#Recommendations for Sauron, The Dark Lord.

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meager cairn
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[[temple bell]] [[press the enemy]]

halcyon obsidianBOT
steep parrot
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temple is again infinite with mind over matters

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but opponent can draw into interactions too

meager cairn
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Yeah

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Maybe drop relic of Sauron?

steep parrot
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so it somewhat overlaps with the one ring infinite where only you draw

meager cairn
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It is mini card draw and two mana

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For 4 though

steep parrot
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but mana rock stays around longer ><

meager cairn
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Takes two turns to pay for itself

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That is true

steep parrot
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and anything that untaps

meager cairn
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Yeah that is nice

steep parrot
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turns your discard from mind overmatter into a ritual

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so i dont think i can take out anything that takes for 2

meager cairn
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Drop Chimil maybe?

steep parrot
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taps*

meager cairn
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Not enough permanents that could use Chimil

steep parrot
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maybe, if you need that fast mana

meager cairn
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Cheat out some enchantments and some creatures

steep parrot
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it does get pass your lands on the top deck

meager cairn
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Yes

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And could leave me mana dry

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Might drop it

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For bell

steep parrot
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chimil is the slow payoff in the deck; because lot of low curve stuff

meager cairn
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Yes

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I think I’ll drop it for bell

steep parrot
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yeah that make sense

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since draw synergize with like almost

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every creature in your deck lol

meager cairn
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Swap out bone miser?

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And waste not?

steep parrot
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hmm i think bone miser is fine

meager cairn
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Left over discard

steep parrot
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waste not more conditional

meager cairn
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Alright

steep parrot
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i will do a quick test on waste not but it is probably the cut

meager cairn
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Alright

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I’ll do the same

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Works against certain commanders but relies on DISCARD not just entry into the graveyard

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Which is meh

steep parrot
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4 cards specifically discard opponents hand, unless you overdraw them on the end step

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they are probably not discarding much

meager cairn
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Yeah

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So I think that is the weak link

steep parrot
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without jin gitaxas, it make sense to cut waste no

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not

meager cairn
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Yes

steep parrot
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ahhh now i get why archon of cruelty was in the deck before

meager cairn
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Yes

steep parrot
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took me long enough

meager cairn
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lol

steep parrot
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[[archfiend of ifnir]] can be consider a board wipe in your deck

halcyon obsidianBOT
steep parrot
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repeatable one at that

meager cairn
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Yes but draws immediate attention

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And we lack the discard now

steep parrot
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just that being a permanent makes it hard to play out

meager cairn
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Yes

steep parrot
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but it basically doesnt count as a creature

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it is a potential cycling into living dead reanimate target

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which you dont run in here

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living dead + ifnir is my double boardwipe i play in my discard aggro deck

meager cairn
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lol

steep parrot
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now you know why i cant politic, i destroy too many things

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ohh

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just realized that mill may work in your flavour?

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not sure

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[[mesmeric orb]] is kinda hated by the table

halcyon obsidianBOT
steep parrot
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dont think it is worth and really hard to control

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dont need it since it messed with mind over matter too much

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unless you know it will be gone for sure

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so it takes the hit away from gilded lotus getting the removal

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[[voltaic servant]] first time seeing this card, interesting way of getting that [[unstopable plan]] effect

halcyon obsidianBOT
steep parrot
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if you ever want to do that control plan, rather than wheel

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i think unstoppable is right up your alley

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😩

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disgusting blue players XD

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[[manifold key]] is that cheaper version of screwdriver but its more meant for pure artifact combo decks that would use clock of omen

halcyon obsidianBOT
meager cairn
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I think where we have the deck now is actually really good

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Would just have to try a few games out and see how it does and then go from there

steep parrot
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yeah those last few cards are more so

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for making a control deck with combo rather than wheel

meager cairn
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I know it can still be improved but I gotta test

steep parrot
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thats the direction you didnt/couldnt take

meager cairn
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Yeah

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Next one maybe

steep parrot
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do you own [[tezzeret the seeker]]

halcyon obsidianBOT
meager cairn
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Or just have two decks same commander

steep parrot
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^. yes best thing ever

meager cairn
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Tezzeret is crazy

steep parrot
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its my 199 cards deck challenge, two decks with no overlap using the same commander aaise from basics

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aside

meager cairn
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lol

steep parrot
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i am greedy, i make cuts from 130 cards on average

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but 198 is actually really hard, especially when i want that one card in both

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i think the control version would be running more control and counter spells, untapping mana rock with [[unwinding clock]]

halcyon obsidianBOT
steep parrot
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dang, terferi, who slows the sunset is white too

meager cairn
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I love midnight clock

steep parrot
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cant do grixis with nicol bolas

meager cairn
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And unwinding clock is super fun too

steep parrot
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[[clock of omens]]

halcyon obsidianBOT
steep parrot
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i dont play tutor or combo enough

meager cairn
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Clock tribal?????

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👀

steep parrot
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to make the best out of that card

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its not tribal if its synergy

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maybe

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[[traxos, scourge of kroog]] i wonder if this has a colour combo deck

halcyon obsidianBOT
steep parrot
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colourless

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anything that storm bounce a 0 cost spell...

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yep, the classic divine top + mystic forge and cost reducer

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oh i guess i need to mention one more rock

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[[throne of eldraine]] pricey one tho

halcyon obsidianBOT
steep parrot
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and it cannot change colours

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but thats just gilded on steroids

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if you want to take out the sauron rock, this is the one you want

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i rather have both due to diff curve

meager cairn
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Yeah

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Unfortunately it has to be monocolored

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The spell

steep parrot
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knowing you it will probably be blue 85% of the time

meager cairn
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lol

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true

steep parrot
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i think i will be like 45% black and 65% red? 😝 amd try to untap it nonstop with the mana burn

meager cairn
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current deck other than this one ive been working on is a aboshan mono blue lol

meager cairn
steep parrot
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thats the point of the untapping things like clock of omens control build

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[[aboshan]] idr who

halcyon obsidianBOT
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Multiple cards match “aboshan”, can you be more specific?

steep parrot
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some wizardtary

meager cairn
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[[aboshan cephalid]]

halcyon obsidianBOT
steep parrot
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ah

meager cairn
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Evil ass deck

steep parrot
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yeah i want my big mana

meager cairn
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Hell yeah

steep parrot
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you urn

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[[enregy flux]]?

halcyon obsidianBOT
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No card found for “enregy flux”

steep parrot
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typo

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[[energy flux]]

halcyon obsidianBOT
steep parrot
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it hurt mono blue too i guess not then

meager cairn
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lol

steep parrot
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idk if i want to go there in simic

meager cairn
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It’s currently unlisted but I’ll send it

steep parrot
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alright

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i hope to see [[mechanized production]] in here

halcyon obsidianBOT
meager cairn
steep parrot
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ah

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its that combo

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lowkey wish [[generous patron]] is a blue card but i am glad it isnt

halcyon obsidianBOT
steep parrot
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there are lot of weird blue enchantment that put counters on all creatures similar to [[temporal distortion]]

halcyon obsidianBOT
steep parrot
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well usually not as bad?

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[[lost in the maze]]

halcyon obsidianBOT
steep parrot
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you would like this one

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give yourself hexproof and stun counters so you can still use abilities on lands and stuff

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also target after the spell resolve if you want to lie about your targets on cast

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😉

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think tank looks a bit on the weaker side but it is repeatable surveil 1

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is there a self restriction, because i dont see offer you cant refues in tehe counterspells but i may have missed it

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did a search not theer

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or just want to deny the mana

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[[cancel]] lot of things beats this one, easy to upgrade but decks looks like it has a clear plan and combo

halcyon obsidianBOT
steep parrot
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gross 👍

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wheres [[saph medallion]]

halcyon obsidianBOT
steep parrot
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helps with about 45 or so cards

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[[Cephalid Facetaker]] didnt cross my mind this is a cephalid XD

halcyon obsidianBOT
steep parrot
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[[pyramid of the pantheon]] another scaling rock for slower decks

halcyon obsidianBOT
steep parrot
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4 mana and at least 3 turns to turn it into a gilded lotus

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bad thran dynamo but ideal in control?

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4th time is the best spot to have a +3 mana big turn and so on

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same as untapping with thran but less likely to get destroyed

steep parrot
meager cairn
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Yessssss

steep parrot
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unless there are unknown restrictions

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i really like the "whenever you cast a non creature spell, poliferate." wizard creature, but i didnt see enough counters for the payoff

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otherwise the moment i see 50+ non creaturespells i want it in the deck

meager cairn
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It’s a cephalid deck

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That was the restriction

steep parrot
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yeah

meager cairn
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All cephalid

steep parrot
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<.<

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i see humans

meager cairn
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Doesn’t say anything about artifacts though

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Shhhhhh

steep parrot
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fake restriction for bracket 4 ?

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XD

meager cairn
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Squid like humans

steep parrot
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👀

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squidward is a basically a human then?

meager cairn
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Featherless biped

steep parrot
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where is that spongebob counterspell

meager cairn
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True

steep parrot
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[[remand]] i am not much of a counterspell expert

halcyon obsidianBOT
steep parrot
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but if you aer doing counterspell war

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this one nets you two cards

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on the 1 for 1 trade

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since you cant run the archmages

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[[case of the ransacked lab

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[[case of the ransacked lab]]

halcyon obsidianBOT
steep parrot
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4 on your own turn is not ideal but not impossible

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i am trying to solve the [[case of the shifting visage]] in my decks, its hard

halcyon obsidianBOT
steep parrot
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i mainly do mutate clones

steep parrot
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i cant get myself to think of a situation where i want cancel

meager cairn
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There’s a ton of ways to upgrade this deck but I wanted it to have a goofy version and a stronger version

steep parrot
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[[neutralize]]

halcyon obsidianBOT
meager cairn
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Let me send the other

steep parrot
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oh its going to tutor combos or something

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since i dont get to play that much especially if the game gets longer or i get tired of a deck

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i usually go for what i can play more than using a strictly worst copy of the same card

meager cairn
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that makes sense

steep parrot
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unless i can only run 1 with no redundancy and cant afford tutor

meager cairn
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Only reason these aren’t crazy strong is because they’re just fun little side decks

steep parrot
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still trying to get that blade of selves big turn out, but everytime i have to tutor for a boardwipe to answer the problem

meager cairn
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If I play them and start to love them more then I’ll upgrade

steep parrot
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i hate answering problems

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😅

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just let me become one

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the art on [[cowardice]] always looks wrong

halcyon obsidianBOT
steep parrot
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like pooping out a sword

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[[student of elements]] lot funny if its not singleton and the second student learn to fly used to kill both under legend run iirc

halcyon obsidianBOT
meager cairn
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I like antagonizing my pod that I play with

steep parrot
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yeah i know that much

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i enjoy commander with few tutors and janky budget options so i mainly do bracket 2. which is why optimization + tournament decks feels like a chore

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tournament it only really make sense to play Cedh for that prize, right?

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so anything less doesnt make a whole lot sense to me

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my decks is normally like 65% of the average salt on that chart, and the extreme bad deck was like 30% of median salt

meager cairn
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lol

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I love playing low power but my current pod is split in half

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2 only like instant wins and the other 3 just like to play the game

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The other two have spent thousands on the cards

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I’ve just played for many years

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Since I was little so I have a lot of the cards

steep parrot
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how long?

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i played longer than i have owned cards

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😅

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but off during 2020-2022

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few more years until i am introduced to magic for 20 years, but i got more experience in ygo back then so i have experience and evaluate some of the most cut throat scenes in human history of child card game

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either way, 25+ years of experience in the career in less than 20 years is my resume when it comes to playing cards

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2008 .. so 17 ish years of mtg

meager cairn
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Dang

steep parrot
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at least 10-15 years?

steep parrot
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[[$cutthroat negotiator]]

halcyon obsidianBOT
steep parrot
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wow no one want this card

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since it parley on attack its probably not even a high priority target for removal, but the ceiling is nice with up to 4 treasures especially against not land focused decks, i may try this card in a bracket 3 deck

meager cairn
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Been playing for ten

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Learned from my grandfather

steep parrot
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ah, i was basically 99% self taught

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lowkey wish i have family member involved in my hobbies

meager cairn
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Yeah

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It was nice

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I just kept with it ever since

steep parrot
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do you still want a more watered-down control version of sauron? because I think we can do that one as well, more control but less wheel

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i think [[dark [[dark deal]] + [[waste not]] just clicks some different buttons in a counterspell deck

halcyon obsidianBOT
steep parrot
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which i think i have failed in rakdos for way too long

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And from my past experience and my tip on that is: don't focus on wheeling everyone; just focus on either self wheel or opponent wheel instead.

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the overlap is nice, but there aren't necessary enough in the game to make the game plan run smoothly

steep parrot
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i will check for some monoblack discard and try to figure out some from there

meager cairn
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Sounds good

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I would like to find a decent control setup for Sauron

steep parrot
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for reference may want t\o check out jund winter

steep parrot
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not sure how much similarity but red black may cover most of the discard while green is usually the ramp slot

meager cairn
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[[jund winter]]

halcyon obsidianBOT
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No card found for “jund winter”

steep parrot
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[[winter, misantropic guide]] not quite that literal lol, this one

halcyon obsidianBOT
steep parrot
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it has the unkeep temple bell/ howling mine and clean up step discard at the low cost of 4 mana, all though delirium does mean at least something in the grave to turn it on putting hand size at up to 3 without reliqu tower/ thought vessal on their side

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it will draw the aggro from all sides once your discard is up. people will not like to see their spells going away without being casted and ignore the big picture of drawing more cards in the future turn, which is hard to see ahead

meager cairn
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That does sound nice