Planning to upgrade my Boros Karlach Multi Combat/Myriad deck to Naya with Tifa as the commander, after advice for any cheap cards to improve it. (or new FF cards). Currently I have everything the below deck already except the pictured list https://archidekt.com/decks/13035832/tifa_multi_myriad
#Tifa Multi Combat/Myriad Help
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I may be mistaken in this, and someone can correct me if I’m wrong, but myriad doesnt work well with your commander
as myriad creates “tapped and attacking” copies, however, your Tifa’s melee ability relies on “attacked” which is different
Thats why [[Mirror Box]] and [[Cadric, Soul Kindler]] are in the deck, but it works mostly because Myriad goes off for each combat phase
its not there to trigger the extra combat phase if thats what you mean
I'm missing a [[Wulfgar of Icewind Dale]]
Legendary Creature — Human Barbarian
Melee (Whenever this creature attacks, it gets +1/+1 until end of turn for each opponent you attacked this combat.)
If a creature you control attacking causes a triggered ability of a permanent you control to trigger, that ability triggers an additional time.
4/4
okay I thought the goal was to give her the 3 +1/+1s from her Melee ability
Ah, I am mostly looking for stuff under $5
which wouldnt happen because of the difference between declaring attackers and attacking
[[$Wulfgar of Icewind Dale]]
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He is on my list if I decide to spend more though, hes excellent
I think he is just one Reprint away of going under 5 and staying there. BUT its a DnD card so that makes it more weird to reprint
I do think I need some more card draw and evasion
I have some cards like [[Leyline Axe]] already for evasion but not sure what to drop
and so many of the good draw spells in Naya are quite expensive
Is [[Lightning, Security Sergeant]] a good choice? or is the combat damage requirement too much of an issue?
Maybe [[White Auracit]] to replace one of the ramp cards and give me some more removal?
yeah, you have to send the originals at the other players, thats fine. Its also why the deck has a number of other options to pump her.
yeah thats my apologies for misinterpretation the intent behind the myriad
nothing to apologise for, was just trying to explain what I am trying to do
I know this won't be a super powerful deck, but I have a lot of fun with the Boros Karlach version I am upgrading it from so am hoping to keep that feeling
Still looking for any further ideas on this
i will take a quick look
thanks!
I think this is the ideal decks to run [[annie joins up]]
type of*
yeah, that looks great
the untap is a bit awkward tho
since it untap on damage rather than in that combat
but its good that it untaps ALL creatures, regardless of what landed the attack
or isnt attacking
yeah, I need to squeeze in some trample/evasion options
idk if you need myriad for those trigger
I'm using Myriad because I like it more than it being super efficient
i would have done [[Delina, wild mage]]
Legendary Creature — Elf Shaman
Whenever Delina attacks, choose target creature you control, then roll a d20.
1—14 | Create a tapped and attacking token that's a copy of that creature, except it's not legendary and it has "At end of combat, exile this token."
15—20 | Create one of those tokens. You may roll again.
3/2
or [[stonic resonator]]
more generic and easy to do without all the extra draw / search to get mirror box
in other words, in other to keep myriad, you may have to cut out some thing else
I skipped Delina because I am trying to reduce my additional costs
Theres some expensive cards in there but they came from precons and drafts
not too big on golbin bombardment if you cant make tons of tokens or need a sac outlet
I have considered removing it, i've been using it to get some additional use out of the myriad tokens before they go away
lot of creatures on the higher curve makes it hard to find things to sac sometimes
i would aim for the big damage like [[war storm surge]]
so even without the ignore legendary rule ability, you can guarantee payoff
rather than keeping something only to lose them to sac
basically i am just picking things without having mirror box at my disposal, if it is in play, perfect. if not, the deck isnt dead
Yeah, Mirror Box is mostly there as a cool card to have, the deck is based on a Boros deck and mostly wins via combat damage
i have problems with delina where its hard to attack and the curve is weird, and not getting a high roll making one token is kinda lame too
Thats why I have so much wipe protection
city on fire and legion loyalty such fun cards
i wish they are more playable at higher brackets

Yes, a lot of the cards are in there because they are fun, I built the deck to be enjoyable to play (the way I like to play anyway) rather than super strong
[[stranglehold]] 👀 whats this doing in the deck
meta game choice?
I have the entire Karlach SLD in there
I see, i dont know about that SLD
Its the only Secret Lair I ever bought
nice, i wanted some miku ones but couldnt even get close
So I basically haven't cut Stranglehold out of Nostalgia
The main Karlach card is worth more than I paid for the drop, its wild
so deck is semi budget, more about the cards you are trying to play and make something work
[[karlach]]
Legendary Creature — Tiefling Barbarian
Whenever you attack, if it's the first combat phase of the turn, untap all attacking creatures. They gain first strike until end of turn. After this phase, there is an additional combat phase.
Choose a Background (You can have a Background as a second commander.)
5/4
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not a card i can see myself owning 
Correct, Almost everything in there is something I already own and there are a dozen cards I picked just because I liked them (All the Aurelia's. Gisela, Chance for Glory, the SLD drop cards, Descent into Avernus)
going off on just what you have tagged
Basically I tried to build something fun around those cards using mechanics I like (Multiple combats, Myriad, Initiative)
i think the ramp is a bit low but i havent tested anything
additional combat aurelia making new copies can go infinite
Neither have I, this is a change to an existing boros deck, so there are a number of catch up ramp cards I switched out for green
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this one really dropped with all the reprint, 7 mana seems so much to hard cast
Yes, Mirror Box + Blade of Selves/Legion Loyalty + Aurelia is technically an infinite combo
i remeber doing just instant no delay flicker on aurelia
triple combat is broken enough to end most games if the commander has envasion
True, but theres actually a bunch of ways to abuse her in this deck because even two of them has a crazy impact due to how they stack
i think winning with Tifa is going to be the most satisfying combat dmg dealer in this deck
do you have sword of animist
No, I don't own any of the swords unfortunately
except the one arriving in the FF7 Precon
expensive but its the non green ramp that works all too well with combat
which one is that
are you using the FF7 farewell>?
Oh it is Animist
its just more of a salty card
I already had it
from Party Time I think
k
Currently I am only taking Tifa from the precon for this
because farewell isnt the most fun to play with or play against
I never use it in all modes
I basically just use it to deal with enchantment/graveyard/artifact players
yeah, if its used as one sided wipe and not affecting yourself
it would be a lot better
i think there is another one/two that can basically wipe artifact enchantment or mana value etc
the only time I have used it with the creature mode is when I phased out my own creatures
just generic white wipes at the highest cost
like with teferi pro?
or cleaver concealment
Clever Concealment is in the deck
i liek the protection package, perhaps overkill but it is boros
i think you can have more green to balance some pips out
I found I got blown out way too much
Yeah, something to work on definitely
if you only need one creature to rebuild [[tamiyo's safekeeping]] is one at low cost
Instant
Target permanent you control gains hexproof and indestructible until end of turn. You gain 2 life. (A permanent with hexproof and indestructible can't be the target of spells or abilities your opponents control. Damage and effects that say "destroy" don't destroy it.)
To keep the Reality Chip out of Jin-Gitaxias's hands, the Wanderer entrusted it to Tamiyo.
or whatever target creature hexproof/ some green ones need +1 counters to work
[[rancor]]
definitely worth considering Tamiyo
gets tifa to 7 trample power, decentive to block a trampler
and recurs itself if creature dies or destroyed
i guess green has the card advantage option open that budget white lacks
if guardian project tribute to the world tree is very green creature focus, non budget and high on the curve
the combat ones are cheap, one time, but draw tons of cards
as long as the damage connects
and since those effects are until end of turn, the combat doubling is like double strike here
Most of those are quite expensive money wise aren't they?
boros need the double strike buffs, usually only cost one spell, may even be a cantrip spell
whats that 3 mana instant, creature deal combat damage, draw that mana
[[rishkar's expertise]] [[return of wildspeaker]] [[hunter's insight]]
add in a [[kari zev's expertise]] here
[[Hunter's Insight]] ?
kari exp can potentially remove a blocker and attack twice with the stolen creature
ooh, [[Hunter's Prowess]] is actually really good
but yeah just do hunter insight after block before damage
yeah prowess is the "buff" version with trample
BUT sorcery so its obvious, and they dont want to give someone mass draw so now the whole table may see it as a bigger threat
It also makes a lot of the creatures 7/7's for Tifa
especially with multiple combat
true
so i think prowess you HAVE to hold it back til you know you get it
5 mana is a lot at sorcery
which is why i can say return of the wildspeaker most of the time, instant out of nowhere draw
but like 1/5 green decks can actually make use of prowess
thats good advice
thx

i think all of those are the cheap ones i can think of atm there may be few others
the less dependent on getting damage through, the more $pricey they are
like [[$life's legacy]]
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because self sac, unless the spell is countered; which is more rare, the draw is almost guarantee
damage run the risk of removal, fog, control, pillow fort, blocks etc
I have Toski, who would be great but hes in my Squirreled Away precon which I am not sure I want to modify
at the cheapest $ wise, you have "repeatable" [[colssal majesty]]
i cant play this in my local meta, too slow, need a board which doesnt stay around for long, hard to fit into my style of decks. its more thematic imo
makes that one creature feels extra special
the green phyrexian arena
This deck will mostly play in high 2/ low 3 games so it being slow isn't a huge deal
if people want to play fast commander I just grab my budget Winota deck\
also lot of powercreep so we have [[gurruk's uprising]]
Enchantment
When this enchantment enters, if you control a creature with power 4 or greater, draw a card.
Creatures you control have trample. (Each of those creatures can deal excess combat damage to the player or planeswalker it's attacking.)
Whenever a creature you control with power 4 or greater enters, draw a card.
otherwise, most of them are 3 drop "Your upkeep, check condition (like really bad conditions), draw 1"
i should have remembered uprising much eariler
when i mentioned war storm surge
myriad works perfect here
the other thing lacks reprint so its a bit more pricey, called [[elemental bond]]?
the tribute to world tree before it was cool
[[benfactor's draught]] precon no reprint so this one is bad
price wise
it draws on EVERY blocking creature
so yeah i dont think you need a toski at all but it doesnt hurt to make myriad toski if you decide to
[[greater good]] one of the best sac outlet in the game, ofc its green
why [[overcome]]
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pricey one but this one is super fun
other than [[gisela, godnight]] idrk what is a good cut in this current theme
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[[gisela, goldnight]]
Legendary Creature — Angel
Flying, first strike
If a source would deal damage to an opponent or a permanent an opponent controls, that source deals double that damage to that player or permanent instead.
If a source would deal damage to you or a permanent you control, prevent half that damage, rounded up.
5/5
i just find it unecesary and high costed
and meanwhile i find the card i was looking for all this time
[[ghired, conclave exile]]
Oh nice
keep whatever tokens you make AND Tifa can now untap and tap for this
and since she untaps ALL creatures
you just ctrl V your whole board
Works with Cadric and and Jolly Balloon man too
thats definitely an awesome option
maybe an even better commander jk
i think you can focus more on this Tifa, combat untap and token side
more than hoping to get mirror box side
[[Cadric, Soul Kindler]] doubles up on that effect from Mirror Box for what its worth
like i can understand skipping elemental bond for budget reasons, but the combat into garruk uprisking and war storm surge is hard to miss out on
oh that one new enchanement [[windcrag siege]]
Enchantment
As this enchantment enters, choose Mardu or Jeskai.
• Mardu — If a creature attacking causes a triggered ability of a permanent you control to trigger, that ability triggers an additional time.
• Jeskai — At the beginning of your upkeep, create a 1/1 red Goblin creature token. It gains lifelink and haste until end of turn.
yeah, im actually checking if I already have a copy of Garruk's Uprising right now
i dont think attack triggle is that great here
Windcrag is already in the list
doesn't it double all my combat and myriad triggers?
why wouldn't it get Myriad?
thats an attack trigger, so wouldn't it become myriad, myriad in effect
its not bad, but i dont think its worth if most of the deck
fair enough, I haven't bought that one yet, so I'll think about it
is trigger else where
part of the reason why i said annie joins up
if you decide to go big
i think impact tremors value ping can be replaced
annie is probably a better card
Impact/bombardment might get cut and I'd drop entry pings entirely
aww
i did take war storm out of some of my deck because it feels too repeatitive as a win con and 5 drop is awkward
myriad is the only place i want to keep it in
the deck is mostly supposed to kill people by punching them
yeah make sense
I have an Evereth Rakdos deck for burning people
if your creatures are big enough, i am not sure if you actually need dolmen gate to protect anything
do you now the interaction with annie + myriad + mirrorbox + tifa triggers?
thats another of the secret lair cards
myriad trigger twice on attack same as crag, by ignoring legend rule so you can keep the tokens which is good. so with 4 tokens that are 4/4, original is a 10/10
if power 7 hits here
all 5 will trigger untapping
10 times
and on first combat, get 10 more combats
wait why is she a 10/10? the myriad tokens don't trigger melee
melee is an attack trigger
so for that crag isnt bad
well i figured you can do the +3 on melee as you attack
so +3 twice = +6
ah right, as long as you add other attackers
but you do need more attacking creatures
cool, just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something
the point is really just letting one power 7 get through and crag cannot double the combat trigger
annie joins up can
if you untap your board 2-3 times each combat (which is why i think stonic resonator is amazing)
then whatever good tap ability becomes broken
even if it is just making a few mana
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same effect but has white at 3 mana value basically 20% the price
good luck with 30 mana in combat
most of the time, with commander its probably 5-10 mana
circle back to mirror of the wilds, whatever tokens you make, stays around, as you make more
tap wise, I think it mostly leverages Cadric/Jolly Bal'oon Man and the deck primarily relies on ETB effects from those + Myriad rather than tapping for mana etc
i just dont have enough things that can replace what you already have in the deck and can make cuts for
[[jolly baloon man]] needs mana right
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its all good, I appreciate the advice, I won't take all of it but you have given me some great ideas
he does
let me know what you switch out 😅
but only 1 colorless and there are a couple mana dorks in there already
ijust give a bunch because i never got the chance to use mirror to populate tokens and the untapping insanity is perfect here
i know the mercenary has tap ability but its sorcery speed
I'll try to remember to update you in a few weeks, I want to see what I pull with the FF set
Thats why I have mostly pre-planned with the cards I already own
ping me in a few weeks in this threat and i will get right back to it
haha, I got you invested in the result
will do
I'll definitely order annie though
if you dont go infinite, helm of the host is always a nice fun one
and whatever flicking to trgger etbs again including Cadric etb
yeah 5 and 4 for 9 mana is pretty bad if you dont ramp hard
if you go crazy with untap, the one myr can attack equipment by tapping, or an expensive old card let you equip at instant speed
and theres equipment that lets you tap the equipped creature
vigilance + tap + untap, the perfect efficiency engine
id love to pull the Buster Sword, but I expect it will cost a lot if I don't
there is a MDFC boroc legend from strix haven
the back side can untap and/or tap on attack
that would be something to think about if you go legendary subtheme
or more attack trigger so you can keep doing the windcrag siege
mdfc's are always great
but i think making countless tokens with mirror is the best in my opinion
i like mdfcs from that set for how wordy they are XD

vigilance? no. Untap? No. You untap and you may keep them untap, and then tap again to get the extra boost.
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Legendary Creature — Orc Shaman
, Discard a card: Draw a card.

,
: Reveal cards from the top of your library until you reveal a nonlegendary, nonland card with mana value 3 or less. You may cast that card without paying its mana cost. Put all revealed cards not cast this way on the bottom of your library in a random order.
2/2
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Legendary Creature — Human Cleric
Other tapped creatures you control get +1/+0.
Other untapped creatures you control get +0/+1.
Whenever you attack, untap each creature you control, then tap any number of creatures you control.
1/3
front side can search for [[sunforger]]
in your case, mirror box
the back side alone is worthy imo
if you have other things it wont tutor
or limits what it can get
I wonder if [[Hardy Outlander]] is worth including to allow Tifa to pump other creatures for additional triggers
Legendary Enchantment — Background
Commander creatures you own have "Whenever this creature attacks a player, if no opponent has more life than that player, another target creature you control gets +X/+X until end of turn, where X is this creature's power."
You're a born explorer, happiest forging your way through the untamed wilds.
it can at least pump that attacking creature by +6 (4 base +2 melee trigger); not only is that a good rate for the mere cost of 2 mana, repeatable enchantment
it also works with the deck overall game plan of having multiple attacking creatures at one time
bigger toughness enable the creature survive and get untapped
unfortunately, idk how many of this type of cards you can add into the deck
because it is again another effect that does not combo with the normal myriad
i think trying to get a legendary commander to myriad is naturally hard. if you get it, you will remember that game forever, but most of the cards in the deck probably need to let myriad do the work as non legendaries in the 99 will probably work better. my guess is that some of the boros legend may get cut to make things run smoother
Yeah possibly, I'll need to run some tests
I found [[Goreclaw, Terror]] in my collection
but not sure if I want more legends
I do have Garruk's Uprising and Colossal Majesty though
so theres some solid card draw
yeah, this is another one where the deck need to run lot of creatures for the payoff
i think it maybe meh here because it reinforce the deck weakness of getting wiped
but it sure buffs TIfa in combat so it is at least worth that much
both being 4 drop and both need to attack got to be the worst part
so its probably about the same as [[rancor]]
melee +1, trigger +1 and trample
rancor is +2 trample
toughness is the part it lose out on
goreclaw can attack without Tifa attacking, rancor need a creature to target enchant
if you dont lack creature, i would probably go rancor, if you want to get lot of big creatures (probably cant attack right away) on the field, then goreclaw would help with the cost reduciton
which may bring another problem with all the colour pips
I am putting together a temporary list using the cards I actually have already (I used up all my hobby budget on FF, woops) https://archidekt.com/decks/13843486/tifa_no_new_purchases
still a bunch of cuts to make (I already cut all the stuff in the maybeboard)
I know I should cut a bunch of the Karlach and Aurelia cards, but its hard to convince myself to.
Its ended up a bit more legends/equipment focused, but I don't want to go full voltron and I prefer to keep the Mirror Box in there just because its fun
oh hello, you came back
karlach is the extra combat one so thats probably fine
i c, you meant the secret lair cards
well, either cut FF cards or the othere
10 over is quite a bit especially when some of them dont synergize
can also ignore certain things that a deck needs such as removal and interaction
it will decrease your overall effectiveness to react to things in the game, may affect win rate and such. but dont have to worry about tough cuts or what you want to play from all the new cards
i am someone who would play a deck with blue and close to 0 counter spell cards in the deck
[[farewell]] is something that basically never synergize with any decks unless you dont pick some of the modes
power reset the game button for sure
imo, the easiest/hardest way is to build two 99s for the same commander
whenever oyu want the restriction of no overlap or make one optimized and one just jank and fun thats completely up to the brewer
I almost never pick every mode unless I am phasing out with Clever Concealment
i didnt say your have to cut anything
The option to wipe out enchantment/artifact/Graveyard decks is too good to pass up
I get it, was just clarifying
just cant play every potential card in the colour identity
removals are kinda the "nonbo"
more than myriad without mirror box
Oh yeah definitely, I'll do another run through, its just hard to remove your pet cards haha
even [[cleaver concealment]] cant pick enchantments right or i forgot the wording
Instant
Convoke (Your creatures can help cast this spell. Each creature you tap while casting this spell pays for
or one mana of that creature's color.)
Any number of target nonland permanents you control phase out. (Treat them and anything attached to them as though they don't exist until your next turn.)
oh it can
convoke creatures but can target all non lands
i cant even get myself a ff precon at locals :c
i think depends on the strategy you pick for yourself
I ordered all my FF stuff when they first announced it
so I got it cheap compared to current prices
(a bad strategy probably need like 35 cards to support while a good solved one like aristrocats may takes just around 25 ish to function)
so the better/optimal game plan will give more room
for pet cards
unless the pet card happens to be in line with the deck main plan
i think you can see how many "pet cards" you have in the deck
one of the worst commander i have built around
i think i was only able to run like 8 pet cards
there were like 50 sources of mana and around 30 cards to make the strategy work and then the standard removal and stuff
if the commander can hold its own, then i could probably play like 15 pet cards without issue
some of those numbers are ass pull without actuallyl ooking at the decks so take it with a grind of salt
Tifa is very strong by herself, but yeah, I know there are issues with the deck
Legendary Creature — Human Monk
Melee (Whenever this creature attacks, it gets +1/+1 until end of turn for each opponent you attacked this combat.)
Whenever one or more creatures you control with power 7 or greater deal combat damage to a player, untap all creatures you control. If it's the first combat phase of your turn, there is an additional combat phase after this phase.
4/4
[[delina wild mage]]
Legendary Creature — Elf Shaman
Whenever Delina attacks, choose target creature you control, then roll a d20.
1—14 | Create a tapped and attacking token that's a copy of that creature, except it's not legendary and it has "At end of combat, exile this token."
15—20 | Create one of those tokens. You may roll again.
3/2
Yeah, I just don't want to drop 20+ AUD on her
this list was built with the cards I have on hand
I like Delina a lot for the "off synergy" yet synergistic pet card that make tokens
while it is not real myriad
and the tokens dont stay
shes good though, Cadric, Soul Kindler is kind of filling the same role
[[Cadric, Soul Kindler]]
Plus he acts like a second Mirror Box
so i am a huge fan of delina even when she isnt doing the heavy work in the 99
two mirror box but you still need another in the 99 to really make myriad happen
hes not as directly good as Delina though since its not an attack trigger
getting 2 exact cards in the 99 is very difficult even if you draw 20 cards per game
so tutors can be a good consideration; but then again, more cuts to put in redundancy
i never run more than 3 tutors and most of the time i will end up being forced to get a removal spell
cos the pod is causing problems all over the table
i think i would cut the scrawling crawler
not enough room in the 99
maybe look for 4 drop that isnt ramp, since commander is 4 cmc
yeah, I was definitely looking at dropping the crawler since I have better draw now
My SLD cards won't arrive for a few week, so I moved those to the sideboard, made a couple extra cuts and will test it like this on the weekend
I had to cut Stranglehold even though the art is awesome because it just makes no sense in the deck
Played this iteration at FNM today and won both games https://archidekt.com/decks/13843486/tifa_no_new_purchases
It's turned into more of a legendary matters multi combat deck now
(