#Ride the Cyclone

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wary scroll
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yeah theoretically a game could end before the king even gets any info

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due to a jump from king trigger to Al-had win

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it’s more the case in smaller games

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but like 7 to 5 to 2 alive

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king ain’t getting shit

quaint heart
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Princess on the other hand I’m loving

ashen mango
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princess is goated

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that works

quaint heart
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Very good suggestion bhamber

wary scroll
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thank you :]

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everyone slanders the abstain mindset until they see it ||not|| happen

ashen mango
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hear me out

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grandmother?

wary scroll
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Grammy??????

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dawg that’s unbluffable

ashen mango
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lol and

wary scroll
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fair enough I guess

ashen mango
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dont pick the grandchild lol

buoyant moth
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its fine just make the grandmother see themselves

wary scroll
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truuuuuuuueeee

ashen mango
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what about juggler?

wary scroll
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solo demon

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oooo

ashen mango
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yeah and juggler princess sucks

wary scroll
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Engineer?

quaint heart
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Engineer I’d want a 5th Minion

buoyant moth
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i think there's an obvious choice here tho

quaint heart
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Because of 13+ Games with Boffin

buoyant moth
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as in

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obvious for the engie

wary scroll
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oh

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yeah xaan oof

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sentinel 🔥

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Passage of Time strats coming in clutch

buoyant moth
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you typically just swap out Xaan unfortunately in base base 2

ashen mango
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i like Dreamer as a boomdandy solver?

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could be cool

buoyant moth
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sentinel just makes you always swap from Xaan

quaint heart
buoyant moth
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no misinfo is huge

wary scroll
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undertaker?

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maybe?

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weird with boom but like

ashen mango
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cannibal goes hard

quaint heart
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Plus Dreamer without analysing various worlds is boring. It’s just “are you a minion? Are you a demon?”

wary scroll
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paradox doesn't want any more jinxes

quaint heart
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We’re at capacity

buoyant moth
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what is there for Undertaker to do tho

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there's no Drunk or Spy/Recluse

wary scroll
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yeah it's not the greatest

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there's just not many options

quaint heart
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I think it’s just WW/Lib maybe

buoyant moth
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yeah

quaint heart
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Probably WW as it’s more useful Boffin

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And what I had prior to King

ashen mango
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why not just steward

wary scroll
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it's weak dreamer with none of the world limiter 😔

wary scroll
ashen mango
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idk to me WW cooks on Tb purely because spy exists

wary scroll
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yeah i don't really like WW outside of TB

buoyant moth
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WW is amazing with Spy + Drunk

wary scroll
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but this 13th townsfolk has gotta be a necessary evil

ashen mango
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like TB cooked so fucking hard

buoyant moth
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not great Boffin stuff but Town Crier here for minion finding

wary scroll
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i always feel slightly sad whenever i see witchless-TC

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but it is something that benefits from Princess

fast leaf
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can we just do philo, that worked fine

buoyant moth
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its cool with Preacher

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philo is good too

wary scroll
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philo VI?

quaint heart
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BH jinx

buoyant moth
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Preacher + TC is fun bc the Preacher really wants good TC info

quaint heart
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God I don’t want 4 jinxes but is it a necessary evil 😭

wary scroll
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cannibal...

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have cannibal be your 4th...

fast leaf
buoyant moth
wary scroll
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listen al-had/princess isn't a real jinx

buoyant moth
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5 or 6 becomes really annoying from a player pov

quaint heart
buoyant moth
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the jinxes here too are fairly simple besides MM

wary scroll
chrome hinge
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They don't unless it's snitch or pd

ashen mango
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snitch is obvious no?

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like it counts

chrome hinge
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It's a fine jinx

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But it's a real jinx

ashen mango
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oh wait

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THATS the snitch jinx?

chrome hinge
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As opposed to balloonist which probably doesn't technically need to exist considering that marionette already had implicit setup mod so why not do more

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What did you think it was

buoyant moth
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its bc in 1 minion games the Demon loses out on extra info

ashen mango
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but reading what it actually is it checks out

chrome hinge
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That's part of it

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Have you been livevoice brainwashed into not considering 1 minion games

ashen mango
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yes

wary scroll
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hmmmmmm signalling to the poppygrown demon they have a mario by putting a snitch in play so they get extra bluffs.......... new BFFs setup just dropped 👀

ashen mango
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i thought Snitch in 1 Minion-Mario was just L lol

wary scroll
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sorry paradox we'll go back to RTC chat

quaint heart
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Screaming crying throwing up at agreeing cannibal is probably the best choice here

wary scroll
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paradox all i'm saying is i can edit the image for you

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we don't have to acknowledge princess/al-had

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it's really only 3 jinxes

quaint heart
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No it needs to be authentic for the site

wary scroll
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oh rip

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well if you're going on the site, maybe you can complain to TPI

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maybe they'll listen to world-renowned script author Paradox

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OOH!

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BOOTLEGGER

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"the al-had and princess aren't jinxed"

buoyant moth
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boom

fast leaf
buoyant moth
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and engineer!

quaint heart
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Philos a good option too

wary scroll
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cannibal should be encouraging evil player executions and eating the scraps they get

buoyant moth
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well Canni TT is meant to prefer blue over red

fast leaf
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canni distorts early game execution incentives harder than any other role in the game

buoyant moth
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and also

wary scroll
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perhaps but it cooks with princess

buoyant moth
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good players really like killing themselves

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add a cannibal in there and they'll just do it for free

wary scroll
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boomdandy on script, it's fine 🔥

fast leaf
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at that point it just becomes sloggy

quaint heart
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Town crier’s probably fine

buoyant moth
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I think TC here is cool with Preacher

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I like the team up

wary scroll
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and any each night* character benefits from princess

quaint heart
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And it doesn’t need to be boffin compatible

buoyant moth
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Whenever TF go on a script I think the coolest part of the consideration process is the team ups

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I love Preacher + Math, given the right script

quaint heart
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That’s script making delta 😂

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But I get that

buoyant moth
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yeah but considering the Minions & Demons is a little less fun because thats where most ideas die

ashen mango
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TT isnt real

buoyant moth
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"Ohhh I love Preacher here... fuck Psycho is here"

ashen mango
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ima be real

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what about

azure jewel
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I don't think there's a perfect option here

ashen mango
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straight up investigator

wary scroll
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dawg

azure jewel
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I think King cooks and pixlate have you lost your mind

buoyant moth
wary scroll
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but actually preacher psycho is great cause if you forgot who you preached, and the psycho swings, you know you didn't preach the psycho

quaint heart
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King is cooking the wrong cuisine

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Invest…

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Nah we have BH

wary scroll
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paradox watching the stock market

buoyant moth
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I can see the vision

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I just need a bit of convincing

ashen mango
quaint heart
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I like BH more

azure jewel
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it's bh's lil bro

buoyant moth
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Because it's strong here

wary scroll
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wait i just came up with an awesome idea

ashen mango
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put on Invest

buoyant moth
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and BH is here

wary scroll
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holy shit, gang listen up

ashen mango
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Seamstress

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just do it

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put seamstress on

wary scroll
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Wraith script called "Insider Trading"

buoyant moth
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no BH here is better than Invest

ashen mango
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WAIT!

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WAIT!

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slayer.

azure jewel
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idk, I think King should get dropped for something that wants to live

buoyant moth
azure jewel
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WW/Lib isn't that and Cannibal feels off

buoyant moth
quaint heart
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Pixelate

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Dawg

ashen mango
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WHAT

azure jewel
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It's half a knight

quaint heart
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Please evacuate

azure jewel
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redundancy 100

ashen mango
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IT KILLS THE DEMON???

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it wants to live

quaint heart
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Alsaahir

buoyant moth
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I think Slayer on not SW scripts is extremely expert

wary scroll
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two half a knights, hope it's the same set of knight pings

ashen mango
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because it has higher chance late game

buoyant moth
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And it conflicts with Alsa

ashen mango
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FUCK

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virgin

azure jewel
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no!!!!

wary scroll
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it's synergy cause the slayer can shoot the demon and then the alsaahir can guess the shot player as demon

buoyant moth
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terrible with boffin

ashen mango
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magician

buoyant moth
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hmmm

azure jewel
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Pixlate you're just saying words

buoyant moth
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i like magician but is it good here

quaint heart
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Magician was fine but Boffin routinely broke it

fast leaf
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magician was on here and the boffin kind of bullied it

ashen mango
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axo you are my greatest opp

buoyant moth
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i keep having to scroll up

azure jewel
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poppygrower :)

wary scroll
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wait i know

buoyant moth
wary scroll
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nvm

buoyant moth
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huge

wary scroll
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i was gonna suggest engineer again

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but then i remembered why that's bad

buoyant moth
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i love Engineer because its like

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A sledgehammer

ashen mango
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WAIT

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genreal

buoyant moth
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when you just put it on a script

ashen mango
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just

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do it

wary scroll
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pixlate you're surreal for that

buoyant moth
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I like General but I don't think players love general enough to want to live

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and there's not enough day to day swing

ashen mango
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idk

buoyant moth
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there's alot of swing in 1 day from Boom + MM

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but not swing over days

azure jewel
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HP and General feels hacky

wary scroll
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we gave this chimpanzee the general token and he chose to al-had die during setup

azure jewel
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like amne is already onscript

ashen mango
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fuck NOTHING WORKS

buoyant moth
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i think General being a Boffed BH detector is kinda cool

ashen mango
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THIS SCRIPT SUCKS

wary scroll
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pixlate crashout 😔

ashen mango
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PARAAAAAA

wary scroll
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listen maybe the problem is you pixlate

north lance
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Town Crier feels alright?

buoyant moth
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i claim psycho and kill pixlate

ashen mango
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ok

buoyant moth
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boom

ashen mango
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calm

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clockmaker

azure jewel
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lycanthrope 🔥🔥🔥

wary scroll
buoyant moth
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clock with boom

wary scroll
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wait no it's not nvm

buoyant moth
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🔥

ashen mango
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i dont wanna hear it from mr "passage of time"

buoyant moth
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i love thrall boom

quaint heart
ashen mango
wary scroll
ashen mango
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its MID RAGHGHGHGHGHG

buoyant moth
north lance
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town crier and general are like the two decent options

ashen mango
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PUT A BOFFIN ON IT

wary scroll
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boffin is like optimal engineer pick

buoyant moth
ashen mango
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seamstress

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just go

azure jewel
ashen mango
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😔

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dog its gonna jump the QUEUE so RHF doesnt get posted

buoyant moth
ashen mango
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oh yeah and ekin reads SAD

azure jewel
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he does yeah

buoyant moth
ashen mango
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script a day

buoyant moth
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oh

quaint heart
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RtC’s there twice (pending 3 times) so clearly it’s the best

wary scroll
buoyant moth
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i thought it was like "oh yeah and ekin reads**,** SAD"

wary scroll
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lmao

buoyant moth
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i am not smart...

abstract socket
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Okay ill just wait until the strom is over to update my sheets xD

ashen mango
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delta it’s ok you’re my joat

buoyant moth
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whats a joat

wary scroll
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joe biden of all time

quaint heart
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But I warned ya

buoyant moth
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idk whats new slang anymore and if joat is like "the goat but evil"

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or a typo

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you gotta ask

lime vapor
ashen mango
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btw making a Psycho Wizard Boffin Organ Grinder Tomb like is possible

lime vapor
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Clearly, the script needs Acrobat. Obviously.

ashen mango
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but alas, Passage of Time is cringe

buoyant moth
wary scroll
abstract socket
ashen mango
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no i love POT

lime vapor
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Look, if General was run RAW I'd pick live every time cuz that info's USEFUL

ashen mango
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it’s goated

lime vapor
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But 5 star is big meh

ashen mango
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what’s wrong with 5 star

lime vapor
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everything

wary scroll
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paradox runs 3 star tbf

buoyant moth
ashen mango
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tbh 5 star cooks cuz the swings feel swingier

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it’s script dependent tho

buoyant moth
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just wish to be the Boffin and not have your demon get snake charmed n1

ashen mango
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like RHF is v 5 star coded

buoyant moth
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3 star is a bit easier to parse on why the opinion changed

ashen mango
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idk maybe POT needs more “content”?

wary scroll
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it's an organ grinder script

ashen mango
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am i going insane

wary scroll
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what is your definition of content, dawg

azure jewel
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like, my brain is not big enough to handle 5 star and the General's isn't either

ashen mango
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i might try doing 3 star for a lil bit

buoyant moth
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rn I'm very happy with TPOT (the T is important btw so we pronounce it Teapot) but I'll revise it as its tested and the like

azure jewel
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at least people know what good/neutral/evil mean

ashen mango
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but like 3 star on RHF i think genuinely cries and dies

azure jewel
ashen mango
buoyant moth
ashen mango
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so like is hatter viable?

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cuz that’s peak

buoyant moth
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Hatter was there but Shabaloth is extremely bad with it in smaller games

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Bag building issue but its true

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Also it makes the Shabaloth too good at being a closer late game if its a late swap anyways

ashen mango
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idk i’m on my wizard maxxing era

buoyant moth
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Wizard is free to wish for a Hatter (but I'm pricing Shabaloth swaps by making counting the Shabaloth as choosing the last Demon kill)

azure jewel
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hey this is RtC

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shoo shoo

buoyant moth
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yeah sorry lol

azure jewel
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Hatter RtC is washed

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heres the thing paradox

buoyant moth
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my vote is TC, General, or Cannibal, with TC leading and Cannibal being 2nd

azure jewel
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i don't think there is a perfect 13th Townsfolk

buoyant moth
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I do really like TC here

ashen mango
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unfortunately there aren’t enough townsfolk in the game

azure jewel
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General feels hacky and increases ST compexity a bit, Cannibal leans harder onto the Princess train and adds a jinx, and TC is basic bitch scriptbuilding

ashen mango
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paradox why don’t you write the ideal homebrew character

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and we’ll find a close one

azure jewel
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shadowed intentions core

ashen mango
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god is that how that script was made

azure jewel
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But it's the best of a few subpar options

buoyant moth
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yeah

ashen mango
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scriptbuilders treat TC and FG like mayo and piss istg

buoyant moth
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none are great but thats the issue with nicher design spaces like RtC has carved itself into

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the Townsfolk pool becomes very tight

ashen mango
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what about mayor

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like

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unironically

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just rule it that the mayor never bounces

buoyant moth
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well problem is that F3 is kind of unlikely to happenb

ashen mango
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wait shit yeah al had

buoyant moth
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its fine there's Boffin Mayor !!!!

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with Mayor

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if they choose die

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then the kill bounces

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then all live

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so all die

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you can bounce again right

abstract socket
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So whats the conclusion?

quaint heart
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Unsure tbh

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Town Crier, Cannibal, Philosopher, WW/Lib are fair candidates

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I think I’m leaning to Philo but it’s not certain

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Maybe oracle? As like a UT alernative

abstract socket
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Playtesting will know 🙂

quaint heart
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precisely 😌

north lance
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Prepare for lots of Philo Savants

quaint heart
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Could Flowergirl be an option? I don't really have a Demon Finder and out of Flowergirl and Fortune Teller I think Flowergirl might be slightly better?

north lance
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Flowergirl feels wrong without Demon mobility or Vortox, but it could work

quaint heart
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Xaan's your Vortox here

north lance
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I guess they don't have that many nights to narrow it down and Xaan's pretty good with it

quaint heart
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Also I've always thought FLowergirl and mobility is too much- Fang Gu on SnV is how it fights it because all info is true but on customs I think immobile demons is what makes Flowergirl nice

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and Xaan/PM are ways to temper it

wary scroll
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but then, what about 10p games?

quaint heart
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i mean same logic

wary scroll
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yeah

north lance
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What's wrong with 10 players

quaint heart
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Can be Xaan, can be Boffin PM, just faster too

north lance
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This script definitely has enough misinfo for Flowergirl imo

wary scroll
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i think flowergirl benefits more from princess day than FT

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or like it has the vibe of benefitting more

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so better synergy

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but FT can just luck out and find dimmon really early, which i think is actually interesting with Mastermind

chrome hinge
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I mean false info helps but only so much

quaint heart
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true

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but also I cant have Flowergirl because then it's 1 step away from the official all experimental script 😔 /j

stone breach
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Evil win via Mastermind

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this is 5.1 tho

quaint heart
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Very cool 😄 And seems like a late game one too!

stone breach
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Both me and the demon were sure one of the living players would pick to die, but somehow they all picked live. It was wild

quaint heart
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Al Had Game Theory pops off

stark agate
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#1274771230532304898 message

What about King > Artiest?

I know there is already a fisherman, but they do work well with each other. They have incentive to stay alive till mid game mostly. It’s bluffable for Xann, good with boffin etc…

quaint dew
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Artist is a very strong Townsfolk

fiery ginkgo
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What's the most recent version of this script?

quaint dew
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On Sects and Violets it's balanced by the amouunt of misinformation and the fact the Demon can move

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here it might be too strong

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For example, it can narrow down the Demon candidates to half the living players by day 1

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That's already a lot better than Knight

quaint heart
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But i wanna try Flowergirl

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But as Autumn points out it’s very strong

quaint dew
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Flowergirl is similar strength to Artist

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Probably even stronger over time

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I'd probably prefer Artist to Flowergirl

quaint heart
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@ashen mango You might be right btw 😔 BH, King -> Investigator, Philo could be the direction

ashen mango
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thank god no more BH 🙏

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does magician work btw?

quaint heart
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Boffin beats it too easily

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Like I think Magician is great here

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But idk if I want Boffin to be such an easy counter

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Like too easy

ashen mango
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well its funny

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magician vs. boffin investigator lol

quaint heart
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I think with how core Boffin is plus the fact that it's only 1 Demon Type, I think Magician is really cool but doesnt quite fit

ashen mango
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i mean

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poppy?

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or is that insane

quaint heart
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Poppy is insane

ashen mango
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but my boffin invest

quaint heart
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but maybe lol

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I was initially scared about Investigator because it's giving other roles like Golem, Princess, Preacher a very easy time with using their abilities but then at the same time, BH did that but better- cause there's 1 choice as opposed to 2 with Investigator

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Plus I do like Investigator's interactions with Balloonist, Alsaahir, and even something like Klutz and Xaan

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I liked BH cause it was an extra evil but I dont think it's core to this version of the script... maybe in the future 🙂‍↕️

ashen mango
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paradox takes the pixlatepill

quaint heart
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#event-listings message Scheduled game to test out the Pixlatepill apprently. Philo is always a good suggestion and I think I like diet-BH (Investigator) here too

buoyant moth
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I think Investigator plays better but I did love BH Boffin

quaint heart
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I just want +1 Evil sometimes 😂

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Make it an amne ability fr

buoyant moth
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Boffin Amne to fill that bounty hunter shaped hole in your RtC shaped heart

quaint heart
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not even BH shaped, BH Setup Text shape 😂

wary scroll
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it has fun al-had interactions when they and their friend get picked

quaint heart
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though Ogre is fun

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but like not a role I think would make the script tbh

wary scroll
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wtf is ogre jinxed with on there

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oh boffin

quaint dew
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ye

patent parcel
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Especially since Princess is covering the Golem niche.

quaint heart
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So probably not lol

patent parcel
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I mentioned the Boffin jinx.

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But yeah, fair enough.

lime vapor
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The correct TF to add is Atheist and I will accept no substitutes

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(unironically I think it'd be a fun Atheist script even though I know it's not what Paradox is going for)

buoyant moth
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Bhamber goes "man the al-hadikhia abstained after a princess nom guess i must be the demon"

then i say his exact evil team as a joke (it was correct). i believed he was good.

quaint heart
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Ok! Did a bunch of small game playtesting with Inv + Philo and some thoughts:

  • I think the script really needs a semi-hidden outsider. I think it just helps with world-building a lot but Damsel/Mutant/Drunk aren't the way to go and On-Death ones aren't quite hidden enough; so maybe with some jinx re-jigging and/or saying f*ck it something like Poli/Ogre comes on
  • Investigator probs a bit too strong lol :p Like BH just knowing an evil is fine
  • Philo was good but I knew that lol
  • Current version just quite good sided
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So I think I might wanna take a few steps back and see what other approach can be done

wary scroll
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Investigator was the MVP for good winning like every one of those games

quaint heart
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Like it didn't feel overpowered for sure

wary scroll
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Bad invest bluff leads to evil defeat, invest leads to alsaahir instantly guessing correctly, invest tells us there’s a mastermind so there’s never an MM win, two invest pings alive means there’s really just two demon candidates cause they’re outside of the pings

quaint heart
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But I think it's too reliable

wary scroll
quaint heart
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Maybe from an ST jumping from convo to convo it didnt but a player it was too helpful yeah

fast leaf
buoyant moth
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as players it collapsed worlds alot

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i think poli is genuinely the answer here but i get that its a hard sell due to the jinxes

quaint heart
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maybe this could be V6 🤔

  • Village Idiot was useful but I think very strong on this script; buffed with Princess. Swapping them out for like Seamstress allows Seamstress, Balloonist, and TC to be an alignment checking squad instead
  • VI going means I can swap in Poli as like a hidden outsider because I think this script needs it because there's no real downside to outsiders coming out. Plus it's an extra half-evil which is healthy for the script
  • TC is not a bad fit with Princess and hidden Minions and stuff but flexible spot
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buoyant moth
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VI going is a smart way to drop a jinx, since I think Snitch made VI redundant kind of too

wary scroll
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seamstress is so peak as well

quaint heart
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Plus VI's just strong too. It came on because I had no evil pointers but Princess helps give D1 stuff

wary scroll
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they might want to hold cause of xaan 1, and princess gives them extra incentive to stick around

quaint heart
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hashtag @ashen mango did not cook

wary scroll
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i'm happy that philo VI is no longer a thing as well

azure jewel
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philo poli 🤩

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no but this is heat

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big fan of seamstress/poli here

buoyant moth
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i think this def helps swing the script back to being more evil favoured, i wonder if its a step too far but thats what playtesting is for

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tbf I think that the playtest version we just did was like 60-70% good win rate vibes to it

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@stark agate @abstract socket hopefully you guys aren't too attached to current printed versions 🤣

buoyant moth
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so its a massive swing to become evil favoured

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buoyant moth
quaint heart
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That's fair

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what was the BH version lol

buoyant moth
abstract socket
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i just dont bother laminating then xD

buoyant moth
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ignore the weird JPEG compression on the banner

soft plinth
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PD!!!

buoyant moth
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no idea why that happens in the PDF

soft plinth
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damsel!!!

wary scroll
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not even a princess on there

buoyant moth
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this is a very old version but this script has changed 4/5 times since this was printed so i'm just waiting for now

quaint heart
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Yes please do 😂

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But that's a fine version but not a fan of Huntsman-Damsel

buoyant moth
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this was also the first version i played and i quite like it

quaint heart
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and Poli can fit youir extra evil needs

azure jewel
quaint heart
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RtC's always been pretty nice tbh it's now trying to get it like near perfect (perfect wont exist lol but let's try)

buoyant moth
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paradox I may run your new version tonight if you're happy with me testing it out

quaint heart
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run any version and lemme know lol

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just... just not investigator lol, that's too strong

buoyant moth
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its online so if you have the new json that'd be cool

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buoyant moth
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yippee!!!

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the (16) is so relatable lol

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lusty moon
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Voudon princess is interesting.

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buoyant moth
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voudon is on TPOT too. scripts with tons of death love a good old voudon

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i think voudon suits al-had scripts alot too

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makes the choice even more interesting

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rn my choices for tonights game is Contempt or Ride the Cyclone]

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hard choice...

quaint heart
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both are good

buoyant moth
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i only have 1 game bc its an ST rotation night

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i'll prob go with RtC since i'm in an al-had mood for sure

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i can't run a Wizard script because they asked for simpler customs (which in our group is code for "not Wizard/Legion/Heretic")

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so thats why TPOTs off the table lol

quaint heart
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Fair enough yeah

ashen mango
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big fan of poli

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especially just straight up going

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I AM THE POLI I AM PICKING TO LIVE

stark agate
quaint heart
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I'll let folks know when a final Verison will be made that I'll just accept until new characters drop

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stark agate
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The year is 2026. RTC v556 is now out! 😇😋

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Honestly, it is really good. And I like how it has evolved. I am only teasing 🙂

stark agate
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@buoyant moth If you do run it btw, I think my main goal is basically - is there still a bit of puzzle with the Outsider count/aka do outsider claims shut down too many worlds or not; and whether there's still enough direction for good as a lot of direct evil pointers are gone

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azure jewel
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wait when did cacklejack get on here

buoyant moth
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main two questions right?

quaint heart
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basically yeah

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If you put like Poli into the bag though and the Poli player never plays hidden poli dw about it though

buoyant moth
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yeah one player in the group has never played hidden poli

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they hate being a turncoat

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and yet she draws the token everytime

quaint heart
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But Princess will help D1 with Savant/Seam/Fish as backups; enough characters are torn with the idea of wanting to live or die the core identity still there yeah im happy

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Oh and try running no after death guess Amne, really sell they want to live

buoyant moth
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kk

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my main concern rn is Xaan 2 on Princess but thats fine probably

quaint heart
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its fine yeah

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buoyant moth
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just as an update

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2 good wins

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first game Xaan 3 with Boom. Boom went off d2, Demon died (i wasn't aware of a double claim between 2 of the 3 I chose despite shadowing those players alot...)

Second game was an intense game where both teams made super interesting decisions

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Poli was in both

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They both kinda soft outed

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so its not great data there

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But the outsider count was a big talk

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Was it balanced?

buoyant moth
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And good were able to find evils

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My impression is that it felt quite balanced

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Good played very well in the 2nd game and won nicely because of it but it only took one wrong decision from good to become a difficult final day

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Evil played well too but accidentally killed their Mastermind due to choosing the Poli in the Al-Had choices

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They were trying to sell them as good for late game TPK potential, especially because there was a Philo Golem and a Golem around

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they were very close to getting that

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I think the poli outing every game made it tougher to actually use this for "is it balanced" though

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however some direct player feedback I got was that they didn't like the Snitch and it felt very unfun to be, because it felt like he wasn't doing anything, not even hurting the good team that much

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the script has no evil team disruptors or lil monsta so I can see why it felt a little sucky, the impact is mostly giving evil more info and thats very hard to judge (it did have an impact though, the impact it had in game 1 was giving the Boomdandy a bluff so they looked Demony)

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Preacher's on script as a disruptor if that's what they mean?

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And I dont get Lil Monsta lol

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OH in reference to Snitch

buoyant moth
quaint heart
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well yeah I get that tbh but I like Snitch :3

buoyant moth
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thats fair!

quaint heart
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So feedback heard and resonated with but denied 💛

buoyant moth
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just wanted to bring it to your attention since the player thought I wrote the script and brought me aside for honest criticism in a very apologetic tone and also he went

"why is snitch on here?" "idk ask the script writer" <--- he was very confused

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like he was trying to be earnest so I'll always raise that type of feedback if i can when i get it

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they loved the 2nd game though, he's quite critical of scripts but loved the 2nd game alot so it did bring him back in

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No no I like it but you know it's hard to take feedback when roles like Snitch/Butler/Soldier whatever get feedback as "it was boring to play" because well... yeah that's how those roles tend to be because it's how you play them

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Being critical of scripts is great though so I do appreciate the opinion 😄 I think there's enough that make Snitch interetsing

buoyant moth
quaint heart
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From naturally giving evil info and bluffs; making Boomdandy's and MM good; It's good Princess food; It's Good Boomdandy danger

quaint heart
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but also makes the Boom look like the Demon

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so its not feedback I 100% agree with really, I thought the 1st game showed off that it was cool (which I tried to go "The Boomdandy was able to look like a Demon thanks to our Snitch!" but obviously, they had a tough time, hard to sell they did something cool

quaint heart
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yeah that's fair

buoyant moth
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but yep! the changes are great

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very fun games

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:0 yo Poli's actually quite a nice fit with the MM jinx because in situations where there's too few living good players or 1/2 you're almost certain pick live- you can gamble on a Dead Politician to help

buoyant moth
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oooo i never thought of that

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really cool

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i think you give poli a win for that

quaint heart
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It’s always contextual but I’d tend to agree

buoyant moth
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yeah if they only did this 1 thing all game then probably not

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it's what makes it cooler than ogre

quaint heart
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If it’s a “I chose live because I was certain it’s a MM Choice” then can flip but if you go “oh I chose love because it was funny” then hmmmmm

buoyant moth
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i mean intent shouldn't factor in really

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buoyant moth
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you can be the most responsible for your team losing by accident

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buoyant moth
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certain things get weighted more as more destructive for a poli, choosing live as a dead poli is a bad decision in 99% of cases if you're playing for good because you're not taking one for the team as a character that doesn't help good win

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if a seamstress did the same thing, its less of a "bad decision for the good team"

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Game 1 (Minus Messy Party) - Mastermind Win!

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Solo mastermind minion op

karmic kindle
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the one instance where evil judge + mastermind is balanced

quaint heart
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so outed evil immediately lol

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RtC has made me change my mind on Mastermind being underpowered. I would've thought it'd be harder to get a MM win on an Al-Hadikhia script.

quaint heart
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The Poli is helping a lot

quaint heart
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AHHH Poli's so good here.

  • Xaan 0 gaming and both Minions picked up Outsiders (Boom=PM, Xaan=Poli)
  • Al-Had bluffed a Redirection Amne and picked herself 2/3 times? And won
  • Banshee and Princess Proc
  • Fisherman joked ALsaahir guessed the correct evil team and I gave Advice D1 to trust their instincts because of that [though on reflection this was too vague of wording so miss there]
  • yeah really solid and fun game it feels good
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buoyant moth
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politician here is amazing

wary scroll
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i can't believe this script has functioned for so long without it

buoyant moth
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that fisherman alsaahir guessing us was a shitting ourselves moment then the Fisherman getting that advice was like "we are FUCKED"

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loved it

wary scroll
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also incredible wizard wish idea that spawned from it: "the storyteller may ask players if they wish they die instead of if they wish to live"

buoyant moth
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nexus played crazy well

buoyant moth
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storyteller chooses what this means

wary scroll
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🔥

buoyant moth
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the Xaan 0 was my favourite part of that game

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It was like "fuckk" but also "yesss", love the poisoned chalice decisions

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I'm glad I came up with that Poli idea.

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Man, I wish I could afford the app now.

quaint heart
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just need a lleech to host off

patent parcel
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I genuinely cannot tell if this is a joke

quaint heart
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i mean like genuinely you can join lobbies on the app for free

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as long as 1 person has a Miniom tier you can join

patent parcel
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I thought you needed TF tier to use a minion host

quaint heart
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Nope! 😄

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You either need every user to have TF tier or 1 person to have Minion tier

patent parcel
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Just out of curiosity, did the Politician win with evil in the first game?

quaint heart
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yes 👍

plucky mantle
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I even have poli

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quaint heart
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Yep 😎

quaint heart
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Hyppppe

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buoyant moth
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yippee!!!!!

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all the uk folk are getting it before me...

quaint dew
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Physical Ride the Cyclone isn't real, it can't hurt you

Physical Ride the Cyclone:

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What is the latest RtC character except princess

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Boffin?

quaint heart
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As in released?

wary scroll
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xaan released after boffin

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so in reverse order, princess, xaan, boffin, alsaahir, banshee, the rest

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but i must say, I do hear a bit of confidence in the full script 😄

quaint heart
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Politician has really tied a lot of the script together and by sticking to my own limitation on jinxes allowed for more flexibility in other roles

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Seamstress, Town Crier are just reliable

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Philosopher is a good safety net character along with Boffin ability

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Princess helps answer the “well what do we do D1?” Question

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Like yeah V6 is probably what I’ll go with

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And change only if o start tracking stats and realise it’s still too one sided

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But it just feels like a really good spot in the moment

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Every role feels like it belongs not only well here but with other characters too

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Pinging @stark agate RtC at Demonswake? 😎

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Then ill update to v6 and call it done hahaha

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But great work!

wary scroll
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you should do all day RTC where you play a game of each version until you make it to the final one

karmic kindle
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karmic kindle
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yay

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i should check the scheduled games more often so i can play this

azure jewel
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soft plinth
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jealous of all these british people rn

void kraken
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cheesed that the back of the script is not the same dimensions as the script piece

quaint heart
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I beg thee to put it either in SPO or SAO 😭

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wary scroll
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steven approved order

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just the regular way of sorting them

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(or standard paradox order because sao's not good enough for him)

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the main thing is that seamstress and town crier are so high up

quaint heart
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What bhamber said

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It’s too jarring seeing them that high lol

abstract socket
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Oh i just followed the pdf😅

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But ill be changing that if wished, thanks for the feedback and ill pick it up from now 🙂

quaint heart
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Yeah since the script is basically done if you’re wanting to print something I’d just adjust the order so it’s easier to read

void kraken
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what’s your paradox order?

quaint heart
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I’ve updated the name to Suggested Paradox Order but in reality it’s taking a page from the Base 3 and ordering your scripts based on character themes but more importantly based on night order waking and stuff

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So Each Night roles are ordered by waking order and then length:
Preacher -> Empath -> Fortune Teller -> General -> Mathematician for example

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Consult roles are grouped together (except amnesiac)

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Demons are ordered by a progressive theme whether it be kill power or misinfo or waking order etc

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Basically it’s reordering the script to have characters flow together in a way I suggest tells a story

void kraken
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interestimg

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what’s SPO for RTC?

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vital acorn
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I hate to do this to you but the asterisk means “Not the first night” not day

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ashen mango
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god bless RtC this shit goes HARD

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Oh damn that amnesiac ability is gold with this script

quaint heart
ashen mango
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no

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f3 of Fish, Knight, Al Had

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town trusted the fish

quaint heart
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Very nice yeah

azure jewel
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V6-now-for-real-final-version

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ok @quaint heart time to change the script again

ashen mango
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I gave fish advice on this script which was "Trust [Amnesiac]"

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On final day

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Because they were about to bingo their ability

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And it exactly implicated the Demon

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Because of living Golem stuff and other possible demon candidates it was suitably powerful info

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Evil couldn't really fight it but the Fisherman the Knight saw made it to final 4 with a living Golem and good was worried about Boffin Golem

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There was also 2 golems that game because the Philo went Golem

quaint heart
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wow, almost a year in this thread :0

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I've got a cool project in mind for RtC that'll exist in the near future so it was cool looking back

wary scroll
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cool project?

quaint heart
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Yeah like a neat one. Nothing huge

soft plinth
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where’s the most recent version btw

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Ride the Cyclone V6

"It's Not A Game, It's Just a Ride"
Greetings! Welcome to Ride the Cyclone, a solo Al-Hadikhia Script built on always wanting to greed it a bit more and climb to grand new heights or come crashing down in destruction all thanks to your own hubris! Every moment is asking who should live and who should die, hoping you don't find yourself weeping openly in the foetal position, one step closer to that realization that free will is just a fridge magnet and we live briefly in a cold, unfeeling, deterministic universe, in an abandoned warehouse called time...

Ah Clocktower!

Good Players will need to work together to best weigh up who should die and who should live as they proceed with every day and night phase. Keeping powerful ongoing information roles alive at the expense of them unsure of how to use it, or trusting strong social information and reads instead. Deducing who is a Minion & which ones are in play will be important but hindered by Outsiders providing safety nets, misinformation, death, and more!

Evil Players will need to work with the immediately outed Al-Hadikhia! Obscuring which Minion(s) is in play is vital to ensure you can catch the Good Team off guard; whether framing yourselves as Boomdandies, encouraging Good players to die when picked, or bluffing Outsiders to obscure the count! More importantly, weighing up which roles to kill, which ones to leave alive, and which ones can be risked confirmed will either trap you in or give you that distractions you need!

A ride like no other, this game of life is never-ending, and I hope you go around, and around, and around, and around again...

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djinn Jinxes

  • boffin Boffin & politician Politician = The Demon cannot have the Politician Ability
  • mastermind Mastermind & al_hadikhia Al-Hadikhia = If the Al-Hadikhia dies by execution, and the Mastermind is alive, the Al-Hadikhia chooses 3 good players tonight: if all 3 choose to live, evil wins. Otherwise, good wins.
  • al_hadikhia Al-Hadikhia & princess Princess = If the Princess nominated & executed a player on their 1st day, no one dies to the Al-Hadikhia ability tonight.

Notes

Here's some advice for running RtC:

  • The Knight has really strong information here when identifying non-Boffin candidates, so consider that when showing roles like the Princess & Golem. The Xaan can make you show the Al-Had with this too but be careful! Making a Xaan 1 too obvious could result in the Knight finding the Al-Had
  • The Banshee dies immediately if they choose Die from the Al-Hadikhia choice; meaning following players picked can and should know the Banshee has died. Moreover, a Banshee who dies Night 2 and is poisoned by a Xaan Night/Day 3 cannot nominate and may only vote once with a vote token (but don't worry, they'll get it all back the following night).
  • There's a whole range of **Boffin **abilities for misinformation, meta-info, confirmation etc so get creative! The Amnesiac is also there for when you want to try something new. Just remind players that sometimes the Boffin ability is for Demon-Eyes only! Also, use **Balloonist **as +1 Outsider more than the info.
  • Not allowing the Amnesiac to guess after they're dead also really heightens the intent of the script! Do they have all they need to solve their ability? Or just that bit more...
  • Read the Mastermind jinx and make sure players understand it! It changes the character and game entirely!
fiery ginkgo
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Smh, no King

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fiery ginkgo
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Overall tho, super cool

ashen mango
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holy AURA

quaint heart
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I'll add more flairs to the designed script I just wanted to get something out there 🙂‍↕️ But also don't feel like you can't design your own style for the script, it's cooler seeing what other visions folks have

ashen mango
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you should probably add a bit that says that an amne should ideally not be allowed to guess while dead on this script in particular

fiery ginkgo
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Not yet no; I'll get around to designing a back sheet/night order sheet

ashen mango
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i fuck with trying to play chicken as the philo to jumpscare the demon with a n3 princess night

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Yet to see a Philo N3 princess ngl

ashen mango
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no but its so aura if you dont claim it

fiery ginkgo
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How does the Princess work on a MM night?

ashen mango
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also i unironically rate giving the demon boffin preacher

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so they can preach the boffin

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and get a situationally appropriate Boffin ability

ashen mango
quaint heart
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Moreover, unlike other scripts with Princess + MM which can be a little dicey, here the Al-Had must choose 3 players and gives good a chance to still win

wary scroll
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oooooooo paradox you want to run an official app game so bad

quaint heart
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I cannot right now 😂

wary scroll
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i'll ask again in an hour

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:D

abstract socket
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Ngl, your version is also really awesome! And im honered at least the 'the script' has stuck the landingempath

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Ans congrats on the release? Hahahah

karmic kindle
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Ran two games* of this script today

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One of them was a D1 boomdandy win because the savant claimed princess and nominated them

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And then was in the boomdandy final 3 and got pointed to

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D2 was an evil win by the mastermind getting executed on final 4

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The poli claimed golem and nominated the savant, and then got executed, and then on d4 outed they were the poli bc the mastermind bluffing HP got sent to them

quaint heart
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Ohhhh it’s all coming together

karmic kindle
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Game 2 also had a successful princess proc and a successful banshee proc

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My group doesn't like that princess is on this script but I kinda see the vision

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Game 2 had an Apprentice that traveled in and the miniions that game were boffin mastermind, so I kinda just had to make them good

quaint heart
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I get that tbh Princess feels weird but it’s so useful

karmic kindle
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I don't think apprentice should really be a recommended traveler with Xaan and Boomdandy on script

karmic kindle
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And the player who was on the receiving end of the princess kill didn't have a super fun game

quaint heart
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Hmmm yeah that’s definitely more of a Princess issue than a script issue; it’s about working together as a town to give the Princess something and therefore try and confirm them

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quaint heart
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But being able to stop an Al-Had kill and even get confirmed is huge for town

vital acorn
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(Isn’t the princess al had jinx gone?)

wary scroll
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nah it still exists

quaint heart
vital acorn
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WHAT

wary scroll
vital acorn
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bro it just states how the fucking ability works 😭

wary scroll
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legit my least favourite jinx of all time but it does be there :/

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what does this imply for princess/crown, luis?

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buoyant moth
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They kinda just didn't get it

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Some of them did but they don't like Princess in general

quaint heart
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Yeah Princess has so much utility here folks just need to learn

buoyant moth
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Yeah the thing is I've noticed about Customs is that plenty of players have a disposable attitude to them

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As in they don't really think of it as something they need to learn to play but more so something that they'll play once or twice

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Because that's how many customs are played by the community

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One time use scripts are something I dislike and I love Customs built to last

wary scroll
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i always try to aim for very replayable customs when script designing

quaint dew
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BMR would be widely hated if it was a one time custom

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I find it strange anyone would ever build a script as a one-off game

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Botc is a complex game, and one game on any script is not going to encompass everything that can happen on a script

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A botc script you can judge fairly off of one game most likely has enormous flaws.

karmic kindle
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It’s not a great character but it’s like okay

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stark agate
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Do you think this is the final version @quaint heart ?

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Wondering if it is time to re design lol

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soft plinth
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where’s the json with poli

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nvm found it

soft plinth
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ALSAAHIR WIN!

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on d3, only worked because the xaan was dead

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OG knight pings were poli and philo

ashen mango
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🫡

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god bless RTC

quaint heart
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when did the Philo go Knight

ashen mango
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n2

quaint dew
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It seems like this script has gone into orbit as something fantastic

iron escarp
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How does it hold up at lower playercounts? Al Had can be kind of fast for 1 minion games and I was thinking of running this one for my group, but we don't often make it to 10-12 players

quaint heart
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When I was playtesting this with the Investigator version, in terms of pacing. the game didn't feel like immensely faster or slower or notably different than larger counts. Larger counts obviosuly make things last longer and less panic but if good player their cards right I think it still holds up. I'd guess it would be good sided tbh because Evil thrives when what Minions are in play and who can be evil are up in the air which is just harder at lower player counts

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But that was also with a version that was 100% good sided

iron escarp
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What I'm hearing is "fucking go for it", thanks 😛

quaint heart
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Precisely 😆

quaint dew
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Data is data

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All the Minions blend into each other well

soft plinth
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oh also an long text game of this just ended, good win on MM day

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this was the older version with king

quaint dew
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I love that Longtext is so long that the scripts become outdated while you play them

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Absolutely silly clocktower

soft plinth
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yeah there were 2 version changes between when we started and ended the game

azure jewel
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Pixlate had his way with the script before it was ripped from his teeth

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And then the longtext ended

quaint heart
ashen mango
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i did my service

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i was a philostan and a tcstan

iron escarp
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Ah Boffin-Bounty Hunter?

quaint dew
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I mean it happened to me w China Shop

azure jewel
stone breach
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It mildly upsets me that banshee is confirmed good and can be used as half of the seamstress pick when BH used to be on here

abstract socket
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As a DA; a BH gets multiple of those pings. For your ping (which is 1 time in theory) you need both of those roles in the bag, having a demon killed bandshee and a Seamstrrss that did not have used their ability

stone breach
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Philo can duplicate banshee or late unused seamstress (or BH with the jinx)

iron escarp
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What exactly is the purpose of Snitch here, other than being an okay Boffin target?

azure jewel
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Yeah, I think that's fine

karmic kindle
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also this is suboptimal use of seamstress imo

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quaint heart
# iron escarp What exactly is the purpose of Snitch here, other than being an okay Boffin targ...

Bottom-line I'll acknowledge is yeah Snitch is an ok role; it's not flashy, has little agency as a player etc but still allows for a lot of interesting plays and mechanical intrigue to the script.
Minions having bluffs on RtC (especially with the removal of Village Idiot) is an intensely under-represented quality here as double claims can be deadly - it makes it easy Princess fodder (assuming not a Boomdandy) as well as knowing if you think a Minion has been picked alongside a good player during the Al-Had. But giving them bluffs, they blend in a lot easier and make that question of who's evil and what Minions we have much harder and helpful to evil. Though most of this is just standard Snitch stuff

Snitch is also one of the few reliably good "Al-Had fodder" such as Knight, Banshee, Spent Seamstress etc and trying to bait yourself into getting picked or Princess killed is contributing to town's success hopefully

But then the Boomdandy and Mastermind really f*ck with that beautifully - too easy executions is classic Boomdandy bait or even a sneaky MM proc. It also interacts well with the Xaan too as Evils need to be proactive in bluffing Outsiders to obscure the count and misinfo days so knowing what's in play or not is really useful

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Basically Snitch's gameplay floor is low because that's the nature of the character; but it's ceiling is much higher than you think and rewards smart STs and players for using this knowledge well

karmic kindle
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but i still think having info on two players alignment is stronger most of the time

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however this is probably my SNV vortox paranoia talking

iron escarp
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I feel like outsiders that don't mind dying in the night makes the MM-part weaker rather than stronger, since most of the town will choose to live, it almost becomes a demonsbane

quaint heart
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To clarify, not the MM jinx night; but more so your Demon can claim Snitch who's happy to die

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and then trigger a MM night

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kinda like a Grandmother or Sailor claim on BMR

iron escarp
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Right, that's fair. I haven't played with it yet, but just on the eyes I kinda think it's more townsfolky than the other outsiders here, since players will want to talk and make plans day 1 anyway, it's easier for the demon to get their bluffs to the minions

void kraken
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how do you win off MM in this script

karmic kindle
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it allows evil to talk to good players and instantly poison the well

karmic kindle
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unless you mean “in practice how would an evil team pull this off”

quaint heart
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Mastermind has gotten off like an appropriate amount of wins for the character imo sitting in the just below 50 - 50% of the time which I think is healthy for an alt-win con character like it is. Both in early stages and late stages of the game.

void kraken
karmic kindle
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pick 3 good players who want to come back to life

quaint heart
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Yeah just look for the greed lol

karmic kindle
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mastermind being on script might mean that good players who would normally choose to live will pick die

quaint heart
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Politician also helps a lot now and gives an out if few living players want to

karmic kindle
void kraken
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aye

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would it be practical for the fancy version of the script to tweak MM’s ability text

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“If the Demon dies by execution (ending the game), play for 1 more night. They must choose 3 good players & if all choose to live, evil wins.”

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or rip the jinx text (putting it in place of the MM’s normal ability)
“If the Al-Hadikhia dies by execution, they choose 3 good players tonight: if all 3 choose to live, evil wins. Otherwise, good wins.”

ashen mango
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fwiw i think MM on RTC becomes much less powerful later in the game and really only pops off on d1-d3

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ashen mango
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true but on this script especially

wary scroll
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MM does have the passive effect of making some players more willing to die in general, as the threat of losing the game is much stronger than a triple death night

stone breach
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Also, I think a bootlegger should be introduced to allow the al-had to ignore the MM jinx if they want

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Real mindfuck

karmic kindle
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doesn’t town always double tap though

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and not lose any time

stone breach
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Yeah u rite

acoustic frost
quaint heart
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iron escarp
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Is there perchance a pdf for v6?

quaint heart
iron escarp
abstract socket
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I can make it a pdf when im home later

iron escarp
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Thanks!

abstract socket
iron escarp
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Thanks!

iron escarp
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Good won, executing the Demon

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quaint heart
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carousel gammmming

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also responsible Storytelling for using the Djinn token 🙂‍↕️

iron escarp
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My players felt like there was very little push to execute during the day and at least 2 minions that really pushed against execution. They were also very lucky, as this pic was DAY FUCKING 5 and dead players got resurrected twice. It was my players introduction to customs, so first time Al Had made some questionable choices. Feedback comes down to "fun in general, but really needs something like Undertaker, Cannibal or Oracle to push executions through"

iron escarp
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Puzzledrunk Savant got all the spice though

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"The game would be over if the Alsaahir wasn't Puzzledrunk" or "Player X (the real Puzzlemaster) is the demon"

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Both being false statements of course

quaint heart
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Plus with Al-Had, opting to not execute is much more damaging than a 1KPN demon

iron escarp
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I think the main issue is good being really fucking greedy with choosing to live and each night getting away with it

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On the game I played

quaint heart
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That's beautiful ngl

iron escarp
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Like, the Alhad had 4 kills and 2 resurrections over 4 nights

quaint heart
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wild 😂

iron escarp
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So this is probably an outlier, will probably run it again in like a month (botc nights are once every fortnight and in two weeks I won't be able)

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Running AlHad for the first time in real life is very cool though. Just roaring "SILENCE!!! AL HADIKHIA DEMANDS SACRIFICES" made my players literally jump up from their chairs

buoyant moth
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i run the Al-Hadikhia as very polite

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they're asking for your permission before taking your life, so they gotta have a bit of a gentleman's attitude

iron escarp
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That's another way, cool as well

stark agate
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Al-Had is my favourite demon to run and play a game in with. The drama is high and it is always a wild ride.

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I loved midnight Oasis changing to Al-Had in an Atheist game half way through. Getting the dead atheist to pick the kills lol

split crane
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RtC game I ran the other day

quaint dew
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Is this from before the update?

split crane
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I think so; it's from early July

split crane
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at 9p an extra evil is a big downside for town, so I decided to do a silly Xaan 0

quaint dew
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I seee

split crane
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the evil Preacher never claimed Preacher, so the Pixie Preacher thought it was Xaan 1 or something

void kraken
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suggestions for a good 7p bag to intro the script?

buoyant moth
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I think Princess is a good shout there to extend the game a bit

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I think Mastermind or Boom.

Town Crier
Alsaahir
Seamstress
Preacher
Banshee

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Princess instead of Banshee sorry

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I'm not sure though, it's hard to gauge what feels fair for 7

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It's likely good only has 2 executions

acoustic frost
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#1274771230532304898 message link to top

quaint heart
acoustic frost
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Not there for me on iPhone or iPad

quaint heart
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Hmmm you win this time

fathom magnet
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*spec stax

quiet elbowBOT
trail fable
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i played ride the cyclone in person today

quaint heart
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how did it go :3

trail fable
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final 3 was politician resurrected minion and the confirmed demon

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so evil won

quaint heart
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wow beautiful

void kraken
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is the monday evening paradox weekly game still on

quaint heart
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I’ve not made an event but idk maybe I’ll do an impromptu one

void kraken
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could be interested 👀

quaint heart
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I also forgot it’s not Monday today lol

abstract socket
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hopefully running this thursday🥳

abstract socket
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And we did run 2 games!

Game 1) Evil win after a full good swipe by evil
Game 2) a good win after a failed MM attempt

soft plinth
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good win, boffin puzzlemaster drunked the amne

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karmic kindle
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did the demon kill themself?

soft plinth
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no

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they got executed

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their minion took the hit

karmic kindle
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oh i see

split crane
soft plinth
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no unfortunately

split crane
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that's the problem with unguessed Amne, making them puzzledrunk/no dashii poisoned/etc doesn't really help evil

soft plinth
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fair nuff

split crane
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*spec nax

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iron escarp
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Ran another game last week, 8 players, evil win this time. Forgot to take a picture of the Grim. It was something like AlHad, MM, Poli, Savant, TC, Amne (each night* you learn how many evil players AlHad picked (first time they were Amne so I gave them an easy one)), Princess, Knight

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It felt a bit faster, even though the Princess prevented a night death by exing the Knight on d1. Then AlHad chose the Knight twice, who was the only player to choose death. So the first night kill was on night 5(!) again, due to town figuring out who the minion was by TC info. Then AlHad finally chose their minion twice and getting a triple kill, winning them the game. Still very slow, but it felt more threatening somehow

lusty moon
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"easy one" for amne XD

iron escarp
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I figured that one was relatively doable and the Amne agreed

lusty moon
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It is and subjective to how experienced the amne player is

iron escarp
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40th game or something like that. Mostly b3 before though, not a lot of customs or experience with experimental characters

amber plank
ashen mango
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good win, golem nommed the demon on 5 lol

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Boffin-Amne was: "After making Al-Had picks, learn which characters you chose (in any order): you may repick 1."

lime vapor
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Nommed on 6!

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Love that kind of Boffin-Amne, tho. Have used something very similar and players liked it

split crane
plucky mantle
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Me and my evil team, TPKing, 2025

acoustic frost
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Boffin philo and they chose savant?

plucky mantle
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(I was alhad)

plucky mantle
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worth every penny

acoustic frost
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Really???

plucky mantle
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It was good savant info

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I'd do it again

acoustic frost
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Hm interesting

plucky mantle
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so

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D1:seat 3 executed

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N2:6,7,10 in alhad

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10 dies.

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D2: "Yall seat 4 is probably politician"

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(I think seat 9 is exed)

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N2: 4,6,7 all die.

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then my boffin gets exed

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wait

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no

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anyway the only evil that died was boffin

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the f4 was "The poli, me, the boomdandy, and the amne"

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I nommed the poli, got the exe

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and we win these(I picked the amne, then both of my minions)

ashen mango
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good win

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Amne was Each night*, learn how many character types the Al-Had chose

void kraken
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cool ability!

ashen mango
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good win :)

quaint heart
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the game was set-up to be a great Xaan bluff but Princess N2 and Banshee N3 throws it all away

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(though Golem punched Mastermind D1 then was Princess killed I'm bringing back my MM for free)

soft plinth
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boomdandy win

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d1

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also we had another quick game before where evil got smoked

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  • n1 seamstress no between demon and alsaahir
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  • mastermind preached n1
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  • demon picked themselves with 2 others who picked live n2 and promptly lost
karmic kindle
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forgot to mention that the poli was bluffing HP who saw me (the seamstress with a no on the demon) on day 1

amber plank
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That is probably the most tragic game of clocktower I've seen in a while ;-;

smoky summit
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Ran RtC a bunch and love all of the interesting interactions that can happen on the script. One thing I noticed and like is that each character can wildly affect their team both negatively or positively depending on how they’re played. Golem/Politician/Puzzlemaster can behave both townsfolk-y/outsider-y, Mastermind/Boffin/Boomdandy can both help/hurt evil team if played well/badly. There’s a very niche interaction where the Banshee can actually grant evil a definitive victory in final 4/5 with two minions alive.

amber plank
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I think that banshee interaction is more about the meta of the group and less a thing that can happen consistently and reliably

torn turret
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How does banshee ensure an evil win? Curious

soft plinth
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yeah i’m trying to ponder this too rn

smoky summit
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If evil team knows who the banshee is, they can pick the banshee and then the two minions. The minions will then choose to live or die based on whether the banshee chooses to live or die

trail fable
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yeah but how do they win on 5

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if the banshee chooses live

split crane
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demon chooses Banshee, minion, minion
if there's no announcement then the minions choose live too. Then all die.

quaint dew
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ye

split crane
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Though barring Boffin shenanigans (basically Savant?), evil team can't know for sure who the Banshee is, right?

quaint dew
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yeah

split crane
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That said, if you don't know you can still just bet one of them is. That is, it's f5 with 3 evils + 2 good alive, Demon still picks a good player then the 2 minions, who follow the strategy above assuming the 1st pick is the Banshee.

quaint dew
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And they need 2 minions alive in final 5

split crane
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Worst case scenario is when the good player isn't the banshee and chooses "die": minions assume it's a Banshee who chose "live" so they choose live too. But that's still a f4 with 3 evils alive.

quaint dew
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I think this falls under a niche bad-ish? interaction outweighed by many good one

torn turret
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Yeah so this isn't reliable this is like pipedream lmao

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If the baitrole outed to a degree the evil team can plan around it? That's on them

amber plank
split crane
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It's not a script issue, but 3 evils alive isn't that rare. Some groups insist on a "let's only kill demon candidates" policy so minions get a free pass (again, not script specific, this happen in TB games quite often here on livevoice). Another factor is that Alhad often gets 3 kills a night because people don't choose die often enough.

patent parcel
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Honestly, this is just a really cool play