Clockwork Cyborg

[floral moon]

now do your regular savant info but further split :
"a sober and healthy savant can learn x and y"
OR
"a sober and healthy savant can learn a and b"

[graceful seal]

The hellish iterated savant info

[lyric bluff]

Evil win tpk

I think I should start bagbuilding more agressively in goods favour

For some reason Ive seen an unusual amounts of tpks on this script

I think part of the reason is just slightly weird kazali socials

Still probably my favourite custom to run!

[sudden tendon]

Basically yeah

(req is about to post cringe about 10p but in practice that's not it)

It's hard in practice for town to execute minions and it's a little tricky because if you have more frontloaded evil pings it becomes too easy to do

Currently I have 49 known-recorded-stats games across all versions where the supermajority (probably 80ish%?) are 5.2 and it's running 45-55 balance with the lean towards evil which is a balance I'm ultimately happy with

It tends these days to bounce around the mid to high 40s

I do dislike the tpk density. I'm not sure there's a way to fix it under "roles that exist and don't break the script in the opposite direction"

[lyric bluff]

Yup I think good has great chances in most games

I think good teams just need to be a lot more intentional with their executions on this scipt

[sudden tendon]

Yeah very much so

Reading back over the game it looks like people were gunning for the scarlet for a while

[lyric bluff]

yup basically

town also didn't execute on a day

[fossil tiger]

I mean, honestly? I’ve tpk’d all but one CC game with >1 minion, I think this is a CC tjing

[sudden tendon]

I think a lot of this is you-specifically having an evil playstyle that goes unusually hard for TPKs, or for another angle is unusually uncomfortable with non-TPK endgames

[fossil tiger]

fair

[sudden tendon]

and you-specifically are overrepresented in my stats which makes interpretation difficult

[fossil tiger]

that’s funny

[crystal nacelle]

I think town also just didn’t execute into their information in that specific game, particularly the oracle zero (which tbf was being built as evil)

[sudden tendon]

yeah in practice I find the CC Flowchart is like

town goes for info? -> win
town goes for socials? -> lose

[crystal nacelle]

(Meanwhile the SW being sussed purely off socials that game 😆)

[fossil tiger]

tbf town going for info in livetext-dream-team lost them the game, and town trying to go for info in fivetune-teller did the same but exceptions happen ig

[crystal nacelle]

But yeah as a whole I’d agree with that

[sudden tendon]

town going for info in livetext-dream-team would have fully hardsolved if I'd made different kills or anyone considered the implications of the ft pings

it was...an interesting demon seat to be in

[crystal nacelle]

Also lowkey widow poisoning a math would be funny in this script

[sudden tendon]

because we were in a good position that whole game that like 8 different people could have destroyed in an instant

that same game with a demon who uses a widow grim to kill into info and we end up destroyed by a combo of "seam no + dreamer saw minions + both FTs got too many no results + tc alive too long + process of elimination around surviving power roles in a widow game locks the demonhood to like 3 people"

as a consequence we have a great new term for "making kills in spidow games that aren't grotesquely negative utility"

[lyric bluff]

Good win

[viral pumice]

godfather was puzzlemaster

this was obviously the version with godfather

[fossil tiger]

woh

[fossil tiger]

wdym 😭 there is no version w/o

[viral pumice]

Oh I thought it got swapped for boffin

[fast maple]

it did not

because boffin sucks here 😭

also YEAH GODFATHER

[fossil tiger]

Kenoboi propoganda

[crisp trout]

me when i lie

[fossil tiger]

bro is caught in the cardboard 😭

[sudden tendon]

oh hey just clicked into livevoice

looks that evil won via "demon self-framing as minion" (one of the peak demon strats) but that good was ahead most of the game

also moonchild picked the scarlet

someday a sober moonchild will pick a good player

[floral moon]

terrifying kazali snipes tho whoa

ft and town crier

[sudden tendon]

the strongest evil ping on the script (moonchild) was in play it's fine

[crystal nacelle]

2/2 games with this script with wrong librarian pings on me as an evil player

[crystal nacelle]

so moonchild picked the banshee who was already on the block at that point (they died to my witch), so did actually pick a good player, just had no mechanical impact

Anyway it was very funny in final 3, I was the witch bluffing demon bluffing a poli pivot, which was fun to pull off 😄

Good pretty much had the evil team but just made one bad execution and a really ill-timed witch kill that lost them an execution

[sudden tendon]

Yeah I saw the "we had a forced win if not for the witchkill"

This is technically the first sober moonchild picking a good player lmao

[crystal nacelle]

haha

[sudden tendon]

It has an incredible knack for picking the demon almost every time

actually that solved another livevoice

[crystal nacelle]

oh getting moonchild picked as either alignment is just kinda a feelsbad

but especially as the demon that's just tragic

[sudden tendon]

when I was the demon here I conveniently picked the moonchild 😎

[viral pumice]

The moonchild picked the PD in the game the pineapple man posted!

[crystal nacelle]

good won having next to no ongoing info the entire time, seamstress and oracle were kazali turned which was rough, not as much after the recluse got executed day 1 😄

[tired heron]

widow poisoned banshee?

are you sure you didnt swap the widow reminder tokens

[crystal nacelle]

nope

[tired heron]

huh

[crystal nacelle]

widow poisoned the banshee

😄

[tired heron]

smh shouldve poisoned the moonchild

[crystal nacelle]

that is a funneh

[sudden tendon]

Librarian confirmed moonchild picking an evil player 🔥

[primal holly]

another game where a godfather would’ve won them the game

[crystal nacelle]

Replace gf with widow and evil probably wins either by damsel or gf kills

[dense sluice]

The CC pipeline is genuinely “pick Widow/SW if this is the 1st time you’ve played the script. Pick Godfather if it’s your 10th”

[crystal nacelle]

Good win, scarlet got in a FT yes with the Red Herring and got executed day 1, godfather executed day 2. Kazali faked a widow ping, but just a really unfortunate game for evil where the one time I've seen godfather picked, two outsiders are kazali turned 😭

@sudden tendon

if only a general was in the bag 😭

strongly good n1 🔥

[hollow ravine]

Who was the red herring?

[tired heron]

is that amne simultaneously better nightwatchman and a cop? 😉

[crystal nacelle]

The savant who died n2

[hollow ravine]

Oof

[timid flume]

Great question

[timid flume]

Ok yeah that is just better nwm + cop

Except hard to solve bc it gives really random feedback

[sudden tendon]

Most balanced livevoice amne

[sudden tendon]

This is the second Kazali -1 I've heard of on this script 👀

Evil won the first funnily enough

Recorded winrate by demon:
Kazali : 28W/25L ≈ 53% evil winrate
Total: 28W/25L ≈ 53% evil winrate

very useful way to categorize stats, trust

[vapid flower]

Vigormortis update when

[primal holly]

the fucking 1 time godfather loses the game 😭

[fast maple]

0 outsider game

[crisp trout]

the humble moonchild:

[fast maple]

That's a townsfolk, fake fan

[crisp trout]

TRUE

[hollow ravine]

You should add athiest and then tell everyone they were kazali picked

(add a lunatic too, and put like 4 in the bag)

[crisp trout]

Good Win Final 3!

My Savant Info:

D1: Either I am Witch Cursed (F) OR At least 2 of Oracle General Amne in play (F) WIDOW POISONED
D2: 1 pair of outsiders (T) OR 2 townsfolk that have 1 minion neighbor (F? not entirely sure on the wording) WIDOW POISONED
D3: There's 2 dead outsiders (F) OR all OPG tf are spent (T)
D4: A player got false info last night (F) OR there is at least 3 living non-tf (T)
D5: 2 alive players who can win with evil (T? I think i might have misinterpreted this one) OR all minions dead (T)

[crystal nacelle]

we are simply having a clockwork cyborg sweep today

[fast maple]

your d2 second statement was false, there's only 1 townsfolk (Gen) that had 1 Minion neighbor

[crisp trout]

oh i understand what that means now

[crisp trout]

forgot to take a pic but very spicy 9p game, savant info was " You are Witch Cursed OR At least 2 of Oracle, Alsaahir and Mathematician are in play", 1st was true, evil team was bluffing oracle and alsaahir and town hard solved d2 off of both that and the recluse pinging of the math

[crisp trout]

game 2

[graceful seal]

That is a really spicy piece of savant info holy shit

[sudden tendon]

kenoboi ran a game with 3 kills n2

[crisp trout]

was about to post it

legendary

also evil sweep

i see the godfather vision now

[tired heron]

it wasnt even base 2

[sudden tendon]

it was base 0 lmaoo

livetext almost ran a godfather game recently but it had to end early

[tired heron]

wasnt that also base 0

[sudden tendon]

yep

[tired heron]

lol

[dapper carbon]

So you're no longer considering ditching gf right

[sudden tendon]

lmao

[dapper carbon]

Good

[crisp trout]

game 2 dreamer hard carried

funny moment: the cere picked the librarian to be mad as the dreamer, so they bluffed that they dreamt the politician. the actual dreamer also dreamt the politician on the same night

also the librarian wrong token is obscuring part of the amne ability

the part hidden says "on the script tool"

[sick sedge]

script tool or just the script itself

[sudden tendon]

@fossil tiger good won 4v6 10p

anyway this means I have 60 recorded games and they're exactly 30W/30L

[crystal nacelle]

yippee

[dusky pewter]

good wins f3

[old flint]

Game highlights (from what I can recall):

• Math learned straight 0s
• The witch never got a kill (and was killed at night)
• The witch also accidentally managed to bluff Pixie in a way that confirmed their own demon
• The ending demon (starting SW) claimed Moonchild, so we had an ending F3 of a PM, PD, and "Moonchild"

The Amne ability was:

Each night, learn a list of characters and choose one: gain their ability until dusk.
Night 1 they gained the Artist ability and used it to confirm 2 ppl as not the demon I believe
-# I don't think this isn't the actual phrasing the ST used, but it's the best phrasing I can come up with to explain the full ability

[sudden tendon]

Oh yeah I was following that game

I went afk at f5 and at that point it looked like evil was definitely going to win

[crisp trout]

iirc they built unia as the scarlet world last second and won

[sudden tendon]

https://i.imgur.com/Q26w9gA.jpeg

discord image uploads are down so here's the imgur thumbnail for the livevoice that just happened

evil won, scarlet executed in f3

bhamber procced n2 lmao

[fossil tiger]

ohh

[sick sedge]

yeah there's a cloudflare outage that's hitting a lot of different services rn

[long glen]

What was the reasoning against Alsaahir -> Balloonist again?

[sudden tendon]

dylan with spectag 👀

[long glen]

Idk how I got that

How do I remove it?

[tired heron]

do *! i think

[sudden tendon]

the reasoning is "alsaahir isn't going away, also balloonist is scary strong a lot of the time and has a lot of setup swing"

[long glen]

Ohhhh

LMAO

[tired heron]

lol

[long glen]

I mistyped this with a capital A instead of an exclamation mark, so I corrected it by typing *!

[sudden tendon]

clearly you should play my livevoice later 😎

[long glen]

What time?

Like from now

[sudden tendon]

uhh probably like 7ish hours? the queue is unpredictable

[long glen]

Oh

[sudden tendon]

maybe much shorter

unlikely much longer

[long glen]

I'm not waking up at 5AM

Sry

[crisp trout]

evil win in f3

completely forgot about avan when i starpassed so the oracle went from getting a 0 to a 2 after we killed the widow and i starpassed

[fossil tiger]

10p evil win

[scenic thorn]

#1385277464153948341 message
recruiting a longtext game rn

[sick sedge]

what does this mean? i don’t understand the concept of “kazali socials” outside of “minions solid bluffs” or why they would out a demon-sw pass

[hollow ravine]

1. Backsolving minions to which player would choose them as minions
2. Backsolving minion type to which player would want that minion type in game
   general vibes

[sudden tendon]

More complicated than that

It's a sort of paradoxical highlighting where the demon can be more socially visible than usual because the minions are less so than usual

I don't think the object case (pm scarlet) is particularly relevant to it though, you usually have a good idea if an executed pm ping is the starting demon or not

[noble folio]

Example for 2): if I'm ever in a game of CC with vati and there's a confirmed Godfather, I know who the Demon is.

[sudden tendon]

Oh we're getting the plague doctor executed first of the outsiders so you don't

[drifting quail]

without widow? good luck

[sudden tendon]

When did I say that

[drifting quail]

you're not a scarlet woman believer i see

[hollow ravine]

vati doesn't ever get caught as the demon

so he never needs a scarlet woman

[fossil tiger]

well yeah just get librarian confirmed smh

[crystal nacelle]

@near knoll can confirm, this never ends poorly

[wintry lance]

One quick question, isn't Godfather rather loud here?

I don't see any more deathmod.

[noble folio]

[wintry lance]

I find this response concerning.

[noble folio]

sorry, not dunking on you or anything. you're absolutely right that GF is a... sub... optimal... character on this script. at least that's what a few people here think (myself included)

but we've had this discussion a few times by now

[sudden tendon]

I think with more play it's become a much more niche opinion than it was

did you ever do the goblin thing?

[sudden tendon]

anyway "yes, intentionally"

[noble folio]

no time to play

[wintry lance]

Fair enough.

Just not used to that.

[sudden tendon]

arb outsider count elsewhere lets you do things

[noble folio]

https://tenor.com/view/dozens-of-us-there-are-dozens-of-us-dozens-arrested-development-arrested-development-dozens-gif-18162954729757007693

[dense sluice]

too busy making expansions 😔

[wintry lance]

I was more worried I accidentally set off a long-running and heated debate over whether Godfather works here. Which it appears I kind of did, it's just less heated than I expected.

[noble folio]

we all cool here

[crisp trout]

it’s ok the debate has long ended (boffin is still better here 😎)

[sick sedge]

what does boffin even do

diet widow in most cases, i GUESS it can help find a damsel

[fast maple]

that's the neat part, it does nothing

[fluid tulip]

Don't worry TPI will release a Minion that perfectly replaces Godfather on clockwork cyborg

[tired heron]

"Outsiders that die by execution become evil"

lol thats terrible

[fast maple]

You can't replace perfection

[fluid tulip]

I'm not asking vati to replace perfection

I'm asking vati to replace Godfather

(I'm not. Sometimes better just doesn't exist)

Maybe in future though

[drifting quail]

i always feels like godfather as like a sneaky pick

as in, 99% of the time people don't pick it, but there's 1-2 game where it got pick, and like, maybe pay off because good get complacent

it's not particularly coherent fmpov, but i do think that

1. no minion can really replace gf that well
2. cc -godfather is relatively the same as normal cc, but without the funny hidden pick (which is just less option with no benefit)

[near knoll]

Godfather is really good at confusing all of the town after you get dreamt 👍

[dense sluice]

Especially if you’re aceing the Savant bluff you found

[crisp trout]

i remember that game!!!!

dreamer confirmed savant guys fr

[crisp trout]

Wraith for CC

who needs widow anyway

[drifting quail]

can't wait for the poli to move their head around at night and to pretend being the wraith

[floral moon]

damsel+wraith seems yuck

[crisp trout]

from first thoughts it seems fun

best grimpeeker for damsel at least

but idk in practice or deeper theory

[floral moon]

i mean the damsel just cant bluff any nightwaking role ever i think

[crisp trout]

fair

although banshee

exists

[floral moon]

on this script that leaves...exactly 3 townsfolk

banshee, alsaahir, savant

[crisp trout]

like banshee will bluff a waking role too

and not wake

[floral moon]

mhm, that's fair

damsel cover is like

fucked though

having the damsel down to 2-4 people is already so fucked up

[timid flume]

Any non waking role could do it

[timid flume]

True

I think this probably isn’t the script for wraith damsel but it could totally be cool

[floral moon]

i do not think its a fun interaction unless you're running like, oops all non waking, but at that point wraith just becomes useless

[timid flume]

I don’t mind using a minion character to rule out some damsel candidates idk

It’s oppressive for sure

But I feel like it could work

[floral moon]

i wouldn't know about strength, but it seems like it'd be...really unfun tbh

[timid flume]

Hmm maybe

Idk

It’s hard to tell

[floral moon]

i was asked for my opinions on a certain hermit-damsel-wraith script today

[dense sluice]

I mean I'd replace Godfather with Wraith if anything

[floral moon]

its so annoying

[crisp trout]

no i definitely don’t think wraith should be on CC i just wanted to revive the godfather debate >:)

[floral moon]

they should add psychopath for cc but if the kazali loses roshambo on n1 then the psychopath isnt made

[drifting quail]

honestly

i see the vision for godfather > psycho

[crisp trout]

oh

[timid flume]

That is literally psychopathic

[floral moon]

ME TOO

[noble folio]

It's time...

[sly shell]

This script formatting looks cool

[sick sedge]

where’d you format the script? KB doesn’t do official icons afaik

[fast maple]

GOBLIN?!

[dapper carbon]

WAIT GOBLIN????????

[scenic thorn]

hasn't brain been talking about this for a while

[sick sedge]

wait what the fuck

i missed that

[sly shell]

Same

[supple patio]

no way, SW Goblin strats incoming? :0

[dapper carbon]

from underpicked-but-strong-and-also-based godfather to really busted goblin scarlet

mmmm i love pd goblin scarlet

[drifting quail]

goblin???

GOBLIN PLAGUE DOCTOR????

[graceful seal]

this isn't CC

my dude godfather is what is goblin

goblin is not CC

[noble folio]

And literally the first minion pick in a 12p game is ||Goblin||

[noble folio]

It is on my copy 😈 (I forgot to update the title)

[graceful seal]

but Godfather is more peak.....

[supple patio]

bra1n it's not too late to reverse on out of there

[noble folio]

It's from a (fan-made, unofficial) script tool that's not public yet.

[noble folio]

It is, the Kazali already picked

For the record, vati allowed me to do a test run with Goblin instead of GF.

[graceful seal]

oh

[supple patio]

well, if vati says its okay...

[graceful seal]

ehhhh

[fluid tulip]

Well yes, clockwork cyborg is the best Godfather||blin|| script

[tired heron]

why is there a juggler

[graceful seal]

wait yea WHAT

[noble folio]

I forgot my Alsaahir token at home

Juggler = Alsa

[supple patio]

phew

actually started screaming for a second

(i didn't, i was just mildly worried)

[drifting quail]

i can't wait for the scarlet woman to get the goblin ability 😭

[noble folio]

Well, you gotta be careful with that as the ST obviously

I love the Cere Goblin interaction though

[crisp trout]

oh god not goblin CC

[noble folio]

Final 3, evil won.

[fossil tiger]

did the goblin get executed in f3?

[scenic thorn]

that would be a trick, given f3 appears to consist of a banshee a juggler and a kazali

[arctic bone]

vati's silence speaks volumes (or.. y'know... he's not online but I can speculate)

[sudden tendon]

I just woke up
I think goblin is bad at the best of times and goblin scarlet with plague doctor is incredibly oppressive but these conversations have all been had

[arctic bone]

but to be sure: was this change with or without your permission?

or am I misreading it and it's not actually a script change for the carousel at all but a house-change

[sudden tendon]

We've discussed that he wants to do it, I'm aware of it and asked him recently if it had been tested yet

[fossil tiger]

@sudden tendon what are reccomended travs for CC

[sudden tendon]

travellers that have worked in testing: Apprentice, Judge, kind of Harlot (really strong but Harlot always is), kind of Barista (undertested), the voting travellers (tricky with extra evils though), Gangster (but on a personal level I consider other killing travellers deprecated by Gnome)
travellers that would probably work: Bone Collector, Scapegoat, Gnome

I always choose the traveller and alignment after kazali picks to balance a setup back out (so e.g. someone is given a choice of 3-4 travellers after picks, to avoid stuff like throwing a barista in a fragile setup, and the alignment is tuned to the grim)

[sick sedge]

i can see why bureaucrat is tricky with extra evils, but why thief?

you’re so right about killing travelers

[arctic bone]

fmpov -1 vote is kind of the same thing I feel as +3, because it still takes 2 extra players to overturn the trav-chosen player's vote

[sick sedge]

ah i see

[noble folio]

no, the Demon killed the Goblin, which was kinda helpful, considering I as the Cere-ST was making other people mad they were the Goblin throughout most of the game

[noble folio]

so, after running the game yesterday I'd like to politely disagree. Goblin was a huge success, to the point that the evil team in my game yesterday didn't even feel the need to create a SW. of course, you as the ST have to make sure that there's no Goblin-SW, but that's easy enough, considering you control what ability the Plague Doctor grants. And if the Kazali creates SW and Goblin they might have all the survivability they can get, but none of the utility of the other Minions on the script, which is far from perfect against an otherwise stacked Town.
Goblin worked super well yesterday because of the Cerenovus Jinx and in order to sow some distrust among the good players. In the end, the Alsaahir also interestingly guessed 2 of the 3 evil players correctly, but missed the Goblin player(!) because they couldn't be sure due to all the other Goblin claims and because the Demon killed the Goblin late in the game at night.

[sudden tendon]

I will clarify that goblin being 'bad' in that post refers to disliking the character's dynamic in general and not to disliking it in a specific context

[noble folio]

ah, alright

I think it works really well on this script, although removing GF makes Moonchild stand out negatively as the only extra night death source

[sudden tendon]

(I also really don't like cere/goblin outside exactly HHR so that's another personal issue)

[noble folio]

well, too bad, because I think it works really well here 😄

[crisp trout]

i think the main issue with Goblin SW is the ST can’t bagbuild around it

because kazali

and Goblin SW is really oppressive if the evil team knows how to play it

[graceful seal]

Garden Warfare is oppressive?

[noble folio]

but a Kazali can't make a Goblin SW, they can just make a SW AND a Goblin, sacrificing any other utility from the pool of Minions

[graceful seal]

I mean

[sick sedge]

“Goblin SW” means the two minions

not a PD granting one ability to the other

[graceful seal]

Dreamer and Savant are the ones that can differentiate goblin/SW

[crisp trout]

TC yes on the SW and they just claim goblin

[sick sedge]

it’s oppressive because it’s REALLY hard for town to tell the difference between a goblin and a SW

[graceful seal]

ok I think this is mainly a problem in....

3 minion games

[crisp trout]

and the dreamer was gobbled up

[noble folio]

Alsaahir is also super strong against Goblin

[graceful seal]

although

Widow+SW+Goblin

Is so incredibly oppressive

town has no info to solve that

[sick sedge]

widow poisons one, demon kills the rest, goodbye

[noble folio]

Librarian also helps there

I think town has quite a few tools at their disposal against this

[graceful seal]

librarian helps.... how

with goblin/sw

[noble folio]

err, sorry

confused it with Investigator

[graceful seal]

what invest?

[noble folio]

hm, maybe Lib should turn Inv then

[graceful seal]

or maybe no goblin

[sick sedge]

“this player must be a minion! they’re not whispering in the library!”

[noble folio]

no, with my sample size of 1, I can confidently say that Goblin is great here

[graceful seal]

anyway vati has already kind of said something about invest absolutely destroying kazali

"you can backsolve the demon based on what minions they'd pick" was the take I think

which is fair

you can probably guess which of your friends picks goblin

and which one picks widow

[noble folio]

rather, I'd argue you can probably guess which of your friends would be turned into the actual Goblin

[graceful seal]

you can argue both

[noble folio]

fair

[graceful seal]

and invest would be too strong here

[noble folio]

so yeah, I still think Goblin works quite well here. maybe not perfect at 13+ players, but Alsaa, FT, Dreamer, TC all get a lot better with loud Minions and make up for the perceived imbalance that Widow/SW/Goblin would create

[graceful seal]

I mean, the TC does get yeses when the the goblin spam noms

with the demon

also claiming goblin

[noble folio]

sure, TC probably gets the smallest buff from that

[graceful seal]

really doubt that's a buff

[sick sedge]

i don’t think that strategy will work out as well in practice as you think it does in theory

[noble folio]

we'll see

[vapid flower]

There are like 3 potential differentiators (including General) plus Alsaahir helps against Goblin

It could work

Although with Plague Doctor it's rough

Dreamer can't differentiate a minion given SW and a minion given Goblin

[crisp lagoon]

There's dreamer AS TC and FT

But goblin SW together are very powerful and hard to distinguish

[fast maple]

TC is arguable, the Demon can always nom with a Minion

[crisp lagoon]

yeah

[vapid flower]

yeah if the demon and the goblin are both outed evil they can mess up TC

[dapper carbon]

They don't even have to out lol

TC fully doesn't solve goblin

[crisp lagoon]

It can if they get a no on the demon

Basically if evil forgets to play around it

[sick sedge]

skill issue

[dapper carbon]

Right but as a script writer that's not something you should ever count on

Assume that at least 1 game will be played with super advanced players, if there are any breaking strategies iron them out

At least that's my approach

[sick sedge]

you cant rely on evil forgetting to do something that almost completely neuters a role meant to solve a problem as a reason for it being acceptible

[viral pumice]

i feel like goblin is usually socially solved, even when there are mechanical solvers onscript for it

[vapid flower]

And that gets real messy with SW and Plague Doctor

[sudden tendon]

@mortal steppe do you remember who won this game? (Saw it checking livevoice a couple days ago but missed being able to spectate)

[mortal steppe]

Good

[primal holly]

GODFATHER!!! 🔥

[vapid flower]

Noo Godfather loss 😢

[scenic thorn]

Good won by the margin of ~1 vote after the poli played for good because he thought he wouldn't win if he played for evil

[crisp trout]

ngl that’s fair

why go for a possible win when you could guarantee a win

[fluid tulip]

I had a dream of clockwork cyborg which had homebrew on it

[sick sedge]

digital timepiece android

[fossil tiger]

livetext played a game of Clockwork Cyborg, we won from the alsaahir who refused to use their ability in the first two days

[sudden tendon]

wait did the alsaahir guess 2 demons

also, starting to formulate the hypothesis the reason people keep lib pinging the poli is to fuck with the wrong ping

[crisp lagoon]

does this work at 1 minion

this script

[dapper carbon]

Yeah it plays fine

[scenic thorn]

that was entirely why i lib pinged dire/carte and then dire subbed out

[fossil tiger]

@sudden tendon just executed the storyteller in CC and won :3

[sudden tendon]

context

[rocky ember]

group we were playing with decided to put secret atheist in rttb (this is what happens when you play with children)

so we were like “y’all this is clearly also secret atheist”

[fossil tiger]

(tbc there were like 4 amne claims over 8 players)

[crisp trout]

so was it secret atheist

[fossil tiger]

no I was the cerenovus

[fast maple]

script is heat

[drifting quail]

gf in the middle is crazy

[fast maple]

PD ability

Where else could I put it

[noble folio]

back into your BMR box, where it belongs

[sudden tendon]

CC is the Unofficial Discord's representation on the Streamer Stack list of endorsed Carousel scripts
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YCy0x7iPz7zf6relw7hy6gdd8BS7DtxhOC-vy8Z59ug/edit?tab=t.0

[noble folio]

I suggested CC for the Carousel Script collection, but unfortunately all the experimental characters on it were already covered by other scripts

[fast maple]

you couldn't've cut one of the other ones for cc? 🥹

[crisp trout]

despite 3 confirmed good players and a lot of correct worlds build, evil won a TKP

also moochild finally hit a good player!

they were cursed d1 and picked the pixie

[dapper carbon]

total knockout party no way

[wintry lance]

I was just spectating this game

phixsiX played insanely well

[crisp trout]

yeah really good social plays

[sick sedge]

moochild 🐮

[crisp trout]

moo

[fluid tulip]

What did physix do

[round fiber]

@sudden tendon CC on Patter's stream now

[sudden tendon]

I caught bits and pieces!

interesting amne lol

can someone post the ending grim here

[timid flume]

Interesting is in fact a way to describe the amne ability

[fast maple]

i missed it but when the vod goes up i can grab it

here's about what i remember from ending grim

[supple patio]

kizzle was the puzzledrunk

[long glen]

What was the amne ability?

[fast maple]

something along the lines of You think you are the Kazali & the players you pick as Minions think they become those evil Minions, but you are not & they do not. You all learn your true characters when you die.

[long glen]

That is barely a townsfolk?

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[crisp lagoon]

how would that have worked if they pick the real demon

actually whatever

[supple patio]

luminator got picked by both and learned two demons and i think an extra minion

so if the demon got picked they'd presumably know something was up

[gentle dust]

what is that useful for?

[floral moon]

self confirmation

[hollow ravine]

ok but why would they ever go guess their amne ability?

[crisp trout]

what on earth was that amne ability

maybe it was a TINMBH outsider amne

kazali does make arbitrary outsider count after all

[arctic bone]

I suppose it's nwm but worse and also a little magicianey

[fast maple]

it's the patters stream, they're known for weird & wacky stuff

[crisp trout]

i mean it’s a stream game so sure

entertainment

[vapid flower]

And 3 Outsiders in the bag on top of that 😭

[fluid tulip]

wasn't part of the point of CC that there are supposed to be more Outsiders than usual

[dense sluice]

Yeah it’s just unlucky none got hit but it’s also PD and Moonchild which aren’t too dangerous

[vapid flower]

The Amne is an Outsider

[crisp trout]

recreated CC game today

evil swept the whole game

ended in the oracle nominating the godfather

gf was starting banshee

[fossil tiger]

holy shit

what is up withthe amount of gf games

[sick sedge]

its cool

[fossil tiger]

it is but why

[tired heron]

at least this time it was on base 2 outsiders

[graceful seal]

Double kills, no one expects it, not wanting to kill outsiders

[fast maple]

wanting info but also being able to damsel win

recognizing that it's the minion on cc with the most raw aura

[crisp trout]

good win

pretty straightforward game, the savant info was impossible and there was no misinfo claims

the cere was locking the oracle as the PM and then they dropped the lock to frame the recluse, i think if they kept the lock they would have won

(the cere got killed by the kaz on the night before f3)

[crisp trout]

amne ability forced the kaz to pick cerenovus, good win

[drifting quail]

i almost throw 😭

[crisp trout]

its ok mizu you locked in and clutched up

[fast maple]

what was the amne?

[hollow ravine]

It forced kaz to pick a cerenovus apparently

[crisp trout]

On your first night, pick a minion character. The kazali must pick that character in their selection

[sick sedge]

not the best when the amne gets picked 😭

[crisp trout]

yeah that was a little silly

[calm shoal]

But the kazali still picks who

[vapid flower]

That's kinda shit

Worse invest

[crisp trout]

i mean sure

but invest isnt on script lmao

[sick sedge]

more like half of an engineer

[crystal nacelle]

Enginear

[crisp trout]

recreated IRL good win

cerenovus was outted evil but i made the plague doctor mad as the banshee on final day when they died. the PD was experienced but for most other people this was their first custom. however they managed to figure out what had happened despite that and the PD upheld madness and they sent on the demon in an isolated FT yes

pixie saw FT btw

also game 2, cere also outted due to damsel guessing wrong. kaz bluffing oracle showing the cere and banshee as the same allignment was puzzleguessed, i showed them the general. alsaahir then guessed the general and cere as the evil team, game didnt end, they killed the kaz

amne got a bingo on d2 despite not asking d1 (it was a newer player so i gave them a simpler ability)

[crisp trout]

I swear im not addicted to this script, i inherrited a lobby running it this time.

Widow poisoned the Puzzlemaster, which caused a constant math +1 and caused so much paranoia that it essentially cleared the demon of being the demon in all worlds where the math was sober and healthy (except for this fringe world ofc)

good won only because the demon self-nommed on final day as a bluff and town was so stuck that they just said "double bluff" and voted in hopes it was the demon

[sick sedge]

widow poisoned puzzlemaster for the permanent math +1 is awesome

[crisp trout]

good win, SW had huge social cred but the demon did not

[graceful seal]

Holy shenanigans

[graceful seal]

best part was the general

Kenoboi gave a Neutral

and I said "An outsider probably turned into a minion."

and then forgot about that like, a day later

[crystal nacelle]

Recreation of an evil win last night, somehow.

Amnesiac ability was sorta like a pseudo-noble, it was YSK 3 characters, 2 of which are in play. Starting damsel became the scarlet, and starting savant became the cere, cerelocking the banshee as the amnesiac. On day 1, 6 good players nominated, before people decided to tie off the outed poli, so nobody was executed day 1. Anyway the town crier got a no, AND the pixie confirmed amne died n2, giving the pixie amne a second round of info (I used the same ability). I was doing 5 star general, so I gave the general a 5 on n2, which stayed a 5 on n3 after the starting kazali was executed on n3. Then they executed the cerenovous because of town crier info, freeing the cerelocked banshee. Going into f7, the moonchild picked the poli after dying in the night, followed by the plague doctor being executed, resulting in a PD godfather kill, a moonchild kill and a demon kill (they killed the banshee).

F3 was scarlet bluffing damsel, general who had mostly received strongly good apart from the final night (because they were 😂 ), and a town crier with gamesolving info. The scarlet was nommed first and got 4 votes, which got lifted onto the general with 7 and the evil team somehow won after that disastrous n2-d3 stretch.

[graceful seal]

Currently watching some CC with @crisp trout

as the ST

it's a fire game

[crisp trout]

quite so

will post grim after because im addicted to clockposting

[graceful seal]

We have the most fire grim to show

vati you should see this

[crisp trout]

amne info was crazy

[sly shell]

Incredible

[graceful seal]

amne learned a 9

[sick sedge]

if the amne and damsel were swapped it would’ve been a 12

[crisp trout]

that woulda been great

[graceful seal]

that would have been the truth, the fact, and peak

(the amne was mildly cerelocked)

(it was uh.... not going to be solved on that token alone)

[timid flume]

I was so confused by that for a second

Forgot Moonchild was an outsider

[sick sedge]

many such cases

[primal holly]

good win

[tawny cloud]

‘give the Anne the largest number possible’ challenge. Very cool ability

[crisp trout]

rare godfather loss

[crisp trout]

oh i forgot to update the grim for f3

but it was a final three between the pixie, who was guessed correctly by the puzzle master on day one, the Scarlet woman, and the Towncrier

good wins because the Scarlet woman bluffing alsaahir guessed impossible info

[sick sedge]

he finally admits it (theres no other context don’t worry about it it’s fine)

[sudden tendon]

I now have 100 logged games where I know the outcome (many more games I know happened but don't know who won)

They are exactly 50/50

[crystal nacelle]

Can’t wait for the in person game tomorrow to swing it 51/50 either way

[crisp trout]

nah they’re gonna fiddle it and draw

[calm shoal]

But good still wins in draws

[timid flume]

They’re going to switch to chess in between the fiddle ending and the game ending so that draws are allowed

[primal holly]

awful script might as well just toss a coin

[dapper carbon]

And the fact that it's tipping away from 50/50 means it's unbalanced

[crystal nacelle]

It’s now 51-50 to good!

[sudden tendon]

how'd the game go?

[crystal nacelle]

Oh the demon and scarlet got executed back to back 💀

[sudden tendon]

d2 rerack night

[dapper carbon]

Unbalanced script, needs a total rework

[crystal nacelle]

@sudden tendon time to replace the kazali with lord of typhon

[hollow ravine]

You mean riot right?

[sudden tendon]

livevoice cc, evil win (51/51 let's go)

[viral pumice]

The seamstress ping!

[solemn ruin]

Possibly been answered earlier -- are there fancy PDFs of this script anywhere?

[fringe pawn]

@sudden tendon what colour would you associate with this script most

[hollow ravine]

Magenta

[fringe pawn]

vati is the Clockwork Cyborg so i'll listen to his input as priority 🫡 (the cere has clockwork magicy computer stuff in my hc)

[supple patio]

the vibe i always got was ||very orange||, but i'm curious to see what vati says

[hollow ravine]

I feel like that's more the name than the script though tbf

[solemn ruin]

this is now inspiring me to make scripts with different colors for vibes

[crisp trout]

oh my god this is just like “what color is each school subject” all over again

how do you guys assign colors to abstract concepts

like how does that even work

[solemn ruin]

vibes

[vapid flower]

with school subjects it's usually the colour of the book tbh

but there's some obvious ones like biology is green

[tired heron]

usually vibes, but in this case i actually just associate it with the color of the creator's username

so CC is purple

(yes i know vati isnt purple anymore but they were when they made it)

[crisp trout]

yeah i cant visualize vibes

but when there’s a physical object related to the subject i get it

[solemn ruin]

I think once you set a notebook color in your mind it's fixed forever, even if you forget the original reason

[crisp trout]

yeah that’s understandable

[sudden tendon]

This is correct

Anyway I guess it should be purple

/indigo

[fringe pawn]

yippee

[solemn ruin]

YOOOOO

[gentle dust]

what does godfather do here again?

[solemn ruin]

make outsider claims dangerous to execute and accelerate the game, though I hear it's the least commonly-made minion?

[sudden tendon]

It's a lot more common these days than it was

[solemn ruin]

based

[sudden tendon]

It's basically "witch with a different set of tradeoffs" so their relative power varies on how much you think you can control noms vs executions

[solemn ruin]

oh btw, do you have bagbuilding recommendations for 13-15p games?

[sudden tendon]

"pray"

in 15p you probably have a bag of demon/4 outsiders/10 townsfolk so it's pure "what you leave out" vs "what you put in"

[solemn ruin]

excellent i shall let you know the results of the game

[sick sedge]

demon/1 outsider/13 townsfolk and give 3 outsider bluffs 😎

[noble folio]

Poli Townsfolk and Cere Outsider? 😄

[cosmic berry]

There's a very subtle shift in the background colour to indicate grouping

[noble folio]

I know, but that one's totally going to be lost on most printers

[cosmic berry]

Yeah I agree. It needs some kind of divider there.

My tool also does the offset thing when there's an odd number of Outsiders/Minions, but just connects the dividing line vertically.
Although it creates a bit of a weird look with CC cause of the solo demon that I'm struggling with a little.

[sudden tendon]

I think having Scarlet lean into the demon a bit is cool actually

[noble folio]

yeah, that's much better

@cosmic berry do you also have this in A4, by chance? 😄 and... with Goblin instead of GF? 😬

[sudden tendon]

This is your sign to start playing the real version

[cosmic berry]

Haha unfortunately not.
The tool was made to replicate the official scripts as closely as possible, so only does 20x27cm scripts.
I can export one with a Goblin though if you’d like?

[sudden tendon]

I kind of don't want a script going around publicly that's named CC and has a character/dynamic I explicitly don't want on it but DMing one (so it doesn't get mixed up somewhere on the internet outside bra1n's group) should be fine

[cosmic berry]

Oh yeah of course that’s totally understandable.
Might be worth naming it something slightly different too to prevent possible confusion for those who do get their hands on it.

[noble folio]

oh, it's not responsive-ish? sure, please DM me a Goblin-ed version of it 😄

[noble folio]

have you tried CC with Goblin yet?

[sudden tendon]

I've tried goblin/kazali + goblin/scarlet + goblin/cere separately and have at least two of them as "I really don't want this to be on a script I make"

[noble folio]

fair enough. I still think GF is by far the weakest minion on the list, but it doesn't have to be replaced with Goblin of course

I'll run some more games of CC with Goblin in my group and see how it goes. the one we had was a riot

[cosmic berry]

Nah not really unfortunately. Everything’s pretty hard coded cause the background assets and stuff are all for that size too.

[fast maple]

I've STed a decent amount of 15p CC! The notes I have:

• Damsel is SCARY because evil basically knows every token that's out of the bag. Be very cautious when putting it in and make sure there's cover for it (though sometimes you can't prevent the Pixie, Banshee, and Politician from getting kazpicked and the damsel getting instaguessed)
• Like Vati alluded to, +2 outsiders from base count feels about right at 3 minion. Be careful with the PM/PD/Poli trio since that can be super devastating for good but good can win those fine, it's just tricky
• Alsaahir is notably weaker at this count than it otherwise would be. Moonchild is notably stronger (for good) at this count than it otherwise would be. In my experience, Math is also stellar at 3-minion where there's usually at least one of PM/Widow/Recluse in play, if not all three.
• Do crazy things! Have fun with it! Puzzledrunk moonchildren and do fun amnes! Just keep the pace — if good has enough time to untangle the implications of their info then it can be very uphill for evil, more than usual given how strong the Townsfolk are here and the limited droison

[solemn ruin]

Beautiful, thanks so much! You probably saved the group from damsel hell o7

<- does not rack many 3 minion games

[solemn ruin]

Evil win on F3 with the General crashing out on having the correct world but being the frame

[viral pumice]

So so valid

[solemn ruin]

triple kill N2, godfather claimed oracle. Kazali killed the godfather N3, claimed pixie oracle, and then pushed godfather evil, which wasted a billion executions and everyone's time

[sick sedge]

triple kill from moonchild+gf?

[solemn ruin]

Yep!

[crisp trout]

Why do you have the unofficial tokens

[solemn ruin]

my irl group has both diy and official tokens, someone else was racking TB for new players immediately after this and I didn't want to make them deal with finding the lib/recluse/ft tokens

[crisp trout]

ic

[noble folio]

all 5 outsiders? oof

[solemn ruin]

hey, I left off the Damsel!

[noble folio]

oh right, it's actually 6

[solemn ruin]

put Moonchild in as a townsider, and it worked out alright -- the Kazali picked 2 outsiders and made a Godfather, which brought it back to a standard Godfather +1 game

(and depending on how the Kaz-picks fell, I was perfectly happy to consider puzzledrunking one of the other outsiders)

[noble folio]

I assume the Noble "Know" is for Widow?

[solemn ruin]

yup!

[noble folio]

and GF didn't kill the Banshee when they had the chance? 😮

[solemn ruin]

They almost did and decided against it! I don't know whether they knew that player was the Banshee or not -- I hadn't noticed them speaking with the Widow day 1.

I think either would have been a fine choice -- the Banshee player has resting sus face in our group

[noble folio]

ah, I see

[solemn ruin]

iirc the Godfather went for a player in a confirmation chain instead

[noble folio]

fair enough. what was the PD ability?

[solemn ruin]

Cerenovus, but the PD was being framed as a minion and I was asked to effectively sink it

so I did!

(Demon approached me and asked to be cere-locked as their claim indefinitely should the PD die -- I initially thought they had some gigabrain "explode into a SW pass" play in mind, but turns out they just wanted no evidence of a Plague Doctor proccing)

[sick sedge]

pd could've given sw to the sw lol

[solemn ruin]

trueee

[primal holly]

uh i dont have a grim pic but evil won

think it was 9 player Kaz Widow

[crystal nacelle]

single minion widow

booooo

[primal holly]

cringe

damsel in play too so there were lowkey punished for it

[crystal nacelle]

so cringe

[fast maple]

godfather stays winning

[primal holly]

im a cere scarlet chad

[solemn ruin]

godfather/witch and ask the st to only give the savant statements about who's witch cursed

[fast maple]

godfather/scarlet so when the moonchild picks me the godfather can kill me in the night

[wintry lance]

I love hard confirming good players!

[fast maple]

the good players i wasn't framing

[wintry lance]

I will say you can pull a very similar stunt with a Witch. And it's a lot easier.

[sudden tendon]

I personally find it a lot easier to get people executed than to make them make helpful-to-you noms on a witch script

[wintry lance]

No, you just straight up have the Witch choose you

[fringe pawn]

if i'm kazali here i'm making witch godfather bc i am tempo maxxing

i want to witch curse the PD and then get 3 kills in the night

its peak

[wintry lance]

Cutting out the MC middleman, with very little loss of social credit.

[solemn ruin]

ok when we inevitably play cc together I know who I'm framing

[fringe pawn]

yippee

[sick sedge]

i still haven’t played cc 😔

[graceful seal]

CC is peak

[void wasp]

ran CC for the first time yesterday, good won in a super close F3 where at least two people were reasonable demon candidates and the other one was being built as demon even though it was impossible

the witch bluffed the amne ability "Each night, learn who is witch cursed". I wonder who would do such a thing @fossil tiger

[fossil tiger]

I wonder...

[arctic bone]

I think I've bluffed exactly that amne on CC before as the kazali who made a witch in livetext lol

[lapis hornet]

Ran a couple of games with CC and really enjoyed it. The game of meta’ing Kazali and witch picks was really interesting

[lapis hornet]

The only thing is godfather seems really under picked in this script…. I’m wondering if Xaan or Wraith could replace it? (Assume the ruling is that X is the number of outsiders in the game after kazali made their picks)

[fast maple]

Godfather's a sleeper pick - it's a witch sidegrade that also gets info (while not disabling the Damsel like the Widow does)

and it can do things like kill the Banshee without proccing it

it feels out of place at first but actually picking it, it feels great

[crystal nacelle]

it's good for tempo and making town weary of executing into outsiders

[sudden tendon]

Over the long term it's worked out to being about 50-70% as common as the other matched-popularity picks which I'm happy with

As the script and its play patterns become better known the benefits of picking it are more apparent

I struggled with choice balance for a long time but the stable (current) version of the script deals with this to about as good a degree as I think Kazali realistically can

[sly shell]

Evil win in longtext (feat. Godfather)

[long glen]

(Poli bluffed Widow ping)

[fast maple]

Vortox??

[maiden oak]

it was a vortox game duh

[floral moon]

can confirm i was the vortox

[sudden tendon]

(:kazali: emoji obviously)

[sly shell]

Amne ability

(/j ofc)

[noble folio]

How many starting outsiders?

[sly shell]

3 in bag

Kazali turned SS and General

[maiden oak]

Yeah, evil got lucky by not picking any of them

[fringe pawn]

hey guys is this set up fair

but for real, what is the rule of thumb for outsiders on this script?

i know at higher counts it can get awkward with damsel

[vapid flower]

I think Vati says to generally aim for around 1 more outsider than the base count for 7-12p games and 2 more than the base count for 13-15

[fluid tulip]

I think even having base count is ok

[wintry lance]

Wait wait hang on does PM drunk someone before kazali picks?

[vapid flower]

no

[wintry lance]

Oh thank goodness

[fringe pawn]

no i was just being a dickhead and trying to be silly 😭

[viral pumice]

Honestly playing damsel at a larger number of players often involves trustfalling with someone on like d2 and then swapping roles

Or just getting yourself executed d1 in a gambit

[fast maple]

damsel at 3-minion cc is absolutely brutal because evil tends to know exactly what tokens are in the bag

so you do just have to trustfall with someone

[crisp lagoon]

oh yeah

[crisp trout]

9 player game good win

the Kaz made the poli into the godfather

forgot to screenshot will recreate later

on f3 i got to make foxx PD ceremad as the role theyd been bluffing the whole game

[crisp trout]

15p game evil wins

amne ability was "YSK the longest line of alternating character types"

[tired heron]

i didnt know your name was nerdguy

[graceful seal]

It’s a good amne ability

[graceful seal]

Did they get it

[crisp trout]

no 😔

closish by the end

[graceful seal]

😢

Not again

[crisp trout]

remember when we gave the amne a 9 and it was true

[graceful seal]

That was pretty funny

[crisp trout]

in like 12 player game

[graceful seal]

“Oh yea I had this amne ability, X”

“What’s the number”

“9”

“Oh”

-recreation of the convo

The player: “WTF IS MY AMNE ABILITY”

Hmm I think I figured out how to make it a functioning TF

[near knoll]

50/50ed wrong 😔

Did have 2 out of the 3 minions down as the correct minion on final day though

[crystal nacelle]

@woeful palm getting the widow ping…who cooked?

[crystal nacelle]

It’s cus you were pixie confirmed, not librarian confirmed

[near knoll]

True if I was librarian confirmed I would have won

[primal holly]

tf are blitz elli and foxx doing on an official app public lobby

i’m assuming foxx recruitment tactics

[crystal nacelle]

Pixlate app game when

[primal holly]

i do!

[tawny cloud]

Hey, I was planning to run CC in ~12 hours, I was curious what sort of amne abilities work best/uniquely for this script? I have a few ideas already, but I’m mostly just curious what other people think have worked well for them

[wintry lance]

"YSK the longest line of alternating character types"

[graceful seal]

The trend must continue until an Amne solves it

(Expect to get numbers bigger than 5.)

[hollow ravine]

just give them the engineer ability lol

(don't actually do this)

it's balanced by them never figuring it out

[crisp trout]

“YSK the longest line of alternating character types" amne will continue until morale improves

[crisp trout]

one i really like that ive used on a different script is “YSK the alsaahir player. Each night*, learn how many evil players they guessed.”

of course if the alsaahir gets kazali sniped then you can’t do this one but

shrug

i’ve also seen ab interesting one on the kazali release script which went like “On your first night, pick 2 (depends on player count) players. the kazali cannot pick them as minions”

it’s a bit janky tho

[gentle dust]

The odds of Alsaahir or Amne dying early is pretty high

[lapis hornet]

I’ve done “each night, keep picking players until a person with a different character type is picked”

Decently strong and not too hard to figure out

[vapid flower]

idk if you keep track of stats here but in case you do then livetext good win

[dapper carbon]

Another kazali loss 😔 man that demon's really lost more than any other demon on script

[high token]

(Kazali self killed N2)

(Fwiw)

[fluid tulip]

Hey sometimes that strategy wotks

And sometimes it doesnt

[dapper carbon]

Ya

You gotta lean into it

[high token]

Kaz claimed widow ping d1 + backed into Banshee start of D2 (we thought maybe widow poisoned to bluff where pm drunk was)

SW turned Kaz bluffed Seam No between Kaz and Oracle

[vapid flower]

eeb claimed Banshee to me day 1 as well so it was a pre-planned bluff

[fluid tulip]

I think it's like

In another situation with other players and different socials

It worka

Works

Good to get context but a loss is a loss

[crisp trout]

what travelers are recomended for this script?

[floral moon]

apprentice/harlot/gnome have, i think BC might as well

[sudden tendon]

1. Apprentice
2. Judge
3. Harlot
4. Bone Collector
5. Gangster

Gnome is not a recommended traveller

[sick sedge]

oh interesting, why gangster over gnome?

[sudden tendon]

also a bit harder to gangster kill a damsel than gnome kill one```

[sick sedge]

gotcha

[vapid flower]

-# also Gnome is horribly unbalanced

[crisp trout]

evil win

[high token]

livetext gaming (evil win)

[sudden tendon]

lepa playing cc!

[tired heron]

he was not happy about it lol

[maiden oak]

but he said this game was insane so i think he liked it

this game was really weird ngl

lepa was outed minion and yet town still thought he was good 💀

[tired heron]

there were also effectively 5 outsider claims on day 3

and lepakon did the whole “exe me now because im going to get framed” and then failed to get executed for two days in a row because of voting shenanigans

[maiden oak]

Finished a livetext game

godfather was pixie

cerenovus was savant

this game was hell

everyone was confused by the end

[sudden tendon]

who won

[maiden oak]

evil won

[sudden tendon]

lepa based

[maiden oak]

also

the cerenovus picked the demon N1 and N2

he was almost executed

due to madness

damsel n1 politician n2

[sudden tendon]

what was the amne ability

[maiden oak]

it was a simple one

each night pick 3 players see if they are a possible noble ping

amne wouldve solved it d2.... if they lived until there

[sharp tapir]

Finally finished this

Thanks to the kitchen for all the feedback on the design

[sudden tendon]

BASED

[solemn ruin]

yoooooo

[sudden tendon]

I mentioned this in a vc I'm in and amy went verbatim "yo that's sick holy shit"

[crisp trout]

YOOOOOO

[sharp tapir]

Oh yea alternate back

I'll probably be printing these soon before my next session

If anyone wants the HD files or version without night order on the side just message me and I'll get them as soon as I can

[solemn ruin]

I absolutely want them

no rush tho

[noble folio]

are these A4 or US Letter sized?

[sharp tapir]

A4!

And here are the PDF's for printing and the Jpeg's in full hd without compression for anyone who wants

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1vY8D0U3OZ9GCPtL-XNweM9YulpOHFz-P?usp=drive_link

[sudden tendon]

also I hate to say this but Cerenovus is spelled as Ceronovus on here

[sharp tapir]

LMAO

Uhh

It's gonna be a bit till I can fix it but I'll update it as soon as possible

[crisp trout]

longtext d2 damsel guess

[wintry lance]

Another GF win for the books!

Ignore the fact the GF ability wasn't that important to the evil win this game!

[floral moon]

hey the gf got a kill!

[crisp trout]

the gf self killed when the moonchild picked them

and the gf was faking a widow ping so it made them a lot more trustworthy and narrowed down damsel candidates when people out of their roles

[wintry lance]

Yeah, but the damsel straight up told the evil team they were the damsel. Before any kills. Self kill was useful, but evil would've probably figured it out eventually.

Well played to evil, ofc.

GF was the best minion they could've had in the situation, but another minion would've worked is what I'm saying.

[timid flume]

It was honestly very good

[zenith bluff]

Anyone have night order

Running it now

[solemn ruin]

.

[zenith bluff]

Best friend ever

[solemn ruin]

reference to the hit bhamber script

[zenith bluff]

Update: Alsaahir win rahhhhhh

Alsaahir is a townsfolk

[sick sedge]

puzzledrunk kazali 🔥 🔥

[zenith bluff]

Oops we got kicked out of the room so we had to move and it fell during moving

Dreamer was puzzle drunk

-# I forgot to give drunk info on night 1 when they chose the demon

[hollow ravine]

i mean kazali is a fine evil to give if you don't want to give away any info on the minion state

[zenith bluff]

True yeah

Definitely made the Puzzlemaster guess wrong which is good

[hollow ravine]

especially n1

[zenith bluff]

Yeah

I wish I gave savant instead of recluse

Since recluse could cause the same info

[iron hedge]

that's actually very true

[zenith bluff]

Uh replaced characters were banshee and seamstress

[hollow ravine]

why not place the replaced tokens next to the bluffs on the right half of grim?

(not criticizing, just suggesting/curious about your grim management lol)

[zenith bluff]

I did. They’re off screen

[hollow ravine]

valid lol

[zenith bluff]

Every not in play character was on the side there

Because I didn’t want to fish them out of 6 boxes of tokens

[hollow ravine]

same

[zenith bluff]

I also really didn’t want to confuse a hypothetical widow

[hollow ravine]

isn't that just a wife?

[zenith bluff]

👏

[iron hedge]

wwait

[crisp trout]

8p livevoice

good almost sent on the FT on f4 but at the last second solved for a puzzledrunk dreamer that got sober info the first 2 nights

sun was starting Poli

[void wasp]

the curse of kazalis picking the absolute worst possible characters to turn into their minions

[dense sluice]

Sun's not that bad of a character!

[crisp trout]

oh yeah good was decimating evil for 90% of this game

evil had a 1 day comeback but then lost anyway

[supple patio]

yo vati you ever considered storm catching an outsider so that the kazali knows who to avoid when creating a godfather?

[crisp trout]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-writing-fire-his-writing-is-fire-is-this-fire-hold-up-gif-15400153686296022809

[hollow ravine]

yeah, let's stormcatch the

that'll go great!

[brisk lodge]

Damsel wants to die by execution anyway

[crisp trout]

surely this is the worst issue

[crystal nacelle]

The Kazali attacking the damsel at night and nobody dying 🔥🔥🔥

[hollow ravine]

i mean it gives kazali a reason not to go widow, I guess

[round fiber]

Seems like CC is on the TPI stream now 👀 (player perspective though)

[wintry lance]

SPOILERS FOR THE OUTCOME: ||Evil won||

[sudden tendon]

grim pic? 👀

[wintry lance]

I'll dig it out once the stream ends

[wintry lance]

Sorry for all the twitch nonsense

||Leave it to Ben to win a game with no misinfo and his demon dead immediately. Only seen that happen one other time.||

[viral pumice]

what were ben & jojo's starting roles, out of curiosity?

[wintry lance]

Ben Plague Doctor, Jojo no clue

[viral pumice]

oof starting outsider too

[fluid tulip]

Clockwork Cyborg is such a unique beast

[viral pumice]

right?? my group overplayed it so we've kinda gone off it

[fluid tulip]

Ahh I seeee

[viral pumice]

i love it tho

[solemn ruin]

oh no your lobster is too buttery

[viral pumice]

what

[fluid tulip]

It's a way of saying oh no you've had too much of a good thing

[solemn ruin]

(this is a very good problem to have and I am mildly envious lol)

[fluid tulip]

What annoyed the group about CC?

[viral pumice]

i see

[fluid tulip]

It's an unique problem to have

[wintry lance]

Well I'm lactose intolerant and might have a mild shelfish allergy so...

How dare you Amy

[fluid tulip]

And the group can probably see issues with the script which others wouldn't bc they've overplayed it

[viral pumice]

idk i think some people would get kaz picked quite regularly and others not at all, but i think there was a more even and stable meta very close as we stopped playing it

not a script thing, just a kazali thing tbh

i still love it

i might try and run it again in the near future

[fluid tulip]

That's the main issue with kazali

[wintry lance]

I think Ben got picked there because of his friendly rivalry with Nicky and because he's really good.

Kazali just has a tendency to potentially develop a meta.

If that can be resisted, its a great character. This script is a perfect showcase of it.

[round fiber]

Jojo started as the FT

[dense sluice]

big "if you're allergic to peanuts dont make peanut soup?" energy 😂

[solemn ruin]

3 traveller spots open for this in livetext

[hollow ravine]

are there recommended travelers?

[timid flume]

Idk

Doesn’t even matter

[timid flume]

15 + 3 evil win

(Good Apprentice & Bone Collector, Evil Gnome)

[hollow ravine]

ofc evil waffles was evil

[timid flume]

Nah he was good

Trust

The game took not 18 years because of 2 witch kills and 3 gnome kills and 0 gf kills

[hollow ravine]

and a partridge in a pear tree?

[timid flume]

Yep

[solemn ruin]

so glad I could get that seamstress yes between the demon and the godfather before dipping

[twin galleon]

I was literally told I got a kill one night then halfway through the night atx revoked it

[wintry lance]

I mean, no GF kills means the GF is doing its job. Disincentivizing executing outsiders

[twin galleon]

I was claiming puzzle master and at least one person tried getting me exed daily

[timid flume]

We did kill an outsider during the day but not until after waffles dies

[hollow ravine]

that's because you were evil

[twin galleon]

The main person who was pushing on me (dire) literally admitted after the game they didn’t know why they were so tunnelled on me

[hollow ravine]

its literally in your name bud

[timid flume]

Unfortunately the random tunnel caused two seamstresses to spend on waffles

[solemn ruin]

I'd be a fool not to check the moochild-chosen player in a gnome pair

[high token]

Livetext game, Evil Won
Kaz bluffed Seam
GF bluffed Recluse with a Widow ping (was TC prior to being Kazzed)
Amne abilty was "EN*, learn a player aligned with today's executee", didn't bingo
What bits and pieces of Amne's guesses did yield, Town didn't believe would be an Amne ability, so they got exed in f3

[fast maple]

Kazali with +0 outsiders 🥲

[crisp trout]

guys i get the godfather meta stays winning but why on earth did the kaz pick godfather on 7p

[timid flume]

7p 😭

[high token]

Thought Pebbles wldve made an Outsider somewhere

[sick sedge]

i mean it has to happen sometimes for a single outsider claim to not be confirmed in base 0

[sudden tendon]

there's this demon on the script called Kazali that makes starting outsider claims untrustworthy

[tired heron]

the outsider can be kazali picked. it doesnt confirm them

[wintry lance]

Awful. Get rid of it. It has a much higher winrate than the rest of the demons because of it.

[hollow ravine]

that seems unfair. You should either get rid of Kansas was it? or just tell everyone who the outsiders are at the start of the game

[sick sedge]

i may be stupid

still, that means they’re not the starting demon

[hollow ravine]

or it could be a bluff?

the demon starts knowing 3 characters that are not in play?

[tired heron]

i mean, theoretically the outsider could get kazali picked and then not bluff outsider

[sick sedge]

ig

[solemn ruin]

I concur with getting rid of Kansas

[sick sedge]

i don’t think it should be a hard rule that base 0 needs to always have an outsider just on a conceptual level (unfortunately i haven’t actually played cc so i am admittedly talking out of my ass here)

almost always sure

[solemn ruin]

you should fix this

[sick sedge]

haven’t had the opportunity

[wintry lance]

From a game balance POV, at 7 player I'm adding an outsider to the bag rarely if ever. If the Kazali makes a godfather, what did they expect?

[hollow ravine]

at b0, a godfather gets up to 4 free bluffs, on top of the token they pulled

if the kazali wasn't adding outsiders

[wintry lance]

Especially given the outsides here get more dangerous the less characters are in play.

[wintry lance]

That's true, still a useful character to grab. But isn't it kinda a worse Widow?

[sick sedge]

pfft

[solemn ruin]

it doesn't drunk the out-of-play damsel

[wintry lance]

Uhm, actually Widow doesn't drunk the out-of-play Damsel either. Widow poisons the out-of-play Damsel.

Anyway, as I was saying, a Kaz making a Godfather in 7 player is hoist by his own petard.

[sick sedge]

yeah even if there WAS an outsider there was a 1/6 chance of turning them into the godfather

its a gamble, either a nearly-blank minion token or the potential to eat one of town’s 3 executions

[wintry lance]

Speaking of eating executions, it'd be really nice if there was another minion for that. Maybe one that makes players "mad" as another character. Just a hunch

One that kills upon nominating would probably also help with that.

[sick sedge]

wait you’re so right

i knew cere

witch is just Better than gf in this context

[fluid tulip]

Godfather was better than self poisoning widow here, but at times an extra Outsider can be added. It's fine

[viral pumice]

We had a bunch of games today

I don't have the grims

Grim 1:
Godfather (starting oracle)
Amne
TC
Pixie (TC)
Recluse
Kaz
Seamstress
General

Kaz executed in f6

---

Grim 2:
General (widow ping) (wrong lib ping)
Lib
Widow (starting FT)
Kaz
Savant
Damsel (poisoned via widow jinx)
Alsaahir (widow poisoned)

Widow executed d1 when alsaahir forgot to use their ability, then alsaahir guessed the evil team d2

---

Grim 3:
Kaz
FT
Seam
Amne
Math edit: (puzzle drunk)
Cere (starting pixie)
Puzzlemaster

Evil win. Cere executed in f3.

[fluid tulip]

Who was puzzle drunk

[lyric bluff]

The math was

[fluid tulip]

I seeee

[crisp trout]

good win

damsel was executed d1 and banshee killed n2

[wintry lance]

Oof rough start for evil

[primal holly]

general info would’ve gone hard

[graceful seal]

it was good/good/good/good/neutral I believe

[graceful seal]

I fucked up my savant info because I thought the general was the damsel

sooooo

evil lost

[crisp trout]

evil win

Town skipped three days of executions though so it was kind of their fault

[noble folio]

Puzzledrunk Alsa? Oof

[fluid tulip]

3 days???

[fast maple]

@vati evil won 9p

[fast maple]

got played on TPI stream!

[round fiber]

Yoo can't believe I missed it. I love aussie tpi

[round fiber]

Oh it's been on TPI stream last night as well

[sudden tendon]

how'd that game go?

[high token]

no idea what happened

Kaz win