#REVERSED! (EDH) Assistance!
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +X/+X, where X is the number of Forests you control.
Whenever equipped creature attacks, create a 1/1 green Forest Dryad land creature token. (It's affected by summoning sickness.)
Equip 
deft belfry
a silly way to make forest in non green decks and gives that crappy landfall trigger on attack
equip cost is a bit high tho
and it runs much better with [[yavimayacradle growth]]
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deft belfry
which doesnt has the same risk of urborg turning on other player's cabal coffer
and still let your fetches tap for mana
i think the two planar -bridge/portal cost too much
12-14 mana to get something is too much
[[elfhame sanctuary]]
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Artifact
, 
: Draw a card. Activate only if you control three or more lands with the same name.
Guarded by cartographers, disdained by warlords, coveted by adventurers.
deft belfry
https://scryfall.com/card/brc/27/staff-of-titania
basically budget [[bitterthorn nissa's animus]]
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Legendary Artifact — Equipment
Living weapon (When this Equipment enters, create a 0/0 black Phyrexian Germ creature token, then attach this to it.)
Equipped creature gets +1/+1.
Whenever equipped creature attacks, you may search your library for a basic land card, put it onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.
Equip
deft belfry
find the name [[oath of lieges]]
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deft belfry
it will trigger smuggler's share
but not [[horn of greed]] which i think you need it for the draw anyways
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deft belfry
[[treasure vault]] [[blast zone]] [[helios one]]
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Artifact Land
: Add 
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, , Sacrifice this land: Create X Treasure tokens.
There is wealth enough inside to cause the rise and the ruin of dynasties.
Land
This land enters with a charge counter on it.
: Add .
, : Put X charge counters on this land.
, , Sacrifice this land: Destroy each nonland permanent with mana value equal to the number of charge counters on this land.
Land
: Add .
, : You get 
(an energy counter).
, , Pay X , Sacrifice this land: Destroy target nonland permanent with mana value X. Activate only as a sorcery.
The plant is still capable of activating the devastating ARCHIMEDES satellite weapon.
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Land — Plains
(: Add 
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This land enters tapped unless you control three or more other Plains.
When this land enters untapped, put a +1/+1 counter on target creature you control.
Every hero's journey starts somewhere.
deft belfry
there other 2 ways to play additional lands... [[sword of forge and frontier]] and this jank [[storm cauldron]]
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +2/+2 and has protection from red and from green.
Whenever equipped creature deals combat damage to a player, exile the top two cards of your library. You may play those cards this turn. You may play an additional land this turn.
Equip
deft belfry
its kind of crazy tho if you are the only that can sac with the bounce trigger, and then get it back in other ways, but bouncing the lotus is pretty awful
frank bolt
Hey, i started to brew this legendary deck. this is first draft and its kind of all over the place. Any ideas of good payouts when drawing cards and/or losing life? Whenever creature deals combat damage to a player kind of works too with menace
frank bolt
Ok, I modified it quite a bit. Now its a lot better.
deft belfry
i am just really confused with the naming and tagging
deft belfry
perhaps due to the "good stuff historic tribal" you dont need to try for combat damage win although it is good to swing whenever you see an opening. I think [[ dolmen gate]] is not needed
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deft belfry
but to rephrase, main game plan is technically going for combat, just that the win con is actually big board value, by playing as many cantrip legend as possible, its mardu identity but closer to a simic landfall value deck
i think this type of deck basically hits the limit of what it can do, the only upgrade would just be power creeps etc
an interesting one from recent set is [[monk gyatso]] havent seen/played one but the added protection seems nice
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Legendary Creature — Human Monk
Whenever another creature you control becomes the target of a spell or ability, you may airbend that creature. (Exile it. While it's exiled, its owner may cast it for rather than its mana cost.)
"My ancient cake-making technique isn't the only thing on your mind, is it, Aang?"
3/3
deft belfry
if it is historical support,[[teshar ancestor apostle]] is one that i always liked to try in those colours
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deft belfry
and if you completely ignore budget, fast mana like [[mox amber]] will get to your curve quicker
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Legendary Artifact
: Add one mana of any color among legendary creatures and planeswalkers you control.
A moment in time made tangible, it has the power to realize epic visions.
deft belfry
unlike sram, there arent enough cheerio legendary but the core is the same
since many things make treasures, if there is something that helps with storming off with more spell cast, i would add [[professional face break]] for some impulse draw
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deft belfry
or stick to the current draw engine
personally, i would prefer that over black market connection
deft belfry
to maximize grave-reanimate synergy, it make sense to have surveil land with fetches
quick goldfishing, after certain point its just spam cantrip and/or die to boardwipe
[[Queen Marchesa ]] might be interest
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deft belfry
[[mark of the horn]] more card advantage
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deft belfry
i feel like this is actually a high price B2 deck with 3 game changers more than a B3 deck but i can be off; mainly because there aint that much interactions to stop others from ruining your game
if there is a chance, try [[wake the dead]] to reset all the death triigger as well as ETB
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deft belfry
pretty good with gandalf + triggers
wow gandalf doubles [[ratadrabik of urborg]] too
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Legendary Creature — Zombie Wizard
Vigilance, ward
Other Zombies you control have vigilance.
Whenever another legendary creature you control dies, create a token that's a copy of that creature, except it's not legendary and it's a 2/2 black Zombie in addition to its other colors and types.
3/3
frank bolt
quick goldfishing, after certain point its just spam cantrip and/or die to board...
Yeah, thats what im worried about too. theres no single clear plan to win games. its a bit of mixed bag of good stuff. some of it synergizes with others, some dont. some game you might have extra combats, another one huge bodies etc. it differs a lot and kind of makes it fun to play. its not super powerful i agree, B2 would fit it better. however i love to have a draw engine as commander, you rarely run out of cards to play. you also make your land drops very consistently. ill clear out the tagging, weird tags were there to help me in the initial building phase.
thanks for all the input, ill take a closer look a bit later!
storm fox
thank you for all of these suggestions and tips, i'll definitely take a look at them
storm fox
12-14 mana to get something is too much
i wish i could replace these 2, but they are the only 2 cards that i could find that fit in a tutor chain ending in either [[faiths reward]] or [[second sunrise]],
deft belfry
i think i would go for more draw, because those two resemble [[splendid reclamation]] & [[aftermath analyst]]
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Creature — Elf Detective
When this creature enters, mill three cards. (Put the top three cards of your library into your graveyard.)
, Sacrifice this creature: Return all land cards from your graveyard to the battlefield tapped.
"Could someone bring me more evidence markers? Like...a lot more?"
1/3
deft belfry
without tutors to get them it will be hard to rely on them, so the commander being a draw engine is definitely a good choice
storm fox
without tutors to get them it will be hard to rely on them, so the commander bei...
yeah, lacking card draw was also the reason i chose mangara over someone like mother of machines
did i miss any good repeatable card draw that can fit in the deck?
deft belfry
not exactly repeatable but [[coveted jewel]] can be something to look into, return with faith/sunrise
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Artifact
When this artifact enters, draw three cards.
: Add three mana of any one color.
Whenever one or more creatures an opponent controls attack you and aren't blocked, that player draws three cards and gains control of this artifact. Untap it.
deft belfry
[[rent due]] is a recent one that power creep from past creations
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deft belfry
i know you want landfall payoff; [[glyph elemental]] seems meh to me
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Enchantment Creature — Elemental
Bestow (If you cast this card for its bestow cost, it's an Aura spell with enchant creature. It becomes a creature again if it's not attached.)
Landfall — Whenever a land you control enters, put a +1/+1 counter on this permanent.
Enchanted creature gets +1/+1 for each +1/+1 counter on this Aura.
2/2
deft belfry
note that some of your card draws wont work because having a full board of tokens out and [[!mangara, diplomat]] a lifelinker means no one will be swinging at you, so [[!trouble in pairs]] also lost a line of text
deft belfry
in order for others to attack you, you would want to open up your side or have weak blockers, which is unlikely
if you go a more "group hug" route to do [[howling mine]]
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deft belfry
that would guarantee trouble in pairs 2nd draw and increase the second spell cast each turn as the table ended up with more cards to spend
unfortunately there are only 2 white card with [[earthshape]] [[sandbenders' storm]] on them
deft belfry
but being an instant is pretty good
which you can sac and come back for an extra landfall
add [[solemn similicrum]]
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deft belfry
[[solemn similacrum]]
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deft belfry
idk about keeping [[seer's sundial]]
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Artifact
Landfall — Whenever a land you control enters, you may pay . If you do, draw a card.
"The shadow travels toward the apex. I predict we will soon see the true measure of darkness."
deft belfry
i cant justify it even in a green deck 😅
you can test that one out yourself
weird interaction i find with earthbend (may need rule check) is that if i steal a land with [[realm breaker]] i think i can earthbend it to keep it around
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deft belfry
[[realmbreaker invasion tree]]
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Legendary Artifact
, : Target opponent mills three cards. Put a land card from their graveyard onto the battlefield tapped under your control. It gains "If this land would leave the battlefield, exile it instead of putting it anywhere else."
, , Sacrifice Realmbreaker: Search your library for any number of Praetor cards, put them onto the battlefield, then shuffle.
deft belfry
since it checks everything in that grave, once you confirm someone is either playing a land matter/land heavy deck or have at least 1 before the mill, it is guarantee land drop every turn
it is somewhat similar to [[thaumatic compass]] for building up your mana
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Artifact
, : Search your library for a basic land card, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle.
At the beginning of your end step, if you control seven or more lands, transform this artifact.
"Clearly, it indicates the aetheric azimuth of . . ." —Jace Beleren
Spires of Orazca
Land
(Transforms from Thaumatic Compass.)
: Add .
: Untap target attacking creature an opponent controls and remove it from combat.
". . . a cryptic objective." —Jace Beleren
deft belfry
just be aware of the transform doesnt tap or untap it and it will increase the landcount without a landfall trigger
it's like a bad wethered wayfarer in this case
i used to run both in [[zirda dawn]] commander deck
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Legendary Creature — Elemental Fox
Companion — Each permanent card in your starting deck has an activated ability. (If this card is your chosen companion, you may put it into your hand from outside the game for as a sorcery.)
Abilities you activate that aren't mana abilities cost less to activate. This effect can't reduce the mana in that cost to less than one mana.
, : Target creature can't block this turn.
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deft belfry
i like [[field of the ruins]] more than [[demonition field]]
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Land
: Add .
, , Sacrifice this land: Destroy target nonbasic land an opponent controls. That land's controller may search their library for a basic land card, put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle. You may search your library for a basic land card, put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle.
deft belfry
[[field of ruins]] because it can get a landfall trigger as well as the potential to politic with an opponent to give one more mana
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Land
: Add .
, , Sacrifice this land: Destroy target nonbasic land an opponent controls. Each player searches their library for a basic land card, puts it onto the battlefield, then shuffles.
deft belfry
with zirda i was doing [[war room]] + [[bonder's enclave]]
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Land
: Add .
, , Pay life equal to the number of colors in your commanders' color identity: Draw a card.
A figure is moved on a map, and the tide of war changes.
Land
: Add .
, : Draw a card. Activate only if you control a creature with power 4 or greater.
There is a sanctuary that reveals itself only to those graced by the eludha—the mystical connection between bonder and monster.
deft belfry
did not go as far as [[arch of orazca]] though
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Land
Ascend (If you control ten or more permanents, you get the city's blessing for the rest of the game.)
: Add .
, : Draw a card. Activate only if you have the city's blessing.
deft belfry
i never tested [[roadside reliquary]] but heard good things about it when you can always draw 2 from an untapped colourless source
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Land
: Add .
, , Sacrifice this land: Draw a card if you control an artifact. Draw a card if you control an enchantment.
Travelers who leave an offering may pass freely through the forest kami's domain.
deft belfry
the rate is probably similar to [[hedron archive]] but without the initial casting cost
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Artifact
: Add .
, , Sacrifice this artifact: Draw two cards.
"You've begun to understand the hedrons' true purpose," said Ugin. "The Eldrazi can be imprisoned." "And how did that work out last time?" asked Jace.
deft belfry
since you have your archaeomancer's map this should be a good fit
deft belfry
yeah, lacking card draw was also the reason i chose mangara over someone like mo...
those cuts are going to be a bit rough XD at least some are in the lands
when i am worried about lands, i usually dont bother with white since its my least favourite most hated colour i can [[!mulch]] myself to get through my deck much faster
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deft belfry
attack with 2 or more creatures = draw is my impression of white
storm fox
idk about keeping [[seer's sundial]]
i'm not sure about it yet either, so far i found it a bit too expensive i think
storm fox
i know you want landfall payoff; [[glyph elemental]] seems meh to me
it is alright since it can buff up my commander, and in case of a board wipe it stays behind, but otherwise, if there were other landfall abilities available in white, it would be replaced
storm fox
it is alright since it can buff up my commander, and in case of a board wipe it ...
should i instead maybe include something like an [[enduring innocence]]?
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deft belfry
oh, is that one not in? because its like the upgrade to welcoming vamp and rumor gatherer
ideally you can trigger it on other players turn
[[carekeeper talent]]
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deft belfry
[[care talent]]
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Enchantment — Class
(Gain the next level as a sorcery to add its ability.)
Whenever one or more tokens you control enter, draw a card. This ability triggers only once each turn.
: Level 2
When this Class becomes level 2, create a token that's a copy of target token you control.
: Level 3
Creature tokens you control get +2/+2.
deft belfry
but as long as they trigger like 2-3 times, the draw basically pays it all back
outside of blue, i use [[phyrexian arena]] as the reference point, 
to get back 3 or more cards to beat the rate of one time [[divination]]
deft belfry
any more than that is icing on the cake
i think you dont have to focus too hard on the phrase "draw a card"
whenever an ability that replaces itself, put a permanent from elsewhere onto the battlefield, or net gain in hand size; are basically card advantage in white
i am still trying to find the deck where i can use [[dewdrop cure]] effectively with or w/o gift a card, but it will always be able to get back at least 2 important pieces to give me a +1 in board state
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deft belfry
and i dont have a deck around [[lurrus of the dream]]
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Legendary Creature — Cat Nightmare
Companion — Each permanent card in your starting deck has mana value 2 or less. (If this card is your chosen companion, you may put it into your hand from outside the game for as a sorcery.)
Lifelink
Once during each of your turns, you may cast a permanent spell with mana value 2 or less from your graveyard.
3/2
deft belfry
even the gift a card can be used to my advantage since white has [[tataru taru]] and blue has [[fairie mastermind]]
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Creature — Faerie Rogue
Flash
Flying
Whenever an opponent draws their second card each turn, you draw a card.
: Each player draws a card.
Yuta Takahashi, World Champion XXVII
2/1
deft belfry
basically, once you figure out how much card advantage you actually need, before considering potential tutors for the extra card you need, most decks can do pretty well without an insane amount of card draws
i would prioritize the plan in this order: Ramp > payoff > draw > "combo"
deft belfry
i'm not sure about it yet either, so far i found it a bit too expensive i think
yeah the rate is really one of the worst in the game; thematic in landfall though. 6 mana first draw per landfall, 2 more for following and so on. At that point i think [[endless atlas]] [[tome of legend]] and other jank are better options
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Artifact
, : Draw a card. Activate only if you control three or more lands with the same name.
Guarded by cartographers, disdained by warlords, coveted by adventurers.
Artifact
This artifact enters with a page counter on it.
Whenever your commander enters or attacks, put a page counter on this artifact.
, , Remove a page counter from this artifact: Draw a card.
deft belfry
i wish mono colour play endless atlas more
it doesnt fit my decks enough and i played almost all 2 colours+
while the rate is technically bad
because it can stay for a long time and use leftover mana, it is one of the more acceptable budget and easy to slot in the 99 repeatable draw
[[$tome of legends]] is a little more $ (most people wont bat an eye for that diff) but does require some commander action
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sonic arrow
There are plenty of advice online recommending people to run 38+ lands at least in their deck. I've been running my angels/holy theme deck with 33 lands and a bunch of rocks and card draw. I honestly don't find myself land screwed that much? In fact, I noticed that I run out of card advantage more often than I lack mana. Am I just coping?
The deck plays more control focused with flying beat down, Heliod + ballista, or book of exalted deed + faceless haven lockdown as main win cons. I keep hands with a couple of lands and some rock usually. Land Tax (E tutor for it possibly), Esper Sentinel, and weathered wayfarer can also get me lands.
storm fox
yeah the rate is really one of the worst in the game; thematic in landfall thoug...
i did some digging and found some lists that used [[ao the dawn sky]] as th commander and then had things like blade of selves to copy him a bunch of times for death triggers. would it be worth it if i put mangara in the 99 and gave up a little bit of landfall for that synergy as well?
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deft belfry
[[combat tutorial]] i wonder if this is the playable Dinvation in commander 🤔 Anyways...
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deft belfry
There are plenty of advice online recommending people to run 38+ lands at least ...
so... the thing about lands is kind of a long discussion but the general consents is that commander player dont play enough lands and risk mana screw (lot of math and stuff on that) but it is not exactly absolute with the perfect solution, and the commander also changes that
[[!Giada font of hope]] itself is a mana rock
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deft belfry
so as long as you hit your second land drop, untaps with giada, you have a minimal or 3 mana on T3 even if you miss this land drop
ofc someone can mess with you by [[!shock]]ing it etc but those are the most fringe scenarios
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deft belfry
So, the question comes down to, on T3, do you need to/want to hit this land drop? Is there ways to draw more cards (to raise the odd of drawing a land) ? Do you want to hit the next turn land drop and so on. Or is this enough mana to run your game plan
now to the deck, it shows that 40 cards taps for mana
medallion was not included
and the monument etc
so a thing you should do would be, make a copy of the deck, change all the Convert mana cost/ Mana value of the big stuff in the deck to match your "real" casting cost
sonic arrow
Did that once for the salubrious snail mana base calculator... its abit of work
deft belfry
because I doubt you have to cast [[!Sephara sky blade]] at 7
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sonic arrow
White reducers, angel reducers, giada tap for angels...
deft belfry
i would also change walking balista to something higher than 0
unless you hard cast those spells, you can also set them to 0 for example
then your before/after should show a much better representation of the curve
220 rn doesnt make too much sense
[[folk hero]]
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deft belfry
the funny thing random thing it work with is [[HOLY COW]]
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deft belfry
but as a creature it is meh
unless you always scry to the bottom to get dig deeper
i think the curve is a bit too greedy with this amount of 5+ drop
but for the most part it should work
because its not like you need to cast [[!farewell]] on curve every game on T6
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deft belfry
so if it is stuck in hand for like 2 more turns for the right timing it wouldnt matter
but it does rob away the option of casting it at a point where you may potentially need it
sonic arrow
https://scryfall.com/card/clb/650/folk-hero
I cut this and Herald horn out because I'm not running 40 angels to make those cards worth it
deft belfry
fair nuf
yeah your angel count is low
is walking balista infinite in here
i see the heliod
oh yeah thats 2 card infinite lol
moxfield didnt recognize it
including commander i only see 15 angels
angel creatures that draws are kinda awkward [[sanctuary warden]] [[inspiring overseer]] [[firemane commando]]
deft belfry
maybe [[battle angels of tyr]]?
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deft belfry
[[exemplay of light]] looks okay
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deft belfry
Tyr is there already Mb
is [[seal of cleansing]] an alternative or second copy to disenchant
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deft belfry
i thought white has equal or better version of [[return to nature]] but i guess not
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deft belfry
yeah, because giada only helps angels
[[momo friendly flier]] isnt as strong in giada as i initially thought
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Legendary Creature — Lemur Bat Ally
Flying
The first non-Lemur creature spell with flying you cast during each of your turns costs less to cast.
Whenever another creature you control with flying enters, Momo gets +1/+1 until end of turn.
1/1
deft belfry
how important is sun titan
i think i rather have a basic over a 6 drop that may end up grabbing a basic
sonic arrow
It helped me bring back stuff that was milled or destroyed
deft belfry
[[emeria's call]] is an untapped MDFC that helps non angel XD have you ever casted it for 7?
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Sorcery
Create two 4/4 white Angel Warrior creature tokens with flying. Non-Angel creatures you control gain indestructible until your next turn.
"Iona no longer guards this place. We do." —Kasla, Emeria shepherd
Emeria, Shattered Skyclave
Land
As this land enters, you may pay 3 life. If you don't, it enters tapped.
: Add .
"You called it the castle of a god. It is less than that, and so much more." —Kasla, Emeria shepherd
sonic arrow
[[emeria's call]] is an untapped MDFC that helps non angel XD have you ever cast...
Nope 🥲 but thats already a land
deft belfry
[[planar lens]]
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deft belfry
its a worse snow land
sonic arrow
its a worse snow land
Doubles snow land mana
deft belfry
thats why more snow basic is better
i do like playing panorama and [[the shire]] etc to get more basics out of the deck
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Legendary Land
The Shire enters tapped unless you control a legendary creature.
: Add .
, , Tap an untapped creature you control: Create a Food token.
"You must start somewhere and have some roots, and the soil of the Shire is deep." —Merry
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Land
: Add .
Basic landcycling (, Discard this card: Search your library for a basic land card, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle.)
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Land
: Add .
, , Sacrifice this land: Search your library for a basic land card, put it onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.
Everything looked fresh, and the new green of Spring was shimmering in the fields.
deft belfry
all the [[esper panorama]] etc can do the same thing
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Land
: Add .
, , Sacrifice this land: Search your library for a basic Plains, Island, or Swamp card, put it onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.
Esper is an expansive canvas painted by precise, controlling hands.
deft belfry
i am fine with keeping emerias call but i do think that for lens to get the full potential you want more snow
ash barren is my most commonly-used budget deck thinning fixing
but in cases where i want cards in grave [[araumi, dead tide]] or slowly decrease my lands count in the 99
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Legendary Creature — Merfolk Wizard
, Exile cards from your graveyard equal to the number of opponents you have: Target creature card in your graveyard gains encore until end of turn. The encore cost is equal to its mana cost. (Exile the creature card and pay its mana cost: For each opponent, create a token copy that attacks that opponent this turn if able. They gain haste. Sacrifice them at the beginning of the next end step. Activate only as a sorcery.)
1/4
deft belfry
i have slightly more of those cycling stuff
sonic arrow
but in cases where i want cards in grave [[araumi, dead tide]] or slowly decreas...
Considered building this commander too
deft belfry
or if you go expensive, fetches to get your basics
every fetch thins out your land count
i think you can afford to have at least 2 more tapped lands in this deck
not too sure about [[path of ancestry]] for the scry
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Land
This land enters tapped.
: Add one mana of any color in your commander's color identity. When that mana is spent to cast a creature spell that shares a creature type with your commander, scry 1. (Look at the top card of your library. You may put that card on the bottom.)
deft belfry
[[arcum;s astrolabe]] also unsure about this
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Snow Artifact
(
can be paid with one mana from a snow source.)
When this artifact enters, draw a card.
, : Add one mana of any color.
Though the Time of Ice has ended, its relics still slumber in New Argive.
sonic arrow
Yeah, im not going deep into angel token route either
So far my game plan involves a few quality angels and then I hold interaction
deft belfry
i forgot what deck i ran it in, may have been brago
yea, the deck is mainly interactions
sonic arrow
Opponents dont really have that many answers to fliers
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +1/+0 and has haste and ward . (Whenever it becomes the target of a spell or ability an opponent controls, counter it unless that player pays .)
Equip
These boots were made for far more than walking.
deft belfry
this one you can search with urza saga
sonic arrow
Im considering [[Magus of the Moat]] or [[moat]] too
deft belfry
as a rakdos player in B2, i dont have enough enchantment removal so i think i will dispise moat
played magus once and everyone acted like i am the threat to stop 20+ tokens from swinging
had one flyer on my side
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https://scryfall.com/card/znr/12/emerias-call-emeria-shattered-skyclave
Oh wait I did cast emeria's call after a board wipe before
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oh nice
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With Giada they are 6/6s
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i do hate how it is a sorcery, and it is easy to forget it is UNTIL YOUR NEXT TURN
for flying tribal, moat makes sense
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is the point of [[faceless haven]]
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Snow Land
: Add .
: This land becomes a 4/3 creature with vigilance and all creature types until end of turn. It's still a land. ( can be paid with one mana from a snow source.)
It is everywhere and nowhere, a place unbound by logic, just beyond the real.
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Combos with [[book of exalted deeds]], I cannot lose the game unless opponents use land destruction
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Legendary Artifact
At the beginning of your end step, if you gained 3 or more life this turn, create a 3/3 white Angel creature token with flying.
, , Exile The Book of Exalted Deeds: Put an enlightened counter on target Angel. It gains "You can't lose the game and your opponents can't win the game." Activate only as a sorcery.
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interesting lol
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Minor synergy with my snow lands as well lol
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8 mana avcyn do feel like a win more card but it is one of the big angels
i think for the most part the angels, interaction, ramp, all the ratios looks fine
it just where you can sneak in that extra overlapped effect
is there more MDFC, any one you missed
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Maybe not add anymore tapped lands?
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if you dont care about extort from [[blind obedience]], i think [[authority of consul]] usually does the job just fine
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Enchantment
Extort (Whenever you cast a spell, you may pay 
. If you do, each opponent loses 1 life and you gain that much life.)
Artifacts and creatures your opponents control enter tapped.
"By the time your knees have worn through your robe, you may have begun to learn your place."
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[[razorgrass ambush]] is an untapped MDFC
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Instant
Razorgrass Ambush deals 3 damage to target attacking or blocking creature.
When disturbed, razorgrass skewers unwary intruders in violent, jingling bursts.
Razorgrass Field
Land
As this land enters, you may pay 3 life. If you don't, it enters tapped.
: Add .
Leonin hide their dwellings within the Razor Fields, making approach deadly without knowledge of their secret paths.
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I swapped out authority for blind obedience to slow down opponents mana rocks ramps
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[[razorgrass ambush]] is an untapped MDFC
Hmm this spell vs another snow land
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Tbh im considering this MLD just for the angel art lol
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not another snowland cut 🤣
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so you are in fact aimming for B4
i cant even bring myself to put farewell in a deck that didnt have it already
but i do love the farewell in TIdus Precon
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Farewell hold priority teferi protection 
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Farewell hold priority teferi protection <:ProfChamp:763547995123613696>
Based on a true story
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let me just ... [[narset reversal]] that
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Alright so what's a good cut for Moat (probably need to proxy this one)
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i basically countered someone Tpro with my [[smoothering rug]] because the burn would kill them
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[[rug of smoothering]]
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[[$moat]]
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Hmm boardwipe protection
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ew
rather have moat here
other things has card draw or much more impactful effect
this one just say angel on it
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True
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only really helps [[vakyrie harbringer]]
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was [[herald of war]] ever in your list
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Creature — Angel
Flying
Whenever this creature attacks, put a +1/+1 counter on it.
Angel spells and Human spells you cast cost less to cast for each +1/+1 counter on this creature.
3/3
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i am guessing 
is too high
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I replaced it with [[Serra's emissary]] as it is like a win more card to me
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yeah, it doesnt look like the angel /huamn support nowadays
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Im starting to think that I dont get much draw out of [[smuggler's share]]
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Quite conditional
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unless you pair it with [[!howling mine]] effect it can be a hit or miss
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so its table dependent
more on the passive side
i think with life gain and maganra, ghostly prison also stops part of the attacks from giving you draws?
was hoping that Herald of war works with [[hamza guardian]] but it turns out there arent really angels for it
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Legendary Creature — Elephant Warrior
This spell costs less to cast for each creature you control with a +1/+1 counter on it.
Creature spells you cast cost less to cast for each creature you control with a +1/+1 counter on it.
"I stand with every member of my clan, and they stand with me."
5/5
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:/
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For mangara the main effect is the draw on second spell
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yeah, and itself basically stops all the attack
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i did some digging and found some lists that used [[ao the dawn sky]] as th comm...
yeah that would work 👍 but it also means you wont be doing as much of the land fall stuff with skipping all the lands and non permanent cards, also blade of selves is kinda tricky to play
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Tbh the only part of the deck I find it weak to is against colorless. Got wrecked by [[Eriette's Tempting Apple]] and aetherflux reservoir before
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Legendary Artifact — Food
When Eriette's Tempting Apple enters, gain control of target creature until end of turn. Untap that creature. It gains haste until end of turn.
, , Sacrifice Eriette's Tempting Apple: You gain 3 life.
, , Sacrifice Eriette's Tempting Apple: Target opponent loses 3 life.
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i think thats just how the game works, [all is dust]] beats everything
[[all is dust]]
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there are no amount of MLD fixes that part of the game
you dont have that blue counterspell in your hand, you eat it like a boss
you have Teferi protection, will have to use that as the answer
an the rarest case, [[mana tithe]]
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Instant
Counter target spell unless its controller pays .
"Those who seek to upset the balance must be taxed for such ambitions." —Verithain, mesa high priest
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yeah that would work 👍 but it also means you wont be doing as much of the land ...
made a quick draft of how a deck with ao could look like ?
this is how it turned out, tho it is a bit more fun if options with what you play every turn, it is a bit more inconsistent
https://moxfield.com/decks/HtTdQVhqvUWjJeL32HY-KQ
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Thoughts on [[Youthful Valkyrie]]?
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Hmm I might reconsider [[Herald of War]] given that all but 2 creatures I play are angels or humans and a discounted witch enchanter is curcial when it counts
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Creature — Angel
Flying
Whenever this creature attacks, put a +1/+1 counter on it.
Angel spells and Human spells you cast cost less to cast for each +1/+1 counter on this creature.
3/3
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replace sun titan maybe
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Thoughts on [[Youthful Valkyrie]]?
seems meh, only for decks that keep on piling counters on it; but in the case of an average game it can be perceived as a low threat priority to dodge all target remove so you got this repeatable "lightning" source of beat stick until someone is faced by lethal combat damage
for 2 mana, if it is able to deal ... 4+ damage i think it is doable if the win con is flying combat
but as the game gets faster and ends earlier, i would assume you need like 8 to 10 damage
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made a quick draft of how a deck with ao could look like ?
this is how it turned...
equipment tutor for blade of selves?
perhaps [[wedding ring]] is a card you can consider at your table
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to support gay marriage to gain value more often than said smuggles share
hmmm [[strict proctor]] can stop the negative side effect of [[!guildless common]] and [[!lotus field]]
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Creature — Spirit Cleric
Flying
Whenever a permanent entering causes a triggered ability to trigger, counter that ability unless its controller pays .
"You might believe being dead for centuries has made me more lenient. I think you'll find the opposite to be true."
1/3
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but it really hurts you more than it helps with your current draw engine and every lnd fll trigger
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is [[codex shred]] in the deck to re use your reclamation spell
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Artifact
: Target player mills a card. (They put the top card of their library into their graveyard.)
, , Sacrifice this artifact: Return target card from your graveyard to your hand.
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😅
a thing about AO getting 4 total cmc stuff in and lot of the draws are 3 cmc makes it weird
and skipps all the non permanent
while [[inventor's fair]] can get blade of selves i think most of the time conduit of worlds is just better
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Legendary Land
At the beginning of your upkeep, if you control three or more artifacts, you gain 1 life.
: Add .
, , Sacrifice Inventors' Fair: Search your library for an artifact card, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle. Activate only if you control three or more artifacts.
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replace sun titan maybe
i forgot what the other one is (cant get lands) but the best "sun titan" in the game is probably [[redemption choir]]
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[[explorer map]]
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Card
(Theme color: .)
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[[Expedition MAP]]
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Artifact
, , Sacrifice this artifact: Search your library for a land card, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle.
"I use maps to find out where explorers have already been. Then I go the other way." —Javad Nasrin, Ondu relic hunter
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would search for [[flagstones of trokair]]
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Legendary Land
: Add .
When Flagstones of Trokair is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, you may search your library for a Plains card, put it onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.
Dust-spiked winds eroded the stones, but the ground where they had stood still holds power.
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i guess it can add a draw engine or [[weathered wayfarer]]
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Creature — Human Nomad Cleric
, : Search your library for a land card, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle. Activate only if an opponent controls more lands than you.
1/1
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it is flexible, just not too impactful
[[what must be done]] and [[starfall invocation]] are interesting, although the creature that it can bring is probably just Ao for the most part
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[[hourglass of the lost]] is not a card i have any experience with, weird one to work with
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Artifact
: Add . Put a time counter on this artifact.
, Remove X time counters from this artifact and exile it: Return each nonland permanent card with mana value X from your graveyard to the battlefield. Activate only as a sorcery.
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if only i can fit it in some proliferate/ remove counter [[falco sparapeactweaver]] deck
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ah, its taigam that remove from non creatures
sort of did a sorting/spliting the deck and i see 3 piles
the middle one is the most generic and versatile stuff, the other right left* one are the sac lands/replay lands etc
the right side has the etb stuff (non landfall)
a few things are awkward but the synergy is there
if the ideal set up is Lotus field + second sun rise
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Land
If this land would enter, sacrifice two untapped lands instead. If you do, put this land onto the battlefield. If you don't, put it into its owner's graveyard.
: Add three mana of any one color.
At what price beauty?
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actually this one is the strongest one, enters untapped
then that would give the landfall trigger the best payoff
and follow up with more landfall creature spells/ value engine
[[restoration of eiganjo]] always has the weirdest interaction that bombazo me, how chapter 2 can target what it discard and is one of the few white ramp
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anyways i may want to swap out some of that "2 power enter, draw" stuff
and try to go for big value payoff
just recall this card [[chain of silence]], probably not suitable but its an interesting way to sac lands
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[[reaping the rewards]] is the orb with mana cost
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oh hey, found it [[trenching steed]]
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oh crap i didnt see the with that card frame XD
yeah, there are no 2 cmc white permanent that sac lands [[troubled healer]]
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[[Dust bowl]] [[Glacial chasm]] [[rath's edge]]
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Land
: Add .
, , Sacrifice a land: Destroy target nonbasic land.
Legendary Land
: Add .
, , Sacrifice a land: Rath's Edge deals 1 damage to any target.
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[[deserted temple]] most important untapper
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Land
: Add .
, : Untap target land.
A monument to long-forgotten gods, it stands as a tribute to the fleeting nature of human ways.
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nowhere near the power of green [[stone seeder herophant]] but it is mana positive
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Creature — Human Druid
Landfall — Whenever a land you control enters, untap this creature.
: Untap target land.
Her touch brings to bare stone what water and sun bring to rich soil.
1/1
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i guess [[lost jitte]] has the store up potential but it is probably far fetch?
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Legendary Artifact — Equipment
Whenever equipped creature deals combat damage, put a charge counter on Lost Jitte.
Remove a charge counter from Lost Jitte: Choose one —
• Untap target land.
• Target creature can't block this turn.
• Put a +1/+1 counter on equipped creature.
Equip
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if you end up keeping the draw package,, [[springjack pasture]] can make tokens to draw on other players turn
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Land
: Add .
, : Create a 0/1 white Goat creature token.
, Sacrifice X Goats: Add X mana of any one color. You gain X life.
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[[adagia windswept bastion]] can be the $ upgrade
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Land — Planet
This land enters tapped.
: Add .
Station (Tap another creature you control: Put charge counters equal to its power on this Planet. Station only as a sorcery.)
12+ | , : Create a token that's a copy of target artifact or enchantment you control, except it's legendary. Activate only as a sorcery.
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neat way to make a second enchantment
i missed [[tectonic edge]] earlier i my search
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Land
: Add .
, , Sacrifice this land: Destroy target nonbasic land. Activate only if an opponent controls four or more lands.
"We move because the earth does." —Bruse Tarl, Goma Fada nomad
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[[kjeldoran outpost]] i didnt know this card XD it makes tokens
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Land
If this land would enter, sacrifice a Plains instead. If you do, put this land onto the battlefield. If you don't, put it into its owner's graveyard.
: Add .
, : Create a 1/1 white Soldier creature token.
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[[remote farm]] maybe...
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Land
This land enters tapped with two depletion counters on it.
, Remove a depletion counter from this land: Add . If there are no depletion counters on this land, sacrifice it.
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oh [[ruin of trokair]] and [[crystal veins]] are one i played
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Land
This land enters tapped.
: Add .
, Sacrifice this land: Add .
Land
: Add .
, Sacrifice this land: Add .
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Needing a lot of help in cuts and other ideas for my phoenix king voltron deck - https://moxfield.com/decks/6n2p7skrK0-AGhyYJ1Z4pA
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Hey Monomon, i tried building an upgrade list for my buddies [[Krenko, Mob Boss]] list and i would appreciate if you could take a look at it. the list is pretty budget so no crazy expensive cards. im not too familiar with mono red so i wasnt sure if i missed any staples or not. i can send you his original list too if it helps to look at what he already had. heres my current upgrade for it: https://moxfield.com/decks/ZX9t-dhzGkCb_Ozq0Cs7rA
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Legendary Creature — Goblin Warrior
: Create X 1/1 red Goblin creature tokens, where X is the number of Goblins you control.
"Threats? Extortion? Good sir, you have me all wrong. I am a legitimate businessman; my colleagues and I are simply here to conduct legitimate business."
3/3
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I have another one brewing. Its spellslinger/voltron Fire Lord Azula Deck. The game plan is get Azula on the field and start casting cheap instants (that get copied) that buff/protect Azula, draw cards, and make mana/treasure tokens. All of the casting happens mostly after blockers have been declared so you can possibly get a surprise victory/kill. Its very easy to get Azula to swing for 21 commander damage. The goal is also to get rid of the other players in the same turn. This happens with finishers like Great Train Heist, Soul's Fire and Savage Beating. Ive been goldfishing this and it consistently gets a victory in turn 5. Any obvious mistakes or oversights?
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hmmm [[strict proctor]] can stop the negative side effect of [[!guildless common...
I included thise land because they remove lands without going down in mama, deactivated all the catch up ramp white has
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equipment tutor for blade of selves?
Are there any with an etb trigger cmc 4 or less?
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hmm but it osmewhat defeats the purpose of those lands if you dont ramp up in mana
the famous equip searchers are 2 cmc
but no obvious cut for that, i think blade wont be a consistent thing here
unless you somehow make land matter and equipment stuff synergize
scryfall oracle:"search for equipment" etc id<=w game:paper
o:search (o:artifact o:equipment)
might be a little off but along those lines
perhaps [[pendant of prosperity]] interest you
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Artifact
This artifact enters under the control of an opponent of your choice.
, : Draw a card, then you may put a land card from your hand onto the battlefield. This artifact's owner draws a card, then that player may put a land card from their hand onto the battlefield.
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I included thise land because they remove lands without going down in mama, dea...
but it's kind of a niche piece that "has the activated ability of the artifact" cards uses
since the floor is 3 mana do nothing
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Needing a lot of help in cuts and other ideas for my phoenix king voltron deck -...
is there something yoiu want to do with helm of the host
when half the effects (creatures) are there to keep your red mana, i doubt you need more copies of a static ability
and 9 mana is steep for a clone
i wouldnt mind cutting a 2 mana rock for [[curse mirror]]
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Artifact
: Add 
.
As this artifact enters, you may have it become a copy of any creature on the battlefield until end of turn, except it has haste.
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[[solstice revelations]] probably do better if you have a ridiculous curve/ top deck manipulation
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Instant — Lesson
Exile cards from the top of your library until you exile a nonland card. You may cast that card without paying its mana cost if the spell's mana value is less than the number of Mountains you control. If you don't cast that card this way, put it into your hand.
Flashback 
(You may cast this card from your graveyard for its flashback cost. Then exile it.)
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otherwise it is just going to pay for the next 3ish mana spell
with equipments, its not even the full payment of that card since more mana is needed to activate it
other than helm of the host and batterskull, all the equip cost is at most , while [[Brass squire]] can repeatly "cheat" the cost
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Artifact Creature — Myr
: Attach target Equipment you control to target creature you control.
"I admire it. Few pull off pluck and subservience at the same time." —Ezuri, renegade leader
1/3
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a summoning sickness creature that needs to tap in a deck that lacks creature is not really saving too much mana
it is way worse than your other thing beside it
didnt think i will see [[bladed battle fan]] along side darksteel plate and [[!mithril coat]] in the same deck
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Artifact — Equipment
Flash
When this Equipment enters, attach it to target creature you control. That creature gains indestructible until end of turn.
Equipped creature gets +1/+0.
Equip (: Attach to target creature you control. Equip only as a sorcery.)
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its liek the budget version, the upgrade, and the premium version all together
if mana cost is not the issue, i would just run mithril coat instead of all 3
or may not even need it since the commander can already have indestructible
especially since it cannot deal with a lot of the strongest removal in the game
mislable? those arent impulse draw
since the deck dont have much discard/grave cast synergy, those are fine if cut
if you really want card draw, there is the premium [[throne of the eldrain]]
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Legendary Artifact
As Throne of Eldraine enters, choose a color.
: Add four mana of the chosen color. Spend this mana only to cast monocolored spells of that color.
, : Draw two cards. Spend only mana of the chosen color to activate this ability.
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a weird thing about "not losing mana" type of mana storage is that, lot of the times, you dont actually want to spend mana
if T3 , tap 3 (R) lands for [[!eletro assaulting battery]]
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T4, spend nothing, no land drop. T5 there is still going to be a total of 6 mana
enough to cast Ozai if those are duo colour
so i think keeping the mana until you find that "big game ending spell" is going to be better than using it for inefficient resources
make every spell count since red lack card advantage
instead of [[sword of vengence]], i prefer [[darksteel axe]] [[ace baseball bat]] or [[O-naginata]], just without the vigilance to block, but none of which gets it over the 10 power so a third hits is still required
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +2/+0 and has first strike, vigilance, trample, and haste.
Equip
When wielded by a true believer, it matters little whether the sword is a relic or a replica.
Artifact — Equipment
Indestructible (Effects that say "destroy" don't destroy this Equipment.)
Equipped creature gets +2/+0.
Equip
Heavier than it looks, tricky to wield, guaranteed to last.
Legendary Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +3/+0.
As long as equipped creature is attacking, it has first strike and must be blocked by a Dalek if able.
Equip legendary creature
Equip
Artifact — Equipment
This Equipment can be attached only to a creature with power 3 or greater.
Equipped creature gets +3/+0 and has trample.
Equip (: Attach to target creature you control. Equip only as a sorcery.)
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as for vigilance, there is [[forebear blade]]
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +3/+0 and has vigilance and trample.
Whenever equipped creature dies, attach this Equipment to target creature you control.
Equip
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anything that cheat the cost really
first strike is also not needed when your commander can gain indestructible to survive combat
overall, it maybe my bais, but i would avoid going too heavy on equipment when the creature i want to play the most each game, is a 6 drop (kind of 8 if you count its 6 mana ability). Since it will never come out before T4. I have done rakdos commander with a bit over 12 equipments; i drew 0 creature all game, and if i had one, it would still die to sword/path before i can give it hexproof
normal firebend cares more about using the mana at instant speed
with mana storage, having more sorcery speed is fine
i think [[horizon stone]] can be cut since there are enough redundancy in the deck
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Hey Monomon, i tried building an upgrade list for my buddies [[Krenko, Mob Boss]...
looks solid, i would probably replace all the tapped rocks for colourless ramp that doesnt enter tapped, adn add in untapping ability, if thousand year elixir is too high budget, can run tutor to get the [[sting, glinting dagger]]
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Legendary Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +1/+1 and has haste.
At the beginning of each combat, untap equipped creature.
Equipped creature has first strike as long as it's blocking or blocked by a Goblin or Orc.
Equip
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i dont really see much that is missing off the top of my head
is [[frevor]] worth playing?
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[[!fervor]]
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i probably wont use [[lightning bolt]] and somewhat indifference in keeping abade
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I have another one brewing. Its spellslinger/voltron Fire Lord Azula Deck. The g...
T5 win in bracket 2? is that a bit fast for the table
with great train heist, if copied, it would untap twice before the additional combat so that it doesnt really give an extra combat with your tapped attacker
but for the most part, it is working according to plan
in colour that can get unblockable for as low as 1 mana, i wouldnt play [[trailerblazer boots]]
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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature has nonbasic landwalk. (It can't be blocked as long as defending player controls a nonbasic land.)
Equip
It's much easier to list the places they haven't been.
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but whatever you choose, it would just be like power creep/ more efficient spells, the game plan and outcome doesnt really changes
2 hullbreaker horror with veyran goes so hard
if there are more creatures/other focus besides voltron, i can see Zada and firebending student having more value in the the deck
may also like [[archmage of rune ]]
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Creature — Giant Wizard
Instant and sorcery spells you cast cost less to cast.
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, draw a card.
He's so intent on his study that others think him frozen in place.
3/6
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i think it is probably equal if not better than emeritus here
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i wouldnt mind cutting a 2 mana rock for [[curse mirror]]
What would Curse mirrorbe for? Nit tok many worthwhile creatures to copy less itbe for the opponents
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overall, it maybe my bais, but i would avoid going too heavy on equipment when t...
I don't have a crazy amount either but idk, the deck is at 100 now, 7 draw 2 impulse 16 mana sources including quick mana spells 9 protection spells 8 removal which a good chunk are the redirect protection spells 3 board wipes 37 lands. Not sure what else could be missing
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T5 win in bracket 2? is that a bit fast for the table
yeah, didnt update the bracket yet. its B3 afaik
good point about train heist and boots. that archmage is going in for sure too
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thanks again!
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Thoughts on [[chorale of the void]] in a [[brako merciless hunter]] deck?
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[[brako heartless hunter]]
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What would Curse mirrorbe for? Nit tok many worthwhile creatures to copy less it...
curse mirror is just a very efficient clone at worst and even as a 3 mana ramp rock its doesnt really affect your curve
high ceiling low floor
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I don't have a crazy amount either but idk, the deck is at 100 now, 7 draw 2 imp...
as long as the deck work and play the way you want, you dont need 20 removals in every day so i think its fine
deft belfry
yeah, didnt update the bracket yet. its B3 afaik
i see, if there are going to be lot of interactions to stop azula from attacking, precombat is basically your weakest point as well as any spells that has to target her. Can consider a backup plan in case something goes wrong.
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Thoughts on [[chorale of the void]] in a [[brako merciless hunter]] deck?
because both cards doesnt kill or send opponent creatures to grave; they dont exactly have any direct synergy, but i think both are good enough to belong in a deck as long as there are supports to sent things to grave. dont forget the void downside at the end step or else it is kind of a high cost to reanimate one attacker
aura always runs the risk of 2-for-1 so the commanders that works with auras are often things that has Ward on it
or enough card advantage to make up for the potential loss
so it probably depends on, how much "target" removal you have to make sure brako trigger every turn for the card draw
cantrip removal is not the best strategy imo
but normal edict lets the controller choose which wont be the highest power on their side
kill spell/ability main theme -> draw/reanimate subtheme
or ignore everything and play the card you want to play because why not
storm fox
but it's kind of a niche piece that "has the activated ability of the artifact" ...
last week was busy for me, but i'll take a look at some of the recommendations you sent above tomorrow, still thank you (in advance)
deft belfry
Np, i didnt even get to put my christmas deck together and nor did i got any games to test anything XD
wanted to do red/white Santa Claus with Inoh
storm fox
[[hourglass of the lost]] is not a card i have any experience with, weird one to...
Hadnt realised it was only inlands, guess i'll cut that one for probably some etb artifact tutor
deft belfry
it has more potential in other decks, definite worth play testing sometime
storm fox
what would you think about including something like [[cloud, midgar mercenary]]?
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storm fox
can both be found by recruiter and ao
and searches for the blades
of myriad
or can find some of the other equipment in there
deft belfry
starting from cost and body the most irrelevant part of the creature, double white is affordable (in basically 2 or less colour decks, or flexible 3-4 colour mana base) 2/1 hardly matters but if it stays around, the double trigger is really nice as if there is a Ishin or double strike that comes with it
but for the most part, cloud is there for the etb search, unless your opponent knows exactly what you are trying to do, i doubt most people will even attempts to count this spell
so it is a perfectly efficient tutor for any equipments in the game. As a second copy of your Best/fun equipment, their the value ties directly to how good/essential the equipment is to your game plan
with multiple target to tutor for, the flexibility is also versatile
i think the biggest downside is its price tag, limitation in white heavy-focused decks, and number of powerful equipments in the 99
a single tutor may not effectively change the outcome of the game compare to drawing a mass amount of cards but it is guarantee the card you want
i will probably never own or play with cloud midgar in my life but it is a really good card
😅
storm fox
i decided to instead include a [[stoneforge mystic]], does the same thing for etb, and stays around a bit longer since it has 2 toughness, it is mostly there to grab blade of selves or staff of titania currently probably
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Creature — Kor Artificer
When this creature enters, you may search your library for an Equipment card, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle.
, : You may put an Equipment card from your hand onto the battlefield.
1/2
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storm fox
not much, but a little bit
but welcome to the world of proxies i guess
would it be worth it to include a [[mirrorpool]]?
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Land
This land enters tapped.
: Add .
, , Sacrifice this land: Copy target instant or sorcery spell you control. You may choose new targets for the copy.
, , Sacrifice this land: Create a token that's a copy of target creature you control.
deft belfry
for a land focused deck where you are expected to get tons of lands and selection to play the right land, a single tapped land shouldnt matter
6 mana clone should be enough utility to be worth it
crucible replay is icing on the cake
with sac outlet on the stack... this is actually really good
it goes infinite if your lands enters untapped with [[second sun rise]]
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deft belfry
thats probably the best land you can add and an oversight on my part
storm fox
it goes infinite if your lands enters untapped with [[second sun rise]]
think i still need a untapper like amulet of vigor right? because it would enter tapped when the copy of second sunrise resolves
storm fox
thats probably the best land you can add and an oversight on my part
not really an oversight, we both missed it until i found it in some obscure reddit post
deft belfry
meh, its nice to have but tapped or untapped land does change landfall triggers
storm fox
i meant that if i would want to keep looping a second sunrise on the stack i would need a untapper
deft belfry
if you to go infinite yeah, otherwise it can do enough
storm fox
fair
storm fox
Oh yeah, i saw that one
dim scaffold
Are there any enchantments (or staples in general) that would work well with [[eshki dragonclaw]] in a voltron/spellslinger deck?
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Legendary Creature — Human Warrior
Vigilance, trample, ward
At the beginning of combat on your turn, if you've cast both a creature spell and a noncreature spell this turn, draw a card and put two +1/+1 counters on Eshki Dragonclaw.
"The Twice Whisperer heals. The Dragonclaw protects. Together, we will rebuild the Temur."
4/4
dim scaffold
Here’s my deck rn if that helps, https://moxfield.com/decks/IrPeaKewz0a2vBD_c3jFmQ
deft belfry
with those abilties, my first thought would go to flying and more +1 counters synergy. i seen an interesting advanture build that maintain perfect balance between non/creature type but lot of those spells are meh in general. oh crap XD you do have the advanture version. anything that let this trigger twice would net more cards and counters. Staple? may include stronic resonator and parkers camera. ideally a non creature spell is played on the same turn eshki comes out to fulfill the requirement
i think i would switch harden scale for branching revolution instead
4 of the 7 counter ability puts more than 1
although i am not. a big fan of trap essence
there are spells that iwould cut b/c they dont seem impactful enough
[[claim territory]] if only it can get non forest but
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Creature — Dragon
Flying
Whenever this creature or another Dragon you control enters, you gain 3 life.
4/5
Claim Territory
Sorcery — Omen
Search your library for up to two basic Forest cards, reveal them, put one onto the battlefield tapped and the other into your hand, then shuffle. (Also shuffle this card.)
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[[virtue of strength]] only boost basics
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Enchantment
If you tap a basic land for mana, it produces three times as much of that mana instead.
Garenbrig Growth
Sorcery — Adventure
Return target creature or land card from your graveyard to your hand. (Then exile this card. You may cast the enchantment later from exile.)
dim scaffold
[[virtue of strength]] only boost basics
With viture of strength I was really only looking at it as a decent early game adventure which gives me good mana opportunity at the end of the game, definitely could be swapped for a stronger card though
deft belfry
rn idk how to speed it up for a smoother opening
dim scaffold
although i am not. a big fan of trap essence
I'm just going to swap it for arcane denial honestly
arcane denial wont eat all my blue mana
deft belfry
true
consider how much you care commander out
i would look for protection beyond snake veil
anything that gives indestructible as well, i can think of 4 off the top
[[waterskin bend]]
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Artifact
Untap this artifact during each other player's untap step.
: Add one mana of any color.
Katara's waterskin ensured that she would always have water for bending, healing, or drinking.
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[[alchemist refuge]]
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Land
: Add .
, : You may cast spells this turn as though they had flash.
Persecuted alchemists fled deep into Kessig's wilds, seeking solitude to continue their ghoulish craft.
deft belfry
trigger fae offering with flash creature
dim scaffold
oh that makes sense
honestly i did not read fae offering's text fully and didnt realize it was all endsteps
deft belfry
its one of the hardest card to use commander
wicked gust
https://moxfield.com/decks/6Usvem2XfEi8Orx06IFCew
I wanted to use the Endless Punishment deck since it came out but it was too expensive, but got it for basically free.but I love the starter rakdos deck my mother gave me Years ago. So I figured to mash them together and add my own personal touches to it. Thoughts? Improvements.
dim scaffold
Here’s my deck rn if that helps, https://moxfield.com/decks/IrPeaKewz0a2vBD_c3jF...
i honestly see no need for [[gifts ungiven]] in my deck so ill probably drop it
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deft belfry
oh yeah its still a GC
that explains why the deck thinks its B3
fact or fiction should do it
btw that omen dragon above wasnt exactly a suggestion, it cant get non forest
dim scaffold
yeah i'm just looking at it as a decent card for ramp rn since it's essentially kodamas reach for forests
deft belfry
[[$kodama reach]] whats your budge
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deft belfry
budget
dim scaffold
kodamas reach is already in the deck
deft belfry
cards you already own and >$2?
dim scaffold
cards you already own and >$2?
im definitely fine with cards up to ~$10
deft belfry
okay that definite open up lot of options
the adventure part is kind of what i m struggling with
rn there are nearly 50 non creature spells and lot of random small creatures
triggering eshki isnt an issue but the one draw 2 counters per turn is a slow engine
dim scaffold
i could take [[court of garenbrig]]
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deft belfry
on top of that, simple recovery such as [[!auroral procession]] + adventure two spells in one basically gurantee getting the trigger as long and you mana
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i could take [[court of garenbrig]]
i like that
dim scaffold
allows much faster snowballing for eshki
deft belfry
yeah, rn i think eshki dont want to be out on curve unless you can cast another free spell
land + 2 spells to draw 1 is going to go down in cards every turn
[[Beluna Grandsquall]] can be considered
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Legendary Creature — Giant Noble
Trample
Permanent spells you cast that have an Adventure cost less to cast.
4/4
Seek Thrills
Instant — Adventure
Mill seven cards. Then put all cards that have an Adventure from among the milled cards into your hand.
cold quartz
hey monomon, once you finish helping them would you mind taking a look at my deck and give some advice on what you would change/cut? this is my first deck ive created and im trying to have it be roughly mid bracket 3. thank you! https://moxfield.com/decks/I1CxGtc0kEag7RH2dcpY6w
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https://moxfield.com/decks/6Usvem2XfEi8Orx06IFCew
I wanted to use the Endless P...
didnt i see this b4?
deft belfry
i think. the creature count is a lot higher than i expected, and i would probably aim for weird fliers such as [[chaos dragon]]
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wicked gust
I could cut some creatures but idk what to replace them with
Maybe go to like 26/27?
And idk what other weird flyers there could be
deft belfry
i really wish [[stand or fall]] can affect oppo's combat like [[fight or flight]]
wicked gust
Rip
So cut to 27ish creatures?
Could add in a few silly stuff that's burn related from the Endless Punishment precon
deft belfry
since its group slug theme, and spiteful vision hurt you more with phyrexian arena i'd probably go for the [[scrawling crawler]]
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deft belfry
this one at least doesnt drain yourself
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any special attachment to this card? [[Totentanz, Swarm Piper]]
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Legendary Creature — Human Warlock Bard
Whenever Totentanz or another nontoken creature you control dies, create a 1/1 black Rat creature token with "This token can't block."
: Target attacking Rat you control gains deathtouch until end of turn.
Among the rats, he found the acceptance the human world never gave him.
2/3
deft belfry
As in swap arena for the Crawler
yeah
[[bedlam]] as the chaos player i love this so much but theres no reprint$
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wicked gust
Ita fine
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[[bedlam]] as the chaos player i love this so much but theres no reprint$
But it also conflicts with [[Invasion plans]] in the deck
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wicked gust
So...its good they are both in the deck?
deft belfry
i think so
wicked gust
...my brain lol
deft belfry
table dying = good?
wicked gust
[[bedlam]] as the chaos player i love this so much but theres no reprint$
It's also only $8 so ain't bad
deft belfry
vampire nighthawk has powercreep but annoying to keep track of power
wicked gust
table dying = good?
It's more so how one says creatures can't block vs creatures block each combat if able
And both on the board and how they works out
deft belfry
flying attack
non reach / flying cant block it
hmm i wonder if you need sac outlet such as [[goblin bombardment]] i will goldfish for that
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wicked gust
Eh I don't think so?
deft belfry
because [[brazen cannoade]] + attacking creature dying = profit
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deft belfry
the fun of blade of selves on kardur to goad and drain every turn tho, even more insane if the token lives to drain 3 life per dying attacker
wicked gust
Idk if ill have enough creature tokens ir creatures period to sac on attack that be worth it
deft belfry
fair
wicked gust
Especially if we're cutting creatures down
deft belfry
the upgrade i mentioned [[ nighthawk scavenger]]
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deft belfry
more annoy but usually 4+ power
[[scrythe specter]] ... interesting to see this never seen it in a game
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wicked gust
[[scrythe specter]] ... interesting to see this never seen it in a game
Came In the starter rakdos precon
deft belfry
idk if you want to try [[blitzball]] but its kind of sphere's upgrade
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Artifact
: Add one mana of any color.
GOOOOAAAALLL! — , Sacrifice this artifact: Draw two cards. Activate only if an opponent was dealt combat damage by a legendary creature this turn.
deft belfry
but cant sac whenever you want
wicked gust
Actually not many avatar cards I think i could add other than [[zuko conflict]]
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Legendary Creature — Human Rogue
At the beginning of your first main phase, choose one that hasn't been chosen and you lose 2 life —
• Draw a card.
• Put a +1/+1 counter on Zuko.
• Add .
• Exile Zuko, then return him to the battlefield under an opponent's control.
2/3
wicked gust
Which is in the deck
deft belfry
[[the falcon airship restore]]
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Legendary Artifact — Vehicle
Flying
Whenever The Falcon deals combat damage to a player, you may sacrifice it. When you do, return target creature card from your graveyard to the battlefield.
: Return this card from your graveyard to the battlefield tapped.
Crew 2
4/3
wicked gust
A last minute personal add to get back a few creature cards
deft belfry
[[fire nation drill]] potential fire bending cards, and other vehicle fleet seems more fitting
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Legendary Artifact — Vehicle
Trample
When The Fire Nation Drill enters, you may tap it. When you do, destroy target creature with power 4 or less.
: Permanents your opponents control lose hexproof and indestructible until end of turn.
Crew 2
6/3
wicked gust
Eh maybe?
deft belfry
anyways a bit conflicted in the 7 drops
kawrvek is more fitting (big removal magnet btw) but primordial is usually doing much more
yet not very many ways to reanimate it
wicked gust
Why the ship is in
deft belfry
but how do they get in grave?
wicked gust
I assume removed via destroy lol
deft belfry
[[bitter triump?
deft belfry
[[bitter triump]]?
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wicked gust
Figured you suggest sac theme
deft belfry
thats discard not sac
deft belfry
sac is more like [[explosion man]]
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deft belfry
[[explosive man]]
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[[Combustion man]]
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Which funny enough I just added him
deft belfry
i forgot the guy but he looks so fun and dumb for my taste
wicked gust
As an attacker for my deck
deft belfry
red ENCHATMENT removal
i didnt buy him since i dont have a use for this 5 drop creature
cold quartz
im still sad its not sparky sparky boom man
deft belfry
i should have brought myself the star althete but it does feel a bit dumb from the flavour perspective
dont know who but combustion man works for me
without power increase [[ baeloth barrityl ]] may not work
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wicked gust
Yea seeing it now
deft belfry
maybe my perfence but i dont see as much value out of [[indulgent tormentor]]
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i like [[master of feast ]] tho XD
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That's a more weird group hug or gross piece for [[sheoldread Apocalypse]]
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😊 "hey guys i am helping" watch underworld dream, crawler , spiteful all triiggers
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karvek chaos tech [[helm of awakening]][[mare flare]]
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Artifact
Spells cost less to cast.
"This little prize will cover your head, your spells, your bets, and your behind!" —Pashad ibn Asim, Suq'Ata trader
deft belfry
[[mana flare]]
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deft belfry
tbf i run master of the feast mainly because it is a big flyer that my opponent dont want to kill
wicked gust
[[Master of the feast]]
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deft belfry
😈
wicked gust
Oh duh
deft belfry
how else do i get rid all the deck ideas in my head
deft belfry
i dont think you nned more flyer rn
wicked gust
Is 31 still too many creatures in a dexk like this?
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deft belfry
oh [[ secret tunnell]] is weaker than i though
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Land — Cave
This land can't be blocked.
: Add .
, : Two target creatures you control that share a creature type can't be blocked this turn.
"I forget the next couple of lines, but then it goes...'Secret tunnel! Secret tunnel!" —Chong, nomad musician
wicked gust
Oh shit yea
wicked gust
So cut it for something else
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deft belfry
i think there might be too many artifact at this rate
wicked gust
Could cut some
I only added the protection boots for protecting the good creatures
Idk if they are needed
deft belfry
cannot cut sword heart and home
deft belfry
if you have [[slice hired muscle]] it is super good
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Legendary Artifact Creature — Robot
More Than Meets the Eye (You may cast this card converted for .)
Double strike, haste
At the beginning of each opponent's upkeep, you may have that player gain control of Slicer until end of turn. If you do, untap Slicer, goad it, and it can't be sacrificed this turn. If you don't, convert it.
3/4
Slicer, High-Speed Antagonist
Legendary Artifact — Vehicle
Living metal (During your turn, this Vehicle is also a creature.)
First strike, haste
Whenever Slicer deals combat damage to a player, convert it at end of combat.
3/2
deft belfry
two basics per hit
wicked gust
Wait what creature would use [[masamune]] in this deck?
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Legendary Artifact — Equipment
As long as equipped creature is attacking, it has first strike and must be blocked if able.
Equipped creature has "If a creature dying causes a triggered ability of this creature or an emblem you own to trigger, that ability triggers an additional time."
Equip
deft belfry
even your commander has a death trigger
wicked gust
Oh duh
deft belfry
although the card draw one is probably stronger
but it is 5 to play and equip so im not sure
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Artifact — Equipment
Whenever equipped creature deals combat damage to a player, you may draw two cards. If you do, discard a card.
Equip (: Attach to target creature you control. Equip only as a sorcery.)
deft belfry
the legenday, attacking dies = draw
wicked gust
Oh idk then
deft belfry
its in your deck
wicked gust
[[Mask of Griselbrand]]
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Legendary Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature has flying and lifelink.
Whenever equipped creature dies, you may pay X life, where X is its power. If you do, draw X cards.
Equip
The legacy of evil lives on.
wicked gust
It was in the precon but I cut ir
deft belfry
[[garna bloodfist if keld]]
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deft belfry
[[stensia bloodhall]] seems so bad
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Land
: Add .
, : This land deals 2 damage to target player or planeswalker.
The revelry ends when the supply of fresh ingenues runs dry.
wicked gust
It's a part of the punishment precon to trigger valgavoth to draw on other people's turns
But could be worth cutting
deft belfry
[[rite of raging storm]]
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deft belfry
if the colourless mana isnt an issue it is fine to stay
i just perfer more utility in lands
ex. [[leechridden swamp]]
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Land — Swamp
(: Add .)
This land enters tapped.
, : Each opponent loses 1 life. Activate only if you control two or more black permanents.
wicked gust
ex. [[leechridden swamp]]
Which comes in the same precon
deft belfry
[[cryptolith fragment]]
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Artifact
This artifact enters tapped.
: Add one mana of any color. Each player loses 1 life.
At the beginning of your upkeep, if each player has 10 or less life, transform this artifact.
Aurora of Emrakul
Creature — Eldrazi Reflection
Flying, deathtouch
Whenever this creature attacks, each opponent loses 3 life.
"I felt compelled to take the twisted stone, and I abandoned my horse's burden to accommodate its weight. Now, its continued glow illuminates my home and warms my mind." —Garner Kroft, Moorland farmer
1/4
deft belfry
my type of mana ramp
wicked gust
Interesting
deft belfry
[[westvale abbey]] i am trying to fit in a deck
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Land
: Add .
, , Pay 1 life: Create a 1/1 white and black Human Cleric creature token.
, , Sacrifice five creatures: Transform this land, then untap it.
Ormendahl, Profane Prince
Legendary Creature — Demon
Flying, lifelink, indestructible, haste
With Griselbrand gone, the Skirsdag eagerly awaited another demon to claim their devotion. Ormendahl did not make them wait long.
9/7
deft belfry
but its token generation and colour identity is awful for that
wicked gust
Oh I got it to fit in one funny enough
deft belfry
maybe i can play it with the master multiplied where i sac 5 attacking master
[[hostile inn]] is funnier
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Land
: Add .
, , Sacrifice a creature: Put a soul counter on this land. Then if there are three or more soul counters on it, remove those counters, transform it, then untap it. Activate only as a sorcery.
Creeping Inn
Artifact Creature — Horror Construct
Whenever this creature attacks, you may exile a creature card from your graveyard. If you do, each opponent loses X life and you gain X life, where X is the number of creature cards exiled with this creature.
: This creature phases out.
3/7
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Legendary Land
: Add .
, Sacrifice a creature: Add .
"A cursed silhouette to look upon. Even if the halls stand empty, its vile shadows blight the land. I shudder to think of the evils that it held." —Koth
Land
: Add .
, Sacrifice a creature: You gain 1 life.
If it can't be had here, it can't be had on any world.
deft belfry
maybe someone owns an old [[miren the morning well]] and cares about the extra life
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Legendary Land
: Add .
, , Sacrifice a creature: You gain life equal to the sacrificed creature's toughness.
deft belfry
once you have to pay mana it gets pretty bad
deft belfry
i will probably get back to this deck later getting sleepy
wicked gust
All good
deft belfry
hey monomon, once you finish helping them would you mind taking a look at my dec...
haha i see the glasses
cold quartz
Hell yeah
deft belfry
i run that with the harmless[[!valki god of lies]]
cold quartz
Free, no hate crime, while being a cool, never played card? Love it and got complimented on it first game I faced my buddy with it
Oh definitely harmless looking
deft belfry
best crime card imo [[secret rendervious]]
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cold quartz
Just a silly copy deck
deft belfry
white doing white things
cold quartz
White card draw going crazy
cold quartz
But yeah I have only played a couple games with the deck so far but even after those 2 I knew I wanted to change it a bit, I enjoyed the general game plan it just felt slow, like prolly average turn 10 win if i had to guess..so I added some more explosive things (you can see specifics in primer if interested in recent changes) and I want to push it more towards bracket 3 because that's what my pod generally plays at
So my sideboard is the game changers I'm considering adding
deft belfry
yeah, i dont see too many win cons
cold quartz
But current concerns for me is I feel like after those recent changes my creature count could be getting to low, and idk how the deck deals with go wide strategies
deft belfry
[[bribe]]
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deft belfry
i can think of stealing win cons
deft belfry
especially if you kknow your table
there is one that steal artifact
[[predator grasp]] need to cast
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[[praetor grasp]]
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cold quartz
I don't think my pod is as big on artifacts outside of rocks, I very recently just got put onto [[Urza's Saga]] and looked at like all the 1 cost artifacts
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Enchantment Land — Urza's Saga
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter. Sacrifice after III.)
I — This Saga gains ": Add ."
II — This Saga gains ", : Create a 0/0 colorless Construct artifact creature token with 'This token gets +1/+1 for each artifact you control.'"
III — Search your library for an artifact card with mana cost 
or , put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle.
deft belfry
[[mindcrank]] can be a fun/troll card
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deft belfry
for non red decks saga can search lavpur boots for haste
or all the new land matter decks amulet vigor
counters power house the ozolith
cold quartz
Bribery just seems way better than praetor's grasp in most situations no? Since it's a put
deft belfry
if you know what people play
cold quartz
I usually don't since we play on TTS we change decks all the time
deft belfry
grasp can technically go for soomeones' best card/ win con/ force of will and use it against them while taking that oppotunity away
cold quartz
Makes sense
deft belfry
if you want generic good stuff that are fun [[ faerie artisans]]
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[[diviner of mist]]
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[[halo forager]]
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Creature — Faerie Rogue
Flying
When this creature enters, you may pay . When you do, you may cast target instant or sorcery card with mana value X from a graveyard without paying its mana cost. If that spell would be put into a graveyard, exile it instead.
3/1
cold quartz
Oh that's cool, yeah I definitely feel like the deck could get some more blue love in it, which surprised me after I finished building it because I play blue probably the most (sorry friends)
deft belfry
that can cheat the cost of [[envitable betrayer]]
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[[inevitible betrayal]]
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Sorcery
Suspend 3— (Rather than cast this card from your hand, pay and exile it with three time counters on it. At the beginning of your upkeep, remove a time counter. When the last is removed, you may cast it without paying its mana cost.)
Search target opponent's library for a creature card and put that card onto the battlefield under your control. Then that player shuffles.
deft belfry
same card but suspend so technically worst
[[likeness looter]] i imagine you want lot of card selection
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Creature — Faerie Shapeshifter
Flying
: Draw a card, then discard a card.
: This creature becomes a copy of target creature card in your graveyard with mana value X, except it has flying and this ability. Activate only as a sorcery.
1/1
cold quartz
What stands out to you as the more obvious cuts for these? I'm a bit hesitant to put a lot of 4-5 mana things in the deck because that's about the mana I want to cast my commander and start the engines
cold quartz
Also for more/better wincons
I'm not sure, from my understanding ideally I want to get enough mana and have enough crime committers to do it on each of my opponents turns as well
If I so want or just do it all on mine
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Artifact
Untap this artifact during each other player's untap step.
: Add one mana of any color.
Katara's waterskin ensured that she would always have water for bending, healing, or drinking.
cold quartz
That's fair, could have more discard outlets instead, I thought it could be a good fallback to just cast the big creatures outright but after playing the deck, finding the reanimators wasn't really an issue
deft belfry
rn i am paying lot of attention to [[Hidetsugu and Kairi]]
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deft belfry
i think its one of the biggest creature to reanime and kill at 5 mana
but the burn is single target which is both good and bad
cold quartz
With how my curve is, does that work in this since the deck is fairly low curved?
deft belfry
the free cast with reanimate potential is insane
cold quartz
Ah ok thats the bigger part makes sense
deft belfry
i think it comes down to, how much reanimate can you do
cold quartz
You think I need more than 16?
deft belfry
i mean the reanimate target
deft belfry
those two works well. with haste i guess?
cold quartz
So that's kind of how I make the deck have better wincons and more explosiveness, more reanimate and less ramp things?
deft belfry
yeah, because if you are cheating mana cost, then a 6 drop or 10 drop makes no different
cold quartz
True, I was a bit bashful with them then haha
deft belfry
with few creatures, i think i would do [[breach the multiverse]] instead of dark realm
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cold quartz
Yeah I was definitely going back and forth on that
deft belfry
one game i copies it 7 times, i am not proud of that win
cold quartz
Hahahaha
cold quartz
Yeah I will say I like how the deck feels, like it's quite fair and not too policing, and leads to kind of a slow, grindy gameststate where the deck feels inevitable, I just want to do that stuff a bit faster and better
deft belfry
and no, my opponent did not draw enough cards to deck out
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Artifact
: Target player mills a card. (They put the top card of their library into their graveyard.)
, , Sacrifice this artifact: Return target card from your graveyard to your hand.
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[[rona disicipline]]
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[[rona herald of invasion]]
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Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
Whenever you cast a legendary spell, untap Rona.
: Draw a card, then discard a card.
: Transform Rona. Activate only as a sorcery. ( can be paid with either or 2 life.)
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Rona, Tolarian Obliterator
Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Wizard
Trample
Whenever a source deals damage to Rona, that source's controller exiles a card from their hand at random. If it's a land card, you may put it onto the battlefield under your control. Otherwise, you may cast it without paying its mana cost.
"At last, I am compleat."
5/5