secret thing

[tough silo]

I could do the passage of time

[low umbra]

A (csm, non-clocktower) friend suggested to rename it for the sake of thematics to:
Bad Movies

[sinful onyx]

Bad Movies Rising ?!

[junior knot]

Who’s gos?

[pallid sierra]

[fiery sleet]

3/12: what's each character's favorite Vine?

[pallid sierra]

grape

road work ahead

what are those

(he legit doesnt know)

[fiery sleet]

So, no head?

[junior knot]

the honorable judge

youre not my dad

Jan Feb ... 🎵 JAASON DERULOO 🎵

Jared, 19

Barbecue sauce on my ...

9 + 10

[fiery sleet]

Fre shavocado

[uneven field]

waiting for the youngins to come in and ask what vine is

[pallid sierra]

@hollow oasis answer todays question

[hollow oasis]

Not in my jays

[simple veldt]

i dont have enough money for chicken nuggets

[fallow rapids]

i‘m in my mum’s car... vrum vrum
get out me car!
aw...

[simple veldt]

two shots of vodka

[keen crescent]

Wouldn't you like to know, weatherboy.

[simple veldt]

oh my god they were roommates

what the fuck richard

[hollow oasis]

You thought you would get me wouldn’t you

I know what vines are

[blazing marsh]

it’s Wednesday my dudes

[junior knot]

I don’t think it was actually a vine, but it is one in spirit
elite employees

[cloud plover]

the grapevine (laugh track plays)

[foggy grotto]

this question took me back like 12 years goddamn

[pallid sierra]

[3/13]
What are your favorite characters of each playable type? (Townsfolk, Outsider, Minion, Demon, Traveler)

Optionally: why

[warped urchin]

[fallow rapids]

[keen crescent]

this is genuinely one of the hardest questions in all of botc, and I hate how often my playgroup asks me this.

Anyways, I'll do my best to narrow it down, gimme a couple years tho

^ based primarily on forcing myself to commit on a couple of these, and just sending it on something I consider to be equal among a couple favorites.

[low umbra]

I kinda just love my script Vigor and Friends for the way it’s made me come to appreciate so many characters more than I previously did, some of these included

[versed junco]

[uneven field]

favourite to play as, to be clear

for virgin, ogre, and baron, all three fulfill the same function that really gels with my playstyle of "my mechanical job is already done, I am now free to scheme and socially manipulate and play for my team by combing through everyone else's information"

ogre and baron allow me to lie and be chaotic for the whole game, virgin allows me to lie and be chaotic up until I get nominated

ogre is very mechanically interesting and it's a fun puzzle for me personally not knowing which team I'm on but knowing one of my teammates, ogre is like if being the gnome wasn't boring and awful

ojo is also very mechanically interesting, and it's very conducive to scheming (especially if your ST is good at STing)

gangster is peak, and that's simply enough reason

for the record, I prefer being a minion in a lil' monsta game to being the ojo, but I didn't count that since LM isn't technically playable

[pallid sierra]

I see
By "playable type" I just meant the 5 I listed, lil monsta still counts

[fiery sleet]

We're not so different, you and I

[blazing marsh]

[barren sun]

Depends on the day but I'll guess today I'll go with:

[heavy sundial]

[sinful onyx]

[severe raven]

[foggy grotto]

Amne with good STs are super fun and feel great to solve

Goon is such an amazingly designed alignment switching character and I love it to death

Scarlet Woman is often not recognized for not just its mechanical safety net but its social safety net. The SW gives evil teams much more ability to distance themselves from each other. Building evil teams is much harder when they’re socially uninvolved with each other, or even actively pushing on each other.

Yaggababble is fun!!! Not only can it fake Witch, Harpy, Tinker, Golem, Psychopath and more, but using the conversational aspect of clocktower as a weapon for a demon is super cool conceptually and really fun to play as.

Beggar is a really good example of risk and reward. Give up dead votes for objective alignment info, and of course evil beggars can do some crazy plays that other travelers often can’t do.

oh yeah fabled and Lorics

[sinful onyx]

that's not a playable type

[foggy grotto]

oh coolio

[vague pier]

Guessing like a puzzle is fun

Guessing like a puzzle is fun

A good knife is rewarding and being chill and expendable exe fodder after is chill as well

Love the aspect of choosing characters, intentional misfires and unintentional misfires

I don't like Travelling and never do, so Apprentice duping and being a role seems most fitting

[pastel prism]

this was REALLY hard to choose

[shrewd cloud]

Noble’s a nice, small puzzle. I do wish “disposable” Minions that tend to get in double claims weren’t put in as much as I think it makes it more boring

Ogre’s peak Outsider design, and feels fair despite completely breaking one of BoTC’s core rules. And it communicates an idea so well, which is just to follow your friend mindlessly

I love Pit-Hag when combined with creative TF and Outsiders that change substantially when evil, such as Fisherman, Snake Charmer, etc. I do also like Boffin for this reason. Goblin’s also up there for a different reason, since it’s such a fun design for an info sink Minion

Lots of candidates, but I love Vortox thematically. And I like how it turns info on its head, and often leads to two dramatically different worlds in a lot of games. Kazali is also up there thematically. Mechanically I do also really like Imp for being a simple, yet effective movement Demon

I’m not crazy about Travellers but Gnome’s a nice way to design a killing Traveller. Ample warning while still having some of that Ogre charm

[uneven field]

surprised you're the first gnomer of the pack

not because I like gnome and think it's underrepresented here (I don't, I think gnome sucks a lot), but because it's kind of a community favourite

[hollow oasis]

[dry sluice]

• : learning info is fun, and Savant learns more info than any other character, so therefore it's the most fun
• : least swingy "maybe evil" outsider
• : least swingy character period
• : the gold standard of demon mobility
• : the least offensive by virtue of having the smallest impact on the game

[blazing marsh]

Played as a General and love the fact that worlds can be eliminated based on how bad they might seem, I always overthink worlds so Its nice to have an Overall forecast on the game.

Politician and Baron are great for a plain canvas chaos gremlin.

Imp is great as I do not play evil well.

Bishop is great for fresh shenanigans

[finite wigeon]

• : Just generally good fun. It's not too busted, not too weak. I don't think I've seen a game that was less fun because of Slayer.
• : It is hard to explain, but Heretic is huge chunk of what I love about botc. All the risk, all the time. Horrendously game warping, but still incredibly fair. Legendary character.
• : The Minion was hard to choose, but Mario is usually good fun.
• : I love games where good gets to be completely honest, and Leviathan felicitates those. Lying is fun, of course it is, but I feel like the usual amount of lying in a botc game is just enough to get subtly grating over time.

[dusty thistle]

This was a tough question. Demons and outsiders in particular gave me a good bit of grief. But these guys are the characters that have spawned some of my favorite memories playing.

[pastel prism]

Alchemist - I love good-aligned evil abilities and good Minions or Demons, and Alchemist is basically the Townsfolk that represents that shit.

Goon - The Outsiders were tough but I like the Goon's alignment switching and the cost that comes with it.

Marionette - I love the fact that this basically allows the Storyteller to feed the exact perfect bluffing info to the Minion. This is not terribly useful, but only because the Marionette's best environment doesn't exist yet.

Fang Gu - I love the way the evil-turning is limited such that the Fang Gu just being on a script makes all Outsiders cautious, and only the Outsiders, unless something exists that can make a player who has a Townsfolk token an Outsider.

Barista - The Travellers were tough but Barista's ability is just cool to me.

[tough silo]

Im not sure what characters i truly like

But im grateful sometimes to get amnesiac, to get ogre, and to get boomdandy and to get Po

[foggy grotto]

yet another reminder to never accept any of your wizard wishes

[hollow oasis]

my best wizard wish is genuinely just "forced mayor"

[foggy grotto]

what

[hollow oasis]

yes

"On the final day, good wins if and only if a dead player is executed. A good player learns this."

[foggy grotto]

oh wait that’s kinda fun i fw that

[hollow oasis]

that's like

my average wizard wish

dw about it

[foggy grotto]

if a good player ever comes out saying the learned this and you’re in the game with me i’m hard trusting them

[hollow oasis]

well

yes.

you know who can bluff that

literally anyone trying to frame me or my own evil team

[simple crystal]

HP - one of my favorite games I played as good I was the HP and kinda just made soft confirmation chains - especially since my group likes witholding info, having a mechanical reason to talk to people is awesome
Mutant - making up random bullshit while simultaneously trying to solve the game is a very fun challenge
Spy - I want to know everything and make the perfect plan as evil, and also I really like having a starting bluff as a minion
Imp - can starpass (I find being flagbearer the whole game waaaay more stressful than having the opportunity to pass, even if I don't always use it)
Matron - one of my favorite games ever was a matron game where halfway through I realized I mechanically had to be the marionette with my demon now halfway across the grim. so yeah matron is cool

[dense moat]

3/14

PIck 2 characters, then click the text below

||They have been locked in the same room for an intdeterminate amount of time. What happens, and how chaotic does it become?||

[fallow rapids]

of course i‘m going to choose toxic science yuri

oh yeah okay

my answer is toxic science yuri

[modern plume]

Fearmonger and Heretic .

... ||Oh... oh dear...||

[exotic bone]

and
||well if god's real they're not going to be around much longer||

[dense moat]

||There gonna make a manifesto for how to overthrow the Church||

and (rolled randomly)

||The Ventroliquist does some annoying routine and the Tinker somehow gets a spontaneous heart attack before they can finish. So the Ventroliqust just keeps doing it for the corpse||

[modern plume]

||+1 Puppet for the Ventriloquist, it works out until it gets stinky||

[simple crystal]

and : ||the witch tries to curse the high priestess, the high priestess tries to therapize the witch, something something something, enemies to lovers||

[pallid sierra]

and
oh huh
||they get up to some hijinks, no doubt||

[finite wigeon]

|| The Heretic intentionally misunderstands fiddle, constantly talks about it synonymously with other instruments (violin, cello, guitar etc.) and says terrible things about historic fiddle players. By the end of the ordeal, the Heretic is either severely murdered, or the Fiddler has had a panic attack. Or both, both works. ||

I do wonder how many of these the answer will just be "they kiss"

[dense moat]

||Tbh, I could’ve had it be deserted island, but I came up with this question a week or so ago and wanted to use as is||

[foggy grotto]

||Eventually the Yaggababble yaps about their evil team and the Alsaahir guesses them||

[hollow oasis]

||Legion, on the command of the Lord of Typhon, battering rams out of the room. Then their arms fail and they all die||

Woops

[hollow oasis]

Why so accurate

[keen crescent]

||My ears.... The choirboy is singing while the banshee is screaming. Neither can hear the other. Both thinks their audience (me) prefers their sound. I'd rather hear neither.||

[uneven field]

||transbian yuri||

||every time there's a pick two characters question I keep picking hot ones and ending up being cucked, this is tragic||

||you know what from now on I'm the politician, we're not talking about a theoretical other politician, if we bring up the politician it is referring to specifically me, effective immediately||

||this is binding||

[pallid sierra]

Brilliant

[fast anchor]

||sloppy style yaoi makeout||

[modern plume]

How many answers are ||"They do it"||

[warped urchin]

All of them

[modern plume]

Yes: Coda, Cass, Axolator
Maybe: Safterix, Diego
No: Quil, Pere, Lady Mist, Bakedice, Kenoboi, Book909, Nerdguy

Surprisingly not as many as I thought

I got recency bias, lol

[barren sun]

||I think she's probably one of few people that could survive out of kindness. She's freaked out at first but quickly distracts his blood thirst by teaching him how to knit. When they're set free, he's wearing a new beanie and not a single blood stain on his clothes.||

[barren sun]

Wait what do you mean Fiddle and Violin is not the same concept?

[pallid sierra]

Put me in the maybe tier

[low umbra]

They are technically different because of the way they are used. They are interchangeable/same instruments ultimately, but they’re treated as different because of the cultural use more than anything

[valid garden]

The difference between a fiddle and a violin is when you buy it, it’s a fiddle, and when you sell it, it’s a violin.

[dusty thistle]

||This goes really, really poorly. The recluse spends the entire time getting as far away from the boffin as possible, and while the boffin cheerfully makes mutliple machines to attempt to escape. Only some of them require the recluse's vital organs.||

[barren sun]

I'm more confused than before but thanks ?

[warm gate]

the simplest explanation is that "fiddle" and "violin" both refer to the same kind of instrument, they're just different names for different genres

[dusty thistle]

This is just plain wrong btw. They are the exact same instrument. It more comes down to playstyle and what's being played. Violins are used in things like orchestra, symphonies, and chamber music. Fiddles are used in things like folk music, jazz, and bluegrass. The biggest difference is violinists are much more technical and precise, while fiddling allows for more freedom and improvisation.

[pallid sierra]

Exactly, violins are more high-falutin so they sell for more

[dusty thistle]

Oh. Ok that's a good one.

[uneven field]

sorry but they're fucking

I'm lying im not sorry

[dusty thistle]

||I mean, they are if you're into dismemberment.||

[uneven field]

crazy thing to say to Cass specifically

anyways the bus I was on broke down

not the first time this has happened to me

[pallid sierra]

Oof

Good luck out there

[dusty thistle]

Ah, the city.

[uneven field]

me and my two nickels

what city

[dusty thistle]

Just the city in general.

[uneven field]

no

[dusty thistle]

Public transport.

Etc.

Oh you're not in a city?

[uneven field]

we have that in not the city

[dusty thistle]

Oh that's really bad.

[uneven field]

no

[uneven field]

no?

replacement bus is already here

[dusty thistle]

Wonderful!

[uneven field]

there's no traffic, it's not a city

[pallid sierra]

American coded

[fallow rapids]

feel like there’s a correlation in this one

[uneven field]

city-brained urbanoids cannot comprehend the sheer efficiency of a village based landscape

[uneven field]

don't know what you could possibly mean coda

[fallow rapids]

gotta keep them guessing of course

[pallid sierra]

And just what exactly are you trying to imply about me and saftrix

[dusty thistle]

You're right about that smaller areas are not necesarily walkable.

And have busses.

[fallow rapids]

secret third thing?

[uneven field]

can't relate, it's all walkable here

except for like Sliema and St. Julian's but we don't talk about them

[pallid sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/egg-frank-can-i-offer-you-a-nice-egg-in-this-trying-time-gif-13802522

[dusty thistle]

I mean, it's walkable here too suprisingly enough.

[fallow rapids]

mate. this closet is made of glass

[uneven field]

where

[dusty thistle]

I'm not telling you anything past the city where I live.

Well, the area I live in in the city where I live.

[uneven field]

that is what I was asking, yes

[fallow rapids]

have you tried joining the union? i hear they provide bigger walk-in closets for your living pleasure

[uneven field]

America?

[dusty thistle]

I'll give you that, yes the US

[uneven field]

interesting

[dusty thistle]

But frankly, I don't trust anyone here with the city I live in.

No offense.

[uneven field]

what I've heard about the US is that it's basically like if Milton Keynes was a country

[dusty thistle]

Don't know what you'd do with that info, but I don't trust you with it.

[fallow rapids]

Lemon i‘m going to doxx you right now

[modern plume]

WOAH

CODA

[pallid sierra]

I would put up ads in the city that say "have you seen this man?"
But it's just a picture of your discord pfo

[dusty thistle]

"/openticket"

[fallow rapids]

man. it‘s like i‘m not even real

[modern plume]

-# My bad

[pallid sierra]

*throws a stone at you*

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/845749635016556617/1207720780276826212/caption.gif

[fallow rapids]

whoa there that is dangerous for your living situation! think of the property value!

[uneven field]

yeah, I'd apply for a visa, pay for a €2000 plane ticket, surrender my last five years of search history, get detained at an airport for no good fucking reason other than that I'm a little dark if you squint and my language sounds terroristic, all just to go visit you

[dusty thistle]

I'll probably learn that happened via a snopes article marked "true"

[pallid sierra]

Damn
Are flights really that expensive?

[pallid sierra]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/570050241022263317/1398206687919214693/1753428851013.gif

[uneven field]

I don't know but it's far away so I'm guessing

[dusty thistle]

I bet they're a bit cheaper since nobody's going to america at the moment.

But still expensive.

[uneven field]

I'm not going to spend any time researching how much a plane ticket to America costs because it's not a country I am ever going to

[pallid sierra]

Well the part I live in is great! So you should definitely come visit

[uneven field]

no

[dusty thistle]

Once things calm down a bit.

[pallid sierra]

The part I live in:

https://tenor.com/view/troy-community-room-fire-pizza-gif-5612111

[uneven field]

at your baseline, even without your current guy in office, the US is not safe for me to go to

I'm not going to the US for the same reason I'm not going to Somalia

[dusty thistle]

Like I said, once things calm down a bit.

[fallow rapids]

yeah i mean like

i too won’t really be going there

[uneven field]

I will, regrettably, die one day, so I won't get the chance

[pallid sierra]

Lmao

[fallow rapids]

where‘s the firesob emoji when you need it

[uneven field]

and I don't plan on having children so my great grandchildren won't be able to go either when it calms down

[pallid sierra]

Nah actually tho I'm so glad I don't have any crazy stuff going on where I live

Like

You see shit on the news
But you need to understand
The US is Big

Bigger than europe

[fiery sleet]

we got 50 whole-ass states in here

[fallow rapids]

no Singapore is definitely big it‘s most of what i‘ve known

[uneven field]

dude youre at war

[pallid sierra]

Yeah well it's not on our soil

[dusty thistle]

I mean, halfway across the planet.

It's actually changed nothing here.

[fallow rapids]

ignore that it‘s 1/2 rhode island

[fiery sleet]

I'm not personally, I'm just chill like that

[dusty thistle]

Well except gas prices.

[pallid sierra]

Insane statement if you think about it even a little, but true

[uneven field]

like I don't care how much area of empty unpopulated fields you have, you just started another forever war in the middle east, your soil or not your economy is going to suffer for decades

[pallid sierra]

Let's be clear

we didn't start anything

[dusty thistle]

That is true, but it's also not dangerous.

[fiery sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/squid-clear-myself-gif-meme-gif-25725527

[pallid sierra]

A handful of politicians did

[uneven field]

oil is $100 a barrel

[fiery sleet]

I'm not buying oil

[pallid sierra]

I don't drink oil

It tastes bad

[uneven field]

yea of course, the royal you

[pallid sierra]

I prefer to munch coal

[pallid sierra]

Nothing royal about me

Please ignore the name

[fallow rapids]

wait

[uneven field]

Diego and lemonlemonlimey caused the war

[pallid sierra]

Shhhhhhhh

[fallow rapids]

what does hexagon priestess even mean

[pallid sierra]

It's a spec&spoilers thing

Basically

[fallow rapids]

ohh that hexagon chart

-# wait why priestess

anyway

[dusty thistle]

Yeah, wrendle's innocent to.

[fiery sleet]

it's like high priestess but instead of learning a random player, you learn players in a hexagon shape (this still tells you nothing)

[fallow rapids]

doesn’t this only work in 6 and 12 players if you wanted a regular hexagon

[uneven field]

nobody said the word regular until you

[pallid sierra]

There we go

So anyway I made a chart and a theory and it might be slightly cultish because that's funny

And I am the high priestess of our order

[fallow rapids]

are you... taping paper to the corkboard?

[pallid sierra]

No

It's horizontal

It's just loose

[fallow rapids]

oh

[pallid sierra]

LOOK I DIDN'T HAVE THUMBTACKS AT THE TIME OK??

[dusty thistle]

Do you at least have red string?

[pallid sierra]

No :(

[uneven field]

the storyteller should send you to talk to a psychiatrist

[pallid sierra]

Well I did today already

He gave me an autism test
And, like every test I've ever taken, I passed with flying colors

[uneven field]

peam

[dusty thistle]

I don't think psychiatrists are authorized to do that.

[fallow rapids]

??

that‘s literally their job

you‘re thinking of psychologist

[dusty thistle]

Oh

🤦

[uneven field]

nonono, lemon's thinking of a podiatrist

[dusty thistle]

Yeah a psychiatrist is a doctor, they can make diagnosis.

[dusty thistle]

Hey, to be fair, the light was on.

[fallow rapids]

lemon’s thinking of pediatrician

[uneven field]

and was confused what autism had to do with feet

[pallid sierra]

Quite a lot if you go into podiatry

[fallow rapids]

pulmonologists. pharmacologists

[dusty thistle]

Funnily enough, these guys can make an autism diagnosis.

[uneven field]

anyways I'm curious to see what correlation you've drawn between yourself, axo, and I

[fallow rapids]

exactly!

[pallid sierra]

Oh also, unrelated, but I love the gambler essay
I haven't read it all yet, but it's good

[uneven field]

it must be that we're incredibly based

[fallow rapids]

through the roof, one might say

[dusty thistle]

As a collection of citrus fruit, I'll be happy to neutralize that for you.

You have no idea how long I've been waiting to say that line.

[fallow rapids]

i‘ve said this line before

wait maybe i still have it

[dusty thistle]

Yeah, but I can actually do it.

[pallid sierra]

As a Diego, I would be happy to watch the baking soda volcano go off

[uneven field]

us: BUT WHAT IF THEY KISSED SLOPPY STYLE?

[pallid sierra]

Oh god

Just reminded me of that horrifying mango soda ad

You know the one I'm talking about

[dusty thistle]

I don't but I don't want to know.

[uneven field]

no

I don't know if I've ever had a mango

[fallow rapids]

no i don’t

lost to time

[dusty thistle]

Well, if you can find one, you should try one.

[fallow rapids]

i‘ve had mangoes earlier today

real easy to get mangoes when you live right next to them

whodathunk

[pallid sierra]

You live in a tree?

Sounds fun

[fallow rapids]

don’t doxx me

[uneven field]

I wish singapore was real

[fallow rapids]

yeah, the i in our name makes the whole thing imaginary

[pallid sierra]

While we're doxxing ourselves

[fallow rapids]

just multiply by i to get -sngapore

[pallid sierra]

I feel so incredibly bad for you cass, mangoes are great

[uneven field]

what's really going to happen if we doxx ourselves?

[fallow rapids]

i mean you got me down to my city

[pallid sierra]

More people join my clocktower group?

[dusty thistle]

I mean, do you want the serious answer?

[uneven field]

I've doxxed myself a lot on this server and there's only been one stabbing at my doorstep

[pallid sierra]

Uh

Huh

Ok

Good to know

[fallow rapids]

good luck finding me, profiling 6.11 million people to find a singular clocktower-loving lesbian galguy

i love high population density

[uneven field]

that's so many clocktower players

[pallid sierra]

Lucky

[dusty thistle]

I'm willing to bet with this information someone now knows exactly who you are.

[fallow rapids]

if they did they‘re in my IRL group

[dusty thistle]

It's probably not even hard.

[uneven field]

yeah I'm pretty sure you could find my exact address from things I've said here if you look hard enough

[fallow rapids]

they literally proofread my articles anyway and helped me with CJRD

it‘s not going to be difficult for them to know who i am i literally told them

[dusty thistle]

Mine too actually. And I'm being extremely careful about what I say.

[fallow rapids]

i don’t actually give locational information at all online

[uneven field]

on account of I've mentioned it's been on the news for being the site of an attempted murder

[fallow rapids]

other than my country but you could probably figure that out by the grammar i use anyway

and timezone

[uneven field]

I give out my island

which already narrows me down to like one of 45000 people

[dusty thistle]

I mean, it's scarily easy to find someone online. All you need is a name, an email adress, or any piece of semi-specific information really.

[uneven field]

ah but I don't have social media

[fallow rapids]

i love my name but it‘s not my legal one

[dusty thistle]

Also the other thing is, there's almost certainly somebody shadowing our conversation. Some sort of bot, or someone who never talks. Or even someone who does.

[uneven field]

you can't do anything with my name, I'm not on anything and it's not on my id card

have that shit for free, I'm Audrey Caspian Spiteri, you'll never find me

yes, that's right, I deliberately chose my own name and I still go by a shortening of my middle name

because that's how much of a queer I am

[fast anchor]

knowing me i'll find a way to doxx myself at some point in the near future

knowing me i probably already have

[uneven field]

again, what's the worst that could happen?

[fast anchor]

someone like sends a pipe bomb to my house or something

[pallid sierra]

Just don't have bad takes on clocktower then?

Like, sure, maybe that would be a problem for someone else

[fast anchor]

see that's hard when my takes are exclusively good and the people whose takes are bad send pipe bombs to my house

[pallid sierra]

But you're fine

Oh yeah

I forgot about people who are wrong

[uneven field]

I can never forget about people who are wrong because I'm surrounded by you at all times

this is why I love hiking in the wilderness, so I can get away from all the chronically wrong people and breathe in some of that rare fresh correct air

[pallid sierra]

Are you including me in people that are wrong? What the hell

[uneven field]

I'm being proactive

[pallid sierra]

...whyyy

😭

[fallow rapids]

just hit a backdash

[uneven field]

what are your opinions on S&V diego

[pallid sierra]

I... Like it

[uneven field]

that's why

[pallid sierra]

Evil twin especially is peak

It's my least favorite of the base 3

[fallow rapids]

do an extended hyper or something idk does that give invincibility frames i don't think it does

[pallid sierra]

But it's still very well designed

[uneven field]

tolerable

[uneven field]

intolerable

[pallid sierra]

Name one design flaw

[fallow rapids]

accessibility settings yourself

[uneven field]

evil twin vigormortis same script

[pallid sierra]

Why is that bad?

[uneven field]

outsider mod only on demons and fixed strictly at +1 and -1

[fallow rapids]

tbh it's like Vigormortis and Evil Twin are incompatible but they're actively needed on SNV because jank

[pallid sierra]

If you hate that they're -1 and +1, don't look at TB or bmr

[fast anchor]

-remindme 24h pop back into this thread

[digital drum]

Set a reminder in 1 day from now (<t:1773594767:f>)
View reminders with the reminders command

[fallow rapids]

Evil Twin has to do a billion things and Vigormortis has to do a million things

[pallid sierra]

This is a good interaction

[fallow rapids]

okay I won't go that far

[uneven field]

i don't hate that they're +1 and -1, I hate that the only two outsider modifying characters on the whole script are a demon that is strictly +1 and a demon that is strictly -1

[fallow rapids]

saying ET and Vigor are a good interaction feels a bit disingenuous

[uneven field]

see? you're wrong, I was right to be proactive

[fallow rapids]

it's an interesting interaction but i wouldn't say it's good

[pallid sierra]

Tell me what's bad about it

[fallow rapids]

especially in 7–9 where BOTC is designed to be

it's not food

[uneven field]

*role vigormortis

[low burrow]

Vigormortis (Demon) - Sects & Violets

Each night*, choose a player: they die. Minions you kill keep their ability & poison 1 Townsfolk neighbor. [−1 Outsider]

**Affects Setup: **True

[pallid sierra]

???

[uneven field]

*role evil twin

[low burrow]

Evil Twin (Minion) - Sects & Violets

You & an opposing player know each other. If the good player is executed, evil wins. Good can't win if you both live.

**Affects Setup: **False

[fallow rapids]

food? i mean yeah

[pallid sierra]

Strictly untrue

It leaves evil with a win con

If the good one gets executed, even with the et dead, evil wins

[uneven field]

I don't know if you realise this diego, but if the vigormortis kills the evil twin, that solves the twin problem

[fallow rapids]

it leaves evil without a demon ability that doesn't override an evil ability

[pallid sierra]

(town doesn't know this tho)

[fallow rapids]

what? yes town does

[uneven field]

if only there was a good player who knew the evil twin

[pallid sierra]

From their pov, the good twin could have died and they have an outed evil sitting around

[fallow rapids]

???

[uneven field]

an outed not demon

[fallow rapids]

the evil twin ability is neutralised because Good can't win if you both live

so you just have 1 confirmed not demon blank token evil or actual TF

[pallid sierra]

Two words:

Pit hag barber

[uneven field]

THATS THREE WORDS you didn't hyphenate pit-hag

[fallow rapids]

isn't this about 7 to 9

[pallid sierra]

Nonono

TB was originally designed for 7-9

BMR and snv are designed for 7-15

[fallow rapids]

BMR is also greatest at 7-9

[pallid sierra]

(TB is too, it's changed a lot from its origin)

[uneven field]

ah yes, this fixes this interaction entirely and unquestionably, carry on

[uneven field]

do I need to tone indicator this? I feel like it's very obvious

[fallow rapids]

saying Pit-Hag fixes this interact is also kind of nothing though Pit-Hag fixes everything bad about an SNV evil team

on account of changing said evil team to be better

Barber doesn't fix this i think

[pallid sierra]

Yes, it's obviously /sra

[fallow rapids]

what can you even do with Barber

to solve Vig ET

make a new ET?

[uneven field]

"but pit-hag" is a bullshit excuse on par with "but what if you gave batman prep time?"

[fallow rapids]

ig you could swap the ET and Vig

but now town has infinite time to get info

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[uneven field]

you could try to find one very niche unintuitive interaction that will literally never happen in a million games that still doesn't actually make it not a bad interaction, or you could just accept that they shouldn't be on a script together

if S&V was a custom script made by a community member and not official TPI material, people would say it is bad script building, because it is

it is shielded reputationally by its status as an official base script, because a lot of people play it very early on into their playing career very many times and have a nostalgia forced onto them because of it, and many people are reluctant to admit that Steven Medway can do wrong

[uneven field]

but it is a janky, fucked up script

coda is running cruel and unusual this month, and I am willing to play a game of that despite not being willing to touch S&V because at least C&A is horrible in a fun and novel way

[fallow rapids]

CaU is whimsically bad

[pallid sierra]

No, Steven medway can definitely do wrong
See shabooboo and Prof on bmr

[fallow rapids]

severely overengineered stench

Prof isn't actually that bad

Shane is also perfectly fine

[pallid sierra]

Hey, join me in #speculation-and-spoilers where I'm slowly redesigning the base 3 if you think you could do better

[fallow rapids]

BMR kinda does need a Virgin like because of all the lack of info and everything

Shab... Shab's fineeeee

BMR needs a 2kpn

[uneven field]

it's a shame because evil twin and vigormortis are both great characters separately, but they've been fucked by their home script

everyone's first impression of these characters is a script in which they are bad and don't function like they should

so people don't script build with them as much

[uneven field]

I already have done better

[fallow rapids]

ooh show

[uneven field]

this server's got short term memory loss, everyone's forgotten that we've already made peak

[fallow rapids]

oh yeah this one

i always thought Yagg here was ridiculous

[uneven field]

Maddy wanted yaggababble

and she was fucking right, it's fun

[fallow rapids]

can we unwant Yaggababble it's like literally only here for witch funny though

doesn't it confound the Pit-Hag Vortox

[uneven field]

yes, it does

feature not a bug

[fallow rapids]

you also have like Acrobat which is DSB but on something that gives info

oh wait ig you have magician for Pit-Hag Vortox

ehhhhhhhh sure

[pallid sierra]

Yag is fun
Not home script material tho

This is good, but not perfect

[fallow rapids]

Harpy isn't really doing what Cerenovus does in misinformation but that's fine because Xaan exists

Vortox Xaan Question Mark?

[uneven field]

I made no claim that this was an extremely balanced script, I said that it was better than S&V and that it is incredibly fun

Sex & Violence is designed to be mechanically wild, the design philosophy is "the things S&V is trying to be but more fun"

[pastel prism]

i didn't think an "S&V but good" script would have clockmaker but hey, if it works it works

[fallow rapids]

i mean, i'm shocked you kept clockmaker

[pastel prism]

jinx

[fallow rapids]

skull

i'm also tsking at Cult Leader

you have No Dashii chat it's sad

[uneven field]

clockmaker is put in check by the sheer number of things that can throw it off both mechanically and socially

cult leader no dashii is simply an interaction I like

you can make separate arguments about how much you tolerate cult leader as a standalone character independent of the script, but

[fallow rapids]

isn't it literally the entire reason why you have to CL on here

sorry SOI

[uneven field]

SoI is there because of pit-hag

[fallow rapids]

yeah

[pastel prism]

i think acrobat and yaggababble are the things i most disagree with here looking at this more because i feel like PitHag variable deaths are meant to signal to the good team the demon changed, and having other ways for the deaths to be different feels weird
SNV tries to be many things, and a 1 KPN script only altered by the PitHag is one of them

[uneven field]

I can understand why not being able to definitively tell when a pit-hag has changed the demon is controversial, but given there's still very few interactions that are loud like that, I am personally of the opinion that not being able to hard solve whether the demon has been changed immediately adds more depth to the script

this script basically has a makeshift ||daughter of nox|| in that sense

[fallow rapids]

feels like a bit of Outsider Acro

[uneven field]

it's not an outsider, acrobat is quite useful here

detecting where the poisoning is is a great way to solve the game

[fallow rapids]

i mean, you can hit ND poison, Puzzledrunk, Vigpoison, Philodrunk, Snakecharmed, and Pit-Hag can just create a Pm at any time

i like Philo and SC

well i mean. evil Philo and evil PM

[uneven field]

crucially not all of those will be in play and some of those will be loud

acrobat can miss and be less useful than it has potential to be, that's why you have to use it properly

[pallid sierra]

Also, the name is already taken
So it loses points for brand appeal

[uneven field]

if it hits straight it's very powerful

[uneven field]

by?

[pallid sierra]

Idk

[fallow rapids]

what

[uneven field]

we have the only script thread named Sex & Violence

you can go look

[fallow rapids]

i'm going to so make a new script thread

hold on

[uneven field]

yeah but ours will still be the original

[fallow rapids]

fine...

@ everyone pretend pearly gates is snv on April 1st

[uneven field]

people see sex & violence and start nitpicking janky interactions but we've never had a game of it that wasn't peak so

it speaks for itself, if it's peak it's peak

[pastel prism]

i was GOING to say earlier that Banshee is weird because it's hard confirmation but Pithag and barber exist so that's not a thing to nitpick

it's peak

[uneven field]

id run it in longtext but I'm on self-imposed exile

whenever I've decided I'm done atoning for my sins I'll come back and run it

[pastel prism]

that also just reminded me that the vortox banshee jinx exists 😭

[uneven field]

banshee is usually hard confirmation 😭 this is one of very few scripts where it isn't

[pastel prism]

yup

[uneven field]

pit-hag is actually so fun on sex & violence because there's so much incentive to not just pick evil characters

[pastel prism]

is there an incentive to turn good players into minion or demon

if so then i'm sold

[uneven field]

there's always an incentive to do that by default, the incentive is that it's funny

make someone the xaan, what the fuck are they going to do about it

actually there is added incentive to demonise a good player

if you're the pit-hag and there's a magician in play, just

turn one of them into a demon

[pastel prism]

alright nice

[acoustic chasm]

and

||The king tries to arrange a wonderous banquet for the Shabaloth to try and not get eaten. The Shabaloth eats the entirety of the kings larder. The Shabaloth eats the king. Suddenly, sensing trouble, the choirboy runs up the stairs to see if anything is the matter. The Shabaloth regurgitates the now rather soggy king, to try to assure the choirboy that, no, they're not a demon and yes, the king is just fine!||

[inner gazelle]

Cult Leader and Chambermaid

||The two come to an agreement, of sorts. Best thing since Goon and Sailor.||

[uneven field]

let's just abandon all pretense

[warped urchin]

But I worked so hard on my pretenses

[uneven field]

[15/3] Pick two characters and describe them making out sloppy style

(you absolutely have permission to overwrite this)

[pallid sierra]

Ok I'm overwriting this

[3/15] pick two characters and describe them making out in any style you want

[uneven field]

I want to start writing zombuul smut but I fear it might be so incredibly based that it will get me banned

[warped urchin]

Someone's gotta do it

[pallid sierra]

writing it is fine
just dotn poist it in this server

[junior knot]

** [3/15] ** In honor of all of us missing pi day, what flavor pie does your favorite character eat?

[dusty thistle]

Banana

You could say that joke was low hanging fruit

[inner gazelle]

Strawberry Rhubarb

[blazing marsh]

… I mean just look at it.

[fast anchor]

[modvoice] just write it on ao3 don't force us to get involved because minors are on this server

[pallid sierra]

Strawberry

(I love that the deep crevices of this server have their own lore)

[uneven field]

no I don't

[pallid sierra]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/845749635016556617/1207720780276826212/caption.gif

[modern plume]

Refuses to answer the question and just looks at you in annoyance.

[pallid sierra]

Skill issue

[uneven field]

disagree

I don't eat sugar in general

[pallid sierra]

- Strawberry

[pallid sierra]

Well then good thing we aren't in #general

[fallow rapids]

this question is really something

all american apple pie

[pallid sierra]

If you want to make apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the univers

[inner gazelle]

There’s a storybook about that

[pallid sierra]

-# ( @uneven field say jk rn, you get the reference right?)

[pallid sierra]

[grizzled marsh]

Starts an empty speech that makes you seem like they eat the same flavor than you no matter the flavor you eat

[pallid sierra]

"non-alcoholic pie"

Banana creme pie

(to the face)

[uneven field]

no

but as previously established I'm the politician

[pallid sierra]

[THIS PORTION REDACTED]

[uneven field]

I don't like pie, I'm running on a no pie ticket

[pallid sierra]

@uneven field

[uneven field]

I have not played celeste

[pallid sierra]

Heresy

[uneven field]

don't engage in stereotype diego

[pallid sierra]

I'm not
But it's a very good game

[uneven field]

I don't play video games

[pallid sierra]

whatever cass said

[uneven field]

no I'm the politician Diego we've been over this

[karmic rose]

[uneven field]

?

[pallid sierra]

Wait since when does that say "your favorite character"
I read it as "your character"
Wow, I know how to read

Humble Pie

And/or
A taste of their own medicine

[uneven field]

my favourite pie is shepherds pie because it's the least pie pie

so
shepherd's pie

[pallid sierra]

Mmm actually really good choice

Damnit I need to make an evil twin script

[uneven field]

regular pie with regular pastry is a perfectly annoying dish, the pastry traps in enough moisture to sort of half boil/steam the filling making it moist and soggy but not enough that it's properly steamed

[pallid sierra]

?

That's why you leave holes

[uneven field]

to me it is sensorily abysmal

[pallid sierra]

Or a lattice

[uneven field]

the problem persists even with holes

[pallid sierra]

I used to hate pie
Then I baked my own
And I learned that everyone else was just cooking it wrong

[uneven field]

could be

I have very little reason to try because shepherd's pie is far superior

[pallid sierra]

See, the thing is
You can eat pie for breakfast, lunch, dinner and dessert

That is the beauty of jt

[uneven field]

it has a consistent, easy to break texture

the filling is not the only draw, because its shell is mashed potatoes

lamb is a fantastic meat

[karmic rose]

best pie is chocolate bourbon pecan

[fallow rapids]

i don’t like most pies

[uneven field]

I fail to see any actually reasonable applications of pie for most of these

[fallow rapids]

pie for lunch?

[uneven field]

I say this as someone who loves foods that are a primary filling surrounded by a carbohydrate-based exterior shell, pie crust is the single most unsatisfying and perturbing carbohydrate shell available to eat

[inner gazelle]

Quiche

[modern plume]

Shepard's Pie, Cottage Pie, Chicken Pot Pie

[fallow rapids]

dumplings...

ravioli and buns

yeah they’re all better than pie

[warm gate]

cheesecake

[uneven field]

shepherd's pie is a false pie, it's not a standard pie

which is why it is better

[fallow rapids]

water pie

sure is depressing

[uneven field]

Yorkshire pudding, scotch eggs, gyros, the humble sandwich

virtually every variation of filling surrounded by a carbohydrate dermis is better than pie crust

[pallid sierra]

Quiche

Shepard's pie is a pie

Cherry

Chicken pot

[uneven field]

a
: a dessert consisting of a filling (as of fruit or custard) in a pastry shell or topped with pastry or both
b
: a meat dish baked with biscuit or pastry crust

shepherd's pie is a false pie

the thing that makes pie pie is the thing that makes me not like it

the crust

[fast anchor]

uhm actually tau is just better in every single context and we really should be celebrating that day instead of pi day because you see tau is just 2π and is infinitely more applicable a—

[junior knot]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-why-not-take-both-gif-11478682

[fiery sleet]

homemade cherry pie

pizza pie (aka just pizza)

[fiery sleet]

also cream pie (not to the face)

[uneven field]

awful

[lost thistle]

Pie flavor

[digital drum]

Reminder for @fast anchor

Reminder from YAGPDB

pop back into this thread

[sinful onyx]

beef

[static veldt]

splattered pies

[barren sun]

gives a bouquet of flowers to the , and she gives him a kiss on the forehead

:))

[barren sun]

very expensive chocolate

[uneven field]

:)

[modern plume]

Artist has the plan, ready with their new sequel to their critically acclaimed movie "IN", now they need someone perfect for the horror thriller to be titled "OUT". With their perfect star of the Huntsman and talks about getting the Damsel in on it too for that always necessary romantic subplot, Artist will make a film of the horrors of nature, dealing with the OUTside, being withOUT resources, and running OUT of time.

That's what "making out" means, right?

[shut yew]

Empath and their 2 neigbours, double kiss on both cheeks

We are one step closer to botc fanfiction

[pallid sierra]

[3/16] what is your craziest botc lore theory

please stop making them kiss

(unless thats your answer to todays question)

[modern plume]

You realize you've already doomed your question now, right?

[pallid sierra]

yes

[shut yew]

Slayer does not know how crossbows work

[pallid sierra]

what a repulsive thign to say! *throws an arrow at you*

[shut yew]

Po is just some guy named Po, but he is very strong. Goes to gym every day. Po charge is his leg day

[modern plume]

The only reason the Recluse sometimes gets shot is that they're only one willing to explain it to the Slayer.
Everyone else won't get near the idiot flailing a crossbow around, while Recluse is desperate for a friend.

[shut yew]

Virgin is actually not a virgin but the scarlet woman is

[pallid sierra]

The monk is across the road from the innkeeper and tries to get people to come to them for safety instead

[shut yew]

The evil team are the good guys actually. The good team literally just executes everyone over a death of some random guy who prob doesbt even exist

[modern plume]

I have done this as the theme sometimes with my text games.

[pallid sierra]

theres a hidden arg in the files of the website that we need to complete to unlock the expansions, but no one has found the first clue yet

[shut yew]

How do text games work? You mean botc right

[modern plume]

Yes

[pallid sierra]

no

[modern plume]

BOTC Longtext here on this server.

[pallid sierra]

said teh evil diego who lies

[fallow rapids]

lore? or general story ideas

[shut yew]

Where?

[pallid sierra]

eitehr

[fallow rapids]

my lore for BOTC is that the Storyteller continually resets everyone's memories at the end of the game

[modern plume]

The main text-game-chat is here #text-game-general , you can look down around where that is

[pallid sierra]

[fallow rapids]

Amnesiac specifically remembers everything and that's why they seem forgetful

"uh... i thought you were the balloonist..."
"????"

The Storyteller loves fucking around with Amnesiac

poor guy

my general story idea for BOTC is that it'd work pretty well as a generic superhero/villain story

different scripts are different cities

[modern plume]

If I ever do run a longtext RP game, there is one bit of lore twist I'd do for the game.
A deceased Storyteller and a death are required to initiate the twisted game, ||but these aren't required to be the same person||.

[fallow rapids]

nobody wants to live in the SNV city

[modern plume]

What, SNV is the nicest of the three versions of Ravenswood Bluff?

[fallow rapids]

(because there's a brainwashing villain )

[pallid sierra]

but

yeahhhh buit thats any college town

just ignore them

[inner gazelle]

Everyone knows everything about each other, seems claustrophobic to me.

[fallow rapids]

i imagine Cerenovus pulls off super elaborate mass mind control like daily

[modern plume]

-# Why the laugh, Rowan? What's wrong-

[fallow rapids]

but for the heroes (read: TF) they're more tolerant but still prone to being gaslit that they're someone else

[inner gazelle]

-# Sorry, wrong react, joy and eyes are in my top emojis

[fallow rapids]

it gets really bad for you mental health when you realise all your memories about being the Mathematician are fake constantly

SNV city is like low rent but not a bad city

[modern plume]

It fits the prompt sorta, so forwarding these here

[fallow rapids]

i imagine the citizens there are weirdly prideful about their city

[modern plume]

No way is SNV low rent. It's the most affluent of the three versions

[fallow rapids]

also Evil Twin is a shapeshifter and Pit-Hag and Witch are a power couple

[fallow rapids]

i mean, they have a good university and carnival and art corridor but the citizens aren't like, rich

[inner gazelle]

The Princess only gets one shot because it turns out she can only trick people into thinking she has the authority to execute people for one day.

[shut yew]

The storyteller is a spirit of tragedy writer now haunting Ravenswood blufc and making ordinary people assume the roles in his story which he now writes in fabric of realiry itself. The atheist is the only one aware of it and is the most tragic character of all

[modern plume]

The general citizen base is much more well off, which affects the general rent prices much more than it would in the generally poorer TB or BMR, which has specific rich individuals who would have their own estates.

[inner gazelle]

BMR is the Gotham to SnV’s Metropolis

[shut yew]

Botc is basically princess tutu plot

[fallow rapids]

TB is the expensive town because you get to feel a bit of the superhero/villain thrill but actually Spy and SW don't mess with the citizens; Baron is like cartoonishly evil, and Poisoner secretly is in charge of keeping the water supply clean

the fighting is more for the press

Imp is engaging with mass cahoots with the Mayor to keep rent prices and taxes high

BMR city is super dangerous but it's filled with superhero and villain fanatics and daredevils who don't give a shit

I'd say it's about average in affluence

SNV is the low end because despite all its relatively good resources the evils keep on destroying everything every other Wednesday

the University keeps having people kidnapped it's a whole thing

[fast anchor]

all the characters are gay and when you play BotC you become gay

[fallow rapids]

i imagine the average SNV city tumblr user be like "guys the witch just flew to my window, knocked my roommate out cold, and stole all my candles :/" witchsighting.png

"what the fuck is happening over there"
"average tuesday, really"

[fast anchor]

:reblog: #can't have shit in ravenswood bluff

[fallow rapids]

yeah so my thoughts on it are:
TB is the place where all the fighting is fake and for the media, so the rent is actually quite high
BMR is super dangerous and that's where all the actual superhero and villain fans are, but all the powered folks actually care about the city
SNV is fuck it we ball

[shut yew]

my analysis

you may not like it

but this is just True™

[fallow rapids]

ah, the poorest of all, the Saint and the Thief

and guy who has the means and knowledge to make explosives

and mass media controller

[shut yew]

you making a good point

[fallow rapids]

I'd drop Butcher, Apprentice, and Harlot down a peg

Apprentice is literally an intern

unpaid prolly

[shut yew]

butcher is a trade

harlot

well

is also a trade

of sorts

prob well paying!

[pallid sierra]

the oldest profession

making tongs

[shut yew]

pit hag is also rich now

[pallid sierra]

(this joke would hav e killed in ancient sumer)

[fallow rapids]

yeahhh about that

[fallow rapids]

this is the conclusion because i'm assuming that the character names just represents their hero theming and not like. socioeconomic status

it would be weird for the superhero Washerwoman to be low income

[pallid sierra]

since when are they superheroes?

[inner gazelle]

Since here, I think.

[uneven field]

never

[uneven field]

I wonder where my homebrew minion the Poor Man fits into this tier list

courtier is definitely rich idk what you're on about

like definitionally courtier is rich, this is a crazy placement

[shut yew]

i forgor what courtier actually means

💀

[uneven field]

they attend a royal court

[shut yew]

yes

i googled it

[shut yew]

holy shit, harrier du bois

[uneven field]

I don't get this reference

[uneven field]

Ravenswood Bluff is a limbo, a place beyond places in a time beyond times, every so often throughout history an individual falls between the gaps of reality and ends up there, doomed by the universal laws of narrative to live out the same cycle of tragedy over and over again

their memories are erased each cycle, they do not know they are trapped there, they do not know that there is not a world beyond Ravenswood Bluff

there are no villains, good and evil are victims alike, and it is not the storyteller's grand design for they too are a cog in the unthinking engine of the story

[modern plume]

Welcome to Touhou- Oh, Ravenswood Bluff.

[uneven field]

the amnesiac and the storyteller have been here the longest, both have managed to achieve some semblance of knowledge over their position and it has broken them in two very different ways

the storyteller got a glimpse of the face of god and was cursed with memory, they do not forget between cycles, they know there is nothing beyond the treeline, and they are passive, because they cannot do anything about it, so they play their part

the amnesiac saw the face of god in its hideous totality, and it has broken them on a level that is ingrained into their soul far beyond the scope of their mind, in a way that cannot be erased

[foggy grotto]

Politician is just Mayor after they sold out and took Super PAC money

[cursive cave]

the base 3 scripts, of course, tell a story about ravenswood bluff (this isnt really a crazy theory). however, id argue that many people mistake what the intent with their chronological order was. as we know the seasons of the scripts go SnV (summer), tb (autumn), bmr (winter).

i believe SnV depicts the peak of ravenswood bluff as a thriving society and the growing corruption within it that ultimately reaches a tipping point with cults calling forth some ancient eldritch powers beyond their comprehension, resulting in the death of the omniprescient storyteller. this aligns with the demon lineup. SnV depicts a thriving, vibrant, and bustling society with luxury , education , and the titular carnival entertainment 🤹 .

post-snv, the town must survive the disarray and havoc these eldrich forces and occult actors brought upon ravenswood bluff. this brings us to TB, with the themes of law and order ( ), class divide, governmental/religious institutions, etc. only the imp remains as the one protodemon, the only demon capable of living on through their ability to starpass to their underlings, while the eldritch horrors of SnV have receded after wreaking their havoc.

finally, bmr depicts the lowest point of ravenswood bluff. law and order has degenerated. there is a total absence of the themes of justice, replaced with rampant crime. religions themes have been replaced with the rough-and-tough tavern night life. the demons have mirrored the town's state of disarray, foregoing the imp's abilities of subterfuge for more chaotic and violent abilities.

[barren sun]

is, literally, a regular human being.
Townsfolk made him the way he is now. He was different, and that wasn't liked. They now get what they deserve.
I can't think of anything crazier lol

[blazing marsh]

All games are actually simulations of Ravenswood Bluff.

The Kazali has it’s own evaluation bar based on what they say and it does go down when they say something cringe among other things

[pastel prism]

where do i even begin

actually are these that crazy?

okay so first the reason why the people of Ravenswood Bluff are so gung-ho about killing people is not because they're bloodlusty witch hunters but because they are really really good at seances and the Professor is also testing ways to revive people so nobody except the Outsiders are really that afraid of death for personal or pain reasons

The good team and the evil team are literally good and evil, even though the townsfolk and especially the outsiders are flawed in their own ways, and the townsfolk treat the outsiders unfairly sometimes (though most of that is in the past and the reason they're still Outsiders is because they understandably haven't moved on), they still all objectively morally good and all of the evil team minus the marionette and lil' monsta are genuinely shitty people (and literal demons)

on that note, i think the Minions are worse than the Demons in that regard
the Demons are literal Demons but the Minions are humans who can choose not to be evil but still are

[pallid sierra]

is what i like to call "the hubris of man"

[pastel prism]

Alchemist-Summoner is interesting

i think the evil team needs something specific in order to be able to summon the Demon, but the Alchemist having the Summoner's ability basically steals it from them

but the Alchemist doesn't really know how to control it

so they can't control who the Demon possesses after the summoning, and if they fail to summon the Demon the powers go haywire and destroy everything

[sinful onyx]

All snv demons are hydro

is vortex

is octopus

has a spring of eternal life

is the outsider

[pallid sierra]

lol

[sinful onyx]

Alternatively is Chinese therefore formed by the soul of genghis khan’s navy soldiers who died in the storms

[pallid sierra]

lol

[modern plume]

Oh yeah, this reminds me-

[sinful onyx]

I mean Fang Gu sounds like a mandarin name that I won’t be surprised to hear
If someone tell me their Chinese name pronounces like Vi Gor Mo Ti S

I’d think they’re Uyghur

[modern plume]

Fang Gu was not named arbitrarily, it's based on an actual Chinese name, "Feng Yu" which depending on specific choice of writing it can mean a mix of "Plentiful/Abundant/Bountiful", "Wind", and "Phoenix" which fits the Fang Gu quite well.

TPI just forgot.

[fallow rapids]

the sound and characters for all of these are like completely different

[modern plume]

https://chinese.yabla.com/chinese-english-pinyin-dictionary.php?define=feng+yu
Completely different? No?

[fallow rapids]

pheonix is 凤 (fèng), wind is 风 (fēng)

oh you're just ignoring tones

[modern plume]

No? You can listen to it there?

[fallow rapids]

i speak chinese

风雨 (fēng yu3) and 丰腴 (fēng yú) are fully different

[modern plume]

Cool!

[sinful onyx]

We don’t know what’s the official tone for fang gu tho

🙃

[modern plume]

So, as a consequence, it's impossible for Fang Gu to be based off those because? Why would the namer's error make it impossible?

[fallow rapids]

i don't really see this etymology being very relevant because pheonix 凤 fèng has no yu to go along with it

that's just like. not a thing

the first two are fine they're vaguely related

[sinful onyx]

i mean I’d rather think it’s based off the 1st one which is wind and rain

Being based off bountiful and rich just doesn’t sound demonish

[pallid sierra]

smoke in dreams

[pallid sierra]

i saw the edit

[sinful onyx]

Yeah

Bc my phone had autocorrect

This is some true level of stupidity going on

[fallow rapids]

the pheonix part is like saying that cathode and cot look similar so they must come from the same place

[sinful onyx]

Now scarlet woman might actually be bountiful and rich…

[fallow rapids]

and to me they're obviously quite different actually what is happening

i mean i don't like the feng argument because that word, ignoring all tone, can mean like 500 different things

[pallid sierra]

fang gu can mean like 500 things

[sinful onyx]

Maybe it’s just bc it “sound like some cool ass Chinese thing”

And bam they slapped the name on it

[modern plume]

Feng Yu alone is a full name on its own, with the character the represents Feng representing 'Phoenix'. As well, as I made clear, the various choices of words can be rooted in those various options, not necessarily all at once.

[pallid sierra]

yes thats the real rasoning, it is known
but were here for wacku theories not the truth

[sinful onyx]

()

[fallow rapids]

isn't feng for pheonix a surname

[modern plume]

Yeah?

[sinful onyx]

Maybe one day we will get a minion called mitimo
Which is just how ||riddle fiend|| pronounces in mandarin but it sounds cool ass

[fallow rapids]

why's it in the first name position

i mean i just think that the fang gu name is just fully "yup this is definitely chinese despite that being a group of 30 languages" because i also don't think fang gu comes from feng yu which means turnip fish

[sinful onyx]

Can’t feng yu also mean wind and rain

Which is probably the closest it can get

[fallow rapids]

yes

风雨

[sinful onyx]

But like no they aren’t quite similar

[fallow rapids]

feng yu → fang gu is already like the largest stretch of all time

that's like saying wreck a nice beach is the same as recognise speech

[sinful onyx]

It’s 67% the same
If you count the space it’s 71%

[modern plume]

I had been surprised at the idea that 'Fang Gu' is completely made up, because I fully knew a Feng Yu and was already aware of the name prior and its meaning.

[fallow rapids]

sob

[modern plume]

So it's more amusing being told that "No, that can't have that meaning". Guess a whole person just didn't exist

[sinful onyx]

Yeah I don’t think fang gu is more based than not

But probably more based than random

[pallid sierra]

(famously similar sounding phrases)

[fallow rapids]

okay wait

[sinful onyx]

I mean maybe in some alternative universe

The demon is called Ni Hao

[pallid sierra]

knee how

[fallow rapids]

仿佛 (fang3 gu3) means antique

and that's just straight up closer

well more precisely "looks antique"

pseudoclassical

[sinful onyx]

My pronunciation of it is slowly transforming into this

[modern plume]

-# Naming a newborn child that sounds amusing.

[sinful onyx]

Can you believe like every time I say this I have an urge to say “knee how ” instead of the correct tone

[low umbra]

I as an Australian don’t understand the difference because accents are weird

[fallow rapids]

i think feng yu → fang gu fully ignoring tones is so mind numbingly killing of all visible relevancy

why is my horse equal to weed now what

yu to gu is exceptionally irrelevant because those vowels are not the same

[modern plume]

But yes, I'm not making any theory regarding the accuracy of the choice of naming scheme on part of the namer, such as tone focus, but rather that the namer does have a specific reference they did have in mind rather than being arbitrarily random and just so happening to match the meaning.

[fast anchor]

did someone say weed

[sinful onyx]

It’s as based as no dashii

[fast anchor]

anyway idk if people have brought this up but Steven Medway himself said that Fang Gu doesn't mean anything

[sinful onyx]

L

[fast anchor]

like, it wasn't named after anything in particular

[modern plume]

That's the point. The question is 'craziest lore', and I'm saying "They did have a meaning, they just forgot"

[fallow rapids]

if it did have a meaning it would be "looks antique" because that's the only thing that even vaguely matches the spelling

[fast anchor]

aaah sorry i haven't backread

also, wasn't that yesterday's prompt?

"vaguely oriental" is kinda 😬 in terms of name origin

[modern plume]

Focusing on tone is, ironically, the more irrelevant part here, since the name convention in spelling to English would lose that entirely. The transference from word combination from a language as vast as Chinese to one like English would naturally have immense overlap, so the presence of other words that match the output for 'Feng Yu" but don't match meaning to 'Fang Gu' isn't really a counter argument, it's just an expected consequence of the transference.

It'd be like saying it's impossible for you to have your own first name because someone else also has that first name

[fallow rapids]

actually ykw, fang gu is actually fan gu 反顾 (fan3 gu4) which means to regret and have second thoughts on something

because that's what happens when i play SNV

you see how easy it is to just pick whatever the fuck i want if we're fully ignoring the correspondences

this one is even closer to the original

[modern plume]

Isn't that evidence in favor of my conclusion then, rather than a counter argument?

[sinful onyx]

Just do vigor flowchart

[modern plume]

I mean, you're just convincing me more anyway, as you're giving other possibilities for the idea that Medway did have an original intention with it, rather than plucking it purely randomly and happening to have a good correspondence

[sinful onyx]

Well yeah but also
I’d be sad with Steven if some of the designs in this game are actually intentional

You know like ||. .||

[fallow rapids]

do you think fhqwhgads has a original etymology just because it looks vaguely similar to flesh fads when you're typing it

[sinful onyx]

At least vortox and vigor are easily based

[fallow rapids]

no! of course not

that's the scope of proof fallacy

[pallid sierra]

yes, but no prompt yet today

[fast anchor]

ic

[sinful onyx]

Fang gu is some random cool ass name
No dashii is a based name with no actual meaning
Vortox is made of a part from each in 2 normal words
Vigormortis is just 2 words

[fallow rapids]

i can pull out like random xiqifalai and put it into my book and it could have a quadrillion meanings if you squint hard enough because that's just how dense chinese phonology is

you could cherrypick meaning from anything

防御 fang2 yu4 means defense

[fallow rapids]

that doesn't mean TPI made named fang gu after defense

why did i reply there

[sinful onyx]

Which shows that the comprehensibility is negatively correlated with strength
Which is actually lore accurate

[modern plume]

Burden of Proof fallacy, you mean?

As well, I have explained why your argument isn't working, because it doesn't counter the argument and instead isn't relevant to the theory. I've already supplied the necessary burden, and pointed out the burden isn't on me to have done the choice of naming or for the choice of naming to be entirely accurate. The theory is that 'it isn't random', and I have supplied a way for Medway to have made the choice, regardless of how linguistically accurate it is.

The burden is on you to prove Medway had no idea about 'Feng Yu' as a name if you genuinely and sincerely believe the theory is impossible, but you're now arguing simultaneously a requirement for in-depth knowledge of the name 'Feng Yu'... while also pointing to Medway's ignorance, a contradictory set of propositions.

[fallow rapids]

this is just the Sagan Standard, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence

[sinful onyx]

-# can we agree on this

[fallow rapids]

linking two things that are fully unrelated just because they sound similar to your western ear is not extraordinary evidence against the first hand account of steven saying fang gu doesn't mean anything

[modern plume]

What extraordinary claim did I make?

"Medway learned of the name Feng Yu. He based Fang Gu off it. He forgot he did this."

I pointed to the evidence. You even pointed to more evidence where the name does fit as well as the sounds yourself. Your claim, by contrast, requires Medway both to be ignorant of it and also hyper knowledgable on it.

[fallow rapids]

the things i brought up are definitely not evidence

fang gu has absolutely nothing to do with regret

[modern plume]

... Okay, if you insist.
I'll take the win then.

If you have no evidence, then, guess we're done

[fallow rapids]

the issue with the evidence you're providing is that it would work with literally every other combination of vaguely chinese spelling

evidence that can be brought up without proof can be dismissed without proof

pointing out that two things are vaguely similar just completely dismisses the fact that steven could've literally chosen anything else and it would still be a valid argument because there are like 8000 chinese names

[modern plume]

That's not Hitchens's razor.
This assertion would also be nonsensical. Evidence can not be brought up without proof, it is the proof?

[fallow rapids]

because it's not evidence???

like i can agree that these two things sound similar but the word for turnip also sounds similar

there's a million things that sound similar

why does steven specifically name Fang Gu after that one name when i am pretty sure it isn't even that common

[modern plume]

It appears you've either lost understanding of what you and I are discussing, or are clinging. You're bringing up evidential argument claims and general argument topics like Hitchen's Razor without understanding them.

I don't see any value going further.

[fallow rapids]

most chinese americans don't use chinese names either

i think it is fundamentally unlikely for such a specific connection to take place

[modern plume]

I say we can drop the conversation here as well, because additionally now I'm insulted as well being told my friend apparently did not exist.

[fallow rapids]

and also just generally mean to whoever steven subconsciously named the demon after

i said most

just because you have a friend with a vaguely similar name to Fang Gu doesn't mean steven has ever been in the samw situation

[cursive cave]

"vaguely oriental" bravo steven medway youve done it again 🔥

[fallow rapids]

the situations are as similar as they are dissimilar and i don't see the point in fang gu jumping to the conclusion that Steven has also seen the name and drawn the connection to it and changed the vowels around

i feel like if that was the case steven would have fully avoided doing the name that way in the first place

i am confident his memory is better than that

plus yeah it just seems like a full distraction and ad hoc justification to naming fang gu as something "vaguely oriental"

the evidence you've provided isn't very strong whatsoever as it is vague connections that are easily cherry picked at best and i do not like the implications that you can just deny the vaguely ignorant stuff steven has said in the past and is now in the game

it's less connection and more availability heuristic

i don't think "Yeah, Steven said Fang Gu is named after nothing in particular, but what if... he didn't?" is a valid argument at all

that's just fully ignoring the textual, first-hand source evidence for wishful thinking

unless you explicitly bring up some old chat post that says to the contrary there's no reason to not believe the original source just because you know a guy whose name is vaguely similar

[finite wigeon]

[3/17] -- Choose any character and then a good character.

|| How does the 1st bluff as the 2nd? ||

[modern plume]

Before I click on that: Are the two characters required to be different, or can I pick the same good character twice?

[finite wigeon]

Uhh if they're the same it'd probably be fairly boring

[modern plume]

||Declaring "MY FATHER IS DEAD" and somehow being crowned before anyone notices he's still just asleep.||
||In an actual game? They don't... Demon knows who the King is, and Princess really prefers people know they are the Princess Day 1.||

[fallow rapids]

it's time to check it off your secret thing bingo card

yup, it's Coda sharing Science Yuri

uhhh

||Devil's Advocate steals Pacifist's hoodies and goes out on a walk declaring themselves as legally Pacifist||

||it fools no one but somehow it's bulletproof legally||

[sinful onyx]

Default

[supple dirge]

||Make a player 2 seats away from you mad as the tea lady then push to execute the player between both of you||

[barren sun]

||He doesn't, sometimes it's actually the other way around.||

[keen crescent]

||Not very well||

[pallid sierra]

||Oh this would be so fun||

[supple dirge]

[3/18] You're a click bait writer dropped into Ravenswood bluff, what articles would you write?

[tough silo]

Why we should always execute the Saint

[pseudo fulcrum]

The front page every single day is:
"[NAME] DIES, STARPASS SUSPECTED"

[fallow rapids]

TOWN MEMBER SAVED FROM EXECUTION, DEVIL’S ADVOCATE SUSPECTED TO BE IN PLAY

[versed junco]

WHO ELECTED THIS GUY: THE MYTH OF MAYOR WINS

[uneven field]

"I may be a cannibal, but you're mean, and that's worse"

[uneven field]

we're going for again, if it aint broke don't fix it

uhhh

easily

[uneven field]

No Dashii? No Problem: Why you should ALWAYS execute your neighbours (Opinion)

Are our Politicians failing us, or are YOU failing your Politicians? (Opinion)

Local Virgin doesn't listen to Cass; DIES

- Audrey Caspian "Cass" Spiteri, columnist for the Ravenswood Mail

[acoustic spade]

“Is your grandmother still alive? Maybe she’s not what she seems…”

[supple dirge]

'Why killing people is good actually' - opinion by local townsfolk

[versed junco]

"3 for 3", "starpass", "GSoE": How To Understand The Youth's Lingo

[lost thistle]

“We explored The Tomb… you won’t BELIEVE what we found?!”

[fiery sleet]

"This Cow Turned Me EVIL?! An Insider's Perspective"

[foggy grotto]

the newspaper is definitely called “The Town Crier”

[dusty thistle]

"You're evil: An in-depth guide on why I want to kill you, dear reader."

"SLAYER DEFEATS DEMON"

"KING TO CITY: DROP DEAD"

[cursive cave]

def not ran from the shadows by the Fearmonger

[dusty thistle]

Hmm, what are some other famous headlines I could parody?

[valid garden]

"CANNIBAL ATE MY GRANDMOTHER!"

[dusty thistle]

"So What the Hell Happens Now?"

Real headline btw.

[supple dirge]

'The Sailor was executed, you won't believe what happened next...'

[valid garden]

Parodying: ||Freddie Starr Ate My Hamster||

[dusty thistle]

"Holy shit! Vampire walks on fucking Mars!"

[dusty thistle]

I am going to use this every time town bungles a mayor win.

[versed junco]

Heartbreaking: Player You Thought Was The Demon Just Made A Great Point

[barren sun]

" Verbena gone wrong at town after executing local Baron "

[valid garden]

"Demon Might be Using Night to Hide Their Kills"

[dusty thistle]

" 'No Way to Prevent This' Says Only Town Where This Regularly Happens"

[valid garden]

"Mastermind bluffing Professor selling 'resurrections' arrested again, former arrests 2020, 2002, 1980, 1920, 1802"

[dense moat]

Is YOUR neighbors a Legion? 6 tricks to find out why

[valid garden]

"Actually Teensyville also has a similar problem" <--- not adressing the point at hand

[versed junco]

Online Safety: Tips To Keep Your Personal Data Safe From Kazalis

[valid garden]

"Murders inside the Rue Morgue? Фальшивые новости!"

[uneven field]

they're eating the lycanthropes, they're eating the grandmothers

[versed junco]

[3/19] The clickbait writer is back, and they're writing reviews now. Write a review of a Ravenswood Bluff/Ravenswood Bluff adjacent establishment (the Innkeeper's inn, the Chef's bakery, the Yaggababble's Yaggabase, etc.)

[pallid sierra]

3/10
He ruined the illusion by solving a murder in the middle of his set.
Would not attend again

[barren sun]

7/10
Makes me feel intimidated. I think he has a good heart, but he smashed the f*ck out of the local Librarian the other day.

[fiery sleet]

2/10
I tried to interview them but all they said was "I am the Goblin" and "Deez nuts lmao" 50 times

[uneven field]

I think people misunderstood this question

[pallid sierra]

I understood the question perfectly fine, but I set a bad example

[uneven field]

Ravenswood Smithy: 2/5
Shabby material quality, craftsmanship leaves much to be desired. The town's smithy's real draw is that, perplexingly, it is the most bustling social setting Ravenswood Bluff has to offer, beating out inns and pubs alike. If you're looking for all the hottest gossip around town, the Ravenswood Smithy is the place to be, but if you're looking for some quality metalworking, maybe just head to Teensyville.

- Audrey Caspian "Cass" Spiteri, columnist for the Ravenswood Mail

[low umbra]

2/10
They tell everyone that visits them that they are the demon! They never do anything else and it’s awful stuff, they should never be in business
(turns out that there were a whole bunch of explosives in their camp and they were actually the )