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Imp or Vortox? With Stormcaught King. Be wary, because if town is misled on the demon type, evil can pull all kinds of tricks on them, from confirming their demon as not-the-demon from a FT yes, to convincing a player the reason their info doesn't make sense is because they are the marionette.
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nightwatchman -> savant
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general isn’t amazing with vortox
besides that looks fun
the only problem i saw was NWM but you swapped it out
oh king with vortox isn’t super fun for the vortox but you can house rule that
oh just read the notes that’s intentional
not a huge fan of the hermit houserule though
i think two politicians is fine since only one of them can win with evil so it disincentives them from both playing for evil
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i think two politicians is fine since only one of them can win with evil so it d...
that assumes that they know there is another politician
I think Hermit Recluse + Plague Doctor is interesting because Recluse wants to die to avoid being a frame while PD wants to stay alive
This makes for some interesting strategy which all goes away if Politican is added
Having the possibility of two politicians incentivises politicians to play for good when they don't know if there is another
which is lame
also a hermit politician is an invisible source of recluse misreg and adds a minion ability through plague doctor in an untraceable way, which IMO is a bit unfair for good
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oh king with vortox isn’t super fun for the vortox but you can house rule that
if I house ruled it that Vortox learns the actual King, it would be a no-brainer to kill the king right away, it's not like the choirboy is going to get too much useful info if there is one
Vortox learning the wrong King means that the King can hide
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general isn’t amazing with vortox
General is honestly just here because I think it's funny
I hope it can be somewhat useful depending on how it's run. 3 star General is ideal here, because less possibilities works better with Vortox falsification.
if your General info is totally different from your perception of the gamestate, that suggests Vortox (or you're just fucked lmao)
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If your General info is radically different on a day a monk protected you, that also indicates Vortox
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if Baron adds a Hermit, it might only add that one Hermit, instead of the two outsiders it normally adds, which I think makes it balanced.
(remember Hermit doesn't contain Politician)
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<:choirboy:806681097357492265><:spy:586693972513259561> is cringe I think
this is fair. i was planning to just not put them in the bag together, but yeah its a bad interaction. that area could definetly use some improvement
I've considered Stormcaught King and no Choirboy, but that feels too strong
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for what?
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Hermit
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I'm pretty sure we are allowed to make up whatever rules we want regarding Hermit abilities
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For jinxes sure
But I think “the hermit doesn’t gain the politician ability” is a bootlegger
Not certain
But just having that be a thing unannounced is a little odd
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register the hermit as the demon and use the boffin jinx that the demon cannot have the politician ability (the hermit also registers as the boffin) /j
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But just having that be a thing unannounced is a little odd
perhaps
yeah i can add bootlegger
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<:choirboy:806681097357492265><:spy:586693972513259561> is cringe I think
at the very least, a choirboy that dies right away, followed by their king, can be pretty sure a Spy is in play
at least, that is what im going to tell myself to justify this because I can't think of a satisfying way to fix this issue
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Hermit
I could swap Hermit for Klutz
Hermit is negative outsider mod which is cool tho
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at the very least, a choirboy that dies right away, followed by their king, can ...
the spy has now outed spy and become the baron
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If your General info is radically different on a day a monk protected you, that ...
the problem is if you build imp worlds you usually get “good is winning” because you’re either building correct worlds where there’s no vortox and info can be mostly trusted, or because you’re completely wrong and the vortox’ed info is making you think you’re right. the info doesn’t really mean much
and if you argue that it changes based on who you execute i urge you to swap general with oracle
in fact i think that WOULD be a good swap
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the problem is if you build imp worlds you usually get “good is winning” because...
this is exactly why i think general is funny
but yeah, it's not very good
Oracle is interesting as a replacement, because in a Vortox game where the first player executed is good, they are going to learn a 1 right away
and then, if an evil player dies, then what? they have to either learn a 2 or a 0
oracle number going down can only mean vortox
and in a 10p or less game, you really can't have an oracle 2 unless a dead player is claiming recluse
So doesn't that mean Oracle can solve for Vortox?
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Ok I see Spy and Recluse, but recluse would claim. And spy/imp would have to have died by the 2nd night
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a n2 starpass here can do wonders for vortox worlds if there’s an oracle
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Ok I see Spy and Recluse, but recluse would claim. And spy/imp would have to hav...
not if the recluse also had the politician ability 😎
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i want the puzzle to be somewhat solveable 😭
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Anyways, what do you think about Stormcaught King?
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I just can hardly imagine King being a fun role to get in this current script, with choirboy having so many bad interactions
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remove choirboy obviously but i fw it
the problem is that maybe its too strong
can't a King basically solve the whole game?
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not w/vortox imo
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imagine
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King learns the role of an in-play role
if you are that role, you know FOR SURE it's not Vortox
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or the king is evil
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*with the caviat the king could be evil, as is always the case in this game
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right, but you execute the player the king is 'framing' as the demon, and if the game doesn't end, then you kill the king
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if good can’t use their combined abilities to solve vortox it’s not a great script
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right, but you execute the player the king is 'framing' as the demon, and if the...
there are really two main worlds, vortox or not.
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right, but you execute the player the king is 'framing' as the demon, and if the...
the king can’t inherently frame a player, also SW
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alright
what role should replace Choirboy
Im considering Sage, but Banshee is already here, is that too much bait?
Shugenja would be kinda funny but I fear it's mostly useless, especially with spy
Farmer might be a good choice
I can nerf the king if i really want to by turning them into a farmer
but yeah Farmer multiplying is a LOT of bait
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this script has a lot of TB roles. the minions are identical, minus poisoner, and the townsfolk have a lot shared. it's funny cuz i wasn't even doing it on purpose
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this script has a lot of TB roles. the minions are identical, minus poisoner, an...
I worry abt Hermit on this script being able to die and get free poli cred bc they give a minion ability silently
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I worry abt Hermit on this script being able to die and get free poli cred bc th...
I homerule that Hermit does not inherit the Politician ability
sorry i should have made that more clear
If its too hard to remember I could swap it for Klutz, but thats less exciting
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I homerule that Hermit does not inherit the Politician ability
I think that's not clear
I get what you're saying abt hermit script placement but idt it actually helps
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or should I swap it for Klutz
this one
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this one
Ahh but Baron is soo strong without Hermit
I like being able to compress Baron to only add one outsider instead of two
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Ahh but Baron is soo strong without Hermit
idts
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I like being able to compress Baron to only add one outsider instead of two
I think that makes Baron too strong
part of baron's downside is confirmation
if a baron is seen by an invest or ut then the evil team is on the backfoot
bc the good team knwos the outsiders and they are confirmed
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fathom pond
Anybody test this? looks interesting
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UPDATED VERSION. Added Drunk to give evil a little more bluff space
stormcaught king
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abstract egret
the PD quadjank jinx hurts to look at
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Lol
I'm trying to think, should I have a townsfolk that can solve for Vortox?
Such as artist
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“You learn one player who isn’t the king”
What do you mean?
Vortox King learns characters which are not alive and in play
Quite a powerful ability
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“You learn one player who isn’t the king”
Ooooooh. Yeah normally the Vortox learns the wrong king, but the King is Stormcaught, so the storm catcher tells the evil team the actual king
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oh yeah
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I could swap PD for Barber
On top of being a demon mover, Barber can be used to move the Drunk around (although it leaves a clue, in that the prior drunk learns they are a new character) or create a good marionette (functionally a drunk) which doesn't leave any clues (the marionette becomes an evil townsfolk)
Vortox can also barber swap a minion with the monk to have a functional poisoner on their side, at the cost that there is now a good minion.
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Baron -> Xaan, the Xaan poison doesn't do much in Vortox, but it helps open more worlds, and it can work the same way as Baron does
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Also considering Bounty Hunter -> Soldier. Soldier makes a good bluff for many of the townsfolk who don't want to die, and if they get confirmed, they get the very powerful payoff of a good player in f3
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Actually revert Xaan and Barber
Plague Doctor is necessary here, because it is another source of Misinfo that works in vortox
(PD Baron can make Drunks / Marionettes)
Xaan being arbitrary unsolveable O-mod in Vortox with Drunk seems really rough
I wonder how rough Damsel would be?
Hatter might be too brutal
Pit Hag would have a lot of interesting plays on this script actually.... hmmmm
its loudness doesn't match the rest tho
it might also counter the stormcaught king a little too well
engineer.... i wonder
does engineer always create marionette/baron?
or would it change the demon type
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Pit Hag would have a lot of interesting plays on this script actually.... hmmmm
NO
Same issue as hatter
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do I add Engi here
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might replace Savant with Dreamer
I always say I hate Dreamer because I think its too strong, but maybe its OK to have one busted townsfolk
I guess what im getting at is: Town right now is going to really struggle to tell Imp from Vortox
my concern with that is it makes evil bluffing difficult
do they clear their demon, only for people to end up building vortox and taking that to be an accusation of evil?
Dreamer can (softly) tell which is which
so i think I will include it?
hoping this script isn't too good sided
Plague Doctor is important because of PD Baron, it creates outsiders
Namely Drunk and Politician
this script is otherwise very lacking in droison, since most droison is useless in Vortox
so outsiders are the only source of Misinfo other that Vortox and Spy
Atheist looks so funny so I really want to include it
not sure how well it actually works in practice tho
is cringe I think