bright lion
Hey all, built my first colourless deck recently that ive been wanting to do for ages. I was just looking for any suggestions or cuts to the deck or other cards maybe im missing? Trying to keep the budget low with this brew which is not easy with Eldrazi lol. Feel like i need more draw power or just that something is missing.
Appreciate any help!
spiral shaleBOT
quartz kraken
[[Geode Golem]] can be good too
spiral shaleBOT
quartz kraken
i run a [[Planar Bridge]] in mine to help draw the spicey sauce
spiral shaleBOT
Legendary Artifact
, 
: Search your library for a permanent card, put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle.
"It is finished. Now the real work can begin." —Tezzeret
quartz kraken
[[Rise of the Eldrazi]]
spiral shaleBOT
quartz kraken
and 100% you should have [[Eldrazi Conscription]]
spiral shaleBOT
quartz kraken
[[Eye of Ugin]]
spiral shaleBOT
Legendary Land
Colorless Eldrazi spells you cast cost 
less to cast.
, : Search your library for a colorless creature card, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle.
An eye closes. A race awakens.
quartz kraken
cant really recommend many cards for you to remove. Id say you need Fast mana and card draw for sure
Breaker of Armies can probably go
i find my eldrazi deck which is similar to yours, i just run those cards i mentioned, suffers the same. If i draw bad i dont do anything for a few turns
I run [[Ulamog, Ceaseless Hunger]]
spiral shaleBOT
quartz kraken
as my commander. cause hes funny
This is mine.
Its not amazing. Can get swarmed by PL6 players who go "oo scary eldrazi" way too easily.
But your mana base for creatures I think is better than mine
bright lion
Whats ya budget to upgrade?
I would love to have ugin but that's a bit more than what I'm wanting to spend
bright lion
https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/386/geode-golem
Oh that's awesome
quartz kraken
I was lucky, my mate gave me a good chuck of his ex-eldrazi deck
quartz kraken
Oh that's awesome
yeah equip lightning greezes when summoned and attack with it
Geode golem will get targetted hard if its on the board for too long
they dont want ya big guy coming out
especially me with ulamog haha
bright lion
https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/5/ulamog-the-ceaseless-hunger
My buddy might trade me on soon!
bright lion
especially me with ulamog haha
Oh for sure
quartz kraken
wonder why you dont run [[Zhulodok, Void Gorger]] as your commander
spiral shaleBOT
bright lion
I like Koz better
quartz kraken
fair
bright lion
Just don't want people to think I spent $200 CAD on that precon lol
pale pebble
things I'd cut: all the mana dorks, rather use more mana rocks in their place - you can use untapped mana rocks, and they're more difficult to remove. You can potentially keep palladium myr though that's basically the only decent value mana dork in colourless
cut endless one, lux canon's super slow, burnished heart is overrated
crashing drawbridge is super meh unless you're casting multiple creatures per turn. if greaves are not enough haste for you then add a swiftfoot boots
cut environmental sciences in favor of more mana rocks
budget it really the main concern I suppose
this is my build https://www.moxfield.com/decks/bp8r4_CMHUOgKKwg9EhUig admittedly it's definitely not a budget deck, but maybe it could give some inspiration
you should really add as many of the instant interactions in as possible.
I also went all in on untapped mana rocks and infinite mana combos as well as untappers for extra value (works best with big 3+ mana rocks)
akroma's memorial is an excellent finisher
some budget-friendly additions: metalwork colossus, triplicate titan, phyrexian triniform, flayer of loyalties, steel hellkite, stonespeaker crystal is strictly better than ur-golem's eye / sisay's ring, consider a sol talisman, nettlecyst goes great with lots of artifacts, palantir for card draw that synergises with high-mana-value decks
in terms of lands, one must-have when casting large endrazi is homeward-path. getting them stolen or cast from your deck by someone else really sucks and this solves all that
hope that helps
I'd also highly recommend flash-enablers like skittering cicada and liberator, especially if you have unwinding clock. They help make up for the interaction gap with colourless
plus it means you might get to actually untap with your creatures on the battlefield
bright lion
akroma's memorial is an excellent finisher
looks awesome but a bit out of my price range right now
bright lion
things I'd cut: all the mana dorks, rather use more mana rocks in their place - ...
ill look into this! Im always nervous to have few creatures because my pod likes to go wide so im alwasy leaning on having more creatures
bright lion
some budget-friendly additions: metalwork colossus, triplicate titan, phyrexian ...
Thanks so much for the suggestion im gonna look em all up!
pale pebble
ill look into this! Im always nervous to have few creatures because my pod likes...
You could add a ratchet bomb to dumpster go-wides while you ramp
bright lion
You could add a ratchet bomb to dumpster go-wides while you ramp
oh my lord that would be hilarous on my buddies goblin deck
question i thought a fellwar stone wouldnt work in the deck since you commander has no colour? or was i wrong in that assumption ?
pale pebble
Steel hellkite is also great for wiping tokens (one player at a time though, but repeatable)
pale pebble
question i thought a fellwar stone wouldnt work in the deck since you commander ...
It still has a colorless identity even though it taps for colours
The identity is all about what mana icons are literally printed on it
bright lion
so would an arcane signet work too then?
im still new ish to magic and sometimes the rules bug me out lol
pale pebble
Oh I see what your question is. Fellwar taps for other people's mana colours, arcane signet / command tower taps for any colour your commander has, which is none
So fellwar works but arcane doesn't
In the extremely unlikely case that you are playing a commander game against 3 colorless decks and none of them have any lands that can produce colours then fellwar is useless
bright lion
oh okay! awesome!
no my pod hates me atm for making a colourless deck, but i think its fair
pale pebble
Even your deck, which is colorless, has lands like crystal grotto and mycosinth which can produce any colour under certain conditions, so even those enable fellwar stone. It's nigh impossible to get a useless fellwar
You'd have to pretty much be against 3 colorless decks which only played basic wastes lol
Which is absurd
bright lion
man i just looked up skittering cicada.. thats going in the deck
pale pebble
Metalwork colossus is awesome for these decks because you can usually cast it for free and you still get cascade from zhulodok
bright lion
im trying to find him rn on my lgs sites but in the reto art, tried to get all my artifacts for this deck in brown for some odd reason
pale pebble
Haha nice
bright lion
if i have a mox amber or a one ring i might as well throw them into the deck right?
pale pebble
Mox amber is gonna be useless lol but one ring is incredible
bright lion
oh yep just re read what amber does haha my bad
pale pebble
Cool strat is you can use mycosinth garden to get rid of the one ring
If it's killing you
bright lion
question about your deck, The Irencrag do you use that simply for mana or is the ability good too?
pale pebble
Or sculpting steel
bright lion
Cool strat is you can use mycosinth garden to get rid of the one ring
i never thoght of that
pale pebble
question about your deck, The Irencrag do you use that simply for mana or is the...
I don't think I've ever transformed it lol
It's just a 2 cost untapped colorless source
bright lion
oh damn Liquimetal Torque this is great
pale pebble
Oh yeah that one's sneaky because in response to an artifact board wipe you can make sure your opponent will lose their best thing
bright lion
oh damn thats a good idea
pale pebble
Prismatic lens is the other 2 cost mana rock that everyone forgets about
bright lion
should i drop the foundry inspector? i dont think so right
pale pebble
I would yeah
Easily removed and not that much value unless you draw into mystic forge
I'd take another untapper like voltaic key
At worst they make your mana rocks bigger, at best you can get some infinite combos with some more pieces
Rings of brighthearth can combo off with either basalt monolith or voltaic key + a 4+ mana rock for infinite mana
Not to mention the basalt + forsaken combo
bright lion
atm on my buy list of some quick changes from tonights info ive got
pale pebble
Oh yeah, wandering archaic is value city against spellslinger decks
bright lion
At worst they make your mana rocks bigger, at best you can get some infinite com...
thank the sweet lord I have store credit at my lgs lol
ive got $30 of store credit to play with
pale pebble
Nice
bright lion
but im just worried im moving to far from eldrazi theme to artifact theme if that makes sense?
bright lion
Oh yeah, wandering archaic is value city against spellslinger decks
my budddy just built the new obeka deck with the upkeeps... its horrible he went through a whole dungon twice
pale pebble
The problem is a bunch of the older eldrazi (apart from the titans) are just kinda nerfed.
Especially by todays standards
bright lion
and there too damn expensive
pale pebble
They are pretty pricy yeah
But either way, you have to build a ton of artifacts in order to successfully ramp up to casting eldrazi
That's just the facts
pale pebble
Either that or add green and change commander
But then you're green ramp, not eldrazi
bright lion
one thing i was wondering did my lands seem okay? i know you mentioned that one that gets you your stuff back but its a bit out of my range rn
bright lion
Either that or add green and change commander
almost all my other decks have either black or green im trying something new lol
pale pebble
Honestly any utility lands will give you value. I'd suggest just adding any remotely decent utility lands until you have like 5 or fewer basics left
There's obviously some standouts but those are usually a bit on the pricier side
One of the new big score lands is super good - fomori vault, but again, pricier
bright lion
i spent all my money on green and black lands
i cant live without my cabal coffers and tomb of yawg or my phyrexian tower... sadly all useless in this deck lol
pale pebble
Oh also I would possibly avoid tapped lands like guild less commons and conditionals like temple of false gods
pale pebble
i cant live without my cabal coffers and tomb of yawg or my phyrexian tower... s...
Well you can technically play tomb of yawg here heh
Not that it'll help much
bright lion
Oh also I would possibly avoid tapped lands like guild less commons and conditio...
so no cathedral of war?
pale pebble
so no cathedral of war?
Nope, not worth it
If you're dropping 10/10 bombs an extra +1 is pointless
bright lion
fair point
pale pebble
A more consistent mana base that doesn't screw you does wonders
Drawing false gods early game will just mean a bad time, however tempting that thing is
bright lion
with tomb in play its not so bad lol
pale pebble
Keep in mind that you'll probably only be casting 1 or 2 things (other than mana rocks) per turn max until mid game, so missing a land drop can be brutal when you expected to drop the 8 mana bomb that turn but you're on 7
bright lion
my love of tallships is telling me i need a Rishadan Port
pale pebble
Couldn't hurt
bright lion
im so dumb i dont have a reliquary tower
bright lion
MY CAVERN OF SOULS WOULD BE PERFECT
i thought it tapped for mana of mycommander but it taps for colourless too right
pale pebble
It taps for colorless, but you can tap it for some other color when casting eldrazi to make them uncounterable
It suits the deck great
If I had one I'd add it
bright lion
man, you are making ym deck so much better. Thank you!
pale pebble
Heh np, I've been tuning my one for a while so happy to help
bright lion
ive got a really old fucked up inkmoth nexus thats gotta go in there i assume?
pale pebble
Eh, couldnt hurt, but usually you want to be doing other things than wasting mana pumping the creature lands
But could save you in a pinch
bright lion
Benny thank you for all the help once again!
ill shoot you the deck list one i fix her up if youd like!
but i gotta go to bed its way to late
night!
pale pebble
Night
pale pebble
One other thing, it's no shadowspear, but a basilisk collar is great for cheap lifelink on your big beater
Makes up for the hits you take early game while ramping
bright lion
Okay friends ! heres some changes ive done!
pale pebble
Looking good, now you just need to see how it plays out
Also btw if you didn't already know, you can use moonsilver key to tutor for forsaken monument
Often a better choice than a normal mana rock
bright lion
Yes! A guy at my LGS told me about that which is f****** awesome
past hawk
im new... ( All is Dust ) Each player sacrifices all permanents they control that are one or more colors. / so all 
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color surviv ? ._.
pale pebble
Absolutely. He synergises best with artifact heavy decks
Also turns off all your opponents' mana rocks
pale pebble
You can also rescue something valuable from exile
past hawk
im very new and i lose on fallout deck i struggle on mana artifact) i have (Thran Dynamo) but is there more like sol ring etc. :p
or just skill issue
pale pebble
im very new and i lose on fallout deck i struggle on mana artifact) i have (Thra...
Thran dynamo and sol ring are some of the best mana rocks, but there's plenty others
Take a look at my list I posted above, I'm running nearly all the colorless-giving untapped mana rocks
Pretty sure the only one I'm not running is "ur-golem's eye"
past hawk
Zhulodok, Void Gorger how does the cascade,cascade work ?
pale pebble
Zhulodok, Void Gorger how does the cascade,cascade work ?
2 cascades go on the stack as you cast the spell
past hawk
so i get 2 card on field or still 1 ? :p
spiral shaleBOT
past hawk
4 cascade holly molly
so after this cast (10) i can flip on top 4 card on value of 10 or i can get 4x10 ?
pale pebble
You flip cards until you hit one with value 9 or less, then you may cast that for free
You can't choose
pale pebble
You don't have control over what you hit, so you hope it'll be something good and not like a mana rock
pale pebble
So with overflowing it has a kicker, which you're still allowed to pay when casting it for free
So it's not worthless
past hawk
really
pale pebble
Yep
pale pebble
Yeah, as long as you can pay for the kickers
past hawk
oooh the multikicker >.<
pale pebble
If it was a card with X in it then that X would have to be zero, but kicker is an additional cost which you are still allowed to pay
past hawk
fuuuuuuk i mess that up
pale pebble
Dw it's not a very well known thing
A lot of ppl are confused by that
Even very experienced players
pale pebble
Right
past hawk
how i support zhulodok :p i had a land that make him god
but god dont safe from exile ?
pale pebble
how i support zhulodok :p i had a land that make him god
Yeah I know that one. It's not good enough to keep him alive
I find the best way to make sure you get the cascade is to use a flash enabler, flash zhulodok in at the end of the player before you's turn, then you get to untap with him
[[skittering cicada]]
pale pebble
[[liberator, Urza]]
spiral shaleBOT
pale pebble
[[veda or]]
spiral shaleBOT
pale pebble
[[Vedalken Orrery]]
spiral shaleBOT
pale pebble
The other way is to just make a bunch of mana using forsaken monument, enough to cast zhulodok and the 7+ spell on the same turn
That usually only works late game though
Colorless doesn't have enough protection to make sure he lives long enough to untap otherwise
Oh also, if you're lucky you can get lightning greaves on him then you should be okay
Might even be worth running a swiftfoot boots
bright lion
Hey all, played the deck for the first time in my pod
It's awesome!
But my buddy's brago deck messed it up pretty good. God I hate control blink so damn much
pale pebble
I hope the new MH3 set prints more colorless interaction tbh
At least echoes of eternity , the new enchantment that leaked yesterday seems pretty sweet
Blink is brutal if you don't have instant speed interaction
I guess you could run more board wipes to hopefully deal with them also
There's plenty of colorless board wipes
The problem is a bunch of the also hit your mana rocks
At least there's all is dust, calamity of the titans, and big ugin
I reckon a fun flavorful card for an eldrazi deck would be an artifact with tap to stifle an ability
Would really mess with people comboing off
The closest I can think of is [[Null Brooch]] but that is not quite what I'm looking for
spiral shaleBOT
Artifact
, , Discard your hand: Counter target noncreature spell.
Give away everything so others have nothing. —Brooch inscription
bright lion
yeah my buddies brago deck just always pops off and if we cant stop him turn 4-5 its pretty much gg
big ugin is the $40 planeswalker right? maybe one day ill pick him up lol
just wanted to say Benny thanks so much for the help with the deck, its now easily in my top 5 fac decks i own!
pale pebble
big ugin is the $40 planeswalker right? maybe one day ill pick him up lol
Should be more like 25-30 for the normal edition, but yeah still not cheap. But still one of the strongest planeswalkers in the game
pale pebble
just wanted to say Benny thanks so much for the help with the deck, its now easi...
Pleasure
bright lion
I don't know if you saw the spoilers for modern Horizon 3 lately but there's a colorless one cost instant that was just revealed and oh my God I think it's going to be a staple
pale pebble
Yeah I saw that, it looks fantastic
Any interaction is gonna be a banger
Also a 4 mana modal instant that lets you blink something just leaked
Omg and a 1 mana instant which gives creature protection from from coloured and has overload for 5 :O
I'm hyped
Mutated cultist + dark depths turn 2 combo lmao
lilac valve
As well as Eldrazi Confluence with Warping Wail and Elrazi displacer modes, and a new boardwipe
It all looks sick
bright lion
I can't wait
Curious, if there was one big upgrade I could do to my deck what do you think I should get
pale pebble
Currently? Probably either big ugin, chromatic orrery or Senseis diving top
I'd favor big ugin
One sided board wipes are just too good to ignore
If you can resolve him without any responses then it's often just GG, especially if you already have annihilators on the battlefield
bright lion
I'll look into big ugin! I was going to go with a ulamog lol
pale pebble
I'll look into big ugin! I was going to go with a ulamog lol
The titans are definitely strong, I was thinking of suggesting them, but as good as they are ugin will support what you already have better
Not that you shouldn't get a titan though
More annihilator + upside is powerful stuff
And ulamog ceaseless hunger is also an alternate wincon by milling them out
bright lion
My local LGS has an ugin for $41Cad might go grab him tomorrow
Part of me is wondering if it's worth it to get the Titans now before their price jumps up with the new modern Horizons three stuff coming out
pale pebble
No idea lol
There seems to be at least 2 new titans with the new set - the emrakul everyone knows about, plus a new ulamog that's been leaked (ulamog the defiler)
If you are gonna get 1 titan I'd probably suggest ulamog infinite gyre
Also being mill-proof from the OG titans should not be underestimated
bright lion
Could be a good idea, a buddy just got the moth man precon and wants to mill me out
All I ever did was mill him out once it twice with bruvac lol
pale pebble
Noice
past hawk
Emrakul, the Promised End
This spell costs 1 less to cast for each card type among cards in your graveyard.
Creature, Enchantment,..... ?
pale pebble
looks good
I'd say kozilek is better with a more competitive pod
ie. zholodok gets removed before you untap with him
but if you can activate him then it's GG
my current personal pick is liberator (even though he's not eldrazi)
bright lion
Yeah if I can get him out it's pretty awesome! I put the liberator in the 99 great for the Flash
I was just worried I took out maybe too many lands and didn't have enough man of rocks was a bit worried
pale pebble
that many lands looks pretty perfect to me
this is my current colourless build https://www.moxfield.com/decks/bp8r4_CMHUOgKKwg9EhUig
bright lion
I won't lie Benny I've been looking into your deck and kind of building off of it for my own
Lol
pale pebble
haha fair. I've definitely put a lot of thought into it
I really need to get me one of the new ulamogs
bright lion
I packed it I couldn't believe it
pale pebble
lucky bastard haha
bright lion
I packed everything in my deck from modern Horizons 3 except for the new Emarukul
I got super f****** lucky and got the ugin land and Koz in one pack
pale pebble
wait you got labyrinth too? wow
bright lion
Yeah I couldn't believe it
pale pebble
I've seen a bunch of people pull kozilek, but the others not so much
pale pebble
I also tried an all artifacts combo deck a little while back https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Xg-DWz6_xEquTJ_zUEECug it was pretty fun too
there's like a million combo lines in this bad boy
pale pebble
Since you play metalwork colossus you should take a look at the secret lair printing of it, I think it's pretty hilarious and it's very affordable
bright lion
the big bunny?
pale pebble
Yeah lol
