature spells you cast cost less to cast.
Whenever you cast a creature spell, target creature an opponent controls doesn't untap during its controller's next untap step.
"The worthy shall cultivate a nimble mind to perceive the glorious wonders that await them." —Monument inscription
deft belfry
mon can you ping me when your back on, i am so lost in the sauce
eating, but i will be around
cold quartz
sounds good
ill drop this in here to take a look when you get a sec
https://moxfield.com/decks/HktWV4v9xUin_O1IZX78LA
with tags on you can see placed what i mainly had and untagged for potential swaps, though i still have like 110 cards tagged
deft belfry
may also swap the silver myr for [[miliking]]
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deft belfry
[[!millikin]]
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deft belfry
for henzie is 1 drop mana dork the norm?
i am not sure about the importance of anger since blitz would give haste, but i guess there are cases where something isnt cheated out with blitz
but then [[living death]] would also take anger out of the grave
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deft belfry
the biggest creature package i am less concern about since only the curve matters there, most would have some cost reduction or etb, attack/damage trigger, and/or ltb value play
this part probably will get lot of cut near the end depends on how fast the deck is, how much mana fixing matters, creature count etb
i already dont own BoP and halfling so they are things i wouldnt have to worry about, but for average mana mixing + best value, they are basically the best you can get
and high creature count makes all the creature synergy stronger i assume. from [[beast whisperer]] to $[[elemental bond]] $$ [[guardian project]] to $$$[[the great henge]]
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Legendary Artifact
This spell costs less to cast, where X is the greatest power among creatures you control.
: Add 
. You gain 2 life.
Whenever a nontoken creature you control enters, put a +1/+1 counter on it and draw a card.
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whenever you want to start low and upgrade or downgrade at the potential optimization, you may want to know what the deck is doing and what you want to do turn after turn
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for henzie is 1 drop mana dork the norm?
sorry for late reply, playing another game rn gimme a few, but yeah its norm to try and get him out turn 2 with a bunch of 1 mana dorks
deft belfry
NP i just got back not long ago
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deff have too much ramp in the top end but not sure there
deft belfry
i mean, if you want to blitz out more creatures, there is no harm in that
another thing would be, how unique/generic you would like the deck to be
some cards works in almost every situation while some are so narrow that people would never see it coming for the extreme gotch-moment
i pull off a [[ravenous trap]] on the combo player one time and i enjoy all that salt coming from it
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Instant — Trap
If an opponent had three or more cards put into their graveyard from anywhere this turn, you may pay 
rather than pay this spell's mana cost.
Exile target player's graveyard.
deft belfry
it just so happens to be one of my deck's weakness and i can use that card on myself if i needed to
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some cards works in almost every situation while some are so narrow that people ...
i deff want a bit of both and have it be uniquely mine or i could just run another list
deft belfry
he put exactly 3 zombies into the grave before trying to reanimate like 5 things back with Gary drain
and budget $ has no relevance to your cuts?
because terror of the peaks is probably one of the most generic win con and eye catching thread in all of power matter creature swarm decks
MH3 MDFCs are generic with basically no real down side [[disciple of freylis]] doing something [[disciple of bolas]] would never do
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[[disciple of freyalise]]
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Creature — Elf Druid
When this creature enters, you may sacrifice another creature. If you do, you gain X life and draw X cards, where X is that creature's power.
"Freyalise is gone, but her song lives on."
3/3
Garden of Freyalise
Land
As this land enters, you may pay 3 life. If you don't, it enters tapped.
: Add .
The Juniper Order safeguards secret places that still thrum with traces of Freyalise's life-giving magic.
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i will never understand the flavour behind it, apparently Freyalise and Bolas teaching the same thing
for someone who may have a hard time with tutor, the pod may need you to line up all your potential targets ahead of time
and with blitz death trigger, you also draw before each search if that matters
open options is good but too many options is a pain to choose from
[[corrupted conviction]] the second village rite if ever need it
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the next in between is called [[desperate measure]]
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i am not sure about the importance of anger since blitz would give haste, but i ...
it s eems good for the reanimation and i am running quite a few sac outlets, importantly some free outlets, to sac him when he comes back from living death type effects so it seems pretty good, and if henzie ever gets shut down pretty hard then i still have a haste enabler
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and high creature count makes all the creature synergy stronger i assume. from [...
hard to say on that, generally i think i want card draw on creatures instead of enchantments so im not taking a turn off from blitzing when hes out
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whenever you want to start low and upgrade or downgrade at the potential optimiz...
i want my general game plan to get out t2 henzie into blitzing t3-4, potentially with big ramp blitz target, sac creatures for extra value before they get sacced from henzie and reanimate them back once theyre in the yard
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i pull off a [[ravenous trap]] on the combo player one time and i enjoy all that...
oh thats a sick card and a sick play. with these decks that are running renaimate from other yards too its hard for me to know how much yard hate i want to run
deft belfry
i think you may as well just turbo yourself and ignore others
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and budget $ has no relevance to your cuts?
some relevence, no $1500 gaia's cradle, the price doesnt concern me as much as matching my tables power level
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i think you may as well just turbo yourself and ignore others
yeah thats kind of what i was thinking, very tempo, almost aggro
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henzie out, big stuff guns out, aim and try to go for the kill. graveyard set up for the finale blow out
there are not enough anti-grave hate
so if there is a [[rest in peace]] you just have to accept defeat
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for someone who may have a hard time with tutor, the pod may need you to line up...
what do you mean by this, can you word it a different way
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open options is good but too many options is a pain to choose from
yeah too true
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so if there is a [[rest in peace]] you just have to accept defeat
yeah true, i dont think ive seen that card once in my pod
deft belfry
maybe not for you, i remember a conversation with someone where both of us agree that tutoring for any card in a general situation is kind of difficult
and taking up time to tutor because there are too many choices and which one is best for the situation
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some relevence, no $1500 gaia's cradle, the price doesnt concern me as much as m...
for instance, my marchesa deck was quite expensive but because it wasnt matching my tables power i powered it down, the cost of things doesnt really affect my decision on that
that being said the first cut was sheoldred apo 😛
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oh yeah that was with you lol with marchsa
extreme low budget could be an interesting restriction tho
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true, and this could be a good deck to do it, since cheap bombs still explode
and help with deck building if i cant jsut pick from 100k cards
deft belfry
entire deck is only $5?!?!
deft belfry
what kind of country you lived in where your $5 is worth more than everywhere else XD
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well that was according to the deck creator, when i looked at it i think the prices of certain things rose so it was 10 or 15
deft belfry
i think the cheapest card i can get is like 15 cents even if heavily played, average card is at least 25c and is very bad, decent card is around $2
i used to get commons at 10*cent a piece over a decade ago
missed a 0
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yeah the quality was so bad that i preferred the 20 dollar version lol
he had a range of budget decks for her
deft belfry
now you can play with no sleeves
😏
"I like it without protection" proceed to riffle shuffle
deft belfry
i used to still do play with my penny sleeved decks
just so that my deck is sleeved with something that matches the price of the deck
or less than what it is worth
but i also ended up with double sleeved with penny sleeve on an $80 card so thats no longer true
got lot of sleeves this year
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whats a penny sleeve? the clear ones?
deft belfry
yeah it used to be $1 for 100 count
penny sleeves
now they are like $2.50
[[treeshake chimera]] feels bit weak compare to the rest
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the death replace itself + refill but the mana cost is high since that combat ability is technically just [[taunting elf]]
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thats fair, draw 4 isnt worth 6 for sure but it does make my other creatures pseudo unblockable since they have to b lock the chimera
deft belfry
i think at 7 mana you can probably do more since lot of the things that are blitz out are going to die in the same turn [[avenger of zendikar]] lose its value if the tokens stop growing
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yeah true thats deff a cut
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[[game keeper]] oh hey just realized thats the same card in front of my keyboard
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my urza's copy looks so old, anyways its is a gamble since there are many mana dorks it can whiff
yet the base cost is low enough it is probably okay
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yeah i am considering cutting it though since i feel a lot of my other 4s are more impactful
deft belfry
all the cmc matter sac tho [[birthing ritual]] will be hard to test
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and it has a non 0 chance to hit a 1 mana dork
deft belfry
i think it is more fun with the roulette
but if you aredoing pod and sac, it is much easier to find
exactly what you want
cold quartz
birthing ritual isnt even a roulette for this deck
deft belfry
i mean the keeper
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o
deft belfry
it is the roulette
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ah yeah
yeah and the cool thing with birthing is i can look before saccing if i miss
deft belfry
ritual do have the cmc restriction so it is technically a bad birthing pod
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and low enough cmc to play with another card on the same turn so im not just setting up
deft belfry
7 is a deep enough dig most of the time
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yeah i dont like that art, havent changed art for cards yet haha they just sometimes get spawned in with wierd stuff
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most recent or cheapest copy set as default
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oh i recalled an anti grave hate card
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[[jecht, reluctant guardian]]
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[[con crossroad]]
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[[haunted crossroad]]
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Enchantment
: Put target creature card from your graveyard on top of your library.
It seemed as if no one wanted them to reach the Henge of Ramos—not even the dead.
deft belfry
saw your one miracle creature and reminded me that there are ways to save things from the grave
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hmm that does seem nice, depends on how hard i ramp to play it alongside stuff later because 99% of the time it wont be played until turn 5 or 6
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is [[venom lethal protector]] 6 cmc on the back
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Legendary Creature — Human Hero Villain
When Eddie Brock enters, return target creature card with mana value 1 or less from your graveyard to the battlefield.
: Transform Eddie Brock. Activate only as a sorcery.
"I've got the nose for the story. He's got the hunger for the kill. Together..."
3/3
Venom, Lethal Protector
Legendary Creature — Symbiote Hero Villain
Menace, trample, haste
Whenever Venom attacks, you may sacrifice another creature. If you do, draw X cards, then you may put a permanent card with mana value X or less from your hand onto the battlefield, where X is the sacrificed creature's mana value.
"... we are Venom!"
5/5
deft belfry
only a 5/5 but that attack trigger is quite strong if you can blitz two things in
maybe too far fetch tho
not enough overlap with henzie
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[[illharg, the rze-boar]] does something similar without needing the flip, not too sure how useful getting back a dork is
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deft belfry
was one of the more unique cards from spiderman the awful set
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no draw but no flip cost either
deft belfry
it has a casting cost on the back so you dont actually flip
it basically has 2 and a half side
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and eddie cant be blitzed out, the 3cmc slot i want almost 0 creatures unless they go so hard
deft belfry
front side, back side, front flip to back side
deft belfry
i assume the back has its own mana cost which is 6, but it doesnt matter here
yeah that was the thought, but henzie is not here to play the biggest creature
more about the value
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the toolbox, if you will 😄
deft belfry
it is more of a [[!sneak attack]] style overlap
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ignore creature type, power, cost, just straight up cheap at instant speed
most interesting if it is a creature with tap ability, cheat out on opponent's end step
untap, tap or attack with on your own turn
or sun dial moment
cold quartz
yeah thats true, do i have enough draw to facilitate it would be the question then
deft belfry
obeka secret commander 👀
sneak attack is probably more of a back up
blitz only replace the card itself so you dont really go up in hand advanatage
and once the creature dies, you have no real blockers
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is there an obeka i dont know thats not brute chronologist or splitter of seconds
theyre in blue
deft belfry
yeah obeka is grixis
not a henzie 99
you only have sun dial
and all the black tutors
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yeah the replace itself effect is why i was worried about the draw to facilitate sneak attack
deft belfry
or green tutor if you want creatures
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i want to keep my tutor count hella low
deft belfry
because the "double up death trigger" really make blitz sacrifice worth it
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or else i would be too tempted to get [[protean hulk]]
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i might honestly remove him because i thought i was excluding the combo cards for it, but no they are in there lol
deft belfry
is hulk infinite in here
cold quartz
yeah
deft belfry
i only looked at half the cards
oh ok
yeah i was also thinking of removing him
or do a second build of henzie
cold quartz
i wouldnt mind a combo in marchesa that i wouldnt be able to tutor for so if im blowing over the table im not just spinning my wheels
deft belfry
one commander two 99 no overlays
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but i dont think this one will have that issue
just [[birgi, god of storytelling]] and [[archmage of runes]] was giving me hella long turns with all of the instant/sorcery recursion
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Legendary Creature — God
Whenever you cast a spell, add . Until end of turn, you don't lose this mana as steps and phases end.
Creatures you control can boast twice during each of your turns rather than once.
"This is a tale to make all Kaldheim tremble..."
3/3
Harnfel, Horn of Bounty
Legendary Artifact
Discard a card: Exile the top two cards of your library. You may play those cards this turn.
Like her well of stories, Birgi's horn never runs dry.
Creature — Giant Wizard
Instant and sorcery spells you cast cost less to cast.
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, draw a card.
He's so intent on his study that others think him frozen in place.
3/6
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kek
yeah birgi does that
probably the second reason why i will probably never get a copy of birgi
stormkiln is enough for my treasure thrill
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but despite the turn being so long and the table waiting, like wondering am i dead, i spun my wheels and like nope not even close to dead
oh yeah stormkiln is heat
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"Why do you have 35 [[gitixian probe]] in your deck... and why is your life total higher than all of us combine..."
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Sorcery
( can be paid with either or 2 life.)
Look at target player's hand.
Draw a card.
"My flesh holds no secrets, monster. The spirit of Mirrodin will fight on." —Vy Covalt, Mirran resistance
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hahaha yeahhh
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it is pretty nice, though most of the decks i play dont have good phyrexian cost spells suited for it
at least that i know of
also call me crazy but i kinda want to drop heroic interevention, dont think it fits well in this deck with all the sacrificing im going to have a pretty empty board a lot of the time
deft belfry
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and im running very few permanents that arent creatures
phyrexian counterspell
now thats busted
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Counter everything, almost split second style
[[noxious revive]] i get away with in some of the thematic B2 decks
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Instant
(
can be paid with either or 2 life.)
Put target card from a graveyard on top of its owner's library.
"Dead or alive, my creations are stronger than Jin-Gitaxias's septic minions." —Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger
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oh thats cool
deft belfry
it is both grave hate and grave protection, recovery , all for free
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in green no less
deft belfry
even counters deck out one time
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which comes up suprisingly often at my table with no mill players lol
deft belfry
your table need more friendly group hug
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🤮
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ohhh maybe this has a place in your meta [[keen stone]]
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Artifact
, : Target player mills X cards, where X is the number of cards in that player's graveyard.
As it spins, dead voices shriek in an ever-increasing cacophony, rending the mind asunder.
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that was from a group hug precon btw
but damn 11 mana to use once
who designed that
🤦 🤦
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i cant remember its name but it was 3 color tap your commander to give everyone 3 mana and you take damage based on unspent mana as steps and phases end
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yep thats the one
deft belfry
love it but that one i had to avoid like every infinite combo to feel fair
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im more of a kibo guy for my hugging
deft belfry
[[winter antro]] is kinda a neat way of "hugging"
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Criatura legendaria — Brujo humano
Rebatir .
Al comienzo de tu mantenimiento, cada jugador roba dos cartas.
Delirio — Mientras entre las cartas de tu cementerio haya cuatro o más tipos de cartas, el tamaño máximo de la mano de cada oponente es igual a siete menos la cantidad de esos tipos de cartas.
3/4
cold quartz
lol wtf
deft belfry
better learn to read whatever French that is
deft belfry
every French i dont understand is just French to me
cold quartz
oh that is interesting
im assuming it still plays the classics of taking damage on drawing cards
deft belfry
nope
cold quartz
hmm
deft belfry
dickhand size reduction
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how does it work with reliquary tower
deft belfry
you have to destroy the tower or else winter doesnt affect that player
cold quartz
a lot of the random decks i play love to run that and thought vessel even though they arent drawing that many cards
deft belfry
so that player will become archenemy along side you
cold quartz
ah ok
deft belfry
i think snail has a video essay on vessel
cold quartz
ive watched it and very much agree
deft belfry
most decks dont need it
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since he pointed it out i see it all over the place now
deft belfry
i think one of the few that wants it is [[niv mizz reborn]] even tho i want my 5colours
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it just gets so many cards and the mid-range/control late game cares about a hand
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otherwise, you never really need more than 7 cards in most games
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you keep fat grips with that deck
deft belfry
[[knowledge is power]]
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deft belfry
i think the precon face commander has no hand size limit on it
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[[heliod rediant dawn]] you called me?
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Legendary Enchantment Creature — God
When Heliod enters, return target enchantment card that isn't a God from your graveyard to your hand.
: Transform Heliod. Activate only as a sorcery. ( can be paid with either or 2 life.)
"Compleat the faith, compleat the god." —Ajani Goldmane
4/4
Heliod, the Warped Eclipse
Legendary Enchantment Creature — Phyrexian God
You may cast spells as though they had flash.
Spells you cast cost less to cast for each card your opponents have drawn this turn.
"Compleat the god, compleat the plane." —Ajani Goldmane
4/6
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oh fuck that goes hard
deft belfry
i even nonbo'ed myself with [[shared fate]]
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deft belfry
and wheeled, but my spells are useless for my opponent
and i am drawing like 40+ cards to deck them out
cold quartz
hahaha thats hilarious
deft belfry
yes, my table suffered thought that original group hug idea
cold quartz
what troopers
deft belfry
they wheeled for cards they cant play, and watch me storm
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at that point im running to the bathroom, grabbing food ect and letting you live your fantasies hahah
deft belfry
what did you get out of the henzie server?
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my buddy last night with a b2 deck was storming with artifacts, made 200 clue, treasure and food tokens in one turn
deft belfry
then you killed him
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a lot, lots of math stuff, card options and helped me figure out what i want my henzie deck to be
i sure did
deft belfry
isnt the food enough to save his life?
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he had to stop because i had sheoldred apo out
he used up his treasure until he only had like 12 left
cold quartz
another player counterspelled my vandalblast so i tutored a blasphemous act, he had 100 clues and food with nothing up
but yeah looking at the henzie stuff was where i got a lot of these cards
cold quartz
oh god
i forgot about vandalblast in marchesa until i glanced at another list LOL
but yeah [[industrial advancement]] seems to slow
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[[jecht, reluctant guardian]] seems like a worse version of other options
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not sure i have the draw for [[illharg, the raze-boar]]
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as a plus for jecht i do like cards that have my opponents discard
[[savage ventmaw]] pays for itself but doesnt ramp future turns
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Creature — Dragon
Flying
Whenever this creature attacks, add . Until end of turn, you don't lose this mana as steps and phases end.
4/4
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most of the time +1 mana +1 card which i dont think is worth a slot
deft belfry
[[jecht, reluctant guardian]] seems like a worse version of other options
its interesting but that about it
ilharg is at least a 6/6 trample that never dies for long so for 5 mana that cheat out 2 creatures its not bad
cold quartz
with protean hulk out i dont think i need a free sac outlet so maybe drop viscera seer
deft belfry
but not a kill
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which is good, just not currently interested in it
flying dmg is nice but only a 4/4
deft belfry
i think you are not worried about mana on the high end
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yeah i also liked my other cards in the ramp package more
deft belfry
good cut
cold quartz
if i drop him i think ramp is prolly done, maybe could use 1 more cut but that can come when we are finished
deft belfry
ok
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ive felt iffy on [[jaxis, the troublemaker]] not sure how to analyze the worth of it
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Legendary Creature — Human Warrior
, , Discard a card: Create a token that's a copy of another target creature you control. It gains haste and "When this token dies, draw a card." Sacrifice it at the beginning of the next end step. Activate only as a sorcery.
Blitz (If you cast this spell for its blitz cost, it gains haste and "When this creature dies, draw a card." Sacrifice it at the beginning of the next end step.)
2/3
deft belfry
ggoing to take a shower and then lurk around
cold quartz
ok sounds good
deft belfry
for red clone, it has decent efficiency
but it really dependso n what is getting copies
i would find [[bramble sovereign more interesting but thats not exactly a henzie card
i am a clone addict so [[parallel evolution]] [[second harvest]] [[rootcast apparentice]]
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Sorcery
For each creature token on the battlefield, its controller creates a token that's a copy of that creature.
Flashback (You may cast this card from your graveyard for its flashback cost. Then exile it.)
deft belfry
jaxis can make copy of anything as a creature which is somewhat rare in red, but it cant do anything by itself
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mon how many death triggers outside of the blitz card draw do you think i would need for [[drivnod, carnage dominus]] to be good
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Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Horror
If a creature dying causes a triggered ability of a permanent you control to trigger, that ability triggers an additional time.
, Exile three creature cards from your graveyard: Put an indestructible counter on Drivnod. ( can be paid with either or 2 life.)
8/3
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yeah take a look again please, im down to the final 5
deft belfry
yeah i am looking
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for sure 1 or 2 from the removal suite but not sure which
deft belfry
jaxis is better with non legend but i do find it to have some of the most interesting synergy
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and maybe 1 from the ramp suite but not sure which
yeah it sounds cool i want to try it
and im right around 10 for drivnod..maybe could be good?
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and maybe drop karlach since i dont get extra mana?
deft belfry
i often main deck blood artist because there are enough things to die
cold quartz
i wont have a wide board so it will only be a couple creatures attacking again
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maybe [[village rights]]?
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deft belfry
yeah i dont mind that cut
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[[village rites]]
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deft belfry
sad golem, rite, is noxious gearhulk life gain important
thinking between that , [[primaris eliminator]] and [[revenous chupacabra]]
cold quartz
potentially, i havent ran through to see how many things drain my life
deft belfry
maybe take out chupacabra for now
cold quartz
noxious is a 6 mana chupacabra
deft belfry
keep the curve higher to see where it is at
2/2 not a good attacker
and cheating cost should make it somewhat worthy
cold quartz
oh i think i found the last one
gray merchant is really bad in here
damn i like that guy though
deft belfry
oh yeah i thought that was gone already
cold quartz
i forgot about it and didnt see him with all the tag crazyness that was happening
deft belfry
hmm gary gets boring after a while
deft belfry
i do [[kaya ghostform]] a lot since it gets around path and sword
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[[eternity journey]] works better with sacrifice
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Legendary Enchantment — Aura
Enchant creature you control
When enchanted creature dies, return it to the battlefield under your control, then return this card to the battlefield transformed under your control.
Every journey has its inevitable end . . .
Atzal, Cave of Eternity
Legendary Land
(Transforms from Journey to Eternity.)
: Add one mana of any color.
, : Return target creature card from your graveyard to the battlefield.
. . . but every end is a new beginning.
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alright i think theres prolly 1 thing left before i playtest this bad boy
is there a third game changer that fits that isnt gaia or a tutor
deft belfry
already forgot what is the current GC list
deft belfry
didnt think you would remove balefire XD i was thinking of him too
i guess the other creatures are just too good
cold quartz
yeah haha, good problem to have
also [[incinerator of the guilty]] is basically the same effect for 1 less
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deft belfry
jeska's will for card advantage, oppositional agent for meta game counter
i guess [[survival of the fitest]] is a GC didnt know
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Enchantment
, Discard a creature card: Search your library for a creature card, reveal that card, put it into your hand, then shuffle.
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green only is a bit narrow
[[glacial chasm]] [[the one ring]] generic good stuff that stall until an answer is found
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Legendary Artifact
Indestructible
When The One Ring enters, if you cast it, you gain protection from everything until your next turn.
At the beginning of your upkeep, you lose 1 life for each burden counter on The One Ring.
: Put a burden counter on The One Ring, then draw a card for each burden counter on The One Ring.
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yeah, surv deffinitely is the best in the deck but i want to try tutorless first
deft belfry
actually i didnt remember the part where creature cant attack
cold quartz
yeah i was reading that and was like huh
deft belfry
so it is really just a fog effect that can be replayed with crucible
was looking at the GC idr what they are
red has hardly any
cold quartz
underworld breach could be cool but i dont think i fill the yard nearly enough for it
deft belfry
yeah those are kind of combo pieces
cold quartz
hmm and for how i want to run the deck i dont want to let off the brakes to play the one ring..maybe i just stay at 2?
deft belfry
works for me
cold quartz
ecluding lands and sideboard i dont think anything is too crazy cost wise, except for ol gnawbone
oh and deflecting
thank you for all your help again!! fucking invaluable
wicked gust
Yo @deft belfry , thoughts on my Calix deck?I love it https://moxfield.com/decks/laitm3TWgkWHr3XqpKxIEg
storm fox
may not have enough creatures for [[kefnet's monument]] can check on that one
hadn't even ralised the reduction was only on creatures
storm fox
hadn't even ralised the reduction was only on creatures
think i might replace it with [[scour for scrap]], gives me a way to both tutor for artifacts (the planar lens) and also get them back from the grave
shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
[[planar lens]]
shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
ah that
4 mana tutor instant actually looks really good, not sure if i have a deck for it
maybe when i got the all creature-types nexus deck working
[[jade monolith]]
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Artifact
: The next time a source of your choice would deal damage to target creature this turn, that source deals that damage to you instead.
deft belfry
this is probably one of the jankiest way i know to get some weird COMBAT dmg trigger
although i guess it may not work well with [[calix guides by fate]] since it is a high cool artifact and enchanted creatures hits like a truck
shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
but idea is very silly to redirect damage onto opponent's creature onto yourself in order to trigger combat damage to yourself on Opponent's turn
deft belfry
did you forget the best constellation [[eidolon of blossoms]]
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wicked gust
I had TOO many draws, so I cut it
Plus I was focusing on attacking creatures and creatures that do draws are too easy to remove
Could swap it with a creature one aa it will trigger calox +1
deft belfry
https://scryfall.com/search?q=%2B%2Bo%3Aconstellation+game%3Apaper+unique%3Acards&unique=cards&as=grid&order=eur i feel like eidolon is the one i would never cut
because there are non cast synergy with enchantment etb
and token enchantments etc
wicked gust
Why I said id add it and cut a non creature enchantment to trigger calix and all that
So its back
deft belfry
if eidolon is copied, now the exponential gain begins
wicked gust
I really wanna add in [[overwhelming splendor]] in but idk
shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
haha
wicked gust
Feels like a mean card especially if I copy it
wicked gust
So could be worth adding?
deft belfry
my dumb timmy brain would be doing [[strength of the fallen]]
shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
So could be worth adding?
could be worth
wicked gust
But what to cut to add it?
I tried running it before, when the 1 time I could cast it, it was countered and I felt bad as I had zero mana left
deft belfry
i think thats the thing about 7 mana cards
wicked gust
8 mana lol
deft belfry
oh right
personally, 5 mana such as [[boon of spirit realm]] that scales is kinda where i draw the line
shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
unless i know i can cheat the cost to like half
[[skybind]] is basically a win con with how much it can remove
shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
so i think it comes down to
do you prefer quantity or quality
or which one you lean toward more
wicked gust
I mean I do also run [[eldrazi Inscription]]
shrewd zealotBOT
wicked gust
I figured the aura curse be a game ender or something of the sort
deft belfry
[[sunbird invocation]]
shrewd zealotBOT
wicked gust
Thats my idea at least
deft belfry
oops wrong name
wicked gust
Lol
deft belfry
[[song bird blessing]]
shrewd zealotBOT
wicked gust
That's a new one
deft belfry
lot of the cards choices here are more generic so idk if they have the right synergy
deft belfry
i should have brought the sb blessing when it was like $5 now its like at least $8
wicked gust
It is?
I was tempted to get thst precon and honestly I may just buy the precon it's cheap
deft belfry
iirc the original version of [[lion umbra]] is better?
shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
the double white i forgot the name
wicked gust
[[Hyena umbra]]?
shrewd zealotBOT
wicked gust
[[Dog umbra]]
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wicked gust
Idk then
deft belfry
i think in that precon it has the castor/direction that assigns roles whic hare really good auras
wicked gust
There is no white double white umbra
deft belfry
okay mayeb not better [[daybreak coronet]]
shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
but +3 giant growth stat and the best combat abilities for attack and block
wicked gust
[[Archon wild rose]]
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wicked gust
Boom it has flying now and a base 4/4
wicked gust
Exactly
deft belfry
and it only really works with auras
wicked gust
Idk if I really need [[waver of harmony]]
shrewd zealotBOT
Enchantment Creature — Snake Druid
Other enchantment creatures you control get +1/+1.
, : Copy target activated or triggered ability you control from an enchantment source. You may choose new targets for the copy. (Mana abilities can't be targeted.)
2/2
deft belfry
umbra has one time indestructible and can be used on +1 counter creatures
wicked gust
It's just for caliz but ifk if it's worth a slot to double calix ability
deft belfry
that thing, is insane
you can COPY the most broken ability
with one open green mana
wicked gust
Which is?
deft belfry
trigger ability?
wicked gust
Ah
deft belfry
everything in your deck is enchantment
shrewd zealotBOT
wicked gust
Ita the only artifact in the deck
deft belfry
and i only recently realized that it can one shot someone with like those drain half life effect [[wound reflection]]
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deft belfry
yep, enchantment trigger abilities are OP
wicked gust
So keep it
deft belfry
yeah i dont have problems with most 2-3 drop in enchantress
and they are basically all cantrip spells
wicked gust
True
shrewd zealotBOT
Enchantment Creature — Saga Samurai
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter. Sacrifice after IV.)
I — Exile target artifact, enchantment, or tapped creature an opponent controls.
II, III — Until your next turn, creatures can't attack you unless their controller pays for each of those creatures.
IV — Create X Treasure tokens, where X is the number of opponents who control a creature with power 4 or greater.
Vigilance
5/5
wicked gust
I thought it be silly to dupe rn and make a lot of mogs with good kong
deft belfry
yojimbo is one of the recent broken 4 drops, cant really complain about it esp when you can also make clones.
wicked gust
My thoughts exactly
And good king? Too silly or?
I'm trying to find 3 cuts to add some of the stuff you suggested
deft belfry
i noticed there's no [[sphere of safety]]
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Enchantment
Creatures can't attack you or planeswalkers you control unless their controller pays for each of those creatures, where X is the number of enchantments you control.
The Rakdos believe that all are eager to join their revels, even when told otherwise.
deft belfry
probably dont need it
deft belfry
if you ever wanted ghostly prison but overkill, it is there
wicked gust
Ye
deft belfry
i just tank with face rather than put prison in half my creatureless deck
wicked gust
Lol
deft belfry
[[elder gargaroth]] is this a pet card
shrewd zealotBOT
wicked gust
Idk if I need the few +1 stuff like proliferate or gavony Township or ozolith
wicked gust
[[elder gargaroth]] is this a pet card
Sort of but irs also a great attacker and utility
deft belfry
i probably wouldnt do ozolith unless i am doing enchantment with +1 counters
wicked gust
Especially in a dexk like this
wicked gust
It's a way to build back a bit if I loose stuff
deft belfry
because i rather keep krond
wicked gust
Same
deft belfry
[[mirri weatherlight duelist]] just good stuff, it doesnt offer enchantment thingy
shrewd zealotBOT
wicked gust
Its a smidgen of crack back protection
That was my idea. Needing good attacking aura creatures and she has a way to protect myself from potential crackback
I was stuck finding good creatures to attack auraified
deft belfry
doesnt Promise of loyalty hurt yourself too much
deft belfry
i think theres alternative
deft belfry
forgot about the mogo king going back to read that
true, although you can avoid slash the rank easier with your own protection
which is also same for your opponent
i think hexproof is too important to skip in aura decks
wicked gust
So what do you suggest I cut and add?
deft belfry
[[path to exile]] every all eggs in one basket problem
shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
still going through the endless enchantment stuff lol
wicked gust
Why this deck spreads out the auras and attackers
deft belfry
white is my weak colour i dont remember the cards
wicked gust
I don't intent to load up 1 creature
shrewd zealotBOT
wicked gust
But I did cut three mice as its a 2 card inf and not allowed In b2
Good king has no combos
deft belfry
hmmmmmm
wicked gust
It still caused my brain to hurt so I cut it
shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
i think thats not working with saga chapter 2
because iirc the first counter is not an "effect"
so doubling season dont work need [[inn keeper talent]] lv 3
shrewd zealotBOT
Enchantment — Class
(Gain the next level as a sorcery to add its ability.)
At the beginning of combat on your turn, put a +1/+1 counter on target creature you control.
: Level 2
Permanents you control with counters on them have ward .
: Level 3
If you would put one or more counters on a permanent or player, put twice that many of each of those kinds of counters on that permanent or player instead.
deft belfry
but i am not going to find a way to reconfirm commanderspellbook potential error
deft belfry
i kinda dislike the utility here with [[unbreakable formation]]
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deft belfry
i am tanking with face logic
deft belfry
i saw flawless close to it and thought both were in
deft belfry
[[yenna redtooth regent]] never played with it
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Legendary Creature — Elf Noble
, : Choose target enchantment you control that doesn't have the same name as another permanent you control. Create a token that's a copy of it, except it isn't legendary. If the token is an Aura, untap Yenna, then scry 2. Activate only as a sorcery.
"My people are both bloom and thorn."
4/4
storm fox
hi me back
deft belfry
no [[second harvest]] synergy so if you want it, it is there to make auras i guess
shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
hi me back
morning
Danitha at 5 mana feels overcosted, but it curves right around when you need to rebuild
vigilance lifelink do make it do a lot more appealing if you are behind in the game
wicked gust
feels slow
She is ye especially with no haste
deft belfry
no trample/flying so it is no where near a win con
wicked gust
I'll cut yenna tbh
deft belfry
the enchantment + combat damage cares a lot more about evasion
wicked gust
She's been kinda dead a lot
deft belfry
i know someone did yenna online and nearly broken the program he was playing on with all the doubling token doublers
i would probably do the other cat instead of mirri
the ione that has enchantment etb, make a cat
wicked gust
Uh....wha?
deft belfry
if enchantment is an aura, you may put the aura on that cat