I have thrown this together as extreme budget build https://www.moxfield.com/decks/GyjgMlZeFE2UtYhrd1D9Vg where should i start to upgrade it
#Eriette the beguiler (extreme budget build)
craggy flax
craggy flax
i know the ramp is poor looking to replace lockets and cluestones
timid hare
Ok so we are making esper?
keen sedge
My question is: What does this deck do when Eriette isn't on the battlefield?
looking over the list, it's kinda lacking in some basic areas like card draw and removal. You're going super hard into auras, but don't really run a lot of the usual enchantress payoffs that make these decks tick.
I'd suggest looking at some other enchantment heavy decks.
Definitely consider running all the "draw cards whenever you cast an enchantment" type cards. [[mesa enchantress]] [[sram senior]] [[kor spiritdancer]]
keen sedge
You also want a lot of protection for Eriette. The worst thing that can happen to you is that someone kills Eriette in response to you casting an aura on one of their creatures, so she never triggers and you just gave them a free aura.
And again, consider what your deck is doing when Eriette isn't around. I guess you can slam auras on your own cratures, but that's an incredibly fragile gameplan that also requires a lot of protection to work.
Maybe consider running some offensive enchantment payoffs like [[sigil of the empty throne]]
zenith pawnBOT
craggy flax
You also want a lot of protection for Eriette. The worst thing that can happen t...
Tried to build it as cheap as possible, will have a look through what i have and i will add some of the suggestions, the point of building it is as a budget deck so i am not going for top whack cards also think building more than 1 deck at a time has limited my thoughts a little
keen sedge
building on a budget doesn't mean you can't do any of the things I described
inf act a lot of the cards I recommended are fairly cheap iirc
budget deck building also doesn't mean you can't follow the standard deck building principals. There are loads of budget card draw and removal spells you can run. You don't have to run the topend like Rhystic study or necropotence or whatever for a deck to still be able to do its things consistently on a budget
craggy flax
budget deck building also doesn't mean you can't follow the standard deck buildi...
yeah got quite a few cards i should have added for draw, like [[quick study]] and such plus board wipes i should have added, gonna try from scratch
zenith pawnBOT
keen sedge
quickstudy is ok, though there's better stuff. ideally you want the card draw to be repeatable, like the ones I listed.
Black has a few pretty solid oneshot card draw spells.
[[Painful truths]] I run this in almost every 3 color black deck. 3 mana to draw 3 cards is a pretty good rate.
[[read the bones]] potentially digs 4 cards deep, which is also solid for 3 mana.
keen sedge
not sure how much [[$phyrexian arena]] costs now
zenith pawnBOT
keen sedge
still fairly low. The price crashed quite a bit.
it's fairly slow but if you're looking for a generic card draw engine, it still does its job ok
craggy flax
still fairly low. The price crashed quite a bit.
dont have the 3 white creatures but do have [[ashioks reaper]] [[grim guardian]] [[wicked visitor]] and [[read the bones]] as well as [[forsaken miner]] which i think will be a good creature to add pressure in this deck
zenith pawnBOT
Creature — Skeleton Rogue
Forsaken Miner can't block.
Whenever you commit a crime, you may pay 
. If you do, return Forsaken Miner from your graveyard to the battlefield. (Targeting opponents, anything they control, and/or cards in their graveyards is a crime.)
2/2
craggy flax
still fairly low. The price crashed quite a bit.
as well the new [[treasure dredger]] since i need ramp
zenith pawnBOT
Creature — Human Rogue
, 
, Pay 1 life: Create a Treasure token. (It's an artifact with ", Sacrifice this artifact: Add one mana of any color.")
The old miners' trail across Blacksnag Bog is littered with lost fortunes and the bones of those who searched for them.
2/2
lofty vessel
@craggy flax alright, I'm here to assist the best I can. First thing, this deck wants some expensive enchantments so 34 lands ain't gonna cut it IMO... I'd at least add two. Especially when we consider the amount of commander tax you'll likely get saddled with as E is an obvious KOS commander.
The other thing I'd like you consider is creature quality. 15 of the 26 enchantments in your main board can only steal 2 drops or lower... These aren't the creatures that will win us the game.
Here is a list of enchantments that are below $1 that are high enough MV to steal some juicy targets but also either draw you cards, offer protection, or perform some other strong function...
[[Righteous Authority]]
[[Fool's Demise]]
[[Zephid's Embrace]]
lofty vessel
[[Takklemaggot]]
[[Sage's Reverie]]
[[Protective Bubble]]
lofty vessel
[[Necrotic Plague]]
[[Holy Mantle]]
[[Zoetic Glyph]]
lofty vessel
[[Unquestioned Authority]]
[[Imprisoned in the Moon]]
[[Curator's Ward]]
zenith pawnBOT
Enchantment — Aura
Enchant creature, land, or planeswalker
Enchanted permanent is a colorless land with ": Add 
" and loses all other card types and abilities.
Only one vault was great enough to hold Emrakul.
lofty vessel
There is 12 solid enchantments that have a strong clear function in your deck.
While also being high enough on MV to steal some cool stuff
Also honorable mention to [[Dark Privilege]] it's only 2 mana but you shouldn't really be casting this on a creature to steal it, you are casting it to help protect Erriette.
zenith pawnBOT
lofty vessel
Even then the main function of this is to have that "Sacrifice a creature" text. If another player tries to remove an aura to get a creature back, this allows you to say "no, no, it's actually dead now, you no get it back"
As far as mana goes, Esper Talismans, Fellwar Stone, Arcane Signet are all under $1 as well.easy upgrade off the lockets and cluestones for like $5
Signets are also like a quarter each
For some solid cost reducers to even better help with casting these big mana enchantments.
[[Killian, ink duelist]]
[[Transcendent Envoy]]
[[Starfield Mystic]]
zenith pawnBOT
Legendary Creature — Human Warlock
Lifelink
Menace (This creature can't be blocked except by two or more creatures.)
Spells you cast that target a creature cost 
less to cast.
"When your father is Dean Embrose, second best really isn't an option."
2/2
Enchantment Creature — Griffin
Flying
Aura spells you cast cost less to cast.
"The first griffins were made by the gods to capture falling stars; they were given the keenest eyes and the swiftest wings, and sent to keep watch above the clouds." —The Cosmogony
1/2
Creature — Human Cleric
Enchantment spells you cast cost less to cast.
Whenever an enchantment you control is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, put a +1/+1 counter on Starfield Mystic.
"The realm of the gods opens before me!"
2/2
lofty vessel
Mystic is above a $1 but just over
[[hateful Eidolon]] is good draw on a 1 drop.
[[Bruna, Light of Alabaster]] is my list's wincon for when shit has hit the fan. Slam it down and 1 shot someone.
lofty vessel
[[winds of rath]] and [[unfinished business]] are both also solid.
lofty vessel
I think I'll stop there for now. When I tell you I have hundreds of cards just in a list for Erriette and 90% of them are below 50 cents, I'm not kidding you.
timid hare
First things first you lack interaction
You are playing some funny counter spells why don't you just the original [[Counterspell]]?
zenith pawnBOT
timid hare
[[$counterspell]]
zenith pawnBOT
zenith pawnBOT
timid hare
[[$shatter the oath]]
zenith pawnBOT
timid hare
[[Shatter the oath]]
zenith pawnBOT
timid hare
Also good things for you:
[[A tale for ages]]
[[Archon of the Wild rose]]
[[Invasion of theros]]
[[Heliod the radiant down]]
[[Eriette of charmed apple]]
[[All that glitters]]
[[Curiosity]]
[[Cloud key]]
I'll go find more stuff in a moment
lofty vessel
You are playing some funny counter spells why don't you just the original [[Coun...
I strongly disagree with this spell's inclusion. Budget decks need flexible interaction
craggy flax
[[Shatter the oath]]
putting that in new list
lofty vessel
With his mana base, he will find it difficult to leave 2 blue up to potentially interact outside of his turn.
Double pips on his enchantments would be fine, but the removal has to be maximum flexibility.
craggy flax
yeah running [[annul]] in new list
zenith pawnBOT
lofty vessel
https://scryfall.com/card/woe/106/shatter-the-oath
This is fine, but literally any 5 mana enchantment with commander on board steals in instead of destroying it
craggy flax
but alot of ramp artifacts are played in commander
lofty vessel
@craggy flax your interaction, need to be cheap, low cost. Your big mana spells need to be stealing stuff
5 mana should be a power swinging spell, not an effect that you could get from [[anguished unmaking]]
zenith pawnBOT
craggy flax
i agree but annul is 1 blue to destroy a ramp artifact may set them back a turn
lofty vessel
[[Feed the Swarm]]
zenith pawnBOT
lofty vessel
i agree but annul is 1 blue to destroy a ramp artifact may set them back a turn
Annual is fine
I'm saying shattered oath is damn near useless
craggy flax
I'm saying shattered oath is damn near useless
👍
lofty vessel
If you want that effect at sorcery speed feed the swarm is your friend
craggy flax
As far as mana goes, Esper Talismans, Fellwar Stone, Arcane Signet are all under...
said at the beginning that lockets and cluestones will be the first to go they were only placeholders until i get the signets and talismans for them
lofty vessel
said at the beginning that lockets and cluestones will be the first to go they w...
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Q8csZ-4onEWvz8GLFJMYNw
This is my budget Eriette list, don't expect you to just copy paste it but maybe has some good ideas for cards you might want to run.
Nothing over a $1
Other than 1 card.
But Asinine Antics is pretty damn awesome in this deck so I'd highly advise running it despite that.
timid hare
I strongly disagree with this spell's inclusion. Budget decks need flexible inte...
Yes thats why counterspell is better than countersquall for example as it is more flexible
lofty vessel
Yes thats why counterspell is better than countersquall for example as it is mor...
Once again, I'd argue that while Countersquall also ain't the exact answer, I'd still rather run it on account of two facts. 1) I'm much more likely to have a Blue and Black happen to be floating around than a Blue/Blue. And 2) the only additional thing Spell does over Squall is counter creatures... But most creatures we want to hit the board bc then we can steal them.
timid hare
And shatter the oath was like oh yea removal + aura on second thought I can agree that it is not the best card in cmd. It played good for me in limited but this is cmd so you have a good point here
lofty vessel
And shatter the oath was like oh yea removal + aura on second thought I can agre...
If you could attach the Role to an opponent token, then I'd be more a fan... But it's only on something you already control
lofty vessel
Once again, I'd argue that while Countersquall also ain't the exact answer, I'd ...
To this point Negate is the best counter spell in this deck, hands down... Especially since it runs for like a Dime.
timid hare
Once again, I'd argue that while Countersquall also ain't the exact answer, I'd ...
I don't understand your 2. point? I mean yea we want creatures to hit the board but there are things like artifacts and enchantments too that can be game ending
Also you won't have cmd all the time
And when this happens and some big creatures come in it would be devastating
timid hare
I don't understand your 2. point? I mean yea we want creatures to hit the board ...
Oh sry miss read the card it counters other things too so nvm
Like I overally think that counerspell can be better bc like I said you have some unpredictable situations and also your cmd won't be around all the time. Another thing is that you won't always draw that aura that allows you to steal a creature
It is just so unrestricted that makes it the most flexible I'd say.
UU may be sometimes odd cost I agree
lofty vessel
I don't understand your 2. point? I mean yea we want creatures to hit the board ...
Countersquall counters anything other than a creature so the only thing Counterspell would do for you is also allow you to counter those.
timid hare
But I think you can see the board and predict when you need to save that UU
lofty vessel
But I think you can see the board and predict when you need to save that UU
This deck need alot of blue for it's best enchantments
Like White is top prio, but Blue is like some money stuff
All your shroud, hexproof, flying, and unblockability enchantments use pretty much exclusively blue
lofty vessel
UU may be sometimes odd cost I agree
In most decks the cost is irrelevant, but he is going to budget on the lands for now that it's just too restrictive. Like if he is drawing just basic lands, and he only has 2 islands, he can't cast anything else with blue to hold up a Counterspell he might not end up needing.
timid hare
All your shroud, hexproof, flying, and unblockability enchantments use pretty mu...
Are there protection enchantments at all in this deck?
lofty vessel
Are there protection enchantments at all in this deck?
In his current build, not really, but he should change that
You need them for this thing
Eriette is so KOS it's not funny
timid hare
In most decks the cost is irrelevant, but he is going to budget on the lands for...
Rn you are using an argument "interaction is weak bc your opponents maybe won't cast anything"
Which is same as "dies to removal"
lofty vessel
Rn you are using an argument "interaction is weak bc your opponents maybe won't ...
I'm saying that interaction is weak bc it will literally make you halt your gameplan to use it
There is good interaction in these colors, that doesn't drown in the face of drawing just basics
Like on turn 8, you want to be able to comfortably cast a big aura, and hold up mana, right now this deck will struggle to do that
timid hare
I'm saying that interaction is weak bc it will literally make you halt your game...
I honestly think that this deck can be overall cheaper with cheaper enchantments and better tbh when I look at it
Cheaper enchantments = steal more things
More lands= more Mana to cast more cheaper enchantments
=
More Mana left for interaction
And other synergy cards
I'd add 2 lands for sure
This is deck that likes to mess with your opponents gameplan
lofty vessel
Cheaper enchantments = steal more things
In higher level games this would be true
In battle cruiser, not really
timid hare
In battle cruiser, not really
Battle cruiser?
lofty vessel
Lower level slower commander
timid hare
Oh ok
lofty vessel
All the spells increase in MV
People aren't running docksides and esper sentinels that you would love to steal
You might see those cards occasionally, but generally not. And when you do, a 3 mana aura steals them just the same as one for 2 mana
Also here is the bigger bigger thing
The best thing you can steal is other people's commanders
Because those cards, only have to do 21 damage to kill people
timid hare
People aren't running docksides and esper sentinels that you would love to steal
I still think that just casting let's say [[aqueous form]] to steal smth like idk [[sun titan]] is good
lofty vessel
And most CMDs are like 3-5 mana
lofty vessel
I still think that just casting let's say [[aqueous form]] to steal smth like id...
It has to be a higher MV aura to steal the thing
So you don't steal it
timid hare
Just stealing big fight stuff and giving it unblockability seems great
lofty vessel
But you need a 6 CMC aura to steal sun titan
timid hare
It has to be a higher MV aura to steal the thing
Oh ok that's how it works
lofty vessel
Then sure, giving it flying for a single mana is great
timid hare
Then this can be harder for sure
lofty vessel
That's why everything in saying about pips and MVs is so important
Balancing three colors with this strategy on a budget is hard man
timid hare
I'd run just a lot if cheap(in$) tutoring to make sure we have like 6cmc enchantment
lofty vessel
And so, if a removal spell needs more than 1 pip, and it's not a wrath, it's cut for me
lofty vessel
I'd run just a lot if cheap(in$) tutoring to make sure we have like 6cmc enchan...
I actually only run two in my main Eriette list
And to be honest, if someone slams down a sun titan ... I'm just going to steal all the shit they bring back with it instead.
Bc 80% of my deck can't get return with ST
timid hare
So I would say much more interaction so we don't get bonked by big things and big enchantments with flash
To steal the sweetest things
timid hare
And to be honest, if someone slams down a sun titan ... I'm just going to steal ...
I gave an example bc it was first thing to come in my head
lofty vessel
I gave an example bc it was first thing to come in my head
That's probably the only 6 drop that isn't instantly winning the game I can think of
timid hare
That's probably the only 6 drop that isn't instantly winning the game I can thin...
Ok idk
Like
lofty vessel
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Q8csZ-4onEWvz8GLFJMYNw
This is my budget Eriette...
@timid hare peep this
timid hare
Anything else
lofty vessel
I slapped that deck list together in like 30 minutes. After I cut the 50 most expensive cards from my main list and replaced them
timid hare
I slapped that deck list together in like 30 minutes. After I cut the 50 most ex...
What are you trying to prove?
lofty vessel
It's not the best but that gives a general shape of the deck
Helps put in perspective like the counts this thing of ours needs to run smoothly, bc the strategy is pretty jank all things considered
timid hare
Ok great
This is not the only strategy available
You can just play control as I said earlier
lofty vessel
I mean it's all control
timid hare
It is also cheap
lofty vessel
Stealing people's stuff is just control but at least they get to see their cool creatures killing people
The key thing that list has that this current list doesn't is sac outlets
Need them
Pretty core part of the strategy
timid hare
So I would say much more interaction so we don't get bonked by big things and bi...
Control like this
lofty vessel
1 Austere Command or Cleansing Nova ruins your day without sac outlets
lofty vessel
So I would say much more interaction so we don't get bonked by big things and bi...
I mean, it's tough to say
You can use Protection enchants to keep your stuff from dying... But wipes may be a problem
You can use counter magic to stop the opposition
timid hare
You can use Protection enchants to keep your stuff from dying... But wipes may b...
Like you can always counter wipe
In control
lofty vessel
Flash enchants are always preferred though
timid hare
That's what you do
zenith pawnBOT
timid hare
And control is pretty easy to understand. Anything that hurts you=interaction. Nice thing=steal. You can't counter?=destroy.
You can't do any of that=surrender lol
lofty vessel
And control is pretty easy to understand. Anything that hurts you=interaction. N...
I mean, that what my list does pretty much.
Counters or destroy stuff while you set up the pieces to steal stuff. Then you steal stuff and start turning that stuff 90 degrees
If shit hits the fan and you get wiped
Cast Bruna and dome the MF who wiped your board
timid hare
I'd count interaction you have but I am too lazy🤣 I will just say that I think good control needs at least 15 interaction cards
That's my opinion only
Also why don't you run 2nd erriete?
She is pretty good drain
And what's more a back up plan why your cmd gets blown
lofty vessel
I'd count interaction you have but I am too lazy🤣 I will just say that I think ...
Let's see. It's running like 17 give or take
timid hare
Ok
lofty vessel
If an enchantment will outright kill whatever you attach it to, I counted it
timid hare
On instant speed every?
lofty vessel
Even if you really ideally want that while the commander is on board
lofty vessel
On instant speed every?
Nah, mostly operating slow... But once again, we are in low budget battle cruiser so everyone else will be slow
timid hare
On instant speed every?
Like if not you can go with [[heliod the radiant down]]
zenith pawnBOT
lofty vessel
Helios ain't terrible
timid hare
[[Heliod, radiant]]
zenith pawnBOT
Legendary Enchantment Creature — God
When Heliod, the Radiant Dawn enters the battlefield, return target enchantment card that isn't a God from your graveyard to your hand.
: Transform Heliod, the Radiant Dawn. Activate only as a sorcery. ( can be paid with either 
or 2 life.)
"Compleat the faith, compleat the god." —Ajani Goldmane
4/4
Heliod, the Warped Eclipse
Legendary Enchantment Creature — Phyrexian God
You may cast spells as though they had flash.
Spells you cast cost less to cast for each card your opponents have drawn this turn.
"Compleat the god, compleat the plane." —Ajani Goldmane
4/6
timid hare
It's good
lofty vessel
I cut him bc everytime I cast him he got domed
Was hella annoying
People didn't like what I was already doing, and doing it cheaper and on their turns was just not allowed
timid hare
I'd say no wonder but you can always cast protection enchantment even from your graveyard for him
timid hare
People didn't like what I was already doing, and doing it cheaper and on their t...
That's why he is good
lofty vessel
I mean yeah, the issue was that my best protection spells are always on CMD first
timid hare
Yea sure
lofty vessel
So usually I didn't have the mana to cast him, flip him, and equip him
Like it was just too much even with a few cost reducers on board
lofty vessel
Even when that strategy was employed he still often died
If I threw on Indestructible, he was pathed
If I attempted to enchant with shroud, that spell was countered
timid hare
Give him shroud/hexproof and tell your opponents: deal with it
timid hare
Still etb can be pretty good
timid hare
That's why you need to run 10 lol
lofty vessel
That's why you need to run 10 lol
Nah, the enchantments are too good
Plus I need to run [[diamond valley]]
zenith pawnBOT
Land
, Sacrifice a creature: You gain life equal to the sacrificed creature's toughness.
timid hare
But going back to being serious
timid hare
Yea
lofty vessel
Doesn't tap for mana
timid hare
I am not talking it is not
lofty vessel
But that's alright
Honestly, may have to cut it as cool as it is.
I have a proxy of it but I need an alt for when the play group don't mess with proxies
timid hare
Heh
lofty vessel
[[martyrs cause]]
zenith pawnBOT
lofty vessel
Exsqueeze me... Do you see the power of this card
lofty vessel
Martyrs cause should be an auto include in every Eriette deck
lofty vessel
You can choose 1 creature at a time
I'll just need to save a lot of creatures
Also with this card it's great
lofty vessel
[[screams from Within]]
zenith pawnBOT
timid hare
We need to finish Steven's deck
lofty vessel
So as many 3 or less MV creatures as exist you can prevent damage
lofty vessel
Or create your own post
I do have my own post... Actually kind of forgot about it
lofty vessel
Also, [[Orzhova Charm]] is pretty fantabulous dirt cheap @craggy flax
zenith pawnBOT
lofty vessel
Third mode is pretty useless, buuuut it protect you from commander tax or destroys something which is nice.
timid hare
@craggy flax two things:
Don't read all that shit we just written (unless you have too much time)
Tell me if you want to play more like:
Counter, Counter, counter, oh sweet thing... mein!
Or go more wide woth stealing
craggy flax
[[$kor spiritdancer]]
zenith pawnBOT
craggy flax
<@1214623400702644237> two things:
Don't read all that shit we just written (unl...
although not perfect i made a few changes today and i think it looks a bit better https://www.moxfield.com/decks/cGLhjlgFLkWnX6XHXq_FpQ