#What Evil Ping?

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cold lintel
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A Tower of Babel production

A custom script designed around the dilemma of difficulty bluffing Atheist as evil, and the feasibility in many Atheist games of mechanically confirming Atheist by final day. Instead of Atheist games or bluffs both depending on N2 decisions as to who to frame, there's more flexibility for evil framing as there simply... aren't evil pings.

Optional way to run is that the ST promises pregame that if Atheist is in play, no rules will be changed besides there not being an evil team (everyone may still get mechanically operable info as if all of the good roles were in play). The minions should each be sufficiently silent to prevent hard Atheist confirmation.

Good has a lot of tools to solve, and Evil--if they exist--have plenty of knowledge and tricks up their sleeve... as long as Townsfolk don't trip them up first.

What_Evil_Ping.png 📎 What_Evil_Ping.pdf 📎 What_Evil_Ping.json
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@lusty python

baron
sweetheart

shadow idol
snow halo
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seems too easy if no rules are changed if there is an atheist in gma

wanton grove
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lunatic with lm solo demon 🤔

snow halo
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wait true 🤣

cold lintel
shadow idol
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Most are open

shadow idol
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Baron can't be in an atheist game

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So if there are 4 outsiders

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No atheist

cold lintel
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Atheist with optional rules would have multiple fewer minions. You put them in TF or Outsider as you want. Also, you could have 4 Outsider claims in non-Atheist non-Baron because 2 claims are just evil

shadow idol
fierce sparrow
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philosopher could turn into the atheist, making any game with a philosopher much easier

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also poppygrower feels...off

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also spy does very little here, since there's no one to target and no one can pick kills. Best they can do is bluff better

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also snitch + spy isn't the best imo, and there's a lot of bad Marionnete interactions. I like the idea tho

lusty python
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Philo atheist also lets the ST break the rules, so it's a very good way to get yourself killed and/or just reset as the philo, and Poppy Grower is crucial to the script, since it makes most of the neat interactions - like Spy + Snitch - work! All Spy can do is bluff better... on an Atheist script... and register as Good to almost every ability 🙂

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I wouldn't recommend randomly selecting the bag for this script, but the idea is to make Atheist games a genuine challenge, and let Evil have a real chance at socially playing their way to an Atheist win

cold lintel
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Yes, the idea of solo LM came about more from looking at other demons and realizing Atheist often has the problem where ST has to decide who they want to frame as evil and playing against that, which is fine as Atheist but makes it hard for evil to bluff Atheist because eventually good players being framed are fine dying and it doesn’t last until late game. LM allows the movability/flexibility to let it be shifting who the evils are, where whether it’s an Atheist game or an evil bluff is really the socials of how well Town trusts each other, which was the goal we wanted.

ST in an Atheist game here ideally doesn’t have to play against Town, just play the game out with an evil-free setup and have it be a question of whether Town trusts each other enough to believe that there is no evil team and they can win together (and therefore it’s fair if they lose together from infighting and paranoia). Meanwhile, evil bluffing Atheist has room to just try to read as good as possible to convince Town there is no evil team, which is what we wanted to see works rather than the traditional “out yourself as Atheist/evil then need to continually frame another fake evil team who won’t actually be cooperating with you but you have to pretend they are”

sharp condor
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I have joined the text queue with this script 😄

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Excited to see it in action