#update some travalers so they are more accepted

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pallid kernel
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traveelers liek bishop matron and voudon are nowleely fun bc they take away an core mechnic of botc some suggestions:

  • voudon: all living players gain an 'alive' vote which is basicaly the same as havign an deadvote when dead
  • bishop: all players can sitll nominate but the ST must nominate someone aswell
  • matron: whispers stay free to use NW's do chnage wiht new seating however.
weak jetty
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I don’t think the bishop makes sense, since the ST’s goal is to balance the game (and prevent meta) so all one team would vote fore their choice leading to good sided games likely.

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Also you take away a lot of matron’s power, the point is imo all discussion needs to be public.

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And finally with voudon I think it’s pretty fine as is, the point is the town has to executed some trusted players so they lose their abilities but get to vote

uneven snow
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how would the bishop rules work this confuses me greatly

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Isn’t the point of bishop to kind of be softing seam no

hidden slate
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I don't think these idea would work.

  • Original Bishop gives info of soft evil ping but limits town's agency, proposed version gives that agency back.
  • Matron just becomes goodsided as it only gives extra opportunities to whisper people (and potential Empath shenanigans)
  • Voudon is already pretty goodsided tbf, I this one just makes it a bit more.
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Beside that, I don't think we'll ever see base travellers changed, since they're already released.

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You can change stuff and run it, that'd be homebrew and would go in exp channel.

uneven snow
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yyyyeah i agree w proxi

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it just doesn’t work with the core concept of the characters, you’d have to totally rework them to ‘balance’ them in the ways you want i think

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and at that point its just a diff character

pallid kernel
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fair i ustthink the way how they are made is a bit unfun but i can totaly see balancing concerns here

hidden slate
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They are quite controversial.

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Like Matron doesn't work it text.

wintry zenith
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It kinda does? It means that people only get neighbor whispers.

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And those change depending on who you’re seated next to.

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Or are you talking about the proposed change?

rustic vessel
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hidden slate
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Async format make it somewhat challenging for people to not miss NWs in smaller timeframe.

rustic vessel
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what if those nws were async

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or is the concern just people with compeltely opposite time zones

hidden slate
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Maybe I overestimate Matron problems.

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I have barely seen any Matron games.

rustic vessel
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I think the large issue is *also that (in most games i've seen and from my pov), there's a very very big difference between active players and inactive players, so people sitting next to inactive players probably won't have a great time

uneven snow
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yeah i agree w linh

pallid atlas
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How does the voudon work currently on this format?

hidden slate
pallid atlas
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Matron*...

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Same role

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There is literally no difference between them

hidden slate
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From what I've seen Matron swaps seats half through day.

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Like 12h

pallid atlas
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Ok

pallid kernel
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but matoron really limtis whispers

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say ur an GM and want to chat wiht ur grnadhcild

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u cant

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minion in need of bluffs? u cant

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dreamer confirmign thier ping? u cant

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lib/ww/invest oncfimring thier pings? u cant

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someone being less active bc of sleep or work and you ask an question in nw and don tget an answe rin time

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u cant

hidden slate
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I agree on it not being great in text.

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Idk about other formats, haven't played in them.

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BMR travellers generally somewhat cursed.

red trail
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Really warping travellers just, might not warp things in a pleasing way and that's kinda fine, somethings just don't port to text

weary haven
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Currently I really like Bishop tbh

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It's very fun on BMR and that's all its supposed to do

cerulean cypress
# hidden slate I have barely seen any Matron games.

Most text STs don't allow it I think. I've only played matron once in travel along and it was modified to still allow normal whispers and I should do all the swaps per day all at once and tag all the necessary people + the ST and then the st posts the updated grim pic.

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I think it worked out fine?