#Help with high-power (T4) Azorius Blink

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glacial vault
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https://moxfield.com/decks/qNfGqvi_Qk6CKEEGEQVggQ

Hi all, this deck has kinda become my high-power, pull all the stops deck. I'm at a crossroads with it, where I feel like Yorion isn't the best commander. I'm torn between Kykar and Brago as replacements. Brago would let me lean more into enchantments and walkers, which I am already using and like. Kykar would let me lean more into little creatures which I'm already doing as well with Delney and all my low-to-the-ground ETB creatures. I also have a lot of game changers I've had lying around that I'm considering putting in for the sake of power (you can see in considering). Any advice appreciated!

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Yorion Blinks (Partial) - Commander (Yorion, Sky Nomad)

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wary harnessBOT
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Multiple cards match “Kykar”, can you be more specific?

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Multiple cards match “Brago”, can you be more specific?

glacial vault
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[[Brago, king eternal]] [[Kykar, Zephyr]]

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lime hawk
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@glacial vault Yorion is arguably the best and I would keep it

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however, I have some bad news

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Optimized Yorion is control, will make it unfun for the opponents to play against. Just be prepared for the stigma around it

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I'm taking a look at the list now

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I would cut Githzerai Monk and Kykar

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Replace it with skyclave apparition

abstract dock
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I do think yorion is better since it doesn't draw that much ire compared to brago

lime hawk
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It's still really bad though

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He switched to brago in the end

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And [[strionic resonator]] for the infinite combo you can get by copying Brago's combat damage ability and using your artifacts to repay for the strionic resonater's ability infinitely

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lime hawk
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Cut Oath of Teferi and replace it with another mana rock, maybe [[relic of legends]]

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Cut [[Malcator, Purity Overseer]] and throw in [[Recruiter of the Guard]]

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lime hawk
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Cut archivist of Oghma throw in esper sentinel

abstract dock
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Spellseeker is pretty good too

glacial vault
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mhm, recruiter is on the shortlist, resonator yeah good idea

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wait so can I copy brago's ability and flicker my board twice with that? I was never sure

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same for delney (who is the deck's secret commander)

glacial vault
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the other problem with yorion was it made these weird unending loops where my board was flickering out every other turn and it just slowed things down for other players so much

glacial vault
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At the end of the day, it's still a busted t4 deck with yorion or brago, my opponents know it's gonna be strong. Ditching yorion is mostly a "here, I'll do stuff mostly on my turn" move from me

glacial vault
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I was also thinking about cutting White Plume Adventurer

abstract dock
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Could run eldrazi displacer to get infinite mana if you got any thing to put your mana into

glacial vault
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Yeah that's the thing, have drake in there too but no real way to use the infinite mana so stopped short of combos

abstract dock
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If you could just keep blinking your board for a win

glacial vault
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could put in ballista I suppose, I have enlightened tutor

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Yeah I have that 6 mana ghost pirate that flickers stuff, was thinking about putting him in, that'd be a flicker mana outlet

abstract dock
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It higher power you don't really mind the additional tokens from skyclave

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But you might want to be more selective what you remove

glacial vault
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[[Deadeye Navigator]]?

wary harnessBOT
glacial vault
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Infinite mana outlet for drake, also flicker on a stick

abstract dock
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Also works but pretty high cmc

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If you want to be in bracket 4 you have to lower your cmc and go for mass removal and counterspell

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Your wincons are probably casting cyclonic rift every turn with archomancer or to bounce everything with venser shaper savant.

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You can go for the token route and mass pump your tokens but it won't be as strong

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I would just pick either one

abstract dock
glacial vault
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I feel like the whirler rogue is worth it for the ability to so easily make brago unblockable, and saradoc generates a ton of value

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glacial vault
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but the others will probably go

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I have a displacer somewehre I think so yeah I'll throw that in

abstract dock
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You have to add a bunch of low cmc draw a card creatures to smooth out your curve

glacial vault
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Actually thinking I might cut flickerwisp, I feel like I have so many better flicker effects and it doesn't even get doubled by delney

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any good low cmc draw effects on creatures? Unfortunately no strix but stuff like that

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all the ones I can think of are higher cmc

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I used to run fblthp

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could put him back in

abstract dock
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I think delyn is pretty gimmicky. You want more blink effects more than doublers

glacial vault
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Delney has absolutely been a powerhouse

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I do already have a ton of blink effects

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but I can also keep the wisp

abstract dock
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[[Wall of omen]] are those effects

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glacial vault
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Perfect

abstract dock
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You want mass blink spells as well

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[[Ghostway]]

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abstract dock
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Blinking 1 card is pretty slow unless you have a huge target to blink

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Or it a continuous effect like [[teleportation circle]]

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abstract dock
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Creature wise there [[glorious protector]] able to mass blink

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glacial vault
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Ooh yes I was wishing I had more effects like this, Only ones I had were Brago and Eerie Interlude

glacial vault
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Thoughts on [[Riptide Gearhulk]] replacing maybe a walker?

wary harnessBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/dft/219/riptide-gearhulk

Riptide Gearhulk <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Artifact Creature — Construct
Double strike
Prowess (Whenever you cast a noncreature spell, this creature gets +1/+1 until end of turn.)
When this creature enters, for each opponent, put up to one target nonland permanent that player controls into its owner's library third from the top.
2/5

glacial vault
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I've been working on making the mana fixing better but even as it stands I feel like casting this wouldn't be too prohibitive

abstract dock
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Riptide is nice too. You might want some of the 2 mana catch up ramp white has too

glacial vault
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Yeah definitely lacking on catch up ramp

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any suggestions?

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flickering sad robot has worked really well, but it comes down later

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[[Knight of the White Orchid]]

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glacial vault
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stuff like this?

abstract dock
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yeah if you fix your lannd base this is pretty solid

glacial vault
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What needs fixing in the land base?

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There are a couple duals I don't have in there but other than that I don't think it's too bad

abstract dock
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i didnt check yet but you said having a better mana base

glacial vault
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ahh gotcha I more meant stuff to grab lands

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I've got the typed duals, sadly didn't grab the surveil land before they got real expensive

abstract dock
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knight can take any plains so you can search up surveil and the shocks lands

glacial vault
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but everything else short of og dual I've got and the couple untyped I don't have I'm gonna get in there soon (glacial and port town)

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[[Parallax Wave]] too mean?

wary harnessBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/vma/37/parallax-wave

Parallax Wave <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
Fading 5 (This enchantment enters with five fade counters on it. At the beginning of your upkeep, remove a fade counter from it. If you can't, sacrifice it.)
Remove a fade counter from this enchantment: Exile target creature.
When this enchantment leaves the battlefield, each player returns to the battlefield all cards they own exiled with it.

glacial vault
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sorry no meant [[parallax tide]]

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glacial vault
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wave I'm running

abstract dock
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tide is pretty mean but not sure how terrible it is on table i never played it

glacial vault
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Eating five lands might be a bit too much

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I just have a copy and was like "maybe I should jam it in"

abstract dock
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you could use it to ramp as well

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it double edged

glacial vault
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yeah but like, I dunno if it's worth running if it's just a ramp piece

abstract dock
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no idea but i wouldnt play it

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could just run some counterspells instead

glacial vault
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yeah wave is at least also a powerful blinker

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I think I'm set on countermagic, force and dovin's veto and swan song plus gonna put guardianship in when the lair finally arrives

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sorry not dovin's veto, permission denied right now, could slot in dovin's again

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plus sink into stupor

abstract dock
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Feel like 1 mana protection is better for brago. Usually you are saving counterspell to protect brago instead of stopping a combo

glacial vault
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Yeah, guardianship, swan song and force all fill that, plus the blink effects are pseudo protection in their own way

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Think I need offer as well?

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or are those three enough?

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Thinking of cutting [[Archivist of Oghma]] for [[Deep Gnome Terr]]

wary harnessBOT
glacial vault
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feels like it'll proc more often and be more meaningful

abstract dock
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Does depend on pod wise how much they hate brago

abstract dock
glacial vault
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but as they get their decks up to speed, that may change

abstract dock
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Should just add as proxy to see how well it works before committing

glacial vault
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haha I actually already have a copy of both so it's a simple swap

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but good call

abstract dock
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I cut solemn cirulacrium and sun titan from my list cause their cmc were too high as well

glacial vault
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Yeah sun titan for sure is on the chopping block, I will say sad robot has been a pretty good ramp piece but white orchid and deep gnome might do a better job of covering that gap

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Sun titan for [[Karmic Guide]]?

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glacial vault
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cmc is still kinda high

abstract dock
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Karmic guide is good but usually this deck doesn't rely on things going to graveyard

glacial vault
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Yeah it's more of backup recursion just like sun titan

abstract dock
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You rather just play mass exile graveyard effects

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Since many decks run graveyard recursion

glacial vault
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yeah, gotta put a scavenger ground in, might ditch reliquary tower for it

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don't really need no max hand size honestly

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sun titan might be the one to cut for gearhulk

abstract dock
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There [[amphin mut]]

wary harnessBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/95/amphin-mutineer

Amphin Mutineer <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Salamander Pirate
When this creature enters, exile up to one target non-Salamander creature. That creature's controller creates a 4/3 blue Salamander Warrior creature token.
Encore mana4manaumanau (mana4manaumanau, Exile this card from your graveyard: For each opponent, create a token copy that attacks that opponent this turn if able. They gain haste. Sacrifice them at the beginning of the next end step. Activate only as a sorcery.)
3/3

glacial vault
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ohhh yeah this would be great, I run this in my pirate deck

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didn't even think of using it here

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exile on a stick pretty good

abstract dock
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I do run [[solitude]] too

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glacial vault
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Yeah that's one I should probably just bite the bullet and buy

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I know that sounds silly looking at the cost of the deck lol, most stuff I bought lower than it is now, and that galaxy foil SLD is really inflating it, I try to buy frugally

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Think [[Subtlety]] is worth running as well or nah?

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abstract dock
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I tried it and I don't like it as much

glacial vault
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yeah harder to make it work

abstract dock
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It harder to abuse without instant exile return

glacial vault
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Exactly

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There's a reason solitude sees so much more play haha

abstract dock
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Creature and pw is very narrow as well

glacial vault
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and the fact that it has to be while it's in spell form

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if it worked like [[Venser, Shaper Savant]] I think it'd be utterly broken

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glacial vault
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that's definitely what holds it back

abstract dock
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There [[draining whelk]]

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abstract dock
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But it alot more higher

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Venser bounces land it broken

glacial vault
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hmm yeah I feel like the cmc is just too high

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venser is a wincon

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plus preston and felidar for example, that's gg

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infinite felidar guardians, bounce everything opponents have in play

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but if subtlety were "bounce target pw/creature spell or perm" I think that'd be pretty broken, even if it couldn't do lands like venser can

abstract dock
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Usually can deploy venser as a bounce piece without the combo

glacial vault
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Yeah it's solid countermagic as well

abstract dock
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Got many blink effect to protect it

glacial vault
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I like the ones that are versatile like that

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I have a teleportation circle somewhere, should I throw that in? you mentioned it earlier, something you run?

abstract dock
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Yeah but I would have a might lower cmc curve to proc on creatures I want to have on

glacial vault
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Easier to slot in cards I currently have, but the others we've talked about I'm slowly acquiring

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but don't feel like I'm ignoring the other suggestions, I just only update a card on the list when I actually have it in the deck

abstract dock
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i would stack up on 1 mana blink cards and 1 mana counterspells

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dropping brago at 4 is pretty much like kaalia and people will start to kill your commander immediately

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i forgot [[glenn elen}} as well

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[[glen elen]]

wary harnessBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/opca/28/glen-elendra

Glen Elendra

Plane — Lorwyn
At end of combat, you may exchange control of target creature you control that dealt combat damage to a player this combat and target creature that player controls.
Whenever chaos ensues, gain control of target creature you own.

abstract dock
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[[glen elendra archmange]]

glacial vault
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[[Glen Elen archmage]]

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abstract dock
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i saw [[Angel of indemnity]] probably a better hit instead of sun

wary harnessBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/otc/9/angel-of-indemnity

Angel of Indemnity <:mana5:292901508796645386><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Angel Warrior
Flying, lifelink
When this creature enters, return target permanent card with mana value 4 or less from your graveyard to the battlefield.
Encore mana6manawmanaw (mana6manawmanaw, Exile this card from your graveyard: For each opponent, create a token copy that attacks that opponent this turn if able. They gain haste. Sacrifice them at the beginning of the next end step. Activate only as a sorcery.)
5/5

glacial vault
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I already cut sun titan, actually

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I dunno if I wanna include this til I get the curve a little lower

abstract dock
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[[Recruiter of the Guard]] is good too if you got many hits

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glacial vault
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Yeah it's on my "to buy" list

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It just got reprinted too so prolly as low as it's gonna get for a while

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actually it looks like a really bad time to buy it unfortunately, aetherdrift spiked it presumably because of the gearhulks

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so we'll see if it falls post-release

glacial vault
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[[Omen of the sea]] worth running?

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abstract dock
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Yeah it pretty good. You do want a couple of 2/3 cmc draws to smooth out your curve

glacial vault
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If I switch to snow basics, would [[Astrolabe]] be worth?

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glacial vault
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[[Arcum's Astrolabe]]

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abstract dock
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Depends how you see it

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I'm not changing every basic for 1 card in my deck

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If you think the boost in power is worth it go ahead

glacial vault
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I mean, it's another cheap flicker target, and it also fixes, I have a lot of 2-pip stuff that it's nice to have that extra bit of fixing security on

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I have the snow lands on hand already

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going back and forth on Swifties as another haste giver for Brago, greaves costing zero just makes them so much more flexible, but the backup of boots might be worth it

abstract dock
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yeah it pretty good if you have snow lands already

glacial vault
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Tryna find other cheap draw effects and flicker effects I've missed. Wall of Omens and Astrolabe are on the "add when they arrive" list but other things I've missed would be good