#Kuramonix, Budget Rat Tribal EDH

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zealous anvil
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Hi all! I'm building out this budget rat tribal deck, and I'm running into consistency issues where my hand is almost never full, which leads to my boardstate being rather empty. Are there any options out there where I could be passively/actively drawing cards while staying in theme (and in the budget range of ~$25)? I primarily use blue and blue/white, so monoblack is very new to me.

Edit: I'm also not sure what all I would need to cut for the new support, so any help in determining what is necessary and what is not helpful would also be greatly appreciated!

Here is the decklist: https://www.moxfield.com/decks/mDE_IIvOnEWZfQdVH2KdJw

Moxfield
Karumonix, Budget Rat Tribal - Commander (Karumonix, the Rat King)

A deck created using the deck building website, Moxfield.

lusty star
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First of all [[pack rat]]
[[Nashi Moon Sage's Scion]]
[[Lord skitter]]
[[Insatiable frugivore]]

torn laurelBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/otc/143/nashi-moon-sages-scion

Nashi, Moon Sage's Scion <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Rat Ninja
Ninjutsu mana3manab (mana3manab, Return an unblocked attacker you control to hand: Put this card onto the battlefield from your hand tapped and attacking.)
Whenever Nashi, Moon Sage's Scion deals combat damage to a player, exile the top card of each player's library. Until end of turn, you may play one of those cards. If you cast a spell this way, pay life equal to its mana value rather than paying its mana cost.
3/2

lusty star
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As a better creature packege

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As for card advantage you might want to consider [[dark tutelage]] or [[darkstar augur]]

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lusty star
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[[Pact of the serpent]]

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lusty star
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[[Liliana's contract]]

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lusty star
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[[Coveted jewel]]

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lusty star
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Also [[eye of vecna]] or [[unholy annex]]

torn laurelBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/dsk/118/unholy-annex-ritual-chamber

Unholy Annex <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920>

Enchantment — Room
At the beginning of your end step, draw a card. If you control a Demon, each opponent loses 2 life and you gain 2 life. Otherwise, you lose 2 life.
(You may cast either half. That door unlocks on the battlefield. As a sorcery, you may pay the mana cost of a locked door to unlock it.)

Ritual Chamber mana3manabmanab
Enchantment — Room
When you unlock this door, create a 6/6 black Demon creature token with flying.
(You may cast either half. That door unlocks on the battlefield. As a sorcery, you may pay the mana cost of a locked door to unlock it.)

lusty star
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You can also try playing [[krrrik]] or [[defiler of flesh]] for discount

torn laurelBOT
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No card found for “krrrik”

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https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/90/defiler-of-flesh

Defiler of Flesh <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Phyrexian Horror
Menace
As an additional cost to cast black permanent spells, you may pay 2 life. Those spells cost manab less to cast if you paid life this way. This effect reduces only the amount of black mana you pay.
Whenever you cast a black permanent spell, target creature you control gets +1/+1 and gains menace until end of turn.
4/4

lusty star
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[[Kirrik]]

torn laurelBOT
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No card found for “Kirrik”

lusty star
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[[K rrik]]

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lusty star
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Finally

lusty star
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You can tell me which ones you like

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And then I'll suggest some cuts

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@zealous anvil

zealous anvil
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Yooo! Thank you! Sorry for the late response, I just woke up. I'll have to take a deeper look after classes!

lusty star
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Where you from?

zealous anvil
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MidWest USA

lusty star
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Ok so what time zone it is?

zealous anvil
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EST

lusty star
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So I'll be probably heading to sleep by the time you've read it

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So I can respond tomorrow just saying

zealous anvil
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I'm definitely interested in putting in Nashi, Insatiable Frugivore, Dark Tutelage, Darkstar Augur, Coveted Jewel, Eye of Vecna, Unholy Annex//Ritual Chamber, and Defiler of Flesh.

Sorry for the late response, life came up and got in the way.

lusty star
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Ok

lusty star
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  1. Drainpipe Vermin
  2. Burglar Rat
  3. Gnawing Vermin
  4. Mukotai Ambusher
  5. Forever Young
  6. Syphon Mind/Not Dead after all
  7. Feign Death
  8. Grim Affliction
lusty star
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[[Twisted sewer witch]]

torn laurelBOT
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https://scryfall.com/card/woe/114/twisted-sewer-witch

Twisted Sewer-Witch <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Human Warlock
When Twisted Sewer-Witch enters, create a 1/1 black Rat creature token with "This creature can't block." Then for each Rat you control, create a Wicked Role token attached to that Rat. (If you control another Role on it, put that one into the graveyard. Enchanted creature gets +1/+1. When this Aura is put into a graveyard, each opponent loses 1 life.)
3/4

lusty star
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[[Chittering skitterling]]

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zealous anvil
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Siiick! Thank you so much! I'll have to test it out!

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winged walrus
# zealous anvil Hi all! I'm building out this budget rat tribal deck, and I'm running into consi...

Long time rat player, have tested a good portion of rat commanders. Karumonix himself isnt especially powerful and especially on a budget (just the nature of non-colony rats being really bad).

Right now, 7 of your 30 creatures are not rats. With only 23 rats, its likely leading to some inconsistency with Karumonix when he ideally should be a semi reliable way to draw cards on ETB.

Another main issue is that from what I can tell, you have close to zero forms of evasion for your rats. Considering how lackluster a lot of rats are, simply being 1/1s with an etb and such, it is unlikely that you'll be hitting enough to kill them with poison. Ideally with someone like karu, youre wanting to go faster than others, and I expect that to be difficult currently with the curve and overall lack of rats/evasion.

For your draw spells, I'm not a fan of the ones that require sacrifice. In a deck like Karu, and considering your current rat count, you don't really have the spare creatures to throw into these spells. I'm also not crazy about stuff like coveted jewel or the eye of vecna. Theyre fighting your curve and are likely to disrupt your early game. In the case of the jewel, considering you have close to no ramp, I doubt that it will be very castable. Id look at a sign in blood at the very least.

There is a lack of any type of ramp in the deck which is probably contributing to some of you challenges.

Cards like bad moon are not very useful for you as you want evasion, not stats. There wont be much of a difference on whether your opponent blocks a 1/1 or a 2/2

zealous anvil
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Note: I'm looking to pick up the deck in one shot, so any sort of editing done now is money saved.

winged walrus
# zealous anvil Got ya. I agree with all of your points. I've been trying to find good evasion a...

[[wave of rats]] [[cover of darkness]] and theres a few artifacts that can do it for a turn but Im blanking at the moment, its a bit tough in mono black. Without budget theres stuff like Marrow Gnawer and Ashcoat stat balling them. [[feed the infection]] is a suggestion. [[crippling fear]] may help you get in. [[read the bones]] [[dirge of the dead]] is like a budget mg for a turn. [[phyresis outbreak]] may help get in.

zealous anvil
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[[Wave of Rats]]

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zealous anvil
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[[Cover of Darkness]]

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zealous anvil
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[[Feed the infection]]

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zealous anvil
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[[Crippiling Fear]]

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zealous anvil
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[[Phyresis Outbreak]]