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shrewd zealotBOT
marble cedar
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The Surveyor tutors up caves

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:)

deft belfry
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you have one cave

marble cedar
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True

deft belfry
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and its to tutor for other lands

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and with [[planar lens]] you really care more about basics

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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note that this benefit other red players so

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most people run all snow lands to avoid that

marble cedar
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That's a good shout

deft belfry
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which is the other reason why it is a "pricier" pick

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it replace the basic land package

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and the first turn it comes in, you also lose one on board

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i call it "selfish" mana flare

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i dont think darksteel citadel is better than a basic when you want all red mana

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cage sun checks for the colour tapped

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gaunlet cares for basic as well

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gaunlet again is symmetrical for other player, but it only apply to basics so it limits how much it helps others

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so from symmetrical to asymm:
mana flare -> planar lens/gauntlet -> planar with snow lands /cage sun

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the [[dragon hoard]] i mentioned, i would replace [[endless atlar]] it cost mana4 for 1 card, and mana2 every card after that

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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want to replace treasures for more solid rocks too, even if they make colourless mana, cascading cataracts can turn them into red

marble cedar
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Cool ive had a bit of shuffle around danka

deft belfry
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yeah, i am aware of targetting your own land, those spells are just really bad ramp growth in red

deft belfry
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[[dwarven mine]] is as far as i would go for blockers

shrewd zealotBOT
marble cedar
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Any idea what kinda bracket level this would be sitting at

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im feeling 3 apart from the combos

deft belfry
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this looks interesting, i actually dont recognize this commander XD. not what i expect of B3

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very well put together. solid deck from first glance. I am sure there are things i either didnt noticed or things that only comes up in game.

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[[great furnace]] i am not sure if the artifact type is a downside or not since it gives a potential target for the tap ability

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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one thing i hardly see would be untap in respond to the tap ability;
Stack 1) activate Rath, target A 2) untap before passing priority 3) resolve untap and attempt to activate Rath, target B 4) resolve both Rath's activate ability. iirc, since the ability is under your control, the result will be
Rath destroys target B, give control to controller or B, then destroys target A, but fail to give control of something you no longer control. Therefore, more control over who you give away Rath to and trade a 2 for 1 with political set up

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reposted for simpler to read

  1. activate Rath, target A
  2. untap before passing priority
  3. resolve untap and attempt to activate Rath, target B
  4. resolve both Rath's activate ability.

i checked, i got it backward. the ability will always give control of rath regardless of who controls him in the end

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give Rath to controller of target B, destroys both target A & B

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oh wait, its all there XD i missed the whole category

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i wonder if enchantment haste would be a consideration here

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deck list is very tight i cant find room to swap

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i usually try to play [[semblance anvil]] whenever possible

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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gtg 2 work will look at it again

peak citrus
marble cedar
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is to give me more things to target with my commander

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Cause the combo for the deck is

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"Target my own permanent"

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Untap with it on the stack

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and then hit my opponents thing so it comes back to me

deft belfry
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hmmmm

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does it work in that order

quaint linden
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[[primal vigor]] affects the whole table right. Or did i read the card wrong

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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if you exclude the counter on planeswalker part

quaint linden
deft belfry
shrewd zealotBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/tdc/181/gix-yawgmoth-praetor

Gix, Yawgmoth Praetor <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Praetor
Whenever a creature deals combat damage to one of your opponents, its controller may pay 1 life. If they do, they draw a card.
mana4manabmanabmanab, Discard X cards: Exile the top X cards of target opponent's library. You may play lands and cast spells from among cards exiled this way without paying their mana costs.
3/3

peak citrus
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War room is good, ty

deft belfry
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also [[Palantir of Orthanc]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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ur welcome

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anything that beats phyrexian arena in mono black draw is acceptable by my standard

peak citrus
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Orb is good, I'll think about that one

deft belfry
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i am wondering if it can play other control stuff sure as [[hylda's crown of winter]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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[[ liquimetal coating]] can target a land but i guess the function is usually a worse torque since its not a mana rock

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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[[jandor's saddlebags]] cost too much with only commander synergy

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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i would add [[reckless handling]] @marble cedar

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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and i am trying to figure out if [[lithoform engine]] works

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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[[captivating crew]] does fit sketchy

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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[[Tower of the Magistrate]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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[[[[Arcane Lighthouse]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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i like [[Feldon of the Third Path]]'s tap ability

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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can work with wurmcoil engine and [[solemn simulacrum]] sad golem

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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[[ Arcum's Astrolabe ]] should go in the deck for a little bit more card advantage

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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the meanest thing i could find would be [[mirror of life trapping]]

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deft belfry
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if something is exiled already and nothing else entered after being casted, if the mirror goes away, the exiled creature will never come back

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it will make starke extra scary if someone wants to cast their commander

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new card [[weapons manufacturing]] can make tokens

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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overall, i try to pick cards that are 4 or less mana, the 2+3+3+3... from saddlebags seems really bad

marble cedar
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The point is so I can sacrafice him in an emergency

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instead of him going to my opponents

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whats the thought process with Magistrate's Tower?

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And yea the starke combo is odd xD, Im using things like bazare trader as well to give starke back to me

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most of these combos give the opponent a oppurtunity to sack it at instant speed

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so gotta be careful

marble cedar
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Surely im better off running a [[Mishra's Bauble]]

shrewd zealotBOT
marble cedar
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or maybe even a vexing bauble

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to hose people

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[[Vexing Bauble

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[[Vexing Bauble]]

shrewd zealotBOT
marble cedar
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Also very tempted to slot in a handful of stacks cards

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also tempted by [[Cloak and Dagger]]

shrewd zealotBOT
marble cedar
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Starke is a rouge in the Oracle text

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but hte issue is it stops me from untapping him

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cause shroud

marble cedar
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nope

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thats not how that works

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also yeah im a big fan of feldon here as well ty

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and reckless handling is great

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didnt know about that

marble cedar
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Thinking about sliding in a cheeky

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[[metal worker]]

shrewd zealotBOT
marble cedar
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Cause already goes infinte with umbral mantle

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and sudo infinte with staff of dom

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and then also infnite with voltaic key and rings of

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bright hearth

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Yeah adding a Metal worker, and swapping blight steel with a walking balista

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for more consistent winning

deft belfry
shrewd zealotBOT
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No card found for “brazzar trader”

deft belfry
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since the order is activate trader, activate starke

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by the time trader resolves, the target is illegal as Starke is no longer under your control.

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so i think it doesnt work

deft belfry
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equipments

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yeah i like vexing bauble, although i think its meta dependent, B3 may not have too many free spells. i think it is slightly worst than having the astrolabe for a guarantee draw and target for Starke

deft belfry
# marble cedar Starke is a rouge in the Oracle text

if you give him shroud, it will change your game from combo removal/control to a more political-control. by giving him away, they can now remove whatever they want. if the board is full of threats, i can see it become a niche picj/ play style

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i dont think it is needed if you want untappers, it makes it a nonbo

marble cedar
deft belfry
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ithink i used it with ... [the master multiplied]] XD

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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all the copies can fight over who wants to wear the cloak

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"It's mine. No, it's MINE!"

marble cedar
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thats funny

deft belfry
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how much is [[$metal worker]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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🤮

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inb4 i spend that much on bulk janks

marble cedar
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I should say this deck is for primarly online play

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i dont really play in person much anymore

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so im willing to run orignal duels and stupidly expensive stuff

deft belfry
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fair

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i think that makes the commander especially hard to pilot

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because you cant really tell what kind of opponent you are against and how you can politic with them with an on-board single target removal

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from facial expression to social interaction

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or knowing someone is more of a red/chaos player

empty bison
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Hey! I've built a rough draft for a theme deck that every card besides lands have to say "whenever an opponent". I know it's bracket 1 or 2, and can't really be much more than that with my theme, but was just wondering if there is anything i'm missing you would like to add in thought or cards? 🙂

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Oh, and I still need to go through my lands for mana fixing. Since it will be bracket 1 or 2, would you recommend more than usual tapped lands for color fixing

deft belfry
empty bison
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OMG LMAO!!!

deft belfry
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for a B2 deck it seems to have lot of salty cards

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i didnt finish mine but it probably has a high salt score

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i would have had [[possibility storm]] and [[rug of smoothering]] in my decks in general XD

shrewd zealotBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/dgm/34/possibility-storm

Possibility Storm <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
Whenever a player casts a spell from their hand, that player exiles it, then exiles cards from the top of their library until they exile a card that shares a card type with it. That player may cast that card without paying its mana cost. Then they put all cards exiled with this enchantment on the bottom of their library in a random order.

deft belfry
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so it would be no exception if it was my personal deck

empty bison
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Of course. 🙂

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Would you play it at Bracket 3 then? Just seems too weak for that, but too salty for 2

deft belfry
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what do you think about [[council of four]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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i will do some quick gold fishing

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too many cards to keep track of what it is doing

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the colour balance looks really good

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curve and avg cmc looks good too

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so the problem is probably going to be the cohesive game plan

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if any

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very imbalance card type

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unless you care about life gain, i wouldnt go for [[rewards of diversity]] too niche

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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its harder than [[root of life]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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i can see two philosophy behind the cards of choice

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for example, [[memory erosion]] has a easy to fulfill condition

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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since everyone cant avoid playing magic

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the payoff is small but what it does is irrelevant here

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the point is that it will happen consistently each game

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so you can either aim for, lot of triggers when your opponent cast a spell
or just all sort of different effects that triggers for any small things

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play a land, tap a land, attack with a creature, etc

empty bison
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yeah, for sure.

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I think i prefer the many small things

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at least in the first iteration

deft belfry
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[[vengeful tracker]] is something i only play with [[descend into avenus]]

shrewd zealotBOT
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No card found for “descend into avenus”

deft belfry
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i am more picky when it comes to potential dead triggers

empty bison
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I probably should be as well.

deft belfry
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[[lavinia azorius renegade]] [[boromir warden of the tower]] both do the same thing, good low cost effect but they

shrewd zealotBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/195/lavinia-azorius-renegade

Lavinia, Azorius Renegade <:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Soldier
Each opponent can't cast noncreature spells with mana value greater than the number of lands that player controls.
Whenever an opponent casts a spell, if no mana was spent to cast it, counter that spell.
"I told Jace that Ravnica would fall apart if he didn't take his responsibilities seriously. I didn't want to be right."
2/2

deft belfry
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both also do nothing

empty bison
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hahaha

deft belfry
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because they incentivize non action from your opponents

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not necessarily nonbo with [[forced fruition]] but you get the idea

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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since "whenever" card pool is so broad
i think you can either have another restriction on card choice or clear direction oyu want to go

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the cuter name i ended up with is the "annoying gf deck" just messing with others with triggers

empty bison
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lol yeah.

deft belfry
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with the life loss stuff, i would add the [[mindcrank]]

shrewd zealotBOT
empty bison
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I think I want to start with "Whenever an opponent" only.

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ok.

deft belfry
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although this one really went up in price if you dont already own one

empty bison
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It was in the maybe pile and I wiaas thinking the same thing.

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I appreciate the incentivize non action from your opponents insight.

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I didn't notice that yet. I need that action for everything else.

deft belfry
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yeah. if no one do anything, you also end up doing nothing

empty bison
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for sure.

deft belfry
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looks like i dont like the life gain stuff in general 😅 but i am bais since i dont like white [[solider of the pantheon]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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[[spectrum sentinel]] is as far as i would go

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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slightly less niche

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if your meta dont have lot of white, [[havoc]] is a dead card

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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my favourite blue enchantment [[shared fate]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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nvm it doesnt say whenever

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[[aether sting]] looks meh at 4 cost, since it also doesnt affect tokens

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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but it fit the burn plan

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[[lurking predator]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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good with heavy creature ratio in the 99

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[[wildfire elemental]] is hard to control at sorcery speed, where most spells are done by the turn player

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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"sorery spell" more like during turn-player's turn

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rephrase myself

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without ramp is the hard part, things above 5 mana is really hard to play

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it that betrays is stuck

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without [[smoothering tithe]] what options are there for ramp

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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hopefully monologue tax is holding up well

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[[swindler's scheme]] is a bit rough, not sure what will be given

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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i am trying to figure out how to trigger [[river song]] & [[cosi's trickster]] for the payoff

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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higher power people shuffle more

empty bison
empty bison
deft belfry
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[[wedding ring]] is a good one

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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forced marriage btw, its not a question or an offer

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if only you had green [[kavu predator]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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i find removal though XD [[circle of confinement]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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[[zidane tantalus thief]] looks interesting, but i sidetracked

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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i think i like [[chandra's spitfire]] a bit more than the wildfire thing since it comes with flying, but the buff is still hard to get

shrewd zealotBOT
empty bison
deft belfry
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if you want more other types and interaction

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[[scalding viper]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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even at sorcery speed, at least you have removal

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i actually had this jank in a deck [[chimeric egg]] its a decent blocker that deters attacks

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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same for [[opal aerolith]], if you want to be extra hipster

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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idk if i saw [[scab-clan berserker]] easy to trigger

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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probably better than the specific colour

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mogg sentry maybe a cut

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oh i saw another interesting one [[mondronen shaman]]

shrewd zealotBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/dka/98/mondronen-shaman-tovolars-magehunter

Mondronen Shaman <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Human Shaman Werewolf
At the beginning of each upkeep, if no spells were cast last turn, transform this creature.
"Tovolar, my master. Gather the howlpack, for the Hunter's Moon is nigh and Thraben's walls grow weak."
3/2

Tovolar's Magehunter
Creature — Werewolf
Whenever an opponent casts a spell, this creature deals 2 damage to that player.
At the beginning of each upkeep, if a player cast two or more spells last turn, transform this creature.
5/5

deft belfry
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transform + punish for casting, front kinda does nothing

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[[deep-sea kraken]]

shrewd zealotBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/dds/3/deep-sea-kraken

Deep-Sea Kraken <:mana7:292901508540792835><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Kraken
This creature can't be blocked.
Suspend 9—mana2manau (Rather than cast this card from your hand, you may pay mana2manau and exile it with nine time counters on it. At the beginning of your upkeep, remove a time counter. When the last is removed, you may cast it without paying its mana cost. It has haste.)
Whenever an opponent casts a spell, if this card is suspended, remove a time counter from it.
6/6

deft belfry
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and then blue version of lurking pred [[mind's dilation]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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the mana cost is the problem

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[[dreamtide whale]] [[patrolling peacemaker]] new card seems powerful

shrewd zealotBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/eoc/5/patrolling-peacemaker

Patrolling Peacemaker <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Artifact Creature — Robot Soldier
This creature enters with two +1/+1 counters on it.
Whenever an opponent commits a crime, proliferate. (They commit a crime if they target an opponent, anything an opponent controls, and/or cards in an opponent's graveyard. To proliferate, you choose any number of permanents and/or players, then give each another counter of each kind already there.)
0/0

deft belfry
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oh dreamtide is any player, not just opponent

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that one only fits my trigger requirement, not yours

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guess what, both commander has cool expensive art

empty bison
empty bison
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I have that one laying around. I never looked at the back

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Does that count... I think as long as it says anywhere on the card?

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not like those restrictions even matter

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Thanks so much for all of the insight!

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I appreciate it!

deft belfry
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np, in jeskai, the number is a bit limited but i can see a very annoying fun game XD

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i know i want black for my build so i can do waste not and [[geth's grimoire]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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and i can also have dreamtide whale since it triggers on all players, not just opponent

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also other things that ramps

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i think you can still play mana rocks if you need the ramp

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its not like all your lands say "whenever your opponent deals combat damage to you, they gain control of it"

empty bison
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All so true. I picked jeskai really because the value of the commanders. Maybe a rouges passage for Ishai late game.

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Since there is no real direction, I'd have that back up plan.

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"Whenever an opponent" came back with 178 cards.

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48 legends to choose from but no mono color as there was not enough of a card pool.

deft belfry
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i think in RUW colour there are like half of that?

empty bison
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Yeah, look like 92.

empty bison
empty bison
deft belfry
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b/c new card XD

empty bison
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lol for sure

deft belfry
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i will look forward to your final product

empty bison
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Thanks! Should have it completed in a week or so. I've updated the decklist to show the first iteration of it.

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It might be too salty for bracket 2 but we shall see.

brittle pasture
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@deft belfry How can I make this deck better beside fetches and birgi
https://archidekt.com/decks/13575795/storm_force_of_nature_deck

Archidekt
Storm Force of Nature Deck • (Temur Commander deck) • Archidekt

Storm, Force of Nature - Commander deck
Cantrips • Spellslinger • Combo • Storm • Spell Copy
(1) Commander • (5) Combo • (2) Copy Stuff • (1) Counters • (19) Draw • (3) Finisher • (38) Land • (1) Protection • (20) Ramp • (1) Recursion • (5) Removal • (4) Tutor
Combo of to win with Lab Maniac or Grapeshot, to ruin...

deft belfry
shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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deft belfry
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i think the current synergy is a little weird but it is definitely not bad

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exploration ramps but is usually in a land matter deck, it comes down early enough so it may not matter too much, [[big score]] would be a really good spell to copy

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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[[baral, chief of compliance]] is basically strictly better herehttps://scryfall.com/search?q=oracletag%3Acost-reducer-instant-sorcery

Scryfall Magic The Gathering Search
oracletag:cost-reducer-instant-sorcery

38 Magic cards found where the card is tagged “cost-reducer-instant-sorcery”

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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[[haughty djinn]] is one that i like to use as well with the build in combat win-con

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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if you somehow go in to proliferate, such as [[rad storm]], [[mindsplice apparatus]] got some good potential

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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[[ral, monsoon mage]] same thing, [[thunderclap drake]] is an awkward back up? [[stormcatch mentor]] is the direct powercreep

shrewd zealotBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/247/ral-monsoon-mage-ral-leyline-prodigy

Ral, Monsoon Mage <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
Instant and sorcery spells you cast cost mana1 less to cast.
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell during your turn, flip a coin. If you lose the flip, Ral deals 1 damage to you. If you win the flip, you may exile Ral. If you do, return him to the battlefield transformed under his owner's control.
1/3

Ral, Leyline Prodigy
Legendary Planeswalker — Ral
Ral enters with an additional loyalty counter on him for each instant and sorcery spell you've cast this turn.
+1: Until your next turn, instant and sorcery spells you cast cost mana1 less to cast.
−2: Ral deals 2 damage divided as you choose among one or two targets. Draw a card if you control a blue permanent other than Ral.
−8: Exile the top eight cards of your library. You may cast instant and sorcery spells from among them this turn without paying their mana costs.
Loyalty: 2

deft belfry
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[[wizards of thay]] i have been trying to play around with

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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speaking of cost reduction [[thundersca[e familiar]] is a weird one that may have a place

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[[thousand year storm]] feels too much like a thematic pet card

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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i dont know if B4 has a place for it

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it is 6 mana do nothing afterall

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consider to remove [[consider]] because

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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for adding to storm count, it is meh. Just use [[gitaxian probe]]. And if it is your storm payoff spell, then there is [[tezzeret's gambit]] and alike. i would go for sorcery that i can get storm copies value that is always easy to cast and cost less etc, or rather, add non instant sorcery to add to the storm count

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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cantrip is a lot worse without an [[archmage emeritus]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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which i doubt this deck would run

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[[thrill of possibility]] is only the weaker side

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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because [[chart a course]] and

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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[[channel force]]

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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since it also targets the player, it wont fizzle if there are no more creatures to kill

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saw this weird jank in my search [[surge of strength]]

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definitely not a [[berserk]] tho

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and now for the big stuff [[kalamax storm sire]] is like a second backup commander that does similar things and also works really well with [[twinning staff]]

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this would have a bigger focus on instant? and it only copy one spell once unless you have mutliple copies of kalamax

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which you can do on your Storm [[irenicus's vile duplication]] [[second major]]

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No card found for “second major”

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[[Seifer Almas]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/fin/156/seifer-almasy

Seifer Almasy <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Human Knight
Whenever a creature you control attacks alone, it gains double strike until end of turn.
Fire Cross — Whenever Seifer Almasy deals combat damage to a player, you may cast target instant or sorcery card with mana value 3 or less from your graveyard without paying its mana cost. If that spell would be put into your graveyard, exile it instead.
3/4

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do leveler have to be in here

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[[path of the pyromancer]] also looks off

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i guess if you can afford the initial 5 cost, the mana is worth but it depends on so many things

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[[prismatic vista]]

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hmm i was thinking of the cheaper one but i forgot the name, it only put the basic untap if you have 4 or more lands

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[[dsiplay of power]] double the number of spells on the stack, it copy other players spells as well

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if you go into counter war, mindbreak trap may have a place, hopefully not

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not draw a new hand

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[[Overblaze ]] i think effects like this is what storm should explore into

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deft belfry
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cast free spells, combat trigger, game ending storm spell with multiple copies on the stack, see how someone react in respond

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[[mox amber]] is this in the list

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deft belfry
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free storm count

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@deft belfry Well, just realized if you ask scryfall to search for "whenever" "an opponent" and separate them as two separate statements, there are a TON more cards. Some of them out outside my rule set, but a lot do count. They just flopped the order of the words around but it still produces whenever an opponent does something requirement. [[Charismatic conquer]] [[authority of the consuls]]

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empty bison
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Wait... I'm not totally right there. nvm, I need to dig more.

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deft belfry
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thinking of [[sunbird blessing]]

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No card found for “sunbird blessing”

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[[songbird blessing]]

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makes it easy to get [[colossification]] or conscription at half the cost

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i think [[utopia sprawl]] is just better when you have multi colour, although the enchant target has to be forest

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ramp is ramp, i would play both if the deck allows

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note that pro green from the sword makes some of the aura falls off

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can go for green enchantments/aura that untap lands instead

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or just be aware of the nonbo

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since you can get blue unblockable eff from a single mana

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i dont think [[trailblazer's boot]] mana4 is worth it

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may also like [[slip out the back]]

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protects all the equip and auras on the target as long as it is not pro blue

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just thought of [[virtue of knowledge]] off the top maybe it has a place

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silent arbiter is a great card, although i may go for the cat (same as dueling ground) instead since i remember it is only 3 mana; makes the curve nicer by avoiding things that overlap with commander casting cost

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[[cathedal of war]] could be better than the [[sublime archangel]] because you dont really make tokens or go wide

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mana curve, card quality/ card choice, the role of each colour in the deck, and the focus of the deck

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[[stoic angel]] feels like weird stax effect that s out of the blue

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cut [[reliquary tower]] unless you playing control + draw

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[[mark of sakiko]] secret ramp tech?

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well for the storm deck, if you get her double strike, you get double storm on that next spell

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at the low cost of 1 mana

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Yea I probably will put psychotic fury in

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with train heist, you can get multiple combats
so idk what you meant that its too slow for the game plan; the first few (cost reduction) cards i mentioned were just better versions of what i saw in the build

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while i know 4 drops are too slow, it depends if you plan on keeping thousand year storm and if you want to change the direction of the deck

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ideal play would be: Untap with Storm in play, give her double strike, then first strike combat dmg trigger, cast and copy heist. a minimal of 2 addtional combat, and set up the next spell with Storm trigger after normal combat damage

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which will end up with a single spell with x4 storm triggers + original

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phyrexian phobe draws (storm count 2) 9

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i believe you can also do cipher, the one that taps or untap permanents

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but its faster now

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got this name wrong a while back its called [[double major]]

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confused it with [[second harvest]]

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@deft belfry I've gone through your suggestions but I'm having a bit of trouble making room for more atm

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I could cut the swords

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But I'm not sure if I should

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Made some more changes

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would you play [[almost perfect]] over colossification?

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1 less mana, but the commander double strike will be 20 damage after exalt XD

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in case you have to hard cast, it doesnt tap the creature

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i did consider a way to put things back into the deck but its too much work

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i probably would have kept the fire and ice unless you dont plan on buying one, mainly because it draws

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i like swan song more than counterspell but thats my preference

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i like swan song more than counterspell but thats my preference

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ancestral mask good add

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on the fence about bastion protector

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since there are countless exile removals

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esper sentinel is fine

deft belfry
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in case you want to keep it

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T2 ramp, T3 commander, T4 aura + 4 double strike commander damage

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if you can somehow at 7 power, it will be lethal as early as T4

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add*

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like ancestral mask + ethereal armor + ramp aura

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[[academy ruins]] can be replaced if there are no artifact left

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can add enchantress for card draw

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if the plan is combo win, a single tutor is technically enough

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I need some help with my teval deck https://archidekt.com/decks/15463714/teval , not sure which route to take. More of a landfall one or more of a reanimator one

Archidekt
Teval • (Sultai Commander deck) • Archidekt

Teval, the Balanced Scale - Commander deck

(1) Commander • (1) Drain • (7) Draw • (1) Evasion • (3) Finisher • (37) Land • (3) Landfall • (11) Mill • (13) Ramp • (15) Recursion • (6) Removal • (1) Sac Outlet • (1) Stax

deft belfry
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personally i think one is more overplay and boring

dawn ore
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Well i already have decks that do both, so a mix of both would be nice

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alright, will look after work 🏃‍➡️

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[[dread return]]

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list is tight for this commander; right now is basically self mill into value payoff

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i see quite many late game spells, such as [[necromanic selection]]

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cards that are too big for [[diviner of mist]]

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i dont doubt the ramp to play big stuff, but they dont have that synergy toward recursion or landfall. [[torment of hailfire]] is just generic good stuff

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personally i dont think it is a card below B3

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X spells that burns tends to be more anticlimatic

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or takes all the attention away from the rest of the deck for how cool it is

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since you did have it set as B3, perhaps can get more synergy and

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[[crypt of agadeem]] no black creatures in the 99 to make it worth

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[[drownyard temple]] slow especially when you have green

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can add MDFC and play the land from grave

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[[amulet of vigor]] not sure if this is needed because the tapped land should be fine

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nowhere near as good as playing multiple lands per turn

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since you like big spells, i think you will like [[titan nest]]

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not necessary a reason to remove hailfire, but you can exile all cards from grave to turn it all into 2/2 s

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even if you dont run evolving wild, you can still do Panorama/ MH3 cycle land is already there/ [[escape tunnel]] [[fable passage]] [[promising vein]] [[shire terrace]] etc

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https://scryfall.com/card/eoc/157/escape-tunnel

Escape Tunnel

Land
manat, Sacrifice this land: Search your library for a basic land card, put it onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.
manat, Sacrifice this land: Target creature with power 2 or less can't be blocked this turn.
No self-respecting criminal has a basement with only one exit.

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https://scryfall.com/card/eoc/60/fabled-passage

Fabled Passage

Land
manat, Sacrifice this land: Search your library for a basic land card, put it onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle. Then if you control four or more lands, untap that land.
For many children, the wonder of their first warp is a lifelong inspiration.

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https://scryfall.com/card/lci/279/promising-vein

Promising Vein

Land — Cave
manat: Add manac.
mana1, manat, Sacrifice this land: Search your library for a basic land card, put it onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.
United under the banner of the Brazen Coalition, pirates put aside their feuds to plunder the underground bounty.

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perhaps ways to tutor for crucible to make it a core part of the deck

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change to snow basic for more names

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[[lord of extinction]] unfortunately no synergy with commander

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deft belfry
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this one is odd and interesting [[kotis sibsig champion]] idr this card

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https://scryfall.com/card/tdc/5/kotis-sibsig-champion

Kotis, Sibsig Champion <:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Zombie Warrior
Once during each of your turns, you may cast a creature spell from your graveyard by exiling three other cards from your graveyard in addition to paying its other costs.
Whenever one or more creatures you control enter, if one or more of them entered from a graveyard or was cast from a graveyard, put two +1/+1 counters on Kotis.
3/3

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although not really worth in the deck

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i would go for the one that turn all non tokens into forest for synergy

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Ok, thx for the input. The list was highly based on the precon, but i'll make some changes like you suggested

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NP, have fun

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i was thinking of [[ashaya]] btw

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make every reanimate trigger landfall

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unfortunately the tokens still cant tap for mana with that

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i side tracked myself but speaking of turning creatures into lands... [[vitalize]] [[mobilize]] [[quest for renewal]] anything that untaps all becomes so nice

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empty bison
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Hey Monomon. 🙂 I've settled on my deck list for now. I need to buy 4-5 more cards, but I will play this list for a couple of weeks. I tried Bracket 3 last nice (I had Smothering Tithe, Rystic Study, Consecrated Sphinx) in it. The deck did surprisingly well (mostly becuase of the counters added to my commander) but also seemed to fall short as the deck is just a bunch of madness. The real question is with this list, can I play in Bracket 2 or would I be too salty? I did of course take the 3 game changers out. https://archidekt.com/decks/15576448/whenever_an_opponent_only

Archidekt
Whenever an opponent ONLY • (Jeskai Commander deck) • Archidekt

Kraum, Ludevic's Opus & Ishai, Ojutai Dragonspeaker - Commander deck
Triggered Abilities
(2) Commander • (4) Artifact • (36) Creature • (19) Enchantment • (1) Instant • (38) Land

deft belfry
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keeping track of all the triggers is the most painful part

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and that will be on the user rather than the opponent

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@deft belfry Thanks!!

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did oyu have myraid landscape

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it can ramp for a land

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or even [[temple of the false god]] so you have an extra mana after T5

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When putting together the list, I didn’t intend to have that many combos, just wanted to abuse blink effects to out value opponents and protect my things

deft belfry
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so, non combo focus value engine

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i am such lot of the combo are from similar card so cutting one may eliminate a lot of them

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i will take a quick look

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i will try to goldfish some before suggesting adds

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idk what are you trying to do with 3 copies of [[hare apparent]]

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maybe missing removal

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[[second breakfast]]

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nope wrong name

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i would probly cut [[halo fountain]] , [[inquisitor exarch]]

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would swap terramorphic expanse for [[shire terrace]] or utility land

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starfall invocation destroy too many of your own stuff in a go wide deck

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on the fence for [[storm of souls]]

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i would keep [[angel of indemnity]] and cut

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https://scryfall.com/card/otc/9/angel-of-indemnity

Angel of Indemnity <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Angel Warrior
Flying, lifelink
When this creature enters, return target permanent card with mana value 4 or less from your graveyard to the battlefield.
Encore mana6manawmanaw (mana6manawmanaw, Exile this card from your graveyard: For each opponent, create a token copy that attacks that opponent this turn if able. They gain haste. Sacrifice them at the beginning of the next end step. Activate only as a sorcery.)
5/5

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[[sun titan]]

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not very many 3 value things even tho it is a repeatable reanimate trigger

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so 6 mana for that eff is a lot

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[[the battle of bywater]]

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[[split up]]

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i think 4 mana is the rate of [[wrath of god]]

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if you are paying 5 or more mana, make it one sided board wipe

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with [[emeria the sky ruin]] think twice before keeping [[reliquary tower]] over a plains because white usually dont have to discard due to hand size

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since there are many flicker eff and [[icewind stalwart]] cost 4 i would consider cutting unless it is part of a combo you want

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[[whisperer angel]] is a lot worse for that

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No card found for “whisperer angel”

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[[wispweaver angel]]

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6 mana for 1 exile, basically half of it went into a 4/4 flyer body

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[[angel of serenity]] dont even flicker

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if you want to keep that as a removal, fine

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can also recur things from grave, but 7 is overcosted for both reanimate and /or removal

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esp when storm of souls at 6 mana that only make tokens is already not doing anything with the commander

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swap [[patchwork banner]] for [[heraldic banner]]

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[[sunscorched desert]] seems to be a niche infinite combo?

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not sure how you pull that one off

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i would add [[palance jailer]]

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going wide makes it easy to block and hard to take the creature back

empty bison
# deft belfry did oyu have myraid landscape

Thank you! I am still adjusting the lands so I appreciate that! I've played several games here at bracket 2 and it seems like the right spot for the deck. It plays suprising well with all if the little pings of damage, constant card draw, and Ishai becomes huge every game. I like the fragility of the deck as it balances out that it's bracket 2.

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"Do you pay the mana1 /mana2 "

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and my secret tech here would be [[planar guide]] if you have a token, then you can flicker the entire board every 4 mana

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off theme but synergistic stuff include [[[[vault 75 middle school]]

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just a powerful onesided removal if you go wide and not tall

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[[aligned hedron network]] same thing but artifact so telecircle can target it

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empty bison
# deft belfry "Do you pay the <:mana1:750431030988636330> /<:mana2:750431030971727952> "

Yeah, for sure. I would LOVE those two cards in the deck. I will try a few games (at Bracket 3) with the 3 game changers just for the hell of it as well. I will tell you that this bracket system is flawed of course, but it finally puts down a rough draft for power levels. Again, I know it's not perfect (I have a few technically bracket 2 decks that need to be played at 3) but after playing games at 2, 3, and 4 all here on spelltable, I see a big difference in cards and play styles. I think it's the beginning of something good.

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My local pod is all over the place. Usually a mix of power levels. The "weakest" player gets left alone, then after the 3 stronger decks beat up on each other, the 4th comes in a sweeps a victory. I highly doubt I can get them to jump on the bracket system, but know I understand why our games are all over the place and I can see it all from a different perspective.

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I am beyond addicted to playing online games now. I was so nervous at first and came to realize we are all meeting each other for the first time.

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It helps so much as my local kitchen table magic games are loosly goosy on the rules. Playing online focuses me to become better and pay attention to everything.

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👌 leaving for the next 8+ hrs

deft belfry
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as much as i want to play online, i dont have anything for that set up

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and if i cant see a card in front of me. its really hard to keep track of triggers too, i would probably need to search things on the computer a lot

empty bison
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[[collector vault]] i find hard to like unless it is something to combo with

noticed Mishra excavation prodigy, that one is also meh (paying mana to not get card advantage is poor card selection)

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the scaling is the bad part

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[[sting the glinting dagger]] is cool and all

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its obviously nice with activated ability
but in this case because it cost mana to tap feldon, it becomes much harder to get the mana for the copy each turn

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[[reckless handling]]

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[[plundering barbarian]] feels too weak

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overcosted sneak attack [[purphoros bronze blooded]] isnt looking too good

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because red's biggest weakness is that card advantage

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having redundancy when there are no card draw engine is going to hurt

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[[deteremined iteration]] has no reprint so its not budget friendly but it is unique in terms of effect and good in red

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[[!Saheeli's Directive]]

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Also storm of souls doesn’t make tokens. The creatures return, just as a 1/1 flyer which I can then blink to return their original stats. Aside from being a thematic choice, Hare Apparent makes a ton of tokens which only get better with each blink. Do you think there’s too many return all creatures that died this turn/exile my stuff until end step? Probably need to take out one or two now that Planar guide is in

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Don’t mind the deck having that fatal flaw. Never played against someone running it and there isn’t a deck with Norn except for one with her as the commander in my group so obviously not playing this against that

deft belfry
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[[storm of souls]]

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oh i misread that hard

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not sure how

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XD

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i even read it right the first time

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but in general i think it is more fun than bad

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meanest thing you can do is flicker it with telep circle with someones commander in exile

deft belfry
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and its either double down on the hares along with [[raise the past]] or take the 3 hares out

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curve still looking good so taking a few from each slot should keep that balance

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i dont like [[banisher priest]] because it is just a worse fiend hunter and give no option of targetting your own stuff

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35 lands with [[temple of the false god]] feels a bit on the low side

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because of the overall low mana cost and repeatable etb synergy, i would drop either [[gerrad's hourglass pendant]] (up to 5 mana open) or the (4 drop) [[lae'zel acrobatics]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/clb/30/laezels-acrobatics

Lae'zel's Acrobatics <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Instant
Exile all nontoken creatures you control, then roll a d20.
1—9 | Return those cards to the battlefield under their owner's control at the beginning of the next end step.
10—20 | Return those cards to the battlefield under their owner's control, then exile them again. Return those cards to the battlefield under their owner's control at the beginning of the next end step.

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@full mural that should give about 5+ cuts

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[[ao draw sky]] is okay, but it can whiff on 10+ things

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https://scryfall.com/card/neo/2/ao-the-dawn-sky

Ao, the Dawn Sky <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Dragon Spirit
Flying, vigilance
When Ao dies, choose one —
• Look at the top seven cards of your library. Put any number of nonland permanent cards with total mana value 4 or less from among them onto the battlefield. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.
• Put two +1/+1 counters on each permanent you control that's a creature or Vehicle.
5/4

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Is hare apparent not worth it? Just need to blink it to make exponential number of tokens

deft belfry
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its one of those that you either play half the deck for it or play like none at all, having less than 10 doesnt really make sense

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that s why [[raise the past]] sets an example of what the 99 would look like

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deft belfry
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i would guess that 75% of the creatures in the deck would work with it

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i think the version without any of that is more interesting and unique

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same card makes game/deck become more monotone

jaunty cipher
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How does this zellix deck look for b3? I kept it down to 2 GCs because im running yawgmoths will.

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Is roaming throne here too much?

deft belfry
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if it is meant for B3, i think roaming throne is a great power house, i will check for synergy and stuff afterward

gleaming storm
jaunty cipher
jaunty cipher
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I would also like to add the soul stone, but I have a feeling it’s going on the GC list the first chance it gets

deft belfry
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nah, mana rocks are just mistakes from wizard that dont really go on the GC list

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they are not going to print things that goes straight into GC so more people will spend on it

deft belfry
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if no one remove your piece, its their fault

jaunty cipher
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Thank you!

deft belfry
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i mean, the one ring didnt come out and immediated on go the GC

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the mill theme i havent tested too much on, maybe there are more to goldfish

deft belfry
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i think it is too dispropositional when you can play terror of the peaks

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if you can afford some backlach, [[pandamonium]] can be a potential add

shrewd zealotBOT
deft belfry
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its symmetrical warstorm surge that cost 2 less

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to completely avoid the drawback, it is possible to save it for the turn winning play or get rid of it yourself

deft belfry
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cards i am looking at and considering: [[delina wild mage]] [[loyal apprentice]] [[ultvara hellkite]][[professional face breaker]][[deter,omed iteration]][[ghired's belligerence]][[life of the party]][[mirror style master]]
[[redoubled stormsinger]][[red sun twilight]][[the fire crystal]][[sandstorm crasher]][[blade of selves]][[gnoll war band]][[goldlist triad]][[flamerush rider]][[firbolg flutist]][[elturel survivors]][[agate instigator]][[den of the bugbear]] [[arena of glory]][[kher keep]][[castle embereth]][[vances blasting cannons]][[ojer axonil deepest might]] [[boltwave]][[irencrag feat]][[goldspan dragon]][[atsushi the blazing sky]] [[twinflame]]

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[[redoubled stormsinger]][[elturel survivors]][[agate instigator]] should be some nice ones

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https://scryfall.com/card/clb/172/elturel-survivors

Elturel Survivors <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Tiefling Peasant
Trample, myriad (Whenever this creature attacks, for each opponent other than defending player, you may create a token copy that's tapped and attacking that player or a planeswalker they control. Exile the tokens at end of combat.)
As long as this creature is attacking, it gets +X/+0, where X is the number of lands defending player controls.
They fought with the desperate courage of those who have nothing left to lose.
0/4

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having 6 copies of those should be doing lethal damage

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how to get to the 9 mana is the trick

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i dont think [[rapacious dragon]] is worth the 5 mana

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esp when goldspan is the same cost for the most part

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instead of [[scourge of valkas]] i may opt for 4 or less cost or just pure burn. combusgearhulk at least has the potential of drawing cards

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but valk is okay

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[[balor]] looks interesting 🤔 but idk about it

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https://scryfall.com/card/clb/162/balor

Balor <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Demon
Flying
Whenever this creature attacks or dies, choose one or more. Each mode must target a different player.
• Target opponent draws three cards, then discards three cards at random.
• Target opponent sacrifices a nontoken artifact of their choice.
• This creature deals damage to target opponent equal to the number of cards in their hand.
5/5

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[[aspiring champion]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/40k/71/aspiring-champion

Aspiring Champion <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Astartes Warrior
Menace
Ruinous Ascension — When this creature deals combat damage to a player, sacrifice it. If you do, reveal cards from the top of your library until you reveal a creature card. Put that card onto the battlefield, then shuffle the rest into your library. If that creature is a Demon, it deals damage equal to its power to each opponent.
3/3

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[[awaken the sky tyrant]] lol

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[[cavern hoard dragon]]

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[[cavalier of flame]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/m20/125/cavalier-of-flame

Cavalier of Flame <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Elemental Knight
mana1manar: Creatures you control get +1/+0 and gain haste until end of turn.
When this creature enters, discard any number of cards, then draw that many cards.
When this creature dies, it deals X damage to each opponent and each planeswalker they control, where X is the number of land cards in your graveyard.
6/5

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i am making this harder XD the clones has too much potential

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[[custody battle]]

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i am on the fence about [[goblin chainwhirler]] because under almost no condition will it create a winning board state from what i can think of

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its an okay creature but it s also not worth making 5 copies of, if it is [[blade of selves]] copy maybe

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its just too much manar resources to do something mediocre

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5 copies burn each for 5, maybe wipe all boards, and swing for 15+ to a vulnerable opponent(s), out of that 120 life total, it would be 30+ dmg

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(20 to one player)

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it can kill but also overcosted

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instead of abrade, i would prefer [[boltwave]] go for the player removal

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because red struggle with card draw, i would go as far as [[breya's apprentice]] to do the [[professional face breaker]] impulse draw

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[[wild wasteland]] but i havent find a creature for that

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[[magmatic insight]]

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this is meh

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[[inti seneschal of the sun]] best creature drawa

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[[fable of mirror breaker]][[lightup the stage]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/neo/141/fable-of-the-mirror-breaker-reflection-of-kiki-jiki

Fable of the Mirror-Breaker <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment — Saga
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter.)
I — Create a 2/2 red Goblin Shaman creature token with "Whenever this token attacks, create a Treasure token."
II — You may discard up to two cards. If you do, draw that many cards.
III — Exile this Saga, then return it to the battlefield transformed under your control.

Reflection of Kiki-Jiki
Enchantment Creature — Goblin Shaman
mana1, manat: Create a token that's a copy of another target nonlegendary creature you control, except it has haste. Sacrifice it at the beginning of the next end step.
Blessed by Keiga, the Tide Star, Kiki-Jiki would one day master the art of duplication.
2/2

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i think ring of rebirth + the infinite mana [[basalt monolith]] is important here

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My pod doesnt do infinites so I haven't looked into those :p

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@gleaming storm i think the deck is definitely in the right direction, the three random creatures i mentioned at the beginning plays off each other as you create more tokens

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I'll be taking a look at your suggestions in a bit

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but if you prefer dragons, it will do fine as is

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the deck is doing a lot of the right things

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big mana, commander untap, find the partner for the kill

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bloodmoon do set the tone for a more high power/salty environment though

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# shrewd zealot https://scryfall.com/card/tdc/37/redoubled-stormsinger

Math on this one, untap with commander and stormsinger, create 5 copies, + original = 6 on board, attack in combat and each trigger 5 times, resolve all = 30 more copies, total number = 35 copies & 1 original, total power = 108

for survivor each one attacking will trigger myriad, 6 attacking any opponent = 6 attacking all opponents, total power = 6 x defending opponent's lands

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rip rabbits

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Appreciate your help tho

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May make it later on

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[[$preston, the vanisher]] if only its not expensive i would try to get one myself for the 99

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will see if it get reprinted in the next 2+ years

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$24 CAD 🤣 😭

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[[collector vault]] everytime i see this card, i have to say it sucks

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maybe able to add synergy somewhere but as of now i hardly see too many cards that looks out of place, most are pretty generic good treasure stuff, curve's low so i can expect to see flooding of mana

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[[shoot the sheriff]] is more on theme but i think [[go for the throat]] is usually more flexible

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but removal is usually the subjective side of the 99

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same cost, same ability, doesnt matter which one you go for

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[[recovery magic]]

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No card found for “recovery magic”

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No card found for “magic recover”

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i favour this over swords to plowshare if its 1 drop, since the commander needs to be alive for all the treasure things to work

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[[blade historian]] may not be necrssary

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it overlaps with [[neyali suns vanguard]] but offers nothing else

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i would probably get something that can be defensive as well

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the 4 pips may affect its consistency a little

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i like playing [[boros charm]]just lot of utility

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even the 4 damage can be relevant

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[[rakdos charm]] likewise

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if you really want the double strike i would go for [[true conviction]] so the life gain helps mitigate some of the damage when there are no blockers

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enchantment adds to it being harder to remove

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i think the deck curve can drop either with the guild signets or having [[reckless fireweaver]]/ [[zulaport cutthroat]]

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[[marionette apprentice]] if you want to do it instant speed

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i try to play [[mayhem devil]] in my deck whenever possible

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since it trigger off opponents stuff too

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[[cyberman patrol]] this one is new to me too and it cost a few buck since its hard to get reprint

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another nice way to protect yourself would be the [[grenzo havoc raiser]] going wide really helps getting through

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[[Arno Dorian]] creature type support i dont see too many

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idk if the flip will make it a lethal strike or not, dont own most ofthe assassin creed cards

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[[Kambal, Profiteering Mayor]] amazing card, little expensive but the $is worth it

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i think its the best in the 99

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without doing the hard math, i doubt there are any clear power level upgrades. sometimes not even worth buying new cards if you dont love the deck enough

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[[Rally the Ancestors]] low cmc supports

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preston is more interesting 🤔

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I mean yeah, but Preston will 100% monopolize time in the game more so than other decks and will make for very salty decisions, at least in my playgroup. That’s the big thing I was hearing and reading about Preston, he’s not exactly a commander you want to see or play against. Another reason why I might not do Preston now is that he’s too similar to Inalla which I already have, just color shifted. Both have an etb effect under certain conditions and also do something with 5 creature of the relevant type. I mean if I could run any of the exile until end of turn cards in Inalla I would. Although Vihaan as a card is similar to another deck I have, Anikthea, both making something a 3/3 and giving your relevant creatures a buff, at least treasures and outlaws will play differently than enchantments and self mill

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[[Vihaan gold waker]]

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if you put it that way, a lot of decks are similar, but you can always add your own touch to makee it unique or special to you

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i think if you have just the minimal amount of treasure synergy and focus on the outlaw part, it would be a completely different deck

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but ethats the tough part, no one knows whats the minmal amount

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Bottom line, Preston plays the same way as another deck I have and is not fun to play against

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yeah you dont need mutliple of the same deck

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i want a green spellslinger deck XD

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nearly no big beaters

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oh nice, thats one i had tried to brew, never find the motivation to finish but i will have some "secret tech" to add, i hope

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so... not a complain but my first respond is that, so many "mana1 " drop in the deck

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all those things are cheap to cast but they dont gain enough value

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going heavily into the voltron route also has all the related issues of major card disadvantage, telegraphic game play/pattern, and not having enough scaling in multiplayer. black white voltron is not unheard of but the damage you have is very low in general

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you dont need to be afraid of "overcosted" spells and there are many cards you can explore, esp since the commander is a 2 drop, than reduce "any spells" you can put in the 99 by mana2

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this is almost as efficient as a T2 sol ring for the rest of the game (assume it always reduce that spell cost, board wipes with no target ofc wont count)

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i think the bestrow part of the deck is a good addition

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enchantress is good too, aura part may be overkilled

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[[curtain call]] at manab is so satisfying 👍

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i would want to up the land count a little, just to not miss land drops too early on

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and allows for later turn "storm off" with multiple aura spells

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[[aspect of gorgon]] is probably a cut for me, [[lunar convocation]] is .. weird, may work but i usually just do the standard [[phyrexian arena]]

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[[mark of the oni]] idk if this one interest you

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it is 1 mana temporary control until this goes away

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not giving haste means that that creature will have summoning sickness as it switch sides

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exalt stuff is nice for voltron if you commit more to that strategy

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will check if [[grim guardian]] is worth it

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too many cards to look through 😅

[[Nighthowler]][[Ajani's Chosen]][[Ashiok's Reaper]][[Loyal Warhound]]
[[Crib Swap]][[Dark Dabbling]][[Stroke of Midnight]][[Apostle's Blessing]]
[[Closing Statement]][[Overkill]][[Slaughter]]Hagra Mauling]]
[[sigil of the empty throne]]
expensive but high power [[Hatred]]
[[V.A.T.S.]][[Restoration Magic]][[Ob Nixilis's Cruelty]] [[massacre girl known killer]]
[[Dismember]][[Razorgrass Ambush]][[Unexplained Absence]]
[[Silverquill Command]][[damn]][[mandate of abaddon]]
[[yawgmoths vile offering]][[three dreams]]
[[parting thoughts]][[dregs of sorrow]]

[[thran power suit]][[wayfarer bauble]][[mask of memory]][[darksteel mutation]][[chain of custody]] [[sheltered by ghost]]
[[sunbirds blessing]][[blessing of leeches]][[edge of the divinity]][[minions return]]
[[inner demon]] my favourite because i like demons
[[twisted embrace]][[idolized]][[gift of immortality]] [[daybreak coronet]] minimus Containment. Rune of Mortality. Kaya's Ghostform . Eye of nidhogg . enslave . scavenged weaponry . Flickerform. Faith Unbroken . parasitic Impetus. . Spectral Steel. Rogue's Passage . access Tunnel . Hall of Heliod's Generosity. War Room . Detection Tower . Plaza of Heroes

Will get back to this mess of cards

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[[Ashiok's Reaper]] i am not too big on this one but i guess draw is important

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where is that other thingy

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expensive but high power [[$Hatred]] probably can rule this one out

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[[lord skitters blessing]][ find it

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[[inner demon]] is one of my favourite because i like demons

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i think i would cut [[twinblade blessing]] unless flash is valued higher, because there are so many of those redundancy

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may cut flying a bit as well

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[[most of the cantrip like [[grisly transformation]] i am whatever

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[[vow of duty]] i dislike

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[[greed]] doesnt belong

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intitial cost too high

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note that in aura deck, spectra ward is almost a nonbo

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because it "doesnt remove aura" but also STOPS more auras from getting put on

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[[sigil of the empty throne]] looked at it multiple times i dont think i see this one, there is a pegasus similar to [[ajani's chosen]]

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[[nighthowler]] bestrow with good scaling

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i think there were 4 doublestrike

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try use the highlight option and type it in the text search

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since a lot of spell hardly cost any mana, you just need to be aware of the sequence of spells you play

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i just find it hard to suggest buying cards you may not end up using especially when a deck is new/ may not play the way you want

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I often end up proxying a deck first and buying it if i end up liking it

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I myself already have 2 storm decks, thus i think sequencing shouldnt be my biggest problem

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i also like the suggestion of massacre girl for card draw

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[[Norman Osborn]] mayhem and villain tribal

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https://scryfall.com/card/spm/39/norman-osborn-green-goblin

Norman Osborn <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Scientist Villain
Norman Osborn can't be blocked.
Whenever Norman Osborn deals combat damage to a player, he connives. (Draw a card, then discard a card. If you discarded a nonland card, put a +1/+1 counter on this creature.)
mana1manaumanabmanar: Transform Norman Osborn. Activate only as a sorcery.
1/1

Green Goblin mana1manaumanabmanar
Legendary Creature — Goblin Human Villain
Flying, menace
Spells you cast from your graveyard cost mana2 less to cast.
Goblin Formula — Each nonland card in your graveyard has mayhem. The mayhem cost is equal to its mana cost. (You may cast a card from your graveyard for its mayhem cost if you discarded it this turn. Timing rules still apply.)
3/3

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much text

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dicard outlet will be as important as a sac outlet in an artistocrat deck, rough estimate around 10ish is enough, but i like to overkill and run close to 15 if possible.
assume 12 cards are discard outlets other than the commander, if it comes out T2, it is unlikely to transform until 2 turns later. on the turn it transform, it will cost enough mana to be hard to make use of the cost reduction effectively. although the discarded card on that attack before transform will still gain mayhem (unlike madness) So a 3 drop discarded + transform 4 mana can be done in the same turn with 5 mana open

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anything with flash back as simple as [[think twice]]

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to a massive 6-7 drop that has grave synergy can be discarded and come out on your turn

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idk if you have room for flash stuff to bypass the mayhem restriction

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I can look into it

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anything that say o:discard for sryfall at a low mana cost is probably do able

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even if it discard multiple cards at once

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can also reference [[captain howler, scourge]]

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[[thran vigil]] can be a subtheme if paired with reanimate/ [[araumi of the dead tide]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/267/araumi-of-the-dead-tide

Araumi of the Dead Tide <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Merfolk Wizard
manat, Exile cards from your graveyard equal to the number of opponents you have: Target creature card in your graveyard gains encore until end of turn. The encore cost is equal to its mana cost. (Exile the creature card and pay its mana cost: For each opponent, create a token copy that attacks that opponent this turn if able. They gain haste. Sacrifice them at the beginning of the next end step. Activate only as a sorcery.)
1/4

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[[marchesa the black rose]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/248/marchesa-the-black-rose

Marchesa, the Black Rose <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
Dethrone (Whenever this creature attacks the player with the most life or tied for most life, put a +1/+1 counter on it.)
Other creatures you control have dethrone.
Whenever a creature you control with a +1/+1 counter on it dies, return that card to the battlefield under your control at the beginning of the next end step.
3/3

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those three are commanders i really liked brewing and playing

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[[!green goblin]]

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i do have a question on some of the new double sided cards. Do they allow you to CAST the backside and skip the transform entirely

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because that would speed things up a lot

magic drift
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oh wow, then casting the back is probably the ideal game plan most of the time

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hyper focus on the discard into grave-setup and cheat things from the dead. grave things like [[anger]] are the auto include

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first 3 turns try to get the discard engine online

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[[tormenting nightmare]] is both an engine and a recur/save a thing from exile grave protection

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No card found for “tormenting nightmare”

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[[torturing existence]] i mean, completely mixed up the names

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otherwise, tons of free discard effs

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land/enchantment > artifact > instant/creature > sorcery /planeswalker ... i guess a battle can discard too (my rating from best-to-worst discard outlet)

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[[bitter triumph]]

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add in madness cards in case commander is gone? if discarded card is an instant, then it is possible to mayhem it as well

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if budget allows, the bird that conniv indefinitely and/or [[faerie mastermind]]

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[[homunculus horde]] & [[psychic orrosion]] can be considered

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manau just cares about drawing in general

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the most "Solid" part of green goblin is actually how hard it is to block it

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if that power goes up, it is going to stack the commander damage really fast

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[[tarrian's soulcleaver]]

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grixis may not have [[hardened scale]], but that doesnt mean there arent hundreds of other ways to do lethal combat dmg

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[[silver shroud costume]] [[mithril coat]] to make it somewhat of a voltron commander

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thought of this one too [[smoke bomb]]

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[[blood clock]] and you can reuse it

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[[umbilicus]] same card diff name i like to run with [[bojuka bog]] etc

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also MDFC, but they are double edge swords for that reason, MDFC abuse those bounce

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find this jank [[sol kanar the swamp king]]

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while it is easy to put powerful cards with mana2 cost + cantrip, i think having various random pieces would be more fun

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[[seize the spotlight]] would be one of those good stuff

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[[faithless looting]] low cost is okay

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[[zombie infestation]] is the best one i can remember

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[[hashaton scrab fist]] will probably have lot of inspiration as well

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i have some cards in the considering section that i would love to include, but don't know what i should cut from the deck if went to include them

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forgot the name of this card at the time [[ghoulish impetus]] , as for the change of aura, i think it would depends on the curve

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but in general, expensive mana cost is playable when all your spells gets - mana2

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i think lot of the fun lies in; how to find the most interesting and subjectively fun removal/buff in the game

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in my version, i have many instants so i can almost do a spellslinger build

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still a WIP tho

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i like the idea of spreading my spells on multiple targets so i do end up losing it all to a 1 for 1 target removal; in this case, potentially 1 for 5

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[[with great power]] spidey cards looking weird XD

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[comes great sacrifice]]

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in general, i play [[warroom]] before i go for [[castle locthwain]]

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both/ either are options too

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i think i would actually look for more lands, even at 2 mana curve, i want to make sure in the worst case, i can replay the commander with tax

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i wonder if i can find a 3 drop draw engine, in case mangara is too high of a cost at 4

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i remember a few white version of phyrexian arena

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overall the auras are really good in here, 1 drop for lot of value

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[[mammoth umbra]] mixed feelings on this one

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3 mana for +3 vig, one time indestructible