#Need help cutting card in my Evelyn the Covetous deck

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warped flare
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instead of out of nowhere i topdeck this thing, i have 15 open mana you all die

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dang that [[triump of the horde|124|soa]]

zealous ridgeBOT
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No card found with with collector number “soa” in “124”

warped flare
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[[triump of the horde|soa|124]]

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warped flare
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[[!triump of the horde|soa|124]]

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warped flare
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too bad its unfun at lower bracket i dont need it

novel bramble
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They really did a great job with the art

warped flare
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but foregin language cards with unrecognizable art? with all the UB its not that special anymore

novel bramble
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But yeah I get what you mean about Exsan, it was mostly an example of cards that you don't mind having in your opening hand

warped flare
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its hard to be used in a regular game

novel bramble
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some of them are more broken than others, like the one with Demonic Tutor

warped flare
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well tutor is tutor

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or the recovery seems really good for green just an extra creature for your [[beast whisperere]

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[[beast whisperere]]

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novel bramble
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but generally you can see them as either a 2nd copy of a spell you want in your deck, or simply space compression

warped flare
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right, because we dont have enough cards to cut from the deck already XD

novel bramble
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Cutting is hard

warped flare
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too many of them works better is power than fun

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i think i had less issue cutting because i have a different focus on my brew

novel bramble
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Yeah I value good and fun above just fun

warped flare
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i have very specific things to look for and i can cut out lot of "uneeded " and "unflavourful designed" cards

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did i tell you that the jap art [[Farewell]] was one of the most expensive white card i bought from my pile of singles

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warped flare
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i think i played it in one deck one and never again, until it got reprinted in the Tidus precon and now its a GC

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i got that card because of the art, the simplicity and how "iconic" it is with "all modes"

novel bramble
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Did you know that the Spanish version costs more

warped flare
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if you can reconigze that card without being able to read beyond the card name

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then you can really enjoy its art

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adios

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[[addios]]

zealous ridgeBOT
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No card found for “addios”

warped flare
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cant spell french

novel bramble
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[[Adios]]

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warped flare
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i am too asian for that

novel bramble
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its Adieu in french

warped flare
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every french i cant speak is just an alternative french

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arabic just looks like bunch of snakes on the ground

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i want less reading in my commander game as well

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more talking shit and giggling fun

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so as much as i love wording ygo cards

novel bramble
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In that case just run 15 boardwipes

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no ones wants to read all these cards anyway

warped flare
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i am slowly avoiding certain things unless its janky enough to be in my deck

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cast "non board wipe card" calls its "boardwipe"

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next level Yugi attack the moon to destroy it and fill the ocean with moon rocks moment

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think of it as a story/movie

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if my climitic moment happens non stop

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there is really no climax

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you need the ups and downs to balance it out

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i want that memorable and fun experience

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thats why i feel like i struggle with voltron the most, its often make one person sits out of the game

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successful voltron kills the entire table without 2-3 rotation

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[[helping hand|soa|135]] this i didnt recall

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warped flare
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dang i used the wrong command

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didnt want to show the text

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worse [[unearth]] but

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warped flare
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its white surprise reanimate

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and white also has more impactful small creature and self re-flicker

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but its really a shit card you dont need in most decks

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ooh i like this one [[!reprieve|soa|139]]

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novel bramble
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My [[Celestine the living saint]] Would probably run it

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warped flare
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as an artist we love those difficultly drew body part even if its not naked

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wrist looks weird but its minor enough

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and i think the gamer side of me is also a sucker for those particle effects so the black flame/smoke is perfect

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ahh now that i look pass the text box

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i can understand why the wrist/forearm looks like that

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could be completely wrong but its like a moment of hesitation

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or illusion

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so that the curved arm sort of represents that

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i guess its not hesitation but more of a relief from pain relaxed

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gtg 2 work bb

novel bramble
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Finally able to go to my LGS, did a proper sending for Eriette.

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What a trash deck lol

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Also, fuck Sol Ring. All 3 games were completely thrown out of balance from a solring+talisman T1.

warped flare
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lmao

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i guess vadalblast is your meta game counterpick then

novel bramble
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Sadly you cant punish solring fast enough before they benefit from it, or only by putting you behind the other 2 players in the curve

warped flare
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you forgot to [[!offer you cant refuse]] that T1 sol ring

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warped flare
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i know some one that wants to play [[mental mistep]] just to troll that T1 ring

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warped flare
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[[$mental misstep]]

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warped flare
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too rich for my blood tho

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i would need a proxy deck for that

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but i find it a bit harder to justify a trollingmean to play against deck with proxy

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just how much MLD can i fit in one deck challenge accepted

warped flare
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was this the deck that got scraped?

novel bramble
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Yeah. Its getting replaced by the new Orzhov precon

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So far I'm just cutting a few cards and putting everything interesting in the sideboard

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Every cuts are in considering

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I'll prioritise goad auras, self-recursing auras, cantrip auras, interaction auras

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No game changers for noe, but It would be tutors to get [[Sigarda's aid]] asap

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novel bramble
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Flash for 1 mana is the best. 2nd part doesnt matter since I wont play equipments.

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No need for ramp either. Curve is low, and I'd rather have constant auras to throw out rather than draw ramp

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Commander is draw so that helps

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I just need to make sure I get enough creatures because I would put like 50 auras If I dont check myself

warped flare
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since there arent too many protection aura, i can see hexproof equipment may matters

novel bramble
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Theres enough tbh.

warped flare
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ok then

novel bramble
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Most have flash too

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I might run more interactions if I can too. Too many solitaire decks lately

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I also feel like I'm playing with a lot of shy pods that doesnt wanna offend anyone

warped flare
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yeah i think one of the thing i dislike the most in B3 is the solitaire combo and engine oil that ignores how other people plays

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all sort of decentive to do things with "stax-like" protection effect

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i wonder how bad a game would be if everything has hexproof indestructable on average

warped flare
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i checked over the [[!eriette charmed apple]] and goldfished it,the main problem is very much the direction and the focus of the commander

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warped flare
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when it mention aura but the 2 ability dont have direct synergy, its basically just two seperate individual build around

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first part is just pillow fort and no ability if the aura is on your own cards

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go wide aura is very unstable hence aura is one of the most unpopular mechanic in the game

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and then end step drain, only matter with lot of aura out, which is again very situation since aura on opponent's creature can fall off easily

novel bramble
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The commander itself has 2 big weaknesses: It cannot force people to attack, and yoi are shit oit of luck of they remove her from the field; now theres aura-buffed creatures that WILL attack you before you cast your commander again

warped flare
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unless the game is at a stalemate, the game usually dont last long enough for that type of drain to matter

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its like a shitty Gary early game

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yeah and that too, you buff stuff up only for them to attack you because the pillowfort is only on your commander

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but even if eriette stays on board the entire game with hexproof protection undying etc

novel bramble
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They can just... not attack.

warped flare
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the win con, lack of consistency, lack of card draw engine is just awful

novel bramble
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Her last ability doesnt do a lot either. You need a doubling effect like Delney

warped flare
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thus the only good auras are the goading and [[darksteel mutation]]

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warped flare
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thats just a delney deck lol

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weird enough, i think eriette is more like a [[authority of consul]] slow pace control deck

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novel bramble
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Yeah. Last game I had with her she didnt die but I had 1 aura the entire game

warped flare
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but instead of removal, you want more addition to the problem

novel bramble
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Didnt do much

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At least Kilian triggers with Enchantments, not just auras

warped flare
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yeah auras/non green enchantress dont have a great time in commander singleton

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which kilian? the new precon one?

novel bramble
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So you can still benefit on turns you dont play an aura

warped flare
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and tokens in general

novel bramble
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Yeah. [[Killian mentor]]

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warped flare
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enchantress also dont work without cast while green has the best constellation draw

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how much did you alter the killian precon

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i guess you can consider eriette in the 99?

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oh it is there

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oh nice it s in the precon

novel bramble
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I cut all the politics cards

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Theres no need to run 2 themes in this

warped flare
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i must be looking at the precon link from you XD

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so the second one is your decklist

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and you probably changed all the lands

novel bramble
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Check the considering section. Its all the cuts

warped flare
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i already dislike the precon after looking at like 3 things

novel bramble
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Yeah its white

warped flare
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it works but nowhere near who i want the deck built

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so high on 3 drops and early game small stuff

warped flare
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i think there is a few infinite combo with [[screams from within]] which is kinda funny/thematic to me

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warped flare
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new art not as iconic [[screams from within|dst|52]] as the original

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novel bramble
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Still love the art on new one

warped flare
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maybe, if i see the card in person

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i want to be able to somewhat make out the image upside down

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not a huge fan of symmetrical symmetry

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[[$scream from within]]

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warped flare
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lol its more expensive for non foil

novel bramble
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Lots of good reprints

warped flare
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https://moxfield.com/decks/LTx0oKUr5UuhYIFHmNhdDA
https://moxfield.com/decks/5tI2Q82oDEmQxz2Oxkf3qw
https://moxfield.com/decks/hG3awsn0NUSYh91ejhFsPg
list of decks to review

Moxfield
Volrath, the Shapestealer - Commander (Volrath, the Shapestealer)

A Commander deck featuring Volrath, the Shapestealer by Shahnaz • View on Moxfield

Moxfield
Toph, the First Metalbender - Commander (Toph, the First Metalbender)

A Commander deck featuring Toph, the First Metalbender by Shahnaz • View on Moxfield

Moxfield
Silverquill Influence - Commander (Killian, Decisive Mentor)

A Commander deck featuring Killian, Decisive Mentor by Shahnaz • Source: https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/secrets-of-strixhaven-commander-decklists

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yea, land tax is quite a reprint

novel bramble
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Volrath i ended up trashing the deck.

warped flare
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and i really like the new [[changing loyalty]] maybe even toooo playable

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warped flare
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rip volrath gone so fast

novel bramble
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Felt cool, goldfish didnt wow me

warped flare
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i figured the power may not match your avg deck

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hmmm it can be cooler but i doubt it will get more "popular"

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its low ranking for a reason

novel bramble
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I guess I'd rather print decks that I know I'll like.

warped flare
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sultai is probably the best colours in commander if not the most popular

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atraxa's been at the top for years despite its unfun game play

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so its hard to bring something new to the table with volrath

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and then each LGS also kinda have their own thing

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my oldest LGS was the most competitive at first since it also (primarily) host 1vs1 formats

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but the people are still there for casual commander

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so after some disgusting games and player interactions i felt like there's more push back

novel bramble
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Im drafting tomorrow.

warped flare
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and the power level somewhat decrease/slowed down/ just try to adjust to others and have fun

novel bramble
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Yeah well it depends on the players

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Some have very cutthroat B3 decks

warped flare
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then the store with most people are usually more chill but slower game play

novel bramble
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Some are known combo/loop players

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Most boring bitches

warped flare
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also lot of different people, some sweaty and salty, most are just new to the game and not regulars

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i would meta game too hard if i know someone too well

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i build for the game play experience and the moment, so i will reciprocate with my most sincere retaliation

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but overall, its much quicker and more efficient to just leave that table for another one

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the less fun but necessary adulting side of social interaction

novel bramble
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I like politics decks, but you need the right group. Some players flat out refuse to play into politics

warped flare
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so in a weird way, i am your most fun ygo commander player who cannot grow out of stax-storm so i try to make it fun for everyone

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depends, because some part of politics is like group hug

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if you go along with it, group hug will win, way too much

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its objectively incorrect to go along with that kind of "politics"

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but you cant reject that politic exist in multiplayer

novel bramble
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I need to make a Police deck; something that keeps everyone in check without being stax

warped flare
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unless you are at the highest power level where everyone is your enemy and you cant trust anyone else but yourself

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there cannot be alliance without completely breaking the balance of the format

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and it would only lead to backstabing salty kingmaking in your Cedh game

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stax has bad rep

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but i believe there are many levels of stax

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you DONT need [[stasis]] to play stax

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warped flare
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i always see there are the differentce between soft lock and hard lock

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in video game, soft lock you can fix the problem by restarting to the last save point

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hard lock you have no way out

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small amount of resources denial is better if not good for the game

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MLD is the extreme case of discussion and very unnecessary as it also fails to solve any problems

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how nice it would be if there is always like a [[erratic portal]] on each side of the table

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warped flare
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maybe reads "Return target creature you dont control to its owner's hand unless pays etc"

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so everyone has to work around it, but it doesnt host the game from continuing

warped flare
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i would really like [[intermediate choreography]] in marchesa. in here its okay but nowhere near having good synergy, more like an enchantment flying creature at a low cost. what are oyur thought on secret rendezvous

zealous ridgeBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/soc/26/intermediate-chirography

Intermediate Chirography <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920>

Enchantment — Class
(Gain the next level as a sorcery to add its ability.)
When this Class enters, create a 2/1 white and black Inkling creature token with flying.
mana1manab: Level 2
Whenever you lose life for the first time each turn, put a +1/+1 counter on target creature you control.
mana2manab: Level 3
At the beginning of each end step, if a modified creature died under your control this turn, create a 2/1 white and black Inkling creature token with flying. (Equipment, Auras you control, and counters are modifications.)

warped flare
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i know some people would hate to give 3 cards to someone for free

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so it comes down to opponent/table/personal politicking skills

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i am in the middle, leaning toward a card i would generally take out

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i feel like its lower power for the lower end stuff

novel bramble
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I'd rather play [[cut a deal]] so you'd at least go +1

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novel bramble
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Secret rdv is a politics card, and hard to actually get a good deal out of it

warped flare
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you dont +1

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same amount

novel bramble
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You use 1 to draw 3 and they draw 1

warped flare
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3 mana give away 3 to oppenent draw back 3

novel bramble
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You go +1

warped flare
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so its net 6 draws but you go +2

novel bramble
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I meant +1 compared to your opponents

warped flare
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you lose 1 card to see 3 new cards that +1 comparison dont add up

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your opponents each get 1

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you get3 new cards they all get 1 new card

novel bramble
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I prefer to see this as how many more cards you see compared to your opponents

warped flare
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i am meh on both in terms of number, but i can see more favour from one person if i just give out stuff with a specific target

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not quite as strong as Bumbleflower targetting only one player

novel bramble
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True, which is why secret is a politic card

warped flare
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are you keeping it, was it from the precon

novel bramble
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No and yes

warped flare
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oh i thought you were using it

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must have looked at the wrong category

novel bramble
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Everything in the main deck and the considering section is from the precon

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Sideboard isnt

warped flare
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ah so small 15 cuts

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if only strix haven have rakdos something

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izzet is the closest to being artistic

novel bramble
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Only enemy colors this time around

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Still not done cutting anyway.

warped flare
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strixhaven never had other colours outside of its curent 4

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or 5

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school

novel bramble
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Yep, its fine; wouldnt wanna buy more precons lol. 5 is enough

warped flare
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you got all 5 wut

novel bramble
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Yes

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Shops werent taking single decks for preorders, so I just bought all 5

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I usually dont do that, but i wanted to support a small lgs

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And it was discounted for all 5

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[[Dont move]] [[fated clash]] Im liking these

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warped flare
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[[dont move]] didnt get reprinted right

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warped flare
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i should have bought it when it was at its cheapest but i hesitated on the white wipe

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[[$dont move]]

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novel bramble
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No. Ill proxy it if it ends up in the deck

warped flare
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yeah no reprint

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its fun along side split up

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or some blue tapping stuff

novel bramble
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Split up is in 100%

warped flare
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i would put this in that esper blue deck you have

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clue*

novel bramble
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Yeah

warped flare
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blue clue

novel bramble
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I would if I went the abuse Inquisitor's ability build, but I went the other way

warped flare
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i need to lable my decks more and let someone pick which one to play, except they dont know what any of them means XD

novel bramble
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Tbh I might regret it a little

warped flare
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fated clash remain me a bit of [[final battle]]

zealous ridgeBOT
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No card found for “final battle”

novel bramble
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Fated Clash is an instant boardwipe, which I like very much

warped flare
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[[final combat]]

zealous ridgeBOT
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No card found for “final combat”

novel bramble
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I can almost force it too with my commander

warped flare
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not as good as [[final showdown]]

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warped flare
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i cant find the name

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each player keeps one and sacrifice the rest

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creature or planeswalker

novel bramble
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Tragic Arrogance?

warped flare
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[[single combat]]

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novel bramble
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Oh yeah

warped flare
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would be nice if i play white decks more often because lowpower its like 90+% creatures

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"fair magic"

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spells and $trophy price cards are either power house or unfair magic

novel bramble
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White board wipes are just good, but destroy is the weakest effect you could use

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Sacrifice is best

warped flare
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yeah as much as [[!wrath of god]] is iconic

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warped flare
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idk any decks that actually cares about it

novel bramble
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Its dogshit now.

warped flare
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black doesnt run [[damnation]]

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warped flare
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meh its playable

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but never the first wipe to go for

novel bramble
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Youd need a dedicated super late game deck that runs 6+ boardwipes to even consider it

warped flare
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in boardwipe tribal + superfriends where do you think wrath sits

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would it be in the top 15?

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oh lol i am thinking like 10+

novel bramble
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After top 10 it doesnt matter at all lol

warped flare
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XD fair

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its the wipe you use when you ran out of paper on the toilet

novel bramble
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Your hand

warped flare
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[[social snub]] is this a card that interest you

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warped flare
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You know the saying "Be a man, use you hands"

novel bramble
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No, I will have a low creature count

warped flare
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with just one creature, voltron style deck its kinda a cool card to run

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but you really want to get rid of that creature before it resolves

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so you lose nothing and the table takes the edict

novel bramble
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Its better in orzhov aristocrats

warped flare
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and its kinda like a triple extort

novel bramble
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Certainly good in... Taysa?

warped flare
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hmmm meh

novel bramble
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The double death trigger no1 orzhov girl

warped flare
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teysa has too many good options

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aristocrat is one of the most "solves" archtype

novel bramble
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Its another option nonetheless

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Edicts are strong in that deck

warped flare
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3 mana kinda high for a single use respondable sac outlet

novel bramble
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Wouldnt be me anyway.

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But I will certainly try the Witherbloom precon

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Its the next deck ill be trying to upgrade

warped flare
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didnt look at that either, so far only saw the boros one from deck help and a snail video

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and the orzhov you showed me

novel bramble
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Its a golgari aristocrats

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With pests

warped flare
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precon lacks the personality and character i enjoy in commander for the most part so i am not big on the in universe commander build around

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yeah pest is expected

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just how it build its engine and boardstate i am not sure about

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probably same old

novel bramble
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Couple new pests cards

warped flare
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maybe the commander finally draw cards

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i remember seeing a good art

novel bramble
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And yeah its not super modern. But I have no aristocrats deck yet

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Might as well try it since I bought it

warped flare
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right i forgot you havent done everything

novel bramble
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Not the most interesting archetype for me

warped flare
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are you aimming for the whiteless drain or more of a green sustain pinger

novel bramble
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Dunno yet. Havent studied the deck yet

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Just glanced through

warped flare
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well green can do anything well and black makes up for the lack of creature removal

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so its probably a good balance all around deck

novel bramble
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Golgari stuff

warped flare
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golgari removal so good

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and i like green for the beginner style super ramp

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eatting dinner before LGS

novel bramble
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Its gonna be an interesting deck though, because she doesnt need to ramp much.

novel bramble
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Heres my pulls from the draft

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Cyclonic rift paid the draft at least lol

warped flare
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[[molten core maestro]] looks better than i thought

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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because we dont have enough brigi in the game

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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but i guess there is a cap on it since it does demand 5+ mana used on the spell

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and the first time it doesnt create more mana than you spend unles you put an equipment on it

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menace also helps with getting dmg through rather than just sit back like an artifact all game

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as a non blue, non B3 player i am more interested in [[!return the flavour]] XD

zealous ridgeBOT
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No card found for “return the flavour”

warped flare
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[[return the favor]]

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novel bramble
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Yeah that card is in my marchesa. Really versatile

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You can copy ramp spells, or good effects.

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I won once with it, by copying and redirecting a [[Wrathful red dragon]] effect after a Blasphemous Act

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warped flare
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i dont own one because it was above the price i wanted to pay at one point

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the copy is what i like more since it can be someone's trigger/activated ability, aka everything

novel bramble
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With strixhaven out I wanna work on my Queen deck. Lots of interesting cards

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Its hard to make cuts though. It really depends on the pods I'm playing with

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I wish I had gotten a Vampiric Tutor instead of Cyclonic rift lol

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Reprint still has it at 90$. Ffs

novel bramble
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[[Petrified hamlet]]

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novel bramble
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I like this

warped flare
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yeah i saw that for one of the ffew spoilers not too interested in it but its okay. in commander without 4 copies the chance of getting it is low, esp no land search but base line its a waste land upgrade so its usually a free include that can counter some big things in higher power

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i wouldnt want it if i either cannot tutor for land; already have too many colours in my identity; have no choice but to play it as my only mana source from hand like a T1 bojuka bog (low land count deck) etc etc

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the upside tho in the right match up at the right power is where it shines

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so it needs to have everything line up, so its niche even for my janky ass play style

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i have [[blood sun]] in one deck, havent really got to play it and i can get away with it like a free cantrip worst case

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best with bounce lands

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worst against bounce lands

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[[$wrathful red dragon]]

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all the fun cards feels so expensive for no reason

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Finally were able to try out the precons

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Well, 2 of them.

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Orzhov Precon really needs to separate both themes into more aura, but I almost won vs B2 and B4 decks (B4 piloted by a noob)

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Also tried the Simic one and its a powerhouse.

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Xspells are fun to play with

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yeah the simic one i didnt look through the entire precon but i know its simic in commander so lot of crazy bs

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[[$land tax]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/soc/153/land-tax

Prices for Land Tax
Secrets of Strixhaven Commander

$18.24 • €11.41 • 0.79 TIX

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$30.72 • €16.93 • 1.60 TIX

Wilds of Eldraine: Enchanting Tales

$26.33 • €17.42 • 2.20 TIX

Wilds of Eldraine: Enchanting Tales

$65.87 • €58.95

Commander Masters

$29.37 • €16.72 • 2.65 TIX

Commander Masters

$39.13 • 2.73 TIX

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$30.41 • €17.79

Double Masters

$31.17 • €18.09 • 2.19 TIX

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$27.01 • €16.25

Magic Online Promos

2.09 TIX

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nah i doubt i will ever get that, still trying to find a copy of FF [[$archeoamancer's map]]

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or this recent reprint

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Finished with Silverquill upgrades. Ended up changing 40-something cards lol

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Its definitively stronger than eriette. Theres so many good auras that becomes massive when you add a tap+goad to it.

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I might try out some curses too, but right now the list is tight

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yeah commander do more than eriette just without the slow drain

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good to see aura getting some used outside of enchantress voltron or enchantress hate bear

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not too sure how many curse are there

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no new curse for a while and the "best" ones are lowkey too unfun to play against

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[[trespasser's curse]] though i came to love because of how much i can get out of it

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in a non curse deck that is

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2 good ones. [[Curse of exhaustion]] and [[curse of death's hold]]

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yeah i own curseo f exhaustion that i cant justify myself using unless i am at least B3 power

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it sort of stops target player

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deaths hold is very situational in my games

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Ive got my share of solitaire players.

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most stuff doesnt get killed by it

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[[Bitterheart witch]] could also fit in

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and 5 mana is a lot dependso n the deck colour identity, + ramp/curve

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yeah witch is also jank for me

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dont have a deck for it

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5 cmc again

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[[illness in the ranks]] has failed me in testing

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i do the 3 mana one whats it called

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[[virulent plague]]

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at least forgot this card name 5 times

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Could be a fine piece. No space for now tho

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yeah, when you find a deck with major weakest against tokens

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death s hold curse just seems awful to me at that cost

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and it only affect one opponent

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[[elesh norn, grand]]

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but on a thing you cant cheat out and only affect one player... even for budget i question it's worth in the 99

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maybe with the esper aminato + cloning enchantments

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Nah you're right, I mainly went through auras first and it felt like a fun inclusion, but Virulent is just leagues better

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Even then its questionable to have a spot in the 99, which makes the whole curse thing feels less good, although the jank with Bitterheart Witch makes it less random than Virulent when it comes to getting it out.

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only be careful because virulent affect yourself so you either cant do the token stuff yourself/have to go with self sac aristocrats or have the option of playing only one of the two nonbo cards when you get both

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bitterheart unfortunately in itself is a bad tutor

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5 mana weak ass creature. deathtouch is worth as much as a 1-2 drop creature. human shaman not the randomly supported tribal typal here, and has a death trigger that no one will let you have it for free unless you force some politics

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but its also bad politic with bad trades

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"i will give them the worst curse i got if you take out my witch" "nah i will just take the 1"

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hey you, white guy, you play [[fight or flight]]? its so much jankier and cooler than ghostly prison

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can you imagine if everyone has more than 1 combat phase, and you can keep halving the number of attackers XD

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while i am more about "I will be anyone else but myself"

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i like the steel hellkite one although it will take ALOT of mana to destroy everything

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although two-3 activation should be enough of a blow out

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even if i go heavy on activated ability [[the enigma jewel]] i dont see that many interesting options

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https://scryfall.com/card/lci/55/the-enigma-jewel-locus-of-enlightenment

The Enigma Jewel <:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Artifact
The Enigma Jewel enters tapped.
manat: Add manacmanac. Spend this mana only to activate abilities.
Craft with four or more nonlands with activated abilities mana8manau (mana8manau, Exile this artifact, Exile the four or more from among other permanents you control and/or cards in your graveyard: Return this card transformed under its owner's control. Craft only as a sorcery.)

Locus of Enlightenment
Legendary Artifact
Locus of Enlightenment has each activated ability of the exiled cards used to craft it. You may activate each of those abilities only once each turn.
Whenever you activate an ability that isn't a mana ability, copy it. You may choose new targets for the copy.

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until it goes multi card infinite

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i like weird stuff such as [[bandit haul]] that may have a place but ultimately its a green deck with all the ramp

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so the final win con will probably be tons of counters on your creatures

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[[diigent zookeeper]]

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into anything that has similar text as [[clamavus]]

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lol i find [[chronatog]]

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the giant growth spam

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https://scryfall.com/card/otj/163/freestrider-lookout

Freestrider Lookout <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Human Rogue
Reach
Whenever you commit a crime, look at the top five cards of your library. You may put a land card from among them onto the battlefield tapped. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order. This ability triggers only once each turn. (Targeting opponents, anything they control, and/or cards in their graveyards is a crime.)
3/3

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have i told you how much i like [[profession hojo]] yet

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No card found for “profession hojo”

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[[professor hojo]] aparently not that much when i cant even spell it

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4 randomly picked packs. Heyo!

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a 2 drop body that can draw up to 4 per round is insane if you can get the maximium value

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if you can get 2 out of it, it already pay for itself, so after the third card its just extra draw for free

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do you know any interesting [[quirion ranger]] loops that are overly counterintuitive

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Not really the right guy for liops and combos lol

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right, too much for your white winnies go-tall Timmy brain 😝

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jk

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i think one of the main reason i have this bitter sweet love for [[ashya wild]] is exactly that

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[[ashya, soul of the wild]]

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either too many land creature combo or the fun of dodging Cyclonic rift without that opponent reading their own do-it-all GC bounce spell

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i am someone who hate [[aura shard]] even though i almost hardly ever played against itsimply because it has no downside with "you may" on the card

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in a creature deck in B3 i guess that would be the first card i proxy and put into a deck

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[[$ashaya, soul of wild]]

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wow, i think i got my at around $6, still never played once 😅 why did i even get it

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my may be from one of the zendikars too since it was before duskmourn came out

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Speaking of long turns, here's Lorehold upgraded: need to cut some stuff but pretty ok overall

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Probably need to cut beyond 100 because theres still cards in the sideboard I wanna put in

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ehhh why is everyone so interesting in lorehold precon

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i am still half way through figuring out the storm deck that is fun for the table

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time is a big factor

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I bought all the precons, might as well.

And honestly, I've warmed up to it. it didn't interest me that much at first but I like Boros and I like it's not shitty for a Boros

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I wanted to make a Quintorius deck a while back and scrapped the idea due to Quint sucking big time but this one is actually pretty good considering its a Planeswalker.

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i guess, and 4 mana is much nicely than 5

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my "lorehold" deck is a mardu that goes with [[descreted tomb]]

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No card found for “descreted tomb”

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i get this card name wrong 99% of the time

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[[descreted cemetery]]

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No card found for “descreted cemetery”

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[[desecrated tomb]]

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too many theme so that ratio is actually hard to solve

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WOuldve been a better card for the deck if it was any card instead of just creatures

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[[Planar Birth]] Found this btw seems like a fun card

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I also run Land Tax to fetch basics and discard them to hand size

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[[$planar birth]] havent see this card in a while

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iirc its not much of a commander card but idk what format runs it. its nice as a non green reclamation

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i guess people dont include it in case they are up against green land decks?

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Not a lot of decks that will mill enough basics to make it worth imo

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that exactly

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i think i ran over 30 basics in even 3 colour decks but i have green so its easy to do basic search

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[[!warmth]] just find this card never seen before

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i wonder how bad is it on average in commander

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red is not the most popular/common colour by any means and they also run out of cards quick

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i like the flavour and context of it though, makes every burn spell sudden this little flame that warms you up

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kinda comedic

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Yeah

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Anything wanting a specific color to do something is kinda iffy, unless its targeted at green or black imo

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Finalized versions

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Although I'm not 100% satisfied with Lorehold. There's a couple of bangers I wanted to include in the deck

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[[Renewed Solidarity]] being one of them

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I only hesitated because its at end of my turn only

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Besides that I'll check how Silverquill goes and adjust.

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Now I'm working on Quandrix

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I finally have a reason to included my borderless [[Wan shi tong librarian]] that I pulled

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and I got my proxies so I can upgrade Queen Marchesa and Toph too.

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that alone is $200 i guess for 40 cards thats not too bad

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wow [[$malakir rebirth]] those used to be no more than $3

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i have at least 3?

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the hell with this curve :/

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taking it safe

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[[!retcher]] this is one i dont remmeber

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used to seeing all the other "all enchantment comes back"

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[[!Retether]]

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i like the deck though, this is like my idea of GCless B3 deck

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i would want to play that at B3 level

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its one of those commander that allows for all the niche cards getting played i can applause to wotc for the design space

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this week i relearn that protection also detach equipments, i completely forgot that part of the DEBT since T only stands for target, turns out attached/equipment counts even after the fact

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Yeeep. Gotta be careful around protection auras

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my protection jank

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i never pulled off the [[tel jilad defiance]] in any games

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but i will certainly be doing [[curtain of light]] someday

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i want to do orzhov spellslinger

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probably after simic spellslinger

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looking at your lorehold now, i havent find much interesting in any of the lorehold stuff i saw

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did brew a con/+test version of Excava garbage lover on the other server

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[[$ornithopter of paradise]]

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[[!ornithopter of paradise|J25|153]]

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idk if i would use [[!drownyard temple]] with quintorious

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i usually do the panorama [[shire terrace]] to get more lands out of my 99

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did you forgot [[scavenger grounds]] or just dont want it

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too bad [[promising vein]] isnt a desert

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https://scryfall.com/card/lci/279/promising-vein

Promising Vein

Land — Cave
manat: Add manac.
mana1, manat, Sacrifice this land: Search your library for a basic land card, put it onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.
United under the banner of the Brazen Coalition, pirates put aside their feuds to plunder the underground bounty.

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ehh you dont really self mill

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whats the point of [[crucible]]

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Multiple cards match “crucible”, can you be more specific?

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just discard and that extra

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[[containment construct]] reuse?

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[[crucible of world]] seems to has a big part but its just ... get back land drop

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[[seasoned pyromancer]] high $ insignificant grave ability but sort of better than [[!tersa lightshatter]]?

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sort of

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maybe not

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Oh man lol. Reread [[Quintorius history]]. Every card that exits my graveyard creates a spirit

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https://scryfall.com/card/soc/7/quintorius-history-chaser

Quintorius, History Chaser <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Planeswalker — Quintorius
Whenever one or more cards leave your graveyard, create a 3/2 red and white Spirit creature token.
+1: You may discard a card. If you do, draw two cards, then mill a card.
−4: Spirits you control gain double strike and vigilance until end of turn.
Quintorius, History Chaser can be your commander.
Loyalty: 5

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His +1 is a discard+mill effect

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Crucible lets me discard the land for no loss in value

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Not mentionning I will discard and mill lands with 40 in deck

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so its like a colourless land most of the time

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compare to black reanimate, it is a lot more damaging than a white self mill deck

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the synergy is there but every cost so much to do

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and having a planewalker commander makes the deck weaker to most of the fair magic creature combat so there is always a window for others to kill quintorious if they can

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threshold is a mechanic i tried at times and i never got much success out of it, Tersa has haste but the threshold side is what kills it for me

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crucible is because i expect too much from it; decks that usually run it are green with multiple consistent land drops and the most expensive ones also do fetching for the double landfall or off the top of deck.
in here while i pulls from grave, it always need to discard a land first then crucible (one of the 99) to pull from grave

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so it is an unfair comparison for comparing the best sibiling to the inferior one

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quintorious probably disinterest me after how much i looked at it and feeks like it need 7 mana to do something, where there are B2 decks that just explode at that scale. lorehold is more about the consistency and synergy and i am not attending their historical class

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ideally, if spaced out those mana over the course of few turns, everything can be online by T4 T5 for the consistent token generation

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which i also had lot of nasty games where hasteless creatures are very underperformed due to all the white pillowfort effect and the white deck doesnt have the removal for all the enchantments (or is the one playing the removals)

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[[terrain generator]] my hate on Drownyard temple's speed in consistency, i never got to use its ability outside of my [[!zirda dawn]] deck

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and then its just a one time ramp into play land

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i dont have a way to sac a land in boros

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Not a lot of ways, Except through the lands themselves

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my good utility lands are all card draws from war room to [[bonder enclave]]

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that was the deck where i pull off a 8 card infinite without

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whats that untapped artifact

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I'm always iffy about colorless lands with "Maybe this situation will happen once every 50 games"

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one of those.... ah find it basalt monolith

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Basalt and co should be used in cmc5+ commanders that needs to hit the field asap

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as someone who dont really play mono colour decks, and havent built a colourless deck

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i find that all monocolour commanders are basically 2 colours by default

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and 2 colours benefit enough from utility land, again War room, that i dont mind extra abilities even if unused as long as i can "cut a land" out of my deck

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so if my deck is playing 35ish lands, in game i am actually down to 30 ish

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i hate lands and outside of landfall, my land count havent been over 37

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Mathematical mistake lol

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nah its call being greed and mulligan for that playable hand (i usually dont need more than 2 since i run like 15 ramp rocks)

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i hate how 35 lands and i get flooded

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% is not absolute

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3 times with the same deck

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Its just statistics

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my shuffle skill need work

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i think at 3 mana, i need basically 2 (coloured) lands out of something and easy to pull off [[myraid landscape]]

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Myriad feels like you're losing board state so hard though

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i actually rarely had a bad game with myriad until i top deck it much later

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Ah, I grew up in a religious family and went the literal opposite way

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but at that point

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its topdecking a land

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i think my best comparison of drownyard is actually myriad landscape weirdly

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first, get rid of it, then your land count can go up by 1 with 3 mana

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so it depends how it was gotten rid of in the first place

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Commander will do that

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easily

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but the biggest deal is because i try to cut out lands from the main deck

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so in your case, by combination commander's mill 1 draw 2

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you get to dig 3 deep each time

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myriad is only 2 lands and one time

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Myriad doesnt wanna get discarded for cost though

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yeah not unless you got out that crucible already

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so instead of bunch of random mill like timepiece

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you are going for the guarantee discard

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as long as crucible doesnt go away, you can discard lands all game

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Commander and these will discard it to grave

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yeah i know you have lot of discards

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wasnt it 13 before

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or i could mis remembered the number

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or counted something else

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I haven cut any from these since I've thrown you the decklist

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I've got my LGS tonight anyway so I'll let you know how it went. I got this and Silverquill to test, and I've fiddled with Queen Marchesa

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btw do you ever use [[loyal hound]] in a deck since you play white a lot

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it kinda feels better than [[farhaven elf]] and certainly much faster than sad golem

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or mana rocks completely kicks them out

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Yeah, mana rocks does the job but I'm warming up to land ramp, but it is conditional

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and drawing them when you are the 1st players always feels bad

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yeah unless you have a weird land sac theme

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which is now a jund or green combo thing

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so without green, do white want that in a non blind focused deck

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i can see in it a white land destruction deck

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You can still get around it with Bounce lands, Lotus Field, Urza's saga

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[[waste land]] an opponent so you both go down and then count another opponent for the catch up

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Thought about it but its a 4 players game

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yeah i would need to proxy urza saga, at least lotus field is now kinda cheap

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but it is also working well with archeaomancer's map

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which imo is the most important white ramp piece

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because it digs cards out from the main deck

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long story short, warhound seems very niche

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high enough power you have access to fast mana, so tapped land is at best rampant growth

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maybe hate bear B3 +

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but the good hate bear also stops etb...

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Strip mine is more a response rather than prevention though. You can't stop a player from playing a cabal's coffer/gaia's cradle and tap it for mana and you can't let them play out their turn if they already have it

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Its great vs Planets though

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Anyway, strip mine is to destroy the blue player's 2 blue open mana

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i havent seen much of the planets since i play locally

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and our local "meta" kinda learnt not to abuse the most broken land "mana combo" unless the table somewhat agrees to it

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its like the one group of more experienced and competitive player who had all the good stuff from long ago

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commander cube is something i enjoy a lot but not everyone has the time and effort to do that

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i would love the idea of building 4 decks that are relatively equal in power and match against one and other.... so i guess thats just custom precon for experience deck builder/player

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Only green and blue planet are relevant, but I've seen them enough to warrant a land destruction card in every deck

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sadly the "just in case" are usually not in my hands when required

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this jank think you got a way to use it? [[cryptex]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/251/cryptex

Cryptex <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact
manat, Collect evidence 3: Add one mana of any color. Put an unlock counter on this artifact. (To collect evidence 3, exile cards with total mana value 3 or greater from your graveyard.)
Sacrifice this artifact: Surveil 3, then draw three cards. Activate only if this artifact has five or more unlock counters on it.

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i thought of it in those "leave grave matters" commander themes but

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they all have green and better stuff

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the solved with 5 counter is the payoff which takes too fucking long

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could have been 3

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i think i seen like one within beast on a gaia's crandle in the past 5+ years i played

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who

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nice i can one for ... [[$crptex]]

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No card found for “crptex”

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the low price of [[$cryptex]]

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probably 65cents

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Honestly though, I wouldnt play it except in decks that can proliferate

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ahh the fun atraxa trying to be fun deck

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i feel like a fun to play against atraxa deck is actually meant to be bad

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but very synergistic to the point you have very little green and can run the deck without commander

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you cant focus on any theme because +1 counts you overrun the table

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super friends are awful to watch without taking long durdlely turns

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you can do a bit of everything but jack of all trade is what keep the interesting going for the rest of the table

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"i never seen that useless bad card before!! but with proliferate theme now it can do stuff!!"

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vanish mechanic for example

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I'm always looking into making a Police deck, where I can deal with everything and prevent people from winning all the time

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you corrupted cop 🤦 🤣

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i will try to bribe you

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Ticket the green player for speeding

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in my defense i am without in speed limit of [[muraganda raceway]] it was my driver's fault

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Esper is probably the best at policing the entire table constantly

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[[gingerbrute]]

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you can try colourshifted control

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Depends on the commander tbh

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like hate bears that doesnt have white 🤔

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saw this just now [[The Mind stone]]

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[[Mind stone]]

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someday the bot is going to confuse the two

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super mana rock that has a stronger teleportation circle on it

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sounds boring enough

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Boring garbage yeah

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The entire MArvel set will be trash

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hehe

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last night played against someone a month into the game due to Sonic hedge

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praised/preached about marvel fantastic 4

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penis breath too?

warped flare
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whats that smell i havent been to such glorious place

novel bramble
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Never kissed your girl after foreplay?

warped flare
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nerdy but hygeine seems fine, only a month into mtg after all. sounds like a big spender

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what do you mean you cant suck her dick and then kiss your gf?

novel bramble
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No judgment on that

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same no comment, nothing personal, not judging, no offense

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Back to nerd shit; I think they really dropped the ball with Hobbit too

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No precon, small set

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oh i didnt look at any of them

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The One ring as a box topper

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i rather have small sets instead of more spiderman

novel bramble
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I agree but Marvel

warped flare
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forced big sets but not enough to fill the package

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its like announcing "I am Asian, i only buy Magnum"

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Doesnt sound like the one wearing it

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why one ring box topper... is it that hard to sell

novel bramble
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that guy is at least 4"7' and those are two different measurements

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but i mean

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without the topper of the most wanted card

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is the box that bad

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no one wants it

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or the price point is automatically skyhigh with this "guaranteed" value from topper

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Big controversy with it too

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i havent looked at any spoiled and i only saw the precons from discord servers

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Its the same ring, reversed and with the symbols erased.

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so i am kinda not affected by much of the 2026 new cards

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with Dan Frazier's name slapped on it

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the heck the quality seems to dropped

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or pic is blurry

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i cant see those engravings on the ring

novel bramble
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its erased from the left ring

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but its the same one

warped flare
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just in case your card comes in SP condition

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the ring in the art indeciate that for you

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they are prepared for misprint and quality issues the moment it is spoiled!

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Bit of a difference between low quality and art stealing though

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idk if it is stealing or

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just that the ring is iconic enough to look like the same thing

novel bramble
warped flare
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it is mirrored but it need some prove that they match 1:1

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Look at the reflections on the inside of the ring lol

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because the left one not just looks better, something is off on the right one

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i know thats why i know its mirrored

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Anyway they already released a statement saying they fucked up. Can't be more proof than that

warped flare
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its like 2 people drawing the same egg, how do you know for sure one was copying

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ah great so it is admitted stolen

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better example

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its blatant lol

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because even with the same unmirrored image the newer version is lower quality

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the shape of the ring is closer to a bowl than a ring

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so idk how you copy/steal and made it worst

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lazyness

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people think Dan Frazier didnt even do the art but is taking the fall for WOTC

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well, the one ring is one of those auto include high power commander card that isnt worth its price tag or function in commander deck brewing

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i would proxy that one without a though if i have a deck or ever wanted to run it

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may as well put the big ass one of one in the middle if possible

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Its literally the #1 Gamechanger tho lol wdym

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pre brackets pre game changer, i already avoided all the GC cards because i dont find them fun

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if your opponents arent playing with high budget, it is not an accessible card for the majority, making it pay to win

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I understand but its still incredibly potent and can fit in 99% of decks

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if it is a $1 dollar card that everyone can use

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it is still taking up a slot in the 99

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i am here to brew with all 100 cards and i hate lands

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oh, and now i want the untap artifact/bounce synergy so i can do more broken things with the broken card

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I get it, but its worth its price

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sadly

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i may as well build the entire deck around that reuseable T pro

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should be reprinted in the main set of the hobbit tho

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nah never worth the price of a card i dont want to own or play

novel bramble
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not as a fucking box topper

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it belongs in a museum, no kids should touch it

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thats too

novel bramble
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especially with stolen art lol

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box topper ruins it

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XD wait til you see the rest of the set with 95% stolen / ai art

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Or who's getting blacked in the hobbit

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we need to convince the server that hobbit is using ai card so they cant post spoiler here XD

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getting blacked sounds wrong

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but politically correct

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i think?

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have you seen a few black guys in where you live

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the ones i went to school with are like the chillest "white" guys, you cannot tell at all over the phone/behavior/mannarism etc

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while when i hear my parents talk, every time they say bridge and beach it sounds more like bitch

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My job has more black people than white

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not my job, only in school

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if you didnt know

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more precons coming out

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not surprised

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no new cards, these precons are aimed at new players

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none of those interest me much

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oh rip

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at least good reprints?

novel bramble
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I think its a good idea tbh

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No clue, no deck list

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but give them one good mana base ffs

novel bramble
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but if we look at the last precons they did, it should be good decks to start playing the game

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Oh lol

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Look again

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you can still have really good utility lands

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i dont want to see the worst mana rocks

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diamonds enters tapped

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In mono-colored precons? doubt they would do that

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in the green deck too

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something not flooding all game

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I might get them, depending on the reprints

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i dont expect land tax getting another reprint by any means in a beginner precon but at least something like.... archaeomap or equivilent

novel bramble
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I think its a good way to get me some staples

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without proxying

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hopefully

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most commander staples are indeed mono colours

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Avacyn reprint?

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but staples makes B2 less interesting

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which the 8 drop one?

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indestructible would wreck new players

novel bramble
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Giada deck without Avacyn feels wrong to me tho

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i guess

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they can do other angels

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maybe the one that meld?

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or eldrazi too much to ask for

novel bramble
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Hm, I think they still arent doing dual-faced cards in precons

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even if they could

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yeah they dont that

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the only one was the every card is dual faced secret lair

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sleeves sold seperately

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Honestly though, at face value Angel decks feels like the best one by far

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considering Giada is top 20 commanders

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and everything else is lol.

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Not even top 200 I think

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and i have at least 2 years worth of games where each one is just dying to flying beaters

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if we dont count the sudden end of infinite combo or weird alternative wins

novel bramble
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always the unblockable beaters

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yeah mono green being unintersting is opart of it

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too many legends everything is commander

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artifact? planeswalker? sorcery? vehicles

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everything is commander

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or enters and becomes a land with 5 counters of being asleep

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enchantment we have backgrounds

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room saga etc

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battle is one we yet to have

novel bramble
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Its shit so I doubt we'll see them again

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comeon battles are like bad planewalkers that can be fun

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some has good synergy if the commander also do thing

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I meant as a mechanic

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oh

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some battle are just worse tutors/boardwipe

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maybe they need burn outside of red to remove counters

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it kinda have to be (lesser version of the original effect)

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since it spread its power across a free speed on the back

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but currently the sidequest is bit much

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not worth getting that backside when you can do direct damage

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i want to see indestructible/hexproof battle

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and just ways that are meant for getting battles by removing those counters as an effect

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beyond those niche black spells

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gtg, I don't think we'll se anything new from them this year tbh. Reality Fracture's gimmick is just wrong-color planeswalkers, Star-Trek is gonna be more Spaceship vehicles.

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👋 cya

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i have enough toys from FF and whatever, just trying to buy the things that are still cheap before they go up in price and fade out of grasp of the avg budget player

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Back from LGS:
-Silverquill loss
-Lorehold Win
-Queen Marchesa Win

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Silverquill game, the 1st player ramped like crazy and had the commander that makes X Goblins with haste everytime you cast a non-creature spell. He had the exodia and I wasnt able to stop him even with a Meathook massacre

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other 2 guys were very low skill and no interaction

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Lorehold was great because the 2 other guys had PTSD from last game and hard-focused the winner. I was able to constantly make spirits with Crucible, Currency converter and Squee. Ended the game with Moonshaker cavalry and 12 spirits.

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The deck felt weak to flyers though, so there's that to be careful of.

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I think adding a couple of interaction and flyers would help. [[Luminous Broodmoth]], [[Hardened academic]] [[Erode]]

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Erode work as a ramp spell too since I can just kill one of my spirits if needed lol

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And lastly, Queen did Queen stuff. I won through Deflecting palm, and casting [[Flashback]] on my [[Angel's grace]] to survive

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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luminous is a weird one because it doesnt work with tokens and without sac outlet it just a revealed double protection sort of undying effect

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i need to rebuild a new player friendly deck where i dont have to explain each of my long ass janky cards with hardly any board presence

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i am better off sneaking in values and just overwhelming as if i am playing colour shifted simic

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at least the game isnt going to last 2hrs by default

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the some of those precon and secret lair (that really attracts beginners to the game) are too mentally taxing and intense to play with. so the turns just keep getting longer with each attack declared if there are no boardwipes

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along with bad threat assessments and no interactions

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what do you think is "beginner friendly" but able to progress the game? symmetrical burn?

warped flare
zealous ridgeBOT
novel bramble
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Token stop existing in the grave is a state based action yeah?

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Or is it something else that prevents them from returning

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NEW PROJECT: [[Marchesa the black rose]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/248/marchesa-the-black-rose

Marchesa, the Black Rose <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
Dethrone (Whenever this creature attacks the player with the most life or tied for most life, put a +1/+1 counter on it.)
Other creatures you control have dethrone.
Whenever a creature you control with a +1/+1 counter on it dies, return that card to the battlefield under your control at the beginning of the next end step.
3/3

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I wanna make a deck with all 3 marchesas, plays them all in a row at an LGS, like telling a story

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I'm gonna start with the Black Rose, and I have choices; Either I go +1+1 counters go wide, or I go aristocrats shenanigans abusing the Dethrone mechanic

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I'm not interested in the aristocrats part; I'm already working on the new Dina.

warped flare
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dies, then phase out of existent

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gtg bye

novel bramble
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Time to cut

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I'm going the weakest version; put creatures on board and turn them sideways

warped flare
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D:

warped flare
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but in a weird way, marchesa provide this [[together forever]] effect from grave

zealous ridgeBOT
novel bramble
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Yeah I've got a couple

warped flare
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my favourite version used to be

novel bramble
warped flare
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[[great gargadon]]

zealous ridgeBOT
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Got some haste-enabling shenanigans

warped flare
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1 mana "sac outlet" that cannot be interacted with

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interesting no anger but double boots

novel bramble
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Can't send anger to grave

warped flare
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shroud hexproof is already super protective

novel bramble
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Its for the haste

warped flare
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fair nuf

novel bramble
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Swiftfoot might get cut just cauz it cost mana to equip