Orchestral Suite

[plucky burrow]

Thanks!

[frosty tangle]

Gave +1 Thanks to @hollow ferry (current: #1616 - 3)

[plucky burrow]

Ohhh, hmmm

the only 1 issue I see with that is what if they don't know what info they'd get

hmm

like, what if it is a role that learns a character and they are told a 1

any ideas?

[hollow ferry]

What was the wording you used for that Composer ability with me? I'd do like that.

[plucky burrow]

Each night, choose 2 alive players (not yourself): the demon learns who you picked and chooses your information.

but the composer knew what they were

[hollow ferry]

Okay, so how about;

Each night, choose a player. If they would wake to learn information, learn what they would learn, then decide what information they learn instead.

[plucky burrow]

none of the acting anymore?

Personally I really liked the old Percussion 😦
Ima feel sad if it goes

[hollow ferry]

More the old Percussion also causes waking. So are you alright for double dipping on waking?

[plucky burrow]

hmmmm

Well do want quite a few ways people can act abnormally

And I kind of want more so

ok I wanna make a list of every single role that cause abnormal acting

[hollow ferry]

In that case, Percussion causes waking roles to be poisoned, while the... Idiophone(?) causes kills on second choice.

[plucky burrow]

Clarinettist | -
Bassoonist | -/+
Violinist | +
Harpist | -/+
Repeat | +
Rest | -
Percussion | +
Brass | +/-
Woodwind | +
Orchestrator | -

[plucky burrow]

hmm

Oh I had it as Woodwind

to fit the theme

[hollow ferry]

Woodwind it is! 😁
(I just searched up Instrument Classifications and Idiophone was the first I saw free. 😂)

[plucky burrow]

Hmm, is this enough?

[plucky burrow]

ah ok xD

[hollow ferry]

Honestly, pretty good list. Possibly make a Minion have a don't wake up so there's a nice balance.

[plucky burrow]

String doesn't wake up

[hollow ferry]

No no, sorry. I mean as in cause not waking up to allow for some anti-town waking measures.

[plucky burrow]

Hmm, maybe...

[plucky burrow]

Wait Brass does that

[hollow ferry]

I have an idea, possibly for Percussion, that I just want you to hear and consider.

Each night, choose a player. They wake exactly as many times as they should for their character, and are poisoned until dusk.

Means it does not make additional wake ups, even for town, which could be highly disruptive for its own reasons.

[plucky burrow]

Hmmm

So nothing can disrupt them?

I mean

that is an extremely small niche

Anything that could make it less of a niche?

[plucky burrow]

Any ideas @hollow ferry ?

[hollow ferry]

Well like I said, twas an idea and less an actual suggestion. Just an idea that is exactly that niche, something that stops waking up oddly.

[plucky burrow]

I am still a little worried there isn't enough...

ok I have an idea

Ima compare this to BMR

and see if the numbers line up

[hollow ferry]

Good idea, see what does and doesn't cause deaths.

[plucky burrow]

mhm

gimme a bit

GM | +
Sailor | -
Exorcist | -
Innkeeper | -
Gambler | +
Gossip | +
Courtier | -
Minstrel | -
TL | -
Fool | -
Goon | -
Tinker | +
MC | +
GF | +
Assassin | +
Mastermind | -
Zombuul | -
Shaboloth | +
Po | -/+

Little bigger...

and this is just things that can mess with the basic 1 death per night

[hollow ferry]

Hmm... I suppose the difference is, however, that waking up means more information. Not waking up means less. So as a result, while deaths are a lot more varied, the ability to wake up and not wake up can have a somewhat bigger impact than just dying and not-dying.

Plus, as much as yes more waking is fun, it is a lot of work for the storyteller.

[plucky burrow]

hmmm

[fickle heart]

@plucky burrowyou still need help or you'd figure it out?

[plucky burrow]

Help would be nice

[fickle heart]

alright what's currently happening?

[plucky burrow]

Percussion is kind of out of a job

Since the new minion Woodwind has taken the spotlight

Personally I really like Percussion as it is

Each night, choose a player, they might act an additional time but if good they are poisoned for 1 of their actions until dusk.

Each night*, choose a player: they wake an additional time tonight. players chosen twice die.

[fickle heart]

These are for percussion?

[plucky burrow]

nonono

The second one is for Woodwind

The Assassin replacement

Personally I think that I'd rather nerf Woodwind than Buff percussion

Unless the theme stick

I just like it

well I also liked the older Assassin replacement and now we are here 😦

[fickle heart]

hmm the ability doesn't seem that great

[plucky burrow]

which one?

[fickle heart]

this one

[plucky burrow]

That is Woodwind

I mean, if you can change it then by all means

go ahead

[fickle heart]

This ability just seems pretty convoluted without much benefit

[plucky burrow]

Hey!

[fickle heart]

generally the simpler an ability is the better it is

[plucky burrow]

😢

well what do you want from it?

[fickle heart]

what is it trying to fulfil?

[plucky burrow]

Poisoning and also some acting manipulation

[fickle heart]

can I see the current full script?

[plucky burrow]

kk!

Ok for some reason the app I use to make them into images is down Xb

oh wait

Ohhh

Ok I need to fix the json

sorry Xb

[fickle heart]

all good

[plucky burrow]

Nearly done

I just need to redo the whole night order

[fickle heart]

lol all good

[plucky burrow]

V16

[plucky burrow]

Here ya go

[fickle heart]

ok thanks

[plucky burrow]

Yeah I just had to mess around with Bloodstar Xb

Bloodstar SUCKS

[fickle heart]

I don't find bloodstar that bad

[plucky burrow]

Just so annoying

[fickle heart]

Ok so a replacement for percussion that poisons?

[plucky burrow]

Well a replacement for the ability

[plucky burrow]

Either for Percussion or Woodwind

[fickle heart]

Once per game, during the night, if nobody dies, poison all Townsfolk.

[plucky burrow]

uhhh

[fickle heart]

wait

until dusk

lol

[plucky burrow]

I don't really like the main source of Pasta being Once Per Game Xb

[fickle heart]

fair

[plucky burrow]

Posion*

Why did I right Pasta? Xb

[fickle heart]

You start knowing a In play Townsfolk, when they die learn a living Townsfolk. The Townsfolk you last learned is poisoned.

[plucky burrow]

uhh

These do not feel good...

[fickle heart]

hmm

[plucky burrow]

Personally, keep it like a poisoner

[fickle heart]

it needs a design space

[plucky burrow]

I mean

You could also change Woodwind a bit

instead

[fickle heart]

something more than just that it poisons

[plucky burrow]

because the only reason i want Percussion to be changed is Woodwind is too similar

but honestly I'd like Woodwind to change over Percussion

do you think you can work with that? 😄

[fickle heart]

Either way there needs to be a smaller design space

[plucky burrow]

hmmm, idk what that really means Xb

[fickle heart]

Like what else should the character fit

besides just poisoner

[plucky burrow]

Well...

the main thing is that it needs more Info

[fickle heart]

wym?

[plucky burrow]

Misinfo

Sorry Xb

sorry I am multitasking

[fickle heart]

ah hmm

well yea but is there a certain flavor or theme it should follow?

[plucky burrow]

Hmm, Acting manipulation is nice but uh. Maybe something that allows them to choose the info

Mega had an idea erlier

basically they learn what info they would get

but then they can change it

that doesn't really make sense for in person Xb

[fickle heart]

it usually ends up being too complicated

people have tried it before

[plucky burrow]

hmmm ok...

some other kind of info manipulation

I mean

Poison is fine

I think it is fine

[hollow ferry]

Each night, choose a good player (townsfolk? alternate). They are poisoned until dusk. The following night, learn whatever information they learned before dusk.

Works well with just about everything, and gives you the information about the person you chose. It is kind of like a better poisoner though, so may not be the best. Limited to Townsfolk is a possibility, but may not blend well with String.

[plucky burrow]

Hmm

Honestly not bad

but should be keep the +1 Acting?

Or do you think it is fine as is?

Also, this can basically figure out a player's character super easily

I feel like the +1 acting balances it more

tho I do like that addition of learning what they learn't

I say the only good players is unnecessary

what do you think tho?

[hollow ferry]

Do the +1 acting then. But it just means potentially double poisoned information which could be rough.

[plucky burrow]

oh, well we could keep it at 1 is poisoned

Also should you learn the info they learn't 1 night later or that night?

Each night, choose a player, they might act an additional time but if good they are poisoned for 1 of their actions until dusk & the following night, you learn any information they learnt.

This is what I got so far

Thoughts?

[plucky burrow]

Percussion

Each night, choose a player: They might act an additional time. Good actions this causes are poisoned. You know what they learn tonight.

😄

Oh also i forgot to do this for Woodwind

Woodwind

Each night*, choose a player: they wake an additional time tonight. players chosen twice die.

[hollow ferry]

Hi all! In a talk with Lumi, and I had a fun idea for a Crescendo replacement.
Each night, learn how many days are left until your team loses, even if dead. You might misregister as anything. Waking affects your number.

[fickle heart]

This sounds like recluse but also with a built in lose timer

[plucky burrow]

Yeah the misregistering thing is basically only there for things like Exorcist

[hollow ferry]

It misregisters for things like Exorcist which could prevent a countdown by not letting them wake.
And Lumi and I say the same thing. XD

[fickle heart]

my biggest thing about this is what is the player playing the outsider doing?

[plucky burrow]

Finding people that can slow the timer

[fickle heart]

you just kind of exist and the player has no way of actually interacting with their character

[plucky burrow]

and warning people about the timer

without telling the String

it is the ultimate I have no mouth and I need to scream

[hollow ferry]

Panicking mostly. But having to find good players to- yep that, along with warning.

Also the bluffing potential for this with evil is great.

[fickle heart]

This just sounds really boring to play as ngl

like what does warning people about the timer do?

[plucky burrow]

Get them to slow it

I would still like to test it

[fickle heart]

ok how many characters can actually slow it

Bassonist
Exorcist (but it's ST dependent)
Harpist (also ST dependent)

I don't think Bassonist wants to use their opg to slow the timer for 1 day

and the other 2 are relying on a ST might

[plucky burrow]

#1240883498521333791 message

[hollow ferry]

Which in most situations an ST should slow it with those mights since it is a Townsfolk ability slowing down a loss condition.

[plucky burrow]

Yeah...

I mean personally, the misregistering thing doesn't HAVE to be there

but I think the ability could be tested

[fickle heart]

Yea that's still not really enough

There's really not enough ways to interact with this timer

[plucky burrow]

ok well could you please help us think of a replacement?

[fickle heart]

The player playing as this outsider is just going to be doing nothing

[fickle heart]

What's wrong with it currently?

[plucky burrow]

Think of this like Heretic

[plucky burrow]

You just...

[fickle heart]

Mmm that's not really comparable

Heretic flips the entire game on it's head

This just kind of exists

it doesn't make evils want to play any differently

and it doesn't really make good team want to play any differently

[plucky burrow]

And this doesn't?

[fickle heart]

not really

[plucky burrow]

And Heretic doesn't?

Come on, you got to admit a test would be good

[fickle heart]

I don't think so

here's the crux of the problem

you learn this is in play what do you do?

try to kill the demon

but you were already doing that

so absolutely nothing has changed

evil team learns this is in play what do you do?

try to stall out the game and survive

which I guess there's an argument of stopping killing in the night but string already exists so this already didn't want to out

[plucky burrow]

Keep the timer up

[plucky burrow]

Lower the timer

[fickle heart]

Basically if you're a townsfolk and you learn someone is this character what are you going to do?

[plucky burrow]

Keep the timer up

Make them not act

if I can

[fickle heart]

Ok tell me

which characters can willingly do that?

keyword willingly

[plucky burrow]

I mean, I would willingly do it

[fickle heart]

no I mean

by their choice

and not by ST choice

[plucky burrow]

so roles that choose

no mights

[fickle heart]

from your list the only ones that involve player choices are:
Bassoonist
Brass
Orchestrator

only one of these is even good

[plucky burrow]

Bassoonist

[fickle heart]

and would want to slow down the timer

[plucky burrow]

Ok the only real 100% option is Bassoonist

[fickle heart]

but I really don't think you want to use a OPG on an outsider

so realistically who are you telling?

Ok I'll be nice

lets include exorcist

and say in the almanac that the ST should have them not wake if chosen by exorcist

that's still only 2 characters who can choose to have them not wake

[plucky burrow]

fine 😦

[fickle heart]

so as this character who are you really telling about yourself?

there's only 2 townsfolk who may or may not even be in the game that you can tell

and this assumes you find them before they die

[plucky burrow]

ok

😢

you have any ideas?

Please I beg

[fickle heart]

Ok looping back to this, what's wrong with current crescendo?

[plucky burrow]

Which One?

[fickle heart]

I guess the one I suggested?

[plucky burrow]

That one?

[fickle heart]

Yea

since that's the most recent one there

[plucky burrow]

Uh, Mega help

why was?

PLEASE

[hollow ferry]

So basically the reason I saw it and was concerned is it's an evil loss condition without much way to be able to see whether it would end the game or not, which I could see not being fun. Each night getting to choose players, with no way of knowing if they all were evil or not, sounds unfun to me.
Hence why I offered an alternate ability in the vein of Crescendo, with a rising tension of how many days are left in the game.

[fickle heart]

but you learn if you the game is going to end

[hollow ferry]

True, but then it's still a last minute dash if the people trust that you actually are the Crescendo.

[fickle heart]

Ok those feel like 2 different arguments about why it doesn't work to me so let me try to break down the issue you have with the character

basically you won't know when you're going to activate your ability so even though you get told and have a day to react you don't think it's enough time because you won't be able to have built up enough trust by then?

So here's a question

do you feel klutz suffers from this problem?

Because I would almost compare this to Klutz

[plucky burrow]

It is similar

[fickle heart]

I guess my main points here is, just like klutz, you need to talk with the rest of town and gain information on who's evil and who isn't so that you aren't accidentally picking all the evil players. Eventually you will end up picking the evil team but that shouldn't be until town has gotten significantly smaller and 1 or 2 evil players are already dead. Also when you finally do pick the evil team that's a huge info boost.

My biggest concern with this character is that it actually might be too beneficial for town.

[plucky burrow]

hmmm

Yeah

I mean

Personally I have no clue what to do for Crescendo

[plucky burrow]

@fathom rivet , I know you are "retired" but could you possibly help? 😄

[fathom rivet]

👀

[plucky burrow]

👀

Help please

[fathom rivet]

so what about crescendo

[plucky burrow]

Sorry I didn't see this

we need an ability for it

Seriously, this has been impossible

[fathom rivet]

might need to just compleatly change it

[plucky burrow]

We are completely changing it

I gtg now

so uh

Please help 🥲

[fickle heart]

I'm still not sure I understand what the problem with it is

no one ever responded to me

Like ok let me perfectly clear here

@plucky burrow If I understand correctly this is your script right? If you don't like it and it's your script that's fine. My issue is the impression I'm getting is that Mega is your friend and they don't like it. If that's the case then I'm going to keep defending this character.

The reason this matters is because the creator of something should get the final say, not myself, and not their friends. The reason I'm trying to clarify is because if you're the one who doesn't want it then I'll stop fighting for the character.

If Mega wants to convince me that this character doesn't work then they're going to need to be more in depth than "It's too random" because this character is purely player choice and you have a day of info before you even start choosing.

[fathom rivet]

yes this is mine and lumi's script

[plucky burrow]

The issue was that it wasn’t exactly bad enough for town since they can easily find the evil team

[plucky burrow]

I do understand but I do think it could be tweaked a little before it’d work better

Rn I think the main issue is how it activate

I do like the whole this is the final day thing

And that is more info that an outsider has that String is waiting to pounce on

[plucky burrow]

Yeah that isn’t the reason

[fickle heart]

Well I mean I am still trying to figure out what the issue is so I'm trying to get more clarity

[fickle heart]

So you think it's too town sided?

[plucky burrow]

Possibly

[fickle heart]

If that's the only issue then we can tweak it rather than replace it

[plucky burrow]

Ok I have spent a solid amount of time thinking

And I got nothing

[fickle heart]

Well is this based on the idea of Crescendo learning all evil players or just learning when the timer activates?

because I know the you posted a version of Crescendo which wasn't what I originally suggested so I'm just wondering which version you're going based off of

[plucky burrow]

Neither, I just am wanting that final day part from both

[fickle heart]

hmm?

[plucky burrow]

Also Idk why your message didn’t show for me Xb

[plucky burrow]

The final day part

Also I want another outsider that has information like pm so the String can torment them

[fickle heart]

what about it?

[plucky burrow]

It being in the ability

[fickle heart]

doesn't it already make it the final day?

[plucky burrow]

Yeah I want that to be in the renewed version

I want the activation method to be changed

[fickle heart]

Ok

[plucky burrow]

Help please 😢

[fickle heart]

I'll think about it

[plucky burrow]

Thanks!

Idk why I am struggling so much with this Xb

[fickle heart]

"Each day, answer the storyteller's riddle, the second time you're wrong evil wins as dusk."
examples of "riddles"
Which player is the pianist?
How many evil players are alive?
How many steps away is the nearest evil player to you?

[plucky burrow]

Oooh!

I do like!

Also this works with the acting thing

Or would it…

Uh idk Xb

But I likee!

[fickle heart]

If by acting thing you mean visiting the storyteller then yes it would

or if by acting thing you mean waking up at night no it wouldn't effect that

[plucky burrow]

Hmmm

Well the intention is that if they don’t act they don’t have to answer anything

But if they act again then they do

Also they should learn if they have gotten 2 wrong

[fickle heart]

Well you did want another role that visited the ST during the day lol

Also the reason they don't learn is so they don't know if their information is accurate or not which can be a pretty huge boon

[plucky burrow]

Yeh I like!

[plucky burrow]

Yeah but, that doesn’t sound very fun for everyone involved cause like… The game suddenly ending without anyone knowing it would is kind of upsetting

[fickle heart]

Fair

We could also be bold and just put it in the ST's hands

[plucky burrow]

So I just want them to learn if their ability is activated

[fickle heart]

so like

[plucky burrow]

Wdym?

[fickle heart]

instead of being guaranteed on the 2nd proc every time they answer incorrectly the ST can decide whether to have it end the game or not

and they get told if the ST decides to have it end

[plucky burrow]

Oh god

[fickle heart]

Well just answer right

and you don't have to worry about it :)

[plucky burrow]

I mean, then you don’t even know how much…

Hmm

What if it is a you start knowing thing where the ST tells you how many you can get wrong at the start

To scale better

[fickle heart]

huh

yea that can work

[plucky burrow]

Ok!

Also probably make it so if you do not answer that counts as getting it wrong

[fickle heart]

Yea ofc

[plucky burrow]

Mhm

And how I’d rule it with stuff like acting multiple times

You treat it like a normal role that doesn’t act at night, they are told they acted x amount of times or they are told they didn’t act

And then they know how many questions they need to answer

😄

[fickle heart]

uh

I don't think it needs to interact with acting at night

[plucky burrow]

Well that is how everything else works at the moment

[fickle heart]

I mean once per game abilities don't

neither does Yaggababble

[plucky burrow]

Ok

You have convinced meh

But could you help write it out Xb

I am stuck on mobile for a while

[fickle heart]

Puzzlemaster
Rest
Repeat
Hornist
...
actually a surprising amount on this script

uh

[plucky burrow]

What is this list?

[fickle heart]

this is actually a conceringly large amount

[fickle heart]

the different characters that don't care about waking up multiple times in a night

[plucky burrow]

Well it is acting

So technically hornist does care

[fickle heart]

either way

how does Hornist care?

[plucky burrow]

If they die and are doubled then the ability goes off twice

[fickle heart]

I don't think that's how it works with the wording atm

[plucky burrow]

Uhhh

Ok then help please Xb

[fickle heart]

uh this is outside my area of expertise lol

[plucky burrow]

I mean I think it is fine for now

I’d still run it like how I thought it should be ran

[fickle heart]

well there's still the fact that most of the script doesn't interact with waking up

[plucky burrow]

Wdym?

[fickle heart]

Organist
Xylophonist
Exorcist
Trombonist*
Trumpeter*
Hornist
Brass
Percussion
Woodwind
Conductor
Composer
Orchestrator

*Doesn't benefit from waking up extra times

this is 12/25

less than half the script actually cares about waking up at night

[plucky burrow]

Well I’d say yagga does

It would get 2 kills per phrase if doubled

[fickle heart]

that's

not how it works xD

[plucky burrow]

Rest and Repeat technically do care if they are set to not act when they die

[plucky burrow]

What?

[fickle heart]

Yagga works completely independently to how many times it wakes at night

[plucky burrow]

OnO

How fix Xb

[fickle heart]

I'm really not sure

[plucky burrow]

Please 😢

(:,(

[fickle heart]

best I can think of is post a request for help in #homebrew-discussion but that's about it

[plucky burrow]

Oh well, thank you anyway! 😄

[frosty tangle]

Gave +1 Thanks to @fickle heart (current: #282 - 126)

[fickle heart]

goodluck figuring this out, personally I would start looking at most of the script and start moving things around. I definitely think you need more characters that actually care how many times they wake/act at night

[plucky burrow]

Hmmm, yeah…

[trim yew]

poisoner is already the strongest Minion in b4

[plucky burrow]

Yeah I want it to also make the person act an additional time and only 1 of the actions is poisoned

The main reason we wanted to change it is that we just added another minion who makes people act an additional time but if they choose the same person twice that person dies

Honestly I still dunno if it should be changed

We do need to rework quite a lot of the roles to work better with acting

[plucky burrow]

I will be working on this more very soon

I have been taking a break

And I shall try to pull my weight soon! 😄

Though we do have 2 main things to do rn

Make Percussion and Woodwind equal

And make people care about acting more Xb

Oh and figure out the final verdict on Crescendo (Though I do like the most recent suggestion)

[plucky burrow]

V17

-# Version 1.1.7

**Conductor *(Demon) - Each night, choose a player: they die. If you kill a Minion this way, your ability is altered. You and a good player learn how.
**Crescendo **(Outsider) - Each day, you may visit the Storyteller to answer their yes/no question: if not correct twice, evil wins as dusk (you learn this), even if executed.
**Rest **(Outsider) - You start knowing 1 player. If you die, they no longer act.

Notes

Percussion and Woodwind should be fine together, further playtesting may be helpful.

Rest now says "act" instead of "wake".

Crescendo is FINALLY at a stable state (If you dare point out some obvious thing that is wrong & I don't see I will be upset 😠).

Conductor is more balanced now but it will most likely be seeing a complete overhaul to combat it extreme similarities to Composer.

[fickle heart]

erm actually Crescendo is not what I originally suggested smh

that's all I have to say gl on your script lol

[plucky burrow]

What?

I thought that was what you suggested?

[plucky burrow]

well thanks anyway! 😄

[frosty tangle]

Gave +1 Thanks to @fickle heart (current: #262 - 132)

[fickle heart]

Well the 2nd part is but it's not exactly the same lol

I'm just messing around

[plucky burrow]

It is the same as your 1st suggestion that involved the ST which was my fav. I just fixed the wording up a bit (Also I got help with it)

[plucky burrow]

all good

[fickle heart]

Yea it looks good

[plucky burrow]

😄

We need a replacement ability for Conductor

it works

but

I want to make something that fills another missing spot

rn I want it to kill minions and potentially cause misinformation

[fickle heart]

I would help more but I've been working on my own script and my brain is out lol. Unless you wanna swap some ideas?

[plucky burrow]

Oh sure!

I am always down to help with homebrew

[fickle heart]

sure I'll send it to you

[plucky burrow]

Kk

Is there a spot in the discord for it?

like this

or do you just have it saved?

[fickle heart]

I DM'd it

[plucky burrow]

kk

Ima just pop it here so I can always access it

https://www.bloodstar.xyz/p/Mysticsquire/Hot_Air_V0-1/almanac.html

[fickle heart]

uh sure

It's a mess which is why I wasn't really posting it around

https://discord.com/channels/569683781800296501/1036370235520983050

Also I do have a form for it so you can leave the feedback there

[plucky burrow]

kk

[limber rover]

Why does hornist look so weak?

[plucky burrow]

wdym?

You confirm yourself and soldier protect someone until final 3

[limber rover]

It's weaker farmer

Farmer can confirm a chain of people

And garuantee 1 gets to final 3

[plucky burrow]

Farmer doesn't protect someone

[limber rover]

This doesn't do either

[plucky burrow]

also Farmer takes away abilities

[limber rover]

It garuantees a confirmed player is alive in final 3

I recomend you remove the turning off the safety

It's a demons base

[plucky burrow]

Yeah, Same as this

[limber rover]

Bane*

Just remove it losing protection

[plucky burrow]

I mean I can remove the final 3 thing

[limber rover]

Allow good to be rewarded for gold plays

[limber rover]

Good*

If they bluff the demon out

Well done to them

[plucky burrow]

kk

[plucky burrow]

V17.5

-# Version 1.1.7.5

**Composer *(Demon) - Each night, choose a player: they die. On your 1st night, choose a player: you learn their character & their ability is altered (you know how). 1 good knows this & may visit the ST for a hint to the alteration.
Hornist(Townsfolk) - If you die at night, 1 good player learns this & is safe from the Demon.

Notes

Composer now learns the exact character of their target.

Hornist's protection now doesn't stop

This is a mini update

I meant to put this out a bit ago but I have already made more updates sooooo....

that is why this is a mini update!

[plucky burrow]

So far we are changing Composer to something more like this:
Each night*, choose a player: they die. You start by choosing a player: their ability is altered (you know how). 1 good player learns a hint to the alteration.

the whole visiting ST thing isn't really needed for online

and I don't want to make the demon have to visit the ST

[limber rover]

Woodwind doesn't need the *

[plucky burrow]

It does

well it wouldn't make sense without it

[limber rover]

It can't kill n1 anyways

Most likely

[plucky burrow]

because players acting an extra time N1 don't normally happen

yeah I am saying it'd basically out itself

[limber rover]

Oh

Wait

Thats a bit eh

Quite a few roles don't need the *

[plucky burrow]

yeah but it'd just be kind of obvious

[limber rover]

Woodwind bassoonist and harpist

[limber rover]

Percussion already acts n1

[plucky burrow]

yeah but that is why the might is there

[raven canopy]

@plucky burrow what's your idea behind percussion and woodwind?

Is woodwind supposed to be "act an additional time"? Or just simply wake up (and do nothing)

Percussion, to me doesn't feel like a useful ability

Given that there's only like two good sources of "acting an additional time", I'd just generally assume that any additional wake ups/acts are due to being poisoned and just focus on my first set of info

Percussion kind of seems to require an evil player to be claiming violinist for it to even have an effect in the game really? It also kind of throws sus on any bassoonist/violinist claims ig

[plucky burrow]

Kind of

[plucky burrow]

Why so?

[plucky burrow]

The additional action isn't always the 2nd

It works

[raven canopy]

2 2nd?

Ah okay

[plucky burrow]

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[raven canopy]

Tbh still

[plucky burrow]

Still what?

[raven canopy]

For Percussionist to actually do much dmg, an evil kind of needs to claim Violinist right?

If an evil doesn't, the only roles I see getting hurt are Clarinetist, Trombonist and Organist

Ah I guess trumpeter as well

I'm currently reading "act an additional time" as just storing an additional charge of their ability that can happen at any time

[plucky burrow]

Not really how it works

at least I don't think so

Honestly we need to define the acting thing better

[raven canopy]

Tbh the additional time comment doesn't affect my opinion on percussionist

[plucky burrow]

😢

well is the overall script good?

[raven canopy]

Yeah I like it

[plucky burrow]

Yay! 🎉

[raven canopy]

Clarinetist is a really strong townsfolk whose main weakness is percussion

Oh wait actually

The additional time comment does actually affect my opinion on percussionist

[plucky burrow]

Oh?

[raven canopy]

If it's not intended as an additional charge that can happen even on nights they don't normally act (which is the point of an additional charge that ST can prompt), it actually makes percussion weaker

[plucky burrow]

Wuh?

[raven canopy]

B/c percussion would be able to interfere with Clarinetist if it was read as "ST can prompt an additional usage of their ability at any time"

[plucky burrow]

So do you think I should make it so the additional action can be delayed?

I mean I do not mind that if you think it'd be a reasonable buff

[raven canopy]

How does percussion interact with day abilities?

(also what happens if Organist runs out of people to choose from 🤣 )

[plucky burrow]

Basically, like any other ability that doesn't act at night, they learn they acted an extra time at night (Counting for stuff like Xylophonist) and then when they go to the ST, the ST prompts them twice (They'd know it anyway since they acted an additional time in the night)

Basically that additional action goes until dusk

I think

Honestly we really need to define it more...

[raven canopy]

Crescendo works hilariously with Percussion right now

Wait Crescendo is a may?

Why would the crescendo ever visit ST

[plucky burrow]

Oh, I guess they just exist

[plucky burrow]

Yes

[plucky burrow]

if they don't visit the ST they still don't get it correct

so it is an auto fail

[raven canopy]

Ah

[plucky burrow]

it prevents a butler situation

where there is this easily breakable rule

btw if they don't visit the ST and that is their final shot they don't actually get told XD

[raven canopy]

I think it should be a "must" tbh

[plucky burrow]

well what if they just died irl?

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[raven canopy]

The Entranced in the [Redacted] script has a "must" visit ST role

[plucky burrow]

uh ok...

what?

[raven canopy]

I'm just saying that another playtested homebrew that has been played a couple of times also has a "must visit ST" role

[plucky burrow]

Oh ok

well I can pop that on my list of things to do

btw, can you guess how many times this script has been ran?

[raven canopy]

(also it's much, much more difficult for people to accidentally break the "must visit ST" rule than the Butler rule)

[raven canopy]

0?

[plucky burrow]

not 0, like 4-5

ok maybe 3-5

[raven canopy]

👍

[plucky burrow]

I don't remember

not much tho Xb

[raven canopy]

How did percussion play in those games?

[plucky burrow]

ok

[plucky burrow]

Nope, Percussion wasn't even a role is like most of those Xb

It was originally Poisoner

[raven canopy]

Wait

What's the difference between chambermaid and xylophonist?

[plucky burrow]

Chaimbermaid wouldn't work with extra actings

since it checks how many of the players woke

[raven canopy]

Or do you consider extra prompts as not "due to their ability"

[plucky burrow]

not how many times they woke

[plucky burrow]

no it is due to their ability

an extra acting is their ability firing multiple times

[raven canopy]

Ah ye makes sense

[plucky burrow]

The main difference between Chambermaid and Xylophonist is that Chambermaid counts the players and Xylophonist actually counts the acting

[raven canopy]

Ye I understand

I just forgot how chambermaid worked

[plucky burrow]

kk good

yeah

[raven canopy]

Btw

[plucky burrow]

I thought it was worded differently too at first

[plucky burrow]

yes?

[raven canopy]

Does woodwind wake mean another act?

[plucky burrow]

Oh, yes

[raven canopy]

You should reword that

[plucky burrow]

thanks for catching that!

[raven canopy]

Uh also

What happens if two unique sources of woodwind abilities affect the same person

[plucky burrow]

Woodwind's killing part is specifically refering to itself and not the ability in general

so they are seperate

(I checked with smart people)

(Smarter than me atleast)

[raven canopy]

New Conductor kind of is really strong then

[plucky burrow]

well it'd be even stronger if they weren't seperate

[raven canopy]

Arguably

[plucky burrow]

well, yeah you could double the demon twice

[raven canopy]

Ye

5 -> 2 is a thing now

So game can end at F5

[plucky burrow]

Well, the ST could also just don't 😄

[raven canopy]

Ye ST can't give that minion as conductor ability

But double Brass and double String is also quite strong

[plucky burrow]

well they can

[plucky burrow]

yeah

The ST can choose anything they see as fair

Brass would prob be the best pick in most cases

[raven canopy]

Um, my understanding is ST has no control once the ability is assigned?

[plucky burrow]

String could be good if the String is dead

[plucky burrow]

yeah, I am just saying they can choose what ability to assign

so they could just don't

depending if it is fair or not

[raven canopy]

Yeah but ST can't really give evils the choice of bursting the game from F5

Not on a non-BMR adjacent script

[plucky burrow]

Yeah...

But what should be done to fix?

Hmm?

[raven canopy]

I'm confused about double string btw

[plucky burrow]

they would just get a second chance I guess

[raven canopy]

If evils got double string, and then just immediately chose to execute the demon

[plucky burrow]

yeah, but they need to do that

[raven canopy]

Wouldn't they get at least 2 chances at guessing the outsiders?

[plucky burrow]

mhm

[raven canopy]

So string being dead shouldn't matter much

[plucky burrow]

???

I is confusion

[raven canopy]

Double string just brings in two more instances of the string ability into play

[plucky burrow]

Yes

[raven canopy]

The presence or lack of an OG string ability shouldn't matter much

[plucky burrow]

this is how doubling works

[plucky burrow]

wuh?

[raven canopy]

This statement

[plucky burrow]

oh ok

eh whatever

Ok we can continue this conversation tommorow, I gtg

[raven canopy]

Oke

[plucky burrow]

cya! 😄

[limber rover]

Also all ysk roles

As you learn 2 things and only 1 of which is correct

[raven canopy]

ye

kind of like N1 poison

sorry, I think I just didn't think enough, Percussion is good as is

[plucky burrow]

So wait… what should the ability be? Xb

[limber rover]

This is fine, just suggest you make woodwind wake on n1 as well

Go make percussion not confirmed as being in play

[plucky burrow]

Just cause?

I mean, I guess... That does kind of the confirm the minion tho

[limber rover]

It confirms it or Percussion

Which is better than confirming Percussion specifically

[plucky burrow]

oh ok

[plucky burrow]

I straight up forgot but uh, is the version you say be in the one that learns what they learn't or no?

[limber rover]

The one I say

Of woodwind

[plucky burrow]

(|) ? (|)

Wuh

I mean Percussion

[plucky burrow]

Percussion (Minion) - Each night, choose a player: They might act an additional time. Good actions this causes are poisoned.
OR
Percussion (Minion) - Each night, choose a player: They might act an additional time. Good actions this causes are poisoned. You know what they learn tonight.

I know you want Woodwind to be:
Woodwind (Minion) - Each night, choose a player: they wake an additional time tonight. players chosen twice die.

[limber rover]

I'm saying that having woodwind work on first night makes you not know if you were doubled by Percussion or woodwind

[plucky burrow]

yeah, I knew that. I want to know if Percussion should learn what the target learn't

[limber rover]

Doesn't matter much to me

[plucky burrow]

🥲

[limber rover]

Like I don't think it's impactful either way

[plucky burrow]

Fine I will remove it

[plucky burrow]

Ok I am changing everything that says "wake" to "act". The ability of Trombonist is now kind of weird with the new wording...

Each night*, learn how many players acted abnormally tonight.

Like, acted abnormally as in some funny business? XD

[plucky burrow]

This is the current definition of "Acting Additional Times"

• A player who acts an additional time has their ability fire an additional time.
• An additional action will activate "You start knowing" abilities even on later nights, but, will not do the same for "On your first night" abilities.
• Any "If" or "When" statements still must be filled in for an additional action to have an effect.
• An additional action still takes place even if there is no noticeable effect.

[plucky burrow]

The newest update is nearly here!

[plucky burrow]

This is the rules for "Acting"

• A player who is supported has their ability fire an additional time while player who is silenced will be skipped in the night order.
• An additional action won't activate "You start knowing" or "On your first night" abilities.
• Any "If" or "When" statements still must be filled in for an additional action to have an effect.
• Players are always counted as taking their supported actions in a night.
• A player who is supported will have their supported action in any random order decided by the ST.
• Daytime abilities who visit the ST & are are supported or silenced will be informed so by the ST when they attempt to use their ability.
• OPG abilities cannot be used the night they are silenced & will gain another charge the night they are supported.

[plucky burrow]

V18

-# Version 1.1.8

**Xylophonist **(Townsfolk) - Each night, choose 2 alive players (not yourself): you learn how many times they acted tonight.
**Trombonist **(Townsfolk) - Each night*, learn how many players acted an abnormal amount of times tonight.
**Brass **(Minion) - Each night*, choose a player: They are mad they acted an abnormal amount of times tomorrow, or that night a player 1) doesn’t act or 2) acts an additional time.
**Percussion **(Minion) - Each night, choose a player: They might act an additional time. Good actions this causes are poisoned.
**Woodwind **(Minion) - Each night, choose a player: they act an additional time tonight. players chosen twice die.
**Composer **(Demon) - Each night*, choose a player: they die. You start by choosing a player: their ability is altered (you know how). 1 good player learns a hint to the alteration.
**Conductor **(Demon) - Each night*, choose a player: they die. If you kill a Minion this way, you both learn & gain a Minion ability.

Notes

All character abilities that mentioned "waking" have had the wording be replaced with "acting".

Buff to Percussion was reverted as it was seen unneeded.

Woodwind now acts on the first night to allow it to cause more kills as well as allowing another way for an extra action on night 1.

The good player who learns a hint about the Composer's change now learns it at night because it might as well since the Composer learns it at night as well and we are not making an evil character have to visit the ST.

Conductor's ability has been changed AGAIN, hopefully this will be the final time.

Several Reminder tokens fixed.

Added the Logo back to the json.

Fixed the script to be in proper AMY order.

Almanac has been caught up to date.

Night order has been tweaked.

Finally!

The big update is here! 😄

[plucky burrow]

@fickle heart
@hollow ferry
Big update just dropped! 😄 😄 😄

Sorry for the ping, I probably shouldn't of pinged Xb

[fickle heart]

1. Woodwind and Percussionist are very similar
2. Rest can be also guaranteed that they didn't learn the Demon because the Demon not acting shouldn't really exist, this makes them a pseudo knight.
3. Organist is really strong and also doesn't function very well at high player counts

[plucky burrow]

1. Yes they are similar but I believe that is fine, at least for now.
2. Hmm... Decent point, maybe they only learn who when they die?
3. Organist may be strong but I personally like it! I do agree that after some testing if it turns out to be too strong then maybe a nerf could be placed on it.

Summery: LEMME RUN THE SCRIPT WHILE IZ STABLE PLEEEAASSE

[fickle heart]

Rest probably doesn't need to learn at all

[plucky burrow]

Hmm

I mean I think that could be fine

so you would want it to be returned to an older state?

[plucky burrow]

Organist has been shortened to:
Each night, choose a unique player: if good learn 1 out of play evil character, if evil learn 1 in play evil character.

should it be changed to:
Each night, choose a unique player: if good learn an out of play evil character, if evil learn false info.

[plucky burrow]

@tacit trail This you Balor?

[tacit trail]

Yep

[plucky burrow]

Yay!

This is where you can send stuff later on if you want to say anything about the script

[tacit trail]

Ok

[plucky burrow]

😄

[plucky burrow]

JustJulia suggested this

Forte: Someone is mad to be forte or might be executed. If you are forte you are executed and no good player acts tonight

as a PM replacement

@scenic wadi

Welcome to the Club!

[scenic wadi]

Hello :D

[plucky burrow]

thanks! 😄

If I ever run this then i will put it here

just check this channel if something is typed

[plucky burrow]

We need a fix for Conductor

Conductor (Demon) - Each night*, choose a player: they die. If you kill a Minion this way, you both learn & gain a Minion ability.

It ramps too quickly

[plucky burrow]

ok I guess it can stay

comparing it to Vigor it's kind of on par

[scenic wadi]

clarification, is the 'you both learn & gain a minion ability';
Both the now dead minion and the conducter learn (the same/different) minion and gain that ability each.
The minion and demon both learn a minnion and conductor gains the ability.
The demon learns and gains a minions abliyt, the minion gets nothing.
Wording is ambiguous

as in, is it you both as demon and minion or that demon does both

[plucky burrow]

It is inplied that the minion keeps the new ability even after death

basically, it is vigor without the townsfolk poison or -1 outsider but the demon itself gains an ability and the ability can be a new one

[plucky burrow]

V18.5

-# Version 1.1.8.5

Organist(Townsfolk) - Each night, choose a unique player: you learn an out of play evil character, if evil, this info is false.
Crescendo(Outsider) - Each day, you must visit the Storyteller to answer their yes/no question: if incorrect more than once, learn this & evil wins as dusk, even if executed.
**Brass *(Minion) - Each night, choose a player & a number: they are mad they acted that many times tomorrow, or tonight, a player 1) doesn’t act or 2) acts an additional time.
**Composer **(Demon) - Each night*, choose a player: they die. You start knowing a player & an ability theirs become. 1 good player knows a hint to the new ability.

Notes

Organist's ability has been shortened.

Crescendo's ability has been changed to a "must" instead to prevent to confusion and also now says more than once to prevent the complete negation of the ability via poison/drunkenness.

Brass now chooses how many times the player must be mad about acting to allow for higher versatility.

The player the Composer's ability affects is now pre-decided by the ST to allow for preplanning & IRL compatibility.

I was meant to post this a while ago

but uhhh

Oh well!

😄

[plucky burrow]

I just wanted to say, I am so proud of this

I just wanted to have a little fun with this and it has gone so far

I thank you all for the help! 😄

[plucky burrow]

I am currently pitching an idea for Pianist to make it easier on STs

Pianist (Townsfolk) - Once per game, during the day, privately visit the Storyteller and choose 3 players: learn something they all share in common.

To

Pianist (Townsfolk) - Once per game, during the day, privately visit the Storyteller and choose 3 players: learn something 2 of them share in common.

it'd make it easier by allowing more options

Also I wanna change Violinist's wording because many people misunderstand it on the first read

[plucky burrow]

Multiple changes have been made

V19 is done

I just need to make the post

V20 is being worked on

Things like Conductor have gotten a complete rework

and there has been some balancing

so happy days!

[plucky burrow]

V19

-# Version 1.1.9

Notes

Clarinetist's name change to "Clarinettist".

Added jinx between Xylophonist and Trombonist - "The Xylophonist learns how many times the Trombonist acts tonight even though the Chambermaid wakes first". | (Error in the Jinx that will be fixed in the next version)

Gave Pianist the "No Ability" reminder token.

Gave Bassoonist the "No Ability" reminder token.

There is V19! It was a mini update but It is out

V20 is going to be a very big update though

so look out for that! 😄

The Almanac is still updated! 😄

So if you wanna see what V20 is at rn then you can look at the almanac located at the top

https://www.bloodstar.xyz/p/LumiousGaming/OrchestralSuite/almanac.html

Here is the almanac if you don't wanna scroll to the top

[limber rover]

The jinx says chambermaid

[plucky burrow]

Eh

Oh

:0

Flarp

Ok I will fix that in V20

[plucky burrow]

thanks for catching that mate!

[frosty tangle]

Gave +1 Thanks to @limber rover (current: #148 - 252)

[plucky burrow]

I just ran the Teensy version of this 3 times!

And there was highly positive results! 😄

I might post it here

This is Backyard Orchestra V7 😄

[plucky burrow]

I should probably do a proper thing for Backyard Orchestra

[plucky burrow]

Could I please have some assistance in fixing this ability to be more understandable:

Composer (Demon) - Each night*, choose a player: they die. You start knowing a player & an ability theirs become. 1 good player knows a hint to the new ability.

Also I feel like the (once) in this ability may be in the wrong spot so I would like to ask for assistance:

Clarinettist (Townsfolk) - You start knowing an alive evil character. When they die, learn another. If you die at night, they might not act from now on (once).

Is anyone available to help?

[plucky burrow]

Ok I feel like this V20 has been brewing for long enough

[plucky burrow]

V20

-# Version 1.2.0

**Clarinettist **(Townsfolk) - You start knowing an alive evil character. When they die, learn another. If you die at night, they don't act tomorrow night.
**Violinist **(Townsfolk) - Each day, privately answer the storyteller's yes/no question: if right, an ally acts 1 extra time tonight.
**Pianist **(Townsfolk) - Once per game, during the day, privately visit the Storyteller and choose 3 players: learn something exactly 2 of them share in common.
**String **(Minion) - If your team would lose, guess exactly which players are Outsiders. If correct, your team wins instead. [-1 or +1 Outsiders. At least 1 Outsider]
**Composer **(Demon) - Each night*, choose a player: they die. You learn a player & their altered ability. 1 good player knows a hint to the new ability.
**Conductor *(Demon) - Each night, choose a player: they die. Minions act once when they die. Each night, they may move one act to when they wouldn’t.

Notes

Clarinettist has been simplified to avoid confusion.

Violinist is now much more clear that you are the one answering the question and not the other way around.

Pianist now only requires the ST to find a similarity between 2 players in the moment to avoid the issue of not being able to find a single.

String now uses a "." instead of a "," in it's setup text to be similar to Village Idiot.

Composer has had it's wording changed to prevent confusion with the ability altering part.

Conductor has had it's ability reworked AGAIN, it is now more on theme by allowing more reasons for lack of action and a reason for someone to act after death.

The jinx between Xylophonist and Trombonist to be "The Xylophonist learns how many times the Trombonist acts tonight even though the Xylophonist wakes first".

Fixed character order.

Fixed night order.

[dusk lily]

I apologise for the bluntness of this question, but what on earth is Conductor's ability meant to mean

I recognise it probably makes sense to you already knowing what it is, but coming in blind I genuinely cannot fathom what the last sentence means

[plucky burrow]

Wdym by that?

[plucky burrow]

Ohhh now I understand

ok ok

so

minion can choose to just not do anything

and then when they want to do something

they can do it even if they shouldn't

even if dead

so basically

if they don't do an action or 2 when alive

they get those actions past death

Very sorry I would of responded earlier if I got pinged Xb

k I gtg now

[plucky burrow]

Did I explain well?

[dusk lily]

I think I follow

[plucky burrow]

Good! 😄

Anything else you wanna mention?

Any favs?

Any that you don't like or you don't think fit?

[dusk lily]

I'll need to take another look, I'm afraid- I'll admit I don't have the necessary experience to give any particularly in depth feedback, but parsing I felt reasonably qualified to comment on 🙂

[plucky burrow]

That is all good!

[dusk lily]

The trumpeter reminds me a lot of the Spartacus mechanic from fall of Rome, but the drunk-on-zeroes mechanic seems to make it completely useless

In that the fall of Rome one forced evil to Spartacus claim at least once or confirm a broad swathe of people

Or talkie toaster for that matter

[plucky burrow]

2 things
1 - I didn't know about the Trumpeter from Fall Of Rome when I made this one, it is just a coincidence.
2 - The Drunk of 0s mechanic doesn't make it useless at all! If you account for all possibilities then it is very easy to find evils with just 2-3 nights of info.

[dusk lily]

To be clear that's not an accusation or anything, I just think it's useful to look at similar abilities to see how it plays

[plucky burrow]

Oh absolutely

[dusk lily]

Bluntly crescendo seems actively cruel

[plucky burrow]

Good

😄

The goal is clearly to make my players suffer

(trust)

but actually Crescendo can get really good info

and compared to some other ending game roles it is quite reasonable

it may not even activate and balances itself with the ST asking the right questions

[dusk lily]

The activation isn't even what I'm talking about there

[plucky burrow]

oh ok

Please clarify further 😄

[dusk lily]

This is a forced consult that removes them from the game in a very real way. I've seen how much amnesiac/savant prevents people interacting with the rest of the game because it just takes up all their bandwidth and this is even worse for that because you have no means of focusing down

[plucky burrow]

So what you are saying is that you don't like ST consult based abilities?

or uh..

[dusk lily]

No

[plucky burrow]

I am a little confused Xb

Sorry If I come off as rude btw I am not trying to Xb

[dusk lily]

Amnesiac in particular and savant to a lesser extent have the occasional downside of the players stopping playing clocktower and starting playing Solve The Minigame

Crescendo amplifies (hah) this to a massive extent

[plucky burrow]

Ok so here is the thing

the idea was that the didn't actually have to visit

[dusk lily]

And also just causes logistical issues with the forced consult- how do you enforce, etc etc

[plucky burrow]

but if they didn't that would count to getting 1 incorrect

and that was how it was originally worded

but I was told a lot that it was too confusing

[dusk lily]

Why is it daytime at all

[plucky burrow]

so we changed it to a must

[plucky burrow]

How are you meant to ask those questions at night?

(IRL)

[dusk lily]

Fair point

[plucky burrow]

I prefer to keep all custom setences that are not setup away from night

[dusk lily]

But to be clear even if we wave a magic wand that gets rid of the logistical and bluffing issues this still looks miserable to play

[plucky burrow]

can you explain why you think so?

(please)

[dusk lily]

Because if I pull the crescendo token I no longer get to play the game because what I instead have to be doing is writing down EVERYTHING on the off chance that I get asked about it, and sometimes I might just get asked something I have no way of knowing in the spirit of "balancing" my role

(by giving me information)

[plucky burrow]

1 - Yeah Savant has that same issue and it is official.
2 - That is again ST choice

[dusk lily]

The savant at least has the option to not care

(or share it with someone who does and wash their hands of it)

[plucky burrow]

well is there anything that you would want to fix the role?

like what do you think would make it better? 😄

(Please I need help with all of these issues Xb)

[dusk lily]

I mean. You've said in as many words that the cruelty is the point, so not really?

[plucky burrow]

It not actually is

The point is to have a outsider that gets into

so String can breathe down it's neck

[dusk lily]

...that takes a publicly visible action every day by force.

[plucky burrow]

There are 2 townsfolk that also visit the ST

[dusk lily]

That reminds me- rules clarification. Is a woodwinded Hornist able to pick two demon-proof players?

[plucky burrow]

A Hornist who is made to act twice when they die would do that...

ya know you got a point

yeah ok we will get that fixed XD

you are phenominal at this so far

I knew the original version had purpose!

[plucky burrow]

There will be more updates but I am on holiday so uhhh

https://tenor.com/view/exterminador-do-futuro-gif-20118743

[plucky burrow]

I shall be back very soon!

[plucky burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/grok-grok-ai-grok-meme-grok-coin-grok-crypto-gif-4205448702140429152

[plucky burrow]

Here is a suggested change to Organist

it is technically a nerf but it works a lot better with the theme of acting

Organist (Townsfolk): Each night, choose a unique player. The next time you act, learn an out of play evil character. If your choice was evil, this info is false.

What do peoples think? 😄

[plucky burrow]

This change has been denied

[plucky burrow]

The script is being run! Please join! 😄

https://botc.app/join/lumi'shomebrew

[plucky burrow]

2 new roles were suggested by JustJulia! They aren't fully refined yet but there is some potential!

Producer (Demon): You think you are a good townsfolk but you aren't. Minions know who you are and receive 3 bluffs. The first good player who nominates an evil player dies. If no one dies tonight. 1 good player doesn't act tonight.

Forte (Outsider): Everyone knows you are in play, the first player who guesses you from each alignment (once). Acts twice tonight and tomorrow night.

Producer: {Pretext}. Minions vote who die, if they choose you. Deaths are arbitrary and you learn that you are the demon.

Producer: {Pretext}. Who acts and dies is arbitrary.

up to 3 die or act less or more times

Producer (Demon): You think you are a good townsfolk but you aren't. Minions know who you are and receive 3 bluffs. Each night* up to 3 players die or act more/less times tonight.

I am just putting everything JustJulia is suggesting

[flint crater]

Producer (Demon): You think you are a Townsfolk. Minions get 3 bluffs and each night* vote on who dies. Each night, 1 good player doesn't act.

Still long but it's manageable at least

Minions already know who the demon is lol

[plucky burrow]

Oh thanks!

[frosty tangle]

Gave +1 Thanks to @flint crater (current: #269 - 135)

[plucky burrow]

yeah I was just writing down JustJulia's idea

[plucky burrow]

Bassoonist's ability has been changed to this
->
Twice per game, at night*, choose a player to 1) not act or 2) act an additional time, until dusk.

It now cannot both at the same night but can do 2 of 1 if it so desires now

This was changed to prevent confusion using "Once per game each"

Oh also we changed it to say until dusk as we will with all of the other roles that affect acting

**Producer *(Demon): You think you are a Townsfolk. Minions get 3 bluffs and each night vote on who dies. Each night, 1 good player doesn't act.

Ima work on this

You think you are a townsfolk...

Yeah that is fine

minions get bluffs

and vote on death

hmm

I mean

This kind of seems weak

I mean it is also a Demon Marionette

I feel like the 1 good player part should be an *

since a rule of thumb that I have is that all of the acting stuff is *

[plucky burrow]

Should I make Woodwind not do the extra action N1?

hmmm

[plucky burrow]

Since this

[plucky burrow]

I had an idea for the Flutist

The Flutist was something from the 1st itteration of this script

and it sucked

[plucky burrow]

The script is now on https://towerscripts.com

😄

This is the link to the exact script

https://towerscripts.com/script/view/script_6711e3ca99fa8

[plucky burrow]

V21 and V22 are actually done

I am just too lazy to put them out

Oh and it got ran before I made the final mini change so we are gonna need a V22.5 Xb

[plucky burrow]

• Rest needs to be nerfed
• Drummer needs to be nerfed without making it Cobbler
• Repeat is too loud for String to not easily find it
• Composer is a little Weak

[plucky burrow]

Ok I will put the updates out

[plucky burrow]

V21

-# Version 1.2.1

**Crescendo *(Outsider) - Each day, you may visit the Storyteller to learn a question. Each night, answer it. When incorrect twice, learn this & evil wins at dusk, even if executed.

Notes

Crescendo now only goes to the ST to learn the question and then answers it at night, this is so if the Crescendo misses visiting the ST they still get a shot at getting it correct. Crescendo also now has the "Has Ability" reminder for when it is executed.

The jinx between Xylophonist and Trombonist to be based from the Xylophonist and not the Trombonist.

Rest now acts on night 1 in the night order and has the "Know" reminder token.

Woodwind is now in the first night-night order.

All of the demons now have their place in the other night-night order fixed.

Don't ask why Vercel is acting weird

I think the night order changed or something

also suddenly it is using the other version of the icons

Eh I might put the other one out later

[plucky burrow]

Also apparently the way Composer is written as of now (V22.5) it makes someone change ability each night Xb

[plucky burrow]

V22

-# Version 1.2.2

**Clarinettist **(Townsfolk) - You start knowing an alive evil character. When they die, learn another. If you die at night, they can’t act until dusk the day after next.
**Drummer **(Townsfolk) - You start knowing 2 in play characters.
**Xylophonist **(Townsfolk) - Each night, choose 2 alive players (not yourself): you learn how many times they have acted since dawn.
**Trombonist **(Townsfolk) - Each night, learn how many players acted an abnormal amount of times since dawn.
**Violinist **(Townsfolk) - Each day, privately answer the storyteller's yes/no question: if right, an ally acts 1 extra time before dusk.
**Harpist **(Townsfolk) - Once per game, at night*, choose that no evils act, until dusk. Tomorrow night, they act twice, until dusk.
**Bassoonist **(Townsfolk) - Twice per game, at night, choose a player to 1) not act or 2) act an additional time, until dusk.
**Crescendo **(Outsider) - Each day (even if executed), visit the Storyteller to learn a question to answer that night. If incorrect twice, learn this & evil wins at dusk.
**Repeat **(Outsider) - If you died today or tonight, until dusk, the Demon acts an additional time.
**Percussion **(Minion) - Each night, choose a player: until dusk, 1 of their actions are poisoned & they might act an additional time.
**Woodwind **(Minion) - Each night, choose a player: if good, until dusk, they act an additional time. players chosen twice die.
**Brass **(Minion) - Each night, choose a player & a number: they are mad they acted that many times tomorrow, or tonight, a player 1) doesn’t act or 2) acts an additional time.
**String **(Minion) - If your team would lose, guess exactly which players are outsiders. If correct, your team wins instead. 1 outsider knows you are in play. [-1 or +1 Outsider]

**Conductor **(Demon) - Each night*, choose a player: they die. Minions whilst dead may choose to act once each. Each night, Minions may not act to do this again.
**Orchestrator **(Demon) - Each night* choose 2 players: the 1st dies and the 2nd might not act, until dusk.

Notes

Clarinettist has had the action stopping moved.

Drummer has had "Other" removed from it's ability text as it was deemed unnecessary.

Trombonist and Brass has lost the * since it was deemed unnecessary.

Bassoonist now can use it's ability twice instead of 1 use each.

String now announces it's presence to 1 outsider & has a "Know" reminder for balancing reasons.

Xylophonist and Trombonist now specifies "Since Dawn" to account for daytime.

Violinist now specifies "Before Dusk" for it's action manipulation to account for daytime.

Harpist, Bassoonist, Repeat, Percussion, Woodwind and Orchestrator now specifies "Until Dusk" for their action manipulation to account for daytime.

Crescendo, Percussion and Conductor have been simplified.

Fixed first night order.

FINALLY

V22 IS OUT

THAT TOOK AGES Xb

I had to fit it over 2 messages

And now I need to put V22.5 out Xb

[plucky burrow]

A change that I am thinking about adding is
Drummer (Townsfolk) - You start knowing 3 characters, 2 and only 2 of which are in play.

Proposed change for Rest to make it so it isn't too much of a townsfolk
Rest (Outsider) - You start knowing 1 player. If you die, they no longer act if good, and learn you if evil.

[plucky burrow]

Another change is for Composer to clear up any confusion of the ability alteration happening when the demon kills every night as it doesn't do that
Composer (Demon) - Each night*, choose a player: they die. You know a player & their altered ability. 1 good player knows a hint to the new ability.

[plucky burrow]

2 New Travellers may be hitting the stage in V1.2.3!

Encore (Traveller) - Once per game, at night*, choose a player (not yourself): they gain this ability while Encore is alive. The last alive player to gain this ability's team wins.
Musician (Traveller) - On your 1st night, you gain a Townsfolk or Minion ability. That ability might act any number of times.

Complete credit to Palsonny for Musician as they thought of it

[plucky burrow]

V22.5

-# Version 1.2.2.5

**Violinist **(Townsfolk) - Each day, privately answer the storyteller's yes/no question: if right, an ally acts 1 extra time before next dusk.

Notes

Violinist has had the action stopping moved.

Woodwind now has 15 "Chosen" reminders.

Yeah I really was just being lazy since this updates just was made to have a quick fix

[deft bloom]

I cant see the travellers post?

[plucky burrow]

They are not in any of the updates yet

[plucky burrow]

I announced the 2 Travellers here

they most likely will be in by V1.2.3

Right now the latest is V1.2.2.5

[plucky burrow]

I don't think the * is needed in the Encore's ability

[plucky burrow]

The script might be being ran!!!
https://botc.app/join/serial experiments

[plucky burrow]

Uh did you mean to put this here?

[plucky burrow]

@patent fossil

this you?

[plucky burrow]

I probably should do something

hmmmmmm

nah

[plucky burrow]

I ran the script again!

and it is actually going well!

Composer and a Percussion as the evil team
Composed ability was :
Trombonist - Each night (even if dead), a player might 1) not act or 2) act an additional time, until dusk. Each night learn how many players you made act an abnormal amount of times.

Hint - It is cause & effect. They are writing & reading.

The hint probably could of been better

Good won but on a bluff XD

the poisoned Hornist didn't activate, but the repeat claimed to be hornist protected.
If the demon tried to kill them (it was final 4), evil would won XD

but they bought the bait

it was amazing

[plucky burrow]

Pianist is potentially getting a decently big change to make it MUCH more ST friends

the main issue with Pianist is that the ST needs to think of the info on the spot

and that isn't very easy on the ST

so an idea I had is to make the player choose their targets at night and then during the next today they get to visit the ST for the info

gives the ST all the time in the world to think

[plucky burrow]

Pianist (Townsfolk) - Once per game, during the day, privately visit the Storyteller and choose 3 players: learn something exactly 2 of them share in common.

Pianist (Townsfolk) - Once per game, at night, choose a 3 players: tomorrow, privately visit the Storyteller to learn something exactly 2 of them share in common.

The script is being ran!
https://botc.app/join/minion

We are still looking for players

[scenic wadi]

Hello :)

[plucky burrow]

Hello 🙂

A suggestion for simplifying Conductor -
Each night*, choose a player: they die. Alive minions may choose not to act. Dead minions may act for each time they chose to not act.

[plucky burrow]

The script is being ran again cause Kamilla is just that awesome!
https://botc.app/join/minion

[plucky burrow]

Kamilla is seriously the awesomest Kamilla in the entire world
https://botc.app/join/minion

[plucky burrow]

I inherited a LemonSneeze Lobby
https://botc.app/join/playing.whatever

plz play 🥲

[plucky burrow]

Hello there wonderful people!
Kamilla is the best Kamilla on the planet 🙂

https://botc.app/join/minion

[plucky burrow]

I realise that I haven't even released the latest version on here

V23 has been what I have been using for a while

[plucky burrow]

V23

-# Version 1.2.3

**Conductor *(Demon) - Each night, choose a player: they die. Minions whilst dead may choose to act once each. Each night, Minions may not act to do this again.

Notes

Conductor ability simplified.

I know it is a giant change

anyway

Also I cannot fit the versions on the thing anymore Xb

so Ima make another down here

Versions
1.1.5 - #1240883498521333791 message
1.1.6 - #1240883498521333791 message
1.1.7 - #1240883498521333791 message
1.1.7.5 - #1240883498521333791 message
1.1.8 - #1240883498521333791 message
1.1.8.5 - #1240883498521333791 message
1.1.9 - #1240883498521333791 message
1.2.0 - #1240883498521333791 message
1.2.1 - #1240883498521333791 message
1.2.2 - #1240883498521333791 message
1.2.2.5 - #1240883498521333791 message
1.2.3 - #1240883498521333791 message

this might be the replacement for Exorcist

If the Demon is mad you are good, they might not act tonight, even if you are dead. The Demon knows you are (Name).

[plucky burrow]

The script is being ran!
https://botc.app/join/thatsthecase

[plucky burrow]

It ran!

and went well! 🙂

The demon died on a Harpist bluff

I might make it so the harpist cannot be executed to stop the downside

[timber quest]

Is Lumious storytelling?

[plucky burrow]

yes, I was. Also, you responded 2 and a half hours after the game ended

[plucky burrow]

Ima try move this to the top actually

[plucky burrow]

idk how I would do this actually unless I edited the top messages

[faint solstice]

I could pin some stuff if you want

[plucky burrow]

Oh really?

[plucky burrow]

Could you pin this and the top message please?

[plucky burrow]

Thanks mate! 🙂

[frosty tangle]

Gave +1 Thanks to @faint solstice (current: #283 - 134)

[plucky burrow]

Alrighty, there are plans to revamp Harpist completely just cause the current version seemed too meh

[plucky burrow]

I have compiled all of the suggestions! 😄

Producer (Demon) - You think you are a good character, but you are not. Minions get 3 bluffs & each night*, vote on who dies. Each night, 1 good player doesn't act.

Ensemble (Demon) - You start knowing a phrase. For each living Evil player to publicly say this phrase, you wake to choose a player: they die.

Forte (Outsider) - Everyone knows you are in play, the first player who guesses you from each alignment (once). Acts twice tonight and tomorrow night.

Forte (Outsider) -Someone is mad to be forte or might be executed. If you are forte you are executed and no good player acts tonight

[plucky burrow]

At least all I could find

[timber quest]

Ensemble is broken

[flint crater]

Dw we workshopped it in #homebrew-characters

[plucky burrow]

yeah we fixed it 😄

Each night*, choose a player: they die. You start knowing a secret phrase & if a living Minion said it today, act again.

[autumn hull]

Forte (Outsider) - The Violinist is poisoned /j

[plucky burrow]

0_0

[autumn hull]

I play viola so I'm just bein petty

[plucky burrow]

XD

[faint solstice]

Should be might act again

oh wait, you made it so it can only act up to twice

never mind then

probably leans too strong, it feels like too little downside for a multikill

[plucky burrow]

hmm I guess

[plucky burrow]

what if it was all evil could say it and it would make any evils act again?

[faint solstice]

that’s probably fine, minions acting again is inherently lower value, and gives a way for an ST to nudge the balance

[plucky burrow]

Mhm

[plucky burrow]

Each night*, choose a player: they die. You start knowing a secret phrase & for each time an alive Evil player said it today, an evil player might act again tonight.

Little too long

anyway you could help?

please 🥲