#Need help cutting card in my Evelyn the Covetous deck

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warped flare
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back then arena of glory wasnt out, and now its too expensive for my taste

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sneak attack isnt exactly a weak version

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[[goro goro satoru]]

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novel bramble
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I didnt say I was building a weak deck. I said I was building the weakest version.

warped flare
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this gives haste! i lowkey forgot that part

novel bramble
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I think aristocrats is the best one

warped flare
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i only remember OG goro goro

novel bramble
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Yeah I like these dudes. Haste and 5/5 Dragons

warped flare
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played against this grixis gorogoro once irl

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or twice

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yeah "free" 5/5s

novel bramble
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New player at my LGS plays this deck often. The Dragons are scary

warped flare
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i think the nature of [[$sneak attack]] just makes everything go super strong

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warped flare
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uncivil is also going to be a power house, my win con back then were

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[[warstorm surge]] [[flayer of hatebound]]

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warped flare
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but 6 mana is A LOT

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6 mana was also the comfortable spot for the deck

novel bramble
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Flayer is in, but Terror of the Peak is also in

warped flare
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4 to cast marchesa, and have ways to give the +1 counter, something to sac/protection

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and then following turn 3 & 3 is easy to work with

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terror of peak gg game over

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😒

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D: [[glen elendra archmage]]

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warped flare
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i doubt you need solemn simulacrum in this build. high cost, full on aggresive all out attack mode

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who needs blockers

novel bramble
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Probably not

warped flare
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as much as i like [[military intelligent]] i think its janky

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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you love your draw though so who knows

novel bramble
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But solemn can be constantly sacced every turn

warped flare
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when a deck has like sneak attack, terror of the peak

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those raw damage kinda ignores going for the long value game

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terror is just broken in general, i think my final marchesa was cloning. if i clone multiple terror, the game ends in like then 2 turns whatever i pop out

novel bramble
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I guess. I just made a list

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This deck might need more boardwipes though, since I'm pretty much immune to them

warped flare
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ideally, you can play without marchesa, and if she is coming out, better have a way to give her a counter and send to grave

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yeah, as long as you are not up against farewell

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you can toxic deludge yourself

novel bramble
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Haste can do that, and I still play a couple counterspells

warped flare
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control life point is really nice with dethrone

novel bramble
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Farewell is also a GC now and already not super popular at my LGS

warped flare
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its like that boys using a towel to wipe meme

novel bramble
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[[Unspeakable Symbol]] is back lol

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warped flare
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"this side wipes face, this end wipes balls. tomorrow the towel forgets"

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"Who has the lowest life total, i will attack the one with the highest life total" 'B-bbut the Marchesa player paid like 25 life! pts!!"

novel bramble
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The nail that sticks out get hammered

warped flare
novel bramble
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blind O?

warped flare
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obedient

novel bramble
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True, I need some good removal for that

warped flare
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i played before black has decent enchantment removals, the only non blue option was like liquimetal and chaos warp

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ooh btw i got a promo pack and this was in it

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[[anticausal vestiage]]

zealous ridgeBOT
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Creature — Eldrazi
When this creature leaves the battlefield, draw a card, then you may put a permanent card with mana value less than or equal to the number of lands you control from your hand onto the battlefield tapped.
Warp mana4 (You may cast this card from your hand for its warp cost. Exile this creature at the beginning of the next end step, then you may cast it from exile on a later turn.)
7/5

warped flare
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finally got one, i like this pull

novel bramble
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Nice

warped flare
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my new sad golem upgrade even tho i dont really run it in any decks rn

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trying to make a fun superfriends deck with [[mila crafty compan]]

zealous ridgeBOT
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Legendary Creature — Fox
Whenever an opponent attacks one or more planeswalkers you control, put a loyalty counter on each planeswalker you control.
Whenever a permanent you control becomes the target of a spell or ability an opponent controls, you may draw a card.
2/3

Lukka, Wayward Bonder mana4manarmanar
Legendary Planeswalker — Lukka
+1: You may discard a card. If you do, draw a card. If a creature card was discarded this way, draw two cards instead.
−2: Return target creature card from your graveyard to the battlefield. It gains haste. Exile it at the beginning of your next upkeep.
−7: You get an emblem with "Whenever a creature you control enters, it deals damage equal to its power to any target."
Loyalty: 5

warped flare
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but super friends is generally not fun so thats the challenge

novel bramble
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There's actually very few enchantment removal in Grixis. Surprising

warped flare
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counterspell is technically universal removals

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blue bounce is the most consistent

novel bramble
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Yeah, assuming I have one and mana open

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I mihgt just go Feed the swarm and Withering Torment then

warped flare
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thats why i struggle against enchantment as a rakdos player

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enchantment type is in itself unfair advantage in commander against all non white decks

novel bramble
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I mean its not super common either

warped flare
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XD i have or known someone with a 99% enchantment (for all non lands) decks

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he is a nice but the power of some of if not most of those decks and the pricey stuff are gross

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my LGS had some of those gross things depends on the table and player match up

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havent done that for a couple years now

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and most of us dislike the anticlimatic winning out of the blue combos

novel bramble
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I have a mystical archive Feed the Swarm so I'll just put this one. it helps lowering my life anyway

warped flare
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true

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[[wither torment]] the instant verison

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warped flare
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i assume you want both

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based on your current list

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i think there arent that many red creatures that you want to sac for [[flare of dupl]]

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novel bramble
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This art is also super nice

warped flare
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its a nice sac outlet forsure if it works out

novel bramble
warped flare
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oh lol took me a while to read the text to know its feed the swarm

novel bramble
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Commander is right there lol

warped flare
novel bramble
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But anyway, I added the flares by default, they all fit

warped flare
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i am just not doing the math at all until its somewhat close to 100 cards

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because unlike green and black flares, red and blue need something on stack

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red specifically target instant sorcery

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so even tho they can all be free

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having a target ontop of the sac is what makes it more conditional

novel bramble
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Its also a good Swords to Plowshare dodger

warped flare
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i have more than enough games where i get stuck with [[reverbate]] in hand and no decent target

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novel bramble
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Copy the effect, swords something else

warped flare
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just my luck i guess

novel bramble
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[[Return the favor]] won me a game

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warped flare
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and with double boots for cannot be targetted, i feel like that level of protection is redundant

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that one is different

novel bramble
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Boots are for the haste

warped flare
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becoz it isnt niche

novel bramble
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once haste is given to creature it goes unto another one lol

warped flare
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it can pick activated ability trigger ability

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and redirect ability

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spell, instant sorcery

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are the niche condition at times

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also, in my case i didnt have blue

novel bramble
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Niche condition but free spells nonetheless

warped flare
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so i dont have another spell to cast with my open mana

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i stole a kicked [[rite of duplication]] and won after doing nothing all game

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warped flare
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with dual castermage

novel bramble
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Also, copy the opponent big spells, or ramp spell also work

warped flare
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the same night i copied the same win con with [[Wandering archaic]]

zealous ridgeBOT
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Creature — Avatar
Whenever an opponent casts an instant or sorcery spell, they may pay mana2. If they don't, you may copy that spell. You may choose new targets for the copy.
"Fly the path of nine birds."
4/4

Explore the Vastlands mana3
Sorcery
Each player looks at the top five cards of their library and may reveal a land card and/or an instant or sorcery card from among them. Each player puts the cards they revealed this way into their hand and the rest on the bottom of their library in a random order. Each player gains 3 life.

warped flare
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so that same guy lost to his own win con the same way twice that night

novel bramble
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thats his problem casting a spell with wandering on board

warped flare
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i think he wasnt expecting me to be able to steal it, but i did something else to be able to

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probably like destroyed the hexproof thing or sth idr

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but the point was that dualcaster copy was doing nothing every game until a very niche situation happened

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so as much as i love red copies and mess with the order of the stack

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i have to admit they arent rarely as good as expected

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not to the point of jank but meta dependent

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best bet is to copy your own spell, and if that count in the 99 is low... the chance decreases

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if your LGS is like 50% interactions

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then your chance is much better than mine

novel bramble
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Depends on the player

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Skill levels are quite varied

warped flare
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and if a deck is running close to 20 spot removals, boardwipes are more efficient, if they are doing over 13 wipes, stax is more consistent

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i think my most removal was like etb in simic and i have up to 25 ways to remove target problem

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thats not counting the commander [[volo guide to monster]] doubling/tripling my copies

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warped flare
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but it didnt really have boardwipes

novel bramble
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I think every deck should run at least 10 removal pieces, although I havent followed that rule for every deck

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sometimes its hard to cut "The main plan" to add interaction

warped flare
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i think my lowest removal was like 5 in the 99 XD somehow still winning

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no flashback just single use 5 removes pieces

novel bramble
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My lowest is def in my Toph deck. Its so hard to cut anything

warped flare
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marchesa one of the less janky creature i had was chupacarba

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so etb destroy target on repeat if looped

novel bramble
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On yeah, maybe

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Chupa might be ok there

warped flare
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but it was just because 4 mana was my sweet spot and its a card i already own

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i think there are lowkey better stuff now

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with proxy no budget you can probably do close to reserve list stuff

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exchange control is also broken good on etb

novel bramble
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What about [[Noxious Gearhulk]]... 6 mana too much right?

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warped flare
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if you sneak attack it wont matter, i think this one is worth it because at some point your life total will be too low?

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i didnt have anything crazy so i just did lazy win con gary merchant

novel bramble
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Yeah. Might need to find space for Demonic Tutor and co then.

warped flare
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in your case i think you dont need gearhulk since you also have the wurm

novel bramble
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Sneak attack wil def. power up the end game

warped flare
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this looks so wrong lol

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some of those doesnt belong in the same power level

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free exile, free redirect, almost free counterspell

novel bramble
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Refresh lol, I removed Slip and the Mana drain wannabe

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tragic slip*

warped flare
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ooh cool i didnt look at the spoiler to know about [[$mana sculpt]]

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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balanced mana drain i want to try that maybe

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rip and you already took it out

novel bramble
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I wanted too but its hard to keep 3 mana open with this deck

warped flare
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let me just scrape off those tossed away cards under your desk and build my free deck with them

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yeah, for another wizard deck

novel bramble
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I had the idea of doing Wizard tribal too

warped flare
novel bramble
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buuut one guys already has one so meh

warped flare
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but you can do non wizard commander wizard tribal

novel bramble
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I like tragic slip, but I need cuts lol

warped flare
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changeling tribal

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everything tribal

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5 colour mono colour tribal

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and no existing decklist

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so it has to be like 80% original

novel bramble
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Some people enjoy pissing against the wind

warped flare
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ah wurm coil thats the name i was thinking off, i think with wurm you dont really need gearhulk

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i think you will end up with close to 30ish creatures

novel bramble
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Probably

warped flare
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[[!nighthawk scavenger]] good all around, but you really dont need the lifelinker power thingy

novel bramble
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Just need to tag my stuff and see whats sticking out

warped flare
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or that, tagging

warped flare
novel bramble
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Nighthawk is by default in every draft I do with black

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Its a good pillowfort

warped flare
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anyways the theme of this marchesa deck

novel bramble
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Ends up getting cut most of the time

warped flare
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kek

novel bramble
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[[Madame null]] is a big one tho

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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if your card pool density isnt so high i would be able to keep nighthawk, but its basically jank in your book

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yeah as long as you want to play your beloved spooderman cards

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its amazing

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lowkey wish it is mandatory just to make it slightly bad with a real downside

novel bramble
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Question; If I have madame null and cast [[Big mother mouser]], can I stack the effects so that I can pay 4 life and add 4 more +1 counters on it?

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warped flare
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its an attack trigger

novel bramble
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2****

warped flare
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it enters WITH

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clone "step"

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it has those counters before it hits the field

novel bramble
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So yes then.

warped flare
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so the game sees it as a 2/2 instead of 0/0 and doesnt die to statebase action

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yes

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i think the only real confusion would be

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[[enduring courage]]

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warped flare
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madame null sees that etb power buff

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boost

novel bramble
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Oooh.

warped flare
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it looks like it checks on resolve

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double checking

novel bramble
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its a NINJA TURTLE CARD BY THE WAY

warped flare
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looks right

novel bramble
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Anyway, gtg to bed. ttyl. Thx for the help

warped flare
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oh right its turtles

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we cool then

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🥷

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i think i did see spooderman tho somewhere

novel bramble
warped flare
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have a good night

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must have card it say +1 counter on it

novel bramble
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Few tech that looked fine: [[Rottenmouth Viper]] could be nice, with all the haste-enabling I have it can potentially trigger 3 times on the turn it comes out.

zealous ridgeBOT
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Creature — Elemental Snake
As an additional cost to cast this spell, you may sacrifice any number of nonland permanents. This spell costs mana1 less to cast for each permanent sacrificed this way.
Whenever this creature enters or attacks, put a blight counter on it. Then for each blight counter on it, each opponent loses 4 life unless that player sacrifices a nonland permanent of their choice or discards a card.
6/6

novel bramble
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[[Rankle master of prank]] is also pretty good since he can sac himself every turn

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warped flare
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not as bad as toxiro but i remember a game where it was just getting reanimated non stop and the table sort of chasing after it

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each opponent loses 4 life unless that player sacrifices a nonland permanent of their choice or discards a card. the part that matters

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repeatable

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burn, or resources denial

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so it puts a clock on everyone's head

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so power/play pattern aside

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the burn can potentially become a nonbo with dethrone

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i would say its a finisher rather than something you want out as early as possible

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and its like "if you are going to win, make it quick and not drag it out"

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rankle flying matters a lot so i like that edict. build in haste too if played on curve with nothing else

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and whenever there is this "group hug/symmetrical" effect, people tends to let it happen a little bit more

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and not spend removal on it until it becomes a problem

warped flare
novel bramble
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Goddamn ugly

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I like deadpool but this is too much

novel bramble
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Ill try the [[Emeritus of woe]] [[Emeritus of ideation]]

zealous ridgeBOT
novel bramble
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I might cut the low ramp and add back Sad robot and [[Scampering Surveyor]] instead for ramp

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novel bramble
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since I can loop them

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Also, learning the mechanics of Marchesa I realise that [[Flayer of the Hatebound]] is a lot stronger than Terror of the peak

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novel bramble
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Its 9 damage per player turn with a sac outlet. This is insane

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I also checked a couple of creatures that comes in with counters and [[Threefold Thunderhulk]] stuck out as a good source of blockers

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novel bramble
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Its a lot of mana though, but it reccur itself

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Theres a lot of good "If that card last an entire round you are in deep shit" cards with Marchesa

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Hm, [[Big mother Mouser]] is a lot easier to make work

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warped flare
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warped flare
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but most of the time, a sorcery speed tutor with that much mana means you just need to find the right card and isnt going to be doing too much with it unless you know what is coming on the following turn

novel bramble
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The body itself isnt bad though; 5/4 for 4 mana

warped flare
novel bramble
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technically 6/5 with dethrone

warped flare
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yeah those are all big stats on what used to be the most broken spells

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its not as full value as adventure spells

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but you are getting more power up version on both ends

novel bramble
warped flare
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you are using scampering surveyor?

novel bramble
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I have them both so its fine to test anyway

warped flare
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i never like how slow that is

novel bramble
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Its loopable which is why I like it, although its hard to do

warped flare
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meh

novel bramble
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but ramping every turn is still good value

warped flare
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value on loop can be fun

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but they are only good for setting up for the next turn

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sometimes there are no next turn

warped flare
novel bramble
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Doesnt trigger on itself

warped flare
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i think from 5 to 6 mana is usually that turning point

novel bramble
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I plan to have both anywya

warped flare
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it dependso n how many +1 counters goes on your reanimated stuff

novel bramble
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But Flayer is def. not getting cut now

warped flare
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well i didnt think you were trying to cut flayer

novel bramble
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I dont have a ton of counters engine that can put counters automatically on stuff as they enter

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but I have a couple still

warped flare
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you are going to run out of life so fast with madame XD

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oh and i think for flayer/etb burn equals to power

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those doesnt see the new power

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UNLESS that creature leaves before the trigger resolves

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[[terror of the peak]]

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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[[?terror of the peak]]

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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this one sees when it resolve

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[[?flayer hatebound]]

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2011-01-22

Flayer of the Hatebound's last ability will trigger even if a creature enters from your graveyard under another player's control.

2011-01-22

The creature that entered from your graveyard deals damage equal to its current power (including any +1/+1 counters it entered with) to the target permanent or player. If it's no longer on the battlefield when the ability resolves, its last known existence on the battlefield is checked to determine its power.

2011-01-22

Flayer of the Hatebound is the source of the ability, but it may be another creature that is the source of the damage. If a black creature enters from your graveyard, the ability could target a creature with protection from black, although the damage will be prevented. It couldn't target a creature with protection from red.

2011-01-22

Since damage is dealt by the creature, abilities like lifelink and deathtouch are taken into account, even if the creature has left the battlefield by the time it deals damage.

2011-01-22

If you cast a creature card from your graveyard, that card will be put on the stack before entering. Flayer of the Hatebound won't trigger.

warped flare
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The creature that entered from your graveyard deals damage equal to its current power (including any +1/+1 counters it entered with)

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this is the biggest difference

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so 3 power enters, the trigger is set to 3 damage, even if the power got buffed is how i understands it

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if you pump power, that doesnt change, but if its higher power, then it leaves (sac etc) then that power will change and deal more

novel bramble
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weird

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Oh wait

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It works with Madame null then

warped flare
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sort of

novel bramble
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But I have to sac him before his effect procs

warped flare
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madame change power AFTER enters

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yah so it may end up with no +1 counters

novel bramble
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ok

warped flare
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i mean HAVE +1 counters

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i looked this up a while back because i wanted to check for deathtouch damage in the middle of a trigger

novel bramble
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Lets play it out just to be sure: I have Madame null and a sac outlet on the field

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I cast Flayer, I don't pay for Madame.

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I sac Flayer, Undying triggers, Flayer tries to come back on the board with a +1 counter

warped flare
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sac flayer, flayer udying trigger, comes back, damage on etb, stack madame on top, damage unchanged

novel bramble
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Ok, madame doesnt work with Flayer then.

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But I could pay 5 life and have it enter as a 10 power creature tho?

warped flare
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after stack madame, before flayer damage resolves, sac flayer again, damage now checks for the new power before it leaves

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where terror would see the final regardless

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terror double dips since its on ALL etb

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it will be etb finisher each time

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[[!dagger caster]] this is the interaction i learnt because if i can give it deathtouch at instant speed in respond to the etb burn

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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nothing changes

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but if i let the deathtouch instant resolve, AND THEN sac it, then the trigger on the stack will see that the creature had deathtouch

novel bramble
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Terror sees 10 power or 5 when Flayer comes back?

warped flare
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[[?terror of the peak]]

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novel bramble
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Oh yeah I need to sac it again

warped flare
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no

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as the trigger ability resolve

warped flare
novel bramble
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If I dont sac him with Terror on the stack, it does 5 damage, but if I do, it would do 10?

warped flare
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2011-01-22 The creature that entered from your graveyard deals damage equal to its current power (including any +1/+1 counters it entered with) to the target permanent or player. If it's no longer on the battlefield when the ability resolves, its last known existence on the battlefield is checked to determine its power.

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with terror always full damage

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no need to sac

novel bramble
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Even with Madame?

warped flare
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frayer checks on the moment of the creature entering

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terror checks on the moment the ability resolves

novel bramble
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Damn, why though

warped flare
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because terror is broken

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[[$terror of the peak]]

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novel bramble
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It reads the same way

warped flare
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i would lowkey feel bad to do it even in B3 because of the potential burn and instant win out of it, but its a fun achievement

novel bramble
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Because enters the battlefield and enters from your graveyard isnt the same timing-wise?

warped flare
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until it becomes an instant win button

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no, entering is the same

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[[terror of the peak]][[flayer of hatebound]]

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warped flare
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its just the source of the damage

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terror is the source

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it checks a creature entering and checks for the power of the thing

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flayer is the source of the ability, but the creature is the source of the damage

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it puts an ability on the stack for that entered creature to do damage

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so flayer predetermine that amount of damage aka the power when it enters

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terror just looks for the amount of damage to deal as the ability resolves

novel bramble
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Why would he predetermine

warped flare
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as least thats the difference i can understand

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rule say so,

novel bramble
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if his trigger only get on the stack when a creature enters from grave

warped flare
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the way they put a trigger on the stack are differernt

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[[$flayer of the hatebound]]

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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devils are meant to be bad, dragons good $$$$

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in the end you just need to know the difference i guess

novel bramble
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I mean Terror's trigger is a lot easier to trigger too

warped flare
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exactly

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terror + mass reanimate is very gross too

novel bramble
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I understand how they work, but I don't understand why they work that way. Terror makes 100% sense to me, but Flayer doesnt

warped flare
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or a flicker deck

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yeah, its hard to understand. idk if my understand is correct but thats sort of how i see it

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if something enters directly from grave to battlefield

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etb trigger

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that part isnt any different from peak

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but because the source of the ability and the source of the damage arent the same

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when an ability goes on the stack, it seems to take note of a number

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of how much is going to be dealt

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in this case, its that entered creatures power

novel bramble
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Just to make sure, if Flayer and multiple other creatures ETB from grave at the same time, he will trigger for each of them right?

warped flare
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and the flayer's ability resolve allows that entered creature (with any ability) to do the damage

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yep

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that s the easy way and ignore all the mess

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and because the game looks for last known information if something is no longer there

novel bramble
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Yeah, all in all when he arrive I probably win right there and then

warped flare
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if that creature tries to deal damage but isnt on the board

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it will check and correct to it's new power

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and deal damage equal to that power

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then flayer allows for the full damage to happen dispite increasing its power

novel bramble
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Are the rules different when its Flayer triggering himself and another creature triggering him?

warped flare
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what do you mean

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it should be the same

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as long as flayer triggers

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the damage is the power of the creature that enters

novel bramble
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When he ETB from his Undying ability, he deals 5 damage, no?

warped flare
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Yes Undying (When this creature dies, if it had no +1/+1 counters on it, return it to the battlefield under its owner's control with a +1/+1 counter on it.)

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Enters with +1 counter on it

novel bramble
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But madame null wouldn't work on making him deal 10 damage, correct?

warped flare
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so it is like [[glorious anthem]]

zealous ridgeBOT
novel bramble
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since he needs to have entered

warped flare
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it fixes the power before it sees the battlefield/is seen on board

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yeah madame cant increase that damage unless you have another way of removing flayer

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after the power increase

novel bramble
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So if I buff with with madame null, and sac him while his effect is still on the stack... He does 10 damage?

warped flare
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and thats why i love my weird commander interactions and i consider this to be the easier ones i have done XD

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yes that

novel bramble
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Ok, I'm starting to see.

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Weird dude.

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Reading the card doesnt explains it this time

warped flare
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and i remember that he was in the 2019 precon with like madness cast from grave stuff

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most people didnt know about that casting from grave

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will enter the stack before enter the field

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so its not actually a reanimate directly from grave to field

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even though that rule is under flayer

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and edhrec had an eps that pointed out that number % being too high

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but it was also in the precon

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it was the my first cut the moment i got that precon, but i hardly played it because i didnt like anje's value play

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i am red-deck-win philosophy, i am here to burn my hand, not churn through my deck and draw for value

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i wonder how good is anje combo in Cedh nowadays, its too obvious and i think it has consistency issues on top of boring play pattern?

novel bramble
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No clue, dont like cedh dont like combo

warped flare
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i am trying to figure this one out

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may have to ask ruling channel to be sure cause i got mixed answers

novel bramble
warped flare
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no respond i think i will try. the one in this server

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actually someone said something

novel bramble
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You gotta wait a couple minutes yeah

warped flare
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[[Mirror of life trapping]] [[?mirror of life trapping]]

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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is the guest number completely random

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i happened to be guest 69

novel bramble
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No clue

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Quick question: [[Danny pink]] doesnt work on effects that enters WITH +1 counters right?

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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it sees it

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danny is broken good it see everything

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[[?danny pink]]

zealous ridgeBOT
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2023-10-13

Mentor compares the power of the creature with mentor with that of the target creature at two different times: once as the triggered ability is put onto the stack, and once as the triggered ability resolves. If you wish to raise a creature's power so its mentor ability can target a bigger creature, the last chance you have to do so is during the beginning of combat step.

2023-10-13

If the target creature's power is no longer less than the attacking creature's power as the ability resolves, mentor doesn't add a +1/+1 counter. For example, if two 3/3 creatures with mentor attack and both mentor triggers target the same 2/2 creature, the first to resolve puts a +1/+1 counter on it and the second does nothing.

2023-10-13

If the creature with mentor leaves the battlefield with the mentor ability on the stack, use its power as that creature last existed on the battlefield to determine whether the target creature has lesser power.

warped flare
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hmmmm [[pir rascal imagin]]

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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[[?pir rascal imagin]]

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2018-06-08

If a permanent your team controls would enter the battlefield with one or more counters of any kind on it, it enters with that many plus one instead.

2018-06-08

If an effect includes multiple instructions to put one or more counters on a permanent, such as Lifecrafter's Gift does, Pir's effect applies to each of those instructions.

2018-06-08

Pir's effect can't apply to itself as it's entering the battlefield or to any other permanent entering the battlefield at the same time as it.

2018-06-08

"Partner with [name]" represents two abilities. The first is a triggered ability: "When this permanent enters the battlefield, target player may search their library for a card named [name], reveal it, put it into their hand, then shuffle their library."

2018-06-08

Note that the target player searches their library (which may be affected by effects such as that of Stranglehold) and that the card they find is revealed, even though these words aren't included in the ability's reminder text.

2018-06-08

The second ability represented by the "partner with [name]" keyword modifies the rules for deck construction in the Commander variant and has no function outside of that variant. If a legendary creature card with "partner with [name]" is designated as your commander, the named legendary creature card can also be designated as your commander. For more information on the Commander variant, please visit Wizards.com/Commander.

2018-06-08

If your Commander deck has two commanders, you can only include cards whose own color identities are also found in your commanders' combined color identities. If Khorvath and Sylvia are your commanders, your deck may contain cards with red and/or white in their color identity, but not blue, black, or green.

2018-06-08

Both commanders start in the command zone, and the remaining 98 cards of your deck are shuffled to become your library.

More Rulings

There are too many rulings for this card to post, please see https://scryfall.com/card/bbd/11/pir-imaginative-rascal#%23rulings

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nope not on this card

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i forgot the command for rules

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122.6 Some spells and abilities refer to counters being put on an object. This refers to putting counters on that object while it’s on the battlefield and also to an object that’s given counters as it enters the battlefield.

122.6a If an object enters the battlefield with counters on it, the effect causing the object to be given counters may specify which player puts those counters on it. If the effect doesn’t specify a player, the object’s controller puts those counters on it.

warped flare
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[[?fathom mage]]

zealous ridgeBOT
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2013-01-24

If Fathom Mage enters with a +1/+1 counter on it (perhaps due to Master Biomancer), its last ability will trigger once for each +1/+1 counter it entered with.

2013-01-24

Fathom Mage's last ability will trigger whenever any +1/+1 counter is placed on it, not just ones due to the evolve ability.

2013-01-24

If multiple +1/+1 counters are placed on Fathom Mage simultaneously, its last ability will trigger once for each of those counters.

warped flare
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[[danny pink]] side by side comparison

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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so the downside here is that its a 4 drop

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but a 4/3 body is solid

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[[?danny pink]] i dont think i will pick one up any time soon

zealous ridgeBOT
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2023-10-13

Mentor compares the power of the creature with mentor with that of the target creature at two different times: once as the triggered ability is put onto the stack, and once as the triggered ability resolves. If you wish to raise a creature's power so its mentor ability can target a bigger creature, the last chance you have to do so is during the beginning of combat step.

2023-10-13

If the target creature's power is no longer less than the attacking creature's power as the ability resolves, mentor doesn't add a +1/+1 counter. For example, if two 3/3 creatures with mentor attack and both mentor triggers target the same 2/2 creature, the first to resolve puts a +1/+1 counter on it and the second does nothing.

2023-10-13

If the creature with mentor leaves the battlefield with the mentor ability on the stack, use its power as that creature last existed on the battlefield to determine whether the target creature has lesser power.

warped flare
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"enters with" will cause "whenever happens" to trigger

novel bramble
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Thats pretty strong

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Technically, with [[Scorn-Blade berserker]]

zealous ridgeBOT
novel bramble
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I could pay the 1 to sac scorn, draw, it comes back at end of turn, draw again with Danny

warped flare
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yeah that one is okay but its until end of turn

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and if you give the counter away it cannot reaniamte itself

novel bramble
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Well I can put the +1 on itself

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I pay the 1, it dies

warped flare
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the ideal sac is probably with cauldron and everything can self sac

novel bramble
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comes back, put the counter on itself again, pay the 1, etc

warped flare
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yeah but forced to put it on itself each time

novel bramble
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Its a draw 1 every player turn. Good enough in my book

warped flare
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i think its okay because its a 1 drop

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and thats the other thing about sad golem

novel bramble
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Can also help as a form of sac outlet

warped flare
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you will end up with too many 4 drops

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game had too many good cards

novel bramble
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Yeah its hard to cut good cards

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Look at lands yeah its very hard to cut good cards

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Look at interaction

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How does backup interact with Madame Null?

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[[Voldaren Thrillseeker]]

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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madame is easy

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it 's trigger, resolve, when you do

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it has no cost

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just you make that decision at the last possible moment whenever you want to put counters/lose life

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[[?madame null]]

zealous ridgeBOT
novel bramble
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Ok, so it would be pay 3 life its now a 6/6

warped flare
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if forsome reason you want to lose life and no get counters

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i guess you can do that too

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or if you are going to sac it but want to increase power

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you can backup resolve last and use madame for just 1 life 1 counter

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you can manipulate your life total and power this way

novel bramble
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Yeah ok. I could loop it and buff something else too

warped flare
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you want all opponents to have equal life point and yourself with at least 1 lower

novel bramble
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In the best of worlds yeah

warped flare
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so detrone can trigger no matter where you go

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the incentive to attack "for value"

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but in reality you are just a monster trying to kill for thrill and surpress your homocidal urge

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sorry if thats too close to home

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dont hurt me

novel bramble
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"I'm full swinging at you because I don't have a choice man I swear"

warped flare
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[[spectacular showdown]]]

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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i actually made this mistake before

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the trick is to play it post combat

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and not goad yourself if you dont have to

novel bramble
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Why wouldnt I tho

warped flare
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you can get double strike and swing out for double strike combat triggers?

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but in return

novel bramble
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But I'm trying to not play repetitive cards between the Marchesa decks

warped flare
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if you overkill the table

novel bramble
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and by repetitive I mean Queen Marchesa is the Goad all deck

warped flare
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you will lose that "pillowfort" player in front of yourself

novel bramble
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Yeah

warped flare
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i basically killed the other player and ended up getting goaded creatures with double strike coming at me

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because i go into combat with all those buffed up stuff

novel bramble
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But only in a 1v1v1 scenario

warped flare
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i killed around 2 of them

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i overkilled a lot

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like 1.5 ish

novel bramble
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Shouldve killed only one though thats on you

warped flare
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i had too much damage

novel bramble
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?

warped flare
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they spread

novel bramble
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Collateral or combat?

warped flare
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like burn as well

novel bramble
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ok

warped flare
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my games are messed up

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quite many new players that i only see once

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they are naive to the game

novel bramble
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Yeah I almost feel bad not paying much attention to what they're doing while I focus on the good player

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Threat evaluation and how to be aggressive is hard

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I understand the feeling of not wanting to attack with too many creatures "just in case I need to block"

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but its always the right play to attack the player with no blockers because he's building his lego set

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I'm still unsure why people don't 100% focus the solring T1

warped flare
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social side of commander is not that logical

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and there is ... lot of autistic people that cant read the room

novel bramble
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XD

warped flare
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99% of those i see have at least proximity-able hygeine

novel bramble
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I've been lucky on that front. 2 people had bad BO so far

warped flare
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i guess if i counted smokers there would be more

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theres also the foot spasm-er

novel bramble
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At the same time I work in healthcare smelling shit all day so it takes a lot to bother me

warped flare
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did they not teach you not to smell old people's shit 🙄

novel bramble
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Have you tried not smelling something that permeates the room?

warped flare
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are you in charge of diapers or what

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hey thats rude to call people something that permeates the room

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just because it maybe true

novel bramble
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And tbh, my ex-best friend had BO problems

warped flare
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thus ex- XD

novel bramble
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the sour ass sweat odor that came everytime he got up from a chair

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etc

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never smelled something worse so far lol

warped flare
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lmao

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ahh so he was your odor training

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endure test

novel bramble
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Too fat to properly wipe is my guess.

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Anyway

warped flare
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lmao

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huehuehue

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idk how nice this friend have to be in order for me to become bestf with him

novel bramble
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Well it wasnt always like this. Depression is one hell of a thing

warped flare
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i am basically a dog with some sensitive senses

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so smells i dont think i can ignore even if i can put up with it

novel bramble
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Hey same! Dog nose

warped flare
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ah sounds like it didnt go well

novel bramble
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Well he found happiness by going Trans and leaving for France.

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now she

warped flare
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<.< did that solve the BO issue tho... rhetorical quesiton

novel bramble
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Cant smell her from France, so that a yes for me.

warped flare
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manag < people with BO are green players

novel bramble
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Green Black and Blue

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Sultais

warped flare
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not all 3 combine from my experience

novel bramble
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White smells like a true man ofc.

warped flare
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but i also avoided smelling them

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white probably smells more like gas

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i will remember to shat myself whenever i play white

novel bramble
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I remember back in the old days, there was a guy taking pictures at mtg tournaments, he was kneeling beside an ass crack.

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It was hilarious

warped flare
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was it at least a sexy-crrack

novel bramble
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this dude

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lots of photos lol

warped flare
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oh that meme

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i think it was about selfies with as many cracks he could find

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its more like a performance art piece

novel bramble
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Art at its finest.

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Anyway gtg sleep, cya

warped flare
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cya

novel bramble
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Changes to Toph; I removed anything that gave +1/double counters. I figured my principal use of earthbending was to sacrifice and reuse strong cards so using mana to give them more counters instead of just playing more strong cards was nonbo

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I added more ways to turn toph into an artifact, and more ways to double trigger her effect

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It might make some creatures a lot worse like [[Giggling Skitterspike]] , in which case I'll switch it to other cards

zealous ridgeBOT
novel bramble
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LGS news:
Killian got sac-looped, quite a shitty game overall. My boardwipe got countered too by a guy with 2 shitty creatures. Happens.
Quintorius wouldve been a win if someone wasnt playing Killian B4 combo deck. Shit deck.
Toph dominated but I was vs the Eldrazi that cascade cascade. same dude with 3 overbearing decks. I killed him first and he complained lol. Sadly wasnt able to draw one new card in Toph but I was able to set up a [[Destruction field]] loop every turn and have too much mana.

zealous ridgeBOT
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No card found for “Destruction field”

novel bramble
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[[Demolition field]]

zealous ridgeBOT
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Land
manat: Add manac.
mana2, manat, Sacrifice this land: Destroy target nonbasic land an opponent controls. That land's controller may search their library for a basic land card, put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle. You may search your library for a basic land card, put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle.

novel bramble
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Someone was playing a 100% legendary deck, including all his lands

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I only looped him twice to be fair game

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and 2nd time was to kill him so all good.

zealous ridgeBOT
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No card found for “shiru forever loyal”

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No card found for “maru forever loyal”

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No card found for “maro forever loyal”

warped flare
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[[yoshimaru]]

zealous ridgeBOT
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Multiple cards match “yoshimaru”, can you be more specific?

warped flare
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was it this [[yoshimaru, ever]]

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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mixed up with [[dogmeat ever loyal]] lol

zealous ridgeBOT
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Legendary Creature — Dog
When Dogmeat enters, mill five cards, then return an Aura or Equipment card from your graveyard to your hand.
Whenever a creature you control that's enchanted or equipped attacks, create a Junk token. (It's an artifact with "manat, Sacrifice this token: Exile the top card of your library. You may play that card this turn. Activate only as a sorcery.")
3/3

novel bramble
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Nah it was [[sisai weatherlight]]

zealous ridgeBOT
novel bramble
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[[Sisai weatherlight captain]]

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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ah the even more generic one XD

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i played her once with secret commander but sisay is too strong in general

novel bramble
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Well considering he forced himself to play 100% legendary cards it gets a pass

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Weird fucking lands in that lol

warped flare
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and i made the mistake of thinking she can grab the same cmc and power rather than 1 less

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reverse birthing pod

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yeah i brew something with like 95% legendary and the lands arent the best

novel bramble
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The Toph decks seems so close to perfect, but I go through my cards way too fast. I need heavy draw

warped flare
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also most of them dont tap for colours

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so wburg is very hard

novel bramble
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Yeah, he's able to get mana from creatures mostly

warped flare
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start work in about an hour so i am going to eat, wont be looking at cards for now

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but lurking and msg should be okay, i need voice to text of something

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but i then need all the set up

novel bramble
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I was thinking of changing one of my artifacts for a [[Herd Heirloom]] to start with. No idea why I skipped over this one because I need trample pretty badly, and it gives draw too.

zealous ridgeBOT
novel bramble
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[[Horn of greed]] [[Mind's eye]] [[All-fates scroll]] are ideas

zealous ridgeBOT
novel bramble
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I always have too much mana, so Mind's Eye and Fate scrolls would draw me plenty

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Horn I'm less excited about. it doesnt work with Earthbending but it works whenever I cast an Artifact with Toph on the field

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[[Sensei's divining top]] feels the most exploitable, recurring landfall everytime I play it

zealous ridgeBOT
novel bramble
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[[Howling mine]] could be cute since I can tap my artifacts for mana with a couple cards, but its a 1 card per turn deal

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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i am running it in my [[!Tifa martial artist]] rn

warped flare
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draws like 5+ cards per game

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ideally i can untap it too

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is there any thing that resemble con sphinx in naya colours. mind eyes works but so overcosted

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all fates scroll is perfect, thats one i didnt recall

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i think horn of greed wont work most of the time

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play land has to be your once per turn land

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🏃 👋

novel bramble
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cya, good day at work

warped flare
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done

novel bramble
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I started playing this game a year ago. Crazy how many cards had their prices increase by 50%+

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I was looking into maybe turning Toph to real cards and honestly? not worth it.

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Anyway. Small changes: [[Nissa Ressurgent Animist]] is probably better than [[Tannuk memorial]] considering that every elf and elemental are worth drawing.

zealous ridgeBOT
novel bramble
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Yeah pretty strong with Nissa.

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T6

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Another T6. Deck feels a lot more consistent, card draw is iffy, but in this case I can swing with Gigling, and I have enough mana to Freyalise and Monstrosity again if needed.

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Welp, same round lol

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I got the Survey Mechan on loop with Toph to draw 3 every turn, everything earthbended is hexproof and indestructible (Toph)

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Oops, survey mechan has summoning Sickness. This doesnt work 100%

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Question: Earthbent artifact creatures that comes back to the field have summoning sickness?

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Another T6 strong position. I can ramp with Elvish and draw cards by looping the Ichor Wellspring, and I'll earthbend Esper Sentinel to get potentially 2x per players because I don't think they'll pay the 2 twice (With Romaing Throne)

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Yeah. I'm very satisfied so far.

Ofc when I actually play this for real my mulligan will be uber trash.

warped flare
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if you play mostly janks and bulk, or cards that are generic enough to get lot of reprint and not retain value

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then its much cheaper

warped flare
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but nissa is also like a lotus cobra, when you said you have too much mana already

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but it is also better card "draw"

warped flare
zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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i mean... you can pay 5 mana into it for no reason i guess

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how good is tomik?

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thats a card i considered playing like 5-6 years ago

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but never finished the build

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[[survey mechan]]

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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whats the loop?

novel bramble
warped flare
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oh you kill it and then reuse

novel bramble
warped flare
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i thought you meant you have too much mana and keep doing monstrous

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fair, earthbend loop

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not combo loop

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kinda

novel bramble
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Strong loop anyhow.

warped flare
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yeah

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it has a nice effect

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repeatable lightning bolt

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on a flyer

novel bramble
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Ancestral recall and that shitty white version

warped flare
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draw life removal everything

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which one

novel bramble
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For pennies

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White spell that heals 3 life

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The white counterpart to ancestral recall

warped flare
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what did you do to tap all those artifact

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how did you earthbend that many times

novel bramble
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They can tap for mana

warped flare
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which effect

novel bramble
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Yavimaya and Toph

warped flare
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oh i missed it

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i know toph but i didnt pay attention to the yavi

novel bramble
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Yeah its pretty good. Im also considering The black version

warped flare
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i would

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for sure

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if its not because of budget i would play urborg without cabal in most of my non black decks

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its like a [[chromatic lantern]] as a land drop for utility lands

zealous ridgeBOT
novel bramble
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Ah lol

warped flare
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down side is opponenting getting cabal

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in which case i think i would have a way to sac my own urborg at that point

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but cabal is kinda rare enough

novel bramble
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Oh yeah. But its rare enough

warped flare
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below B3

novel bramble
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Technically this deck can deal with lands quite easily

warped flare
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if they are mono black, i would give it

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otherwise, all fetches duo and utility lands + urborg cabal is greedy af

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those players are both easy to punish and deserves every bit of it

novel bramble
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Lol yeah

warped flare
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they are a rare breed so i dont have to prepare that perfect counter everything ghost quater deck as well

novel bramble
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I wouldnt play both unless I have land tutors

warped flare
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and tbh one of them is just very unfun to play against since all his decks are basically by definition B4 with "MDL" sort of colour denial effect

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and only blood moons that can affect my cheap ass basics

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pre bracket days, idk how much of him contributed to "scaring away" newer players

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otherwise i expect that 20 year old LGS to be much bigger today

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the owner isnt the friendliest either so theres also that

warped flare
warped flare
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whats the rule number for that...

eager bayBOT
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302.6 A creature’s activated ability with the tap symbol or the untap symbol in its activation cost can’t be activated unless the creature has been under its controller’s control continuously since their most recent turn began. A creature can’t attack unless it has been under its controller’s control continuously since their most recent turn began. This rule is informally called the “summoning sickness” rule.

warped flare
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when summoning sickness is an informal term that technically has nothing to do with summoning

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if something enters, then become a creature, summoning sickness applies

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if something enters, change control

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again, it is summoning sick

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thats why all the red [[threaten]] say haste on them

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novel bramble
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blue take control doesnt always say haste [[control magic]]

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imagine mono colour tomik

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As soon as I can earthbend Toph it means unless cyclonic rift happens Toph isnt going anywhere

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if you can earthbend toph

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you fuck cyc rift

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you can only earth bend on a land

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cyc rift specifically say non land

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True. I meant a blue wipe effect

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[[ashaya, wild]] is my favourite cyc rift counter

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novel bramble
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They usually return shit to hand

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if they can bounce lands

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then its the strongest counter to earthbending

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Most effect doesnt target lands but creatures, so it work

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unless your deck can play all the lands at once [[wren and six]] which one is it

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Legendary Planeswalker — Wrenn
+1: Return up to one target land card from your graveyard to your hand.
−1: Wrenn and Six deals 1 damage to any target.
−7: You get an emblem with "Instant and sorcery cards in your graveyard have retrace." (You may cast instant and sorcery cards from your graveyard by discarding a land card in addition to paying their other costs.)
Loyalty: 3

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[[wren and seven]]

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Legendary Planeswalker — Wrenn
+1: Reveal the top four cards of your library. Put all land cards revealed this way into your hand and the rest into your graveyard.
0: Put any number of land cards from your hand onto the battlefield tapped.
−3: Create a green Treefolk creature token with reach and "This token's power and toughness are each equal to the number of lands you control."
−8: Return all permanent cards from your graveyard to your hand. You get an emblem with "You have no maximum hand size."
Loyalty: 5

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yes that one with the 0: loyalty ability

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Theres the other wrenn that lets you tap your lands for mana too

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The 3 mana one i think

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is [[as fate scroll]] a new add

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No card found for “as fate scroll”

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[[!all fates scroll]]

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Yeah. I had it in my sideboard for a while

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I thought 7 mana was too much at the time.

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The deck goes through cards fast so massive drawing is better

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And I always end up with no cards and too much mana anyway

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brb

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Gtg anyway. Ttyl 👋

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i never thought its too much, it was more so a "how many lands i need to be wort\h it"

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and Toph makes it super easy

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one of those perfect fit in terms of synergy

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much weaker in any other commander but still usable

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last one. Infinite on T4 with Bumi

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Exodia hand

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Last last one just cauz this was funny.

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T7 I dropped Toph earthbending master and upped her experience counter to 15

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I can wipe the whole board minus all my stuff, except the tokens

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All my stuff is indestructible, I didnt bother calcing Ashaya's and Greensleeves Power

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Having both Lotus Cobra and Nissa on the board creates a situation wehre I go mana positive everytime I drop a 1 mana artifact

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I think the deck is complete. Cross fingers

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yeah, perfect basics and sol ring start is one heck of a an infinite turn. do people get piss on T4 infinite in B3?

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so many badgers

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Depends. From sol ring its fine I guess, its expected to have a shorter game when someone drops the solring+arcane signet

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how good is [[toph hard head]] in the 99

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Legendary Creature — Human Warrior Ally
When Toph enters, you may discard a card. If you do, return target instant or sorcery card from your graveyard to your hand.
Whenever you cast a spell, earthbend 1. If that spell is a Lesson, put an additional +1/+1 counter on that land. (Target land you control becomes a 0/0 creature with haste that's still a land. Put a +1/+1 counter on it. When it dies or is exiled, return it to the battlefield tapped.)
3/4

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i put my in Tifa, havent draw her yet

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She allows earthbending shenanigans before end of turn

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i like the value

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which helps a lot

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but those creatures are hard to attack with since i dont have infinite mana like you do

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They're more used as synergy pieces

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your is a T7 near infinite?

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Its not combo, just solitaire for a while

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[[Toph earthbending master]]

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Legendary Creature — Human Warrior Ally
Landfall — Whenever a land you control enters, you get an experience counter.
Whenever you attack, earthbend X, where X is the number of experience counters you have. (Target land you control becomes a 0/0 creature with haste that's still a land. Put X +1/+1 counters on it. When it dies or is exiled, return it to the battlefield tapped.)
2/4

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I eventually lose gas, so its not infinite

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i know its not a combo, that why i said near infinite

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once a deck gets over 80 damage it is basically game winning

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green die for lands and ... purple or white ish die for artifact something

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i will watch you crack your skull on my slipping [[rug of smoothering]]

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lol yeah, although on the last pic I can get back a ton of Life with Black Panther

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[[tragic arrogant]] this is a card i never own and it never works in my low value play decks since i will also have a small board

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so good for non land wipe

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a balanced [[balance]]

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[[black panther]] i forgot his effect only play against it once

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Multiple cards match “black panther”, can you be more specific?

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Yeah theres a few boardwipes that says non-land permanents so they fit perfectly with Toph

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[[Black panther wakanda]]

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Legendary Creature — Human Noble Hero
First strike
Survey the Realm — Whenever Black Panther or another creature you control enters, put a +1/+1 counter on target land you control.
Mine Vibraniummana3: Move all +1/+1 counters from target land you control onto target creature. If one or more +1/+1 counters are moved this way, you gain that much life and draw a card.
2/2

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I forgot to put the +1 counters

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so you can add about +30 of them on something

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i own the jank wipes that makes land creature and destroy all non land permanents

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but they are from so long ago so the cast cost is so bad

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whichever zendikar it was from

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oh right black panther sees tokens

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the moving counters ability is kinda insane for utility

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doubt i will see this more than 5 times in my life tho

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another way to draw, and the lifegain is appreciated

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this deck struggle vs flyers

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yeah life gain backup isnt bad

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its half of a [[bisly grill]] already

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No card found for “bisly grill”

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whatever that expensive landfall = +1 double counters green cactus is called

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[[!bristly bill]]

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saw it in your pic to spell the name right

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lol, yeah this dude is riddiculous

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I removed everything that gave +1 counters except this guy

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[[$bristly bill]] way out of budget and feels too good to play in any of my power level

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Double counters on instant speed when I usually have too much mana is just insane

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hes 75$ here

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thats a .5 GC at least, maybe higher

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sol ring is a .5 GC

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i think Bristly is at least .6+

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do you trhink toph can do well against B4 decks?

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[[!earthshap]]

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wow i remember readingthis once before

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its better than i remember

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so expensive

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She could, there's a couple of combos you can make with her

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I mean, all the mox are landfalls triggers too

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i am not invested enough in white to get an colourshifted earthbend card at that price tag

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now that i think about it, i dont know how much mox appears in B4 games

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those are like tournament level decks

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You got nasty stuff like [[Candelabra of tawnos]]

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thats okay

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still kinda cost mana at first

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so its a combo piece but not just instant win button

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ofc i dont expect most decks to have enough removals for all those turbo decks

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if everyone is at the same power, its not pubstomping

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ofc, I just meant that she's viable up there

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fair, so there are some nice fast combos

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is your good enough for B4 at your LGS

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my LGS typically dont plan for B4. but the long time players usually have the "salty 2nd/3rd" game deck if the first one went really bad against something very out of proportion

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i am thinking about this card [[$uncles musings]][[!uncles musings]]

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bit over a dollar CAD

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mainly because there are no good converge cards for a long time and this seems fun

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[[$spider sense]] i think i should get this while i am at it

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:c $3+ seems bit high tho

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Question; If I have [[Liquimetal Coating]] on the field, and I cast [[Bumi, unleashed]]. Bumi's earthbend trigger goes on the stack but do I have to target a land first? Can I, in response to Bumi enter trigger, Liquimetal Coat him into an artifact before he earthbend, therefore Earthbending himself?

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I think not but I might be wrong

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[[toph earthbending master]]

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Legendary Creature — Human Warrior Ally
Landfall — Whenever a land you control enters, you get an experience counter.
Whenever you attack, earthbend X, where X is the number of experience counters you have. (Target land you control becomes a 0/0 creature with haste that's still a land. Put X +1/+1 counters on it. When it dies or is exiled, return it to the battlefield tapped.)
2/4

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target

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so bumi cant earthbend himself

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Unless Ashaya is on the field

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alright

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[[rule lawyer]]

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Artifact Creature — Cyborg Advisor
State-based actions don't apply to you or other permanents you control. (You don't lose the game due to having 0 or less life or drawing from an empty library. Your creatures aren't destroyed due to damage or deathtouch and aren't put into a graveyard due to having 0 or less toughness. Your planeswalkers aren't put into a graveyard if they have 0 loyalty. You don't put a legendary permanent into a graveyard if you control two with the same name. Counters aren't removed from your permanents due to game rules. Permanents you control attached or combined illegally remain on the battlefield. For complete rules and regulations, see rule 704.)
1/1

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lol doesnt work

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is ashaya is on board i think you dont need to earthbend bumi anymore

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more power is good though

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and unkillable protection

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[[kaya ghostform]] + landfall for green is too much sometimes

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Earthbending gives Haste, Bumi enters, gives haste, infinite combat phases with every creatures

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is 4/4 enough to get through with trample

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earthbend set P/T to 0/0

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yes

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I mean it could, I just need one guy open

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4/4 seems so easy to block

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fair nuf

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do you ever thought you can play with something like [[Divine presence]]

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Maybe in a defensive deck. Its not bad if your wincon is either just winning through a triggered effect or multiple instance of tiny damage

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Could work in my hobbit deck for example, because most of my damage comes in instances of 3

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The ring, the food, etc.

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but I gain so much life that it doesnt feel necessary

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and its weak to infinites anyway

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its a lot less interesting than [[equal treatment]]

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Well this ones not an enchantment

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I've been tinkering on my old [[Jin sakai]] deck also. Crazy how my mindset changed. I instantly cut 22 cards from the deck

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Legendary Creature — Human Samurai
Whenever Jin Sakai deals combat damage to a player, draw a card.
Whenever a creature you control attacks a player, if no other creatures are attacking that player, choose one —
• Standoff — It gains double strike until end of turn.
• Ghost — It can't be blocked this turn.
2/4

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hopefully easier to make changes to the 200 cards deck now

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aww no duelist heritage

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[[!silent hallcreeper]] was a card i should have bought when it was first out below $2

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i dont play aggro in blue often enough but its utility is so good, i guess with delney and double strike, you can basically turn it into a 3/3 cantrip on first hit and then copy another thing right away

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i would add more double strike into the deck

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since everything is combat damage focused

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now that i moved, i think i want to start ordering proxies of sort and get used to the process. i dont have a full deck list but i know some of those expensive cards [[$urza saga]] i wouldnt mind having a copy of

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Secret Lair Countdown

$53.96 • €52.51

Secret Lair Countdown

$422.24 • €413.62

Store Championships

$381.89 • €319.04

Mystery Booster 2

$34.62 • €38.04 • 18.45 TIX

The List

$43.13

Modern Horizons 2

$41.69 • €37.98 • 18.07 TIX

Modern Horizons 2

$38.38 • €38.09

Modern Horizons 2 Promos

$87.66 • €74.70

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in general probly cards over $5/10 dollar, some unfun cards that will get cut after one game or no reprint stuff

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nah i wanted a few proxy long ago

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because i like testing and brewing

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even if i dont play those cards in game

novel bramble
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for a decade of playing my avg deck didnt excess $200-250 and are in penny sleeves

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CAD

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I treat my proxies with Dragon shield lol

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Not my favourite brand but they got the most colors

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it need some fixing to start up to date

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i think i showed you it?

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Yeah long ago

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Made any changes?

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[[goblin fireslinger]] got replaced by another pinger

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novel bramble
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I dislike the arts on sleeves. Just give me color, shuffle feel and duration

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still never drew [[!chandra fire of kaladesh]] once in a game

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So far for shuffle feel Katana are great, but very hard to find and barely any colors

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i would probably want pokemon art sleeves if they arent branded and expensive

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yeah katana has really good shuffle

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The old days had Eclipses which were the best, but they changed their formula and now its shit

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and cant inner sleeve

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Dragon shield's biggest problem is the top. Too much space

warped flare
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i think i have a set of 50 eclipses from early 2015?

novel bramble
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And some colors shuffle like ass for some reason

warped flare
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nah got to be like 2016 or so

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Yeah, that was the best time for eclipse

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i used to use that for draft

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before i knew about commander

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time line is a bit mixed up

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2014 havent played commander, 2015 some drafts here and there and didnt find anyone to play with

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I come from a time where sleeving was barely a thing and we had those super sloppy clear sleeves to protect our decks with, so I'm not super picky usually

warped flare
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commander cube draft i have won like 90% of the time

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But sleeves that sticks after a day of shuffling and sleeves that corner bend easily are big no no

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i mean most kids dont consider protection

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i grew up with things either get destroyed and threw away or it needs to hold some form of value to deserve getting repaired

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so instead of letting someone destroy it, i would rather be the one who ruin it myself

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[[village rite]] is basically my type of protection

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instead of [[cloudshift]]

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so i would threat things with enough care and have my cards in at least LP condition even without sleeves

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with sleeves they are probably still LP but less scratches

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NM doesnt exist in my world

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unless its never touched in anyways

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open package -> already not a 10 grade

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but penny sleeves does the job well enough

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not the best for shuffling but the feel is alright

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anwyays, any idea how i can fix my

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baby rakdos deck