#Teval Deck Rebuild

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sick adder
warped owl
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is it looking for higher bracket upgrade?

sick adder
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nope

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I have a bracket 4

sick adder
warped owl
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i just find the "lack of clear objective" harder to comment about a deck

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😅

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is it just

sick adder
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Well its main objective is to enable a [[jarad, golgari lich lord]] win

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warped owl
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more, faster, better ways to win

sick adder
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I changed the text

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at the top

warped owl
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ah i see

sick adder
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thats the cleanest wincon

warped owl
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👍

sick adder
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[[ob nixilis, the fallen]] is good too

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sick adder
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with lumra

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[[lumra, bellow of the woods]]

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sick adder
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and I think I want a way to win with a bunch of zombies

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maybe ayara maybe murkwood bats

warped owl
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so, stay in bracket 3 but more optimized to be up against a 4?

sick adder
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to be good vs a lot of bracket 3 stategies

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cover a lot of bases

warped owl
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yeah, love the overlaps and many ways to do things

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consuming aberration is so fun

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it is hard to get into many decks tho

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i can see similar problem with lord of extinction, they are both 5 drop (high end) big creatures, but dont have envasion

sick adder
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oh thats fine they are just for jarad

warped owl
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yeah ik

sick adder
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its just a game winning two card combo that takes some setup

warped owl
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if the deck was a 4, i think they would get cut for value creature and i will be sad to see either one go

sick adder
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yeah

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But its not 🙂

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thanks for the thoughts

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do you have a teval deck

warped owl
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no, i seen the list of many and the commander doesnt interest me since i am not a value player, i like the other suicidal teval way more

sick adder
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haha ok

warped owl
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i have more chances playing against them then i ever want to play it

sick adder
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gotcha

warped owl
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in my head, its like aristocrats. once a deck is "solved" with the optimal cards and numbers, it feels less interesting than making a personal deck with my own touch

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and i am too lazy to do the hypergeometric calculator math to perfect each .1% card draw

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you put [[vorinclex]] in ramp, i think this one is closer to card draw

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https://scryfall.com/card/mom/213/vorinclex-the-grand-evolution

Vorinclex <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Phyrexian Praetor
Trample, reach
When Vorinclex enters, search your library for up to two Forest cards, reveal them, put them into your hand, then shuffle.
mana6managmanag: Exile Vorinclex, then return it to the battlefield transformed under its owner's control. Activate only as a sorcery.
6/6

The Grand Evolution
Enchantment — Saga
(As this Saga enters and after your draw step, add a lore counter.)
I — Mill ten cards. Put up to two creature cards from among the milled cards onto the battlefield.
II — Distribute seven +1/+1 counters among any number of target creatures you control.
III — Until end of turn, creatures you control gain "mana1: This creature fights target creature you don't control." Exile this Saga, then return it to the battlefield (front face up).

warped owl
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etb draw 2 lands

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flip, draw 2 creatures

warped owl
sick adder
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yeah true

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regarding ramp

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I mean vorinclex

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it does not have a lot of removal

warped owl
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the balance of the deck is what concern me the most, the part that works looks really good. between draw, ramp, curve, card advantage, synergy reanimate; those looks perfect

sick adder
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ts like 8 ways to kill creatures

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if you include board wipes

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thanks 🙂

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10 if you count counterspells

warped owl
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not seeing too many ways to interact with the opponent can mean someone tries to turbo their way out ? but i think it is really hard to know without seeing the match up

sick adder
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yeah

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very true I know what you mean

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I can probably cut rise of the dark realms

warped owl
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oh no 😭

sick adder
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haha it seems more fun/funny than good and I play a lot on spelltable so its not great for that

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its good with consuming abberation...but thats about it

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I'll cut glarb first

warped owl
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yeah, some decks/cards are rough on spelltable

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idk how you can search someone's library without looking at their hand as well

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"umm i will take that blightsteel colossal" "No you cant." "why?... oh, OH"

warped owl
# sick adder I mean vorinclex

i assume you were going to say its not repeatable, while all the ones in there are going to draw 1+ cards if they stay around

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fair enuf

sick adder
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I would say its closer to card draw than ramp

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and closer to mill than card draw

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because you want to do the 8 mana thing

warped owl
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one card i have never seen any Teval deck play, let me find it, it may not fits in this build but it is really good somehow

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unless i straight up misread it

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[[titans' nest]]

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warped owl
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mana ability ignore split second just like phyrexian altar

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now every card in grave is at worst a 2/2

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if the Teval has Keruga companion, then I would be interested in building my own

sick adder
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hmmm

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I think I could try it

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its a lot of mana

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but its really good with a few cards

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yeah I think I might get one to test it

warped owl
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until you looks for cuts to put in [[mesmeric orb]] [[muldrotha, gravetide]] i doubt the current build need too much adjustment

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warped owl
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do you know this card [[Tormod, the desecrator]] worse teval but

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sick adder
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yeah

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I need one

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muldrotha is a good addition

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mesmeric orb is a no go, I hate that card

warped owl
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[[insidious root]][[out of the tombs]][[tear asunder]][[hedge shredder]] bunch of cards names dump

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warped owl
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asunder reprinted i need a copy myself

warped owl
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if i ever want to play it in a deck, i think i want to use it along side consuming aberration fun to make it part of the win con, reanimate my oponents fun disgusting creatures so i can pester them for putting it in a deck

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some sort of group mill + reanimate/grave synergy mill deck

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but its too pricey so i wont be buying one anytime soon

sick adder
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makes sense

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mothman made it spike

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I see those cards, I cut tear asunder but hedge shredder might be good...people tell me to play it

warped owl
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oh yeah i forgot that was from this precon XD

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that one just sort of loops with the crap

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land in and out of grave, indefinite self mill

sick adder
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yeah

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its probably good actually

warped owl
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if you can somehow turn this into a perfect loop, you can potentially mill all opponents too?

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oh, or get the other crab too XD

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landfall crab tribal would be funny

sick adder
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I just like the one consuming abberation

warped owl
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yeah i may do that idea someday, simic crab

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foreskinner could be in the 99

sick adder
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my friend has a crab deck

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uh [[mindskinner]]

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warped owl
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yes

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i will find all the green burn spells from decades ago

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[[mind bomb]] [[psychic corrosion]] is what blue has

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warped owl
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oh wrong name, but something along those lines

sick adder
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[[psionic blast]]

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warped owl
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there is a blue enchantment that does damage instead of lose of life

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but it wont matter until i find a copy and tries to put that deck together

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its not even close to the middle of the list of decks

sick adder
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I just have a few decks

warped owl
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i take apart to build new ones

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using few to no staples

sick adder
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yeah I like just having a few decks I haave a lot of confidence in

warped owl
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around 15-20 decks per active years of playing but never more than 12 decks at any point, i only really have good sleeves for like 8 decks

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so i went through like 50+ new decks since the end of covid

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some i go in knowing i wont like

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kalamax was one of them

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with no infinite combo, every interaction removal getting doubled is hell for my opponent

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i had 14 spells that got doubled one game, at least 9 targetting things on the same player

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took apart after making the deck work at about 6 games

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I can see myself using Teval balancer in the 99 but i cant figure out the deck ratio at all

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any idea on that? let me know

sick adder
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my deck needs more removal

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other than that I think its good

sick adder
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3 wins today with this deck

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out of 3 games

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its going pretty well

warped owl
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🇳 🧊

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[[soul barrier]] was the card i was think before

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warped owl
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blue BURN* lol

sick adder
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ahhh

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I want more flashback

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maybe [[inspiration from beyond]]

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warped owl
# warped owl blue BURN* lol

😅 But flashback doesnt really synergize with all the permanent things going on. Heres an offer: Would you build a 2nd version of the deck that focus on flashback and spell slinger instead?

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sultai flashback, basically the only way to build a bad muldotha deck?

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[[doc aurlock, grizzled genius]] is my attempt at it and i never finished the deck

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warped owl
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less colour lets* me focus more on fewer card choices

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[[dream twist]] [[snapcater]] [[memory's journey]] [[mass diminish]] [[think twice]] [[self-reflection]] [[altar of the lost]]

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^ bunch of flashback jank?

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you open the option to [[forbidden alchemy]] in your colour

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warped owl
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[[traumatize]] [[laboratory maniac]] could be part the blue win con

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warped owl
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[[grolnok, omnivore]] get rid of the non instant sorcery as well as trigger Teval

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warped owl
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[[artful dodge]] + [[consuming aberration]] feels good

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warped owl
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[[gnaw to the bone]] green has the weird ones

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warped owl
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[[tracker's instincts]] doesnt return from grave so kinda meh

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sick adder
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Hmm I think they work fine with teval tbh

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But interesting idea

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I would play [[memory deluge]] over forbidden alchemy

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sick adder
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2 cards for 1 more mana and then the same cost

warped owl
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[[$Memory Deluge]] was the exact card i was going to say, try to pick one up for myself

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https://scryfall.com/card/inr/75/memory-deluge

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warped owl
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because i want the lose life teval, the life lost is always 4 cmc rather than 7

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but delve reduce the card i see so it is a little awkward

sick adder
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delve doesn't reduce the cost

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the exile is part of the cost

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I think

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its like exiling a card = 1 mana

warped owl
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not the cost but on memory deluge it checks

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where X is the amount of mana spent to cast this spell.

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delve doesnt actually put mana into the spell

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i said reduce as in reduct the effectiveness of the card effect

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delve 7 +UU from the life loss Teval = teval trigger lose 4 life from mana value and look at top 2 add those 2 to hand

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if some stax effect tax the memory dulge, chances is that you can actually look at more cards that it normally would, but how much open mana and how much you want to invest into a single spell becomes the question

sick adder
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Oh I see