Deck Brewing General

[slim raft]

With ACR, I have an itch to brew an Alexios deck! Gifting a dangerous creature to my opponents to figure out what to do with sounds like fun and profit.

I don't know if it's too obnoxious though?
Khârn looks a bit like he does something of the same thing, but less bursty.

What are your thoughts? Any experiences with Kharn that you can share? (Edit: of course noone would have experience with Alexios, since it hasn't been released yet >_> )

I also feel like it might become one of those decks where, when people has seen it a few times, it becomes an immediate game of arch enemy.

[mystic whale]

[[Guile, sonic solider]] trying to finish this before Thursday

[rare escarp]

No card found for “Guile, sonic solider”

[mystic whale]

[[Immard,the stormcleaver]]

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/slx/14/immard-the-stormcleaver

Immard, the Stormcleaver <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Human Soldier
Whenever Immard, the Stormcleaver enters the battlefield or attacks, put a charge counter on it or remove one from it. When you remove a counter this way, choose one —
• Immard deals 4 damage to any target.
• Immard gains lifelink and indestructible until end of turn.
4/4

[grizzled bloom]

I'm working on brewing up a [[Thalia and the Gitrog Monster]] Landfall deck

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/mom/255/thalia-and-the-gitrog-monster

Thalia and The Gitrog Monster <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Human Frog Horror
First strike, deathtouch
You may play an additional land on each of your turns.
Creatures and nonbasic lands your opponents control enter the battlefield tapped.
Whenever Thalia and The Gitrog Monster attacks, sacrifice a creature or land, then draw a card.
4/4

[grizzled bloom]

Any suggestions?

[mystic whale]

Sweet

[grizzled bloom]

My brother also gave me a copy of the Necrobloom to put in the deck

[deep dune]

My favourite landfall card of all time: [[ob nixilis the fallen]]

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/ima/101/ob-nixilis-the-fallen

Ob Nixilis, the Fallen <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Demon
Landfall — Whenever a land enters the battlefield under your control, you may have target player lose 3 life. If you do, put three +1/+1 counters on Ob Nixilis, the Fallen.
His spark lost, he plots revenge upon the plane whose corrupting mana fractured his soul.
3/3

[grizzled bloom]

How much is a copy of that?

Idk what the win con for that deck is tbh

Go wide perhaps

Cuz of Necrobloom and Scute Swarm

[deep dune]

[[$ob nixilis the fallen]]

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/ima/101/ob-nixilis-the-fallen

Prices for Ob Nixilis, the Fallen

The List

$13.79 • €8.14

Iconic Masters

$12.45 • €9.08 • 0.22 TIX

Zendikar

$12.68 • €7.78 • 0.02 TIX

[deep dune]

Also [[Nissa of shadowed boughs]] is really cool

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/znr/231/nissa-of-shadowed-boughs

Nissa of Shadowed Boughs <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Planeswalker — Nissa
Landfall — Whenever a land enters the battlefield under your control, put a loyalty counter on Nissa of Shadowed Boughs.
+1: Untap target land you control. You may have it become a 3/3 Elemental creature with haste and menace until end of turn. It's still a land.
−5: You may put a creature card with mana value less than or equal to the number of lands you control onto the battlefield from your hand or graveyard with two +1/+1 counters on it.
Loyalty: 4

[grizzled bloom]

What about [[Lord Windgrace]]?

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/c18/43/lord-windgrace

Lord Windgrace <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Planeswalker — Windgrace
+2: Discard a card, then draw a card. If a land card is discarded this way, draw an additional card.
−3: Return up to two target land cards from your graveyard to the battlefield.
−11: Destroy up to six target nonland permanents, then create six 2/2 green Cat Warrior creature tokens with forestwalk.
Lord Windgrace can be your commander.
Loyalty: 5

[grizzled bloom]

Never mind

Wrong colors

[feral sapphire]

I wanna do a secret commander of [[bonny]] as the face commander but [[jyoti]] as the secret commander. Spam lands to on the surface make a big bull but secretly its a living land army. Any must includes for this concept?

[rare escarp]

Multiple cards match “bonny”, can you be more specific?

https://scryfall.com/card/m3c/8/jyoti-moag-ancient

Jyoti, Moag Ancient <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Elemental
When Jyoti, Moag Ancient enters the battlefield, create a 1/1 green Forest Dryad land creature token for each time you've cast your commander from the command zone this game. (They're affected by summoning sickness.)
At the beginning of each combat, land creatures you control get +X/+X until end of turn, where X is Jyoti's power.
2/4

[feral sapphire]

[[Bonny pall]]

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/otj/196/bonny-pall-clearcutter

Bonny Pall, Clearcutter <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Giant Scout
Reach
When Bonny Pall, Clearcutter enters the battlefield, create Beau, a legendary blue Ox creature token with "This creature's power and toughness are each equal to the number of lands you control."
Whenever you attack, draw a card, then you may put a land card from your hand or graveyard onto the battlefield.
6/5

[mystic whale]

Brewing guile for independence day

[opaque iris]

[[Awaken the woods]]

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/bro/170/awaken-the-woods

Awaken the Woods <:manax:292901509082120202><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Sorcery
Create X 1/1 green Forest Dryad land creature tokens. (They're affected by summoning sickness.)
"We expected the Argothians to stand their ground. We didn't expect the ground itself to stand." —Myrel, Shield of Argive

[river wolf]

I played a game with my favorite deck a few days ago and realized that I would constantly end up running out of cards in hand. Should I add some more things that draw cards? https://archidekt.com/decks/5269263/yidrizz

[cinder pasture]

[[Tatyova, Steward]] is a very good way of making land creatures if you can't get Jyoti, but flying is also good for if you do have Jyoti

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/222/tatyova-steward-of-tides

Tatyova, Steward of Tides <:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Merfolk Druid
Land creatures you control have flying.
Whenever a land enters the battlefield under your control, if you control seven or more lands, up to one target land you control becomes a 3/3 Elemental creature with haste. It's still a land.
3/3

[tawdry hatch]

My LGS is going to start a budget commander league which has a limit of £50 and I was already thinking of building a [[Zada, Hedron Grinder]] deck so thought why not but have gone way overboard with the number of cards added, was aiming to go for a go wide tokens thing (surprise surprise I know) with a bunch of pump spells, I feel like most of my adds are self explanatory but not sure how to way up which ones are better than others, any and all help would be appreciated.
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/V5q765kVE0iot7214_HbkQ

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/268/zada-hedron-grinder

Zada, Hedron Grinder <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Goblin Ally
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell that targets only Zada, Hedron Grinder, copy that spell for each other creature you control that the spell could target. Each copy targets a different one of those creatures.
"A hedron holds magic for a thousand years—or less, if need be."
3/3

[deep dune]

[[awaken the woods]]

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/bro/170/awaken-the-woods

Awaken the Woods <:manax:292901509082120202><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Sorcery
Create X 1/1 green Forest Dryad land creature tokens. (They're affected by summoning sickness.)
"We expected the Argothians to stand their ground. We didn't expect the ground itself to stand." —Myrel, Shield of Argive

[patent maple]

Need to cut 2 from Eowyn deck! https://archidekt.com/decks/8053134/eowyn_mommy

[keen eagle]

champions of minas tirith and thraben doomsayer

champ is too defensive and expensive on a mediocre body and thraben is too slow

i would’ve suggested another monarch card instead of thrabrn but i think there’s a monarch subtheme

[patent maple]

ya there is a slight subtheme to monarch in there. I just threw Minas in there too as I was thinking the defense was lacking.

thraben is a good proc for eowyn, but are you saying its to slow for its 3cost

[keen eagle]

i mean its not bad I just felt that if I suggested another monarch cut it might kill the subtheme a bit

[keen eagle]

ideally you dont need to worry about defense when your deck is this fast

plus youll typically have some token blockers left over somehow

thraben doomsayer is good too keep triggering eowyn but to try to win the game its three mana plus a full turn cycle just to get a 1/1 out

I think you have the potential to go much faster than what both minas and doomsayer offer

[patent maple]

alright Ill play with that. makes sense. I have a lot of triggers for eowyn in there for now.

[patent maple]

do you have any other recomendations?

[keen eagle]

coat of arms is an expensive anthem that can kill you if youre up against certain decks, not sure if you need vanq banner (you have access to better rates in these colors), dont think gilraen is necessary unless im missing a combo (probably just etb monarch synergy but the activation cost is kind of meh), no need for chaos warp in these colors, outlaws merriment pips might be hard to get out on curve and is a bit slow, keeper of keys could just be an overrun along the lines of akromas will that will do more, not sure if mirror entity is necessary with the amount of anthems in the deck,

need to double check eowyn but i feel like theres smth missing

riders of the mark should be in here

i like zealous conscripts but thats not really necessary its just fun

paladin elizabeth taggerdy

love the rick addition

id add a grand abolisher and it dipped in price recently

great way to do whatever you want to your opponents

[patent maple]

oh I like that a lot actually

[keen eagle]

id add 2-4 board protection effects because right now this deck gets blown out if board wiped

(as a fellow human player i can tell you it hurts)

[patent maple]

I agree. i almost grabbed teferis today but i grabbed anointed procession instead.

[keen eagle]

and since youre in blue id take your pick between your usual counterspells or flawless maneuever, both work. counterspells are more flexible but with protection you can turn someones wipe into a one sided board wipe and shitstomp after

not sure if you had the precon but taunt from the ramparts is good enough to keep, dont need to buy it though

[keen eagle]

wouldve done the dame tbh, in a human deck you want sometbing cheaper imo

you can get like

[patent maple]

I have taunt. I have all four of the sets precons to pull from.

[keen eagle]

a flawless manuever plus and they shall know no fear plus clever concealment for a bit less than the price of one teferis pro

[keen eagle]

i think its an alright damage pusher, up to you if you feel like you need it

if you have particularly durdly opponents its a good way to force them to play the game and you get to swing in without being punished

not sure if im missing anything else… just an fyi speaking from experience it can be a little bit hard to double spell to flip goldbug

its pretty crazy if you can though, he will practically be a draw 1 plus dolmen gate for humans if you can do it consistently

[patent maple]

but so cool.

[keen eagle]

yeah he was my human cmdr for a bit hes really fun

you can make people scared of your wimpy soul sisters with an anthem lol

[patent maple]

so far ive made these swaps:
Mirror Entity -> Champions of MT (for protection and monarch)
Verge Rangers -> Selfless squire (damage negation flash)
Gilraen -> Taunt from the Rampart

How do those changes look so far for what I have? Figured champions is expensive but, mirror entity is redundant. I wouldnt mind also swapping in Village Bell-Ringer there or Knight of the White Orchid. I have these on hand now.

I definitely want to get Grand abolisher, clever concelmeant, flawless maneuver, and riders of the mark in there quick. What would you swap for those?

[near slate]

making a [[Preston]] build, got 1 more ramp slot, which would you recommend?

[rare escarp]

Multiple cards match “Preston”, can you be more specific?

[near slate]

[[preston vanish]]

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/j22/8/preston-the-vanisher

Preston, the Vanisher <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Rabbit Wizard
Whenever another nontoken creature enters the battlefield under your control, if it wasn't cast, create a token that's a copy of that creature, except it's a 0/1 white Illusion.
, Sacrifice five Illusions: Exile target nonland permanent.
2/5

[near slate]

i got artifact/permanent blinks too, and Map guarantees two cards in hand, whereas the Jumper actually can become illusions. Banner is just a baby buff and ramp piece in one

[keen eagle]

not a fan of the first two swaps, I don’t think they fit your game plan and while im not crazy about mirror entity or verge rangers I think they fit better than squire and champions. I would try to add in knight of the white orchid for some ramped stapled to a human. most of the cuts id suggest are similar to earlier, coat of arms since it group hugs, vanq is too expensive and your in card draw colors, devout chaplain is a smidge slow and you dont have much sources of vigilance so youre losing tempo to control which is not really what we want. iutlaws merriment is cute but its 4 mana for one human a turn which is a bit too slow, and also requires more pips than id like, selfless squire to explain means that youre holding up four mana in the hopes that someone swings into you so you fog them, but theres a chance you never get swung into and wasted four mana thay couldve been a human and even in the case that youre successful selfless squire is just a stat ball with no evasive keywords

i think i mentioned keeper of keys earlier as a very expensive finisher thats eclipsed by cheaper spells

also not a card id cut but swap sometime down the line

consider were in white and blue we dont need to run the risk that chaos warp presents

stroke of midnight does something similar and doesnt risk we topdeck our opponent into a crazy permenant

[keen eagle]

would prefer to see decklist to have the full context but i would assume in preston claim jumper is better just due to higher synergy, second is map and third is heraldic

[patent maple]

I already put an order in on tcgplayer for your suggested swaps! Grand Abolisher, Flawless Maneuver, Clever Concealment, Akroma’s will, Riders of the Mark, paladin Taggerdy, and I thought ghostly prison would be a good add somewhere too.

[keen eagle]

ioo nice i am excited for you

also just because im getting the sense that youre a fan of prison

if you like those tricky effects and diet of making it hard to attack you you could pivot a smidge into control?

[[nelly borca]] [[trouble in pairs]] [[loran of the third path]] [[mangera the diplomat]] [[baird steward]]

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/4/nelly-borca-impulsive-accuser

Nelly Borca, Impulsive Accuser <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Human Detective
Vigilance
Whenever Nelly Borca, Impulsive Accuser attacks, suspect target creature. Then goad all suspected creatures. (A suspected creature has menace and can't block.)
Whenever one or more creatures an opponent controls deal combat damage to one or more of your opponents, you and the controller of those creatures each draw a card.
2/4

https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/15/trouble-in-pairs

Trouble in Pairs <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
If an opponent would begin an extra turn, that player skips that turn instead.
Whenever an opponent attacks you with two or more creatures, draws their second card each turn, or casts their second spell each turn, you draw a card.
Together, they're greater than the sum of their rap sheets.

https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/71/loran-of-the-third-path

Loran of the Third Path <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Human Artificer
Vigilance
When Loran of the Third Path enters the battlefield, destroy up to one target artifact or enchantment.
: You and target opponent each draw a card.
As a scholar, she saw the sylex not as a weapon, but as a key to the past.
2/1

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/42/mangara-the-diplomat

Mangara, the Diplomat <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Human Cleric
Lifelink
Whenever an opponent attacks with creatures, if two or more of those creatures are attacking you and/or planeswalkers you control, draw a card.
Whenever an opponent casts their second spell each turn, draw a card.
2/4

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/15/baird-steward-of-argive

Baird, Steward of Argive <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Human Soldier
Vigilance
Creatures can't attack you or planeswalkers you control unless their controller pays for each of those creatures.
"The walls of Argive were built by a peaceful dynastic union that has guarded us against war for fifteen centuries. The lesson is clear."
2/4

[patent maple]

Ya I was thinking it would be cool to have a sideboard for switching out my sub theme from control to monarch.

I have loran in there already!

[keen eagle]

i mean i think if you do hard on monarch instead of eowyns aggro you could combine both of them

since it would have the inherent synergy of making it hard to attack you

[patent maple]

True that would be a whole new second deck too lol

[keen eagle]

so you could keep stuff like champ of minas tirith and add stuff like nelly borca and trouble in pairs to keep the crown and such

honestly it wouldnt be a super hard pivot to achieve

the biggest hurdle is just that [[trouble in pairs]] which works really well in this style is pricey at $30

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/15/trouble-in-pairs

Trouble in Pairs <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
If an opponent would begin an extra turn, that player skips that turn instead.
Whenever an opponent attacks you with two or more creatures, draws their second card each turn, or casts their second spell each turn, you draw a card.
Together, they're greater than the sum of their rap sheets.

[keen eagle]

but like nelky borca, baird, mangera are all relatively cheap and the rest of the stuff like selfless squire and champ of mt are in the deck already

i suggest only because i get the vibe that you like prison hahaha

which is fair, i loved the borca precon

[patent maple]

Oh ya I do like control. I’ll start working on that one. Definitely different from wide and stomp.

[keen eagle]

i am aggro player at heart but I understand the love, I run drannith and containment priest in my humans list lol

[patent maple]

Oh that’s interesting. Do you bounce them for a combo or what?

Another deck I want to work on overhauling is a life gain/food theme for the Frodo and Sam deck.

[keen eagle]

oh no, I could run stuff like fountain or whatever but I genuinely use them for there intended purpose. It lets me go under some of the stronger commanders with drannith or prevents cheaty stuff like graveyard recursion, gishath and ur dragon stuff, etc with containment priest

especially if im facing something like belakor or like chatterfang that can repeatedly kill my humans its super nice to have some time to breathe and srt up my board before it gets removed for free

[prime iron]

Anyone build for [[rasputin the oneiromancer]]?

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/40/rasputin-the-oneiromancer

Rasputin, the Oneiromancer <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
When Rasputin, the Oneiromancer enters the battlefield, put a dream counter on it for each opponent you have. Each opponent creates a 1/1 red Goblin creature token.
, Remove one or more dream counters from Rasputin: Add that much .
, Remove a dream counter from Rasputin: Create a 2/2 white Knight creature token with protection from red.
4/1

[prime iron]

?

[crisp holly]

Anyone have ideas for a commander for sorin markov other than Edgar markov? Something to support an all sorin markov planeswalker deck?

[prime iron]

Why not just new sorin markov

He's got a flip walker now

They're all In orzhov iirc

[crisp holly]

He’s Mono black the extort doesn’t see the orzhov

It would be perfect

[prime iron]

Idk why tbh but something can be multicolored without needing any investment from those pips

The orzhov pip on the left means the card is black/white

Idk why but people explained it to me when I asked the same thing about grist

[crisp holly]

I was told extort doesn’t read that way because I run Pontiff of Blight in Ob nix captive kingpin

[prime iron]

No on the left

This thing

[crisp holly]

Ohhhh

[prime iron]

This is saying it's orzhov

[crisp holly]

Oh snap , so does that mean I can run him as orzhov commander?! 😁

I think this might be the move

[prime iron]

Yes

[crisp holly]

Nice

Well do you know any supporting cards for a planeswalker themed orzov deck?

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/zXBQw7SvBUudzJy9QS0G-w

[prime iron]

There's some planeswalker support in white

Idk about black

[crisp holly]

Pretty cool

[echo vector]

[[Grolnok, the omnivore]] any good for tricky terrain?

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/vow/238/grolnok-the-omnivore

Grolnok, the Omnivore <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Frog
Whenever a Frog you control attacks, mill three cards.
Whenever a permanent card is put into your graveyard from your library, exile it with a croak counter on it.
You may play lands and cast spells from among cards you own in exile with croak counters on them.
3/3

[fickle hornet]

Sea monsters and maybe some bears??? I am new and excited but not sure if this deck will work

https://manabox.app/decks/ht6fOG5rQ_mUzNOxh7J94Q

[strange steeple]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/BdThsq3bGUu2fyqxiXUbCw
I feel like i’m

Not running enough lands
too many top end big payoffs
get stalled out too quickly
lacking draw power
Looking to maybe cut a few cards

It feels like I need to mulligan into horn of greed in order to stand a chance which I don’t like but horn of greed+the case helps me a ton

[grizzled bloom]

I'm thinking of the kind of gameplan I'd want for a Thalia deck

Probably some kind of landfall deck

[remote granite]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/M1Ovm4TM6U6Qh1RD7IlSAQ

Here’s my list, with [[lurrus]] as the companion

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/iko/226/lurrus-of-the-dream-den

Lurrus of the Dream-Den <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manawb:292901509044109312><:manawb:292901509044109312>

Legendary Creature — Cat Nightmare
Companion — Each permanent card in your starting deck has mana value 2 or less. (If this card is your chosen companion, you may put it into your hand from outside the game for as a sorcery.)
Lifelink
Once during each of your turns, you may cast a permanent spell with mana value 2 or less from your graveyard.
3/2

[remote granite]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/UrqV5Qqp4kOG7H84CP7ijQ

Interested in hearing your guys’ thoughts in this list. Been tooling with it for years now, is my longest living deck currently

[crisp holly]

this seems pretty cool

[remote granite]

Thanks! It’s a grindy deck but it’s very resilient and really fun to play

[[guide of souls]] is a card that I’m hoping does some serious work in the deck, any way to make Tymna herself able to get in for damage is always welcome because the lifelink is surprisingly relevant

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/29/guide-of-souls

Guide of Souls <:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Human Cleric
Whenever another creature enters the battlefield under your control, you gain 1 life and get (an energy counter).
Whenever you attack, you may pay . When you do, put two +1/+1 counters and a flying counter on target attacking creature. It becomes an Angel in addition to its other types.
1/2

[prime iron]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/UPX3Ym7UlU2IfFvUtd5cdA

Trying to make this deck as juiced and as powerful as I can manage, does anyone have any ideas that fit the zirda companion requirement?

[halcyon herald]

looking for help if anyones got input https://discord.com/channels/574711449566445603/1260040293764562996

[opaque iris]

Please take a look at this jank grandeur commander deck I built. Would love feedback. https://www.moxfield.com/decks/wyPXu-MPPE-pQEsQRlzyUA

[proper fiber]

i almost kinda prefer Solemn Simulacrum over the jumper and similar catchup ramp. Jumper will just not fetch anything after excessive flickering where as Solemn will always find a basic until you run out I guess.

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/830/oath-of-gideon

Oath of Gideon <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Enchantment
When Oath of Gideon enters the battlefield, create two 1/1 white Kor Ally creature tokens.
Each planeswalker you control enters the battlefield with an additional loyalty counter on it.
"For justice and peace, I will keep watch."

[wraith onyx]

Trying to build a BGU deck centered around Gix, Yawgmoth Praetor.
Does anybody know any draw spells that arent too expensive but draw me a good ammount of cards?

[wraith onyx]

Trying to make a deck around Gix, Yawgmoth Praetor with the main gimmick being Gix's second ability to steal the opponents deck. Any tips on improving this deck because im kind of at a standstill knowing the deck is bad..

[keen eagle]

gix has draw stapled onto him, why not use that?

[wraith onyx]

..good question

should I keep it to Mono Black or try it as Dimir?

[fickle hornet]

What are staples that are automatic include for mardu? (Brewing a mardu enchantment deck)

[opaque iris]

mardu enchants you say? [[sigil of the empty throne]] [[Alseid of life's bounty]] [[ajani's chosen]]

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/836/sigil-of-the-empty-throne

Sigil of the Empty Throne <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
Whenever you cast an enchantment spell, create a 4/4 white Angel creature token with flying.
When Asha left Bant, she ensured that the world would have protection and order in her absence.

https://scryfall.com/card/thb/1/alseid-of-lifes-bounty

Alseid of Life's Bounty <:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment Creature — Nymph
Lifelink
, Sacrifice Alseid of Life's Bounty: Target creature or enchantment you control gains protection from the color of your choice until end of turn.
"Dawn-kissed, he nourishes the golden grain." —Psemilla, Meletian poet
1/1

https://scryfall.com/card/jmp/82/ajanis-chosen

Ajani's Chosen <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Cat Soldier
Whenever an enchantment enters the battlefield under your control, create a 2/2 white Cat creature token. If that enchantment is an Aura, you may attach it to the token.
"United, our roar will level mountains."
3/3

[opaque iris]

ik they are all white cards but still

good in many enchants decks

[[ondu spiritdancer]] is awesome

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/723/ondu-spiritdancer

Ondu Spiritdancer <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Creature — Kor Cleric
Whenever an enchantment enters the battlefield under your control, you may create a token that's a copy of it. Do this only once each turn.
"We travel to know the land—its sacred spirit, its perils and blessings."
3/3

[fickle hornet]

Oooh I’ve seen that one but I don’t have it or ajanis chosen currently on my list!

https://manabox.app/decks/-tiNDz5cQtK0fnFJXWeMnw

Current deck list, definitely more budgetish

[keen eagle]

dimir could probably get you access to more hard to block/unblockable little guys

[prime iron]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/0ndI_B_3T0yBmktmhfspLA

It's not even close to done

I feel like there could be an omniscience combo here?

The constant sizing down via clement poses a problem there tho

I'll have to wait and see what frogs have left for this hopping deck

[willow pivot]

Well, you don't have to return anything if you don't want to though right? Since it says "up to one"

[wraith onyx]

gotcha, thanks. Ill look into it

[left quail]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/b3nJw8Nl2EK0pWjiLyCgmQ

Any critique is welcome

[left quail]

Feel like this commander just ends up in an omo deck

[prime iron]

It does but I'm trying to reap value from that bit of text

[opaque iris]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/FgCRMQLlxEuUCFJ7Xbu8-Q

[grizzled bloom]

Idk why, but I kinda want to make a [[Discord, Lord of Disharmony]] deck

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/sld/798/discord-lord-of-disharmony

Discord, Lord of Disharmony <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Chimera
Flying
At the beginning of your end step, choose a random nonland Magic card name. Until your next end step, you may cast a copy of a spell with that name, and mana of any type can be spent to cast it. If you cast a spell this way, copy this ability if Discord is on the battlefield.
"Oh, what fun is there in making sense?"
3/5

[left quail]

Is there a generator to randomize for that?

[grizzled bloom]

Yeah

Scryfall has one

Theres also mtgrandom.com

[opaque iris]

What exactly is a primer for a deck?

[left quail]

No idea

[opaque iris]

alright thanks for replying and supplying no info

I appreciate the ping too

[prime iron]

It's a bit of info as to how the deck is piloted, combos it has, tutor lines, wincons, that sort of thing

[opaque iris]

thanks stick

[fickle hornet]

Favorite orshov wincons?

[wraith dune]

heyo

need someone help in vc with deckbuilding some lists

would anyone be able to me with that?

I be chilling in vc 20 if anyone is able

thank you

[left quail]

creature death triggers

[fickle hornet]

What would be an example?

[left quail]

creating a ton of creature tokens

with a deal 1 damage to each player when a creature you control dies

with either a board wipe or a sac outlet

think teysa karlov can do this easiest

[drifting stump]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/-OGk6Qy_pUSJE70xGGLCVg

Should i replace roar of resistance with fervor/nahiri's resolve in my deck?

[left quail]

Does your deck need blink?

How important is haste to everything that's not a creature token?

And how important is the +2/+0

[drifting stump]

Haste lets me use alot of my token generators (create tokens when declaring attack) the turn i play them and also combat celebrant and orthion, also nahiri's resolve would allow me to protect my non token creatures and trigger my etbs (token etb generators, purphoros, warleaders call, impact tremors, terror of the peaks) but im not sure if 5 mana for it is worth it

[left quail]

If you have the 5 drop haste enabler how much value do you get if you have synergy piece? That's how I would look at it and see if there are options

And do you run tutors and need the redundency

If you want redundency then run a few of them

And how strong are you looking for it to be

[wraith marsh]

Someone check my deck pls

Aminatou

[eternal skiff]

yall got any spicy techs for a [[Vren, the Relentless]] commander deck?

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/239/vren-the-relentless

Vren, the Relentless <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Rat Rogue
Ward
If a creature an opponent controls would die, exile it instead.
At the beginning of each end step, create X 1/1 black Rat creature tokens with "This creature gets +1/+1 for each other Rat you control," where X is the number of creatures your opponents controlled that were exiled this turn.
3/4

[keen eagle]

were brainstorming in the rat discord rn

consensus rn is that optimal thing is sacs

so dictate of erebos effects plus fleshbag marauder effects

[eternal skiff]

right

[keen eagle]

marrow gnawer and lord skitter are must includrs

someone had a really insane addition

lemme find it

[[mirror of life trapping]]

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/326/mirror-of-life-trapping

Mirror of Life Trapping <:mana4:292901508712890379>

Artifact
Whenever a creature enters the battlefield, if it was cast, exile it, then return all other permanent cards exiled with Mirror of Life Trapping to the battlefield under their owners' control.
Quenton barely had a second to admire his exquisite handsomeness before reality collapsed around him.

[keen eagle]

since vren forces the creature to be controlled, we cant cheese it that hard

but this one does let us cheese

[eternal skiff]

how does it work exactly? Someone casts a creature, it goes to exile, then the next creature cast will go to exile and the previous one hits?

[keen eagle]

creature cast

etb

exiled

next creature cast

exiled

creature one comes back

[eternal skiff]

ok so it essentially just makes it so that any creature cast will get us a proc on Vren

[keen eagle]

yup!

insane

dictate of erebos effects are disguisting two

you lose one creature and net 3 plus kill three

i was saying the ward 2 makes me feel like we got vojad

im glad it happend to my favorite type lol

[eternal skiff]

the part that im stuck on right now with my (very rough) list is the stuff that ISNT fleshbag marauder effects and other similar removal

oh definitely

[keen eagle]

like wdym

[eternal skiff]

i dont think ward is that much of a cheesy effect personally, people pay it often

[keen eagle]

like to kill people?

[keen eagle]

considering the history of rats rat players have v low expectations lol

i think basically

you want your dimir staples

negate, fierce, the black flare from mh3, rhystic, black market

[eternal skiff]

Thats part of it. The rat tokens will do plenty of damage on their own, though. I guess just more of the fun(?) cards in the deck.

We love black market

[keen eagle]

you also really want kindred discovery

it makes it even crazier

[eternal skiff]

actually black market is handy since it makes changelings

[keen eagle]

i was thinking cover of darkness/marrow gnawer

but tbh

they brought up a great point

you can reasonably run -x-x and just one sided wipe

sunce the rats grow

raise the palisade is a free kill

[eternal skiff]

vren dies but the rats attack for lethal i assume is the line of thought

[keen eagle]

you want err whats it called

grim haruspex

morbid opportunist

[keen eagle]

yup

and honestly the maybe bad MU is weenies

but you could just -3-3 and vren lives and you get a million tokens

[eternal skiff]

whats the thought for grim haruspex? Your nontoken stuff wouldnt die often would it?

[keen eagle]

well besides spell slingers with no creatures but youll just need to kill them asap

[keen eagle]

i mixed it with morbid opportunitst

it was like thinking outloud

but honestly

sometimes yes

because more than likely

accursed marauder and friends are just gonna kill themselves

we dont wanna kill rats

generally

youd also want reassembling skeleton and stuff

[eternal skiff]

Morbid opportunist wouldn't work on opponents though since vren replaces the death trigger with an exile

[keen eagle]

for emergency fodder

its moreso

to keep fueling your hand once you get a sac engine going

grim haruspex not reallt

but morbid opportunist id include

its for situations like ophiomancer or even rat chains with vren

it keeps up the fuel

[keen eagle]

i wouldnt rely too much on spot remocal to trigger vren in general

we want some of course like any other deck but not an excess since were running so many sac things

[eternal skiff]

true

see i was a little hesitant to lean too heavily into aristocrats since it seems like you lose so much value from saccing your huge rats

[keen eagle]

its not traditional aristo

we dont really want to like

ping people for 1 and keep killing our tokens

i’ts more of the case that stuff like fleshbag marauders is just incredibly efficient at causing death

[eternal skiff]

so i guess the engine would be to have an edict kind of loop going using fleshbag and his friends

and then as a byproduct get huge rats to smash with

[keen eagle]

if you get an edict to stick you only need one non vren and a sac outlet to get it going imo

because you’re ideally going to net 2 rats each time

so even if you’re killing the token, if there’s an edict you’re going to

fleshbag is more there for when you don’t get to stick the rdict

and you need just efficiency

[eternal skiff]

that is assuming your opponents have creatures to sac. That's kind of a worry for me

i see people talking about cards that give your opponents tokens, not super high on those

[keen eagle]

unless you’re going up against triple spellslinger

honestly

it just means you’re smacking ppl for free

win win

[eternal skiff]

yeah true

[keen eagle]

no blockers or more tokens

thats why you might still run some colonies and a ashcoat

when the boards empty an ashcoat is gg probably

[eternal skiff]

likely

[keen eagle]

oh btw if you do feel like you need to give tokens or something could run like

[[akroan horse]] [[clackbridge troll]] [[hunted horror]]

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/c16/241/akroan-horse

Akroan Horse <:mana4:292901508712890379>

Artifact Creature — Horse
Defender
When Akroan Horse enters the battlefield, an opponent gains control of it.
At the beginning of your upkeep, each opponent creates a 1/1 white Soldier creature token.
0/4

https://scryfall.com/card/eld/84/clackbridge-troll

Clackbridge Troll <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Troll
Trample, haste
When Clackbridge Troll enters the battlefield, target opponent creates three 0/1 white Goat creature tokens.
At the beginning of combat on your turn, any opponent may sacrifice a creature. If a player does, tap Clackbridge Troll, you gain 3 life, and you draw a card.
8/8

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/758/hunted-horror

Hunted Horror <:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Horror
Trample
When Hunted Horror enters the battlefield, target opponent creates two 3/3 green Centaur creature tokens with protection from black.
7/7

[eternal skiff]

seeing a lot of people recommend [[Forbidden Orchard]] as well

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/323/forbidden-orchard

Forbidden Orchard

Land
: Add one mana of any color.
Whenever you tap Forbidden Orchard for mana, target opponent creates a 1/1 colorless Spirit creature token.

[keen eagle]

that too

tbh at most id run the orchard plus hunted

[eternal skiff]

agreed

[[Nether Traitor]] might be a good option for this deck too

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/127/nether-traitor

Nether Traitor <:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Spirit
Haste
Shadow (This creature can block or be blocked by only creatures with shadow.)
Whenever another creature is put into your graveyard from the battlefield, you may pay . If you do, return Nether Traitor from your graveyard to the battlefield.
1/1

[keen eagle]

yeah there’s a good few reassembling skeletons we want i think

i was trying to figure out if the crime one is good

[eternal skiff]

not familiar

[keen eagle]

[[forsaken miner]]

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/otj/88/forsaken-miner

Forsaken Miner <:manab:292901508872273920>

Creature — Skeleton Rogue
Forsaken Miner can't block.
Whenever you commit a crime, you may pay . If you do, return Forsaken Miner from your graveyard to the battlefield. (Targeting opponents, anything they control, and/or cards in their graveyards is a crime.)
2/2

[keen eagle]

probably too hard to crime

[eternal skiff]

yeah likely

[keen eagle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1255765190624940092/1261172608955715594/wm8rqgf6h0cd1.png?ex=6691fe05&is=6690ac85&hm=ef6a93f9a85c04b59411fdc55714b5b66e20e458b90a33c80b78251c9ff62bb2&

new rat auto include

[eternal skiff]

thats solid

[slim raft]

I really want to do something in commander with dredge. But it seems that almost all dredge decks go for Gitrog Monster combo shenanigans, which I'm not super interested in.

I was thinking about using it to mill into the graveyard in Golgari (Old Stickfingers) or Sultai (The Master, Transcendent), or maybe even Dimir reanimator.

Does it make sense, or is that just meaningless jank?

[mystic whale]

Find a way to make konrad dredge then just kill everyone with pings and infect

[feral sapphire]

Needing help getting some cuts in on my Viking themed [[eivor Battle ready]] deck. Viking style cards and equipments. Not meant to be powerful but hopefully can be and can win games. Needing 7 cuts - https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Z5CEFSnNgUyd7n1Omnz4Mw

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/acr/274/eivor-battle-ready

Eivor, Battle-Ready <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Human Assassin Warrior
Vigilance (Attacking doesn't cause this creature to tap.)
Haste (This creature can attack as soon as it comes under your control.)
Whenever Eivor, Battle-Ready attacks, it deals damage equal to the number of Equipment you control to each opponent.
5/5

[keen eagle]

i mean you could legitimately use necrobloom and just avoid gitrog loops and build a gy deck. I think stickfingers or Jarad could be p cool

[slim raft]

Necrobloom would be fun too!

[frosty coral]

If this is the wrong place I apologize, but could I post some decks here to see everyone else’s thoughts about it? I’ve got a mono green and mono black deck that I want to hear some thoughts on

[slim raft]

I've thrown something dredgy together with Old Stickfingers and * / * graveyard enabled creatures. Would someone care to take a look and let me know what you think? Thanks!
https://discord.com/channels/574711449566445603/1261632350199222282

[wraith onyx]

hello peoples
its my first time making a highlander deck, so im kind of looking for some help here. If im building a Gruul Aggro deck that wants to keep up constant pressure, is this a good start? What am I missing? and if not, what should I replace/remove?

[opaque iris]

need some suggestions on this deck https://www.moxfield.com/decks/UdRI7-VDZUS7g0zS9khhtQ

[grizzled bloom]

I really want to make an [[Edward Kenway]] deck because he looks like a really fun Pirate commander and my favorite AC protagonist

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/acr/53/edward-kenway

Edward Kenway <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Human Assassin Pirate
At the beginning of your end step, create a Treasure token for each tapped Assassin, Pirate, and/or Vehicle you control.
Whenever a Vehicle you control deals combat damage to a player, look at the top card of that player's library, then exile it face down. You may play that card for as long as it remains exiled.
5/5

[opaque iris]

any suggestions?

[keen eagle]

ocelot pride

flip ajani for the 0

oltec matterweaver

anim pakal

avenger of zendikae

ghalta and mavren

maybe myrel

wildfire awakener is a banger here

no [[halo fountain]] is a crime

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/snc/15/halo-fountain

Halo Fountain <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Artifact
, , Untap a tapped creature you control: Create a 1/1 green and white Citizen creature token.
, , Untap two tapped creatures you control: Draw a card.
, , Untap fifteen tapped creatures you control: You win the game.

[proper fiber]

You run a few things that seem to care about having counters put on them but not all that much that actually puts counters on them

Not sure if you maybe misread Baylen but she only puts counters on herself with her last ability

probably the easiest way to repeatedly make tokens are things that make tokens on landfall, provided you run enough draw adn fetchlands

I'd run both the Tireless creatures in here

[[tireless tracker]] [[tireless provisioner]]

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/190/tireless-tracker

Tireless Tracker <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Human Scout
Landfall — Whenever a land enters the battlefield under your control, investigate. (Create a Clue token. It's an artifact with ", Sacrifice this artifact: Draw a card.")
Whenever you sacrifice a Clue, put a +1/+1 counter on Tireless Tracker.
3/2

https://scryfall.com/card/moc/313/tireless-provisioner

Tireless Provisioner <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Elf Scout
Landfall — Whenever a land enters the battlefield under your control, create a Food token or a Treasure token. (Food is an artifact with ", , Sacrifice this artifact: You gain 3 life." Treasure is an artifact with ", Sacrifice this artifact: Add one mana of any color.")
3/2

[cinder pasture]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/oa5LAyIDz0mtoTaDSyErcw would like to have help polishing the list some more before I start getting the cards

[opaque iris]

Yeah this is only for the Rosie Cotton infinite combos lmao

Read the primer because I have 4 methods to make an infinite amount of tokens

I only have 36 lands I don't really have a purpose to run tireless tracker

[normal kernel]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/hFIU6f8Eeki8PTgjorq66g

Mono red has a stranglehold on me right now

[proper fiber]

fair enough. I think without tutors, some of those cards will be kinda middling on their own until you actually find the combo pieces you need. Up to you I guess.
Elven Chorus I don't think is great here. It's 4 mana for [[cryptolith rite]], and you're only running 19 actual creature cards so the chances of you actually hitting something with it aren't super high. If you really need the extra mana then run Rite instead. Otherwise, maybe some other draw spell?

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/soi/200/cryptolith-rite

Cryptolith Rite <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
Creatures you control have ": Add one mana of any color."
The chant was incomprehensible, but its power was unmistakable.

[opaque iris]

Elven chorus is mainly because of the card advantage aspect of it as well as the ramp

It takes 1 spot instead of 2

[haughty phoenix]

Why do people consider [[Optimus Prime, Hero]] a vehicle deck commander? I’m trying to run him vehicular but so far I’m only getting that he bolsters himself and pilots and seldom meshes with the rest of the deck. What’s the synergy?

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/bot/13/optimus-prime-hero-optimus-prime-autobot-leader

Optimus Prime, Hero <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Artifact Creature — Robot
More Than Meets the Eye (You may cast this card converted for .)
At the beginning of each end step, bolster 1. (Choose a creature with the least toughness among creatures you control and put a +1/+1 counter on it.)
When Optimus Prime dies, return it to the battlefield converted under its owner's control.
4/8

Optimus Prime, Autobot Leader
Legendary Artifact — Vehicle
Living metal (As long as it's your turn, this Vehicle is also a creature.)
Trample
Whenever you attack, bolster 2. The chosen creature gains trample until end of turn. When that creature deals combat damage to a player this turn, convert Optimus Prime.
6/8

[keen eagle]

tbh its probably just that hes optimus prime and turns into a truck

its a good way to support vehicles regardless thouhj

[haughty phoenix]

How so?

[haughty phoenix]

Aren’t there better jeskai commanders for vehicles?

[keen eagle]

just has good words on it

[keen eagle]

probably, but optimus prime is optimus prime yknow

[proper fiber]

yeah but my argument is that it's not a great card advantage piece in a deck that only has 19 creature cards. I'd just run some other card draw spell or engine over it

[opaque iris]

That's fair

Ever since your original message I've been considering swapping it

I've kept it in thus far because I own a copy and it's just one less card I'd need to purchase to complete the deck

[proper fiber]

gotcha

[opaque iris]

[[$cryptolith rite]]

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/soi/200/cryptolith-rite

Prices for Cryptolith Rite

Shadows over Innistrad Promos

$33.67 • €15.22

Shadows over Innistrad

$13.29 • €9.59 • 0.02 TIX

[opaque iris]

Yknow what that's not too bad

[proper fiber]

I started brewing around her a bit too. Here's my initial draft https://www.moxfield.com/decks/V6uh9mrRWkWVNaWuoppS9g

[strange steeple]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/IOaKPDBdJkiQu7Vt8ZMG2A
Any titans I probably should swap?
Or anything that I should commit more of?
Goal is tron and dump

[feral sapphire]

With a lot of good white flying support coming in with Bloomburrow, im wanting to revamp my semi phoenix tribal [[syrix]] deck into a mardu deck but syrix as the secret commander. Any good suggestions for a mardu flying/aristocratic commander?

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/80/syrix-carrier-of-the-flame

Syrix, Carrier of the Flame <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Phoenix
Flying, haste
At the beginning of each end step, if a creature card left your graveyard this turn, target Phoenix you control deals damage equal to its power to any target.
Whenever another Phoenix you control dies, you may cast Syrix, Carrier of the Flame from your graveyard.
3/3

[normal kernel]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Aj_8u39gtUqerBr-Fma37A

I updated a few things!

[[sensei’s divining top]] has been a godsend

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/314/senseis-divining-top

Sensei's Divining Top <:mana1:292901508373282827>

Artifact
: Look at the top three cards of your library, then put them back in any order.
: Draw a card, then put Sensei's Divining Top on top of its owner's library.

[drifting stump]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/-OGk6Qy_pUSJE70xGGLCVg

Hello, any suggestions to improve on my deck?

Im trying to aim for a pl7-8

[strange steeple]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/zyfmOZkqIke_eIZ2LCde9A
Pauper/peasant commander deck. Commons and uncommons only. Not allowed to pull cards from my other precons.
Somehow I scooted to 10 dollars.

I think this is a rock solid pl4 maybe a 5. The goal is to bite everyone’s ankles and take them down alongside you

[opaque iris]

need help with this decklist. I feel like I need more removal/protection. Maybe even evasion options. Idea is to Ahes of the Fallen or Maskwood Nexus and get Port Razor exiled with a memory counter on it for infinite combat steps as long as it can get through https://www.moxfield.com/decks/ZWwQIDMjSE-HP5qVA6ksgw

[feral sapphire]

With a lot of good white flying support coming in with Bloomburrow, im wanting to revamp my semi phoenix tribal [[syrix]] deck into a mardu deck but syrix as the secret commander. Any good suggestions for a mardu flying/aristocratic commander? My syrix deck for refference of the idea- https://www.moxfield.com/decks/AX92oVYxckemGw7KDDQ4ew

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/80/syrix-carrier-of-the-flame

Syrix, Carrier of the Flame <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Phoenix
Flying, haste
At the beginning of each end step, if a creature card left your graveyard this turn, target Phoenix you control deals damage equal to its power to any target.
Whenever another Phoenix you control dies, you may cast Syrix, Carrier of the Flame from your graveyard.
3/3

[left quail]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/BXzelVSNKEqBjar9ADGl_g

Too many lands?

[lone fox]

https://archidekt.com/decks/8473842 I need to cut some cards to make it legal. what should I take out?

[deep dune]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/VvDPffyzH02tEOVvp-neJw

I’m working on making my last cuts for [[Kastral the windcrested]], could someone give me a hand?

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/221/kastral-the-windcrested

Kastral, the Windcrested <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Bird Scout
Flying
Whenever one or more Birds you control deal combat damage to a player, choose one —
• You may put a Bird creature card from your hand or graveyard onto the battlefield with a finality counter on it.
• Put a +1/+1 counter on each Bird you control.
• Draw a card.
4/5

[subtle basin]

i dont have time to look rn, but when i get home in 2 days i can look

do you have any blink effects to remove the finality counters

[near slate]

My rough draft for Baylen, anyone wanna provide some insight? I'm trying to avoid token burn strats because I already made two decks like that and I want to spare my pod lol

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/O2TB0F1rxk-0unGED0XW_w

[deep dune]

I currently have 3 blink methods, but also have 3 cards that allow me to move or remove counters from them like [[nesting grounds]]

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh3/302/nesting-grounds

Nesting Grounds

Land
: Add .
, : Move a counter from target permanent you control onto another target permanent. Activate only as a sorcery.
Dappled coats become armored hides. Soft jaws become razor tusks. Nestling play becomes the fight for survival.

[opaque iris]

someone please help me out here 😭 I need to make 32 cuts...
The idea of the deck is just filling the graveyard with assassins and then exiling them with Altair to bring them back each combat. I also have some infinite combos that require either Port Razer or Scourge of The Throne and ways to turn them into assassins while in the graveyard (Ashes of the fallen, maskwood nexus, roshan, and conspiracy) That way they can get exiled and come back each combat, causing more combat steps to happen. Because of this loop, Altair needs evasion or ways to become indestructible so that he doesnt die or so that I could potentially win through commander damage/overruning the board with tokens. https://www.moxfield.com/decks/ZwSGSS9QlkeHSek8g1UEZw

[echo vector]

I had a wonderful idea for a deck and I need help finding cards for it

I'm calling it group thug, it's group hug, everyone gets stuff, and benefits. But with extra effects that give people downsides for using the resources I give them.

[prime iron]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/K03CuzZxvE-hWZrYu5ZHHQ

Am I missing anything? I feel like I've got enough dragons, there just aren't many low to the ground ones In dimir

There aren't many cards that care about dragons in these colors that I think I could have missed

[left quail]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/g7gJ4yZYTUCHnjpr1srThA

rate my budget niv-mizzet deck

[wind wren]

people might question it being budget with it being over $100 (despite most of that cost being taken up by one dragon who makes treasures).
It's good but as Niv-Mizzit decks go, you should expect to be targeted in most games

people know that Niv will combo quickly and, even without that, he's too powerful to keep around unanswered.

[haughty phoenix]

What are some good cards to pair with [[Eivor Wolf Kissed]] in trying to bring back a lot of cards from the graveyard? Yesterday I played her with [[Blackblade Reforged]] and doublestriked and relentless assaulted half my deck. I know it’s overkill and at that point I should be going for a kill, but there anything that can refill the library? Lost a lot of good men to quite the reckless attack

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/acr/54/eivor-wolf-kissed

Eivor, Wolf-Kissed <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Human Assassin Warrior
Trample, haste
Whenever Eivor, Wolf-Kissed deals combat damage to a player, you mill that many cards. You may put a Saga card and/or a land card from among them onto the battlefield.
"My destiny is mine to weave."
7/6

https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/178/blackblade-reforged

Blackblade Reforged <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Legendary Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature gets +1/+1 for each land you control.
Equip legendary creature
Equip
It spilled the blood of one elder dragon. In Gideon's hands, it may yet taste another's.

[left quail]

Ya if dropped the dragon it's sub 100

[naive prawn]

Are you worried about decking yourself? Because I don't believe that's possible? You'd kill everyone else with commander damage first unless you're hitting for 40+ or something (in which case you could likely just unequip or something)

[naive prawn]

This is often called "group slug" and there's an entire page on EDHrec for the theme: https://edhrec.com/themes/group-slug

[echo vector]

Idk if it particularly fits into group slug, I was always under the understanding that group slug was constant group damage that you manage to barely survive from using certain effects

[naive prawn]

Sure, but there will be a healthy overlap with the cards you're likely looking for

If you have a more specific idea of what you're after, then it might be possible to hone a scryfall search to be more targeted to what you're after

[echo vector]

So. Effects like smothering tithe. Or that new bloodroot apothecary card, more or less, I'm giving people resources. But they will be punished for using the resources I give them in some way.

[naive prawn]

There really aren't many cards that both gift resources and punish that same resource (it's happening more with current card design but was historically something that WotC strayed away from). You're likely better off trying to design a deck that chooses one resource that it gifts very efficiently and then running a bunch of cards designed to punish that resource. The classic example would be a [[nekusar]] deck, though you could undoubedtly do the same with treasure production or artifact ETBs etc.

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/349/nekusar-the-mindrazer

Nekusar, the Mindrazer <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Zombie Wizard
At the beginning of each player's draw step, that player draws an additional card.
Whenever an opponent draws a card, Nekusar, the Mindrazer deals 1 damage to that player.
His enemies wondered if the lich king's brutal death and unnatural rebirth had been his plan all along.
2/4

[naive prawn]

I'm also still not 100% certain what you're after given that smothering tithe notably does not give anyone else a resource and instead taxes their mana.

[normal kernel]

Would anyone be willing to give me some pointers on what to do with my creature base for a [[zoyowa, lava]] deck?

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/lci/245/zoyowa-lava-tongue

Zoyowa Lava-Tongue <:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Goblin Warlock
Deathtouch
At the beginning of your end step, if you descended this turn, each opponent may discard a card or sacrifice a permanent. Zoyowa Lava-Tongue deals 3 damage to each opponent who didn't. (You descended if a permanent card was put into your graveyard from anywhere.)
2/2

[normal kernel]

First Rakdos deck I’ve ever tried to make

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/UCTR55CDdkKlnQAOxLpIBg

[echo vector]

Yeah I know a lot of cards don't have that dual effect, but like you said, doing both seems really fun

[echo vector]

It was just one of the few answers I could actually find, tax effects and punish effects both would be okay.

[keen eagle]

you can do ms bumbleflower with the effects you’ve mentioned, consphinx, that one faerie etc

[naive prawn]

If you're specifically after cards that do both, you're likely going to want to lean red with the newer cards like [[pain distributor]] and [[generous plunderer]]

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/moc/33/pain-distributor

Pain Distributor <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Devil Citizen
Menace
Whenever a player casts their first spell each turn, they create a Treasure token.
Whenever an artifact an opponent controls is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, Pain Distributor deals 1 damage to that player.
2/3

https://scryfall.com/card/big/11/generous-plunderer

Generous Plunderer <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Human Rogue
Menace
At the beginning of your upkeep, you may create a Treasure token. When you do, target opponent creates a tapped Treasure token.
Whenever Generous Plunderer attacks, it deals damage to defending player equal to the number of artifacts they control.
2/2

[keen eagle]

descend into avernus

[echo vector]

Yeah consphinx Def was gonna be something I am gonna look into

[echo vector]

Both is beneficial, but just one or the other is fine, especially if it's a potent effect.

[keen eagle]

you could look at the lists with the goat or the two dudes for inspiration

most non meme group hug decks try to do what you said

[echo vector]

Okay.

I'm having a hard time actually finding a decent commander. Feels like the effect either falls flat or it doesn't have the best color identity.

[naive prawn]

Which ones do you feel would fall flat? It might be a simple matter of reframing the perspective?

[normal kernel]

[[Kros defense contractor]] could be what you need!

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/7/kros-defense-contractor

Kros, Defense Contractor <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Cat Advisor
At the beginning of your upkeep, put a shield counter on target creature an opponent controls.
Whenever you put one or more counters on a creature you don't control, tap that creature and goad it. It gains trample until your next turn. (Until your next turn, that creature attacks each combat if able and attacks a player other than you if able.)
2/4

[normal kernel]

You can pretty reliably goad everyone’s creatures each turn

While also making them stronger

Throw [[nils discipline]] in also

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/c21/20/nils-discipline-enforcer

Nils, Discipline Enforcer <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Human Cleric
At the beginning of your end step, for each player, put a +1/+1 counter on up to one target creature that player controls.
Each creature with one or more counters on it can't attack you or planeswalkers you control unless its controller pays , where X is the number of counters on that creature.
2/2

[echo vector]

Nekuzar might be good, but I feel like most good group hug effects are in green or white

Same with zedruu, but I feel like gifting actual permanents isn't really what I want to do.

[[Xyris]] seems pretty decent, and so does [[kynaios and tiro of meletis]]

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/175/xyris-the-writhing-storm

Xyris, the Writhing Storm <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Snake Leviathan
Flying
Whenever an opponent draws a card except the first one they draw in each of their draw steps, create a 1/1 green Snake creature token.
Whenever Xyris, the Writhing Storm deals combat damage to a player, you and that player each draw that many cards.
3/5

https://scryfall.com/card/c16/36/kynaios-and-tiro-of-meletis

Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis <:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Soldier
At the beginning of your end step, draw a card. Each player may put a land card from their hand onto the battlefield, then each opponent who didn't draws a card.
"Look what we fought for. Look what we built together."
2/8

[echo vector]

Not being able to give people treasures built onto the commander kinda sucks but, it could be made up for.

[naive prawn]

I think this goes back to my earlier comment about deciding what resource you want to gift to everyone, is it cards, creatures, lands, treasures? Deciding that will help narrow your choices

[echo vector]

Cards and treasures seems like the most easily taxed and punished resources, so I'd say them

[naive prawn]

I might suggest choosing one of those and hyper focusing on it. Gifting cards and mana is a dangerous thing, even if you plan on punish their use. You'd likely find more success if you optimized your deck around an abundance of cards in hand whilst your opponents are stuck with a bunch of uselessly redundant effects (or a similar idea for an abundance of mana).

Also, a strategy that requires cards that gift treasure, cards that gift cards, cards that punish treasure, and cards that punish cards seems difficult to pull off consistently. There'd be a decent chance you draw some combination of cards that gift treasure with cards that punish cards or vice versa which wouldn't feel great imo.

[echo vector]

So let's go with treasure then. I feel like most group hug decks focus on card draw, and I made a joke to a friend earlier about turning the game into deal or no deal lol

[normal kernel]

[[jolene plunder queen]] or [[vazi]]

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/73/jolene-the-plunder-queen

Jolene, the Plunder Queen <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Human Warrior
Whenever a player attacks one or more of your opponents, that attacking player creates a Treasure token.
If you would create one or more Treasure tokens, instead create those tokens plus an additional Treasure token.
Sacrifice five Treasures: Put five +1/+1 counters on Jolene.
2/2

https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/92/vazi-keen-negotiator

Vazi, Keen Negotiator <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Human Advisor
Haste
: Target opponent creates X Treasure tokens, where X is the number of Treasure tokens you created this turn.
Whenever an opponent casts a spell or activates an ability, if mana from a Treasure was spent to cast it or activate it, put a +1/+1 counter on target creature, then draw a card.
3/3

[echo vector]

Both of these seem like a lot of fun.

I've seen a lot of jolene decks. Hmm.

[normal kernel]

Jolene could go into a Vazi deck which is nice

[echo vector]

That is true

Are there any other decent options or are we kinda stuck with these two?

[naive prawn]

The commander could also be on the punishing side rather than the gifting side. There's definitely other options if you get a little creative with your search

[echo vector]

Moxfield time it is

I meant scryfall

[normal kernel]

Not sure if there are any other treasure token gift commanders

[echo vector]

Yeah I'm trying to look

Maybe something on the more punishing side?

Not good at searching scryfall lol, I'm trying so hard

[normal kernel]

Help pls

Experienced Rakdos players wanted

[echo vector]

Yeah I think vazi would probably be best. As much as I wanna look at another commander. I can't really find anything, but if anyone else finds something or has something in mind lemme know

I was thinking maybe [[maha, its feathers night]] [[manabarbs]] and [[blood moon]] would be good, thoughts?

[rare escarp]

Multiple cards match “maha”, can you be more specific?

https://scryfall.com/card/m12/150/manabarbs

Manabarbs <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
Whenever a player taps a land for mana, Manabarbs deals 1 damage to that player.
"I don't know why people say a double-edged sword is bad. It's a sword. With two edges." —Kamahl, pit fighter

https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/118/blood-moon

Blood Moon <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment
Nonbasic lands are Mountains.
Heavy light flooded across the landscape, cloaking everything in deep crimson.

[echo vector]

[[Maha, it's feathers night]]

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/100/maha-its-feathers-night

Maha, Its Feathers Night <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manab:292901508872273920><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Elemental Bird
Flying, trample
Ward—Discard a card.
Creatures your opponents control have base toughness 1.
Its wingspan reaches from dusk to dawn.
6/5

[echo vector]

Maha incase someone tries to animate their treasures, it would probably discourage it with a mass -x/-x spell, blood moon to force people to rely on the treasures, and manabarbs for similar reasons.

Any big staple cards?

[normal kernel]

[[pain distributor]] [[xorn]] [[emissary green]] (this guy is just a pet card for me tho)

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/moc/33/pain-distributor

Pain Distributor <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Devil Citizen
Menace
Whenever a player casts their first spell each turn, they create a Treasure token.
Whenever an artifact an opponent controls is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, Pain Distributor deals 1 damage to that player.
2/3

https://scryfall.com/card/afr/167/xorn

Xorn <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Elemental
If you would create one or more Treasure tokens, instead create those tokens plus an additional Treasure token.
Xorns are native to the Elemental Plane of Earth, where gems and rare stones are plentiful. When summoned elsewhere they can be quite destructive in search of food.
3/2

https://scryfall.com/card/clu/5/emissary-green

Emissary Green <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Human Advisor
Whenever Emissary Green attacks, starting with you, each player votes for profit or security. You create a number of Treasure tokens equal to twice the number of profit votes. Put a number of +1/+1 counters on each creature you control equal to the number of security votes.
3/3

[echo vector]

I think all of these actually work

[echo vector]

Any other ideas?

[normal kernel]

If you’re really wanting group treasures, [[shiny impetus]] could be a nice addition

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/otc/180/shiny-impetus

Shiny Impetus <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Enchantment — Aura
Enchant creature
Enchanted creature gets +2/+2 and is goaded. (It attacks each combat if able and attacks a player other than you if able.)
Whenever enchanted creature attacks, you create a Treasure token. (It's an artifact with ", Sacrifice this artifact: Add one mana of any color.")

[normal kernel]

You goad someone’s creature, make it stronger, but get a treasure token whenever it attacks

[echo vector]

That seems fantastic for this yeah

[crystal holly]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/ECDpuqbCpEithJuGqXwZZA

Ignore the lands, anything else I missed that’s obvious for him or suggestions

[grizzled bloom]

Man, why do I have so many deck ideas?

[spark ermine]

Thoughts on [[luminarch Acension]] and [[bloodchief acension]] in an Orzhov Angel deck? I’ve heard mixed things about getting them to turn on.

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/a25/23/luminarch-ascension

Luminarch Ascension <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Enchantment
At the beginning of each opponent's end step, if you didn't lose life this turn, you may put a quest counter on Luminarch Ascension. (Damage causes loss of life.)
: Create a 4/4 white Angel creature token with flying. Activate only if Luminarch Ascension has four or more quest counters on it.

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/139/bloodchief-ascension

Bloodchief Ascension <:manab:292901508872273920>

Enchantment
At the beginning of each end step, if an opponent lost 2 or more life this turn, you may put a quest counter on Bloodchief Ascension. (Damage causes loss of life.)
Whenever a card is put into an opponent's graveyard from anywhere, if Bloodchief Ascension has three or more quest counters on it, you may have that player lose 2 life. If you do, you gain 2 life.

[tame robin]

I know right. I made 5 decks last week...

[grizzled bloom]

I have Edward Kenway, Thalrog, a mono-blue deck, maybe Yarok

I'm currently working on the Thalrog deck

[tame robin]

I was thinking: what the heck is Thalrog 😄 You mean Thalia and Gitrog

I never heard that one before

[grizzled bloom]

Yup

I mean Thalia and the Gitrog Monster

Thalrog is just shorthand

I'm making it kind of like a Necrobloom deck... cuz Necrobloom is in the 99

[keen eagle]

is it shilgengar?

the commander matters a good deal

[spark ermine]

It’s liesa shroud of dusk for now. I may try Firja or Shilgengar down the line.

[keen eagle]

[[liesa shroud of dusk]]

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/286/liesa-shroud-of-dusk

Liesa, Shroud of Dusk <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manab:292901508872273920>

Legendary Creature — Angel
Rather than pay for each previous time you've cast this spell from the command zone this game, pay 2 life that many times.
Flying, lifelink
Whenever a player casts a spell, they lose 2 life.
5/5

[spark ermine]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/DnX0E5wSt06gPSiRozrw2Q

List is up to date. Bloodchief Acension is a recent add.

[copper moth]

I'm trying to make Doom guy theme commander, just can't figure out the color identity. Would it be Red black, Red white or red white black?

[grizzled bloom]

Probably red white black

[median herald]

zurgo maybe

[hallow flame]

Hey i have a question i'm trying to build a commander deck around my Vorinclex, monstrous raider.
Is there something you guys would still recommend or remove from it?
https://archidekt.com/decks/8510981/vorinclex_mono_green

[prime iron]

Vorinclex 👍

[naive prawn]

Have you played the list yet? Even just one player testing out how many turns it takes to run out of cards? I ask because it feels like you want more card draw effects.

[deep dune]

Hey, I got my deck down to 100 cards but would appreciate any insight you might have or cards that you would consider putting in over others. I do have some cards in my considering that I had cut before

[subtle basin]

Oh yeah oops I forgot to give you feedback

[deep dune]

No worries

[hallow flame]

No i have not i have most of the cards in the list but have not made the full deck

Just putting stuff together which i already have and wondering if you see something you'd want to add (or replace)

[fickle hornet]

[[Chef’s Kiss]] if someone steals my stompy creature for the turn will this gain control back of it and hit them??

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/120/chefs-kiss

Chef's Kiss <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Instant
Gain control of target spell that targets only a single permanent or player. Copy it, then reselect the targets at random for the spell and the copy. The new targets can't be you or a permanent you control.
"Cooked to perfection, of course."

[naive prawn]

I'm unsure of the situation you're describing; as written, it seems like you're describing an impossible situation. Chef's Kiss can only target spells while they're on the stack, it cannot target a creature that is already in play, even if it has temporarily switched control.

[fickle hornet]

Ok that makes sense. I’m looking for an instant speed mutiny type card where I can regain control of my creature

I died yesterday to someone gaining control of my dragon for the turn and hitting me with it

[naive prawn]

[[Homeward Path]] is the most common answer for this problem though I have always felt like it's too much mana to hold open. Instead, I'd recommend running sacrifice for value effects like [[momentous fall]] or something.

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/c16/301/homeward-path

Homeward Path

Land
: Add .
: Each player gains control of all creatures they own.
"Let your heels point you home." —Ancient blessing

https://scryfall.com/card/jmp/411/momentous-fall

Momentous Fall <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Instant
As an additional cost to cast this spell, sacrifice a creature.
You draw cards equal to the sacrificed creature's power, then you gain life equal to its toughness.
It wasn't long until the elves had developed a use for every part of the Eldrazi.

[naive prawn]

Oh wait, I though homeward path had a cost to it, ignore me. I never see this card in person lol.

[fickle hornet]

[[brand]] would this work as well??

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/usg/176/brand

Brand <:manar:292901508796645397>

Instant
Gain control of all permanents you own. (This effect lasts indefinitely.)
Cycling (, Discard this card: Draw a card.)
"By this glyph I affirm your role." —Urza, to Karn

[naive prawn]

It would, but I think you'd rather just grant your creature hexproof or shroud so they never even gain control of it in the first place.

Brand only helps when your creature has been stolen whereas something like [[smoke bomb]] or [[silver shroud costume]] can stop a theft effect or a kill spell or a myriad of other things.

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/acr/75/smoke-bomb

Smoke Bomb <:mana3:292901508771610624>

Artifact
Flash
All creatures have shroud. (They can't be the targets of spells or abilities.)
At the beginning of your upkeep, sacrifice Smoke Bomb. When you do, target creature you control can't be blocked this turn.
When the sun removes all shadows, the Assassins create their own.

https://scryfall.com/card/pip/142/silver-shroud-costume

Silver Shroud Costume <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact — Equipment
Flash
When Silver Shroud Costume enters the battlefield, attach it to target creature you control. That creature gains shroud until end of turn. (It can't be the target of spells or abilities.)
Equipped creature can't be blocked.
Equip

[fickle hornet]

That makes a lot of sense! Thank you!

[naive prawn]

I'd swap Lull, Pollenbright Druid, and Gift of the Viper for Evolution Witness, Colossal Majesty, and Freyalise Llanowars Fury.

[left quail]

Dump the calander, get more draw

[hallow flame]

Any cards that come to mind? i'm not really an experienced builder

[left quail]

Dump bone sabers, add railway brawler

Are you dedicating this to a landfall theme?

Heroic intervention is a well worth card for protection

Hydras' growth as well

You can also add sagas to this deck as they ETB with 2 counters right away with commander out

Equip cost of the sword blows

[naive prawn]

@hallow flame, before we start suggesting tons of cards, do you have budget restraints for this?

[hallow flame]

Wanna keep it under like 130 to not make the power go way to high, there is not really a theme apart from go big and do stompy

[left quail]

Well hydra's growth is cheap

[hallow flame]

euro

Yeah good adds

[left quail]

Only 1 euro

Equipment is Garbo, just do enchantments instead

Plenty of options

Equip costs gonna stunt the deck too much

Unless it's protection

Or you could do lost jitt

That's legit

No pun intended

Versatile cheap card

4 euro

Has evasion, +1+1 counters and ramp

Also gets counters so ur doubling the counters it gets from ur commander

Id say it's an auto include

[remote granite]

That’s the first time I’ve ever heard of auras as better than equipment

Which is just… not true

Is more powerful, maybe, but WAY more fragile

[left quail]

It is more fragile but do u Wana drop 6 mana to play+equip something

Then have ur thing removed

Then u gotta dump another 3 into equip again

Or u can just play rancor instead for 1

Just my thoughts

Or rather a different counter adding card

[remote granite]

There are a million and a half ways to cheat equip costs

Not to mention, if your creature dies you’re not just completely fucked

[hallow flame]

1 cost 1 equip is pretty good for the jitte

[left quail]

Yes in a deck that does that. He asked about a vorniclex deck

So I would personally move away from equipment

[remote granite]

You’re in green, you got ramp

[left quail]

His deck doesn't have much

[remote granite]

Get more ramp fr

[left quail]

I'm not trying to remake his whole deck

Just make what he has work

[remote granite]

(I’m not being entirely serious btw)

[left quail]

Great card, double strike with a bounce land gives it huge ramp potential

Or double counters in your cadt

Case

[hallow flame]

So Evolution Witness, Colossal Majesty, Freyalise Llanowars Fury, lost jitte, railway brawler, rancor? are some of the recomendations

[left quail]

Maybe not rancor

Since you need stuff that actually gives counters

Id get court of garenbrig instead

6.85 EUro

[hallow flame]

I'm a monkey and want the english version if i buy a card so thats a 12 euro one

[left quail]

I like that u have gift of the viper, under rated card for 1

[hallow flame]

Yeah like i said a lot of the cards i already have so just looking for the finishing pieces

Of like cheap good upgrades

Like my group is already gonna hate it but don't want them do insta go for me 😄

[left quail]

Ur commander is going to coat 14 before the game ends

Cost

[hallow flame]

Thanks for some of the recs gonna look into if i can snag a couple

[junior warren]

https://archidekt.com/decks/8542687/damia_discard_edh

Rate this budget deck I have made for Damia discard for EDH.

[normal kernel]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Zp0WDnTtkkqZ-wlxfWjsVA

Advice pls

Take a peek at the considering too

[naive prawn]

I might suggest replacing the Mystic Redaction as it's your own mill effect which would require you to discard ~40 cards for it to be a wincon, otherwise you may accidentally aid a graveyard deck.

[junior warren]

Ah okay, thanks for the heads up

[junior warren]

So my Animar Deck is nearly done, its theme is counters and im wondering what's the average amount of creatures that I should have? I was thinking ~35 at the least, ~40 at most

[naive prawn]

I don't think there's had limits on these kinds of things? It depends on if you're trying to play a super streamlined deck so things like [[beast whisperer]] become supercharged or if you're trying to mix and match your cards a little more for more variability.

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/clu/158/beast-whisperer

Beast Whisperer <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Elf Druid
Whenever you cast a creature spell, draw a card.
"The tiniest mouse speaks louder to me than all the festival crowds on Tin Street."
2/3

[naive prawn]

But if you're looking for a simpler answer, then yeah, 40 seems like a good target for your first iteration. I'm sure that number will change some once you get a chance to see it in action and get a sense for what is and isn't working.

[junior warren]

Yeah, i figured that I can go for 40 and see if i like it

[naive prawn]

Personally, I'd likely build it closer to ~55 creatures but I also have 32 decks so I need to design them to extremes to keep them feeling distinct.

[junior warren]

Fair enough

[normal kernel]

Pls help good people of TCC

[lone fox]

https://archidekt.com/decks/4939299/live_long_and

I want to put in marionette master but i do not know what to take out

any reccomendations?

[junior warren]

Take out blasphemous act, sure it deals 13 damage, but the mana cost, even if there might be a lot of creatures, is too expensive, your deck doesn’t have a lot of creatures on top of this

You have plenty of removal spells as well

@lone fox

[lone fox]

that makes allot of sense

thank you

[junior warren]

No problem! If your deck revolves around burn, then BA is the perfect card for the strategy. But yours revolves around artifacts and treasure token generation.

Also, i would suggest that you take advantage of using tags for your decks so people have a better understanding on what your deck theme is about

[keen eagle]

I would reconsider that suggestion, as you now have 0 boardwipes in your deck

theres reckless endeavor but there since its a dice roll card you could deal 2 damage to every creature for 7 mana

[junior warren]

Hmm, i do agree with this now i looked at the deck again, damnation isn’t a bad board wipe, it could replace reckless endeavor.

[keen eagle]

I mean I understand the endeavor include, im guessing its a treasure synergy thing but I think blasphemous act is pretty great in almost every deck in red

Especially when the creature count is somewhat minimal its not crazy that youre boardwiping in a 4 player game with 5 creatures out, and it costs normal board wipe prices (3R) and anything after that starts making it a pretty large discount

[junior warren]

I just think its not worth it cause of the low creature count but that’s just me

[keen eagle]

That makes it better I'd think, you're getting more card advantage out of it that way

[lone fox]

the problem i have had with endevor is that i have never cast it, it has mostly just been a dead card in my hand

origonally i wanted to swap it out with marrionette master because it is cheaper

[keen eagle]

yeah I mean you could just cut that but my worries mostly lie in your ability to stabilize

I would pick blas act over endeavor 90% of the time

[lone fox]

yeah that is why i did not cut it as well beacuse i didnt want to hinder my ability to swing the board state

[keen eagle]

If budget is a consideration then I think endeavor should be cut for blas act

I would look into adding 1-2 more board wipes

In black toxic delugee sunk in price recently to around $3

[junior warren]

Nice

[prime iron]

So sorry yo give you another card but [[street urchin]] goes crazy in prosper its just targeted removal for 2 treasures and you'll be getting more of those anyway

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/197/street-urchin

Street Urchin <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Enchantment — Background
Commander creatures you own have ", Sacrifice another creature or an artifact: This creature deals 1 damage to any target."
Your harsh upbringing on the streets of the city left you crafty, resilient, and wise beyond your years.

[prime iron]

He's got deathtouch

Just shoot every problem

[lone fox]

Oh wow that's sweet

[restive pebble]

Hey guys I want to pivot my [[Rocco, Street Chef]] deck into a Ratatoullie themed deck using all the new awesome red and white mouse creatures from Bloomburrow and elsewhere.

I've clocked all the LotR cards that have great synergies with food in Rocco's colors. What other food synergies could I be missing out on? I'm going to include some nice boosts for having artifacts in play as well.

Finally, what real deep cuts or non-obvious synergies exist for mouse cards in Naya colors?

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/mat/44/rocco-street-chef

Rocco, Street Chef <:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Elf Druid
At the beginning of your end step, each player exiles the top card of their library. Until your next end step, each player may play the card they exiled this way.
Whenever a player plays a land from exile or casts a spell from exile, you put a +1/+1 counter on target creature and create a Food token. (It's an artifact with ", , Sacrifice this artifact: You gain 3 life.")
2/4

[uneven flare]

I’m worried I might have gotten hyper focused when making this decks and want to make sure I’m not overlooking something or keeping in a bad card because it’s a “pet card”
[[Hazel of the Rootbloom]]
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/obSAvkfvC0mnW3WI6vICmg

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/blc/2/hazel-of-the-rootbloom

Hazel of the Rootbloom <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Squirrel Druid
, Pay 2 life, Tap X untapped tokens you control: Add X mana in any combination of colors.
At the beginning of your end step, create a token that's a copy of target token you control. If that token is a Squirrel, instead create two tokens that are copies of it.
"May all your caches be full."
3/5

[left quail]

Anyone build food kitty?

[left quail]

You want it stronger? It lacks removal In my opinion

And it lacks ramp

Is it squirrel tribal?

Aristocrat?

Beast Master ascension, dump for something else

Probably parallel lives

[junior warren]

https://archidekt.com/decks/8584140

Need help on this deck, I feel like this is a bit too much lands but since its a demon tribal, their mana costs are expensive, what do you guys think?

[buoyant wigeon]

40 is too many lands for this commander i think. ur commander is a 6/6 for 4 mana w flying and trample, pretty often theres gonna be someone at the table entirely unable to block him on turn for (assuming you get him out turn 3), which means all ur demons costing 6 less that turn

[junior warren]

Right, so i should not worry too much about having too few land drops if i go to 35 lands?

[proper fiber]

I have never seen a blasphemous act be cast for more than 1 or 2 mana

It is one of the best boardwipes for commander

idk what you're on about lmao

Keep in mind that it counts everyone's creatures, not just yours

[proper fiber]

The biggest issue I see is that your deck doesn't really do much of anything until Rakdos is on board, and it also might have trouble getting him out on curve

consider adding a few cheap pingers like [[spear spewer]]. You can play them early and they also serve as quasi ramp pieces when Rakdos is on the board.

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/rna/117/spear-spewer

Spear Spewer <:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Goblin Warrior
Defender
: Spear Spewer deals 1 damage to each player.
"Don't waste time aiming, you lazy gob-slug! Fire!" —Krenko, mob boss
0/2

[proper fiber]

Ideally, you want to play one of those on turn 1, play a mana rock on turn 2, play Rakdos on turn 3

then on turn 4, you can already drop a big demon or whatever

Though the other thing to consider, and the reason why I probably would add a few lands back, is how well the deck runs when Rakdos is removed. Because people will quickly take note and try and kill Rakdos before you can ramp out a big guy

If you then also stumble on land drops, you're in trouble

[junior warren]

I have come across this problem when I play tested the deck, and have been wondering how to balance the curve for Rakdos. I kind of figured i had the right idea the first time but did not take cheap pingers under consideration.

Add more lands, add cheap pingers for psuedo ramp with Rakdos

[bold rune]

Wanting to swap the lands I have in the satya deck I posted, any help is great

Not looking for better mana ramp to be clear, just for better utility lands to run, especially if they're artifact lands

[bold rune]

Nevermind

[eternal skiff]

How do you play combat focused EDH decks in a high-power, removal heavy pod? I've found that as power creep has increased in my playgroup that, unless I have an incredibly explosive play where I can win the game on the same turn, I get hated out of the game very easily. For example, I play Xenagos and Miirym decks, and all it takes is a couple removal/counterspells/boardwipes and I'm essentially out of the game. I feel like I run a good amount of board-protection but it doesn't seem effective

[remote granite]

Well, if you’re in blue counterspells help a lot

Also don’t run out all your stuff all at on e

If you win a turn late because you didn’t play all your stuff out, then that means you still have threats to deploy

[eternal skiff]

See I find it tough NOT to do that. It seems like if I hold back and play just one big beater then it draws attention and puts a target on my back

so I feel inclined to dump my hand and try to do lethal as quick as possible

Another issue I find with holding back is that I end up wasting mana

[remote granite]

Wasting mana not losing the game sounds like a good tradeoff

As for getting a bigger target painted on your back, idk who thinks of that but that’s completely counterintuitive

[eternal skiff]

you'd be surprised

i guess part of it is that I have a reputation for being powerful, even though my win rate has gone down a ton in the past year, to the point where I have the lowest win rate in my pod

[remote granite]

Yeah, reputation can have a big impact

I accidentally pubstomped with a Ms. Bumbleflower deck on Saturday and now people in my LGS are saying she’s KOS

[eternal skiff]

that's annoying but simultaneously very entertaining to hear

[remote granite]

She’s the cutest bunny on the planet that just so happens to have the biggest stockpile of Agent Orange known to man

[eternal skiff]

Might build that deck, seems pretty fun and it's very different from my typical playstyle

The anime art is presaling for $170 LMAO

[remote granite]

I wasn’t a fan of group hug but her version of it is quite good

[eternal skiff]

Yeah group hug is hit or m iss

You need a wincon if youre gonna play it

[remote granite]

It’s very targeted, so anyone who slights you just starts getting a huge disadvantage

Because that player’s opponents are drawing so many cards

[remote granite]

Bumbleflower IS the wincon

[eternal skiff]

She does seem pretty powerful

how do you usually win with it, just getting things huge or through the card advantage she supplies?

[remote granite]

Both

I’ve very frequently killed everyone with commander damage while also holding up like 4 protection spells

To be fair, I have also upgraded the group hug entirely out of the deck

[eternal skiff]

ok so it sounds fairly voltron-y

[remote granite]

Which is fine, because usually people are much nicer about targeting bumbleflower because it means they get to draw cards if she’s alive

[eternal skiff]

thats a very good point

it reminds me of my friend's Kwain deck

[remote granite]

And if they DO target her? Their two other opponents are going to draw a LOT of removal to point their way…

Then you drop something that benefits from your opponents drawing extra cards and you get stomks

Like [[consecrated sphinx]]

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/43/consecrated-sphinx

Consecrated Sphinx <:mana4:292901508712890379><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Sphinx
Flying
Whenever an opponent draws a card, you may draw two cards.
A curse is just another name for an unwanted blessing.
4/6

[eternal skiff]

oh man smothering tithe is especially evil in this deck

[remote granite]

Yup

She also commits a crime when she targets your opponents, so [[freestrider lookout]] goes hard

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/otj/163/freestrider-lookout

Freestrider Lookout <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185>

Creature — Human Rogue
Reach
Whenever you commit a crime, look at the top five cards of your library. You may put a land card from among them onto the battlefield tapped. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order. This ability triggers only once each turn. (Targeting opponents, anything they control, and/or cards in their graveyards is a crime.)
3/3

[remote granite]

And, of course, Nadu

But that’s waaaaay too good

[eternal skiff]

That's incredible

[remote granite]

Like, I’m taking it out of my deck too good

[eternal skiff]

I will say that I am very uninterested in voltron as a playstyle but bumbleflower sounds pretty damn fun

[remote granite]

She’s not even really Voltron so much as she is control

[eternal skiff]

I was going to build a [[Baylen]] deck but this may take priority

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/205/baylen-the-haymaker

Baylen, the Haymaker <:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Rabbit Warrior
Tap two untapped tokens you control: Add one mana of any color.
Tap three untapped tokens you control: Draw a card.
Tap four untapped tokens you control: Put three +1/+1 counters on Baylen, the Haymaker. It gains trample until end of turn.
4/3

[remote granite]

My deck plays like straight up hard control

[eternal skiff]

Thats amazing

[remote granite]

Lemme update the decklist and I’ll post it

[eternal skiff]

sounds good

[remote granite]

I need to find a slot for [[space beleren]]

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/unf/178/space-beleren

Space Beleren <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manaw:1007102126813610074><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Planeswalker — Jace
Space sculptor (Space Beleren divides the battlefield into alpha, beta, and gamma sectors. If a creature isn't assigned to a sector, its controller assigns it to one. Opponents assign first.)
+1: Creatures in each sector can be blocked this turn only by creatures in the same sector.
−1: Put a +1/+1 counter on each creature in the sector of your choice.
−5: Destroy all creatures in the sector of your choice.
Loyalty: 3

[eternal skiff]

lmao nice

[normal kernel]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/AAhhqVWtuEOdHd6IYAJIIA

Okay so I changed up Maeve a little bit— this version being more focused on control. What stuff should I put in for the last spots?

I’d like to fill the last spots up with instants and sorceries

[eternal skiff]

[[pongify]] and [[rapid hybrid]] are always handy

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/otc/106/pongify

Pongify <:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Destroy target creature. It can't be regenerated. Its controller creates a 3/3 green Ape creature token.
Some spellcrafting mistakes go on to become spells of their own.

https://scryfall.com/card/clu/93/rapid-hybridization

Rapid Hybridization <:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Destroy target creature. It can't be regenerated. That creature's controller creates a 3/3 green Frog Lizard creature token.
"We've merged your life essence with that of several creatures at once. You're welcome." —Speaker Trifon

[eternal skiff]

[[cyclonic rift]] is always good

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/40/cyclonic-rift

Cyclonic Rift <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Return target nonland permanent you don't control to its owner's hand.
Overload (You may cast this spell for its overload cost. If you do, change "target" in its text to "each.")
The Izzet specialize in unnatural disaster.

[eternal skiff]

take my words with a grain of salt, monoblue control couldn't be further from my playstyle

[high tide]] is powerful

[[high tide]]

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/54/high-tide

High Tide <:manau:292901508754702338>

Instant
Until end of turn, whenever a player taps an Island for mana, that player adds an additional .
"Close the walls! Retract the docks! The homarids are coming!" —Benson, Argivian sentry

[remote granite]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/B8zzpDQtNkGBPXpSWrXH8w

[eternal skiff]

Awesome, appreciate it

[junior warren]

Omg these card names 💀

Love it XD

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/avr/148/malignus

Malignus <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Elemental Spirit
Malignus's power and toughness are each equal to half the highest life total among your opponents, rounded up.
Damage that would be dealt by Malignus can't be prevented.
It descended on Estwald like a sudden storm. Moments later, only ashes and agony remained.
*/*

[normal kernel]

Oh great adds

[junior warren]

Dumb question, can I have multiple copies of [[Wastes]] in my commander deck since its a basic land?

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/1055/wastes

Wastes

Basic Land
: Add .

[prime iron]

Yes since theyre basics but usually questions are asked in #rules-questions

[junior warren]

Ah okay, thanks!

[grizzled bloom]

I kinda want to make a [[Raggadragga]] deck

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/clb/291/raggadragga-goreguts-boss

Raggadragga, Goreguts Boss <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Human Boar
Each creature you control with a mana ability gets +2/+2.
Whenever a creature you control with a mana ability attacks, untap it.
Whenever you cast a spell, if at least seven mana was spent to cast it, untap target creature. It gets +7/+7 and gains trample until end of turn.
4/4

[prime iron]

My friend has an eldrazi scion token deck of him that goes crazy

[fleet seal]

anybody knows of easy ways to consistently untap hazel the rootbloom, so in golgari colors?

[prime iron]

Not sure that's really golgari's thing

[fleet seal]

yeah I can't think of a card either, but I thought maybe somebody here has a good idea

if somebody comes up with sth, feel free to @ me

[prime iron]

I'll check when I get home

[feral sapphire]

Have 2 bloomburrow commanders I wanna build amd need advice to improve them a bit

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/6qF5JCwTnUGaZJZeLWQ0Mw

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/O5H1Mht2nU-CZW3-g-JscA

[trim bridge]

what power level would you all rate my queza deck? https://www.moxfield.com/decks/jRVOwKJO60GA9OTk1OwSzw

[floral anchor]

question: would the fourth and sixth doctors work if i only have 16 historic spells? its a simic commander deckl based on OMO

[left quail]

I mean maybe? Not really getting any value from them if you only have 16 historics

[left quail]

Frantic search for sure in this deck

Ur missing ramp as well

As far as I can tell

Unless ur just relying solely on single land drops

And enough removal

If you get wiped recovery is going to be almost impossible

Imo it's a 6

[floral anchor]

Someone was recommending 20

[left quail]

You probably want to have at least 20-25, having one in your starting hand is crucial so you can get value right away

Relying on top decking something is gonna suck.

[normal kernel]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/kgXwHfUBzkeWNrkAZvi9Lg

I think this might be somewhat solid!

[hollow drum]

So I have two decks I’m brewing rn and I’m kinda thinking about a couple situations

What options do I have to get Boseiju back in my hand after channeling it in Abzan? It’s a Thalrog landfall deck that plays ways to play lands out of the graveyard but I can’t think of a way to bounce Boseiju for removal

The second is Bria prowess and I was curious to know if there was a sort of Teferi’s Protection style effect in any cards in Izzet, it’s mainly to protect my own creatures from board wipes like Blasphemous Act

[proper fiber]

You could run bouncelands to get boseiju back to hand.

Also great to get any other MDFC lands back to hand to recast them

[slim raft]

This is pretty basic, and with boros colours I am way out of my element.

Could someone help me sanity check and improve this budget [[Mabel]] deck?

https://discord.com/channels/574711449566445603/1269941767755534346

[rare escarp]

Multiple cards match “Mabel”, can you be more specific?

[slim raft]

[[Mabel, Heir to Cragflame]]

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/224/mabel-heir-to-cragflame

Mabel, Heir to Cragflame <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manar:292901508796645397><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Legendary Creature — Mouse Soldier
Other Mice you control get +1/+1.
When Mabel, Heir to Cragflame enters, create Cragflame, a legendary colorless Equipment artifact token with "Equipped creature gets +1/+1 and has vigilance, trample, and haste" and equip .
3/3

[opaque iris]

I would love some feedback on this terrible deck I put together. https://www.moxfield.com/decks/Ek83ZXVi9U6f09eYFvXQbw

[prime iron]

You did it

You broke wowzer

Good job

[opaque iris]

lmao

its such a jank deck

surprising amount of cards that overlap with what Wowzer needs though

[fickle hornet]

Sea monster deck built around [[xavier sal infested captain]] ???

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/14/xavier-sal-infested-captain

Xavier Sal, Infested Captain <:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Human Fungus Pirate
, Remove a counter from another permanent you control: Populate. Activate only as a sorcery. (Create a token that's a copy of a creature token you control.)
, Sacrifice another creature: Proliferate. Activate only as a sorcery. (Choose any number of permanents and/or players, then give each another counter of each kind already there.)
3/3

[prime iron]

If you don't have a problem with partners I've got a [[brinelin]] and [[ikra shidiqi]] it's absolutely insane as a control sea monsters deck, as soon as you find sanguine bond you just hit them for 3 gain 28 it's cracked

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/78/brinelin-the-moon-kraken

Brinelin, the Moon Kraken <:mana6:292901508780130304><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Kraken
When Brinelin, the Moon Kraken enters and whenever you cast a spell with mana value 6 or greater, you may return target nonland permanent to its owner's hand.
Partner (You can have two commanders if both have partner.)
6/8

https://scryfall.com/card/cm2/11/ikra-shidiqi-the-usurper

Ikra Shidiqi, the Usurper <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Snake Wizard
Menace
Whenever a creature you control deals combat damage to a player, you gain life equal to that creature's toughness.
Partner (You can have two commanders if both have partner.)
"Now the scaled ones rule Tarkir."
3/7

[prime iron]

It can fit all the sea monster guys like simic creature kiora and runo stromkirk

Idk what Xavier Sal would do for the sea monsters tbh

[fickle hornet]

This is what I have so far for Xavier Sal:
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/9GdHr08Fk0OyhCTVnRDSpQ

[fickle hornet]

I really like the idea of having both Kiora and runo!

[prime iron]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/77b-t-QYaU-NRALMnmcO8g

This one's mine, I like doom shroom but it feels much more like a +1/+1 counter deck with a sea monster flavor on it

[fickle hornet]

I see what your saying now that I see your deck. That looks like a lot of fun to play!

Do you think that the version I created would be more cute than playable/ a threat in game?

[fickle hornet]

Also killer name for the deck haha

[prime iron]

I think it super works! I was just commenting on the way the deck is leaning, this has a much lower average cmc so uou gotta put way less into ramp and land drops than mine, it seems more consistent

[fickle hornet]

Okay that makes sense! Im a newer player so im used to my decks not doing exactly what I was hoping for 😂 that’s why I was asking that way

[fickle hornet]

I love how stompy yours is and the life gain combo with it is pretty brilliant

[long elk]

I just built this deck and wanted to get any advice, opinions and power level suggestion, i'd say it's a high 7 but would love a second opinionhttps://www.archidekt.com/decks/8700774/helga

[summer roost]

I am almost at my final build for this
Can I please get some suggestions and thoughts about it before I pull the trigger?
https://www.archidekt.com/decks/6205756/the_tomb_raider

[cunning sail]

I'm new to commander and need help rating what PL these decks are at

Here's my current deck:
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/s3WUUe3l6EiUKHMNQ5uHfA

I also made a variant of the deck that focuses more on token buff instead:
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/mSFejCyrSkWcv4QlHjyCHw

[prime iron]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/0lpM0ITpnUaxjCjeqE79SA

Making a mazzy deck around the auras that enchant lands and then animating said lands

I was having a lot of fun building until I realized Obbun is just this but stapled onto a body

He even gives them trample

[thick vale]

Not sure if this is the right place to ask the question but I was wondering.

What's the land for underneath $20 that you think everyone should have in their collection? One that can work in many decks

[grizzled bloom]

Command tower for sure is one

I kinda want to make a [[Discord, Lord of Disharmony]] deck lol

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/sld/798/discord-lord-of-disharmony

Discord, Lord of Disharmony <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Chimera
Flying
At the beginning of your end step, choose a random nonland Magic card name. Until your next end step, you may cast a copy of a spell with that name, and mana of any type can be spent to cast it. If you cast a spell this way, copy this ability if Discord is on the battlefield.
"Oh, what fun is there in making sense?"
3/5

[normal kernel]

How would y’all build [[hapatra]] while leaning into tokens and a semi-voltron vibe?

[rare escarp]

Multiple cards match “hapatra”, can you be more specific?

[normal kernel]

[[hapatra, vizier]]

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/akh/199/hapatra-vizier-of-poisons

Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons <:manab:292901508872273920><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Human Cleric
Whenever Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons deals combat damage to a player, you may put a -1/-1 counter on target creature.
Whenever you put one or more -1/-1 counters on a creature, create a 1/1 green Snake creature token with deathtouch.
Her subtle smile is suffused with venom.
2/2

[normal kernel]

I don’t have much in the way of -1/-1 counters, but I have a lot of great equipment to make her unblockable, token makers, and more.

[proper fiber]

The most obvious way to build Hapatra would indeed be to just lean into -1/-1 counters. I don't think voltron is super worthwhile with her because it just doesn't let you distribute -1/-1 counters with her very efficiently.
If you reeeally want to build her as a voltron deck, i guess you'd probably want to give her double strike so you can at least get her damage trigger twice. Maybe also some token and counter doublers.

[river wolf]

i've been adding cards since the release of the Assassin's Creed set, but now I'm over. can someone please help me cut some cards to get to 100? https://archidekt.com/decks/5981973/pirate_pillaging

[left quail]

What's the main goal of the deck

[river wolf]

Mainly just trying to win the game by stealing opponents’ stuff

[left quail]

Breach the multiverse

Is Missing or did I miss it

New tinybones

Stealing for you is temoval

Removal*

So am you can go lighter on the killing stuff

And heavier on the stealing

If that's your goal

Could definitely abuse outlaw mechanics in here too

Maybe throw in a sac outlet of some sort so if you need to respond to someone trying to take stuff back you can

You'll only struggle against a blue player running heavy bounce spells

Imo

Or a spell slinger

[opaque iris]

is [[eluge the shoreless sea]] considered a saltier commander? I know blue is a saltier color because of counterspells but I want to make a mono blue spell slinger that wont make people hate me for playing it.

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/blb/49/eluge-the-shoreless-sea

Eluge, the Shoreless Sea <:mana1:292901508373282827><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Legendary Creature — Elemental Fish
Eluge's power and toughness are each equal to the number of Islands you control.
Whenever Eluge enters or attacks, put a flood counter on target land. It's an Island in addition to its other types for as long as it has a flood counter on it.
The first instant or sorcery spell you cast each turn costs (or ) less to cast for each land you control with a flood counter on it.
*/*

[left quail]

Best abzan deathtouch tribal?

[left quail]

I mean mono blue is gross no matter what. This just lets you cast the X draw spells for extra draw, the extra turn blue spells for cheap. It's disgusting.

And you can easily make it consistent with all the blue tutors

And not having counters in mono blue defeats the purpose of playing mono blue

[opaque iris]

cause you can displacer kitten and keep adding flood counters. As long as you cast an instant on everybody's turn you're getting insane value

[left quail]

And chain it into other bounce spells, definitely have a few "everything has flash" type stuff

Make it even more gross

Once you have 3 flood counters game is pretty much over

In theory

1 flood counter into a high tide

Gg

Even the high cost extra turn spells are viable in there

[slim raft]

I'm in the market for a goad deck, and I am wondering if in this day and age, does the [[Kardur, Doomscourge]] Chaos Incarnate precon still hold up? Or am I better off building something from scratch?

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/khm/216/kardur-doomscourge

Kardur, Doomscourge <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manab:292901508872273920><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Demon Berserker
When Kardur, Doomscourge enters, until your next turn, creatures your opponents control attack each combat if able and attack a player other than you if able.
Whenever an attacking creature dies, each opponent loses 1 life and you gain 1 life.
4/3

[summer walrus]

Hey guys i have a problem i dont know what i should cut from the deck

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/33pUQBjQCkW-g39zZNezbQ

[prime iron]

Hey he's still good, you're just pressed on ways to blink him

[slim raft]

I reckon that some graveyard shenanigans are the closest rakdos will get to flickering?

[flint peak]

How many lands should a commander deck have?

I built a Shrine deck and I only have 30

I feel like I need more.

[normal kernel]

I always start with 36 lands and go down from there. Currently running 34 in my mono red deck but I have mana rocks and treasure token generation.

[flint peak]

Yeah see mines WUBRG, but I have several mana dorks and the shrine that makes infinite mana so I might be good. I posted the deck list if you or anyone else wants to look at it.

[left quail]

Best card to return all creatures to the owners control?

[prime iron]

Basically, there's a sword that blinks and ramps as well as conjurerer closet but that's about it yeah

But ynow you're in rakdos

You got the graveyard colors

[slim raft]

Feign effects will help as well.

[prime iron]

Lotsa those

I think it'd be a fun deck

[summer roost]

I think my deck is ready to be built. Asking for thoughts before I do.
I may take out [[Professional Facebreaker]] since I'm not attacking too often.
https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/01-04-24-rain-of-arrows/?cb=1723218476

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/snc/116/professional-face-breaker

Professional Face-Breaker <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Human Warrior
Menace
Whenever one or more creatures you control deal combat damage to a player, create a Treasure token.
Sacrifice a Treasure: Exile the top card of your library. You may play that card this turn.
2/3

[mystic whale]

If you make a lot of treasures, it might still be good for the exile. But if not then yeah I'd probably takeit out too

[hardy fulcrum]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/iAocN7qe5kuS62NWaQ0_6A How is my Feather deck looking? Any major pieces missing?

[strange steeple]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/S7Ptx2t0WUGQp6Dxu-rGqA

[strange steeple]

this is my take on it. Similar style,
Some funnier includes:
[[Farewell]] - if played early it can put you ahead.
[[Wrath of God]] or [[Day of Judgement]] as it's 4 mana rathern than 5 mana with a foretell.
mine is half blink and half pump.
[[Not of this world]] is hilarious when you get maze of ith'd and you just say "leave it on the stack," pump yourself up, and then counter the maze.
[[Fight as one]] is also pretty good, I saw that in your considering and if you have it, sneaking in indestructible is always great
[[Aurelia the Warleader]] usually can help end faster, if feather is big, swing in with aurelia the warleader, have a second combat and double up the combats.
And if you have it [[arena of glory]], it helps on the feather recasts.
TL:DR, your commander is gonna get removed, blink spells are funny, giving indestructible is funny

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/4_Oeu49Tzk6qsU_xrH1BfA anyway another deck. goal is to get out outlets, ping, and infinite tokens. trying to speed it up

[normal kernel]

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/B-TUbWxtNkycF5pT1j-60g

Reworked my Alexios deck into this because I realized my playgroup doesn’t respond well to voltron. Any advice? I think maybe I should lower my artifact count and put more creatures with haste into the deck. I don’t own [[professional face breaker]] just yet either.

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/snc/116/professional-face-breaker

Professional Face-Breaker <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manar:292901508796645397>

Creature — Human Warrior
Menace
Whenever one or more creatures you control deal combat damage to a player, create a Treasure token.
Sacrifice a Treasure: Exile the top card of your library. You may play that card this turn.
2/3

[remote granite]

So @eternal skiff my bumbleflower plays out much more like bant control. I’ve seen several different brews between aikido, Simic BS™️, and even +1/+1 counters

[eternal skiff]

Bant control is my ideal strategy for the deck

My current issue with it right now is I suspect it will not have much winning power

[remote granite]

What are your main win con ideas? Beeg bnuuy is an option of course

[eternal skiff]

Big bunny is definitely one I'm looking at, I do have [[approach of the second sun]] in the deck as well

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/akh/4/approach-of-the-second-sun

Approach of the Second Sun <:mana6:292901508780130304><:manaw:1007102126813610074>

Sorcery
If this spell was cast from your hand and you've cast another spell named Approach of the Second Sun this game, you win the game. Otherwise, put Approach of the Second Sun into its owner's library seventh from the top and you gain 7 life.

[eternal skiff]

Problem with big bunny is that my meta is very removal and board wipe heavy

[remote granite]

Yeah, you’ll definitely want a lot of protection

Bumbleflower usually doesn’t see much targeted removal in my experience, but she will 100% get hit by stray board wipes

[eternal skiff]

Right

So more protection could definitely be handy i think

another concern of mine is the sheer amount of card draw she supplies opponents

[remote granite]

Right now I run 7 pieces of protection/ways to buy her back from the yard

[eternal skiff]

it seems like it could be very kingmaker-y, which I want to avoid

[remote granite]

You’d be surprised. So bumbleflower DOES necessitate being a bit smart about the deck, buuut as a result you get a lot of extra value from your cards.

If you can avoid it, don’t cast more spells than you need to. More than two is all downside unless you’re planning to kill someone ASAP

[eternal skiff]

That's what I heard

I watched the command zone video on the deck which inspired my decision to run a ton of cheap instants

[remote granite]

Try and hand out cards equally until someone is the biggest threat, then “heroically” gift the other two opponents ways to deal with them

[eternal skiff]

Something that concerns me though is it seems like limiting yourself to 2 spells a turn seems like it could hamper your growth

[remote granite]

Josh’s deck is certainly very different, and the brew they did is solid but in a bit too obvious of a direction

[eternal skiff]

I agree

[remote granite]

That’s why in my control deck my bigger, more important spells are what get double castes

Or you can double ramp, or double draw, you are constantly improving your board state just by playing magic

Because you constantly pump your creatures

Biggest turning point for the deck, however, is when you do an effectively one sided board wipe, or a wipe + protection combo

OR protect yourself from someone else’s wipe

[eternal skiff]

How would you describe the power level of the decks you've played it against? My meta is pretty fast

[remote granite]

Tbh, the highest it’s beaten is solid 8s so far, but through a few smart plays I dominated the table the whole game. Biggest thing was a very well timed board wipe that sat in my hand from t1

8s meaning “possibly some tutors, some combos, some fast mana”

[eternal skiff]

That's probably around where my pod is at

[remote granite]

It was Sram, Senior Edificer, 4 mana Sheoldred, and one other

[eternal skiff]

Thats pretty powerful

[remote granite]

In order for bumbleflower to punch up against them, you need to ensure you have some kind of answer consistently

And you’d think that would be by running a lot of removal

But I’ve found having a HUGE card draw suite to be a lot more effective

[eternal skiff]

I can see that

drawing answers is huge

[remote granite]

Get a card draw engine or two and you’re flying through your deck

Then you run payoffs for your opponents drawing cards and you’re gaining exponential advantage

Kinda like [[psychic posession]]

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/dis/30/psychic-possession

Psychic Possession <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Enchantment — Aura
Enchant opponent
Skip your draw step.
Whenever enchanted opponent draws a card, you may draw a card.
"You will do the thinking for the both of us!"

[remote granite]

And con sphinx

[eternal skiff]

you dont find psychic or con sphinx to be clunky?

[remote granite]

Not at all

If your opponents don’t deal with those cards ASAP you’ve built an easy way to win

Every spell you cast with bumbleflower out turns into 1-2 cards drawn??

That means you get to hold up all the free spells your heart desires + an extra protection spell for shits and giggles

[eternal skiff]

they do draw attention though, i assume

[remote granite]

True

[wintry pond]

I built bumbleflower pretty similarly to Josh's. Still waiting for the cards to arrive but it looks very fun

I leaned more into tokens and +1+1 counters

[remote granite]

Yeah, i was tempted to make a second bunny deck focusing on +1/+1 counters

[normal kernel]

Still looking for advice 🙏

[mystic whale]

What's the groups problem? The goad?

[normal kernel]

My original version of the deck had [[alexios, Deimos]] as the commander and with goad + a whole lot of equipment to power him up even more, people didn’t like it. There’s always removal, but it seemed to not bring as much fun to the table as I thought— so I switched to Grenzo with this version with Alexios in the 99. It’s not as fine-tuned though.

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/acr/33/alexios-deimos-of-kosmos

Alexios, Deimos of Kosmos <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manar:292901508796645397>

Legendary Creature — Human Berserker
Trample
Alexios, Deimos of Kosmos attacks each combat if able, can't be sacrificed, and can't attack its owner.
At the beginning of each player's upkeep, that player gains control of Alexios, untaps it, and puts a +1/+1 counter on it. It gains haste until end of turn.
4/4

[mystic whale]

It might just be the goad part. Try only using the exile part instead

[left quail]

This forces the game to be quick and unless everyone is ok with that then it is annoying. And or people are running removal.

My sovereign deck makes it even faster, it's pretty insane when I play against it

[mystic whale]

My decks don't attack so goad is super annoying lol. I kill it with fire every chance I get lol

[left quail]

Need 1 drop deathtouch for it

Then I just throw a [[brotherhood regalia]] on it

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/acr/71/brotherhood-regalia

Brotherhood Regalia <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature has ward , is an Assassin in addition to its other types, and can't be blocked.
Equip legendary creature
Equip (: Attach to target creature you control. Equip only as a sorcery.)
An Assassin's best armor is not being seen.

[left quail]

G2g

[sand oracle]

What are some non-combat alternate-win-conditions for a [[Titania, Nature's Force]] deck? The top choice at the moment is [[Altar of Dementia]] which does lean into the mill subtheme a little.

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/mh1/218/altar-of-dementia

Altar of Dementia <:mana2:292901509060886528>

Artifact
Sacrifice a creature: Target player mills cards equal to the sacrificed creature's power.
"It is not that you will go mad. It is that you will beg for madness." —Volrath

[sand oracle]

Other suggestion is [[Questing Beast]]. 🥲
Pro: can be tutored, can be recurred easier, can get through fogs (lot of fogs in my metas, fog inspired this question).
Cons: if I'm not allowed to attack, it doesn't do much.

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/eld/171/questing-beast

Questing Beast <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Legendary Creature — Beast
Vigilance, deathtouch, haste
Questing Beast can't be blocked by creatures with power 2 or less.
Combat damage that would be dealt by creatures you control can't be prevented.
Whenever Questing Beast deals combat damage to an opponent, it deals that much damage to target planeswalker that player controls.
4/4

[tawdry hatch]

Looking to cut 3 cards, the only 3 that I want to keep in the deck are the three planeswalkers
The deck is an upgraded Ms. Bumbleflower precon that I'm trying to focus on playing things on every turn.
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/14XBTO8340aH7lzj8j5b1A

[naive prawn]

Your options for non combat wins in mono Green are pretty limited. You could come up with some infinite combo: https://commanderspellbook.com/search/?q=ci%3Agreen+result%3A"Infinite+damage"

Or maybe use something akin to [[hurricane]] to try and burn the table out?

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/10e/270/hurricane

Hurricane <:manax:292901509082120202><:manag:292901508654301185>

Sorcery
Hurricane deals X damage to each creature with flying and each player.
"Don't envy the grandeur of drakes. Their impression of grace fades when the first gust sends them crashing into one another." —Molimo, maro-sorcerer

[remote granite]

[[body of knowledge]]

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/59/body-of-knowledge

Body of Knowledge <:mana3:292901508771610624><:manau:292901508754702338><:manau:292901508754702338>

Creature — Avatar
Body of Knowledge's power and toughness are each equal to the number of cards in your hand.
You have no maximum hand size.
Whenever Body of Knowledge is dealt damage, draw that many cards.
*/*

[remote granite]

I see you already cut two other cards

https://www.moxfield.com/decks/B8zzpDQtNkGBPXpSWrXH8w

Here’s my list for reference

[sand oracle]

Not a bad idea. I should look for creatures with that effect. I could return that easier with genesis rather than needing a genesis-witness loop.

[[Primal Order]] is another option. It was kinda slow, but it might be fine as a single backup option. Especially because the deck fluxes between 1 and 0 non-basic lands.

[rare escarp]

https://scryfall.com/card/me1/125/primal-order

Primal Order <:mana2:292901509060886528><:manag:292901508654301185><:manag:292901508654301185>

Enchantment
At the beginning of each player's upkeep, Primal Order deals damage to that player equal to the number of nonbasic lands they control.
"It's strange, but I can feel it when the land is corrupted. I understand why the Autumn Willow is so protective." —Daria

[sand oracle]

But funny enough, primal order is kinda countered by the card that inspired this search. If someone had Constant Mist, they can just sac all their non-basic lands if it means not dying. 😂