The Final Nail in the Boffin

[agile iron]

Was the info like different to the FT info?

[grizzled shuttle]

the FT was dashii-poisoned and getting yesses on the cere (who got lifted off the block 2 days in a row by madness breaks)

then the pixie checked self against the cere and got a no

[agile iron]

Oh right

[agile iron]

Updated fwiw

[agile iron]

Running this script this evening over in livetext, don't think I've mentioned it here

#livetext-event-listings message

[hasty rivet]

Fuck it.

Ruin my sleep schedule for this 🔥🔥

[agile iron]

Recorded winrate:

• No Dashii : 0W/5L ≈ 0% evil WR
• Imp : 4W/3L ≈ 57% evil WR
• Ojo : 2W/4L ≈ 33% evil WR
• Fang Gu : 7W/1L ≈ 88% evil WR
  Total: 13W/13L ≈ 50% evil WR

[dim bluff]

balanced 😉

[shrewd barn]

True

[prisma mason]

Balanced unless you are ND or FG

[agile iron]

People over-consider ND worlds ime

Like LoT

[sand marlin]

How viable is removing Fang Gu

[lusty marsh]

8 games is not enough to really make a conclusion. But it is quite... notable

[sand marlin]

Fang Gu will almost always be overpowered though

It needs an environment like S&V to be balanced where there is very little misinfo outside of the demons

And this script has Puzzlemaster

And Boffin Puzzlemaster

And Boffin Philo I think

It feels really rough for good in a fang gu game

[warm bluff]

jfc lmao

[agile iron]

Uhm

[grizzled shuttle]

don't tell me

BOOZLING 2 REAL

[agile iron]

😔

Anyways, recluse never does anything here, so I wanna add something to make the recluse an actual outsider

[grizzled shuttle]

want a pin on this btw?

[grizzled shuttle]

recluse noble is legit

[agile iron]

Nah, I've edited the already pinned one

[agile iron]

How tho?

Like it's surely just like recluse + investigator?

Anyways, with such a high difference in winrates between the demons, I don't think I can justify general anymore

N1: "Evil strongly winning"

The only FG loss was a longtext too 😭 😭 😭

[grizzled shuttle]

yes. this is a good interaction

[agile iron]

So, I've got to nerf it somehow and while general is an alright way to do that, I'd like something that a recluse can misregister to

[grizzled shuttle]

the recluse being able to junk the noble info (which is super super strong) is great

[grizzled shuttle]

you had any ideas?

[agile iron]

It's a real tricky one ngl

Is there even a suitable released character??

I'm not too sure myself

[grizzled shuttle]

return of empath ‼️

[slender stump]

: If the demon is a Fang Gu, the General gains the Empath ability in addition to their own.

[sand marlin]

Is there no negative O-mod here?

[agile iron]

It sort of works, trust

[sand marlin]

Does that just work because mutant and damsel?

[slender stump]

In practice, yes due to mutant/damsel/fg

[agile iron]

Yeah, effectively

[sand marlin]

- + 😄

[slender stump]

There's ideal scripting theory but there's also "in practice fang gu with hidden outsiders tends to do a lot of what negative mod does even though it's a bandaid"

[agile iron]

FG is kinda essential to the script I think

Also, almost all of the FG games have been really really close, the good team just need that little extra push to win

Oracle might be too strong tho

Against the other demons

[grizzled shuttle]

Oracle against non-fg just kinda becomes undertaker 2

[slender stump]

the impeccable imp:

not to mention the ojo when you kill all their minions on a miss

[agile iron]

Probably happened before

[agile iron]

Btw, if anyone wants to try this script out, it's being ran in longtext by Dani and Dire:
#1368529740188614786

[devout obsidian]

yes dylan do free advertisement for me 😈

[hasty rivet]

🔥🔥🔥🔥

WOOOO

[hasty rivet]

🔥

-# I'm totally Meta-ing myself ND and finally give ND their first Win..

[agile iron]

I'd hope demon type was selected randomly, but Dani can do as he wishes

[agile iron]

Just watching the Monday stream on the grimoire and it's this script :0

I will send the grim here once I've watched it!🍿

Aaaaand the boffin-amne is:
"en: choose a player, they are the source of ND poison"

[warm bluff]

?????

[agile iron]

(I'm watching the stream back, it's not happening live)

[devout obsidian]

Oh wow thats a kinda evil ability ngl

[agile iron]

Let's see if it works out

[warm bluff]

not even “on your first night”??? 😭

i love it when my boffin!amnes create an unsolvable slop of a puzzle

[agile iron]

Maybe we'll see our first ND win lmao

[devout obsidian]

For sure lol

[warm bluff]

dw they’ll get “solved” as the ojo

[sand marlin]

Tf is that ability

That's mental

[sand marlin]

I don't think it can legally constitute as a ND game

More like double poisoner

[agile iron]

"legally"

[agile iron]

It was a ND loss

Marionette was never told

[sand marlin]

What did they see?

[agile iron]

And Boffin fake-marionette-d the... recluse

[agile iron]

Savant

[sand marlin]

And they weren't pushing ND worlds?

[agile iron]

They died D1

[sand marlin]

Oof

Savant exe day 1 crazy

[agile iron]

Recorded winrate:

• No Dashii : 0W/6L ≈ 0% evil WR
• Imp : 4W/3L ≈ 57% evil WR
• Ojo : 2W/4L ≈ 33% evil WR
• Fang Gu : 7W/1L ≈ 88% evil WR
  Total: 13W/14L ≈ 48% evil WR

The boffin-amne only droisoned the FT for one night and gave the Noble true info

Damsel died N2

It looks like the juggler got some pretty strong info, though I don't remember fully

[slender stump]

talross fake marionetting pengums
10/10

(I used to play with this group a lot so I have a perfect mental image of how that went without watching the stream at all)

[grizzled shuttle]

hey it made it to f3

[agile iron]

It was one vote off in the end 😢

Evil can definitely win with a ND, they've just had awful luck thus far

[hasty rivet]

#NerftheFangGu

[thin anvil]

Have some fang gu losses

Fang gu loss after outsiders were executed day 1 and 2 without the fang gu jumping

another fangu loss!

[slender stump]

Recorded winrate:

• No Dashii : 0W/6L ≈ 0% evil WR
• Imp : 4W/3L ≈ 57% evil WR
• Ojo : 2W/4L ≈ 33% evil WR
• Fang Gu : 7W/3L ≈ 70% evil WR
  Total: 13W/16L ≈ 45% evil WR

(dylan changed his username, trust)

[onyx hedge]

rare fang gu L holy smokes

what’s next

a No Dashii W?

surely not

[slender stump]

7p boffin-philo balloonist puzzlemaster

ez

[onyx hedge]

real

[agile iron]

Vati_is_eating

Close to 30 playtests 👀 👀 👀 👀 👀

[agile iron]

Did the games feel like either team could've won btw?

[thin anvil]

Yup, they were all pretty tense final threes that were a vote or two off from the other side winning

[agile iron]

Good to hear :)

[fathom yew]

is this script huge

[agile iron]

25 characters so the same as any other script 😉

[fathom yew]

no as in do people like it

[agile iron]

Seemingly, yeah

It's gotten a lot of traction recently

Even though the boffin contest was like 6 months ago or smth like that

[lusty marsh]

If you plug it enough it gets attention and players

But its a good mid weight script which uses Boffin well

[grizzled shuttle]

imp game, good win! was hard-fought but the mario-savant couldn't carry it through

[devout obsidian]

oh so you abandoned us livetexters for storytell a game on, idk, voice?

i feel abandoned

😭

[slender stump]

axo is famously a livevoicer

[devout obsidian]

wait ever since when i had this thread

ah right

nvm

lol

[devout obsidian]

but she always storytell livetext on thursdays :(

and it gets people

[grizzled shuttle]

i gotta flex the other half of my cyan

[grizzled shuttle]

factcheckers have determined this statement is false

[slender stump]

n=1

[slender stump]

Yeah it's a great script and it's also a good recommendation for pretty much...any "I'm looking for a script for X" questions

1. not very complex, good for groups getting into customs (worst thing on it is the damsel and it's not that rough a damsel)
2. works well at all player counts, including 1 minion which is the most common "I need a custom that works at X player count" request
3. feels familiar to the base scripts and very "botc-y" but is different enough to them and has a lot of roles interesting to "we want to start playing with some experimentals" players
4. has popular roles that work well together and don't do incredibly weird things that can turn people off
5. fun
   So it's easy to shill for because it's easy to recommend

[slender stump]

I am thinking a lot more about Oracle here because Scarlet Woman is way stronger when you have no feedback on your executions

Fang Gu/Scarlet Woman has proven an oppressive combo here (100% evil winrate)

General is a lot of things that include that but it's low-resolution

I think between tracking nighttime demon mobility, tracking daytime demon mobility, and providing reason not to policy execute the recluse d1 (one of the app games had a decent amount of discussion about this being ~correct on the script as it exists), there's a solid argument for it

I do think Boffin-General is cool though

[onyx hedge]

so add it to CC 😭

[agile iron]

Sameeee

Also, FG + Recluse + Oracle is an absolutely banger interaction 🤩

On top of that, 30 playtests!!

Ty to everyone who has ran it <3

[agile iron]

The demon who exactly follows the boffin-general info for their general bluff:

[grizzled shuttle]

tbh, I'm a little shaky on Recluse/Oracle on this kind of script - like, there's a reason there isn't a recluse on boozling

(a very similar script with a very similar info landscape)

it'd be fun to playtest, though, and see if it really is bad or not

[slender stump]

yeah clearly we should replace recluse with golem

[grizzled shuttle]

that'd mean we have to replace boffin with baron

[slender stump]

nah just have the golem straight up it balances boffloonist puzzlemaster now instead

[grizzled shuttle]

oh good idea i should rack that

only way for nd to win

[grizzled shuttle]

i will say, something that final nail has that excites me: it wins livevoice polls

which is surprising for a script that i'm the only one running in livevoice

(whenever someone who isn't me puts, like, bitter end or word around town on a script poll it just doesn't win lmao)

[grizzled shuttle]

maybe it's the boozling-tmse-like nature that draws livevoicers to it

[slender stump]

"script you can recommend to anyone"

[grizzled shuttle]

it's familiar

and if general drops for oracle it's gonna be even easier to run

[slender stump]

also good way to prevent new players from voting on the horrible things they will instead after they're done insisting they're "up for anything"

because otherwise beginner queue will vote on this

(not pictured: the atheist, there was also a heretic)

[grizzled shuttle]

maybe people only read scripts when i run polls

after my game a script with like every ysk, vi, and poisoner won the poll and i heard "oh i only voted for this because legion was on it"

[slender stump]

anyway full respect to boozling's pioneering work in being final nail 0.1 before they released any roles that can be described with the word 'script-splashable', but idk if recluracle destroys the final nail info landscape with any particular unusual gravity

it definitely came up in one of the app games that the recluse is just fully a policy execution as it stands

admittedly the player who wanted to be policy executed as the recluse also tried incredibly hard to get killed once as the librarian confirmed ogre who picked the virgin when I was the librarian in question who procced said virgin, but

[grizzled shuttle]

you call boozling final nail 0.1, i call final nail boozling v11

[slender stump]

first nail

related

[tired jetty]

3 games last night, went great

The 1st game picture from video, haha

Ojo got huntsman

[slender stump]

Recorded winrate:

• No Dashii : 1W/6L ≈ 14% evil WR
• Imp : 4W/4L ≈ 50% evil WR
• Ojo : 3W/4L ≈ 43% evil WR
• Fang Gu : 7W/4L ≈ 64% evil WR
  Total: 15W/18L ≈ 47% evil WR

I like that the demons are evening out

What were the amne abilities?

[tired jetty]

The first Amne when the demon are Fang Gu,

For a record the player is kinda new player for this one, but got help from other player

Each night, learn 1 evil player

While it was ND game,

You and 1 of your townfolks neighbor are immune to poison

There was a matron in the ND game

Pixie got Fisherman but poisoned -> i put the token on raven keeper -> change seat -> Pixie now sober but sadly died before using the ability

[shrewd barn]

ND WIN

[odd oracle]

Wooooo no dashii

[warm bluff]

DASHII WIN

[agile iron]

I do not believe it

It's simply propaganda

[agile iron]

The other scripts must be awful then /lh

[hasty rivet]

FIRST ND WIN OMG 😭

[onyx hedge]

NO DASHII WIN???

[hasty rivet]

Ikr

[tired jetty]

Is it that hard tho for ND win ahha

[agile iron]

It was on a 6 game loss streak lol

[agile iron]

Stream with this script on the Grimoire's Wednesday stream :000000000000000

[agile iron]

I look back and I see a puzzle-drunk mutant 😭 😭

[odd oracle]

I love that. Its hilarious

[agile iron]

JUGGLER 5

How have they done that

Let's see if they live

[agile iron]

Good win!

Recorded winrate:

• No Dashii : 1W/6L ≈ 14% evil WR
• Imp : 4W/5L ≈ 44% evil WR
• Ojo : 3W/4L ≈ 43% evil WR
• Fang Gu : 7W/4L ≈ 64% evil WR
  Total: 15W/19L ≈ 44% evil WR

[dim bluff]

juggler 5 🔥

[agile iron]

I know 😭

On the script where everyone lies

[dim bluff]

puzzledrunk mutant?

[agile iron]

Yeah, idk what that was

Surely you could just like... not execute the mutant?

It's only useful if the puzzlemaster picks the mutant

[odd oracle]

Its so puzzlemaster can make town think one of them has bad info even tho one doesnt

[grizzled shuttle]

it turns the PM into an evil bluffing PM

[odd oracle]

True

[thin anvil]

Imp win, puzzledrunk philo amne

[devout obsidian]

Boffin Recluse? I think I saw that once 🤔

[agile iron]

Recorded winrate:

• No Dashii : 1W/6L ≈ 14% evil WR
• Imp : 5W/5L ≈ 50% evil WR
• Ojo : 3W/4L ≈ 43% evil WR
• Fang Gu : 7W/4L ≈ 64% evil WR
  Total: 16W/19L ≈ 46% evil WR

[agile iron]

Longtext evil win the first!

The Fang Gu was one vote off of being executed in f4

With the Ravenkeeper dying instead

Recorded winrate:

• No Dashii : 1W/6L ≈ 14% evil WR
• Imp : 5W/5L ≈ 50% evil WR
• Ojo : 3W/4L ≈ 43% evil WR
• Fang Gu : 8W/4L ≈ 67% evil WR
  Total: 17W/19L ≈ 47% evil WR

[slender stump]

(marionette was amnesiac)

[agile iron]

Also, 36 games now :00000

[shrewd barn]

:O

[devout obsidian]

I've STed this game. The Cerenovous hid their madness all the game lol. It was a very close game, good only lost because they gave the beggar 3 votes from good players, and the beggar tunneled on the wrong player. Most of the town got the Demon correct though. It was a fun script of STing!

Also, the Philosopher and the Slayer got sniped N2 and N3, making It though for good to win

Still pretty close

[agile iron]

The slayer did basically claim to me on D2 lol

[lusty marsh]

fang gu continues to be busted

[slender stump]

It's dropped a lot from its peak

I think the script wants an oracle but is otherwise in a good place

Also this was a 4v6 where one of the 6s was always going to misvote which is fang gu at its most utterly brutal

[agile iron]

Would love everyone's thoughts on
General -> Oracle btw!

Recorded v1.7 winrate:

• No Dashii : 1W/2L ≈ 33% evil WR
• Imp : 2W/2L ≈ 50% evil WR
• Ojo : 1W/2L ≈ 33% evil WR
• Fang Gu : 3W/3L ≈ 50% evil WR
  Total: 7W/9L ≈ 43% evil WR

Probably more representative :p

[slender stump]

wow so evilsided

[slender stump]

Yeah I like it now for the prior discussed reasons

I think lack of feedback on executions feels tricky to navigate as good

I do worry it'd be a little too strong but 1. weaker than empath lol and 2. right now it's too optimal to kill the recluse and those two factors mitigate each other

[agile iron]

Ok

Will probably post v1.8 in a bit

[agile iron]

Version 1.8

General -> Oracle
Oracle provides a better way to counter the strong synergy between the Fang Gu and the Scarlet Woman and gives the good team some feedback on their executions. This role is very similar to General here, but just does more for the good team. Additionally, it prevents the town from executing the Recluse early in the game and allows more roles for it to misregister to. This also makes the script slightly easier to storytell, which is always nice. For now, the recommended travellers have been reduced down to exactly the Deviant. I might re-add the Beggar in the future however.

[slender stump]

For now, the recommended travellers have been reduced down to exactly the Deviantlol

Judge/Scapegoat should still work I think

[agile iron]

I don't really like judge

I have no clue which Fang gu possessed me to put it on script

Scapegoat might work yeah

-# Can't wait for STs to save the damsel with it

[devout obsidian]

wdym

you wouldnt save the damsel with the good scapegoat?

unbeliviable!

[slender stump]

Judge isn't universally beloved but it works well here because there's nothing super weird for it to do

[agile iron]

Dani for CEST when :p

[devout obsidian]

wdym

whats CEST

[agile iron]

Community endorsed storyteller

Like Sterling and Quilava with the blue names

[devout obsidian]

i had to search what endorsed was

[devout obsidian]

i think maybe on the next febuary 30 i could get it 🤔

[agile iron]

Pinning peeps 🙏

[shrewd barn]

Oracle looks interesting

Although not sure about Oracle/Recluse interaction.

[slender stump]

Good interaction

[agile iron]

I quite like the interaction personally icl

[slender stump]

ignore hystrex propaganda

[agile iron]

Recorded v1.8 winrate:

• No Dashii : 0W/0L ≈ undefined% evil WR
• Imp : 0W/0L ≈ undefined% evil WR
• Ojo : 0W/0L ≈ undefined% evil WR
• Fang Gu : 0W/0L ≈ undefined% evil WR
  Total: 0W/0L ≈ undefined% evil WR

[shrewd barn]

Wanna pin this?

[agile iron]

The... winrates?

[slender stump]

I'd rather have the all versions pin tbh

[agile iron]

I'm good thanks

[slender stump]

Easier to interpret and you can just check subsets

[agile iron]

You can keep previous versions pinned if u want

[shrewd barn]

Yeah, fair.

[slender stump]

The script hasn't changed that much across what we have stats for (biggest was dropping empath)

[shrewd barn]

Idm anything, just happy to help with pins if needed.

[agile iron]

The evil teams were saved that day

[slender stump]

can't wait for the d1 slayer shot

[agile iron]

... on the Scarlet woman

[devout obsidian]

or even better: on the recluse

[dim bluff]

who then gets fang gu jumped

[slender stump]

hits the demon and the marionette kills the scarlet by execution that day because "I'm in the noble ping with them so if I'm the mario they're good"

[agile iron]

I personally can't wait for the Oracle 4 on that grim

[dim bluff]

savant info is "you would get an empath 2" and "you would get an empath 2"

[agile iron]

The marionette who's "confirmed good" by the noble:

[grizzled shuttle]

axo double cest ratings 📉📉📉

[agile iron]

Update is live on BotC scripts! See https://botc-scripts.azurewebsites.net/script/4803 :)

[slender stump]

Remove the orange then

[agile iron]

First damsel loss

[keen herald]

Dylan I pulled recluse what if you took it off immediately and burned it in a fire

[slender stump]

What if we burned you instead

How'd the game go

Post grim I gotta track stats

[grizzled shuttle]

one sec

[grizzled shuttle]

recreation

[slender stump]

See? Oracle isn't a blank token

[grizzled shuttle]

original fish got "execute your neighbors" d1 and pixie fish got "trust your neighbors" d2

[slender stump]

classic "evil winning with the entire good team confirmed"

[grizzled shuttle]

i faked an ft yes on the boffin and myself and couldn't get them killed d1 why live

[grizzled shuttle]

the recluse wasn't confirmed. on account of being the recluse town was told to execute

in a game with an oracle

[slender stump]

oh wait f3 lmao

I thought he died earlier

it's a fang gu game it's valid info!

[grizzled shuttle]

f3 was pixie fg (bluffing RK) recluse

[slender stump]

anyway good to know recluse is a great and balanced outsider in the final nail info landscape thank you for this supportive data point

[keen herald]

Characters that imo are a problem on a recluse script: and amne isn't great

Like bro just let it die

Oh did I miss marionette 😭 fixed

[slender stump]

good interaction

[grizzled shuttle]

turns out the problem was recluse all along

[grizzled shuttle]

note: It was not a fun game

maybe this is because it was late at night. maybe this is because the recluse is just not fun here

im inclined to lean toward the latter

[slender stump]

Recorded winrate:
No Dashii : 1W/6L ≈ 14% evil WR
Imp : 6W/5L ≈ 55% evil WR
Ojo : 3W/4L ≈ 43% evil WR
Fang Gu : 9W/4L ≈ 69% evil WR
Total: 19W/19L ≈ 50% evil WR

[slender stump]

it's been fun before

[grizzled shuttle]

because of it, or in spite of it?

[slender stump]

tbh most games aren't made fun by a recluse

[keen herald]

I'm very inclined to lean towards the latter

[slender stump]

if recluse drops I'd push for replacing half the town and also marionette

[grizzled shuttle]

that one game of cc I ran

[keen herald]

"recluse can misregister to the marionette" ok so now I'm seriously considering claiming puzzlemaster on the final day rather than recluse so my neighbors don't vote against me

Like

😭

[grizzled shuttle]

i didn't vote on you!!!

that counts for something right 🥹🥹

[keen herald]

If I neighbor is the marionette I'm gonna manipulate them to voting for good not evil

[slender stump]

from a player seat, 'fun in spite of the recluse'

[keen herald]

Yes axo it does and that's the problem

[grizzled shuttle]

idk it was kinda hype to have two mathematicians and the recluse

[slender stump]

oh the other one

[grizzled shuttle]

yeah that one

[slender stump]

tbf cc v3/v4 had Stuff Going On

idk I can tell this is definitely the wrong time for me and hystrex to get into another extended argument about "how to prevent marionette from being incredibly rough" and also that there is never a right time but if the script replaced recluse with something else and changed nothing else I would probably delete it from my scripts folder and the changes to match not-recluse would be pretty drastic

this, like every other issue with every script, will be fixed when occultist becomes real

[onyx hedge]

good win!

cere bluffed chaos amne which was quite silly

juggler locked as mutant for the entire game

i tbh i have no idea how that game lasted as long as it did; demon was on the block 3 days, one of them they lifted onto the recluse, a second one a cere saved them, and then the 3rd one was f3

also SW was exed D2 so rough for evil

however town almost lost because a lot of them were convinced arcane was a minion at best bc noble ping

Pretend im Vati pretending he's Dylan

Recorded winrate:
No Dashii 1W/6L ≈ 14% evil WR
Imp 6W/5L ≈ 55% evil WR
Ojo : 3W/5L ≈ 38% evil WR
Fang Gu : 9W/4L ≈ 69% evil WR
Total: 19W/20L ≈ 49% evil WR

[agile iron]

Nah

Think of the fortune teller

[grizzled shuttle]

the one that was a bluff?

[agile iron]

And slayer

And RK

[slender stump]

posterity

[agile iron]

The minion didn't even read the savant info lmao

[warm bluff]

LOL

[agile iron]

Wait what

[onyx hedge]

what’s wrong with FG Recluse

[keen herald]

Going back and forth between "please kill me immediately" and "I could be the demon at any moment"

Fang Gu needs the opposite of sac outsiders

Recluse is a sac outsider, and needs the freedom to be one

[onyx hedge]

sac?

[keen herald]

"please kill me immediately"

[onyx hedge]

ah

[agile iron]

Sacrificial

[keen herald]

Most TPI outsiders aren't sac outsiders but they exist

[onyx hedge]

ngl i’m ok with outsiders that normally wanna die being shady for fang gu

i made a whole solo FG script with that

[agile iron]

Luckily for you, Recluse is no longer that :p

[keen herald]

It was so oppressive to pull the token

[agile iron]

(Oracle)

[keen herald]

Yeah that's part of the problem I'm gonna be so real

Recluse needs to be sackable

Not that you should kill it every game

But it should be a reasonable option

[agile iron]

Recluse was never the most fun outsider ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[keen herald]

Because you can never determine a recluse's alignment

[keen herald]

I mean... yeah?

It works on TB bc baron suite

The rest of this script seems cool!! This is just the token I pulled

-# I'm choosing to ignore dashiionette for now

[agile iron]

Marionette is going as soon as another OM minion is released because I'm not using either Godfather, Xaan or Baron lol

Also, this script needs a little more OM I think

[slender stump]

Can't wait for final nail v5.2 in a decade that still has marionette

[agile iron]

Marionette felt like a useless minion in the game I played

Sit there and pray that the juggler doesn't randomly snipe them (even though that's like a terrible play for the juggler)

[slender stump]

Hey you did better than the other longtext with a marionette at the same time

Also I suggested mario amne in kib just to make fun of my experiences in the last game and then the ability never mattered smh

(as in the "amne ability")

I like how both fang gu longtexts of final nail had the same evil team configurations

[lavish heart]

simply use the fourth outsider mod minion, sentinel

[lusty marsh]

Does it need a Outsider mod minion?

Surely Fang Gu is enough to make any Outsider claim an easy frame?

1 thing I do find with this script is both times I've played it, it devolves into executing 2 or 3 Outsiders for the first 3 days.

Like, Fang Gu is rough

And not executing Outsiders only to find that now there's 2 in final 5 and they're all demon candidates is really harsh

[agile iron]

Yeah, idk what the motive is for a mutant not to out D1 tbh

(I'm not adding cannibal)

[lusty marsh]

If it weren't for marionette I think this is a good Undertaker script

[agile iron]

I don't really like UT without a spy ngl

Boffin-UT is just so specific 😭

[lusty marsh]

idk

I think players will make the 'The UT is the demon w a boffin ability' world quite a lot

[slender stump]

Yeah I'm gonna be honest script theory is one thing but in practice fang gu scripts with hidden outsiders don't really need negative mod

Every game of this script everyone kills all the outsider claims enthusiastically

[lusty marsh]

yeah

Idt this script needs negative outsider mod

I do feel that it might need a reason to not execute all the Outsiders D1-D3

Hence me eyeing Undertaker if there is a viable replacement for it w Marionette

[agile iron]

Godfather is the best option for that imo, but that'll require a ton of changes and almost change the script entirely

[hasty rivet]

Test Grim Bags for each demon because I'm bored

1/4

Demon:

Title:

- Almost Extension Cord

Amount:
15 Players(3 Minion,One Demon)

- FT itself

ND Poisoned: Ravenkeeper and Slayer.

Bluffs:
General,Fisherman,Noble

Boffin gives:

• General Ability

Test Grim Bags for each demon because I'm bored

2/4

Demon:

Title:

- The Confused Imp

Amount:
15 Players(3 Minion,One Demon)

Notes:
Boffin - Amnesiac

Bluffs:
Huntsman
Fortuneteller
Fisherman

Test Grim Bags for each demon because I'm bored

3/4

Demon:

Title:

- Wasted at the Bar

Amount:
15 Players(3 Minion,One Demon)

[agile iron]

Wrong version but w/e

I might make a how to run overview for this script I think

[odd oracle]

Wheres the Ojo test grim?

[agile iron]

Idk

Ojo doesn't exist anyways, so it's fine

[hasty rivet]

Di nagsend

It didn't send 😦

Sad

@odd oracle @agile iron

Redoing all of this bc I got the 1.7 😭

TEST GRIM ARE REPLIED TO THIS MESSAGE.

[slender stump]

Consider whether other people enjoy this as much as you do, given prior feedback you received

[hasty rivet]

For now imma D ND

And tommorow I might do Imp if anyone likes the grim I made.

No Dashii Test Grim

• Marionette on Recluse, misregistered as Demon so the Philo becomes the Marionette.

ND poisons both The Amnesiac and FT, which I suppose can be brutal.

Bluffs: Oracle,Noble and Juggler.

PM drunk on Pixie.

[agile iron]

Fang Gu has bitten the dust

Fun game overall :)

Lepa starting mutant

Pretend I'm Dylan pretending he's Kenoboi pretending he's Vati pretending he's Dylan

Recorded winrate:
No Dashii 1W/6L ≈ 14% evil WR
Imp : 6W/5L ≈ 55% evil WR
Ojo : 3W/5L ≈ 38% evil WR
Fang Gu : 9W/5L ≈ 64% evil WR
Total: 19W/21L ≈ 48% evil WR

40 playtests :000000

[shrewd barn]

[agile iron]

Ty everyone who's ran it!

[grizzled shuttle]

want a pin for this?

[agile iron]

Sure, but could you unpin the previous winrates as well?

[agile iron]

Oh wait sorry empath's outdated

Much better 😌

[slender stump]

yeah I'm the huntsman and the damsel should hardclaim to me rn, trust

[keen herald]

It's me I'm the damsel

[agile iron]

Almost everyone in this channel but me is a minion now 😭

[slender stump]

marionette trying to bait a damsel guess smh

[agile iron]

Recorded v1.8 winrate:

• No Dashii : 0W/0L ≈ undefined% evil WR
• Imp : 1W/0L ≈ 100% evil WR
• Ojo : 0W/1L ≈ 0% evil WR
• Fang Gu : 1W/1L ≈ 50% evil WR
  Total: 2W/2L ≈ 50% evil WR

(Dw about pinning this)

Ojo feels weak, but it's almost necessary for juggler 😔

[slender stump]

Cool damsel interaction also

[keen herald]

No paradox is a mod

[agile iron]

Hence the "almost" lol

[lusty marsh]

It's alright for ojo

Ojo also is good at avoiding Outsiders which means it's scary w Fang Gu

[warm bluff]

be the change you want to see in the world

[onyx hedge]

me when i lie

[devout obsidian]

Wait what

Ever since when I have this cat thing

[thin anvil]

Evil win

Evil kind of crushed this game

cerenovus locked a player for the entire game

ojo picked off the ft and then the slayer

[agile iron]

Was town suspecting ojo?

[thin anvil]

after the ft died night 2 and the slayer the following night town was pretty convinced it was ojo

some players did build fang gu worlds briefly and no dashii worlds later

but its hard to build other worlds when the kills are so optimal

the oracle 0 through the whole game did help build no dashii worlds at the end though

[agile iron]

Cool

Players often over-consider ND worlds icl

[thin anvil]

very true

[agile iron]

Probably part of it's low winrate

Recorded winrate across all versions:
No Dashii 1W/6L ≈ 14% evil WR
Imp : 6W/5L ≈ 55% evil WR
Ojo : 4W/5L ≈ 44% evil WR
Fang Gu : 9W/5L ≈ 64% evil WR
Total: 20W/21L ≈ 49% evil WR

[agile iron]

Including v1.7 as it doesn't include versions where evil gets pulverised by an Empath and HP
Recorded v1.7 and v1.8 winrates:

• No Dashii : 1W/2L ≈ 33% evil WR
• Imp : 3W/2L ≈ 60% evil WR
• Ojo : 2W/3L ≈ 40% evil WR
• Fang Gu : 3W/3L ≈ 50% evil WR
  Total: 10W/11L ≈ 48% evil WR

[slender stump]

I think the only thing HP ever did here was be an undetectable puzzledrunk

I like how it doesn't actually change

[odd oracle]

I think you should just count from the most recent version ignoring purely traveller changes changes and count all other data as outdated

Thats what ive been doing with chasing rabbits

[slender stump]

The script has had pretty few changes over time (much smaller than CR which has had radical demon and minion revamps) so I think it makes more sense to treat as continuous

[agile iron]

There's not really enough data for the current v1.8. Additionally, it's a minor change from v1.7 to v1.8, so I don't really see a problem

[odd oracle]

🤷‍♂️ your stats your rules

[fathom yew]

B)

I had lots of fun that game

Good script

[slender stump]

Just entered longtext queue for v1.8 👀

[agile iron]

If you can't beat 'em, join 'em 😎

[warm bluff]

congrats!

[slender stump]

Now you no longer have the unique contest winner colour :(

As far as I'm concerned that's much more of an accomplishment

[agile iron]

"unique" is certainly a word for it

[onyx hedge]

no more barf color 😔

[lusty marsh]

I agree. Its a cool role but the colour could be improved

Maybe a gold colour?

Like a gold medal

[grizzled shuttle]

that's the tpi member color though

[lusty marsh]

Bronze?

Just not barf green

[grizzled shuttle]

bronze gets read as poopoo brown

[devout obsidian]

What the

Axo is now cyan???

😭😭😭

[odd oracle]

What a terrible fate

[keen herald]

Outer wilds reference no way

[slender stump]

paradox ran 1.6 in livevoice (I don't know why it was 1.6, @shrewd rover do you not have 1.8)

evil won I think

[grizzled shuttle]

high priestess truthers stay winning 🗣️🗣️🗣️

[shrewd rover]

I didn’t know it was updated lol

[slender stump]

#1289874269156675597 message

Recorded winrate:
No Dashii : 1W/6L ≈ 14% evil WR
Imp : 6W/5L ≈ 55% evil WR
Ojo : 5W/5L ≈ 50% evil WR
Fang Gu : 9W/5L ≈ 64% evil WR
Total: 21W/21L ≈ 50% evil WR

[agile iron]

Smh

[agile iron]

The only "problem characters" on this script I think are philo and marionette

Also savant is a little strong I think

It's slightly balanced by recluse shenanigans

And all the demons all somewhat counter it

No Dashii - can poison it
Imp - can move and minion is now demon
Ojo - can target it
Fang Gu - demon can move and extra evil creates

[hasty rivet]

TFNITB

The
Final
Nail
In
The
Boffin

[agile iron]

Ok, I know it's not great, but it's like something

You can use "might" in the wordings to make it better too

Or "could" rather

"A chef could get a 1" OR "A seamstress could get a yes between your neigbours"

[lusty marsh]

It's a nice fix

Still not ideal

[slender stump]

I bluffed the savant statement once of It is mechanically possible for a Town Crier to receive a yes on a day where [Recluse] was the only nominator which I think is a cool way to do it

anyway savant and philo are both fine and marionette is always what it is

[devout obsidian]

just add atheist and it is fixed smh

[slender stump]

THE ONE TIME I RUN SLAYER WITHOUT SCARLET

fang gu slayer shot d2

(I put the execution marker for simplicity but it was before any noms)

[agile iron]

First successful final nail slayer shot :000

[slender stump]

boffin fish fwiw

[agile iron]

Just about to ask, ty

[agile iron]

So why are there no shrouds?

[warm bluff]

did no one get exed or die d1/n2?

[slender stump]

Livevoice grim reveals are weird

physix executed d1, dee died n2

The marionette learned at grim reveal 😭

[dim bluff]

smh should've made the slayer the marionette 😉

[agile iron]

I mean, in hindsight, yeah, but also, woohoo Fang Gu isn't as broken on this script as everyone says

[slender stump]

Recorded winrate:
No Dashii : 1W/6L ≈ 14% evil WR
Imp : 6W/5L ≈ 55% evil WR
Ojo : 5W/5L ≈ 50% evil WR
Fang Gu : 9W/6L ≈ 60% evil WR
Total: 21W/22L ≈ 49% evil WR

[dim bluff]

now all we need is some no dashii wins

(impossible)

[agile iron]

Anyways, doesn't look like Voidstarr's gonna post it, but there were 3 games on stream that I saw, will post grims shortly

[warm bluff]

if the FG was a ND instead the shot wouldn’t have happened, clearly this means ND>FG

[shrewd barn]

Time to run multiple ND SW Balloonist+1 PM ah setups /j

[dim bluff]

actually no

if it was no dashii, the recluse wouldnt have been there

so the slayer wouldnt have been poisoned 😉

[slender stump]

Boffin-Balloonist 😎

[dim bluff]

there you go

[warm bluff]

wait yeah wheres the second outsider

oh judge

i’m smart

[slender stump]

‼️

anyway, very excited to run this in longtext soon

[slender stump]

No Dashii win 🔥

[agile iron]

Game 2: ojo loss but ST killed damsel upon miss, so yk

They all got to a close final 3, so I'm glad with that overall

Recorded winrate across all versions:
No Dashii : 2W/6L ≈ 25% evil WR
Imp : 6W/6L ≈ 50% evil WR
Ojo : 5W/6L ≈ 45% evil WR
Fang Gu : 9W/6L ≈ 60% evil WR
Total: 22W/24L ≈ 48% evil WR

[dim bluff]

that no dashii grim doesnt seem scuffed at all 😉

[slender stump]

sober savant 😎

[agile iron]

Recorded v1.7 and v1.8 winrates:

• No Dashii : 2W/2L ≈ 50% evil WR
• Imp : 3W/3L ≈ 50% evil WR
• Ojo : 2W/4L ≈ 33% evil WR
• Fang Gu : 3W/4L ≈ 43% evil WR
  Total: 11W/14L ≈ 44% evil WR

[grizzled shuttle]

depends on when the miss was but that can be legit

[hasty rivet]

OMG ANOTHER ND WIN!!

Still #JusticetotheND

[odd oracle]

Remember when Fang Gu was massively in the lead for evil wins? Pepperidge Farms remembers

[slender stump]

Kenoboi made the slayer puzzledrunk so it wouldn't happen again and the demon got executed d1 instead

[onyx hedge]

i was like "oh FG already is probably the strongest demon on this script i probs shouldnt give it a SW"

and then the FT picked the demon N1 and town killed them

ngl tho the demon had rolled evil like 5 games in a row and was kinda sick of it

like the exe needed 6 votes and they put the 6th on themself

[agile iron]

Recorded winrate across all versions:
No Dashii : 2W/6L ≈ 25% evil WR
Imp : 6W/6L ≈ 50% evil WR
Ojo : 5W/6L ≈ 45% evil WR
Fang Gu : 9W/7L ≈ 56% evil WR
Total: 22W/25L ≈ 47% evil WR

[tired jetty]

WElllll

[hasty rivet]

Psl no Hermit here for 1.9

[prisma mason]

I assure you he will not be adding that

[agile iron]

Yeah, no hermit

Negative OM would be nice, but this isn't the character

I think it has to be the same OM as hermit, but a minion somehow

That'd be cool

[lavish heart]

hermit can be a minion with boffin 😉

[onyx hedge]

town had no info outside of the noble pings and yet we somehow killed the demon d1 off made up FT pings

[agile iron]

The pixie saw?

[onyx hedge]

FT

and then made up correct FT info on the demon

[agile iron]

Also, 9p ND-Boffin-PM is criminal 😭

[slender stump]

Running in longtext 👀
https://discord.com/channels/569683781800296501/1384399100635517018

[hasty rivet]

Here we go again 👀

[agile iron]

No Princess here

[lusty marsh]

All big scripts took a look at princess, and then went 'nah'

[sand marlin]

Idk what sort of script Princess wants tbh

[keen herald]

TB x tomb probably

Hmmm should I try making that

[agile iron]

Fearmonger ones

[hasty rivet]

[agile iron]

ND win!

[onyx hedge]

rare ND W

[agile iron]

In hindsight, I probably should have done PM -> mutant, but oh well

[grizzled shuttle]

If I pull the Mutant token I am sticking in a Savant triple claim the entire game and you better believe it

(I try and claim General, forgetting it's off script, and get executed)

[slender stump]

most intense game I've ever played and somehow it was an even wackier fringe world than the 23 wacky fringe worlds I catalogued privately

[warm bluff]

what does boffin juggler even accomplish

[slender stump]

1. confirms roles you do/don't want to kill/frame
2. confirms people as lying about their roles

[dry ivy]

Call me up when you do

[dim bluff]

this game it nearly caught the damsel

its just, the demon interpreted "lying as their role" to be a role worth killing and not damsel

[dim bluff]

one thing i did notice about this script this time around was the lack of directions to go on d1

like, evil pings that are potentially worth pushing on d1 is exactly noble. even double claims really arent suspicious because madness + outsiders on fang gu script

ig there's potentially savant or fish, but it just doesnt feel like enough

[slender stump]

There's a reasonable argument to make that you do want to kill outsiders d1 between damsel and fang gu

Skipping d1 on evens is kind of strictly good for town on most scripts and there's only so much you can do about it

In shortform I'd probably want to kill into double claims d1 but in longtext I never want to do anything that might lock a damsel between fewer players than "the whole good team"

[hasty rivet]

Hear me out.

-> 👸

[grizzled shuttle]

there's no virgin on this script

[hasty rivet]

Oh yeah..

[hasty rivet]

Dangit.. 😢

[odd oracle]

??? Lmao

[onyx hedge]

lol

[agile iron]

???

[hasty rivet]

A

final nail in the boffin..

I should probably keep track of the games here.

games I play.

Starting now I guess-

[agile iron]

I can post the grims here

[agile iron]

Recorded v1.7 and v1.8 winrates:

• No Dashii : 3W/3L ≈ 50% evil WR
• Imp : 3W/3L ≈ 50% evil WR
• Ojo : 2W/4L ≈ 33% evil WR
• Fang Gu : 3W/5L ≈ 38% evil WR
  Total: 12W/16L ≈ 43% evil WR

[slender stump]

Was there another game in livetext/livevoice?

[agile iron]

Recorded winrate across all versions:
No Dashii : 3W/7L ≈ 30% evil WR
Imp : 6W/6L ≈ 50% evil WR
Ojo : 5W/6L ≈ 45% evil WR
Fang Gu : 9W/7L ≈ 56% evil WR
Total: 23W/26L ≈ 47% evil WR

[agile iron]

Idk

[slender stump]

1. damsel bluffing slayer shot the demon
2. d1 recluse execution in a game with 2 oracles
3. hidden philo-oracle who never claimed
4. mutant played for the jump so hard evil never realized she was an outsider
5. marionette missolved her info, tried to get the demon killed, then won off a damsel guess after being told
6. damsel had one whisper the entire game and it was to out damsel to the last remaining minion
7. fang gu killed every hidden power role trying to jump and 'confirmed ojo'
8. the entire good team unanimously built the starting demon as the starting demon with no exceptions even after the slayer shot
9. fisherman no (real)

Recorded winrate across all versions:
No Dashii : 3W/7L ≈ 30% evil WR
Imp : 6W/6L ≈ 50% evil WR
Ojo : 5W/6L ≈ 45% evil WR
Fang Gu : 10W/7L ≈ 59% evil WR
Total: 24W/26L ≈ 48% evil WR

and that's game #50

[agile iron]

That philo-oracle would've likely been our downfall when they learnt a 3, lucky the damsel guess happened when it did 👀

[slender stump]

He got a 2, misregistering the recluse there would've sunk you too hard

[agile iron]

Oh no, I meant before I would've jumped to Alex

[slender stump]

and if you jumped after either of Eli or Alex got executed a 3 could have tracked to that

[agile iron]

Yeah tbf

[slender stump]

I was panicking when you were talking about jumping to Alex because town was basically universal in the belief he was Kenoboi's scarlet

(no one built Kenoboi as good ever he was 100% outed demon)

[agile iron]

Recorded v1.7 and v1.8 winrates:

• No Dashii : 3W/3L ≈ 50% evil WR
• Imp : 3W/3L ≈ 50% evil WR
• Ojo : 2W/4L ≈ 33% evil WR
• Fang Gu : 4W/5L ≈ 44% evil WR
  Total: 13W/16L ≈ 45% evil WR

[warm bluff]

ojo is struggling

[prisma mason]

No Kenoboi won

[onyx hedge]

what was the actual fish info

[onyx hedge]

i had mechanical worlds >:(

[warm bluff]

“get jake to share his info” iirc

[onyx hedge]

oh yeah that’s wise

that just outs me as demon

[slender stump]

The exact wording is "Tell Jake to claim already" which tells you my thought process when I wrote it

[warm bluff]

(jake being the philo-oracle who did not share his real role/info with anyone for the entire game)

[slender stump]

If you hadn't started talking yourselves into other damsel candidates it would've been a legit fisherman no but I figured the gamestate was just salvageable

I still worried it'd lock down possibilities too far given how hard Jake was covering but it was that or nothing

[slender stump]

Nickels being a jump to a hidden puzzlemaster was 100% mechanically consistent funnily enough

[warm bluff]

“figure out a way to somehow change teams” would have been another funny way of saying “you’re fucked, good luck”

[warm bluff]

that ship had sailed

[onyx hedge]

what the fuck is a fish no

[grizzled shuttle]

There is no valid advice to give

[slender stump]

the actual wording would've been along the lines of "There is no longer any course of action available to you likely enough to improve your position"

but in a lot of projected d4s that was literally the only thing I could give

[grizzled shuttle]

the same way hack STs will give investigators in 1 minion spy games a no via misreg

[slender stump]

between "jake is still hiding", "evil is talking themselves out of the damsel", and "alex might legitimately get jumped and immediately lose" it ended up being salvageable enough for there to be a suggested course of action

but if a couple other things changed (e.g. stick didn't claim exactly a 3) it wouldn't have been

[hasty rivet]

internal pain

Fakeclaimed slayer, a role that isn't a bluff nor in play but at a cost of

• Blindly "shooting" the demon

• Hc-ing at a wheelchair woman who was guided by strings()

• Gets Guessed.

gaming.

[agile iron]

Almost like HCing Damsel isn't a great thing to do /lh

[shrewd rover]

"Keep Doing What You're Doing"

[slender stump]

no dashii win in livevoice after the slayer killed the demon d1

Recorded winrate across all versions:
No Dashii : 4W/7L ≈ 36% evil WR
Imp : 6W/6L ≈ 50% evil WR
Ojo : 5W/6L ≈ 45% evil WR
Fang Gu : 10W/7L ≈ 59% evil WR
Total: 25W/26L ≈ 49% evil WR

[lavish heart]

1 billion losses for no dashii

wait no

i didn´t read farther than slayer shot the demon d1

[warm bluff]

you didn’t read the first three words?

[lavish heart]

i read the first two and then skimmed over the third one

[warm bluff]

(i did the same thing)

[agile iron]

Recorded v1.7 and v1.8 winrates:

• No Dashii : 4W/3L ≈ 57% evil WR
• Imp : 3W/3L ≈ 50% evil WR
• Ojo : 2W/4L ≈ 33% evil WR
• Fang Gu : 4W/5L ≈ 44% evil WR
  Total: 14W/16L ≈ 47% evil WR

That's game number 30 for the most recent versions!

[slender stump]

Now in on-server archive/longtext hall of fame
https://discord.com/channels/569683781800296501/1384399100635517018

[hasty rivet]

Noo not the hall of Fame 😭

[onyx hedge]

HUZZAH

[hasty rivet]

Noo they can't know my damsel fumble

[warm bluff]

to be clear, it’s not in the OSA yet, it’s through the first phase and will now be discussed/voted on by mods/minions/cests during the second phase coming up soon™

[grizzled shuttle]

vati is minions

[warm bluff]

this is true

is it all minions or text minions? idk but my statement was not necessarily exclusive of vati

[keen herald]

Text minions

Well, I assume

[onyx hedge]

where is the archive

[shrewd barn]

Not aure what you refer to

If you're about the channel, it's #slay-the-damsel in "don't delete" category (aka games that passed first phase of OSA). If you're about the on-server archive, it's "Text Game On Server Archive" category.

[slender stump]

I was already double orange when this was posted but didn't have the text role yet so couldn't mention it but it was very funny

[warm bluff]

lmaooo

[grizzled shuttle]

boffin pm IS degenerate foxx was right

[shrewd barn]

True

I believe in Boffin-Philo supremacy

[grizzled shuttle]

i bounced the ojo miss into the puzzledrunk ravenkeeper

[agile iron]

...in a good way?

Recorded winrate across all versions:
No Dashii : 4W/7L ≈ 36% evil WR
Imp : 6W/6L ≈ 50% evil WR
Ojo : 6W/6L ≈ 50% evil WR
Fang Gu : 10W/7L ≈ 59% evil WR
Total: 26W/26L ≈ 50% evil WR

Recorded v1.7 and v1.8 winrates:

• No Dashii : 4W/3L ≈ 57% evil WR
• Imp : 3W/3L ≈ 50% evil WR
• Ojo : 3W/4L ≈ 43% evil WR
• Fang Gu : 4W/5L ≈ 44% evil WR
  Total: 14W/15L ≈ 48% evil WR

[dim bluff]

isnt this 14 wins and 15 losses total

[agile iron]

It is 🤔

I must've made that mistake ages ago looking back at some of the previous messages

[agile iron]

That's not game 30 for the most recent versions! 😔

[onyx hedge]

axo genuine question did you randomize demon type or pick it yourself

[grizzled shuttle]

i randed ojo and built the bag around it

why do you ask?

[onyx hedge]

interesting

i just had a gut feeling that you racked ojo at the beginning of the game

but it was random which was funnier

ngl that’s my favorite type of bag building anyway

[grizzled shuttle]

me? favor the demon i wrote an essay about? never

[onyx hedge]

it was partially that yeah

but also i just hadn’t seen a lot of ojo games recently in general

so it felt the proper time

[warm bluff]

because axo has been tracking your games to predict what demons you haven’t seen recently, i guess

[onyx hedge]

yes exactly

i’m glad you believe the conspiracy too

[warm bluff]

i’m always on board for a conspiracy about axo

[agile iron]

No Wraith here either.

[hasty rivet]

Dang

New role?

[prisma mason]

.

[hasty rivet]

hi

[hasty rivet]

Hello

Welp..

[slender stump]

Please don't spam messages in here

[hasty rivet]

im just gonna say this

if theres any next upcoming Final Nail in the Boffin, may i join as a traveller.

i never seen it played with a traveller and id like to explore that.

[dim bluff]

you should join as the beggar 😉

[slender stump]

you very definitely played a game with a traveller

[hasty rivet]

wait when.

oh god i dont remember..

(i swear i dont have dementia)

[dim bluff]

#cerenovus-best-safety-net

you were the huntsman

gold was the beggar

and the good team gave the begger like all of their votes

[shrewd barn]

#huntsmen-and-hurricanes too (you starting Fang Gu, Gnome was in play)

[hasty rivet]

I keep losing as Fang gu huh..

I have a curse that loses me if I'm FG 😭

[hasty rivet]

@agile iron

Approval to Storytell this script someday this week

I'll be using 1.8 or newest versions if you have any for me to test

[agile iron]

You really don't need anyone's approval to run a script, it's on a public server for everyone to see.

[agile iron]

v1.8 is the (best) most up to date version, yeah

[hasty rivet]

Noted.

[agile iron]

Livevoice game: I think evil won?

Recorded winrate across all versions:
No Dashii : 5W/7L ≈ 42% evil WR
Imp : 6W/6L ≈ 50% evil WR
Ojo : 6W/6L ≈ 50% evil WR
Fang Gu : 10W/7L ≈ 59% evil WR
Total: 27W/26L ≈ 51% evil WR

Recorded v1.7 and v1.8 winrates:

• No Dashii : 5W/3L ≈ 63% evil WR
• Imp : 3W/3L ≈ 50% evil WR
• Ojo : 3W/4L ≈ 43% evil WR
• Fang Gu : 4W/5L ≈ 44% evil WR
  Total: 15W/15L ≈ 50% evil WR

How the turns have tabled

ND highest winrate 😱

[prisma mason]

That’s a really funny boffin amne

[warm bluff]

"they are mad as x" without any rewards or punishments in the ability :(

thats not how madness works!!!!!

[grizzled shuttle]

what is with with livevoice and making weird amnesiacs

[prisma mason]

Oh yeah it sucks

But it’s really funny lol

[warm bluff]

i cant believe they made the lier

[dry ivy]

Odds on it just being new STs seeing Amne and clapping their hands like a baby w a rattle

[agile iron]

This has been uploaded on YouTube by the Grimoire as not a live stream fwiw :D

[keen herald]

Extremely high

Except they're not all new

[thin anvil]

No dashi win

boffin amne - The evil team wake together for 20 seconds each night

[agile iron]

Sick

[agile iron]

Did the game feel close?

[thin anvil]

evil were in the drivers seat for most of the game

but that was due to some great social plays

it never felt like a steamroll though

[agile iron]

Who did the pixie see btw?

Recorded v1.7 and v1.8 winrates:

• No Dashii : 6W/3L ≈ 67% evil WR
• Imp : 3W/3L ≈ 50% evil WR
• Ojo : 3W/4L ≈ 43% evil WR
• Fang Gu : 4W/5L ≈ 44% evil WR
  Total: 16W/15L ≈ 52% evil WR

I think I might end the combined WRs now tbh

They aren't very topical to the current script

[thin anvil]

Oracle

[agile iron]

Running this in #1399512470955102342 come join!

[hasty rivet]

Double Final Nail 🔥

[agile iron]

Livevoice did livevoice-ing

Recorded v1.7 and v1.8 winrates:

• No Dashii : 6W/3L ≈ 67% evil WR
• Imp : 3W/3L ≈ 50% evil WR
• Ojo : 4W/4L ≈ 50% evil WR
• Fang Gu : 4W/5L ≈ 44% evil WR
  Total: 17W/15L ≈ 53% evil WR

I think evil won considering that Areeya was the last to be executed unless there were some slayer shenanigans

[prisma mason]

Boffin recluse is cool

Idk what it impacts here though

Fair enough

[tawdry needle]

So now the demon can die when the Slayer shoots them and can register as the demon to the Fortune Teller, very cool

[prisma mason]

They can register as a minion and not as a demon

[agile iron]

Boffin-Recluse should really only cause 1 malfunction tbh

[agile iron]

Game on Grim Scenarios ended D2 after the Ojo was executed

[agile iron]

Recorded v1.7 and v1.8 winrates:

• No Dashii : 6W/3L ≈ 67% evil WR
• Imp : 3W/3L ≈ 50% evil WR
• Ojo : 4W/5L ≈ 44% evil WR
• Fang Gu : 4W/5L ≈ 44% evil WR
  Total: 17W/16L ≈ 52% evil WR

[agile iron]

Longtext game ended! Marionette-philo-savant, I was starting PM and Dire turned Kenoboi to the Savant . Slayer shot the demon on Day 3.

Recorded v1.7 and v1.8 winrates:

• No Dashii : 6W/3L ≈ 67% evil WR
• Imp : 3W/3L ≈ 50% evil WR
• Ojo : 4W/5L ≈ 44% evil WR
• Fang Gu : 4W/6L ≈ 40% evil WR
  Total: 17W/17L ≈ 50% evil WR

[hasty rivet]

turned and I didn't even get jumped after claiming recluse 💀

Though I did say

I could have misregistered as a minion/demon so the jump won't go through.

[onyx hedge]

how does FG have the lowest winrate now

[agile iron]

No clue lol

[lusty marsh]

✨Variance✨

[hasty rivet]

TFNB, wsg people.

[agile iron]

(This is not a general discussion thread)

[onyx hedge]

Ojo Win on 7p

[grizzled shuttle]

balloonist+0 and a stacked bag are kind of insane for an evil win

and the boffin philo went HUNTSMAN

[shrewd barn]

Actual peak

[onyx hedge]

yeah the idea was stacked town but ojo to snipe them and a philo to snipe a powerful role

and then

they go philo huntsman

Recorded v1.7 and v1.8 winrates:

• No Dashii 6W/3L ≈ 67% evil WR
• Imp 3W/3L ≈ 50% evil WR
• Ojo : 5W/5L = 50% evil WR
• Fang Gu : 4W/6L ≈ 40% evil WR
  Total: 18W/17L ≈ 51% evil WR

[onyx hedge]

ND win!!!!

the savant info was slop

but they never built ND worlds even once

Recorded v1.7 and v1.8 winrates:

• No Dashii 7W/3L = 70% evil WR
• Imp 3W/3L ≈ 50% evil WR
• Ojo : 5W/5L = 50% evil WR
• Fang Gu : 4W/6L ≈ 40% evil WR
  Total: 19W/17L ≈ 53% evil WR

[onyx hedge]

Fang Gu loss, slayer shot them after the RK sniped them

[dim bluff]

fang gu still losing

[onyx hedge]

Recorded v1.7 and v1.8 winrates:

• No Dashii 7W/3L = 70% evil WR
• Imp 3W/3L ≈ 50% evil WR
• Ojo : 5W/5L = 50% evil WR
• Fang Gu : 4W/7L ≈ 36% evil WR
  Total: 19W/18L ≈ 51% evil WR

[shrewd barn]

The flip between FG and ND winrates is really funny

[slender stump]

I still don't believe the individual edition sample sizes are real enough to be worth breaking out

like cc is 85 games and I still consolidate that shit

[onyx hedge]

oh yeah the data is bunk its just fun to look at

[agile iron]

👀

[agile iron]

Do you not have the official Ojo icon?

[onyx hedge]

i dont no

well

i have

but its teeny tiny

[slender stump]

The official server lost a boost so a bunch of the emojis are locked out

[onyx hedge]

oh zamn

wish i didn’t use both my boosts on this server

[agile iron]

Longtext evil win!

See #1399512470955102342 for details

Recorded v1.7 and v1.8 winrates:

• No Dashii : 7W/3L = 70% evil WR
• Imp 4W/3L ≈ 57% evil WR
• Ojo : 5W/5L = 50% evil WR
• Fang Gu : 4W/7L ≈ 36% evil WR
  Total: 20W/18L ≈ 53% evil WR

[wheat kayak]

this is a fun script

[onyx hedge]

quite so

[elder oasis]

Amne???

[agile iron]

Each night*: learn if you whispered exactly one evil player.

[agile iron]

👀

No Dashii winstreak continues ig

Recorded v1.7 and v1.8 winrates:

• No Dashii : 8W/3L = 73% evil WR
• Imp 4W/3L ≈ 57% evil WR
• Ojo : 5W/5L = 50% evil WR
• Fang Gu : 4W/7L ≈ 36% evil WR
  Total: 21W/18L ≈ 54% evil WR

[main marlin]

tbf Boffed Balloonist with Dashi is fairly strong

no evil player bluffed Balloonist so good built Fang Gu until F3 where they considered Boffin

[agile iron]

Evil played well so I'm fine with it tbh

I assume at least

With the ND starpass

[main marlin]

yep!!!

[wheat kayak]

I'm amused by the Ben Burns censoring

[hasty rivet]

Boffin nailed the Final nail in the Boffin.

Idk what I'm doing but I feel like this script is kinda just being forgotten now slowly.

And honestly, if I ever get to sub to BOTC pateron this would be the first thing I'm going to ST w/ just how many I played.(5-7 times, this included LONGTEXT and livetext if there were any)

[shrewd barn]

I feel like that's not true

[hasty rivet]

Going back, I think this is one of the few scripts I enjoy.

is so underratedly unexplored and this is fun to just have it be on its potential max potentiality

Im excited to see what other crazy shit the Boffin may go with 👀

👸 also feels erm, harmful to Demon.

[shrewd barn]

It feels useless at best, since Demon can just not nominate.
And Princess is bluffable by majority of Demons by just sinking.
And it's not on Final Nail really

[hasty rivet]

Going back, I think this is one of the few scripts I enjoy.

is so underratedly unexplored and this is fun to just have it be on its potential max potentiality

[hasty rivet]

Whoops didn't mean to do that

[hasty rivet]

True

[agile iron]

v1.6 was ran on the grimoire server!

[grizzled shuttle]

oo, throwback

[hasty rivet]

Hell yeah 🔥

[shrewd barn]

Least confusing Amne ability

[amber ledge]

Not sure if you knew and if it interests you, but the script was streamed last night. I just watched it and thought it was a good game.
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2560682209?t=01h44m00s

[agile iron]

Ending grim: Ojo Win!
-# everyone in the image likely consented to them being recorded and posted to social media, so I presumed I didn't need to censor people's faces? Someone correct me if I'm wrong and I'll change it.

Recorded v1.7 and v1.8 winrates:

• No Dashii : 8W/3L = 73% evil WR
• Imp 4W/3L ≈ 57% evil WR
• Ojo : 6W/5L = 55% evil WR
• Fang Gu : 4W/7L ≈ 36% evil WR
  Total: 22W/18L ≈ 55% evil WR

Game 40!! 🥳
-# of the most recent versions

[hasty rivet]

HELL YEAH

[prisma spoke]

insane how famg gu is the worst performing demon lol

[lusty marsh]

variance variance variance

[agile iron]

The data is pretty meaningless given the low sample size, it's just fun to see lol

[wheat kayak]

Possibly been answered earlier -- are there fancy PDFs of this script anywhere?

[main marlin]

if not, that can be changed

[main marlin]

@agile iron i'll probably remaster it at some point, but what colour do you associate this script with most?

[agile iron]

Like a Red/Crimson probably?

[keen herald]

Is there a little bit of silver too for the nail? 👀

[agile iron]

Oh that'd be fire if possible

Idm either way tho

[main marlin]

i'll see what I can do but I'm doing basic hue shifting on the classic TB/BMR/SNV backgrounds (I haven't got an explicit background artwork done yet to use for stuff like this)

so it might come out dodgy (if so I'll just keep it crimson)

[warm bluff]

no the red is because the nail is rusty and covered in blood

[keen herald]

...so a little bit of silver is still there

[warm bluff]

where

[keen herald]

The nail

Unless you mean it's completely encrusted in blood and rust

[warm bluff]

yes that is exactly what i meant

[wheat kayak]

YOOOO

[agile iron]

🤩

I didn't quite realise the trouble brewing implications lol, but it's still fire. Thanks Delta!

[hasty rivet]

GOD DAMN 🔥

[warm bluff]

telling my kids this was tb

[grizzled shuttle]

TB has a vizier on it so

[hasty rivet]

FNITB 🔥

Wow this channel is dead.

[warm bluff]

you really don’t need to post that

there’ll be discussion when there’s something to discuss

[hasty rivet]

If I had a 0.01¢ for everytime I played Final Nail, I would have I believe around 0.10¢, which isn't a lot but it's kinda crazy

Anyways I don't know what to say about Final Nail

It's great

It's really underrated

I'm kinda sad it's slowly losing popularity.

[wheat kayak]

it is? I haven't noticed as much

it's not currently being run in longtext, but basically every script is periodically absent from the queue

[prisma mason]

Basically no custom is played constantly

[hasty rivet]

True..

[odd oracle]

Except Extension Cord

[grizzled shuttle]

eh, even that's been losing some popularity recently

it's well-known and well-renowned but i hardly see it played

[lusty marsh]

Irl I see it played

[grizzled shuttle]

evil win in an Ojo game!

[agile iron]

Ooh

Recorded v1.7 and v1.8 winrates:

• No Dashii : 8W/3L = 73% evil WR
• Imp 4W/3L ≈ 57% evil WR
• Ojo : 7W/5L = 58% evil WR
• Fang Gu : 4W/7L ≈ 36% evil WR
  Total: 23W/18L ≈ 56% evil WR

[warm bluff]

fang gu being the only one with a negative wr and not by a small amount is fascinating

i’m fully aware this isnt statistically significant data tho

[grizzled shuttle]

if I had to guess, people overbuild Fang Gu bags as being really strong and counterbalance too hard?

[hasty rivet]

Hell yeah, Ojo Win

[agile iron]

Return of Final Nail livevoice 👀

Not a clue what Glowbean was lol

Recorded v1.7 and v1.8 winrates:

• No Dashii : 8W/4L = 67% evil WR
• Imp 4W/3L ≈ 57% evil WR
• Ojo : 7W/5L = 58% evil WR
• Fang Gu : 4W/7L ≈ 36% evil WR
  Total: 23W/19L ≈ 55% evil WR

[slender stump]

The boffin giving the demon philo-ft

[grizzled shuttle]

oh so when I run final nail in livevoice it's crickets but when kame runs it it's a "return"

😒

[hasty rivet]

#Axolatordeservesbetter

[agile iron]

I said that with both games in mind

[grizzled shuttle]

suuuure 🙄

[agile iron]

Good win!

Recorded v1.7 and v1.8 winrates:

• No Dashii : 8W/4L = 67% evil WR
• Imp 4W/4L ≈ 50% evil WR
• Ojo : 7W/5L = 58% evil WR
• Fang Gu : 4W/7L ≈ 36% evil WR
  Total: 23W/20L ≈ 53% evil WR

[onyx hedge]

imp mentioned!!!

imp wasn’t getting enough love

[onyx hedge]

Ojo loss

Ojo killed the FT, then the balloon, then the unspent slayer and unspent pixie slayer

i was like damn theyre on a roll

then both minions nommed and killed themselves and outted evil on f3

so there basically was only 1 world

fish info was used d1 and the demon asked guidance on who to kill so i just said "kill the FT"

maybe should have said balloonist? unsure

Recorded v1.7 and v1.8 winrates:

• No Dashii 8W/4L = 67% evil WR
• Imp 4W/4L ≈ 50% evil WR
• Ojo 7W/6L ≈ 54% evil WR
• Fang Gu 4W/7L ≈ 36% evil WR
  Total: 23W/21L ≈ 52% evil WR

[agile iron]

👀

[onyx hedge]

evil win

[onyx hedge]

Recorded v1.7 and v1.8 winrates:

• No Dashii 9W/4L ≈ 69% evil WR
• Imp 4W/4L ≈ 50% evil WR
• Ojo 7W/6L ≈ 54% evil WR
• Fang Gu 4W/7L ≈ 36% evil WR
  Total: 24W/21L ≈ 53% evil WR

[warm bluff]

waiter! waiter! another win for the no dashii!

[prisma mason]

5 months ago this would have been incredible news

[agile iron]

Fang Gu good win

Recorded v1.7 and v1.8 winrates:

• No Dashii : 8W/4L = 67% evil WR
• Imp : 4W/4L ≈ 50% evil WR
• Ojo : 7W/6L ≈ 54% evil WR
• Fang Gu : 4W/8L ≈ 33% evil WR
  Total: 23W/22L ≈ 51% evil WR

Game ((((((((((45!)!)!)!)!)!)!)!)!)!)!

I love how the FG and ND winrates are reversed lol

[shrewd barn]

Same

[onyx hedge]

what was the boffin ability

[agile iron]

Amne I think

Idk the ability

[hasty rivet]

I wonder what the Marionette was..

-# who thinks they are a /j

[agile iron]

Evil Imp win on Grim Scenarios server. Don't have grim. Have characters however:
Imp
Scarlet Woman
Cerenovus
Puzzlemaster
Recluse
Amnesiac x3
Fortune Teller
Oracle (puzzledrunk)
Savant
Slayer
Evil Win

Recorded v1.7 and v1.8 winrates:

• No Dashii : 8W/4L = 67% evil WR
• Imp : 5W/4L ≈ 56% evil WR
• Ojo : 7W/6L ≈ 54% evil WR
• Fang Gu : 4W/8L ≈ 33% evil WR
  Total: 24W/22L ≈ 52% evil WR

[devout obsidian]

3 Amnesiacs?

[agile iron]

Idk

[devout obsidian]

😭

[devout obsidian]

Ig There are extra Amnesiacs in play [+2 Amnesiacs, all have the same ability]

[agile iron]

I hope they weren't all just blank tokens + [extra amnesiac] tbh

[devout obsidian]

It confirms 3 players so ig its not that bad but fair

[shrewd barn]

"amnesiac x 3"

[agile iron]

Yeah

[keen herald]

I find it difficult to believe there have been over 10^56 games run of this script but go off I guess

Hiding faces with the Boffin icon will never not be funny to me

[agile iron]

I'm gonna add more exclamation marks out of spite :p

[keen herald]

I wonder if any countable quantity in the universe gets that high

Probably not

(countable as in you can't just shrink your units down indefinitely to make numbers bigger)

[grizzled shuttle]

the number of Ws I take on a daily basis

[warm bluff]

extremely loud incorrect buzzer

[grizzled shuttle]

excuse you, i have a triple-digit follower count on hit site tumblr dot com

also i look like this (real)

[warm bluff]

triple digit Ls you’re taking daily then

[high quartz]

Ran this. Evil won. The Demon was on the block in F8, but never got put up again after bing lifted

Savant info was a bit confusing since I still left Imp words open, even on D4 when I was eplicitly trying to signal FG

Moral of the story: dont rely on ST roles as the main info sourc if you arent prepared to do good info later in game

[onyx hedge]

fang gu win!!!

[high quartz]

Savant info was

Neighbors are not the same character type/ no townfolks learned false info tonight

An evil character has caused there to be more outsiders than should be/ there is a scarlet woman in play

Theres a dead imp or at least one alive townsfolk is drunk or poisoned

A demon has died at night this game or the cerenovus is one of my living neighbors

[onyx hedge]

Recorded v1.7 and v1.8 winrates:
No Dashii 8W/4L = 67% evil WR
Imp 5W/4L ≈ 56% evil WR
Ojo : 7W/6L ≈ 54% evil WR
Fang Gu : 5W/8L ≈ 38% evil WR
Total: 25W/22L ≈ 53% evil WR

oops didnt mean to reply

sorry dylan

[high quartz]

Fish was to focus on Ginger. Which did exactly what I wanted: get the PM shot by Slayer

[high quartz]

oh wait Fang Gu had the lowest wr?

thats suprising

[onyx hedge]

quite

it also used to have the highest by far

[high quartz]

Wait what changed?

[onyx hedge]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lusty marsh]

god rolled some dice

[slender stump]

Random chance

(I disagree pretty strongly with the decision to stop counting pre-1.7 versions because the script looks very similar over time and the cutoff date makes recent random fluctuations look meaningful rather than clarifying that all the demons are close to even)

[agile iron]

Idm being pinged fwiw

[agile iron]

I mean the data really wasn't that meaningful in the first place tbf

[hasty rivet]

Damn, the Fang gu is getting steamrolled by Good.

[onyx hedge]

i mean it does help limit confounding variables in the long run when we can replicate games enough to have statistically significant data

[warm bluff]

the data isn’t meaningful yet regardless imo, it’s interesting to look at but not something the script should be warped around

[keen herald]

The overall winrate is at the point where it's a little meaningful imo

[agile iron]

Fang Gu loss + Ojo loss

Recorded v1.7 and v1.8 winrates:
No Dashii : 8W/4L = 67% evil WR
Imp : 5W/4L ≈ 56% evil WR
Ojo : 7W/7L ≈ 50% evil WR
Fang Gu : 5W/9L ≈ 36% evil WR
Total: 25W/24L ≈ 51% evil WR

[grizzled shuttle]

fang gu win off a damsel guess!

50th game after the 1.7 cutoff :O

@agile iron