I do not know trash
#Binary Supernovae (World Cup Finalist)
haughty tangle
or know where to find trash
usually in a bin
idle marten
Right here, its BSN
neon schooner
Her tag is trashwarlock, she's in this server
neon schooner
What does this mean
final anchor
Niceee congrats on the win
calm furnace
BSN is like SnV
cursive pebble
What does this mean
He's so right though
idle marten
I mean thinking about worlds after the idea for this script gave me a headache. So of course i had to inflict it on the world through GoD
calm furnace
BSN is like SnV
I will not elaborate <3
idle marten
Niceee congrats on the win
thanks so much!
high turretBOT
Gave +1 Thanks to @final anchor (current: #374 - 119)
neon schooner
I will not elaborate <3
Oh I was waiting for you to
Uhhh, no not really
Much closer to BMR
calm furnace
okay I'll elaborate a little
SnV and BSN are both quite unbalanced
I play both with this fact in mind
idle marten
You are so right. I should add a clockmaker
neon schooner
New BSN has a pretty balanced winrate
neon schooner
No 👀👀👀
neon schooner
Giv gim pic 🥺
calm furnace
didn't take it :/
calm furnace
Summoner
forget demon info entirely and have 3 out of 4 of my whispers be with evil players day 1 rerack
neon schooner
Noooo ok that's fine
calm furnace
I might be able to recreate the game 2 from memory
idle marten
Also, Clarke, in your infinite wisdom, what did you think of the bag pulled in the official stream from the contest? If you could have changed anything, what would it have been?
high turretBOT
@obsidian hull people are talking about you
idle marten
Sorry, local clarke, not mod clarke
high turretBOT
@obsidian hull people are talking about you
neon schooner
Great bag no notes
Thank you bra1n for the perfect roll that you definitely controlled 🙏
calm furnace
I was IK
calm furnace
game end
idle marten
that chef number must been wild
calm furnace
I was IK
The Fortune Teller outed evil, all good had was a philo-empath one on a dead player and a chef 3
idle marten
outed to i assume they meant
so was killed immediately
or was just trolling, you know how it is
neon schooner
(also this is why you ojo snipe the chef)
idle marten
n2?
calm furnace
Wdym outed evil
"hey yeah I'm evil and my demons are 8 and 10"
calm furnace
(also this is why you ojo snipe the chef)
they did
neon schooner
Oh nice
idle marten
ah right
neon schooner
"hey yeah I'm evil and my demons are 8 and 10"
Oh 😭
idle marten
i thought you were referring to trying to confuse a possible empath on the line
calm furnace
Oh 😭
it was an interesting play given I was the Red herring
but also was IK drunked by me and nobody believed him when he said they were good and actually the FT
idle marten
In my official Capacity as Hystrex, I would like to announce that Goblin and Boffin and Saint are now all official BSN characters!
Plan your games accordingly!
neon schooner
Goblin on old BSN is wild, the infoscape is so alignment based
It's not so bad on new BSN tho
Still oppressive
deep ermine
Evil twin was an earlier draft and has also been taken out. I'm am doing the best that I can to make changes that Requiem and only Requiem would approve of 🫡
calm furnace
I’m sorgy >_<
deep ermine
When I made this script originally I had no hopes that I would get even close to making top 16. The script that debuted was a product of that. I literally just filled it with the characters I thought would be funny with the Djinn.
I promise I am doing the best I can to fix the broken interactions. I hope I can make you proud 😂
gleaming hollow
april fools?
the script before the changes feels like a cross between extension cord and catfishing
deep ermine
No, April Fools was the other script that was linked
which is equally as bad 😂
Jokes aside. I'm manifesting BSN and BoS7 top 2 of group D
neon schooner
The dice were unkind to me 😔
bright wing
Custom rule goes hard with legion 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥
neon schooner
https://beardytas.com/garden-of-djinn/binary-supernovae/
young loom
WINNING
neon schooner
(if theres anything i should add/change tell me)
digital island
WHAT DO YOU MEAN ITS PRONOUNCED supernoVEE
neon schooner
i was surprised too
digital island
i dont care, im still pronouncing it the same 😉
digital island
YAY
neon schooner
i listened to like 5 different sources
all have vee but some have others as well
young loom
(if theres anything i should add/change tell me)
dub demons not learning each other the Luis rule (if hes okay with it @woeful vector)?
young loom
alternatively you COULD name it after me
calm furnace
it’s supernovae
young loom
if luis doesn't want to be credited for demons not learning each other i am happy to steal the credit
neon schooner
was it originally luis or sophia
neon schooner
i forgot about the half sentinel
luis im sorry what was up with that 😭 copypasta moment
young loom
final anchor
I pronounce it like “super nove eye” am I weird
ruby lodge
is it not supernova-ehh
neon schooner
I was talking with @mint garden and I think it's decided. I'm going to be swapping assassin for Beguiler, it just fits so well
mint garden
As evil seemed a bit too weak Beguiler feels like a massive upgrade, we considered demagogue but it felt redundant with the script concept
Imagine sending in your script changes and just saying
Assassin->Beguiler
And wait for the reaction
neon schooner
No demagogue is just dumb here 😭
mint garden
Yeah
neon schooner
Idk why you brought it up
mint garden
It doesn’t work with the amount of death modification at all
digital island
i think jester would be a much better fit
neon schooner
Jester isn't in botc
digital island
Jester isn't in botc
hang on, let me get an AI to say it is
neon schooner
mint garden
Beguiler is much better
mint garden
https://tenor.com/view/get-out-calebcity-luigi-getthehellout-get-the-fuck-out-gi...
Real
Live footage of Hystrex crashing out after me suggesting Demagogue on a death mod script
digital island
hang on, let me get an AI to say it is
smh it wont say it
neon schooner
Because jester isn't in botc
woeful vector
was it originally luis or sophia
It was me lol
woeful vector
luis im sorry what was up with that 😭 copypasta moment
It was for the bluffing come onnnnnnn 😭😭😭
woeful vector
dub demons not learning each other the Luis rule (if hes okay with it <@44962989...
Also I’d be honoured lmao
neon schooner
It was for the bluffing come onnnnnnn 😭😭😭
Godfather/xaan do it better 😭
neon schooner
Also I’d be honoured lmao
It is done
neon schooner
I've been thinking about TC a lot
Maybe it's fine
It adds a gimmick to the noms but you know what good needs more noms than normal so it does the witch thing in the other direction
calm furnace
I've been thinking about TC a lot
good needs to kill demons not minions
young loom
demon nominates with a minion, lives to f3 because they're "minion at worst" <3
calm furnace
demon nominates with a minion, lives to f3 because they're "minion at worst" <3
“what is f3”
neon schooner
good needs to kill demons not minions
It's more often an imp game than not, yes they need to kill minions
TC is useful info regardless
It limits worlds and that's a lot of what it needs to do
idle marten
i don't see TC here?
neon schooner
Yeah because Gary Cooper doesn't have a TC
haughty tangle
Gary Cooper is the exemplar of a Blood On The Clocktower Custom Script, the benchmark by which all scripts should be judged
ruby lodge
what's gary cooper
twilit sonnet
what's gary cooper
Zombuul maximization
ruby lodge
❓
tame ledge
what's gary cooper
A famous actor from the black and white film era
gleaming hollow
need legion
gleaming hollow
Town Crier Recluse is cringe
disagree
neon schooner
Town Crier Recluse is cringe
Less cringe than recloracle
calm furnace
Less cringe than recloracle
thing I don’t agree with
gleaming hollow
Less cringe than recloracle
disagree
neon schooner
Why not
gleaming hollow
both are based
calm furnace
“I cannot nominate because I would fuck over a townsfolk”
gleaming hollow
by that logic witch is cringe
neon schooner
“I cannot nominate because I would fuck over a townsfolk”
Now replace "nominate" with "die" 😭
neon schooner
Sweetheart speechbubble
But also that's the entire ability
Barber is fundamentally different
These are both SnV outsiders btw
calm furnace
These are both SnV outsiders btw
yes
gleaming hollow
Sweetheart speechbubble
calm furnace
Sweetheart speechbubble
the point is that outsiders dying to fuck over good is something that already exists
neon schooner
Oracle's main purpose here is to counter mastermind, if a recluse claim is dead then it's completely incapable of doing that
calm furnace
Oracle's main purpose here is to counter mastermind, if a recluse claim is dead ...
this is fair
gleaming hollow
but i mean yeah it is kinda just sweetheart+recluse on an oracle script
||hermit ||at home 😍
calm furnace
||hermit ||at home 😍
spoiler
I really don’t like the idea of losing agency to not fuck over other tf
chambermaid seems better and isn’t an actively bad experience for the recluse
ruby lodge
Oracle's main purpose here is to counter mastermind, if a recluse claim is dead ...
but TC doesn't counter mastermind
how do you counter mm now
young loom
you dont :)
neon schooner
I really don’t like the idea of losing agency to not fuck over other tf
You have less agency over your vote than your nom tho?
And you can just turn it off
neon schooner
but TC doesn't counter mastermind
It doesn't, but neither does chambermaid
calm furnace
It doesn't, but neither does chambermaid
so if you are swapping oracle because it doesn’t counter MM, with townsfolk that also don’t counter MM
then why is Oracle a problem on the script?
neon schooner
Oh because it feels horrible to pull the token
twilit sonnet
Wat
Hystrex people don’t like go “oracle feelsbad noooo”
people just go “aight” and then just play like a general
young loom
booooo
calm furnace
booooo
hey what the fuck happened to your pfp
also like my problem with BSN rn is “first two days CM, Empath, FT die and evil instantly wins”
young loom
aprils fool
calm furnace
aprils fool
it’s the 4th
neon schooner
Timezones
neon schooner
Close game!! Good had several opportunities to win and just barely missed all of them
We had a starpasstermind night
The pukka had zero mechanical effect the whole game 😭 that being said town would've had enough time to win if that wasn't the case
The mm was on the block d1 then they lifted onto the empath, then executed the TC, the pukka, then got 3 votes on the new imp after 2 good players dropped because they were nervous
fringe crescent
The pukka had zero mechanical effect the whole game 😭 that being said town woul...
deadliest demon in bad moon rising
neon schooner
The recluse nommed both days he was alive lol
neon schooner
deadliest demon in bad moon rising
He chose soldier exo (who was imp killed) butler, then died
It felt good!! This didn't quite happen but I realized there are cases where TC detects mastermind panic. Not nearly enough to rely on, but it's something
neon schooner
Chambermaid or Town Crier
Playtesting between those has been limited and I don't expect to get another in before submitting changes
Chambermaid:
- works
- not gimmicky
- basically just FT
Town Crier: - probably works
- gimmicky
- less volatile
- better waking pattern for math purposes
gleaming hollow
i think there’s enough waking modification on this script that CM works
although yes it’s very FT-like
ruby lodge
The mm was on the block d1 then they lifted onto the empath, then executed the T...
i thought 3 is enough
neon schooner
i thought 3 is enough
"basically just FT" or "less volatile"?
ruby lodge
?
idle marten
"basically just FT" or "less volatile"?
responding to the votes
neon schooner
bc executed the previous day + starpassing that night
What are you referring to lol
idle marten
i thought 3 is enough
3 was tie-able
neon schooner
Ohhhh
ruby lodge
but i thought tying on mm day is good win
idle marten
and then demon killed that night
neon schooner
No longer confused
Yeah there was no more mastermind ability
Because they were starpassed to
neon schooner
And there was no other reason for the game to end, so it didn't
neon schooner
The djinnlegger is an instant check not a constant check
ruby lodge
so if mm leaves it should also proc
neon schooner
cuz you rule it so when mm day is tied the good wincon gets proc
Sure but there was no mm day
You can rule it either way
But this is the most logical ruling to me
neon schooner
You can rule it either way
Just be clear w your players
I actually happened to outline that specific scenario before the game started so it's not like I was gonna run it another way
ruby lodge
so if i kill the mm after another demon is executed it also works
neon schooner
If you kill the mm good wins because of the mm ability
ruby lodge
i mean demon killing the mm
idle marten
yeah or poisoning them
neon schooner
Oh, yeah
neon schooner
Oh hey math and CM synergize on info scripts bc the math has a bit of a better idea on where to look for where it's getting its numbers from
Nothing huge but it's there
neon schooner
Honestly? I could see myself swapping gambler for whichever of CM/TC I don't add this time around
Gambler doesn't really like summoner
And the only hard misinfo for it is recluse innk and philo 😭
Well. Depends how you count things actually
Either way that's a thing I'm looking at now
Why does summoner go after gambler 😭
neon schooner
Man why can't oracle just be "each night* learn how many evil players died since dawn"
(I know why, it's because it's on SnV)
young loom
Why does summoner go after gambler 😭
wouldn't be summoner if it didn't junk info
regamble your previous targets :)
idle marten
regamble your previous targets :)
just don't gamble others until there are night deaths
then you can start hunting people down
neon schooner
regamble your previous targets :)
You know
I guess that soft confirms them as a demon
idle marten
Or a recluse
young loom
so a demon
neon schooner
Or a recluse
Shhh
neon schooner
Barring the text game (which, idk and if I do I'm not sharing), I don't think anyone's bluffed recluse on this script yet lol
But that's because I keep putting it in the bag
neon schooner
Submitted with chambermaid
prime dagger
Submitted with chambermaid
Current version?
neon schooner
This one
prime dagger
Cool
calm furnace
I think that good needs 4 ongoing info roles at least
neon schooner
Good thing that's what I gave them
There's also gambler if you feel like counting it
prime dagger
I'll share my other thoughts once the longtext is over, but it is a fun script to play.
calm furnace
I'm not counting Math or Gambler
calm furnace
Wait why not math 😭
Mathematican doesn't find evils
neon schooner
Yeah because it confirms half the town instead
calm furnace
Mathematican can't do anything when the Chambermaid, Fortune Teller and Empath die in the first two nights
neon schooner
Yes it can what 😭
calm furnace
I don't agree :3
young loom
Mathematican can't do anything when the Chambermaid, Fortune Teller and Empath d...
Have you ever played lunar eclipse
calm furnace
Have you ever played lunar eclipse
no :3
young loom
Math absolutely slaps with protective roles
because you just confirm all of them
you get a 4 and you instaconfirm the fool IK and soldier
(and the recluse who got golem punched and lived earlier that day)
regal crystal
Ran a game of the script today.
I used the "Stable" version from Beardys web page.
I had 13 players:
- Demon: Imp
- Minions: Assassin, Summoner, Mastermind
- Townsfolk: Chef, Mathematician, Fortune Teller, Oracle, Innkeeper, Exorcist, Seamstress, Philosopher, Fool
Bluffs I gave were:
- Soldier, Empath, Moonchild to the Imp
- Soldier, Gambler, Butler to the Summoner
Notable Things that happened:
- Philo chose to become Magician
- Night two the Fool was Innkeeper protected, summoned as a Pukka and Assassinated (cause of the only math 1 the entire game)
- final night the Imp bluffing Empath passed to the remaining living minion - the Mastermind sitting next to them.
Final 3 were Mastermind Imp, Mathematician and Philo Magician. The Mathematician got majority of the votes.
Evil won.
I'd say goods downfall was mostly overspending dead votes on executing the assassin on "final 7", but that last star pass certainly swayed some people to trust the new Imp.
The Philo Magician had the exact world but not enough votes left to push for it.
ruby lodge
The summoned demon got killed immediately yet won
neon schooner
Woahh nice :D
Sounds like a fun game
Innk protected pukka fool getting assassin stabbed immediately is so funny to me
regal crystal
Oracle got a 1 on that night and thought the entire time the executed Seamstress was the reason, because "the Summoner and the Assassin would just talk to each other and never do this".
But hey, it essentially meant the evil team had a dead guy who could collect all the info because people trusted him.
fringe crescent
Pukka confirmed more useful to evil dead than alive
neon schooner
neon schooner
https://botcscripts.com/script/6457 https://beardytas.com/garden-of-djinn/binary...
Websites are updated!!
Here is the current version of the script!!
neon schooner
Here is the current version of the script!!
young loom
Websites are updated!!
send the paragraph you had to give TPI for why you made the changes?
neon schooner
It's on the website
Though actually
Out: Xaan, Sweetheart, Shugenja, Grandmother, Oracle
In: Godfather, Recluse, Golem, Mathematician, Fool, Chambermaid
Xaan -> Godfather: on a script that moves roughly twice as fast, xaan is roughly twice as powerful. It was too powerful in practice, it had to go. Godfather meshes nicely with the outsider suite, especially after the changes.
Sweetheart -> Recluse: recluse provides some much needed night 1 misinfo, and you can't summon a permanently drunk player anymore
+Golem: Golem probably should've been here from the beginning. It's a powerful bluff, it fails often enough to not be too confirmy, and the extra death is very impactful on a fast script.
Shugenja & Grandmother -> Mathematician & Fool: Neither of these characters fit particularly well with philosopher, and while Grandmother was interesting, it doesn't bring enough to the script compared to others. I wanted more decelerants and ongoing info, and both of these find a unique balance point on this script. Fool can confirm itself, but the summoner can negate that. Fool also counters Godfather in a way that Soldier can't. Mathematician can narrow worlds nicely, help solve the fool's own life status, and even figure out if it's a mastermind night.
Oracle -> Chambermaid: as much as I love oracle here, the interaction with recluse renders it a little too useless. It can no longer detect mastermind, and neither character has the agency to combat the interaction. Chambermaid has an interesting tangle of waking patterns to sift through, and felt like the best fit for the script overall.
young loom
oooo
lone marten
Chambermaid Binary Supernovae!!
prime dagger
Assuming it got through to r2?
neon schooner
Assuming it got through to r2?
The tournament isn't in the elimination stage yet
Each script gets 3 matches guaranteed
prime dagger
Oh right
neon schooner
1 for each other script in its group
prime dagger
That's cool
neon schooner
then half of them are eliminated, and the top 8 go to a single elim seeded bracket
desert notch
not on my laptop rn, when's the next BSN matchup?
pure dagger
17th
twilit sonnet
Yeah I hope so
well considering how unliked the warrens is
you will likely get a lot of points
Gerrymandered in our favor let's go
also rip the Djinns bargain
neon schooner
The warrens no longer has legion so we'll see
neon schooner
also rip the Djinns bargain
Hey it's not over yet!!
twilit sonnet
The warrens no longer has legion so we'll see
I'mma be honest
app doesn't seem to hate legion
the game I ran just had the hate directed toward Nodashii
twilit sonnet
I love dashii there
I ran a playtest game
uh....
ouf
look considering the demon can move
it felt like poisoner on steroids
neon schooner
Right but that's what dashii is made for
Maybe warrens pushes it too far but that's very much within the realm of what dashii always does
twilit sonnet
Yeah warrens was in the "pushes it too far"
I really liked the legion dynamic, sucks he removed it
neon schooner
Funny :3
neon schooner
Mhm extremely
twilit sonnet
I do think that's going to be the downfall this time around
also widow is loud poisoner(which is funny)
neon schooner
Widow doesn't send out a new ping
neon schooner
That one's actually a bigger concern yeah
neon schooner
It's an evil sided djinnlegger
twilit sonnet
choice...
neon schooner
None of them are perfect and that's ok
twilit sonnet
he removed legion, cardinal sin
neon schooner
If you wanna talk about it more there's a dedicated thread #1357029697896316948
calm furnace
Widow doesn't send out a new ping
WAIT WHAT
twilit sonnet
a good player doesn't know a widow is still in play
digital island
thats not how knowing things works
twilit sonnet
I know
digital island
once a player knows something, they cant unknow it
twilit sonnet
once a player knows something, they cant unknow it
you underestimate MIB's existence in the modern age
I saw some homebrew with mindwiping
calm furnace
a good player already knows a widow is in play
a new instance of the ability now exists
twilit sonnet
on reddit, no less
calm furnace
On their first night, wake the Widow and show them the Grimoire for as long as they need. The Widow points to a character token in the Grimoire, or a player. Mark that player with a POISONED reminder. Put the Widow to sleep. Wake any good player. Show them the Widow character token. Put that good player to sleep.
If the Widow dies or changes character, their poison ends. Likewise, their poison vanishes while the Widow is poisoned/drunk. When a Widow poisons a player, night 1 has already begun, so it does not prevent any [setup] abilities from taking effect.
If a Widow is created mid-game, execute the first paragraph of the how to run just like you would if they were in play on night 1 – it’s the Widow’s first night that matters for their ability, not how many nights into the whole game you are.
eh
this implies that it is a new thing
digital island
this is a defined interaction
its the same reason why minions dont relearn a damsel is in play
calm furnace
this is a defined interaction
source? /gen
calm furnace
oh that's fucked up
azure flume
also rip the Djinns bargain
down but not yet out!
weak ermine
I really dislike godfather on this script
the absolute last thing evil needs are more kills on a 2kpn script
oracle was core imo, MM is far too oppressive here without it, I don't like it's removal
calm furnace
the problem there is Assassin no?
calm furnace
so that every single 2 death is "ooh what if it was demon + assassin this night" "what about this night" "what about this night"
weak ermine
I think the overall minion selection here is just not great
calm furnace
the absolute last thing evil needs are more kills on a 2kpn script
partially also this gets into the fact that between Godfather and Ojo it's not possible to execute people on this script
either you allow ppl to say "there are two evil pings" which causes the godfather to kill the town as they nominate outsiders
weak ermine
like, I loved this script to run like, twice, irl where the games are super quick
calm furnace
or you force ppl to say "there's an ft yes and an empath 1" which causes the Ojo to kill the town and force them into werewolf
calm furnace
no, I think that Gambler, Seam and Chef should more ongoing info myself
weak ermine
my local group basically has a script like BSN but better which is a solo shab script where the shab doesn't regurgitate unless the game would otherwise end
a lot of the roles are the same!
chef is on script, ik is on script, and the rest are basically just info roles
even gambler is on it
why is there no sage/rk/banshee on the script with 2kpn?
idk
I love this script but it needs to be pretty heavily reworked to be actually good, and the changes you've made so far since it's release have gone in the wrong direction
BSN is like that script, except the evil team is significantly stronger and town is weaker.
calm furnace
BSN is like that script, except the evil team is significantly stronger and town...
this happens when you give evil 2 of the most powerful character in the game
weak ermine
a reason for it too is that BSN demons have abilities
the script we play, the demon's ability is "2kpn"
no starpass or pukka to worry about
to ojo double kill
it's not my place to say what the script is
(@gritty quail I'm talking about your special menu if you'd like an input)
but I think it does BSN better than BSN does BSN
digital island
i really dont think the script you're talking about captures the theme of BSN at all
BSN's theme isnt "lots of death" BSN's theme is "two demons"
weak ermine
so you don't know what the script I'm talking about is
but what are the implications of there being two demons?
2kpn, plus evil are vulnerable
having played like, 5 games of bsn and a lot of special menu, they feel very similar
except bsn just doesn't work a lot of the time, especially so with the changes made since releasing
special menu isn't "lots of death" - it's 2kpn, plus gambler, with IK and soldier as protection. it actually results in less death than current BSN with assassin and gf
digital island
so you don't know what the script I'm talking about is
then can you post it
because i feel like these two just arent comparable
weak ermine
no, it's not my script
digital island
and also the things you're pointing out arent necessarily bad, they're just differences
digital island
no, it's not my script
so?
digital island
then why does good win this script ever?
weak ermine
because sometimes good wins unbalanced scripts???
digital island
i think you're overstating how unbalanced it is
weak ermine
this script devolves into werewolf, and just randomly hitting people when there are two demons means good likely wins
but that's not BotC
digital island
this script devolves into werewolf, and just randomly hitting people when there ...
okay, this is completely different than every other person i've heard who plays this script
weak ermine
have you heard anyone else play this script????
like,,,,,
have you played it yourself???
digital island
yes! people talk about it all the time in this channel
i personally havent, but i've spectated several
weak ermine
mhm so you've never played BSN, you've never played the script I'm comparing it to, and you've decided you want an input
sure buddy
digital island
yes i do! because i think you're misrepresenting BSN
its perfectly fine if you dont want to accept my input, but im going to give it regardless
lone marten
Fool/Soldier at least from what Hystrex has shown from the games seems to do well
Because evil can't kill it easily
I haven't played this script myself though, I'm going off the games which Hystrex has shown
weak ermine
I'd remove one of them
lone marten
Would you want Oracle back on?
I do think when reading you though tone is kinda important
weak ermine
mb I wrote this coming right out of participating in a really frustrating text game 😭
I mean I stand by everything I said I just said it in a mean way 😭
lone marten
From my point of view, it sounds like 'hey I don't like things about this script. My group plays a script which is this but better! doesn't give info about it except it's a solo shabaloth script. and then when people say "that sounds different", you say 'you don't know the script I'm talking about'
Like??
Feedback is nice
But can you see how when you put it in this way you are less likely to be taken seriously
weak ermine
From my point of view, it sounds like 'hey I don't like things about this script...
I can't give info about it because it isn't my script to share
lone marten
mb I wrote this coming right out of participating in a really frustrating text g...
That is good context and that now makes sense
weak ermine
and I don't believe it's public
lone marten
But then it's not that useful as feedback?
weak ermine
I'm giving my feedback now? that's just like,,, the grounds on why I'm doing so
lone marten
To be very fair
What you have done is base feedback off that other script
Which sounds like the most reasonable thing to do given your restraints
weak ermine
if the person who made the script wants to share it here, it'd be a lot easier 😭
but I totally get why they might not, and in that case I can only vaguepost about jt
like to summarise
- I think oracle is core with MM on script
- GF is way too punishing, extra deaths are worse here than normal
- fool and soldier are a bit redundant I think? and mean there's less info. id only want one to be on script, not both
- assassin is very mean but understandable tbh.
- this script moves too fast for philo, there isn't much it can do that's valuable with the lack of YSKs
- probably needs rk/sage/banshee
twilit sonnet
have you heard anyone else play this script????
Me?
weak ermine
that question was rhetorical fyi
twilit sonnet
Ok the bait roles
Are only good because of mathmetician
But also
You can still…. Kill either demon to win
weak ermine
(and there's an extra evil, and evil gets 2kpn)
twilit sonnet
Extra evil with the saint ability
weak ermine
like the fact is that if all decisions are made randomly, BSN is horribly good sided. but they arent
lone marten
The issue with oracle, or at least the reason its come off, is because recluse dying seems very damaging to it.
weak ermine
The issue with oracle, or at least the reason its come off, is because recluse d...
I don't like recluse here either 😭
lone marten
The reason why recluse has come on is because there was a lack of N1 misinformation
weak ermine
id prefer a drunk
lone marten
The reason why drunk wasn't considered is that it makes the script quite evil sided
And with the 6 changes rule, probably would take off a godfather for it
Which I also know you don't like
weak ermine
the script is already incredibly evil sided
lone marten
It's still useful to get context for why changes were made
desert notch
let's await a response from the script maker himself I guess?
weak ermine
really I think BotC has an outsider problem, there are very few outsiders and most of them aren't fun to play as
yea hystrex is in the text game I've been in
pretty sure he already knows my sentiment on balance aha but hopefully the writeup i did will be a bit helpful
twilit sonnet
Here is the current version of the script!!
weak ermine
like to summarise
- I think oracle is core with MM on script
- GF is way too pun...
@neon schooner
twilit sonnet
Wait Hystrex when did you have 5 outsiders
calm furnace
I think that
- Godfather makes outsider claims virtually impossible to execute
- Ojo and Godfather make a combo that makes it very hard to figure out how to execute people
- Assassin Mastermind is an oppressive combo that makes every night an MM night
- Chambermaid, Empath and Fortune Teller as the evil finders is too rough (current text game is playing werewolf with all three alive) we need more
weak ermine
probably a xaan holdover
calm furnace
probably a xaan holdover
it’s not
weak ermine
it's not???
calm furnace
Xaan version had 4 outsiders
weak ermine
ooo
calm furnace
Math is a confirmation role
I have played this script irl many times
I have never seen Math work on the levels of FT, CM or Empath
twilit sonnet
I have seen math work on the level of ft cm or Empath
I’ve played this script multiple times as well
Math singlehandedly solved the game
gritty quail
I haven't followed the thread, but this is the script @weak ermine is referring to. TLDR it's Shab gets 2 kills every night, and town is getting correspondingly powerful info. The difference with BSN is that there's only one person evil has to keep alive, although my opinion is generally:
Special Menu and BSN play quite differently, they're trying to achieve different things, but personally I prefer what SM does
-# SM was originally written for 13-17 player games, which is what it does particularly well
gritty quail
IMO the vibes of BSN seem much closer to "pick which of the 2 starting demons you want to run with", so it's better for games at standard player counts than SM, but at standard player counts there's plenty of other great scripts. We usually pull out SM whenever we are at 15ish players and not convinced there's time to set up 2 games and split the group
twilit sonnet
A lot of the games of BSN
Do find 1 demon
Unless evil night kills
Themselves(please do this evil)
weak ermine
Themselves(please do this evil)
yet another reason who oracle is so core imo
calm furnace
Themselves(please do this evil)
this isn't a good idea
evil just playing clocktower and letting 2 good players die each night wins evil consistantly
all of the math of BSN is stacked against good
weak ermine
this isn't a good idea
it usually is i find, but only later in the game
calm furnace
you don't need to do anything
on 12 there are 4 evils
after 2 good executions (likely) there are 6 players 4 of which are evil
weak ermine
but if there are 2 demons in f3, the math is that good wind 66% of the time
gritty quail
Evil either plays fast for domination, all evils alive refuse to nominate, or evil plays slow by picking which demon is more trusted / has the more useful ability
calm furnace
but if there are 2 demons in f3, the math is that good wind 66% of the time
you shouldn’t ever need to get to f3
twilit sonnet
this isn't a good idea
I do wonder why Flowergirl isn’t here
twilit sonnet
Most people don’t like recluse here
calm furnace
Most people don’t like recluse here
true but also it’s infinitesimally more bullshit to find 2 demosn with FG than one
twilit sonnet
Literally SNV
calm furnace
if FG was “Each night*, learn how many demons voted today” it would be better
calm furnace
Literally SNV
not really tho?
calm furnace
at all times you are finding one demon
lone marten
the issue is having two living demons
calm furnace
exactly
twilit sonnet
Also, there’s no droison here(that’s fine)
lone marten
You need half of players to vote to get anyone on the block
With 2 demons, it's pretty likely that 1 half has at least 1 demon in it
lone marten
It's great if it gets a 'no'
I don't think it ever gets a no though
And the strategy like
lone marten
Having only part of a 'yes' half vote to narrow down which part is a Demon
Doesn't work when you have 2 Demons
twilit sonnet
Again, I’m not suggesting halfsies
Actually hold on
VI
For gambler
Or dreamer
lone marten
idk
young loom
The issue with oracle, or at least the reason its come off, is because recluse d...
it's not just damaging, it utterly junks info
with a dead recluse claim the oracle just can't detect mastermind
prime dagger
Storm-caught Recluse 🔥
young loom
like to summarise
- I think oracle is core with MM on script
- GF is way too pun...
person who has also played this script a ton
- agreed w oracle
- gf is punishing but xaan is worse 💀 and you need something for O-mod, lesser of two evils imo
- agreed i think; i'd rather keep soldier. town doesn't have time to execute a fool after d3 in most games
- i mean philo empath is insane here as is magician n1 or chef n3 but ig that tracks? philo doesn't really have a lot a lot of choice, nobody's philoing exorcist or fool
- i remember talking w hystrex about bait roles here and they're kinda weird? sage/banshee get kinda fucked by having all of pukka/gf/assassin onscript and rk is way swingier than it otherwise would be because there are two immobile demons to hit instead of 1
from what i understand recluse was added to provide more reason for n1 misinfo that worked w summoner (because puzzlemaster doesn't work with it) to temper chef/empath/ft
weak ermine
have you considered imp --> fg and gf --> widow/poisoner
weak ermine
there's already an extra evil
lone marten
Poisoner is insane on this script
weak ermine
maybe id be ok with drunk and no O-mod
young loom
a grimpeeker on this script feels off vibe and widow feels weirdly loud esp in 1-minion
lone marten
I mean Drunk with no O-mod is the closest thing you can get if you don't have Godfatehr
young loom
tbh solo drunk kinda eats, who needs positive outsider mod 🗣️ 🔥 🔥
lone marten
I wonder if that's the solution, if you don't want Godfather here
Yes, no outsider mod, but drunk is some outsider mod, and if evil is still favoured here, you might need something
neon schooner
assassin too is a character I'm not a fan of
I haven't heard this one before 👀
neon schooner
I think the overall minion selection here is just not great
What would you replace it with? (If you've answered that then uhh I'm still backreading)
neon schooner
also why are there 3 protection roles?
The design philosophy is that it's a bunch of ongoing info and a bunch of protection because those are very synergistic
twilit sonnet
I do genuinely think Gambler and Seamstress are definitely too weak
neon schooner
Also there's 4, counting exo
neon schooner
soldier/fool should be info roles
I will say that soldier in particular is decently often the one character holding the line for the good team
twilit sonnet
I’d honestly say Balloonist as ongoing Seamstress works
lone marten
I think Soldier should stay from what you've been saying of it
Fool is like Soldier just... less
prime dagger
Innkeeper -> Monk??
lone marten
Again, I've not played this myself
neon schooner
like to summarise
- I think oracle is core with MM on script
- GF is way too pun...
- I miss it too but if recluse stays then oracle fully can't do the mm thing
- what on earth are you gonna replace it with
- but fool is a silly little guy here 😔 it's also a counter to gf
- curious to know what you'd want instead
- ?? Can you elaborate
- I mean I can test with banshee but she ain't proccing
lone marten
Innkeeper -> Monk??
Pukka
twilit sonnet
Innkeeper works better here imo
lone marten
I think having a protection character that really screws over one demon specifically for the sake of 'balance' is bad
neon schooner
let's await a response from the script maker himself I guess?
(ppl can info dump here and I'll get to it eventually it's chill)
twilit sonnet
Hystrex how do you feel about lycan?
neon schooner
yea hystrex is in the text game I've been in
Yeah that game is such a slog 😭 I'm not known to like longtext tho, nor am I known to design for it in the slightest
lone marten
I think though I am at least gonna suggest -Godfather +Drunk
As a potential way to put soft outsider mod in
Yes no positive outsider mod exists then, but on a script which might go at some speed
Maybe that's OK?
It only is there as a suggestion if no other Outsider mod works
neon schooner
Wait Hystrex when did you have 5 outsiders
Didn't wanna remove any when adding golem so it's 5 rn
lone marten
But Drunk allows you to take Recluse off and put Oracle on
Alternatively
Toymaker 
though toymaker is strong w mastermind
twilit sonnet
Didn't wanna remove any when adding golem so it's 5 rn
then remove recluse
lone marten
And replace it with?
neon schooner
I think that
- Godfather makes outsider claims virtually impossible to execute
...
- I don't mind this?? They're sac outsiders anyway, I get that that means less here but I think gf-1 is really really really good here and I like that
- gonna be honest I've never seen this being a problem outside the longtext game
- just kill evil players :sotrue: (you have the info for it)
- ok so what do you want to add
lone marten
He didn't like Recluse.
neon schooner
tinker does that too
...I could see myself cutting tinker yeah
lone marten
That's fair
neon schooner
I haven't followed the thread, but this is the script <@260029176801787904> is r...
Yeah this is cool and all but... totally different??
twilit sonnet
It’s not really a good idea to compare this to solo shab, I’m going to be honest.
neon schooner
At least, not often
Yeah I'm prob gonna change the recommendation to "just never do it actually"
twilit sonnet
Yeah I'm prob gonna change the recommendation to "just never do it actually"
I did it once
But only when it wouldn’t like
Actually affect the game besides that math
But yeah ojo isn’t deathmod
lone marten
It kinda feels like it should be
twilit sonnet
Here
lone marten
On a script like this
twilit sonnet
It kinda feels like it _should be_
In practice, it shouldn’t be
lone marten
The only reason it isn't deathmod is
"Oh god evil are borked how do we balance this"
If good could deal with it, then it can be
But they can't
lone marten
If by some miracle good find a way to consistently do well against double the demons and +1 evil
twilit sonnet
It’s not impossible
lone marten
no it isn't
twilit sonnet
It’s doable
lone marten
Ye
twilit sonnet
It’s more like 43/57
lone marten
Imagine the alternate reality where the Demon replaced a Minion
neon schooner
I do genuinely think Gambler and Seamstress are definitely too weak
Seam is strong, gambler is fair yeah
lone marten
Instead of +1 Demon
twilit sonnet
Seam is strong, gambler is fair yeah
Gambler and fool
I do think Flowergirl would be interesting
If like
There wasn’t a recluse
lone marten
I really don't know what Flowergirl acheives
Your deductions off flowergirl info become much weaker
young loom
EN* learn yes
neon schooner
Innkeeper -> Monk??
Innk does it much better here. It protects more, coexists with pukka better, and allows evil to throw doubt into info
And having both is just oppressive
twilit sonnet
Minstrel.
lone marten
😭
neon schooner
Hystrex how do you feel about lycan?
So this is a joke right
twilit sonnet
So this is a joke right
No
twilit sonnet
It’s confirmable
neon schooner
I did it once
Yeah to hide mm via my math number 😭
twilit sonnet
Well exactly
lone marten
What would be the most obscenely strong Minion here in theory
Of all of them
My bet is on Evil Twin
neon schooner
Imagine the alternate reality where the Demon replaced a Minion
I imagine it to but unfortunately I can't stay there for too long
lone marten
Something to experiment with post world cup
twilit sonnet
What would be the most obscenely strong Minion here in theory
Mez
neon schooner
My bet is on Evil Twin
Too loud but I mean you still might be right lol
neon schooner
Lycan and minstrel are immediately out because they're twice as powerful and a bit too confirmable
twilit sonnet
Ok assuming self noms do not exist
neon schooner
Did you think that was the problem 😭
young loom
What would be the most obscenely strong Minion here in theory
Organ Grinder and it's not even close
young loom
extra evil + bloc voting
lone marten
But Evil Twin is funnier
And getting around the only extra wincon good has
And sinking an exe into a Minion
I think it is close
floral arch
You're cooking something
lone marten
ye good can't win while both idiots are alive
prime dagger
Organ Grinder and it's not even close
+Vortox +Fearmonger
Evil needs the help on this script
lone marten
actually now imagine taking away assassin and godfather and replacing it with Evil Twin and Vizier
neon schooner
Vizier has unironically been suggested bc it's 1 less evil for good to find 😭
lone marten
honestly though if good are finding the extra death mod from Godfather+Assassin too much
While I get why they are on script
Replacing one of them might be cool
neon schooner
With what
young loom
Return of Xaan seems too oppressive; i kinda fw drunk as solo o-mod
prime dagger
How would you make the most evil sided script possible without the use of extra evils? 🤔
neon schooner
Thinking about drunk as solo OM
It feels bad to lock evil out of mc/golem/butler bluffs in a third of all games
(and recluse but that may or may not leave)
((tinker is... yeah whatever lol))
Like those are really important parts of the script
lone marten
My thought is at least in a 2 Outsider game, a third Outsider claim by a Minion or even demon is a noble ping
Do good have enough time to go into this Noble ping
neon schooner
Right but I'm talking about 0 outsider games
lone marten
sure
neon schooner
In 2 outsider games I agree that's generally fine
lone marten
That is hugely important
neon schooner
Now that I think about it
Recluse/gf in particular is prob oppressive here
Tbh I could just revert back to monke and have pukka as the "only" misinfo
neon schooner
Recluse/gf in particular is prob oppressive here
You can't "just only execute them if they're evil"
It's indistinguishable
lone marten
just execute their teammates easy
neon schooner
So true
lone marten
but ye perhaps needs thought
neon schooner
I'm not too worried for the stream bc I feel like the TPI stream team will turn that into content
lone marten
Yea of course
neon schooner
But I care more about script quality than stream moments
lone marten
TPI stream can turn anything into content
neon schooner
True
lone marten
This one is a tough rule to crack
Obviously the solution is Shabaloth who resses each night
fringe crescent
This but -- is executed and dies
neon schooner
No vati that would be harpy madness not cere/mutant
fringe crescent
No I'm being executed by town for being evil
neon schooner
Spy virgin proc
young loom
Right but I'm talking about 0 outsider games
you're so real for that
lone marten
So when will we have the EN* Regurgitate shabaloth version of the script?
neon schooner
When you make it :3
lone marten
dam
calm furnace
- I don't mind this?? They're sac outsiders anyway, I get that that means less h...
- the problem is evils can freely claim outsider because it’s too risky to execute them
- I think thid is a more insidious problem that exists but is hard to see in practice that causes evil to be as powerful as it is
- eh I think while that might hold true for this specific longtext game where all 3 ongoing info role still exist, most of my evil games of BSN end up dispatching every single info role in the first three nights then watching town be forced to constantly double guess themself over and over again as they have virtually no info
- Dreamer, General, and maybe Undertaker and Village Idiot
neon schooner
- the problem is evils can freely claim outsider because it’s too risky to execu...
Aren't you one of the people who pushed hard against UT for bluffability reasons
lone marten
:P
calm furnace
Aren't you one of the people who pushed hard against UT for bluffability reasons
then I realized how evil sided this script is
like yes it is unbluffable, good kinda needs that tho
idle marten
Just replace fool and have UT take up the confirm spot
neon schooner
like yes it is unbluffable, good kinda needs that tho
Would imply fool -> UT bc I'm not about to have both
But like
UT oracle? Really?
At that point I go cannibal oracle
Which
No
lone marten
If you have ut you don't need Oracle
calm furnace
UT oracle? Really?
Oracle with UT is unnesv
tbh the problem is that Ojo just always says UT
twilit sonnet
Maybe with gambler -> chambermaid
plz do this
neon schooner
I just don't want to take the social aspect out of it
There's so little misinfo in that version
twilit sonnet
Pukka is pretty damaging
neon schooner
But since then it's been shown that evil can create their own artificial misinfo, or pull off some shenanigans to hide pukka poison
young loom
I already miss oracle 😭
neon schooner
😭
Wait a sec
There's a chance it's not too late
I'll just ask ben
Ok asked
Too late 😔
(quick response time!!)
Ok so v3 is likely a return to monke but with gambler -> cm
I'm a little worried that makes assassin less interesting? But eh
Meh, stab the pukka for a night of untraceable poison
It's fine
Wait no that doesn't work nvm
Night order
Uhhh cover up the imp doing that then
calm furnace
- I don't mind this?? They're sac outsiders anyway, I get that that means less h...
I don't mind this?? They're sac outsiders anyway, I get that that means less here but I think gf-1 is really really really good here and I like that
||tbc gf-1 made it virtually impossible to execute two evils||
neon schooner
I think that's more a recluse thing than a godfather thing
calm furnace
I think that's more a recluse thing than a godfather thing
idts tbh
||godfather was the thing that made it so that "if we are wrong abt dylan we lose on the spot"||
neon schooner
Sure but good can figure out whether non-recluse outsiders are evil
twilit sonnet
Please Hystrex delete the recluse
calm furnace
Sure but good can figure out whether non-recluse outsiders are evil
thing that good didn't do:
twilit sonnet
We’re begging you
neon schooner
Please Hystrex delete the recluse
I'm returning to monke ok
twilit sonnet
Good
neon schooner
Evil is just gonna have to play hard if they want to throw doubt on info
Which is fine I think, the script already asks one team to play hard so why not the other
twilit sonnet
Honestly
lone marten
Binary Supernovae - Dawn of the Sentinel
twilit sonnet
Add fibbin.
lone marten
Add fibbin.
NO
twilit sonnet
Remove recluse
cursive pebble
Add all the fabled at once
twilit sonnet
Now it’s fibbin+Pukka
neon schooner
Add all the fabled at once
Wait that would be so funny
cursive pebble
Add all the fabled at once
Return to your roots
lone marten
Doomsayer Binary Supernovae
neon schooner
Add fibbin.
I thought the goal was to NOT make it too social
twilit sonnet
I thought the goal was to NOT make it too social
Fibbin is really weak
calm furnace
Evil is just gonna have to play hard if they want to throw doubt on info
this kinda isn't true
like killing someone is the exact way to throw doubt on info
neon schooner
Right but if that's everything then info from d1 is hard confirmed true or evil
That's not everything though
calm furnace
not really
because there are 2 kills every night
and you have no way of knowing which is pukka poisoned
neon schooner
Sure but you know a lot of players who weren't pukka poisoned
I do really like the dynamic of pukka + misinfo here bc it's still never the case that your info is probably poisoned
twilit sonnet
Pukka being the only misinfo is fine tbh
floral arch
It is interesting dynamic.
twilit sonnet
Yeah no I do think gambler/Fool are wayyyyy too weak
I’m going to suggest Mayor for fool.
You may now laugh
floral arch
Does this script ever make it to F3?
twilit sonnet
Does this script ever make it to F3?
I mean
F5 —> F3
I’m also kinda saying it for the bounce
floral arch
I see
twilit sonnet
||shitty druid||
For gambler….
I really do want to say Village idiot.
*role math
surreal condorBOT
*role math
twilit sonnet
ah.
You know what’s funny
If a poisoner made another poisoner drunk, and that poisoner tried to drunk someone, it wouldn’t proc math.
Which also applies to VI
calm furnace
Does this script ever make it to F3?
scapegoat confirmed soldier
and second demon doing virtually fuckall
(evil still wins turns out)
uh also
Pukka poisoned Imp
- exorcised demon
(evil also still wins)
lone marten
I'm still waiting on the Leviathan version on this script
floral arch
That's something
calm furnace
unironically yes?
cursive pebble
(evil still wins turns out)
To be fair that game ended without me voting at all on the demon, yes or no, when I thought I would be pinged first to send my decision
cursive pebble
I'm still waiting on the Leviathan version on this script
Leviathan + legion would be crazy :3
Wait no I forgot legion just straight up doesnt work with this script concept because of the “exe one demon and win”
calm furnace
mhm
cursive pebble
Wait no I forgot legion just straight up doesnt work with this script concept be...
For some reason I was interpreting it as you having to exe all of the legion for it to count as a demon kill
neon schooner
- Ditch mm (almost a hard no)
- Ditch assassin
- Give good the tools to simply execute evil players consistently regardless of mm
3 is my preferred option
But 2 is very worth investigating
calm furnace
devil on your sholder
neon schooner
But req that's more than 6 swaps (and that's the only problem here)
neon schooner
Oh from the original version?
calm furnace
mhm
neon schooner
I was counting from what I submitted
calm furnace
ah
lone marten
baron drunk 👀
neon schooner
What would take its place
neon schooner
baron drunk 👀
I love 9p games having 2 townsfolk
calm furnace
marionette is a sickass method of misinfo on this script
neon schooner
I think keeping 9p intact is important here
neon schooner
marionette is a sickass method of misinfo on this script
First of all it's not misinfo, second of all rerack simulator
cursive pebble
MARIONETTE! MY BOY
calm furnace
First of all it's not misinfo, second of all rerack simulator
why rerack simulator
neon schooner
Pulling a blue token has never felt worse!! You neighbor one demon but the other one is just out there somewhere and I guess if you accidentally vote on them you lose!!
calm furnace
neon schooner
General over oracle 😭
calm furnace
Pulling a blue token has never felt worse!! You neighbor one demon but the other...
the demon can just tell you hey btw don't vote
calm furnace
General over oracle 😭
general is cool here
esp because with lev a lot of conversation will be had about executions
neon schooner
the demon can just tell you hey btw don't vote
So what was the point of the marionette 😀
calm furnace
and not actually having them
cursive pebble
the demon can just tell you hey btw don't vote
This is why marionette doesn’t work in livetext :3 (that and socials being a bit wack)
calm furnace
truer
calm furnace
So what was the point of the marionette 😀
a good player on a low misinfo script pushing their world super hard
neon schooner
Me when the demons neighbor the innk soldier philo-soldier and magician
calm furnace
yeah I'm leaning over to that philo soldier
"hey btw ur my marionette" "what the fuck do you mean you went soldier"
neon schooner
I think marionette is far more oppressive here to blue tokens than mastermind is
calm furnace
hmmm
lone marten
ye ngl kinda have to agree
calm furnace
👀
twilit sonnet
Wait no I forgot legion just straight up doesnt work with this script concept be...
Register it as a minion(this definitely works)
neon schooner
Pois: no
Boff: innk is too core and idt Boffin provides all that much? Except exactly UT
SW: doesn't work
Spy: recluse was bad enough
Mario: no
Mez: no
Goblin: surely this is a bad idea right
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Pois: no
Boff: innk is too core and idt Boffin provides all that much? Except ex...
is ik too core?
I cut it from both my Lev versions idk
Goblin is incredibly oppressive yes
also gives CM
neon schooner
Good players can claim goblin if they think it's a mm day :sotrue:
lone marten
no they can't
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"how did req guess my waking pattern" was a very good arguement for me good
neon schooner
if good executes a goblin claiming goblin on a mastermind day
Ur so right
Anyways yeah no goblin
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Boffin-MC + MM works too
neon schooner
Guys wizard wouldn't necessarily be too loud :sotrue:
cursive pebble
wizard wish for a third demon
neon schooner
I think assassin would have to go to widow??? I don't like it tho
neon schooner
wizard wish for a third demon
I'd just turn the wiz into the 3rd out of play demon and call it a day
neon schooner
widow wayy too opressive
So assassin stays lol
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Boffin tho >_<
cursive pebble
I'd just turn the wiz into the 3rd out of play demon and call it a day
but what if there's a normal pukka and a summoned pukka. Would you create a third pukka for the bit :3
neon schooner
Yeah
twilit sonnet
I think assassin would have to go to widow??? I don't like it tho
Widow would delete this script
math+Demonsbanes are like
Core
Widow says “no”
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there is a reason why Lev should take Ojo's place
I think that Ojo is wayy too good at killing into info when there's another demon who can kill for socials
it makes Ojo rly good
neon schooner
Wait were you serious about leviathan 😭
cursive pebble
Levi is a silly guy on this script
neon schooner
What part of leviathan is a positive addition to this script
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the one where it doesn't kill
floral arch
That's something was referring to message before it.
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yeah
neon schooner
I'm trying to write 2 suns exploding not 1 sun exploding and another just kinda sitting there and being really annoying
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I was refering to autumn's mesage
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I'm trying to write 2 suns exploding not 1 sun exploding and another just kinda ...
okay that's p funi
like I think that like looking at this
omg proxi has berk ⁉️
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no what oh boo
floral arch
Yep
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like I think that like looking at this
the math of BSN feels like playing a 10p game always
lev makes me feel like this script doesn't actively hate me
neon schooner
Vizier has unironically been suggested bc it's 1 less evil for good to find 😭
thiscore
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😭
lone marten
I don't even think Vizier is that bad
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34% 😔