Homebrew Brewery

[brittle plaza]

Prompt: Good characters which can also be a good boffin ability, or minions which can be a good alch ability

[split crater]

Meh prompt

[split crater]

Townsfolk are drunk or poisoned if 1 specific player is, even if you are or dead. Each night*, it moves 1 step & you learn its direction.

[ocean hinge]

Cobbler (Townsfolk): You start knowing an in play Minion, if it dies learn another (if any)

[winged estuary]

Medical Examiner (Townsfolk) - You start knowing a player. If the player you know dies, tonight, learn their character & learn another player.

[wintry vault]

Prompt: Garden of Sin Baiting Townsfolk, Outsider, or Minion

[leaden heath]

Elaborate?

[wintry vault]

baiting tf outsider or minion that has nothing to do with night kills

[normal pike]

I'm confused, what?

[wintry vault]

nvm

[split crater]

The 2nd "learn" is superfluous

[split crater]

You start knowing a player. If the player you know dies, tonight, learn their character & another player.

[normal pike]

???(Demon)

Minions and Demons do not learn eachother, by Day 10, Evil Wins. Each night*, choose a player and a character: if correct, the day ends one day sooner.

[ashen flax]

Very weak

It's a weaker leviathan if it manages to snipe all their guesses

And it can always guess itself as itself

[queen perch]

you’d need it to be “choose a good player and guess their character”

but also day 10 is so extremely late

[green shell]

for timer demons with no killing, you'd want to at least be maximum 5 days long

or at least have other ways of killing or speeding up to prevent stalling

[zealous valve]

This would probably be better as good player & character. But then it would morph into TBA Ketos

Ketos (Demon): After Day 5, evil wins. Each night*, guess which Townsfolk a player is: if right, the end comes 1 day sooner. [-1 Outsider]

[winged estuary]

Also what prompt is this even for? It doesn’t seem to fit any of the recent ones

[ember gull]

#1419169680613970010 message

[winged estuary]

Yeah but that’s not what this channel is for

[ember gull]

I'm aware of that.

[zinc aspen]

i'm going to be so honest rn, it just looks like you took ketos and au'wre and wacked them together without thinking about what makes the two any good

[normal pike]

Oh I did it in the wrong channel

fuck

What the hell, I'm so sure this was Dawn and Dusk when I was making the character.

[normal pike]

I was probably half asleep, I been tired all day yesterday.

[lofty meadow]

Both have short names

Anyways

Prompt:
Make a new character using non existent keywords (ex. Flew, boiled, booked you got the point) but treat it as something popular like drunk/poison and etc

Don't explain whatsoever what it is until someone actually guesses it

A very good prompt ik..

[winged estuary]

Gourmand (Minion) - Each night*, choose a good player: Chosen hungry players poison their Townsfolk neighbors until dusk

[split crater]

How do you choose a good player though

Does the ST say no

[winged estuary]

The same way the Demon chooses a Townsfolk to become the Drunk with the Boffin’s ability, or the same way the Demon chooses a good player to Fiddle with

This is a Minion, they should know their team

[split crater]

Oh right

[lofty meadow]

Yeah

In case of poppy grower ig

[spark veldt]

Oteŋøðé (Demon)
Each álephime, µîðanèt with two players: one dies and the other is côßamed until dusk. If all alive players are côßamed, the most løçavine is told this, and µîðanèts with a player: if it is not you, evil wins.

i tried to make this balanced but i'm concerned that the løçavine player doesn't have enough information to properly identify who to µîðanèt

but if that ever happens it's kinda on them not following the information

so i think it's fine

oh the first µîðanèt kill can be delayed btw, it just needs to happen during that álephime

[lofty meadow]

Ngl i think that vøðŏębáĸ should be mentioned more in character abilities

Considering it's one of the most important things to happen during àlephime

[spark veldt]

tbf vøðŏębáĸĸing was poorly explained on the homescript

[split crater]

Let me guess

Each day, {visit the Storyteller} with 2 players: one dies & the other is poisoned until dusk. If all alive players are poisoned, the most correct player is told this, & {visits the Storyteller} with another player: if not you, evil wins.

[spark veldt]

i tried to avoid it

[lofty meadow]

Alr nw

[split crater]

Darn

[spark veldt]

well kinda

[winged estuary]

I think the idea is that the keywords mean a new thing, not just a way of saying an existing thing

[spark veldt]

i imagined løçavine meaning ||"incredibly incorrect in the world they're throwing out or not benefitting the team in some social way"||

[spark veldt]

yeah

i was going for a "you don't know what i mean, but you can get the gist of what i mean"

what Questionably interpretated it as is basically the feel of the character but not exactly what it is

[zinc aspen]

You have forsaken god

[lofty meadow]

Alright man, at least I'm not a ĵóŀé

[wintry vault]

Leprechaun (Outsider): You are greened. If you die, your Townsfolk neighbours are aswell.

[wooden socket]

Greened being "must talk in an Irish accent" obviously

[wintry vault]

damn.. it really WAS that obvious...

[winged estuary]

Prompt: A character that could be a Townsfolk or Outsider, solely based on ST decision-making (aka the Pacifist meme but actually)

[split crater]

I believe I already have something like this

It’s a really petty Outsider Savant

That said

I would like to see an Outsider Artist someday

Also fire prompt

Maybe…

[ocean hinge]

Martyr (Townsfolk): Each night*, you might die instead of any other player.

probably needs more to be an actual role but whatever

[split crater]

TF a lot of the time

Evils aren’t gonna die in the middle of the night

[ocean hinge]

i was going more off "st doesn't use it so it's outsider via uselessness"

[split crater]

Oh fair

[quiet breach]

(Have a better ST)

[ocean hinge]

(rumor has it that's the argument for pacifist)

[quiet breach]

Yes

[wintry vault]

this design i inquired before with my group, and it just seemed, uninteresting

it has a balance-driven purpose than a playerstyle-driven one and maybe its me, but i feel like we already have enough balance driven characters

however, you can reasonably append a condition onto it to make it more interesting

[wanton ruin]

Y’all ready for the worse prompt yet

[zealous valve]

this one

[wanton ruin]

Prompt: Design an Outsider whose ability contains the phrase “good wins”.

This Outsider cannot change alignments due to it’s own ability, & the phrase “if (& only if)” may not be used.

[steep holly]

doesn't seem that bad, you can go the puzzlemaster route of big downside + upside to counteract it. Maybe something like
Outsider
If you nominate & execute a living Minion, good wins. (+1 Minion)

[split crater]

Good wins only when all Townsfolk die. [+1 Minion]

[steep holly]

without the "only" (which breaks the prompt restriction anyway) it seems interesting, maybe an even if dead too. So demon cant go for all evil finale and might have to kill minions to ensure not only evils and outsiders live.

[split crater]

Good wins only when all Townsfolk die, even if dead.

[wanton ruin]

This presents it as an alternative win condition, in addition to executing the demon, rather than it being the only win condition

[split crater]

I stick an only into it

Doesn’t break the prompt

Technically

[wanton ruin]

as the prompt maker, it breaks the intention of the prompt and that’s my final say on the matter

Let me be clear, I think the character works, similar to Creepsye which is a Demon I like quite a bit

It just doesn’t work for this prompt

[pliant plover]

???(Outsider)
Good players don't know their character. Each day, they may privately guess which they are. If every player is correct, good wins.

[split crater]

It’s too slow

It doesn’t work in practice

Also

Generally

+1 Minion kinda sucks

On good roles

[quiet breach]

If a minion picks you, they learn this, and some good players become evil. If only evil votes on a nomination, good wins.

[winged estuary]

By this wording, if an evil player votes on a nom and nobody else does it’s an immediate good win. Which leads to the unfun strategy of trying to have just one-vote noms to clear players or just win the game instantly

[green shell]

got a shit prompt, dk if this can work

Prompt: A sort of public demon, like the following:
Narcissus/Narcissist (you can name it whatever) [Demon]:
Everyone knows who you are. (INSERT OTHER STAT HERE)

[lofty meadow]

Mercisist
Everyone gains a box of 8 merci candies. If one's count reaches 0, they die. [Storytellers' wallets feel lighter]

note:
Merci can be stolen/mugged from others

[green shell]

how delicious

[lofty meadow]

Don't forget that they're also very delicious

So you may finish your box and die

[lofty meadow]

Mfw i see my friend sneak up and steal all my merci:

[lofty meadow]

Actually this may be too weak, make it 6

Or 8

[lofty meadow]

@green shell i buffed it

And added the set up

✌️

[lofty meadow]

@wintry vault new demon...

[ocean hinge]

heretic 2: if good wins, good loses, even if you are dead

I think it's balanced

[ocean hinge]

alternately "Good wins if all minions die. [+1 Minion]"

[zinc aspen]

Ticket Puncher (Outsider) - Each night, the Demon may swap characters with a player: if so, learn this & if the old Demon dies by execution, good wins.

[split crater]

Prompt: Characters with “not-in-play” and any character type in their ability.

^i.e. It has a character type mentioned in its ability along with the phrase “not-in-play”

[sudden adder]

Paranoiac (Outsider) - You start by choosing a Minion character. If that character is not in play, you turn evil and become that character.

[zinc aspen]

Hmm

[zinc aspen]

This is interesting but considering that it’s a blind choice, it’ll turn out to be more like “You have a (4-M)/4 chance of becoming a Minion, where M is the number of Minions in play.”

[winged estuary]

It’s also very swingy

[languid narwhal]

“You have a 0% chance of becoming a minion, where 1 is the number of minions in play”

[zinc aspen]

Right

[zinc aspen]

I can’t do basic probability

That’s worrying

[split crater]

Yours seems correct insofar

[winged estuary]

I think it was edited

[queen perch]

it was originally 1-M/4

[split crater]

Wow I’m blind

[zinc aspen]

Yeah it said m-1/4

Which is v v v wrong lmao

[split crater]

Prompt: When/If/When you learn you die characters learning info about character types or alignments.

[zinc aspen]

??? (Townsfolk) - If you die at night, choose 3 alive players when you learn you died: all players learn chosen evil characters.

[ashen flax]

Why does it have to choose alive players?

[zinc aspen]

To increase the chances of choosing the/a Demon

[ashen flax]

But you can do that yourself, there is no need for the ability to force it

Most will choose alive players anyways

[zinc aspen]

Well the idea as well is that if you get a Demon, they aren’t immediately screwed

[lofty meadow]

The idea is that you can only know the living but cannot trust the dead as much by using this ability

Or idk

Maybe the idea is that if you get a demon, they aren't immediately screwed

[livid wave]

Prompt: Make two characters, one of which must have their ability text mention the other character. Neither characters may have set up modification.

Example:
Changeling(minion): Each night, you might swap characters with the demon.
Archfae(demon): Each night* choose a player, they die. All minions have the Changeling's ability. The Changeling can choose when to swap.

[lofty meadow]

Prompt: A character who breaks one of the written or unwritten rules of botc

[wintry vault]

Blackmailer (Minion): Other Minion's good neighbours cannot speak. [+1 Outsider]

decided to knock 4 out all at once

[ashen flax]

• A character which doesnt do anything in 1 minion games
• balancing by outsider mod
• minion which harms the evil team
• preventing players from speaking

Those 4?

Or which were the intended ones

[wintry vault]

good catch ye

[merry brook]

Prompt: Make a Loric

[wintry vault]

Bartender (Loric) - Once per game, a dead player can drink the 'mystery sauce' to be revived & safe from death until tomorrow.

[split crater]

What “mystery sauce” 💀

[wintry vault]

The 'mystery sauce' is a drink made by the Storyteller for in-person games, of which the contents are unknown to players.

[merry brook]

ITS A REAL LIFE BEVERAGE?? 💀

[wintry vault]

enjoy bourbon with mustard and ketchup

[split crater]

I feel like that is going to be exploited to become something disgusting

[merry brook]

gonna put actual poison in my mystery sauce

[split crater]

Someone is going to put mint in Worcestershire

[wintry vault]

ipecac + laxatives + pepsi + milk

y'all ain't ready for 'Liquid Ascension'

[wanton ruin]

it’s just Dr Pepper :]

[wintry vault]

https://tenor.com/view/falling-drunk-shocked-surprised-gif-15546336

wait

adventure time card wars loser drink

hell yeah

coffee grounds, beetle butter, grape jelly, kimchi, and ham chunk juice

the good stuff

[ember gull]

Executioner (Loric): Once per game, if multiple players are tied on nomination votes, they all die {but not executed?} at the end of the day.

[ember gull]

Or, one that players made me think of:
Double Down (Loric): Once per game (each), a living player can "double down" on a vote. Their vote counts twice, but they do not gain a ghost vote when they die.

[pliant plover]

Wait this is peak

[red flame]

This is literal the pill in that one board game

My joke script will love lorics

[winged estuary]

Oneupmanship?

[red flame]

Yeah that’s the one

[winged estuary]

We love bitter pills here

[wintry vault]

you can achieve the same effect with cough syrup + antidepressants + laxatives

oneupmanship but better

[spark veldt]

it's worse though because Oneupmanship removed the pills eventually

[sick gazelle]

Timekeeper (Loric):

At the start of nominations, all players vote on a player to tally votes that day. They may do so in any order.

First thing to come to mind

[split crater]

Forcing someone to be Lobbyist is 😭

[ember gull]

Throwing in one more before the NRB episodes release:

V.I.P. (Loric)
At the end of the the game, players vote based on a metric announced by the ST at the start; the player(s) with the most votes receive a boon in the next game.

[split crater]

Boondandy 😭

[brittle plaza]

kimchi is actually good though

[lofty meadow]

Tf is loric

[lofty meadow]

What you do is

Wait

Let me see what i have in my fridge

So

A whole stick of butter..

Half a jar of chilli sauce

Worcestershire sauce

Soy sauce

Kefir

And apple jam

Idk if you can add blended onion juice

[spice shoal]

one i made that my group has been enjoying a lot on tb recently:

Minnowbucket (Loric) -

There is an off-script character in play. [+1 off-script character]

The Minnowbucket brings extra characters into play.

During setup, choose any one role and add it to the bag in place of another character of its type. Its setup effects also apply.

How to run

During setup, choose any one off-script role. It replaces a character of its type. The setup effects of that character then apply.

During the game, you may use misinformation (misregistering, drunkenness, poisoning) as though every character was on the script.

Examples

Josh, the Drunk, believes he is the ravenkeeper. When he dies, he chooses to see the role of Emma, the Witch. He sees her as the Damsel, which is not in play.

Emily draws the Choirboy token from the bag. She is playing Trouble Brewing, so knows another player must have drawn the King.

is it ridiculously unbalanced? yes.

is it fun? also yes.

[quiet breach]

oh the +1 fabled

yeah this should be official TPI please

[winged estuary]

I feel like we’re gonna get a lot of Loric that are “This is a gamemode people already do, but now it’s a Loric”

[red flame]

I should make some lorics for my school game nights

Big Sibling (Fabled)
Something bad might happen to whoever is most responsible for the death of the Storyteller’s younger sibling.

Spitfire (Loric)
On the final day, if you have not already, you must claim your role or bluff and explain what it does.

Puffilyjig (Loric)
All players are mad that they are Jigglypuff, or they might die.

[red flame]

How does this factor in roles like the Atheist or Heretic

Also: is there a list of prompts in this thread?

[queen perch]

i don’t think so but you can just search for “prompt” and find them

[spice shoal]

atheist replaces a townsfolk and removes the evil team as usual, and the storyteller can be executed as though they were on the script whether theyre in play or not

heretic can replace an outsider and acts as normal (very unbalanced on most scripts)

[wintry vault]

im falling ballsy enough to revive the thread with this:

Prompt: Character that removes a Minion from the bag (can also a Minion. like Marionette).

[split crater]

???. [+2 Marionettes. -1 Minion]

[pliant plover]

Faelix (Minion)

If you are executed, Evil wins. The 1st Townsfolk the demon nominates becomes an evil Faelix if they live at dusk. [+1 Townsfolk, -Faelix]

[ember gull]

goes to post my Clocktober Phobos #5 character (basically the same prompt)
...wait, this is for new characters, darn...

Puppeteer (Minion): The Marionette might neighbour you instead of the Demon; you learn if this happens. [+Marionette, -1 Minion.]
-# And we ignore the obvious "this doesn't work in a 1-minion game" point, yeah?

[split crater]

I have an inkling I might have seen something similar in a contest…

Can’t remember where though

Probably a cool ability

[winged estuary]

Recruiter (Outsider) - The 1st Outsider the Demon kills becomes an evil out-of-play Minion & keeps their ability forever [-1 Minion, +1 Outsider]

The “forever” is meant to imply that even if the Recruiter is dead, leaves play, or is droisened, the effect remains. Which should probably apply to the whole ability tbh

Recruiter (Outsider) - From now on, the 1st Outsider the Demon kills becomes an evil out-of-play Minion & keeps their ability [-1 Minion, +1 Outsider]

Is this clearer? It’s kinda jank

[wintry vault]

i think the 'from now on' should be after the effect

then its good

[winged estuary]

The thing is it needs to also apply to the “1st Outsider” thing, otherwise the Recruiter can get exe’d d1 and boom no more Minion

Maybe just make it “or executed”

Idk

[split crater]

Even if executed

[split crater]

The 1st Outsider the Demon kills becomes an evil not-in-play Minion & keeps that ability from now on, even if you are executed. [-1 Minion, +1 Outsider]

[winged estuary]

Yeah that works

This also works similar to a Fang Gu on script where most Outsiders will lie for at least the first few days in case they get recruited

[queen perch]

to be clear are they meant to keep their outsider ability or their new minion ability ?

[split crater]

Probably the Minion

[queen perch]

i assumed outsider to be honest

[split crater]

Then why become Minion

Just to die 🥀

[ashen flax]

The Storyteller gains this ability instead of you. The 1st Outsider the Demon kills becomes an evil out-of-play Minion & keeps their ability. [-1 Minion, +1 Outsider]
this could sort out the droison/death/character change issues...

[winged estuary]

No because I want the Recruiter themself to be recruitable, and if they don’t get recruited they can eventually out to say there’s probably a dead Minion

[ashen flax]

the storyteller has this ability

not the token

[red flame]

Prompt: a Traveller a pet could play

[red flame]

Doing some of the prompts myself:
A character with a set-up ability that adds at least 1 evil, such as [+1 Demon] or [+1 Minion].
Blue Tycho
Each night*, you may choose a player: they die. If you choose the same player as the Red Tycho, no one dies. [+1 Red Tycho]

Red Tycho
Each night*, you may choose a player: they die. If you choose the same player as the Blue Tycho, no one dies. [+1 Blue Tycho]

[queen perch]

this is ultimately way way too powerful

[winged estuary]

This is very strong. Two Demons in general is very strong, this adds an evil too, and the downside is pretty minor

[queen perch]

even if one of the demons never choose to kill it’s still too strong

[winged estuary]

I think the way to fix it (maybe) would be:
Each night*, choose a living player: they might die. If you choose the same player as the X, evil loses. [+1 X]

Fewer kills and much higher risk. If you get too far then you have a huge chance of losing, so you’re incentivized to off one of the Demons earlier on to remove the risk

[queen perch]

the balance is probably there but too polarising imo
you either stomp or insta lose and it’s anticlimactic

[winged estuary]

Early on the risk is low or even none if you can even kind of coordinate. But as the game progresses it gets a lot harder to coordinate, so it’s easier to off the Demon that isn’t trusted

[red flame]

Ohhhh that's fun

Is the "they might die" at ST's discretion or some other metric

Make an Outsider without the words "dead" or "die" (or any similar word)

Stepswitcher (Outsider)
Each night, you may choose to switch sides.

[winged estuary]

ST’s discretion. Can sometimes kill twice but should mostly do one I think. If a Demon is chosen, it should basically always kill them

[winged estuary]

Goodest (Traveller) - You can’t vote or nominate. Something good might happen to whoever is most responsible for your happiness. Something bad might happen to whoever is most responsible for your death.

[winged estuary]

Prompt: A balanced cop (A Townsfolk that directly learns the alignment of a chosen player/players)

[split crater]

Oh wait nvm

I’m dumb

[winged estuary]

That’s not a cop tho. I don’t just mean a Townsfolk that learns alignment-based info

[split crater]

Forgive this

[winged estuary]

Death

[split crater]

Ok lemme think

[split crater]

It doesn’t have to be its own chosen tho

Right

[winged estuary]

As long as it’s direct “this player is this alignment” I think it counts? Idk it’s a little vague

As close to “EN,CAP learn their alignment” of a base as possible

[split crater]

Each night*, choose a player: the next clockwise ??? learns if they nominated an ally that day. [+0 to +2 ???]

Does this count 😭

Wait nvm

Is not great with a lot of things

[quiet breach]

Townsfolk:Each night, choose an unique player: learn their alignment. If you have learned 2 good players this game, good loses.

[winged estuary]

“Corruption but much much better”

[split crater]

So this bypasses Vortox in wincon

[winged estuary]

The downside is effectively null

[quiet breach]

I was considering "if you learn 2"

[winged estuary]

I think just making it mandatory (and unique) would help, though then it’s more like Corruption

[queen perch]

oh my god i thought you meant if someone literally kills the pet

like yeah i hope something bad happens to them. going to jail perhaps!

[winged estuary]

Hahaha

[quiet breach]

If a player gives you something, the demon gains an ability that helps your team.

[red flame]

You start knowing the alignment of your neighbors.

No idea if that's balanced

no that's just empath

You start knowing the character types of your neighbors, but not which is which.

[winged estuary]

That’s definitely not a cop either

[quiet breach]

better empath

[red flame]

If you arrest a player, your team wins.

There

cop

[quiet breach]

"crime-baiting"

[red flame]

A whole new way to play BotC

Russian Roulette
Each night, choose a player: learn their alignment. You have a 1/6 chance of dying instead.

[queen perch]

i dont think thats entirely accurate

[quiet breach]

"Outsider Minion" is objectively stronger than 1

[queen perch]

empath is ongoing

[red flame]

alignment isn't the same as character type though (unless it is)

[queen perch]

if anything it's a stronger seamstress with less agency

[red flame]

(the vibe I've always gotten is that alignment is good/evil)

[queen perch]

you are correct but alignment can be inferred through character type in 95% of cases

[red flame]

seamstress is empath with more agency

[red flame]

You start knowing the alignments of your neighbors, but not which is which.

[queen perch]

okay well now it is worse empath haha

[quiet breach]

like, at setup? yes it is

unless specifically BH

[red flame]

If I remove the “not which is which” does it balance better

[queen perch]

uhhh maybe ? i think empath is still just the more interesting variant of that ability though, YSK roles that don't have to do anything to figure out their info can be quite bland

[red flame]

Each day, choose a player: you learn their alignment. If you learn players equal to the number of good players, evil wins.

[queen perch]

not really a meaningful downside since you can just pick a previously chosen player once you’re at good players -1 learned

[red flame]

Choose a different player?

[queen perch]

you can always just get yourself executed if you’re 1 night away from the limit

a balanced cop usually needs their information to be unreliable in some way

for example village idiot has to figure out which of the idiots is sober, and until then none of the info can meaningfully be used - evil players being able to bluff being village idiots can further muddy the information

[red flame]

Does that limit the information enough

Having a set number of days before you need to self execute

[queen perch]

not really, but it would be an unfun playing pattern for the townsfolk anyway

[red flame]

I feel like this is an issue with making homebrew characters in a vacuum

Like on their own roles like the Knight or Steward are kind of boring, but in certain scripts their info is pretty important

Idk it’s hard to fix characters that are “this is worse/better existing character”

Like do I make it better/worse, or will that just be existing character

Do I change the mechanics of how the character works or will I just make another existing character

[queen perch]

well ideally you should be giving it a unique twist that allows it to be on a similar power level to other official characters whilst maintaining its own identity as a character

[red flame]

I try to but being told “this is just existing character” doesn’t make a clear path in any direction

What I mean is that it addresses a problem but doesn’t provide a clear answer to “where do I go from here”

[queen perch]

if you find that you’ve designed a character that is “x but better” or “x but worse” you should try a different approach to the design rather than trying to balance it, if that helps

[red flame]

Like starting from the beginning?

[queen perch]

you don’t have to start fully from scratch

if it weren’t so late i could probably come up with a good example of this

perhaps some more experienced home brew people can help out

[red flame]

Get a good sleep

[zealous valve]

??? (Townsfolk): Each night, choose a player: learn their alignment. Until your 3rd night, the Demon registers as good to you.

thats my attempt

or even

??? (Townsfolk): Each night, choose a player: learn their alignment. Until you choose a Minion, the Demon might register falsely to you.

[wanton ruin]

A bit tangential, I had an idea to make an outsider based on this:

??? (Outsider): Each night, you may (if dead, must) choose a player: learn their alignment. If you chose an evil player, your team loses at dusk, even if dead.

(again, not a literal response the prompt itself, just an idea based on another submission)

[sick gazelle]

this can just choose the same player over and over

that they know is good

[split crater]

It chooses itself

[wanton ruin]

idm throwing on “unique”

[ember gull]

(partially designed by one of my players; yes, the blue/green icon is on-purpose)

Added for clarification: Yes, Familiar protects against Assassin, because you never disturb a cat.

[split crater]

Assassin:

[wanton ruin]

this stops that

thats fine

[ember gull]

Jinx: Familiar takes priority.
(Forgot to include that in my original message)

[wanton ruin]

probably not a jinx, but its perfect as just an almanac thing

[zinc aspen]

Question, why green?

[split crater]

Algae

[ember gull]

According to said friend:
Much like how dogs see in mainly blue and yellow, cats mainly see in blue and green!
(I'm not sure how accurate that is, I thought it was blue-yellow like dogs)

[ember gull]

Okay, apparently they might be wrong? (Basically, I've now got a small set of animal-based roles, that are designed to be somewhere between a Traveller and a Loric? I think that'll be my argument for Blue-Green?)

[split crater]

They aren’t very wrong

Cats have blue and green cones

However green is very “flat” to them

Yellow is more strongly perceived

[split crater]

This is probably because like

Red is the opposite firing cone to green

[winged estuary]

Prompt: A non-Outsider that wants to be executed

[spice shoal]

Shadow (Minion): The first time a Shadow is executed and dies, the player who nominated them becomes an evil Shadow tonight.

[winged estuary]

Isn't that just Mez but requires being executed?

[spice shoal]

hmm yeah maybe it would still work as a Demon?

Shadow (Demon): Each night*, choose a player: they die. The first time a Shadow is executed and dies, the player who nominated them becomes an evil Shadow.

[queen perch]

if you run public mez it’s pretty different (and hot take but public mez is like 2x better)

[spice shoal]

gives the demon an out from accidentally being hit, but if town is certain they were the demon they can kill the person who nominated them too

hmm no thats guaranteed win in final 3

ok im not sure if this is better or worse

Shadow (Minion): When you are executed and die, the player who nominated you becomes an evil not-in-play Minion tonight.

harder to pull off than mez for a better reward, technically +1 minion but only after one is dead

[red flame]

The first time you are nominated and executed, you learn the character of your nominator.

[spark veldt]

Prompt: Roles that actually support

[normal pike]

/j

[hollow skiff]

Minion
Each night, choose a player: until dusk, they ignore drunk and poison. One of the demon’s townsfolk neighbours is poisoned.

[split crater]

Nunny what is this

[zinc aspen]

Bro what 😭

[zinc aspen]

How does a character support lleech per se

[hollow skiff]

Attempt at the prompt?

Don’t need to be rude gang

[split crater]

Why is a Minion making TF sober and healthy

That defeats the point of being a Minion

[hollow skiff]

To hide who is poisoned

[split crater]

Then it becomes unsolvable?

Don’t make Lleech unsolvable

[hollow skiff]

You do need to know who is poisoned for it to work but that’s fair

[split crater]

Just ask the Demon

[hollow skiff]

I meant in terms of other poisoning like ND or your own

[split crater]

Well ND is now nearly indistinguishable from 1-kill Vigor

Which is good luck to good

[hollow skiff]

You’d know this is on script though

[split crater]

Still very hard to find Demon

Too much/too little poisoning makes it hard to find certain Demons

[hollow skiff]

I mean

Depends entirely on the script but on some ones yes

[split crater]

Also this gives the TF back its ability

So not very fun for evils

[hollow skiff]

I think timing an ability use perfectly to make a tf think they’re not poisoned would be fun but

I mean that’s subjective

I’m not here to valiantly defend my idea as if it’s great anyway, I’m aware something that was the first thing I thought of on the spot in response to a prompt is going to not be perfect

Which I would assume is the point of this channel

[cerulean creek]

jeebus christ

[cerulean creek]

i would like to point out that is the storytellers job not the players

[hollow skiff]

Hi fake

[zinc aspen]

To be clear nunny, I don’t necessarily think the idea is bad, I just think that this isn’t the way to implement it

[cerulean creek]

hiyaa

[hollow skiff]

Tbf I do agree actually

I think poison is most fun when it’s actually got a consistent source or area of effect, it would probably be the same for… unpoison? LUL

I do agree with questionably tho that it might be too overbearing having to build around “they could be poisoned but then unposioned” on top of normal poison

[hollow skiff]

I’ll swing again I suppose

Minion
Your townsfolk neighbours abilities malfunction if they are healthy & sober, and work properly if they are drunk or poisoned.

Could be interesting but probably way too script dependant. I feel like it’d either end up being minion no Dashii or really mess the evil team up with the wrong combination

[zinc aspen]

Hear me out

Each night, you may choose a player: they are poisoned. Then another is healthy (& learns this).

[leaden heath]

Well Spoiler (M) - All good characters are poisoned. 2 good players start knowing a player: 1 is you.

[zinc aspen]

Horrors beyond comprehension

[leaden heath]

Might be too much. The idea is, Lleech wants town to focus on killing evils instead of goods, so give it a Minion that draws all the focus onto itself. Even then, I don't think Well Spoiler quite achieves that.

[zinc aspen]

Yeah no the game is completely derailed

[leaden heath]

I think there is something to the idea, just need to balance it out. Anyway, along the same lines, Psychopath is really good with Lleech if you don't have PG or Tor on script.

[spice shoal]

Tombcrawler (Minion):

The first executed evil player lives but registers as dead. 1 good player knows a Tombcrawler is in play.

what if the lleech was also the zombuul? (unless a minion is executed first)

[red flame]

Each night, choose a player: tomorrow, they are mad that a certain character is in play, or they might die.

The original idea behind this was 1. Reverse psychology (“if I was mad that a Lleech is in play, that must mean that a Lleech is not in play”), and 2. Potentially forcing bluffs that make a player look poisoned (“Washerwoman said either Sam or Will is the Noble, but neither is”)

Homebrew aside, Widow might pair well with Lleech

[winged estuary]

The second example wouldn’t work, would it? The targeted player is mad something is in play, so there’s no way to make them mad that Noble isn’t in play

[red flame]

In that case the person bluffing as the WW is mad a Noble is in play

[ashen flax]

(I don't like the 2 together 🙈, I think lleech works best with minions whose way of misinfo isn't static since it becomes a more intersting puzzle.)

[red flame]

And so bluffed as the WW to say a Noble is in play

[red flame]

Fair
My reasoning was that because Widow is a louder means of poisoning, it might draw focus to who the Widow’s target is and away from who the Lleech’s target is

I do like the idea of pairing Lleech with nonstatic misinfo though 🤔

[winged estuary]

The issue is that there’s no way to differentiate Widow poison vs Lleech poison, so any perma-poisoned player could be Lleech host or could be Widow poisoned with no way of telling

[red flame]

Yeah that’s fair

Would “mad that a certain character is in play” or “mad that a certain player is a certain character” work better because I’ve toyed with the latter but in my head it sounds kind of bad

“Mad to the public”

“Mad to other players”

Like obviously in private chat you can’t just go “you’re the Sailor actually” but in public you can’t go “well Sarah told me she was the Sailor”

Madness in all officially released characters seems to imply convincing everyone, but is it possible to be mad to a specific player/in public/etc.?

My dog wrote a song like this

[zinc aspen]

wifom my beloved

[red flame]

Who’s wifom?

[ashen flax]

wine in front of me

[red flame]

I feel like a Mafia boomer

Wine in front of me, amogus, bussing, the only thing you should be bussing is the bus to school

[winged estuary]

https://youtu.be/pRJ8CrTSSR0

It’s a reference to this scene from The Princess Bride. Incredible movie btw

[inland kraken]

are you referring to omgus

[red flame]

Whatever the youngins are calling it these days

[inland kraken]

Prince (Townsfolk) - "If you would be executed, your nominator is executed instead. If you nominate, you are drunk until dawn."

[leaden heath]

Prompt: A demon that 1.) adds an extra evil and 2.) has little or no kill control. (Examples of 1 are Fang Gu and Lord of Typhon, examples of 2 are Al-Hadikhia and Lil' Monsta, example of 1 and 2 is Legion)

[split crater]

So you want both

Or “inclusive or”

Also Legion adds multiple extra evils

[leaden heath]

1 and 2. Little kill control or no kill control, both fulfill 2.

[winged estuary]

Virulen (Demon) - Each night*, a living neighbor of an evil player dies. [+1 Minion]

[zinc aspen]

??? (Demon) - Each night*, choose a player: they die unless a player of their alignment died today. [+1 Minion]

-# hold on I acc kinda like this

Prompt: Make an ability that uses the words “and” and “or”

[wheat notch]

Each night, choose a player: learn if you've chosen a Minion and a Demon this game.

Wait this is absurdly strong if it procs

[zinc aspen]

“And” AND “or”

[wheat notch]

Oops

Oh that's an interesting prompt

[spice shoal]

Bully (Outsider)

When you are nominated and executed, guess your nominator's character. If you are wrong, one or both of you might die.

klutz lite

[zinc aspen]

Really it’s a Saint lite lite, so I’d make it have to guess all alive characters lmao

[winged estuary]

Stalker (Demon) - “Each night*, choose 1 or 2 players: they die, and a good player learns who you aren’t if you chose 2”
(For a BMR-esque script)

[red flame]

??? (Demon)
Each night*, choose a player: they die. Or choose up to three players and three characters. For each character you get right, that player dies.

[vapid pebble]

??? (Townsfolk) - If your alive neighbors are the Demon & a Minion (or 3 players live), Townsfolk can't die.

[queen perch]

holy hell this sounds cool
no idea if it works but i fw it

[spice shoal]

Prompt: Two or more characters with the exact same ability.

(eg. a Townsfolk/Minion pair with the same ability)

[sick gazelle]

I always think of plague doctor for this stuff

Plague doctor could very easily be a townsfolk

[spice shoal]

i do wonder how many existing roles could work as different character types

ive always thought pacifist minion would work well on the right script to make good players suspicious

[sick gazelle]

Tinker dying n1

Townsfolk

[spice shoal]

sailor minion

is bmr just a case study of characters as multiple types

[sick gazelle]

Alchemist kinda just proves that most Minions can lol

[spice shoal]

apprentice makes most townsfolk and minions work as travellers too

[ashen flax]

I feel like they are only suspicious because of the fact da exists on the script, so you'd need more reasons for evils to survive exe and those will probably end up being more useful for evil than an evil pacifist

[merry brook]

Pacifist (Outsider): Executed Good Players might not die.

[vapid pebble]

Embalmer (???) - The 1st player you nominate dies tonight.

[zinc aspen]

GET OUT 👹👹🦅🦅

[winged estuary]

Prompt: A Demon that doesn’t directly kill and doesn’t have an explicit timer (as in not like “Evil wins after day 5”)

So like Au’Wre would be an example of this prompt

[zinc aspen]

??? (Demon) - Each dusk*, each player guesses another’s character (different to all others): if all good players have been wrong once, evil wins.

[winged estuary]

Reminder token nightmare but otherwise fun

[zinc aspen]

Not actually

You just need 1

Or even use night reminders

[winged estuary]

You have to mark which players have been wrong though? Because if that specific player is wrong again then it doesn’t count as another wrong guess

[zinc aspen]

Uhhhhhh yes

[winged estuary]

So at least 10 reminder tokens

[zinc aspen]

Yeees

Hear me out

You just have “Dead” reminders

And then use shrouds to show if someone’s been wrong 🔥

[winged estuary]

Does “different to all others” mean different to other guesses that day, or other of your guesses on previous days? Or both?

[zinc aspen]

all previous guesses

[zealous valve]

Eagles. is Luis American now?

[winged estuary]

Doesn’t that just mean that each player can only be correctly guessed once throughout the entire game? It’s also a nightmare to remember all those guesses

[zinc aspen]

yes and also "just try your best"

[abstract ember]

I need your funniest/best "Nightwatchman but better" characters

[bronze crown]

Prompt: Outsiders that don't create misinfo socially or mechanically (EX: Butler, Golem, Snitch, Zealot)

[bronze crown]

Not sure if this counts, but in many scripts this creates a confirmation effect very similar to Nightwatchman

Beholder (Townsfolk): Each night* choose a player: if they are a Townsfolk & were mad about being a not-in-play good character today, they become it.

[abstract ember]

A lot of characters that might not work with everyone

Signature (Outsider) - If four dead good players have no dead good neighbours, your team loses, even if dead.
(by Cutlass Boardgames)

Imbuer (Outsider) - Each night, choose an alive player you have never chosen before. The Demon has the last chosen good player's ability, even if dead.

Admiral (Outsider) - You know a living player. If the Demon kills them, they learn this and can choose one of this player's living neighbours tonight.

Spikeball (Outsider) - Each night*, if a good player has nominated or chosen you today or tonight, they die.

Foreman (Outsider) - Each day, up to one player might die, even if dead.

Idolater (Outsider) - On the second day, a Minion becomes drunk. From then, the Storyteller has their ability and can use it privately, even if you're dead, but not if they die and you live.

[bronze crown]

Am I misunderstanding Idolater? Is it duplicating the Minion ability at all times except the 2nd day?

[split crater]

Choose a unique alive player

[abstract ember]

It should be becomes

[bronze crown]

I see

I'd remove the 'not if they die & you live' clause but it seems like an interesting Outsider

Especially with OPGs as it can cause double procs

[abstract ember]

Needs jinxes

[bronze crown]

This lets a Psycho kill without outing which is an interesting dynamic

[abstract ember]

The Minion doesn't know they're drunk, so a Psycho might attempt to kill for nothing to happen, and then a player nominates someone and dies mysteriously

I still think in a lot of situations a good decision for the ST would be to mask the Idolated Minion and repeat after the drunk Minion

Like Vizier maybe

[bronze crown]

In that case it's just a death insurance policy right?

[abstract ember]

That and bad decision failsafe

[bronze crown]

I think there's potential if it just removes the ability instead of drunking, so that evil knows what's happening and can plan around it

[abstract ember]

"You're a drunk Godfather and kill your Demon after a Fang Gu jump? Yeah no"

[abstract ember]

Perhaps

It's used in one of my homebrews with the main gimmick being game state confusion

[leaden heath]

Snitch arguably does create social misinfo, but I see your point. To illustrate, I'll make another character that grants social power without necessarily causing misinfo.

Utopian (O) - Once per game, something bad might happen to support an evil player's bluff.

Took me longer than expected to come up with that, social power is a tight design space, mostly already filled by Snitch, grim peekers, and their contemporaries. If I didn't already have a character that told the Demon what Outsiders are in play, I would've gone straight for that.

[split crater]

Uh

Why does this not just

Execute itself

[leaden heath]

Why doesn't a Recluse execute itself in games without a dead checker? People don't play perfect clocktower and executions are valuable.

[split crater]

Lots of reasons

Scarlet Woman

Mastermind

Godfather

• the EID clause

Also Spy

[winged estuary]

The ST has to claim Psycho to kill someone

[abstract ember]

That's what "privately" is for. I meant it as "not publicly", I guess it can use better wording

[ocean hinge]

Mailman (Outsider): You must nominate a living player every day, the Demon learns your nominee's character tonight. If you are executed and die the Demon sees the Grimoire.

[spark veldt]

Cryptographer (Outsider)
Players may privately visit the Storyteller to nominate in advance, even when dead. These go straight to voting. If you die, all future ones must be private.

struggling for characters on this one

if only the word nominations was shorter

this is my idea of a hard confirmed outsider that's hiding

[hollow skiff]

interesting

[merry hound]

Urn Bearer (Outsider): On your first night, choose a player: if they are executed, the Demon may choose a non-Demon ability to gain, even if dead.

[bronze crown]

Ooh I like this a lot. I wonder if this works better as a 'harmful rule' rather than being attached to a specific player, something like:

Mafioso: 1 player "is the Mafioso". Nominations must be made privately before nomination phase, then happen in an arbitrary order.

[leaden heath]

Sounds more like a Loric than an Outsider.

[bronze crown]

This version doesn't confirm anybody and anonymizes nominators, but to compensate it adds a Townsfolk and keeps defense phase

[bronze crown]

Fair enough. It is inarguably harmful to good though, so it seemed sensible to tie it to an Outsider

I wonder if a character that adds harmful Lorics could be worth making

[leaden heath]

Lorics get to be one-sided. Big Wig is very similar to the Mafioso you suggested.

[sick gazelle]

I dont think its entirely evil sided

It lets dead players nominate

[bronze crown]

Fairy (Outsider): A Loric that harms your team is in play. The Storyteller may invent a Loric [- the Fairy, +1 Loric]

[sick gazelle]

or at least the original did

[bronze crown]

My variant does not let dead players nominate

[sick gazelle]

This is just:

An extra rule is in-play. All know what it is.

unless you mean like

There is no outsider

at all

[bronze crown]

It removes itself so there's no Outsider

The Outsider is effectively replaced with a harmful rule that isn't tied to any particular player

[sick gazelle]

Fairy (Loric):
All players learn an extra rule. If an Outsider was removed, it is in-play. [-1 or +0 Outsiders]

Maybe this could be more fun

[bronze crown]

That could also work

[sick gazelle]

or clear i mean

both I think would be fun

I dislike the separation of Lorics and Fabled tbh

Because stuff like this could be both

[bronze crown]

I like the ambiguity about it being in play, though I'd imagine the ambiguity would usually be solved pretty quickly

[sick gazelle]

its a very blurred line

[sick gazelle]

depends on the rule

[bronze crown]

True, though if it's a hidden ability it's probably better just being tied to an Outsider player

[ocean hinge]

woot

[normal pike]

The Fey(Outsider)

I won't do ability text bc I SUCK HORRIBLY At them but the concept of the Fey is that, of they are responsible for a execution of their alignment, they potentially might switch, the twist is that a player of their last alignments(if they switched) becomes drunk until dusk.. idk if it counts anymore..

If you don't like that here is another

Astronomer(Outsider)

The concept of the Astronomer is that, things that aren't supposed to happen might happen, even if they are dead.. almost like a Atheist..

[red flame]

If you are most responsible for executing a player of your alignment, a player is drunk until dawn, and you might switch alignments.

The Storyteller can break the game rules, even if you are dead.

[split crater]

This is wrong

[red flame]

I think i misread

[split crater]

They only drunk a player if they switched alignment

[red flame]

Ohhh

I was struggling with that one for character count purposes

If you are most responsible for executing a player of your alignment you might switch alignments. If you do, a player of your previous alignment is drunk until dusk.

165 characters

If you are most responsible for executing a player of your alignment you might switch alignments, and a player of your previous alignment is drunk until dusk.

Is that still the same ability

[split crater]

If you are most responsible for the execution of an ally, you might switch alignment & a player of your last alignment is drunk until dusk.

[normal pike]

Yeah

I can't for the life of me make good ability text..

Also the Fey can be found in my HB Collection List!/ :3

This was the original Fey Idea...

[winged estuary]

This thread is for creation of new ideas by the way, not reposting things you've already made. Please keep that in mind

[normal pike]

To be fair, the ability text of @split crater & @red flame is so much damn better lol..

[winged estuary]

Completely irrelevant

[zinc aspen]

Yeah no workshops are for making new ideas, not for showing off previous ones

[restive token]

Prompt: Good character with the setup text [+0 to +2 {character}, one of the extras is evil]

[normal pike]

Adds none to 2 outsisers .and the extra outsider is evil..

How it would it work on

and if someone perse created a ability that fits that

(in general, outsiders that can swap alignments..)

[queen perch]

do you just mean

Minion: [+0 to +2 Outsiders, 1 of which is evil]
?

[zinc aspen]

No bc it’s a good character

[normal pike]

Oh wait it's specifies a character..

Still if the character were those.. how would it work..

[queen perch]

oh whoops missed that. i can’t imagine this being a TF though

[normal pike]

Hm..

I could only think of buffing balloonist with this and adding a hit of Bounty Hunter /j

[zinc aspen]

??? (Townsfolk) - If you nominate & execute an ally, you are executed instead. [+0 to +2 ???. 1 of the extras is evil.]

Theres something here

But idk what

[queen perch]

i fw this one but feels very very strong

[zinc aspen]

For sure

But tbf i find it easy to overtune something first then bring it down instead of the inverse

[queen perch]

adding a “might” would probably feel bad, no?

[zinc aspen]

Definitely

[normal pike]

If you nominate & execute an ally today, you might be executed instead

^ not it?

[zinc aspen]

Pacifist can afford that bc many good players will get executed

This only gets one chance

[zinc aspen]

See above

[normal pike]

I forgot the clause I know.

[zinc aspen]

No I mean that’s what Maayan said

Well acc tbf

[normal pike]

Hmmm [+0 to +2] of the character is hard to build my dumb ahh brain..

[zinc aspen]

Ig if they live

Then they could try again

[normal pike]

True.

[zinc aspen]

But that still feels bad with how tough it is to fully command an execution

[queen perch]

the problem is you just get so much value regardless of how an execution goes rn

you execute someone & die? publicly confirm your role and give the whole town a seamstress ping

you execute & they don’t die? seamstress ping again AND you can keep nominating

[normal pike]

What if we just make a BMR character have that clause like a tinker.../j

+0 or +2.. one is evil oh god... :')..

[zinc aspen]

If it’s hard to build around the clause itself, think about what it actually means gameplay-wise

[zinc aspen]

Eh

[normal pike]

True.

Welp, goodluck cracking the case on that one chat.

[queen perch]

a might would at least mitigate the value of an execution going through

[normal pike]

Don't think I can think of any at the moment..

[zinc aspen]

It’s alr just come back to it later if you want

[zinc aspen]

Tbf it would also make negatives more bluffable instead of “rip you’re the evil one”

[quiet breach]

Prompt:Negative evil mod(doesn’t matter how)

[spark veldt]

Lazyloader (Townsfolk)
[-1 Minion]

doesn’t matter how, eh?

[quiet breach]

I meant like

“could be a TF that removes a minion”

“A demon that can turn good”

[split crater]

[-1 evil Luis]

[red flame]

LARPuff (Fabled)
There are no deaths or executions. All players roleplay as pseudo-medieval Jigglypuff. [No evil players)

[red flame]

Big Brother (Fabled)
The game ends when one player is left alive; that player wins. On the final day, dead players regain their vote token. [No evil players]

[red flame]

Celebrity Big Brother (Outsider)
There are celebrity guest stars in-play. [+1-5 guest stars, +1 Big Brother]

okay this is getting out of hand

??? (Outsider)
If you die, two good characters turn into evil Minions. [-1 Minion]

[zinc aspen]

Hear me out

??? (Outsider) - If you die, two good players become evil Minions & learn the Demon. You must die on the final night. [-1 Minion]

[split crater]

“become into evil Minions” 🥀

[zinc aspen]

Stop nitpicking 🥀

[split crater]

I’ll make good of you

[spark veldt]

clunky sentence

the comparator is better

[split crater]

Then it would be “I’ll make better out of you”

[spark veldt]

Baron (Demon)
Each night*, choose a player: they die. [All Townsfolk have Outsider abilities. -? Minions]

[spark veldt]

no, why be complicated? just say “I‘ll make you better”

[split crater]

Because we live with it

[spark veldt]

booooo

[zinc aspen]

Yeah no that’s just bad for evil, I’d take +2 over “they all get Outsider abilities” and I’ve literally ran a game where everyone had 3 of them

[split crater]

Each night*, choose a player: they die. The 1st good executee becomes an evil Minion & keeps their abilities. [-1 Minion]

D

[red flame]

Storing this away

You might be cooking

[normal pike]

Psychic(Townsfolk)

Minions you nominate and kill don't die, instead they lose their ability.[-1 Minion or +1 Minion]

[queen perch]

-1 or +1 Minion is so insanely swingy

[normal pike]

Oh wait just negative evil mod

Birthday(Fabled)

It's my birthday, so all go Atheists! [-1 Evil, No Demon, No Minion, just Pure Chaos]

-# prob a semi-joke prompt..

[split crater]

[-1 or +1 Minion]

[normal pike]

Insanely Swingy?.. maybe .

You may never know.

[split crater]

Yes

[queen perch]

a townsfolk adding a minion is so bad for town haha

and if this removes a minion its just extremely strong

[split crater]

So is one removing it for evil

[normal pike]

Pride(Demon)

Concept is, for every vote they got they gain a kill.. but it's make it so they're alone.. no Minion.. just them vs the World.

Is it too OP.. yes.

Based of: Pride from 7 Deadly Sins.

[split crater]

Huh?

Wdym a vote a kill

[normal pike]

Goddamn mosquitoes are just eating me alive... :-;

I have 7 Bites within the span of 2 minutes..

[queen perch]

if its a joke prompt it would fit better in #botc-memes, this is a workshop for making homebrew
otherwise, i dont really know the ability does because it reads like flavor text

[normal pike]

To be fair.

I'm struggling with making ability text

[normal pike]

Make this 8 bites.. oh no.. 9 bitesm

[queen perch]

Do you mean like

Pride (Demon): Each night*, you may choose a player for each time you voted today: they die. [No Minions]

[normal pike]

Yeah that-!

If they vote thrice they kill thrice

With the right demons..

They can pretty much mimics..

charge

But it feels like pride might be too OP..

[split crater]

Not OP

[queen perch]

i think it runs into a few problems:

1. being a solo evil doesn't tend to be fun since you win or lose alone
2. town can completely shut down this demon by just agreeing not to vote or nominate and infinitely get information
3. once there is enough info, town can just agree on who they wanna execute so the demon can only vote once and becomes a vanilla demon with no minions
4. this scales poorly with player count as you lose more minions for no additional benefit

[normal pike]

Wait.. does badically detect this..

I mean all they need is to vote once and the FG will see a yes..

TC too.. it can figure out if there is Pride..

Idk who works with 0 minions..

[split crater]

Yes

[split crater]

They learn no

[normal pike]

I think the best way to do this Negative Minion count is.. A Loric.. or Fabled..

[zinc aspen]

Well not necessarily

You just need to understand the implications of decimating the Demon’s support

If anything I’d be hard pressed if I had to say I liked a Loric or Fabled that removed Minions

[winged estuary]

Prompt: A character with a win condition
Going back to a simple prompt

[queen perch]

Minion: If a good player chooses you with their ability at night, you learn this & your team wins if you are executed tomorrow.

[ember gull]

THAT Person (You Know The One) [???]
You win, and everyone else loses.

...okay, in all (attempted) seriousness:
Chaperone [To]
During your first night, choose a player; if you and that player survive until the final 3, your team wins.
-# It's like Mayor, but worse!

[red flame]

??? (Demon)
Each night*, choose a player: they die. If all living players are poisoned, evil wins.

I need to workshop this

[winged estuary]

Night 1 kill, wow

[red flame]

Feels too codependent on minions

[red flame]

Shoot you’re right

[winged estuary]

Yeah this is definitely super swingy since it has no way of poisoning by itself

[red flame]

I would love to make a night 1 kill demon work

[red flame]

I didn’t want to make it poison instead of kill because that might give the game away depending on the script

But if I do both that’s almost like a double kill

[winged estuary]

I think the only way I’ve seen work is to make it like BarrowFog where its kills still appear alive

[red flame]

Each night, choose a player: they die but register as alive. From the next night onwards, they register as dead.

[queen perch]

weaker pukka?

[red flame]

Maybe

I find Barrow Fog really interesting and since finding out about it I’ve wanted to try and make it work

!!!

[queen perch]

best of luck with that, it got scrapped for a reason

[red flame]

Script with Barrow Fog and Pukka Fog

No that’s so niche

[winged estuary]

I think these two are actually really interesting on timer scripts. Specifically if they can’t kill, like:
Each night, choose a player: they are poisoned. If all living good players are, evil wins.
Each night, choose a player: they die but register as alive until they die again

Maybe with some other buff so it doesn’t take a super long time to win. It’d be combined with other timer Demons, maybe Au’Wre would be fun

[red flame]

It’s like the itsy bitsy spider like I know that I’ll fall down the water spout but I’ve gotta get up and try again

[red flame]

Who’s Au’Wre

Wait Pukka Fog and Riot

Hmmmmmmmm

[winged estuary]

Au’Wre is from the Bootlegger Anthology:
“Each night*, guess your Minions: You learn how many are correct. If all are, evil wins at dusk unless an evil player dies by execution & all players learn this [Evil players don’t learn each other]”

[sick gazelle]

Equinox (Minion):

Evil wins at dusk if your living neighbor is the Demon. Good cannot win if you live. [You Sit Opposite The Demon]

Might be too powerful

At lower player counts

I wish it scaled better

😔

[winged estuary]

This is actually one of the first few Minions I made in this thread

[sick gazelle]

oh thats cool!

I think it happening at dusk

Gives the good players more of a chance yk

Cause if you notice its possible for 2 players to be the demon equinox pair that wins at dusk

You can execute either one of them

the game wont end

unless both are dead

but if youre scared you can do it

[sick gazelle]

Evil wins at dusk if your living non-outsider neighbor is the Demon (a good player learns this). [You Sit Opposite The Demon, +1 Outsider]

I think this could be more balanced

[winged estuary]

An evil team going for this wincon already has a pretty noticeable tell with how it kills, so I think it doesn’t need an extra tell, but that’s just me

[sick gazelle]

Well its altered by the fact that it ignores outsiders

Also it makes it more balanced in low player counts imo

where the demon could kill 1 person

and have their win con

silently

I think its just impossible to balance

[ashen flax]

should be fine

town can always kill either way if there is a big gap

and worst case good wins after final 5 if they miss killing evils twice in a row

so it's not that problematic in smaller games

[sick gazelle]

in a 7 player game, if town executes a good player, the demon can kill the good players neighbor and the win condition is met

[ashen flax]

they only win at dusk

so thats fine

[sick gazelle]

And this is just with 1 player dead

wait

i gotta show it on the other side

basically with just 1 player dead

executing either of their neighbors could lead to a loss here

[ashen flax]

true

but that's still town getting at least 2 exes normally

[sick gazelle]

ok so what does town do here, theyve executed player 3 and player 6 died at night, if they execute anyone other than player 1 they could lose which seems very unfun so idk

I just think anything with connecting neighbors via dead players fails to work

[ashen flax]

well

[sick gazelle]

at low player counts

[ashen flax]

then town has to consider

[ashen flax]

are we really this scared about this minion?

which exes seem like they are lifely safe

[sick gazelle]

it just doesnt seem fun to randomly lose, cause the threat is very active here

[ashen flax]

it's not a random loss

it's a calculated risk

one which evil probably played well for

to win

[sick gazelle]

ig its like fearmonger a bit, where it could be anyone

its just that more players = more nights of info and more days of executing before it becomes a threat

more players getting more info for longer

vs less players getting less info for less

scales poorly imo

[ashen flax]

does it tho?

the wincondition is likely to proc after ~half the game

no matter the player counts

isn't that pretty fine for the character

[normal pike]

Stargazer(Traveller)

Concept is, the Stargazer may once per game guess everyone's role. If correct, they're alignment wins. But they might swap alignments each night.

I feel like I seen this ability text somewhere but I can't remember what, if so.. I Didn't mean to copy the abikity text..it's just a coincidence..

[split crater]

This is a TF in the same vein as Cult Leader

Not a Traveller

Furthermore, wincons on Travs are generally feels bad

[winged estuary]

It’s a very common Minion or Demon ability in homebrew. This doesn’t really work as a Traveller for the reasons of:
A. This is so so much stronger as evil. As good it’s just a really really weak Al-Saahir, while as evil it’s a very serious threat that’s gonna get exiled immediately
B. Swapping alignments means they could start evil, learn the Demon, then turn good and just… execute the Demon
C. It just isn’t fun to have this join as a Traveller

[winged estuary]

This is a very weak TF. Compare this to Al-Saahir, which stays good and only has to guess Demon/Minion players (not even their characters)

[split crater]

True.

[winged estuary]

Making it much better as a Minion/Demon

[sick gazelle]

If you publicly guess all opposing in-play characters (once), your team wins. You start as your neighbor's alignment.

This could work a bit better, still I dont think travellers should be able to just win the game like thattt

maybe another strong upside

and remove the alignment specification

[brave hemlock]

Prompt: characters which allow starting evils to become good

[green shell]

??? (Townsfolk)

You start knowing an evil player. If you die, they change alignment and become good.

[queen perch]

im assuming if you die at night

or this just insta wins for good

[winged estuary]

Ah yes I love “you win the game”

[brave hemlock]

you just get executed day 1 😭

also this is really strong even without it

"YSK an evil player" is strong

[red flame]

??? (Townsfolk)

There is an evil Townsfolk. If you die, they change alignment and become good.

[queen perch]

hmmm interesting because you do confirm yourself to the evil TF, but i'm not a fan of TF that just want to die during the day

[red flame]

If you die at night maybe?

[queen perch]

also if you want any syntax feedback, the evil Tf should be in setup

If you die, the Townsfolk you made evil becomes good. [1 Townsfolk is evil]

[red flame]

Epic

[ember plaza]

Warlock (Townsfolk)

When you nominate and execute a Minion, the Demon swaps characters and alignments with another player.
"You need not worry about evil in our midst. My wards shroud this town, and no devil shall find respite while they hold."

This prompt makes me think of Snake Charmer

[ember plaza]

Prompt: Good characters that can cause deaths

[normal pike]

???(Townsfolk)

Evil players you nominate are drunk until dusk. Deaths are arbitrary if the Demon is chosen.

(it's a sort of Potion, not z knife..I'm just ass at making icons)

[ember plaza]

Prompt: An ability structured as follows:
Night 1: (effect x)
Night 2: (effect y)
Night 3: (effect z)

[ocean hinge]

Satan (Demon): Evil players might die anytime, Dead players can nominate and become good. [All players are evil, no minions]

idfk lol

[zinc aspen]

Soooo this just loses guaranteed?

And also can’t kill which is rough

[zinc aspen]

Actually wait no you win bc everyone’s evil so you don’t execute ever

[cerulean creek]

deadders can nom

but nobody bloody knows the demon

so like

[zinc aspen]

It got edited

Originally 0KPN and with Minions

[cerulean creek]

i see

[ember plaza]

Prompt: Minion that runs the game as much as the Demon does

[cerulean creek]

what

[ember plaza]

like they're centralizing

[normal pike]

12|03|25

Happy Holidays!🎅

Make a Character/Loric/Fabled centered aroundChristmas!

[ember plaza]

Krumpus (Demon): Each night*: choose a player to add to your Naughty List. If only 2 living players aren't Naughty, all Naughty players die.

Needs some kind of upside but already very wordy

[languid narwhal]

"choose 2 players" I think

[ember plaza]

yeah, compared to shab it's probably balanced then

[red flame]

Shepherd (Townsfolk)
You start not neighboring the Demon.

[ember plaza]

Knight if it required weird character assignment

[lofty meadow]

Each night*, choose a player: they die. You may instead choose to gift them a present of your choice. [All players know the presents]

So basically it'll look like

They are poisoned
They learn an advice that may help their team
They are mad
Etc etc

[ember plaza]

Not much of a reason not to just choose the kill

[lofty meadow]

Idk maybe trade your kill for a possible game saving gift

But I gotta think

[ember plaza]

The gifts have to be worth choosing them randomly over a kill

[lofty meadow]

Since everyone knows the presents which isn't chr-y

[lofty meadow]

Yeah

I just said how the gifts might be presented

[ember plaza]

I think this would work much better as a minion

But still need better gifts

[lofty meadow]

I mean

Gifts are chosen by st so eh

[ember plaza]

Right but like

It should roll higher than a poisoner or cerenovus when it hits

cuz they don't get to choose what happens

[lofty meadow]

Ye

[ember plaza]

I think this could work pretty as-is if they gave a gift in addition to their kill, instead of replacing it

Cuz it makes more sense for random poison/madness/whatever as a secondary ability

[lofty meadow]

Maybe, but ye I'm thinking this cuz this seems a bit eh on a second read

[lofty meadow]

Hey at least they know what might happen

Luckily I refrained from using the extremely vague and nigh unsolvable something bad/something good

[ember plaza]

Prompt: Outsider modification

[red flame]

Baron Times a Thousand (Minion)
Most good players are Outsiders.

[queen perch]

recreating the brewery from first principles

(THIS ISNT ME)

[zinc aspen]

This also isn’t even top-down this is bottom-up

😭

[wintry vault]

maybe its me but i also have this pet peave when people mis-use it or mix it up at times

its like slightly aggreviating. not annoying but as though its an itch i cant scratch

[normal pike]

Advocate(Townsfolk)

Each night, you learn a character of a specific type(until you learn no more), they are either out-of-play or in-play.[+1 Outsider]

Virus(Outsider)

If you die, A Townsfolk becomes a outsider.[-1 Outsider]

Spirit(Minion)

Outsiders who died today poison their Townsfolk neighbour until dusk.[-1 or +1 Outsider]

Vindicator(Demon)

Each night* choose a player: they die. The First Outsider you kill this way becomes a Evil out-of-play Minion instead. [-1 or +1 Outsider]

[zinc aspen]

Why is virus an outsider?

[cerulean creek]

it can remove itself lmao wtf

vindicator straight up gets nothing for its negative o mod it only wants + mod, it also is a signaled turn and doesnt get fangs mobility unless sw is on script

spirit is too short duration for 1 poison

[leaden heath]

I know a way to make it actually an Outsider:

Virus (O) - If you died today or tonight, the Demon may choose a player & an Outsider they become.

[cerulean creek]

this sounds familiar but i cant place it

[zinc aspen]

Acc that’s quite a good way to mitigate the confirmation

Bc it could easily be an evil player claiming it

But you do still confirm the outsider so meh

[leaden heath]

People need to take official character clauses more often.

[cerulean creek]

^

cross reference precedents

[normal pike]

That works too, I wanted the Virus to be like a character like the Hermit..which can infact be in-play or not in-play depending on the Outsider Modification

[winged estuary]

Hermit can remove an Outsider, but adds in 3-4 additional Outsider abilities immediately.
This must remove an Outsider, but adds in 1 additional Outsider ability at a delay.

So effectively this just gets rid of an Outsider from the game, until it dies. Which is helpful for good. And that’s ignoring the confirmation it causes, essentially being a one-time Farmer

[normal pike]

Let me be clear, the prompt is Characters that causes other players to survive execution?

Dominator(Demon)

Each night*, choose a player: they die. Evil players you voted today survives execution.

[cursive oxide]

You just vote on yourself and can’t lose

[lofty meadow]

Now if you put other evil players

[sick gazelle]

Each night*, choose a player: they die. Other evil players you vote for today survive execution.

[cosmic kindle]

we live in a society where this thread is not called Homebrewery

[pastel trench]

Well that doesn't actually describe what this place is, with it not encompassing all Homebrew (Homebrew-ery) but encompassing the brewing of new characters, importantly, new brews (Brew-ery)

[leaden heath]

We live in a society where this thread is not called Home.

[ember plaza]

We live in a society where this thread is not called Homebrew Newery

[zinc aspen]

We live in a society where this thread is not

[lofty meadow]

We don't live

[zinc aspen]

We

[spark veldt]

We live in this thread

[wooden socket]

We live in a society 😢

[ember plaza]

Prompt: A character that changes what one or more other player's abilities are/do

[vapid pebble]

Prompt: A character that has, in it's ability text, the phrase "they are"

[vapid pebble]

Stainer (Minion) - Each night choose any players: their ability becomes "players you nominate die at dusk."

(note: dusk is after the execution occurs)

[cerulean creek]

You start knowing a player. They are gay.

[ember gull]

"In other news, the sky is blue?"

[ember plaza]

Descartes: Each night, choose a player who thinks: they are.

[spark veldt]

Aleph (Townsfolk)

You start knowing a player. They are mad that you are not Aleph, or they might die.

(virgin but funny)

well it‘s NWM but worse but better but weird

[winged estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/rene-decart-decartes-i-think-i-am-i-think-gif-15000598568860120443

[zinc aspen]

The fact I can hear them talk speaks volumes

[lofty meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/buster-jam-baby-happy-rattle-microgame-gif-3717647018067494000

[normal pike]

Townsfolk(Townsfolk)

they are a Townsfolk.

-# this is mostly a joke ability text.

[normal pike]

Demoter(Minion)

Idk who to turn this to a ability text but the concept is, Good Townsfolks who nominated might have their ability changed to be an outsider or it will removed completely.

[queen perch]

Townsfolk who are nominated might lose their ability & might gain an Outsider ability.

town just never nominates except for when they intend on executing if this is on script

[normal pike]

Imagine vortox with that..

[ocean hinge]

Mort (minion): All townsfolk abilities are slightly more boring. [+ The Steward]

[ocean hinge]

for this^

[spice shoal]

Mixologist (Traveller)

Two players swap abilities but don't learn this. Each night*, you may have them swap back & have another pair swap instead.

Could work well as evil to throw off a Clockmaker/ Chef pair

Could work well as good to swap an Outsider with the Baron

honestly could work better as a minion with once per game or entirely passive

[sick gazelle]

Prompt:
Make a character involving pairs of players in some way like the chef.

[ember gull]

Head Chef: You start knowing how many pairs of Chefs there are. [+0 to +2 Chefs. 1 of the extras is drunk]

[spark veldt]

You start knowing two pairs of players. Full house, four of a kind, straight

[ember plaza]

Matchmaker: You start knowing how many pairs of good players there are.
I have no idea if this is broken or not

[pastel trench]

Think about how powerful a Chef is in a Legion game for narrowing down where evil players are I suppose.

[spark veldt]

12p:
Matchmaker 8 → Chef 2
Matchmaker 7 → Chef 1
Matchmaker 6 → Chef 0

Congrats on reinventing Chef

i can't think of a reasonable difference

Spy can increase this number to make it look like evils are closer, Recluse does the opposite

Misreg is the only thing that matters

[stoic vapor]

Pick two players learn how many pairs of the same alignments are between them in a clockwise motion

[ember plaza]

Mortician (Townsfolk): Each night*, you learn how many pairs of dead good players there are.

[trim stag]

Gourmet Chef (Townsfolk)
Each night, you wake up last and learn how many pairs of neighbours wake up after each other.

[winged estuary]

Prompt: A character with “X” in its ability, where X is the current day/night

[umbral surge]

Townsfolk:

You start by learning X and choosing a player: if they die on day or night X, you learn the Demon. The Demon knows X.

[ember plaza]

Theorist (Townsfolk): On night X, learn a question whose answer is X.

[rigid juniper]

would probably be on day X

[winged estuary]

Yeah needs to be day

[trim stag]

Cartographer (Townsfolk): On Each Night X, learn if an Evil player is X players away from you.

[normal pike]

???(Minion)

On Day X, Townsfolks might lose their ability until dusk.[X is Outsiders, +1 Outsider]

-# Xaan but stronger real

[winged estuary]

Ah yes Xaan but it massively helps good

Actually no this just does nothing, it only affects daytime roles. You’ve invented half of a Baron

[ember plaza]

Prompt: A character that interacts with neighbors/seating order

[leaden heath]

Mule (O) - The 1st time 1 of your living neighbors is evil, the other becomes evil, even if you are dead.

[red flame]

Bar (Minion)
On Day X, Townsfolk players lose their abilities. (X Outsiders)

[winged estuary]

Prompt: A timer Demon

[pastel trench]

After day 3, evil wins. Each day, the 1st time a good player nominates a good player, all players learn this.

Well that's probably not very balanced lol, but train of thought

Maybe could even be After day 2

[zealous valve]

Ok weird idea

After Day 6, evil wins. Each night, you may choose a player: they are poisoned until dusk. If you don’t, the game ends 1 day sooner

I don’t like doing this with poisoner specifically but idea is giving it some sort of weapon that it can forsake for a shorter timer

Details unclear

[ashen flax]

this seems like you'd rarely actually want to poison anyone

[wanton ruin]

Prompt: A Townsfolk whose ability begins with “You start knowing who the Demon is.”

I’ll allow modifications to the wording, but it should in essence learn a player who (if sober, healthy, and learning true info) is the Demon.

[winged estuary]

This just feels like “After day 3, evil wins”

[zealous valve]

it should be EN* honestly, then it gets to 4

the problem is its hard to make an evne trade

i kinda have to make it an OPG weapon?

[winged estuary]

Just feels like there’s very rarely a reason to actually poison, skipping an execution is too valuable

Escapod does it well actually, it loses time but swaps the Demon around

[winged estuary]

The obvious answer is:
“You start knowing the Demon [+The Heretic]”
Or the much less fun:
“You start knowing the Demon. If you are mad they are the Demon, your team loses the game, even if dead, drunk, or poisoned”
But I’m sure there are others too

What about:
Follower (Townsfolk) - “You start knowing the Demon. If you are executed, your team loses, even if dead, drunk, or poisoned”
Luren (Demon) - “Each night*, choose a player: they die. If you are executed, your team wins. If the Follower is executed, your team loses [+The Follower]”

So if Follower is in-play with any other Demon, they want to execute the Demon. But if Luren is in-play, the Follower has to execute themself as the only way to win. It’s definitely very centralizing, but such is the nature of a “YSK the Demon” Townsfolk

[steep holly]

Townsfolk
Each night, you learn which player is the Demon. If a Minion lives, you are drunk.

[spark veldt]

You start knowing the Demon. If they die before only 5 or fewer players live, swap characters and alignments with them.

(toxic af)

whoopsies wrong wording

[winged estuary]

5 players are alive from the start of the game, it needs to be “only 5” or something similar

[brittle plaza]

(/j)

[winged estuary]

Y’All’D’T’Ve (Outsiderj - You might be executed if you speak a word that contains a contraction

[umbral surge]

the Governess

[abstract ember]

#botc-memes message

[zinc aspen]

No no they’re serious

this is a genuine prompt

[ember plaza]

Cassandra (Townsfolk): You start knowing who the Demon is, but nobody believes you.

[wooden socket]

In vortox you don't know and everyone buys it

[leaden heath]

Made this, but then realized it's just Drunk mixed with Puzzlemaster so should definitely be an Outsider.

Exceptionalist - You think you are a good character that learns a player or players. At the 1st opportunity, you learn the Demon.

I really don't have good ideas for how to balance this prompt without just making an off-color version of a certain speculated character. *Wink wink, nudge nudge* ||It's Mole.||

Oddly, Outsiders that learn the Demon are way easier.

[leaden heath]

Heretic 2 (Tf) - You start knowing the Demon player. Whoever wins, loses & whoever loses, win, even if you are dead.

I think that works.

[plucky steppe]

I don't need a character for this 😭

[wintry vault]

Prompt: A character that adds doubt to an Atheist wanting to claim or executing an Atheist claiming, without explicitly mentioning them in the ability text. (Ex. Drunk, Cerenovus, Marionette, Boomdandy all do this)

[umbral surge]

I have no idea how this character is run so don’t ask me but

Widower (Minion): Before the game starts, choose a good character: they must be in-play, but they are poisoned.

[cerulean creek]

yeah i dont see how this can work

[spice shoal]

Prompt: A character that works best on a Teensy

[leaden heath]

(ie. Steward /s)

[wintry vault]

Inabeio (Outsider) If your team wins the game, you get to throw a brick at the Storyteller.

The Inabeio reminds the Storyteller not to compromise on their values and basic human morals .

[ashen flax]

XD

[leaden heath]

I do genuinely have a good character for this prompt, but it's a pre-existing one. I've joked about posting old characters too much already in here.

[spark veldt]

Each night, learn a player with a different alignment as to last night.

[winged estuary]

I love the Balloonist but better

[amber sandal]

Prompt: Townsfolk that turns themselves evil due to their own ability, but is still worthy of Townsfolk status.

[ember plaza]

So like, cult leader if it was a townsfolk

[amber sandal]

Yes :3

[zinc aspen]

guys cult leader is a townsfolk 😭

[spark veldt]

so antimisinfo empath is an outsider, i hear you say

[ashen flax]

no, winning the game for good is a tf

[ember plaza]

Cult leader is an outsider with official Ravenswood Bluff residency status

[zinc aspen]

if people think that CL is an outsider just wait until they see ||moneylender||

[pastel trench]

My only issue with Cult Leader is that it doesn't turn good if it dies.

[amber sandal]

i am curious to see where the "Townsfolk that turns itself evil" design space can go

[wintry vault]

cult leader is an outsider cause its incredibly boring and makes everyone disinterested in playing the game

[ember plaza]

The only real one I can think of is snarmer

[spice shoal]

Minister (Townsfolk)

Each night, choose up to 2 players (not yourself): you learn if any are evil. If you learned yes last night, you turn evil tonight.

gives the minister a chance to be executed and remain good, or to hide it and join the evils upon learning where they might be

[spark veldt]

Copacetic (Townsfolk)

If the dead outnumber the living, most alive players become evil: only the current dead may vote, without a vote token & a majority isn't required.

[zinc aspen]

what game are you playing where that's the case wth

[hollow skiff]

I can get behind the case that its not a suuuper interesting character since generally I don’t think cult wins are ever particularly fun or engaging, just ending the game because everyone decided so, but you can just not agree to form the cults & instead have the CL be a pseudo Empath

[cerulean creek]

id honestly just prefer having empath on the script