mint vapor
I come to seek the knowledge of this collective, and ask for opinions on making a Vaevictus Asmadi deck. The main strategy is to utilize cards from the top of my library and dish out massive amounts of damage, potentially lethal. This list is in need of refinement, but it's a start.
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/D97NMshcLEKDMHMjoDh-YA
neat crypt
have you tried other permanent ramp cards like [[omen of the hunt]] instead
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Enchantment
Flash
When Omen of the Hunt enters the battlefield, you may search your library for a basic land card, put it onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.
, Sacrifice Omen of the Hunt: Scry 2.
"My time will come, when no road will divide the endless verdure of the trees."
mint vapor
Actually all things considered, this would be good. I have also been debating on [[Conduit of Worlds]] and [[Bolas's Citadel]]
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Artifact
You may play lands from your graveyard.
: Choose target nonland permanent card in your graveyard. If you haven't cast a spell this turn, you may cast that card. If you do, you can't cast additional spells this turn. Activate only as a sorcery.
Legendary Artifact
You may look at the top card of your library any time.
You may play lands and cast spells from the top of your library. If you cast a spell this way, pay life equal to its mana value rather than pay its mana cost.
, Sacrifice ten nonland permanents: Each opponent loses 10 life.
neat crypt
triple black seems hard to cast with your mana base
especially when you are adding stuff like dark prophecy
no wood elves or springbloom druid but have farhaven elf feels odd
feels you are spreading very thin with +1 counter, landfall and reanimate strategy
mint vapor
There's even the small strategy of Infect, but mostly that's for finishing things off.
I could rebalance the mana base, evenly distribute it and remove Phylath
neat crypt
yeah you should refocus the strategy to one instead
mint vapor
So, I think the strategy would be to use Vaevictus to cheat out big spells/threats, though I think I want to avoid Blightsteel Colossus since it doesn't have any effect if it comes out with the ability
So perhaps cards like Citadel, which will allow me to filter cards on top to a degree, Combustible Gearhulk as a threat, and take out some of the dragons
neat crypt
what do you mean by doesnt have any effect that comes out with the ability?
you mean like immediate effect ?
you should add [[prized statue]] too if you are going for the other 2 mana value etb/ltb artifacts
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Artifact
When Prized Statue enters the battlefield or is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, create a Treasure token. (It's an artifact with ", Sacrifice this artifact: Add one mana of any color.")
To the cultists, the sacred idol was priceless. To the adventurers, it was worth about two sturdy mules and a barrel of ale.
neat crypt
[[blood fountain]] is also a good hit as it gives 2 permanents for one black
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Artifact
When Blood Fountain enters the battlefield, create a Blood token. (It's an artifact with "
, , Discard a card, Sacrifice this artifact: Draw a card.")
, , Sacrifice Blood Fountain: Return up to two target creature cards from your graveyard to your hand.
mint vapor
what do you mean by doesnt have any effect that comes out with the ability?
Yeah, no immediate effect, other than the table targeting you to remove it
neat crypt
explosive vegetation is pretty poor now, usually can you substitute for migration path
[[migration path]]
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Sorcery
Search your library for up to two basic land cards, put them onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffle.
Cycling (, Discard this card: Draw a card.)
neat crypt
Tireless Provisioner is very good if you are considering for more landfall strategies
mint vapor
explosive vegetation is pretty poor now, usually can you substitute for migratio...
Mostly was there to play with Phylath, but it won't be necessary if I take him out
mint vapor
Tireless Provisioner is very good if you are considering for more landfall strat...
I considered this as well
neat crypt
i guess you should ask again once you reform your deck into a single strategy
mint vapor
Indeed, I'll attempt to update it later
mint vapor
Alright, I've updated the list, focused more into being able to sacrifice permanents and gain benefits from things entering or leaving. Partially a token strategy, mostly to act as fodder for Asmadi. I believe the old link will work
neat crypt
needs more land since added new stuff replacing land
containment breach can be replace by reclaimation sage
you can probably swap out funnel web recluse for dragonlair spider
and beneath the sand + growth spasm for wood elves + springbloom druid
burn down the house is not a great board wipe, you want crux of fate/pernicious deed/toxic deluge instead
and ecologist eerrarium for nature's lore
if you want to be make the deck into a small part dragon tribal, it would be better to swap out all your top end into dragons and lean into dragon more heavy
im not sure what altar for the brood is for. it usually for infinite etb but i cant see any combo
mint vapor
I had thought about Rec Sage before. Slipped my mind during the update process.
Wood Elves is an interesting one.
I could see Springbloom over Beneath the Sands
Burn down the House is actually designed to produce fodder over being a board wipe, though I digress it's not the best card for that.
Originally I was more heavy into Dragons, but it wasn't particularly strong.
Brood is mostly designed as a library altering card, where it can take away cards from opponents, though doubtful it can mill someone out
Also I just thought of this. Mayhem Devil
neat crypt
no mayhem is better in mass sacrifice decks. your is too slow for it.
not sure what dragons you added but if you when into more dragon you could use the dragon ramp more effectively
could use cards like dragon's hoard or dragonspeaker shaman
and cards like [[patron of the arts]] and [[ganax]]
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Creature — Dragon Noble
When Patron of the Arts enters the battlefield or dies, create a Treasure token. (It's an artifact with ", Sacrifice this artifact: Add one mana of any color.")
"It's okay. My mother owns the museum."
3/1
Legendary Creature — Dragon
Flying
Whenever Ganax, Astral Hunter or another Dragon enters the battlefield under your control, create a Treasure token. (It's an artifact with ", Sacrifice this artifact: Add one mana of any color.")
Choose a Background (You can have a Background as a second commander.)
3/4
neat crypt
if not you should consider other options than cards that supports dragon
single target removal shouldnt be much of a issue with asmadi able to sacrifice your opponent permanents but you could also consider more and better boardwipes
[[pernicious deed]] is a very good card in this deck since it a permanent and since your mana average is higher than most commanders, you should be able to wipe the board while asmadi is safe from it
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Enchantment
, Sacrifice Pernicious Deed: Destroy each artifact, creature, and enchantment with mana value X or less.
"Yawgmoth," Freyalise whispered as she set the bomb, "now you will pay for your treachery."
neat crypt
I had thought about Rec Sage before. Slipped my mind during the update process.
...
i forgot to add farhaven elf to the mix as well but i haven count your ramp supply yet
mint vapor
no mayhem is better in mass sacrifice decks. your is too slow for it.
not sure ...
Well, I will say Mayhem Devil is potentially 4 additional damage per attack, but you have your point
neat crypt
yeah most people use mayhem devil to sacrifice their whole board to win the game
even when they cant, they have instant speed sacrifice to ping out potential threats
mint vapor
Anyways, I pulled a lot of dragons, leaving pretty much Dragon Broodmother, Atsushi, Beledros Witherbloom, Nesting Dragon, Ziatora, and Vaevictus
neat crypt
i cant tell if bolas citadel is a good card in this deck, i think it fairly average since the deck doesnt have a low curve to keep playing out cards, it doesnt have any life gain to sustain the damage taken, the 3 black pips makes it harder to cast in a 3 color deck and you dont have cards that let you play multiple lands per turn to circumvent lands being on top of your deck
mint vapor
It's mainly there to help sift out non-permanent spells, and as redundancy to the Top
neat crypt
[[oracle of mul daya]] then?
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mint vapor
There was also [[Augur of Autumn]]
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neat crypt
double green makes it harder to cast but that easier than triple black
the additional land part is important cause you can sacrifice lands as well from asmadi
mint vapor
In Jund? Double green is nil, especially if we have Nature's Lore and Wood Elves
neat crypt
like [[gitrog monster]] does do it too
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mint vapor
the additional land part is important cause you can sacrifice lands as well from...
Right, though the only land recursion piece at current is Conduit of Worlds, so not as viable to do
neat crypt
yeah you want the top of the deck/hand to be lands at that point
if you arent going for dragons tribal, [[dragon tempest]] not as good
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mint vapor
Either that or use the ability to sacrifice a land, recur it on second main with Conduit, and maybe reap a benefit like Nesting Dragon
neat crypt
you want something like [[Rhythm of the Wild]] instead
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mint vapor
you want something like [[Rhythm of the Wild]] instead
I had forgotten of this
neat crypt
Either that or use the ability to sacrifice a land, recur it on second main with...
yeah at that point you might want to swap to landfall but like i said you dont want to spread too thin
mint vapor
The main idea for the 2 landfall cards in the deck is that they make fodder, though Avenger of Zendikar does it on etb
neat crypt
[[dragon's hoard]] might be fine swaping out command sphere
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Artifact
Whenever a Dragon enters the battlefield under your control, put a gold counter on Dragon's Hoard.
, Remove a gold counter from Dragon's Hoard: Draw a card.
: Add one mana of any color.
mint vapor
Actually, thought of this now, the eggs that Nesting Dragon makes are Dragons, so the Gold counter for the Hoard isn't hard to keep around
neat crypt
The main idea for the 2 landfall cards in the deck is that they make fodder, tho...
yeah i know i phylath also made them but nesting dragon is not etb
mint vapor
Right, it's an over time effect
neat crypt
mostly like but it can be accelerated/decelerate depending on your deck
mint vapor
With the ramp spells it's not hard to get a decent number of them
neat crypt
since you pulled it i guess it fine in the deck without more landfall synergy
mint vapor
Another thought I had, though I don't think it's good for anything was Ryusei
neat crypt
ryusei is fine but better if you had more dragon cards
cause it doesnt hit any of your flying dragons
mint vapor
Or other ways to sacrifice him if the wipe was needed
neat crypt
but if you had bunch of tokens then ryusei will be anti synergy
mint vapor
cause it doesnt hit any of your flying dragons
That's the idea
A small setback if I'm honest, tokens are easy to regain
neat crypt
have you tried [[dragonlair spider]] otherwise
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neat crypt
it not etb but still very fast in gaining massive tokens per turn cycle
mint vapor
I did think about that, but I feel like there's a lot of "Swarm" going on in the deck already, and not a lot of ways to take advantage of it
neat crypt
yeah i haven thought of anything about those since it always white that pump small creatures into bigger ones
maybe just [[return of the wildspeaker]] is fine
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mint vapor
So either advantage needs to be generated from the tokens or they need to be used to attack
Ashnod's Altar or Phyrexian Altar would provide mana, but not much advantage
[[Zulaport Cuthroat]]?
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neat crypt
no you want something that works with and without mass tokens
it not guarantee you will have a huge board
so cards like return to wildspeaker is good cause it works both ways
mint vapor
My brother tried to talk me into Scute Swarm, but I told him it wasn't something I wanted to play into, especially since it's not a landfall deck
I already have Warstorm Surge, so any thoughts on Impact Tremors?
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neat crypt
[[kaervek the merciless]]
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mint vapor
[[Kaevek the Merciless]]
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neat crypt
impact tremor works better if your commander pumps out small tokens
neat crypt
[[evolution's leap]] is possible
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Enchantment
, Sacrifice a creature: Reveal cards from the top of your library until you reveal a creature card. Put that card into your hand and the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.
The essence of nature is change.
neat crypt
but you dont really want the creature in your hand either
mint vapor
Right, we want it on top to cheat it in. I couldn't find many effects that would do that outside of Brainstone
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Instant
(
can be paid with either or 2 life.)
Put target card from a graveyard on top of its owner's library.
"Dead or alive, my creations are stronger than Jin-Gitaxias's septic minions." —Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger
mint vapor
That could work as a quick revival spell to a lost piece
neat crypt
sylan library does work but it relatively expensive piece
mint vapor
Adds a bit of redundancy for Top then too, but yeah, expensive
neat crypt
i think you can cut Mycosynth Wellspring and Ichor Wellspring for more lands
those cards doesnt give you a permanent when the enter or leave
Prismatic Lens you can swap out for nature lore instead
it effectively a three visit copy
Ecologist's Terrarium swap for another land too
you need about 36-38 lands
mint vapor
I guess since I have draw spells like Guardian project it shouldn't be too bad in that department
I've been making updates as we've been talking via Manabox, I'll update Moxfield later when I have a chance
mint vapor
List is updated, might be reasonable now
neat crypt
looks better, might want more haste enablers since it crucial for asmadi to attack when it hits the board
Deathreap Ritual - it only triggers once per turn so it not as good since you do not sacrifice during other people turn
Juri, Master of the Revue,Judith, the Scourge Diva,Poison-Tip Archer,Midnight Reaper, Syr Konrad, the Grim - the deck doesnt mass sacrifice to trigger it repeatedly
Jewel-Eyed Cobra - it not as efficient as other cards
Professional Face-Breaker - not many creatures in early turns to trigger multiple times per turn
neat crypt
maybe consider
Tireless Provisioner or/and Tireless Tracker - both incur value with more lands
Ugin's Nexus - can attack a second time with amandi sacrificing it.
noxious revival and/or Hua Tuo, Honored Physician - both put permanents back on top of library from graveyard
farhaven elves and omen of the hunt - both are permanents that ramps you
bitter reunion, Dragon Breath, fires of yavimaya, Invigorating Hot Spring, Fervor and Footfall Crater - they grant your creatures haste
other draw options - Braids, Arisen Nightmare, Idol of Oblivion, Rishkar's Expertise, Plumb the Forbidden, Seize the Spotlight and Stinging Study, Majestic Genesis
mint vapor
I think I have a Braids, would probably work really well.
Idol I had considered since the deck needs some way to take advantage of the tokens coming in
Majestic Genesis is a tough one, since it's a non-creature spell. Tougher to cast for 8 mana, and might do very little
Never thought Ugin's Nexus could have a home in any Commander deck
mint vapor
Bolt Bend. I think it provides useful protection, or even Dualcaster Mage
neat crypt
There are couple of 1 mana instant that give hexproof and indestructible
Got cards like [[veil of summer]] to [[tamiyo's safekeeping]]
neat crypt
Black has [[undying evil]] to [[malakir rebirth]]
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Malakir Mire
Land
Malakir Mire enters the battlefield tapped.
: Add .
"Getting into Malakir isn't difficult. It's getting out that's the hard part." —Doros, expedition guide
neat crypt
If you have a instant speed sacrifice outlet you can respond any exile cards by sacrificing it. It also works sacrificing other creatures with asmadi
mint vapor
Tested the deck last night, it needs more ways to take advantage of the tokens, Broodmother is a powerhouse
Also needs a way to figure out what's on top of the library, not having an Augur of Autumn of Bolas's Citadel is harsh, especially when your only source of that knowledge is Sensei's Diving Top.
Might benefit from a Scroll Rack
neat crypt
Well the 2nd part you can use slyvan library and [[Mirri's Guile]]
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neat crypt
While it might be better to add cards to use your tokens more efficiently, it would dilute your game plan. If you do not have the token generators, having cards that abuse tokens doesnt do anything
Otherwise you might want to play a deck that focus on generating tokens instead
I dont think it harsh not knowing the top of your deck when asmadi triggers, I think it as part of the fun the random aspect to enjoy
mint vapor
Well the 2nd part you can use slyvan library and [[Mirri's Guile]]
I did actually get a Sylvan Library, thank goodness DMR reprints
Mirri's Guile? I think I've heard of it, but never seen it, could be beneficial
mint vapor
Oh no, I just had the most devious idea. Wulfgar of Icewind Dale
neat crypt
Well you can run multiple combat instead
mint vapor
I mean, true, but you're limited in these options for permanents, I'm just thinking that doubling the trigger is pretty strong as much as an extra combat is
neat crypt
well double attacking trigger would be better if you had more stuff to trigger when attacking
but attacking twice is more favourable with you having bunch of creatures able to swing in for a second time
mint vapor
True, so there's benefits to extra combats over doubling the trigger
