#Need help cutting card in my Evelyn the Covetous deck

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warped flare
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in terms of rate, 4 mana for a land is just bad

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no creature/artifact/sac synergy

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3 mana for card draw, bad, 4 mana for mana1 ramp, bad

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i assume mr negative can draw a minimal of 5 cards if somone else life total is lower

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but how to lower their life is the question

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its not that your opponent dont want to hit you

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its that they dont want you to swap life with themselves after they hit you

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they want your life to be low, and their own life to be lower

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its a dethone type of situation

novel bramble
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Goodbye sad Robot, only Bello loves you

warped flare
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XD

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he blames you

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your choice of card quality is too high

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only the green deck wants land ramp

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[[vizkopa guildmage]] i find boring

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novel bramble
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Ramp last we said

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Its a win con

warped flare
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yeah just so happens to be in the draw section

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so sad golem took the hit

novel bramble
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Always collateral

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Maybe Ketramoze

warped flare
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the exile = draw is lot of synergy tho

novel bramble
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I don't blink that often, and exiling other creatures will surely be done during their turn

warped flare
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is it one or more

novel bramble
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9 blink cards is not a lot

warped flare
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or fareware removal grave + field draws 2

novel bramble
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Its one or more AND only during my own turn

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I got better draw engine I think

warped flare
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you can always path sword on your turn

novel bramble
warped flare
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🤦 fine you dont need to

novel bramble
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I was the dude with tons of traps/spell speed 2

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I don't play during my turn

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(Still not a blue player)

warped flare
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you are playing blue with the control XD

novel bramble
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Ok, only Darkstar Augur could go, I think the draws are done.

warped flare
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protection spells are just ocunterspells

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counterspells are spot removal

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removal is how blue decks works

novel bramble
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[[Inkshield]] Dont need I think

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novel bramble
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Its fun tho

warped flare
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thats remove an opponent's turn

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and turn it into your win con

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meta game card because its weak against not combat based decks

novel bramble
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Lets be honest, how many games have you played without anyone playing creatures

warped flare
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otherwise i think its basically flawless in commander

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but its care about lot of damage going through

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and in your direction

novel bramble
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I once did it to a Tifa player

warped flare
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i consider [[blood artist]] a staple at my tables

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novel bramble
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Aristocrats is kinda rare at mines

warped flare
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so i dont run zulaport because i dont often generate that many creatures

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but i would just run blood artist alone

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i dont need artistocrats, i only need to stop one opponent from doing a sac combo loop

novel bramble
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I get you

warped flare
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which also happens to be someone who runs all the fetch shock

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because "he can"

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so in the same way, inkshield depends on opponent

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it require no synergy from your deck other than the colour mana

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it probably fits closer to a "boardwipe"

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"if opponent has creatures, they have no affect on you this turn"

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the flying can benefit from it but most importantly because of what negative does, i think your opponent wants to one shot you at lethal range

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so you can maximize the fog into tokens payoff

novel bramble
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But, on the other hand

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no synergies with the deck

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need to cut

warped flare
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it synergize with commander technically

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just not with the 99]

novel bramble
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[[Herald of eternal dawn]] Sounds too pricey for the effect

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novel bramble
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IM dumb, its the same cost as Platinum agnel

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and flash

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36 creatures feels way too much for the deck

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[[Primaris Eliminator]] What happens if I blink this guy during end phase? does the -2/-2 apply still?

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warped flare
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yeah i figured that plat angel/ a lich effect will get cut eventually

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and since your boardwipes mostly affect yourself, small creatures are likely to get cut to

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until end of turn so yes

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its the in between of chapucabra and massacre wurm

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i think wurm is on the higher cost side, so i think you want to cut that over this, but the life lost can be a win con

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so its kinda perferrence

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but its also target player

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so the affected board is significantly smaller

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if you want lowest cost mana efficiency, chapucaba.
slightly higher with flexibility eliminator
highest cost, highest payoff but most conditional (does nothing against 3 toughness) wurm

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so the risk and reward are somewhat reversed and disproportional, since wurm has the highest risk at the highest cost

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i am lazy and would cut 2 of the 3

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i almost always go for the exile option unless its mass removal

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unless there is no white/low mana cost

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i try to not 1 for 1 and i dont run [[path to exile]] most of the time

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warped flare
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the few times where i do play white

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instead of [[solitary confinement]] i think i would go for [[solemnity]]

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warped flare
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just to make it hard for anyone to really make a big creature to swing with into lifelinkers, and its a lock with phyrexian unlife

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[[gray merchant]] is kinda whatever, its one of the easy win cons, but it depends on how much black permanents you play

zealous ridgeBOT
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Multiple cards match “gray merchant”, can you be more specific?

warped flare
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here it is not the best

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and you were trying to do heavy interactions too

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probably not a devotion deck

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i have done kaya ghost form + [[grafted wargear]] onto [[massacre wurm]] in a single turn

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warped flare
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how to spend 10 mana and not win on the spot, but with [[massacre girl known killer]] out i drew like 8 cards and won on the next turn

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warped flare
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the life lost was relevant in my case

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, not so much with mr negative imo

novel bramble
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I did a quick pass, 26 cuts left

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I'll keep the dont lose effect for now

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ill cut 1 boardwipe for now as well

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8 is the magic number to see one in a game anyway

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Primaris surely. since he costs a lot and is quite fragile

warped flare
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technically 6 is enough i think 8 you will see 3 if the game last long enough

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primaris is your cut?

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i would have cut the other 2 lol

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i guess you are keeping the small one then

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[[torment of hellfire]] the top of antidramatic cards

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warped flare
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with no counterplay in commander

novel bramble
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wym, just discard your hand bro

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X=10

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I wouldnt cut Massacre Wurm just yet. It's a lot stronger than Primaris

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board in boardwipe usually means everyone

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Primaris is too narrow

warped flare
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its a card that say "if you have mana, you win the game"

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"if your opponent are extremely ahead at the moment you play this card, they are barely alive and you are about to win if they dont have a combo in their hand"

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so its actually more antidramatic than most X spell because it is a burn spell at 1/3 the cost

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if it is seen more in an avg game, i wouldnt be surprise if it is a gamechanger

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or a 1vs 1 type of card

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[[$torment of hailfire]]

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warped flare
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one of the few cards i dont mind if it stay high in the price tag because it is one of those competitive upgrade

novel bramble
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Since I got a lot of draw, I can probably get away with less lands

warped flare
novel bramble
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😎

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Owm to Drought city

warped flare
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i want to see you play a deck that only has utility lands and basics

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no MDFC

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and how much you struggle when you mana screw yourself

novel bramble
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Me with Bello/Frodo before I knew what MDFC lands were

warped flare
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but at least bello dont have the hellbent problem

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i never really have to play 15+ draw and still be scared of running out of cards

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its relative to how much your opponent draws

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the first person to have 3x more than the table's card draw is most likely to win

novel bramble
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Its not about running out of cards lol

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its about going through your deck

warped flare
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then you may as well play tutors

novel bramble
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No space

warped flare
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for that ygo experience

novel bramble
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YGO is 75% tutors

warped flare
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75% is that decade ago?

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close enough, but i felt like it was 95%

novel bramble
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Were you there during the Upstart Goblin era?

warped flare
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5% on the luck

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you dont need upstart, only play it if you think 40 cards is too many

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i like janks and underrated things, i am nearly 45 cards singletons so i have no room for deck thinning cantrips

novel bramble
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45 cards in a ygo deck sounds like suicide to me

warped flare
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realistically, chicken game + all the draw is more like digging for exodia

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so the deck is really 25 cards at most

novel bramble
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Oh yeah, you've unlocked a fun memory about Exodia

warped flare
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and you are looking for the exact 5 card combo

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commander 100 cards is already too few after all the staples sol ring arcane signet and lands

novel bramble
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You tell me. Thats how I feel when I need to cut the last 10

warped flare
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so i have no reason to thin out of deck unless its on a land/ mana slot

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cut sol ring easy

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you were thinking about cutting a land

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instead of a 7-8 drop

novel bramble
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Leave the fat asses alone

warped flare
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and i am like "hmmm how do i make [[grave betrayal]] viable? "

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warped flare
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i have a 100% loss rate with that game in case i never told you

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i have stolen 0 creature in the 3 times that i have played it in my life commander career

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most recent time they had a Kouselik eldrazi which shuffle the grave back into the library before i can take it

novel bramble
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Skill issue

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Even if I would cut 3 lands I'd still have 22 other cards to cut

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ffs

warped flare
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i know i can cut 30 out of the 41 in less than half an hour, but it doesnt match your way of cutting at all

novel bramble
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You'd probably sort by price and cut from the top knowing you

warped flare
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how come you never play [[wall of root]] [[[[devoted druid]]

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warped flare
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nah, i wouldnt cut bolas in a B3 deck

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price is the secondary reason, the primary reason is usually the category-type ratio and the fun it brings to a game

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salt -- fun scale

novel bramble
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wym about these green spells

warped flare
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all the cards you have here are powerful quality cards, so once you cant compare the power level

novel bramble
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Devoted Druid is an infinite in Shelob

warped flare
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its down to how many removal/ramp/draw you want

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i see you play all the 1 drop mana docks in like every deck for that T2 play

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but not so much for just ramp [[wall of root]] style

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novel bramble
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Both cannot be played T1

warped flare
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4 toughness and up to 4 mana per round is really nice

novel bramble
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Wall of root is once per turn?

warped flare
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now all decks need to start playing on T2

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not

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per round is 4 turns

novel bramble
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Oh ok, because green usually plays so much during others turn

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Its not bad btw

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I like that its instant

warped flare
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thats why up to

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most people's welcoming vampire is drawing 1 per round

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i prefer 3 mana draw at least 2 to put one into the deck

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if i can only get 1, then i go to consider the price tag to see if it is worth it

novel bramble
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Anyway, wrong deck

warped flare
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pretty much why i never brought the elk

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i mean you dont have to rush for the earliest turn to play something

novel bramble
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Can I cut 22 lands

warped flare
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ofcourse i fail to see the problem

novel bramble
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Magic greatest flaw imo

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lands

warped flare
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there are long essays about why it makes magic fun

novel bramble
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Imagine: You play 100 cards of your choice, no lands

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Cope

warped flare
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as a ygo player i can say i hate it but its also the reason why magic can be fun

novel bramble
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It can also be really unfun because of that

warped flare
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i think in ygo terms, all cards below 3 mana is mana0

novel bramble
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last LGS I played my Bello

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T5 I had drawn only lands

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started with a 4 land hand

warped flare
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and its not fun to play ygo solitary is it

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competitive and fun has its balance

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at that 1 mana rate efficiency, fast mana, it sort of branch into the cedh range

novel bramble
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[[Tainted Sigil]]

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warped flare
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thats why B2 is my main focus and i skip all the good removals like elephant gift, beast within, sword etc

novel bramble
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Feels like a good artifact to drop

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Lots of group slug decks nowadays

warped flare
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yeah its just a delay combo piece/ save yourself

novel bramble
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I think [[Near Death experience]] is also too hard to pull off

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warped flare
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only matters if all player loss life but at that point its a win more

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i think its too easy but its interesting

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both are think i would have kept XD

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but i expect you to cut

novel bramble
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Dont wanna cut Sigil tho

warped flare
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i should just show a version of what i keep and those are everything you would cut

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but i didnt copy this one to make changes

novel bramble
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Near death is mostly because most of the dont lose cards still drop me at 0 or below

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not 1

warped flare
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but you just need to go to 1

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with pay life effect

novel bramble
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Angel's Grace and Stunning Reversal are the only spells leaving me at 1

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Right

warped flare
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so without lich you still can do it

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thats why i think its too easy

novel bramble
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Dunno why I forgot that

warped flare
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but an interesting archievement unlock moment

novel bramble
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It does feel boring to win like this tho

warped flare
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less boring than X spell

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and more counterable

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boring and fun is determined by intractability

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and lot of other factors

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going to eat

novel bramble
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I'm taking a look at Rachel's Deck. wtf is that

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nvm, B2

novel bramble
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[[Aerial Extortionist]] Could be interesting

zealous ridgeBOT
novel bramble
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[[Protector of the wastes]] too

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warped flare
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were both in raechal's deck

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some interesting choices for sure, link me

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aerial extortionist is something i know but too far out of my colour to try. i didnt know about prote wastes, but it just feels like angel of ruins with alternative utility so i would stick to the OG because i dont need to get a new card and worry about how to hard cast it

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cycling makes reanimate so easy

novel bramble
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No reanimation tho

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ProWaste is 1 mana less which is why I considered it

warped flare
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yea, i think you can use it to replace some single target removals

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both are cards that dont come to my mind naturally, white colour pie is the barrel i dont dig for 😛

novel bramble
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Boardwipes to 7

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I honestly dont wanna cut any of them now

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I traded a few blinkers for more instant ones instead

warped flare
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7 is a good number to be on

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i will take another quick look

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7 was one of the number i predicted

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sometimes its good to hold removal until the last moment

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i do prefer as few as possible because they tends to drag out the game

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if lacking a win con in hand

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consecutive wipes are the most painful things

warped flare
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would you cut [[psychosis crawler]] & / or [[tainted remedy]] did you plan out when you want to do life swap. i think those are repay in kind with extra steps
whenever you prefer life gain or card draw, because it changes how it interact with those wound reflection effects on at least one target opponent if not the rest of the table. they are sort of like a 2 card combo , double gain or close to 100% life lose
can cut [[fellwar stone]] 16 should be enough ramp

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warped flare
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i think authority consuls is a good cut

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because gaining life just gives a reason to swing at your life total

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and no one is going to give free card draws for a few extra life

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not too sure how to deal that last point of damage after each opponent goes to 1

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i guess burn is the win con in all those cases

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secretly a red deck

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punisher style, no one else but you can gain life

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if he gains life, he will lose back what was gainned

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if multiple cards say the exact same thing, something needs to be cut

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between blink, burn, and interaction, something will need cut if you cant take away from ramp, draw and boardwipes

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worst case that like the entire section 😅 i dont think you have the room for doubler

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there are only like 7 creatures that has a ETB at this point, so 9 blink spell is on the higher side

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esp since those are meant for targetting the commander

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[[distinguished conjuerer]] is overcosted but repeatable, eldrazi displacer can target opponent's things, [[parting gust]] ditto. [[cloudshift]] is a maybe, i feel like [[conjuerer closet]] isnt doing that much in this build

zealous ridgeBOT
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No card found for “conjuerer closet”

warped flare
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cant name this one [[astarion the decadent]] is another redundant ability when it c9mes to double the burn

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warped flare
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oh it is the real name, thought it was reskinned with new name

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with all the scaling removal, i expect something similar to [[skyclave apparition]] to be gone too

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warped flare
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not that much room for generous gift when there are already anguish unmaking

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and other ways to remove main targets (usually creature in my case)

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i would leave that to the boardwipes

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i think its one or the other between [[children of korlis]] or the tainted sigil

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warped flare
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type is irrelevant since it will basically never be a blocker

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your own boardwipe also kills it so it just stays in hand all game until you prepare to lose lot of life

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if you even doom whisper /bolas citadel it out, then it just double the amount of life you can use

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but for playable purpose, it is again redundant as a worst sigil

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the 2 mana difference shouldnt be an issue

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most of the time

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thats roughlly another 10 cards

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while i can probably find another 5 but i doubt those are things you want to cut

novel bramble
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Repeatable blink is something I'd like to keep, especially with all the etb effect I have, it will be useful to have.

Already had eyes on Astarion. He's good but costs too much for a surprise double burn. Wanted to use the Secret Lair art for the funnies because that's some thirst trap art. Helps during politics too.

Skyclave is too good as a repeatable Removal that I can blink

Generous gift is also a nono, lots of people are using the new Planet Lands now, and you can respond to the station effect. Hitting lands is important.

I'll read the rest later. gtg

novel bramble
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Now. Childrens and Sigil. They both are "what if" cards rather than explicit gameplans. They can both save my life at instant speed. Can comboish with Negative for a big boost in life if needed. If nothing else, both cards would be good in my meta because Hearthull and Yshtola and a few other group sluggers are popular.

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So knowing my tables its hard to cut them off

novel bramble
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Alright ive cut a few more, notably the dont die cards that leave me at 1 life but doesnt prevent me from losing more because I think its too easy to circumvent

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Which means that the 1life wincon also had to go sadly.

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Its still viable but to be homest I wouldnt like to win like this anyway

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Some ramp too

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I have now entered... THE LAST 10

warped flare
warped flare
novel bramble
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11/5 Marchesa btw

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Won on a Rakdos+Reverberate+Display of Power. Wipe the whole table

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Rakdos charm*

novel bramble
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Anyway, I'm done with Negative for now, I'll cool my head while its printing in the china sweat shop.

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I've got 3 other decks to make: [[Jin Sakai]] [[Inquisitor Greyfax]] and [[Doctor Octopus, Master Planner]]

zealous ridgeBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/sld/2226/jin-sakai-ghost-of-tsushima

Jin Sakai, Ghost of Tsushima <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Human Samurai
Whenever Jin Sakai deals combat damage to a player, draw a card.
Whenever a creature you control attacks a player, if no other creatures are attacking that player, choose one —
• Standoff — It gains double strike until end of turn.
• Ghost — It can't be blocked this turn.
2/4

novel bramble
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For Jin, I've never played around with Ninjas, but every lists plays around ninjutsu so I think its a boring path. Voltron is also a big no.
Ofc I wanna get creatures with Combat Damage effects, so I'll keep looking around.

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Inquisitor Greyfax, since I already have a Food Deck and a Treasure Deck (Had), now I'll make a Clue deck. Story time: The reason why I came back to MTG was because I wanted to play a WH40k deck, but the price made me cringe. Now that I can just proxy it I'll finally make one.

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Doctor Octopus, I'll finally bite the bullet and build a Dimir control bitch build. Eye-rolling cards that counters the whole effing table and make people quit playing Magic.

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Hence, this deck will replace Kefka, and Kefka will become my cEDH deck, because theres a chill guy at my LGS that loves cEDH and I wanted to make one to play with him.

warped flare
novel bramble
warped flare
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i prefer the "draw me like your french-girl pose" demon

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i havent got much games in the past few weeks

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not enough to test anything

warped flare
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unblockable is nice for value with small thing but the double strike is definitely the best part

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even for [[mask of memory]] you can really dig deep into the deck

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warped flare
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[[sword of once and future]] could be viable

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warped flare
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[[sword of wealth ]]

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warped flare
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there are already tons of looters and the one that are already unblockable goes even better with double strike + all sort of [[coastal priracy]] draw

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warped flare
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with lot of equipments it allows for all sort of equipment/aura cost reduction stuff to be used

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greyfax always turns into a clue token control deck, would be nice if you find overlap between those

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encore can make tokens to attack everyone

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and dr oct shares the problem with high drop commander, you can technically do anything as long as 45% of the deck is generating tons of many, . the villian anthem is nice but combat in commander is never that efficient/ effective. so naturally it may become a "red burn" style use up your hand and refill each turn. its like a wheel for up to 8 cards in the commander zone

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i think 7 mana drawing 6+ and you are happy

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so if you have to hold a powerhouse last card to save for later, like iconic rift, it would be hiddening lot of info

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if blue draw represent intelligent, this is the "in order to become smart, try dumb down yourself as much as you can at the cost of brain damage, and regenerating it to be even stronger"

novel bramble
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[[Shadow of the second sun]] thats a nice one

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warped flare
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yeah the untap is nice, but the draw wont matter?

novel bramble
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Well, the untap alone is already worth, and the draw when Doc isnt on board will always be appreciated

warped flare
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i am more so looking for low mana spell to burn my hand and explode with [[hide tide]] or something

zealous ridgeBOT
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No card found for “hide tide”

warped flare
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[[high tide]] 🤦 brain fart

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warped flare
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[[brain storm]] would be the fun jank i would add

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novel bramble
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With Shadow, it could still work

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Brainstorm is jank for you? lol

warped flare
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oops wrong name

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[[mind bomb]]

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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theres the one i was referring to in my head

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its still not waking up

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funny [[boltwave]] in blue i am all for this

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warped flare
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and giving yourself brain damage is the theme i am looking for

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but in the 99 without commander it is something you probably wont consider for the deck

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gtg to work bye

novel bramble
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ttyl

novel bramble
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[[Treachery]] is a very strong one too

zealous ridgeBOT
novel bramble
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Maybe the [[Monkey Cage]] + Astral Dragon combo would be fun in here

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novel bramble
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[[Astral Dragon]]

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warped flare
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warped flare
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monkey cage is fun, although iam not sure if the combo make the deck better since its a lot of high droppermanents

novel bramble
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AND if I have the land that taps for 2 mana its ramp

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Bounce lands are super good with this

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So I'm gonna try to put as much spells taht untap lands

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Free spells are priority, so the GC will be things like Fierce Guardianship

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If I play the monkey cage combo I mihgt need more tutors

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Cyclonic Rift is a hard one to pass too

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No Rhystic study tho, I decided I wouldnt go with the most boring ass GCs like Tithe and Study

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Free spells like Flare of Malice, Snuff out, etc

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Cantrips spells are kinda nonbo with Doc.

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I'll need wincons too, can't just dump my hands waiting for something

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Torment of hailfire, Rise of the Dark Realms, shit like that

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Omniscience is a big one

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Shit that give my spells flash is also pretty good

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Dimir ramp stuff

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aka garbage but w/e

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[[Psychosis Crawler seems very important for a win con

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What can double damage from effects like this?

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and is there anything else that can damage my opponents from drawing cards?

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By me drawing cards I mean

warped flare
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are we still talking about dr octo? because its harder to use fierce guard with an 7 drop

novel bramble
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Once its in it doesnt matter

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Its not that hard

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Anything that could get rid of Oct is worthy of being countered then

warped flare
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its fine, just that you rely on commander out more

novel bramble
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Well its important to refill my hand

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and i think it is less likely for people to counter commanders

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because you can still cast on other players turn

novel bramble
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We'll see how much space is left

warped flare
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but the value of cantrip will definitely decreae

novel bramble
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its by far the most cards I've put into an Assembly

warped flare
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if every card in your card basically say "discard to do something" you will still have a full hand at the end of your turn

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but using 7 mana for that is like a mid-later game wheel

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before T4 you are only playing with the 99

novel bramble
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I'll have enough by then

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Lots of good 2-3 drops

warped flare
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[[psychosis crawler]] is not a card i am too big on in general

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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it depends on how much control you have

novel bramble
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How do you ever win if you never add cards that win in your decks?

warped flare
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a 5 drop potential win con, and how low is your tables life total

novel bramble
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Do you stax your opponents to death?

warped flare
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i am not big on it because it depends on lot of things

novel bramble
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Its a removal target at the very least

warped flare
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i am not saying its not a good win con, i am just saying i dont favour that card

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if it is artifact synergy or cost less mana to play

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i would like it a lot more

novel bramble
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Thats why I wanted to know if there were double damage cards that could buff this one to more lethal damage

warped flare
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my play style burns my hand size so its a very small creature

novel bramble
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I know there are but I dont know their names

warped flare
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you cant really double "life lose" with the normal stuff

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there is a few but most of them are closer to wound reflection

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i will see what dimir has to offer when it comes to burn. it is usually notthe colour for burning 30+ life

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black has more drain

novel bramble
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Maybe in the new TMNT cards?

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Fucking hell lol

warped flare
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i dont even bother looking at the spoilers

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just want to play with what i have and already too much

novel bramble
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Its too much tbh

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I'm glad I went the proxy way

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all of that bullshit every month with new chase cards that are overinflated in price

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its cardboard at the end of the day

warped flare
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but even tho you avoided the price]

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you are still chasing tons of new stuff

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there is a certain level of fatigue and cost in that as well

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at some point, it will be possible to build B3-B4 with 0 game changers with enough powerful cards

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as much as i like [[mistvein borderpost]] in certain deck, its really not a great card. i think its best in decks that will miss land drop, this is probably a deck i dont want to miss land drops. playing a land is the easiest way to burn a card in hand without discarding

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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and for 3 mana rock, there are too many good utility stuff [[crowd crypt]]

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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of if you perfer blue mana for more controlling spells

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[[Y'shtola Rhul]]

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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🤔

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What would 2 endsteps give me?

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the idea of crawling dealing 16 in your dream

novel bramble
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A bit lazy but I'll be cutting stuff later

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haven't even added the gameplan yet and I'm already way above necessary

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Its the laziest list I've done so far

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I wanna play with the cards that do something when you draw, even if its simple like add+1 every time you draw

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[[Ominous seas]] for example

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Since its instant speed I can easily stack tokens like crazy on this

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and spawn krakens as necessary

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https://tagger.scryfall.com/card/bro/215
https://tagger.scryfall.com/tags/card/hate-token

Scryfall Tagger
Legions to Ashes (BRO #215) · Card

Community driven tags for the artwork and mechanical functions of the Magic: The Gathering card Legions to Ashes.

Art Tags:
• fallaji
• shield
• soldier
• spear
• and 6 more

Card Tags:
• single target instant/sorcery
• removal-nonland
• removal-exile
• hate-token
• and 2 more

Scryfall Tagger
hate-token · Card Tag

Magic: The Gathering cards tagged with "hate-token"

• Aether Snap
• Bloodroot Apothecary
• Break the Spell
• Crafty Cutpurse
• Crisis of Conscience
• Halving Season
• Kambal, Profiteering Mayor
• Kraul Whipcracker

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thats a tag i never really thought of before, i usually do the "same name"

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i think its a nice one if you know you have a clear disadvantage against tokens

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only ever used [[ominous seas]] with [[pir imaginative rascal]] basically never drew it in game before it is over

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if you draw 7 with it on the turn you play Dr octa it should set up nicely

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but with no cantrips in the 99

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its not very good synergy

novel bramble
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[[Toothy imaginary]] would fit well

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its technically a better version of those tenteacle get +1 counter on draw

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casmskulker is one of the few that is on-par since it is only 3 mana

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and in a weird way, even without pir in the 99, it is possible to shuffle your deck if you want to

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[[Oneirophage]] and heres a flying version

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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but thats 4 mana so

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give or take

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i think its by perference

novel bramble
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Yeah

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i think there are almost 10 version of those effect at this point

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Toothy is an easy winner since he Draws when he leaves

warped flare
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[[wizard class]] is the most flexible one i recall

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but its 9 mana

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or that thing you saw in spiderman with the Legenday typo

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its not really 9 mana because at 1 mana there are always turns where you have open mana and nothing to do

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the [[divination]] is arguablly the worst part

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[[Lyla holographic]]

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and lv 3 spending 5 mana then fail to draw after your main phase

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is what makes it looks bad

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otherwise, being a noncreature permanent makes it like 85% between than the rest

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better than*

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Yeah

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Especially Enchantment

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for someone like you who play all the mana dorks i doubt its that big of an issue

novel bramble
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I wanna find space for [[SPellskite]]

zealous ridgeBOT
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it looks so annoying

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having a 3-4 drop

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that becomes a big beater is hard to pass on

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i think skite is much stronger against certain table/players

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i have ways to play around it 90% of the time but it maybe the other way around for most people i come across

novel bramble
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Still, fun card

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its like a hexproof on board at the low cost of 2 life

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nah its a mean card more than a fun card

novel bramble
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Not only that, it can steal any aura or ability that targets

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thats the thing, it means no one else can cast aura/bump eff

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its stax in the end of the day until its gone

novel bramble
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Good, I'm aiming for annoyance with this deck

warped flare
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so you want more ygo in commander

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I'll find space for [[Wandering archaic]] too

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https://scryfall.com/card/stx/6/wandering-archaic-explore-the-vastlands

Wandering Archaic <:mana5:292901508796645386>

Creature — Avatar
Whenever an opponent casts an instant or sorcery spell, they may pay mana2. If they don't, you may copy that spell. You may choose new targets for the copy.
"Fly the path of nine birds."
4/4

Explore the Vastlands mana3
Sorcery
Each player looks at the top five cards of their library and may reveal a land card and/or an instant or sorcery card from among them. Each player puts the cards they revealed this way into their hand and the rest on the bottom of their library in a random order. Each player gains 3 life.

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thats my forte

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both spellskite and archaic are in my heliod group hug deck

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and i think i did told you about having [[shared fate]] in there

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warped flare
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the nonbo that makes everyone have a miserable fun time

novel bramble
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Cast spells but still need proper colors

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hm

warped flare
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and those spells are gone if shared fate is off the board, its like a bad [[uba mask]]

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warped flare
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but works with blue instant speed

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and more janks means they get locked harder because they cant remove it

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or just 7-8 drops

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most decks dont have that amount of mana

novel bramble
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[[Hydroman fluid felon]] weird card, ramp during not my turn

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warped flare
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i wish i know those spiderman reference

novel bramble
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I dont know that guy

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but his name is hilarious

warped flare
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fluid felon?

novel bramble
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Yeah

warped flare
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seems like sandman ripoff

novel bramble
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Pretty much

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whats this pokemon typing

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i feel like its just [[arcane signet]] with extra steps

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novel bramble
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Spiderman has been here for quite a few years, you start to get into the megaman names after a while

warped flare
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being a land on other players turn do make it into a very hard to remove "vehicle" on your board

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unless i am playing [[ashaya, wild]] i dont think i would have a place for it

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if there is a sorcery speed creature boardwipe, its will function like a man land and get a clean hit through

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which is a nice thing that blue lacks due to not having haste

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most non red decks without boots still somewhat struggle against consective boardwipes

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niche scenario but can happen

novel bramble
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Could try to get a flash engine going for more value out of this dude

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But its still just a 2 mana half-ramp card

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That will probably swing for 3 or 4

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Until I get an Omniscience down

warped flare
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yeah, got to make the thing that failed with evelyn come back

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are you going to show and tell [[omniscien]] out or hard cast ...

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novel bramble
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Hard cast probably

warped flare
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i cant think of a consistent way to playing it each game, will be hard to play a 10 drop in the 99

novel bramble
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Ramp and more ramp

warped flare
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worst of all, its a dead card when drew

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lets just say, if 55% of the 99 are mana sources, then it will also be hard to empty your hand

novel bramble
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Once its on the field tho it should be GG. I'd have more than enough pieces to protect it, and I'd fill my hand back to 8 every turn

warped flare
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so count it as a win con

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that is a nonbo with other mana ramp

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result = infinite + X mana

novel bramble
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I'm putting pretty much all the free spells I can find

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and some Discard outlets like Psychic frog

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https://tagger.scryfall.com/tags/card/rhystic
https://tagger.scryfall.com/card/all/23a i found this tag i wish i can make sure of that jank

Scryfall Tagger
rhystic · Card Tag

Magic: The Gathering cards tagged with "rhystic" - Effects that opponents can buy off if they pay mana.

★ Rhystic Study
• Aboleth Spawn
• Abuelo, Ancestral Echo
• Adrix and Nev, Twincasters
• A-Dwarfhold Champion
• Aegis Sculptor
• A-Emerald Dragon // A-Dissonant Wave
• Aether Barrier

Scryfall Tagger
Awesome Presence (ALL #23a) · Card

Community driven tags for the artwork and mechanical functions of the Magic: The Gathering card Awesome Presence.

Art Tags:
• tooth
• terisiare
• dominaria (origin)
• high five
• and 6 more

Card Tags:
• tax block
• rhystic

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[[Awesome presence]]

zealous ridgeBOT
novel bramble
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Thats a lot of words

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Chalk up a loss for Marchesa tonight. Exquisite blood engine made the game impossible to win for me in a 1v1.

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Buuuut I was able to [[Reprieve]] a x=10 [[Torment hailfire]]

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novel bramble
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Main idea done. Just gotta cut the grass now

novel bramble
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Stuck. Any ideas?

warped flare
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was mostly away yesterday and i just getting ready for my commander night today

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interaction seems overlorded

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overloaded

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can probably cut from the weakest ones or redundancy

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assume mana pips isnt an issue

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i dont see why a deck would run [[negate]] as the downgrade to [[counterspell] to the downgrade to [[mana drain]]

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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[[counterspell]]

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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for budget mana base, i would just be doing negate (ideally with cost reduction)

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slightly different purpose but overall there to removal opponents spell while you have open mana

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negate imo is more defensive because it cannot touch creature spell

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mana drain can become ramp and just get value

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so price tag aside

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counterspell is the most neutral removal for any blue players

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deck theme wise, the ones that can be cast for "free" at the cost of losing a card in hand just makes so much more sense

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running [[force of negation]] makes even less sense to run the "power down" negate

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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at that point i would rather hard cast negation than to put negate in the 99 if i have to

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and with medallion type of reduction it become that base rate 2 mana pips

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same logic can somewhat apply to similar removal/ counterspells. but since i am not a blue player i would easily cut those to fit my own play style with a single [[offer you cant refuse]]

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warped flare
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i think for you i would stay with mana drain to ramp out commander and force because of using cards in hand to reduce hand size

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i see [[cabal coffers]] which is very greedy when most lands are non swamp utility lands, so without the other piece, it cannot even generate mana on its own

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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if the 99 doesnt already run lot of swamp or multiple urborg tutor, i am not confident with coffers as well

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[[unable to scream]] is an odd choice, is there some hidden synergy

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warped flare
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i dont really see any villian related stuff

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flavour wise i am all in the weird fun stuff, but consider i see mana drain, it is one of those cards i would expect in a B3-B4 deck, i would generally keep the card quality up

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[[countersquall]] also feels worse than negate since it cannot be reduced by mana1

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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note that [[case of ransack lab]] is during YOUR turn to solve

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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4 spells is near impossible unless you set up a counter war

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and those 4 spells will not get the draw from solved triggers

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so i consider it to be a worse [[sapphire medallion]]

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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seeing things like [[reset]] i think you want to cast on opponents turn, not your own

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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with all the boardwipe focus and high cost commander that probably wont be on board the extire game, i dont favour [[deadly rolick]] even as a potential free spell

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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because it is a free spell i never want to hard cast if the time comes

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i would aim for low cost utility that may have synergy with my side

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[[$cavern of souls]]what an expensive basic land 😅

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https://scryfall.com/card/lci/269/cavern-of-souls

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warped flare
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are tehre any other villians in here

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[[theving skydiver]] generic good card, no obvious synergy tho

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warped flare
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can get stuck in hand in an unlucky game

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best case is usually the early sol ring steal

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high ceiling low floor, never want a 2 drop flyer as a fareie mastermind that cannot draw cards

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leyline feels odd because most of the deck is ALREADY instant speed

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and many thing also triggers on "opponent draw/cast" "beginning on your (step)"

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so flash speed means you get your boardwipe in full control mode, while having to hold those effect to a much worse timing

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if i run leyline anticipantion, i would probably have more sorcery speed stuff to begin with, but thats my perference

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[[talion the kindly lord]] generic thing that draws you cards, which i think the deck isnt great and getting rid of

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warped flare
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card draw also do seems to be on the higher side

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oh, i do see narset reversal, it technically dont trigger baral but thats the "counterspell" i play over counterspell all day

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i thik if you only want control, counterspell doesnt give that second chance to recast

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also cant stop boardwipe in that sense

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i think[[rise of the dark realm]] isnt that great of a fit when there arent many creatures to bring back

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warped flare
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it is a 9 drop afterall

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if its like a or two big things to bring back, i would go for the reanimate aura spells

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there is one that can be cast at flash spell if you sac it that turn

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[[tefera's ageless insight]]

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warped flare
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to me, this type of thing is way more explosive

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this can turn all the draws into much bigger options and even if you dont keep all the cards, your hand will be the best winning cards you can keep

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not having to use those means you are in a good spot

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if you are keeping sheoldred i think it make sense to turn it into a win con with [[windfall]]

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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balance out the win con with the overall 99 game plan

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have non instant spells somewhat increase the value from the leyline

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side note for a card you wont change, when there are few creatures, i dont usually try to use [[malakir rebirth]] since there are limited target, the tapped land is minor enough but it is also not inherently a swamp. = less synergy with coffers

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https://scryfall.com/card/znr/111/malakir-rebirth-malakir-mire

Malakir Rebirth <:manab:292901508872273920>

Instant
Choose target creature. You lose 2 life. Until end of turn, that creature gains "When this creature dies, return it to the battlefield tapped under its owner's control."
"Those who fail to escape Malakir become part of the city's defense." —Doros, expedition guide

Malakir Mire
Land
This land enters tapped.
manat: Add manab.
"Getting into Malakir isn't difficult. It's getting out that's the hard part." —Doros, expedition guide

warped flare
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[[pongify]] generic good card, why just one and not hydrolization as well or why not none, those are just things to consider

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warped flare
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[[sheoldred s edict]] giving opponent choice, in some decks it doesnt matter because it brings death triggers

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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here i think its meh at best, doesnt match the card quality

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if you want to use that cost reduction to the max, i would run exile instead of pongify destroy

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or just wait for the boardwipe and have even less single target removal

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mana drain /counterspell > free removal > creature removal > non creature removal

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double down on the blue side of the deck and ignore the black cards, or balance it out with more black in the 99

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makes the mana pips run smoothly before changing the lands/mana base & upping/lowing the mana ramp according to the cost

novel bramble
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warped flare
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i think i did like 35 in a green deck

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it was probably [[eltali primal conquer]]

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No card found for “eltali primal conquer”

warped flare
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[[etali primal conquer]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/mom/137/etali-primal-conqueror-etali-primal-sickness

Etali, Primal Conqueror <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Elder Dinosaur
Trample
When Etali enters, each player exiles cards from the top of their library until they exile a nonland card. You may cast any number of spells from among the nonland cards exiled this way without paying their mana costs.
mana9managp: Transform Etali. Activate only as a sorcery.
7/7

Etali, Primal Sickness
Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Elder Dinosaur
Trample, indestructible
Whenever Etali deals combat damage to a player, they get that many poison counters. (A player with ten or more poison counters loses the game.)
The contagion spreads and the Multiverse quakes.
11/11

warped flare
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it was too broken even on a budget; not fun to play against

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7 mana 5 spells storm counts

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and then a random flicker/ recast rise and repeat

novel bramble
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Check my considering section there might be something I already set aside

novel bramble
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More cuts done. Down to 8. Might stop now and think about it as its printing in the china swaet shop

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Next 2 decks, [[Jin sakai]] and [[Inquisitor greyfax]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/sld/2226/jin-sakai-ghost-of-tsushima

Jin Sakai, Ghost of Tsushima <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Human Samurai
Whenever Jin Sakai deals combat damage to a player, draw a card.
Whenever a creature you control attacks a player, if no other creatures are attacking that player, choose one —
• Standoff — It gains double strike until end of turn.
• Ghost — It can't be blocked this turn.
2/4

novel bramble
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I already have an assembly for Jin Sakai, but no plans yet. So i'll work on Greyfax for now. Clue tokens good stuff. I domt wanna go too outside the box on this one

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"You never go outside the box" blabla

warped flare
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could do both in one

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loimitation breed creativeivety

warped flare
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name was [[necromancy]]

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https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/131/necromancy

Necromancy <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920>

Enchantment
You may cast this spell as though it had flash. If you cast it any time a sorcery couldn't have been cast, the controller of the permanent it becomes sacrifices it at the beginning of the next cleanup step.
When this enchantment enters, if it's on the battlefield, it becomes an Aura with "enchant creature put onto the battlefield with Necromancy." Put target creature card from a graveyard onto the battlefield under your control and attach this enchantment to it. When this enchantment leaves the battlefield, that creature's controller sacrifices it.

novel bramble
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Finally got my cards! 5 new decks to try tonight

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And I realised as I was sleeving everything that I didn't actually finish Eriette

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I've made some quick cuts (In the sideboard

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Decided to cut all the boardwipes

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Token decks will be a problem

warped flare
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there are many effects but hardly any have synergy

novel bramble
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Need to cut anyway

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Its the final version, I'm currently cutting in the ramp cards

zealous ridgeBOT
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Multiple cards match “vial smasher”, can you be more specific?

warped flare
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[[$vial smasher the fierce]]

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warped flare
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i think if its just sac without synergy, i am okay with [[virtus s maneuver]] otherwise i would want target removal similar to [[run away together]]

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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i may even do [[whiplash trap]] for yugioh style "trap" card or just a big mana value synergy type of deck

zealous ridgeBOT
novel bramble
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Looks pretty good

novel bramble
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warped flare
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can you adjust the plain white mana symbol to become black

novel bramble
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Im pretty much set on not going the ninjutsu tribal way.

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There will be a couple since some combat damage effects are very nice, but overall Im just going combat damage stuff.

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Didnt wanna go equip way, theyre just there so I can check my options between tags

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Cauz double strike makes everything much stronger on equips

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[[Buster sword]] becomes Busted Sword

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warped flare
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extra busted sword

novel bramble
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Good balance of strong stuff I think

warped flare
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No card found for “mycrosyn garden”

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No card found for “mycro garden”

warped flare
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[[mirkwood bad]] is good although it is less appealing in here with only one kind of token

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warped flare
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[[royal assassin]] thats a random one i didnt think i would see

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warped flare
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as much as i like [[rise and shine]] it is somewhat contradicting with the sac clues game plan because you could end up losing most of the clues before turning them into creatures

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warped flare
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unlike* cyber awakener, it doesnt give flying making it a slightly worse win con

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and thats the other thing, mirkwood doing the sac thing has less synergy with the combat part of the deck

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the new vicseer that can sac artifact to surveil 1

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i like that

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it can get rid of clues or just dig deep without paying mana

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i wouldnt touch the engines so my cut would either have to be the instants interactions or from the creatures

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if you really have a hard time to find any cut, the artifact tutor is just a second copy of an artifact

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that doesnt really have synergy

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i meant fabricate, not the journal

warped flare
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there are so much control it feels disgusting 😅

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thousand year elixir only really have synergy with like royal assassin and commander

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everything having vigiliance i think i would cut that

novel bramble
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Thousand years is another way to reuse my commander If I dont have [[Sting the glinting]]

zealous ridgeBOT
novel bramble
zealous ridgeBOT
novel bramble
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You mean Golbez? He doesnt sac

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Or you meant [[Umbral collar zealot]]

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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if you consider those to be the main engine, they can stay

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my main cut would still be interaction instants/ lesser value creatures

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yeah zealot can be nice if you want to dig

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idk about kelp because it is a 7 drop

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inspired statuary cant cast artifact spells

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ifs its high cost win cons, i would prefer to go for something that is easier to cheat out

warped flare
novel bramble
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Blasphemy

novel bramble
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Another 612 proxies to send to the sweat shop

warped flare
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i guess you have stopped caring about price now that you can proxy anything

novel bramble
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Never cared

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I bought my two real decks, they are fine. but I have multiple reasons to proxy anyway

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Price for cardboard is insane, USA doesnt need my money, fuck WOTC and fuck Hasbro, etc.

warped flare
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more so in the sense that with unlimited budget, the building restrction is gone

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the limiter for "casual"/ low-budget is kind of out the window

novel bramble
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It always was though?

warped flare
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personally i sort of seperate the mana base and the core game plan

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because a suboptimal strategy at a high budget can still be weaker than a low budget well supported archetype

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while the best mana base (from fetch until all the way to Cedh fast mana) at a high budget cannot directly fix a weak game plan

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but if both side has no restrictions

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playing each best card in each scenario sort of breaks that casual fun environment a bit, ofc thats just speaking from my experience, i know nothing about your salty locals and how much indefinite powercreeping upgrade there are

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to me, if a card say "next turn you draw a card, you win the game" it is not much different from "when you draw your third card this turn, you win the game" because it would feel to easy to achieve

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which is why my decks are close to "when i draw 20+ cards, I MAY win the game within the next turn"

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i dont have the higher power pods to play with

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and a high demand for very interactive removals constantly

novel bramble
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Where are you going with this? my LGS has players from every caliber, from old veterans with OG dual lands in every decks to new players playing with very stron budget decks to randoms playing with crayons

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But the overall stat is everyone is playing Bracket 3 for the most part

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The pod I play the most with are all playing very strong decks usually

warped flare
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i cant keep track of the power you are aimming for anymore when the deck have very few restrictions

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how many interactions do you need on an average game

novel bramble
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and if a random with a janky deck arrives he's usually ignored while we try to prevent the others from winning

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Since Shelob the restrictions were lifted.

warped flare
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in my LGS, the moment someone pulls out of 10 spot removal (or boardwipes that remove over 10 things from a single player), the game sort of becomes miserable

novel bramble
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So pretty much all of my decks since

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We have very different groups then

warped flare
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i can get a deck with 30+ removal and a commander that allows repeatable cast to double that amount

novel bramble
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But I'll say that we have more veterans than new players

warped flare
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but that vision of playing the deck would be too staxy to say the least

novel bramble
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Usually when someone just has removals and nothing else we ask "Can you win?"

warped flare
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how much... room do you want to give your opponent to play the game

novel bramble
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I don't really play stax as you saw

warped flare
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i think stax would be better

novel bramble
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Its a very low % at my LGS too. I have seen 1 Glacial Chasm and 1 Bloodmoon so far, and few Eldrazies

warped flare
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since it would be more "symmetrical"

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target removal is more on the sabotage side

novel bramble
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Still, I'd say the most popular kind of decks are always creature heavy

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Few combo

warped flare
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yeah, creatures are fun

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and feels more fair

novel bramble
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2nd most popular are spellslingers

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but its not as clear

warped flare
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like burn?

novel bramble
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Yeah

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Burn is very popular

warped flare
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yeah, somewhat the same

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burn "feels" suboptimal

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until it is optimized

novel bramble
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Yshtola, Hearthhull are popular

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Omnath all strong versions

warped flare
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yeah yshtola is a popular one, although too many got too overworked so they dont appear in my lower power game anymore

novel bramble
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Still, I don't often see the same commander between different people

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lot of variety

warped flare
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the people i enjoy playing with the most are all having less fun playing at the local that are more competitive veteren

novel bramble
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You'd still have fun I'm sure. it's still casual

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I'm known for playing strong decks but nothing groan inducing

warped flare
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i like to bring at least one higher power deck (usually grindy af) and a fun jank, and a lower power. then everything in between

novel bramble
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and no one plays the eyes raising decks like UrDragon, Atraxa or Jodah

warped flare
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my games are messy enough for me to enjoy, some may not like my chaos and potential to politic

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i had some not-so-functionable atraxa and jodah games

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those were fine, but they are very much the kill on sight ones

novel bramble
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Even with unlimited budget I always restrain myself from playing the worst garbage, like I respect others enough to not put Dual lands or Gaia's Cradle in my deck

warped flare
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if their 99 is any better

novel bramble
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I never play Rhystic study or Smothering tithes

warped flare
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i think OG duals actually doesnt matter that much

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its a strictly better shock but

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its the mind set behind it

novel bramble
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They do when I think about the games I've lost on 2-4 hp

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Shock lands killed me where Duals would've given me a turn

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not often, but it wouldve mattered

warped flare
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i am not exactly talking about the game play but more on a

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for example

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[[!mana crypt]] is banned

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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but for the coin flip deck, i can ask my table if i can replace sol ring with it

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just so that it is a thematic card with flip a coin on it

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i can choice to play the [[bad land]] and not the shock version

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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i can play shock but no fetch

novel bramble
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I couldnt play no fetch tho

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Need that consistency

warped flare
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its not just one card, its like a entire system

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wanting the consistent is fine

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so that form of restriction is what makes a deck more .... cohesive? fun? unique? dont know

novel bramble
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For me? yes

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Don't wanna be restricted by the depth of my wallet

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and I wanna play decks that are still quite optimized

warped flare
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like if i have unlimited budget, if every card is $10+ dollars

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they kinda feels more devalued

novel bramble
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I'm also still in my learning phase

warped flare
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yeah i know

novel bramble
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so I'm learning everything I can playing a lot of different decks

warped flare
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i think keeping track somewhat is a good thing tho

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knowing that struggle between the $20 mana base and the $1500 mana base

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in an extreme example

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i think the few hundred is a nice place for a decent mana base as a challenge

novel bramble
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Thats what I did in the beginning with Frodo and Sam

warped flare
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instead of every triome in existence, it forces the brewer to pick which one they need

novel bramble
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and thats what I did with my friend Sliver deck

warped flare
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back to where i mentioned i have mana base seperate from the game plan stuff

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if the other part is also budget restricted somewhat

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i think thats where the competitive/salt/fun also lies on a scale

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none of them directly correlate but there is a connection to how a game plays to how much fun the table is having

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i remember having the Cedh player with the Cedh only decks saying "Yeah , i will play my deck and i just wont win when i can"

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that guy didnt come back after a few weeks XD he wasnt an asshole but that social interaction was horrible

novel bramble
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Thats just boring tho yeah

warped flare
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i think long story short, the information that players can gather in a game, pregame, will affect how a deck is preceived

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and overloaded-optimization of numbers of interactions may or may not decrease the fun value of the game

novel bramble
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So your main point is that I play too much interaction?

warped flare
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and then it is also a pain for myself to figure out what to play when i draw too many cards XD

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idk if it is too much

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but the MDFC greedy mana base + best X+Y cards, + generic things

novel bramble
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I guess the way I view things is that If I want to consistently see a type of card in my deck on every game, I'd need at least 4-5 of them

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so when I add 8 piece of interaction, I expect to see 2 during the game

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because statistics points to drawing 25% of your deck during a game

warped flare
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okay, those are some numbers i can work with

novel bramble
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so I see my deck as 4 separate piles

warped flare
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i will just some math out how many of each type you need and cut it by those numbers

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yeah, your deck is exact that

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i couldnt balance out each pile to another because there are no direct correlations

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and my own habit is like, looks like i want that 30 min last game in with close to 0 interaction deck

novel bramble
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I mightve lost the plot in my last few decks

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going for more control

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I mean, I don't play Blue usually

warped flare
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i think snail youtube had a video about that [[enduring monument]]

zealous ridgeBOT
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No card found for “enduring monument”

novel bramble
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and now I have made quite a few blue decks now

warped flare
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i completely understand his point but i like that card enough to still play it in a deck that can somewhat benefit from it

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[[endur monument]]

zealous ridgeBOT
novel bramble
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Yeah

warped flare
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each someday, every card in the 99 say something like that

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those decks will be super boring and hyper consistent

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commander wants draw, ramp, and a win con, oh this card does all 3 and you dont need to work hard for it

novel bramble
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I'm still discovering those cards lol

warped flare
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so the too easy "win the game with this card" feels a bit over saturated ? am i using the word correctly? in the 99

novel bramble
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The [[Icetill explorer]] of every deck of sorts

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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XD yeah i feel conflicted on ever

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gettting that

novel bramble
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Kinda why I like interaction too, to kill these kind of 3-in-1 cards

warped flare
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i am probably willing to play triple the price for something i find more "fun" [[$icetill explorer]]

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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i stopped doing lot of target interactions and just do wipes that take cares of that one problem player's board

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[[extinction event]] i really like rn and want to play it more

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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too bad i dont own [[jey medallion]]

zealous ridgeBOT
novel bramble
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[[Vats]] is also a card I've discovered and Like a lot

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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yeah i havent drew it yet

novel bramble
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Instant boardwipe is quite something

warped flare
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it was the top deck that could have saved me the week before

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tru

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i want to get cards like [[sudden death]]

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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wait

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wrong name

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[[sudden spoil]]

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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there

novel bramble
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Yeah

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Combos with Vats and pretty strong still if you have blockers

warped flare
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i need my reprint for that 😭 [[$sudden spoil]] this i may want a proxy of

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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i do want a stack of the master multiplied tokens XD

novel bramble
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rofl

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Pxoying tokens is fun, theres a lot of art for them

warped flare
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all the anime ti++y waifu ai artyes... lot of art

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i think with all the alt art, UB stuff

novel bramble
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You can make your own too. I made some Cabbage tokens for The Cabbage Merchant deck

warped flare
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it will be hard to even know whenever those are proxy or just another version

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XD yeah, i didnt watch avatar

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she can bend cabbage right?

novel bramble
warped flare
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you are suppose to use this gif

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[[sho hakku]]

zealous ridgeBOT
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No card found for “sho hakku”

warped flare
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[[Hakku]]

zealous ridgeBOT
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No card found for “Hakku”

warped flare
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[[haiku]]

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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i want to play this card XD looks so dumb

novel bramble
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Its a Haiku alright

warped flare
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idk how to make it good but it is silly enough

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dredge

novel bramble
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Maybe synergy with Lessons?

warped flare
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there are no lesson in commander, commander players never learns

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still no sideboard

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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bad [[unwind]] is playable

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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[[rewind]]*

zealous ridgeBOT
warped flare
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i dont really have a deck for rewind 🤔

novel bramble
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It fits in any deck with blue

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All the spells that untap are just so good

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Then again, free spells are good who couldve knwon

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My new toy that I wanna jam into every blue deck is [[Shadow of the second sun]]

zealous ridgeBOT
novel bramble
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Horrible writing tho