#Voice Of Evil

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tough glacier
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This is a full homebrew script I've been working on for two months now. It's been play-tested a handful of times and I'll post playtests here from now on.

This script is built around alignment changing, it has some powerful townsfolk, but are they really on your side?

The Storyteller should be careful with their setup and activation of certain abilities, if you decide to grant every 'might' then you can create quite an unfair game for the good team.

It's recommended to run a game with no more than 1 extra evil player if you have a small game.

https://www.bloodstar.xyz/p/silverrzz/voice_of_evil/almanac.html

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A playtest from yesterday involved the final three being made up of the evil team and a deluded player. With the deluded player not quite confirming that they weren't really evil.

There were many ways for the deluded to work out their true alignment, for example when the curator died they only announced the evil team was made up of a darkhold and a syphon, not a forecaster.
The Archivist also learnt 'no' every night as no extra evils were being created.

The bookworm made the statement on day 1 that "Pydo is the Smiler and Kowa is the Archivist", This was true and I replied with "There is a darkhold in play".

The cartographer learnt good every night, but didn't submit their information much to help world build, they only said it when being accused by the Task Master-claiming minion came out and said that HipHop was evil.

The Psychologist never picked a single townsfolk, which meant when I used the smiler ability to misregister the demon, it didn't actually do anything because they learnt three unique numbers either way.

The good team played poorly and definitely had the opportunity to win this game. They spent 2 dead votes early on and tunnelled on the wrong person which eventually lost them the game.

The demon was in a sticky situation, they were trusted more than their minion, but they had publicly claimed Arbiter which is a role you would almost always expect to die in the night, so they didnt know whether to jump to their minion or not.

The darkhold used their wish on a day I evaluated that they were losing, so I gave them the ability of seeing the grimoire each night as they wished without any cost.

Overall it was a really nice game, fun and pretty balanced, the evil team outplayed the goodies and won!

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indigo stone
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Looks interesting! Is the fabled really necessary though?
Bookworm and Taskmaster sound interesting

tough glacier
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It's just there to allow for testing, it may end up being replaced by gargoyle being able to possibly add an evil, not sure yet

heady delta
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with the number of evil players being able to be pretty high

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you will probably never make a setup that is unwinnable for good

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it can become very isolating for players

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maybe the fabled should be:

There might be an extra evil player, if so, a good player starts knowing this. Votes fail if only evil players voted. [+0-1 Evil Player]

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to make most games theoretically winnable for good

tough glacier
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So far in playtesting good has won twice and evil has won twice

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just because there is a good few opprotunities for lots of evil players doesn't mean there will be lots, am still yet to have a game with more than 1 extra

heady delta
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yeah i think that might be the issue tho...

tough glacier
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wdym?

heady delta
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a lot of the script has the ability to turn players evil, so as an st you will keep this down, sure. But there are 2 sources that are forced, if they are in a game they can make it very unfair...

tough glacier
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Which two sources are forced? Voice and cultist?

heady delta
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just knowing based on games were town knows there can be e extra evils are very factionalising and not that fun to play with. As you kinda need to not talk to the evils in that world because you dont have much time and need to convince the good players since there is so little margin for what can happen

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(also agree that the fabled adding an evil player feels very rough)

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(and removes some ability for other abilities to work as intended)

heady delta
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reaper as well

tough glacier
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I wouldn't hugely consider the fabled, its optional and just being used in testing

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right yes

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I mean these can be heavily countered by having a curator or cleric in play

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the town has huge anti-evil power and huge information

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countered by evils ability to introduce misinformation through evil characters

heady delta
tough glacier
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I can definitely see how a reaper, cultist, voice setup would be problematic though

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its worth considering

tough glacier
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cartographer and archivist can be good if you have supporting information to world build

heady delta
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but also the demon should be able to get some of them out...

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just my thoughts

heady delta
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they were not that enjoyable

tough glacier
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yeah totally, i agree I mean i can totally see how certain setups will be super problematic

heady delta
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as vote counting became very very important to be able to have a shot...

tough glacier
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I may consider removing cultists ability to create an evil player

heady delta
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also all the might adding evils feels a bit hard to solve around...

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but thats personal opinion

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(this script might not be my taste but work fine 😅)

tough glacier
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yeah totally valid aswell, I mean critisism from someone who just doesn't like the theme as a whole is valuable as heck

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I'll see how more playtesting goes, but i might consider adding a spirit of ivory and removing cultists ability to turn players

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not sure

heady delta
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tough glacier
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Interesting idea

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@heady delta Would you like to join for a playtest in a few hours?

heady delta
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how many?

heady delta
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heady delta
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heady delta
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kk

heady delta
tough glacier
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will do :)

tough glacier
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@heady delta

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got 5 players atm and am sending out the link elsewhere

sick coral
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can you make a bloodstar alamanc?

odd basalt
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^

heady delta
tough glacier
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@sick coral

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thanks for posting it moll

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i meant to post the almanac link in the OP not the script json, oopsie on my part

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Anyways, played about 5 games today here's some general notes.
@heady delta @toxic fox @odd lark @fallow radish @cedar dragon @stray cradle @round oyster If any of you guys have feedback would love it here

Played one game with the optional fabled that adds evil, its not necessary. Any setup that doesn't have potential for more evil does not need it.
Cartographer probably needs a reword because its ability was misunderstood
An extra fabled was added which makes votes fail if only evil voted.
Good won two games, evil won three

stray cradle
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hi

round oyster
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crystal zenithBOT
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Gave +1 Thanks to @round oyster (current: #1843 - 1)

tough glacier
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did you have any other feedback I havent mentioned

round oyster
heady delta
tough glacier
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as in, 2 of the 4 don't chose their kills?

heady delta
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it feels very rough

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i think this script in general has a bit more issues with base 2 or 3

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as the extre evil count becomes more apparent

tough glacier
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yeah defo

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Going to make a few changes, I hope I can play a 10+ player game at some point to test with larger counts

rocky sorrel
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Yeah my biggest concern reading this is that with 2-3 minions it’s going to be rough with the excess conversion/mobility. It’s a reason that while some redundancy helps to prevent over-reliance on a couple characters, too much can be rough on a script. The Fabled’s an interesting twist, but my general rule of thumb is even Evil = Good - 1 feels rough unless you’re in a Teensy, because it requires Good be unanimous to win (without a clear signal like Vizier and even moreso preventing abstentions).

Honestly as a half joking suggestion, I’d ask Besjbo if you could borrow The Bomb Fabled for this script 😅 as even without a Legion like situation, it accommodates Good paranoia that they might be outnumbered and keeps Evil from ever purely outing to rise up (although a bit more seriously big concern you’d have here is two evils who do not know each other dropping The Bomb thinking they tricked Good and then going awkward when the game continues)

tough glacier
cedar dragon
tough glacier
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  • Gargoyle renamed to Cultist and kill mechanics changed
  • Bandit replaced Arbiter
  • Lookout buffed
  • Balance buffed for good, now activates upon creation of a 2nd extra evil
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Hag had a 100% pickrate of Forecaster on night 1, so buffing lookout will hopefully change that

tough glacier
real sand
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The bomba

barren vessel
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where can i find the latest json?

tough glacier