#I think I need to be in Rev Pair every game to have fun at this point

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wheat scaffold
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I feel like almost every game I play,it feels like let's execute Yugi in case his evil in most of the game day 1 or 2 or just get executed in final 3.

If I have no info and nominate people base on social reads, people be like let's just execute Yugi.

If I out my info on day 2, the first reaction people have is that oh that's wrong without any evidence.
And then let's execute Yugi cause their info is wrong / they are evil with fake info or they are being too aggressive.

I been in so many games that people thinks I evil for no reason except social read day though I have not talk with them and it was before nom.

I have been in games where the ravenkeeper confirm me on day 2. People still trying to build me as evil.

I have been in games where I was the first execution, no death - pukka as the only reason , courtier comes out say they didn't drunk any demon, still build as evil.

And so many time when people build me as evil, no one else share any info with me to build proper worlds. I try talking to others they just lie anyways.

I feel like it's partially due to my accent which make it hard to understand and people just find it easier to think I'm evil or to just disregard my info.

Any solution for this? Do you all think Rev pair helps?

strange tree
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I don’t know what the answer is, but I don’t think Revolutionary is it, especially not as a long term solution on this server. While it’s a nice accessibility tool to people who can’t play otherwise, it’s very difficult to balance. In the hands of most Storytellers, it’ll make the game worse, and I worry that if it already feels that other players don’t like you, they could resent you for it. Maybe it’d be neat to try once with a very experienced and trusted Storyteller and Revolutionary partner!

If the main problem is that you always die first, being Angel protected the first day or two could work. If the social isolation is the main problem, I don’t think you can solve that with game mechanics.

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To mitigate the effect your accent has on the game if that really is the cause, you can try playing text only! It doesn’t require any changes to the game mechanics. You just have your mic muted, put (text only) in your name, and use the text chat while you’re in town square and DM people while you’re in whisper channels. It does unfortunately sometimes take a bit of reminding by the ST to make sure everyone is paying attention to text chat during nominations, but the text only system is easily the most commonplace accommodation in live games.

wheat scaffold
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Nobody pays attention to text chat,I have been using text chat alot. Sometimes not even the STs...

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Also I rmb I use text chat before.
Was eating dinner.
The person got on the block,I didn't want them to be executed.
Type my nomination in text chat.
When finish typing,ST say nom close...

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I don't think Angel works,they just going to execute me in f3 anyways or once the angel is out.

wheat scaffold
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Or maybe a spectator and me play as 1? They help me talk.

turbid glade
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For me personally I have seen you as good and evil, I think where people perhaps mis read you socially is that you get very animated whilst talking, the emotion can get quite loud/heated and sometimes gets to shouting, which I think puts people on the back foot.

I will say I've had games in the past where people just execute for social reads or information when that information doesn't exist, it's a playstyle some use.

As an ST when I see people building worlds of 'evil pings' on someone and then I'm like...... I've done the setup did I muck up something .... And I fast re-check all the info I gave out and realise it's just someone making up bogus information (sometimes they good, sometimes they're evil) it does feel weird but not much to do with it apart from acknowledge it's a play style. (I think it's been mentioned in the suggestion.but I haven't had time to read them all https://discord.com/channels/569683781800296501/1158060815434383501)

What I'd say as an offer of advice is perhaps to take a bit of a step back on the mic, see if reducing the reactions/emotions coming across could help, I'm not saying it will, but may be worth a try. Happy to chat about what I mean in voice chat at some point.

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strange tree
wheat scaffold
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Yesterday in 1 game.
Day 2 came out as FT got yes on twins.

1st reaction of people,dismissal of info.
1nd reaction,oh ur info don't make sense ur evil.

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Like in what world,and what benefits do I even have to lie about that?

wheat scaffold
turbid glade
# wheat scaffold Yesterday in 1 game. Day 2 came out as FT got yes on twins. 1st reaction of peo...

So I don't think we have the context, when did you come out, why did you come out, what other info was out etc.

I'd say an FT coming out public day 2 for example would be Sus, it's a role that usually wants to hide to try and get good info.

You could have been on the block, or perhaps someone had a ping on you causing you to choose to out, not sure we can answer specific examples without all the context. I also don't think we'd know all the context from others too etc, have you perhaps asked after game what happened with a player individually, see if they can give some feedback as to what happened? (Probably best in private so no one feels like they have to explain in front of a large group etc)

wheat scaffold
remote comet
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I can not say that I have played a lot of games with yugi, I can say that I have experienced a moment where Yugi have a defence/accusation which was undermined due to people not understanding what he said and ignoring his points. I do not know how common of occurence is this though.

wheat scaffold
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There was no ping on me.

People just executed me on day 2 after I nom the demon because my info is wrong with like evil with other 2 person + evil twin in game. 4 evil player no fang gu

obtuse mason
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While I think its normal to get built & executed as evil in really spurious worlds, getting built & executed as evil spuriously seems to happen more to Yugi more than most players.

I recall a few games where Yugi's defence against a spurious world was misunderstood by some players, leading to Yugi's execution.

Also witnessed that one game where a player pretended to not understand Yugi's accent for gameplay advantage, which was supremely not cool.

wheat scaffold
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Been built in worlds where there is 4 evils - this is not even the ridiculous one.

Been built in worlds where there is no vigor/poppy/imp on the script, a minion who was kill in the night by another minion or demon.

Been build in world my demon sink a kill after I got executed when instead of pukka game cause no death...

obtuse mason
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FWIW I think people building spurious worlds like that is super normal. For example, last game I played a player built me (a corpse) + player X (a corpse) + player Y (a corpse) as the evil team.

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(in 12 player TB)

remote comet
vernal nacelle
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So, here's a very mechanical look into it.

Day1 - Town usually doesn't have that much info. N2 info roles haven't activated yet. Continuous info roles e.g. Empath, can't quite tell if they are drunk or poisoned yet.

Town has 12 alive players.
It takes 6 votes to execute.
There are 3 evil players.

An average town player:

  • Tends to not want to act on a vote without information. I call this "sitting back".

  • Tends to trust the players they:
    a) talked with
    &
    b) had a good social read on

  • If no townsfolk e.g. investigator provides that information, the evil team usually does. They control 3 out of the required 6 votes after all.

---> The average townsfolk usually votes on:
a) a nomination based on some sort of information
b) on a random player they didn't get to speak with day1 & don't have any information on
c) on a player they spoke with, but socially read as evil

Suggestions & Tips:

  • Think of the vote as an election. You need to prep for it.

  • Speak to more players day1. That way they can read you as socially good. This is to avoid being randomly executed because they don't know anything about you.

  • You can even ask players for their vote directly in advance.
    e.g. "Hey, I think this player is evil because of..." "Can I count on your vote?" "Could you nominate them for me please?"

  • IF the good team sits back, the evil team usually controls the day1 execution.
    --> Consider taking control by nominating someone yourself. I recommend you find information e.g. a fortune teller ping for this. IF need be, you can also test the waters by making one up - but keep in mind, this can backfire.

TLDR: Speaking to more players on day1 allows for more players to trust you.

vernal nacelle
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There's also Ongaku's ravenkeeper way.
"I am the [role]." -announcement at the start of the 1st day.
Works for roles that are a big nuisance for the demon to kill if confirmed good by e.g. a juggler, gambler, empath or fortune teller.

Examples: Ravenkeeper, Mayor, Soldier, Sage, Saint

  • now the 8 other good players have a token for you. You're no longer "someone they don't have any info on".
remote comet
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I think that is an good advice but I do not think it necessarily adress the problem Yugi is experiencing. From the examples presented, it is more of I am always seen as evil whole game despite how many people I talk to or what the circumstance is than I am always outed early. I do not know enough for playstyle but the games I have seen Yugi play shows that there is an additional factor of being perceived due to his accent that makes this hard. I am getting the sense that it is not necesarily about his gameplay on that game rather than him feeling like his info is not regarded due to an external issue.

vernal nacelle
# remote comet I think that is an good advice but I do not think it necessarily adress the prob...

Another imperfect bandage solution could be the 'Last will' used in ToS.

  • IF you're in a private chat with someone - you can message them with DMs. This is how text only players communicate in private whispers.
  • You can prepare a copy paste of your information that you can message the other player
    e.g.

"Zeminus the Fortune teller
n1 Player A + Player B No
n2 Player C + Player D Yes"

"Zeminus the butler
n1 Player E as Master"

  • doesn't need to be a hard claim. You can prep a 2 for 2 or a 3 for 3 as well.
  • You can use this to support your voice chat. A player doesn't need to be text only to utilize these.
remote comet
rich panther
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You are free to approach nominations and defenses however you want. Just call them the demon and mic drop. Say 'nope' and mic drop. If you feel people don't pay attention to you or your info, don't give it to them. Trust me, every game people are begging me for my info. You don't need info to kill the demon, you don't need to share info to win as the demon.

vernal nacelle
rich panther
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Its a bit of a joke when zeminus does that though, hes generally occupying the floor most games anyway.

vague depot
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Aggressive players often get painted as evil, because inexperienced players think aggression = evil. People have said things to me like “she has to be evil, she’s just spewing words no one understands” “charlzy is an anagram of crazy” “no one good pushes that much on info”
But then the people who know me don’t vote, so it’s just about building a social understanding with players you play with frequently

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A rev pair would not be the solution

rich panther
vague depot
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In regards to your accent, I think you speak incredibly fast, slowing down would help people understand you better. When I zoom through my stuff I lose town to, so I slow down and repeat myself

vague depot
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“I used to think that to”

rich panther
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Remember when we played my homebrew where there is literally no evil team (only one player) and Zem still thought you were evil. ❤️

vague depot
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Or when I was the confirmed outsider and all the new players still voted because I read evil

vernal nacelle
rich panther
vernal nacelle
# wheat scaffold I feel like almost every game I play,it feels like let's execute Yugi in case hi...

Sometimes, I do a pseudo-rev pair by picking an experienced player, who I know can sway town one way or another (e.g. by building words or by charisma), and talk to them day1. That way, if I get nominated - I can pass my defence over to them.

To the town this reads that I trust this player - and that maybe even that the experienced player trusts me.

  • It's a lot more convincing when someone else defends you, than when you do it by yourself.

Part of the reason why so many players do a hard claim chat on day1

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It's a bit boring - but you sort of "borrow" the other player's charisma

wheat scaffold
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9h any1 that defend me will just be build as evil with me...

vague depot
strange tree
wheat scaffold
strange tree
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Also I’d like to make more clear that I don’t think any Fabled or any in-game solution will solve this. It is a server culture issue, and any solution that is not a server culture change will not work long-term. There will always be ways that people who want to exclude you will get around these measures to exclude you. The reason I personally want to help suggest multiple different accommodations and strategies is so that each game, in collaboration with your Storyteller, you can try stuff out that will hopefully make things a little better in the moment because the change that matters will take time.

wheat scaffold
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play another game today. Nom the demon day 1.
i get executed in final 3 as evil. No one try to listen to any world i build.
The snake charmer pick me.

My info was obviously poisoned as well. But no your weird info confirms your the mutant...like the fck

turbid glade
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I didn't see the full game but I caught the last 10 or so minutes and I read evil but for two reasons and I hope you can understand

  1. you used most of the night to build a world on voice chat, sort of talking as you think, very slow and almost like you were thinking of information as you went, maybe use text chat

  2. you started to pull out of the game, swearing, saying you don't care, being defeatist etc. I think acting like they can put a lot of people off, I guess 'negative vibes' impact others.

wheat scaffold
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  1. i was trying to build the world with the info that i have in the night. i got interrupted a few times so i just keep talking

  2. i was kind of giving up at that point cause i pretty sure one of my neighbour is the No Dashi. Say my info and executed the Pit Hag the day earlier some more. Gao also said she gave up earlier, people just choose to execute me.

it been at least 3/4 game where this happens. is like i can nom the demon the day 1, and they get lifted and yet i'm evil in final 3. Honestly so many game happen that way that i really don't feel like its fun anymore.

Literally after the 2 games last tuesday, waited until this week to play a few game. i think out of the 6/7 game, i think only 2 games was fun.

Also Snake Charmer already pick me, but they just ignore it. My info is weird cause No Dashi poison. Says I'm mutant like i don't understand.

I did what Zeminus says, tells a player my role day 1. in final 3, they still think i'm evil anyways. and they lie to me LOL

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if i'm the mutant. why would i come out with info that make 0 sense? Gatsby and Pit Hag whos own different team.

halcyon tapir
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Well, 2 out of 6/7 isn't horrible... that seems to be some progress.

Sounds like you usually play S&V? S&V has a lot of incentives for players to lie...

I think no matter what accents someone has, when you have complicated arguments (like world building with droison) they are much easier to track in chat. Maybe save voice chat for simpler statements. (I remember saying "Hey guys, I'm the Savant, I'll post my info in the chat" on several occasions)

Another possibility is to join a smaller server with a more tight-knit community, so you can play with the same people more often. I think when people see you playing a certain way as good, they will then trust you later when you play the same way.

wheat scaffold
wheat scaffold
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The snake charmer lied as well. But then came out after they die and clear me. I still the demon.

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Like in f3 no one ever listen to me.

They be like,it must be Yugi. Whoever I woke or nominate literally doesn't matter.

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Also I didn't vote for SnV. People voted SnV.