Grand Idea Clocktower

[tropic wolf]

This homebrew is for groups who enjoy role creation, but don't have time to make a homebrew for a session.

How it works:

• Each player will make a Townsfolk and another character that will be added to a script before playing.
  7 players: 7/3/2/2
  8 players: 8/3/3/2
  9 players: 9/3/3/3
  10 players: 10/4/3/3
  11 players: 11/4/4/3
  12 players: 12/4/4/4
  13 players: 13/5/4/4
  14 players: 14/5/5/4
  15 players: 15/5/5/5
• The Storyteller may veto roles or work with the creator to balance them out.
• All players are aware of all roles on the script.
• After the setup is finished, this proceeds the same way as any other homebrew script.

This is inspired by Grand Idea Mafia, a style of Mafia where players make roles for one giant rolelist.

Pre-ins
@dusky brook
@flat plover
@verbal cove
@viscid jacinth
@broken jolt
@hollow crow

Interested but not Commited
@marble arrow
@tawny sparrow

[flat plover]

This vividly reminds me of Infnet™️

[tropic wolf]

whats infnet

[flat plover]

#the-infnet™-experience #1137808092948598867
People get assigned their character type, then choose their own abilities.

[tropic wolf]

lmao

well this should be slightly more balanced than that

[flat plover]

Anyways this looks fun! Tentative pre-in

[dusky brook]

Tentative pre-in too

I like that it's infnet but the script is known, and I have a few ideas

Are we allowed/encouraged to theory craft characters already?

Cause I have a minion idea

[marble arrow]

Like are general homebrew characters I've made myself fine?

Or does it have to be new?

[tropic wolf]

Nope, it can be anything

[marble arrow]

gonna be proposing the fuelweaver

[tropic wolf]

I came up with this for another server where we have a GIM channel where we post our homebrew roles as well as shitpost roles
Lobbyist is a shitpost, Templar is a real homebrew

[marble arrow]

Both look strong

Especially the lobbyist

[tropic wolf]

Lobbyist is an example of something I probably wouldn’t pass cause it’s a shitpost

Templar is just a better knight

[marble arrow]

Yup

Having this as higher power maybe isn't a problem either 🤷

[tropic wolf]

Yeah

It probably will end up being higher power cause ppl will add fun roles and those are usually higher impact

[dusky brook]

How will non townsfolk roles be assigned

[tropic wolf]

wdym

[dusky brook]

Like who gets to make demon vs minion vs outsider

Is it like random

[tropic wolf]

so say we get 12 (what im gunning for)
everyone goes down the list (based on sign order) and makes a TF
after everyone makes a TF, it goes back to the top and people create one more role (outsider/minion/demon until each has no more spots) when it's their turn

[dusky brook]

Got it

Great

[dusky brook]

Townsfolk: you have an in play townsfolk ability, an evil player has an in play townsfolk ability

[tropic wolf]

i love mass pixie

lmao

[dusky brook]

Don’t even have to be mad, it’s quite strong

[tropic wolf]

no but that looks fun

[flat plover]

I can't get over how both of these use NWC token images

[tropic wolf]

From a royalty-free site called game-icons.net

I use it for my home brewing cause I can’t art for the life of me

NWC used it too

[flat plover]

Oooooh that makes sense! I didn't know that.

[tropic wolf]

All good

[dusky brook]

I do too

Minion: Each night, pick a player: tomorrow, if they are good, things they are mad about might come true

[flat plover]

Omen? 👀

[dusky brook]

yes

[marble arrow]

Thats the haunt right?

Omen is what you're mad about

[flat plover]

Yeah Ik I forgot Haunt (if that's what it's called) existed

[marble arrow]

It's something similar. Not sure about the name tho

[flat plover]

Yeah I vaguely recall it

[marble arrow]

Also the ping learn they were chosen the night after

This is just gonna be a more communal ultra fishbucket at the end

Also think the scripts might need some more thought on cohesion

Infranet gets around this by saying everything is possible

So evil should be able to bluff every nieche

Here you kinda need to say and make sure everything is similar

[dusky brook]

What is haunt?

Can't find it

[dusky brook]

Ah, it's like anti haunt

It was based on omen

[marble arrow]

mmh

[marble arrow]

make it have a ping for it having happened at least

thats why omen is kinda solvable

[dusky brook]

Fair

Wait, I have an idea

Minion: Each night, pick 2/3 players: tomorrow, things they are both/all mad about might come true

Can't decide how many

Makes widespread worldviews suspicious

[flat plover]

Interesting

[marble arrow]

Make it good players or players learn at least

So good has some kind of chance to track it

[dusky brook]

Minion: Things outsiders are mad about might become true. An outsider knows you’re in play. [+1 outsider]

[flat plover]

So now it's Omen 👀

[dusky brook]

All the outsiders are Omen

[flat plover]

OH I see that now. Juicy

[verbal cove]

This seems pretty fun! I'd like to pre-in as well

[flat plover]

@tropic wolf Btw I'd also be happy to help co-ST

[tropic wolf]

alr

wait thought you pre-in'd

[flat plover]

Yeah I did, either way is fine w/ me

[viscid jacinth]

Hmmm I guess I may pre in? Maybe coming up with ideas can help me light my mind.

Yeah @tropic wolf pre-in if possible

btw it's on this server yes?

[tropic wolf]

yeah

based

[viscid jacinth]

K

[viscid jacinth]

😎

[marble arrow]

Shit i dont fit this group. Cause I have time and commitment for a whole thing 🙃

[tropic wolf]

join anyway

it'll be fun

[marble arrow]

I'll think about it depending on when it's run

But you can put me on some sort of ping list

[tropic wolf]

alr

[marble arrow]

I'm just very scared about balance here

Also how game changing can I make the ability

[viscid jacinth]

Ima make Unkillable demon fr fr

[marble arrow]

Cause I could probably make something kinda balanced that very much defines the game

[tropic wolf]

i have full ability to veto it (when you submit or retroactively) and everyone knows the thing ahead of time

[viscid jacinth]

I have pretty balanced role idea I think so

[tropic wolf]

so if you can make it functional balanced and fun

[viscid jacinth]

I can share rn

[tropic wolf]

it will probably get in

[tropic wolf]

sure

[marble arrow]

Idk how much you've worked with homebrew 🙃, but I'll probably be giving in both a good and bad word for others creations anyways tbh. Cause some stuff is really unbalanced together probably tbh

[viscid jacinth]

Rosemary-townfolk-"you start knowing 1 in play good character. if you nominate & execute them,you learn 2 possible demon canditates, if you are "mad" you are rosemary you lose ability"

It can be somewhat fun

[marble arrow]

Looks fine with enough misinformation/madness

[viscid jacinth]

I also have something weaker but might work to

[marble arrow]

Like it's not to strong I feel

Just very unhealthy without the misinfo

Like plenty other characters. So like it's probably fine

[viscid jacinth]

Duke- "You start knowing 2 characters: 1 is in play & 1 is out of play."

[viscid jacinth]

yeah

[marble arrow]

Depending on info 🙃

[viscid jacinth]

Depends on storyteller tbh

[marble arrow]

Fair

I like it

[viscid jacinth]

Lmao The Outsider idea I just thought of

"perfectionist" - pick a player, today everyone registers as this player role type to all roles

[marble arrow]

Shadow pieces (demon)
Each night*, a player might die. Players you nominate are poisoned until the next dusk. [all minions are shadow pieces]

[viscid jacinth]

The chaos lmao

[marble arrow]

Feels very destructive

And would need a script for it

[viscid jacinth]

Exactly It's mostly meme

[marble arrow]

But it works tbh, with stuff that synergies or can solve it

[viscid jacinth]

Tbh with enough tweaks everything will work....mostly.

[viscid jacinth]

that is fine. I like it tbh

[marble arrow]

I just stole another of my creations

It has a specific script for it

Were it works really well

Wait @tropic wolf how stupid can I go?

[viscid jacinth]

not so stupid like me lol....

[tropic wolf]

how stupid do you mean

[marble arrow]

I'll post it in a moment

[viscid jacinth]

Last spiral-"Everyone starts knowing you. You can't die.Every night* Closest alive clockwise player dies,minions killed by you register as dead but count as alive and keep their abilities, Good can only win if all minions are dead. you are sober & healty"

character note: you spawn at highest place in grimuare

[marble arrow]

it is balanced i promise

[marble arrow]

looks kinda sad to play tbh

[viscid jacinth]

That was LOL

[tropic wolf]

That probably wouldn’t pass lmao

Maybe

Who knows

[marble arrow]

that fucking fortune teller destroying may day, like could they just leave me alone damnit! 😆

[viscid jacinth]

Jackpot-demon-"each night* pick a player,they die. If 3 players of same aligment were executed in a row evils win[+1 Outsider]"

character notes:skipping execution does not stop the strike.
character note: If 3 evils were executed in a row evils still win.
character note:the stike is kept if recluse who registered as evil were executed and orevious executed player was good or if spy who registers as good is executed if previous executed player was evil.

Da vinchi tank-Demon-"each night* pick a player,their neighbors die, you are sober & healthy"

[dusky brook]

@marble arrow how balanced/fun is this?

[marble arrow]

It has some big flaws

What if outsiders are mad they are evil?

You can't turn 3 players evil

[dusky brook]

If one demon is loud, it sort of makes the other ones too. Coordination is important

[dusky brook]

It’s a might

[marble arrow]

Also it's like giving all outsiders an omen ability

[dusky brook]

Like omen

[marble arrow]

It also doesn't prevent pushing world's as much

I think it could be reworded to something like: Each night something an outsider was mad was mad yesterday becomes true

To make it more trackable and making it easier on the st to balance

But like it's very st dependant

[dusky brook]

So just make it minimum and maximum 1

[marble arrow]

So it could totally be fine, mostly just sad for a minion to not to do much

Maybe let the minion choose from some things outsiders were mad about

[dusky brook]

At night?

Or during day

[marble arrow]

At night id say here

[dusky brook]

How?

[marble arrow]

Because it would actually be better in live format

In irl it doesn't work really well with either

So Idk what would be done there

[dusky brook]

The ST needs to be able to balance

[marble arrow]

Also maybe: one good outsider knows it's in play

[marble arrow]

So the St might give 3 things they said

[dusky brook]

So maybe the minion learns all outsider players and picks which player the 1 thing comes from

[marble arrow]

Mmh

That works

[dusky brook]

Seems very strong

[marble arrow]

It varies a lot

It's either + 1 evil omen

Or just sad

[dusky brook]

But if all the outsiders are mad about things bad for evil

[marble arrow]

Then the St misinterprets what they are saying

[dusky brook]

Then they can force the minion to pick one

[marble arrow]

But yeah it's a problem

[marble arrow]

Could use a may

[dusky brook]

It makes outsiders much more positive

[dusky brook]

I like it, gives the outsiders something to do

[marble arrow]

I think for something like this outsiders should be interactive

[dusky brook]

Try and only be mad about stuff bad for evil

[marble arrow]

Bur like getting this as a minion would be sad

[dusky brook]

Instead of being mad about nothing

[marble arrow]

I'd prefer a fortune teller token or something

[dusky brook]

You get to choose the player

So it’s somewhat interactive

[marble arrow]

Disagreed

As its at that point a meta pick

Who do you think is the most vocal

[dusky brook]

It also makes playing an outsider less fun

[marble arrow]

Or who would try to play for evil the most

[dusky brook]

And that’s a feat

[marble arrow]

Outsiders can be made that way anyways tbh

Just make fun outsiders

I can propose an outsider that I think is fun. Just gimme a moment to get back to computer

[dusky brook]

I’m torn, I want an omen ish ability but one that’s semi unique

[marble arrow]

i think all of these are pretty fun

[marble arrow]

The Decree (Demon)
Things you are mad about might come true, your death can never be prevented. If nothing came true since dawn, a player dies tonight. [No minions]

[dusky brook]

I’m thinking minion

Fun character though

[marble arrow]

its very much a bang go do whatever

since youre a demon without a team

the st should be really leanient on it

which is fun

[marble arrow]

Each night, choose a player, things they are mad about until dusk might come true. Whenever they die, they learn which night they were chosen.

[viscid jacinth]

It's extremely dependant tbh. sounds fun and imteristing but might be hard on practice

[viscid jacinth]

this feels leviathan but worse ngl

[marble arrow]

agreed

its very weak i think

and just sad

it would need a vortox at least on script

and maybe even more reason so it actually feels threatening

[viscid jacinth]

I saw eveb potenteally weaker

[dusky brook]

Minion: Each night, pick a character: Tomorrow, anything anyone was mad about involving that character might become (false or true). A good player knows what character you pick the night after

What about that

[marble arrow]

i assume the false/true is something you want to decide later right?

[dusky brook]

Yes

[marble arrow]

👍

looks fine, though if you make an almenac i recomend showing the same good player this info most of the time

or show it to not to many

[dusky brook]

Yeah

That’s what I meant

Just couldn’t convey it

[marble arrow]

but not only the same player, as evil should be able to bluff having had it moved to them

[marble arrow]

oh

wait

one good player knows everything?

cause if so i think it should be able to move

[dusky brook]

Yes, like a widow

[marble arrow]

just not recomended

[marble arrow]

i disagree with that thought, but its fine

[dusky brook]

They can’t because it did move

So the person it moved to will call them out

[marble arrow]

like said, its a ruling i disagree with

but i think making it widow like is fine

just outs it when it dies which is sad

in my suggested thing evils can still claim to have gotten the ping

also maybe make it a may choose a character

[dusky brook]

True

May is a good idea

[dusky brook]

How else do I convey the info

To good players

[marble arrow]

make a good player learn the last choice 1 night later

Minion: Each night, you may pick a character: Tomorrow, anything anyone was mad about involving that character might become (false or true). If you did a good player learns what character you picked one night later

[tawny sparrow]

Demon: If you were mad as an in play townsfolk yesterday they turn evil [-1 minion]

[dusky brook]

I like false, I think

More choices I think

[tawny sparrow]

could you put me in the intrested but not commited section?

[dusky brook]

How do people feel about this?

[viscid jacinth]

sounds fun but depends on roles in script

[dusky brook]

It 100% does

[broken jolt]

Great, I want to join this game as well.

I'll just yank from my recent Amnesiac idea: #1178927103413063730 message. Townsfolk: "Any character ability that would target or otherwise involve you instead targets an evil player."

[broken jolt]

And I really liked this minion idea from Reddit, although I'd change it to "you may choose..."

[small pond]

this seems interesting, sure

[flat plover]

I love me some good-old hot potato

[broken jolt]

I've seen it described as "slow-burning riot".

Although a player could nominate someone who already nominated, in which case they are guaranteed to die unless the Parcel Passer is executed.

[dusky brook]

Loud minion, so it depends on the other minions

[viscid jacinth]

hot potato? hot potato

[viscid jacinth]

I have a question. If The parcel was passed will new owner know about the parcel?

[broken jolt]

No.

Only the chosen person (and the person who blows up, posthumously) know.

It's their responsibility to tell town, or not.

[viscid jacinth]

so quick judgement: is this riot if it was minion?

[flat plover]

At least vaguely

[hollow crow]

@tropic wolf This is super cool, pre in please!

[tropic wolf]

alr

[dusky brook]

You're up in queue?

[raven kettle]

it’s grand idea time