secret thing

[barren sun]

IM F*CKING CRYING OUT LOUD XD

Do you want some flowers?
(Yeah I know it's the flavour text but I do genuinely believe they'd say something like that)

Id say that's more like Dr. Facilier or Jafar
(Lady Tremain enjoyer here)

And that's the point were I stop reading the conversation

I like to think about it as a pseudo scripted RPG than a complex strategy game
That's until I play Wedding Bells and get to do my victory dance

[low umbra]

The Po and Denji from Chainsaw Man kind of overlap in my head tbh

[dusty thistle]

[2/28] What is your worst flaw as a scriptwriter?

For me, I think it's probably my confirmation bias. A lot of times I'll get suggestions from a large portion of the Scriptwriter's Guild but ignore it because I don't like the idea initially. And then listen to the one person who disagrees over pretty much everyone who agrees.

[fiery sleet]

I don't put enough jank (aka any jank) onto my scripts. I always want them to be very smooth and cohesive, but sometimes that isn't the right call and I'm never confident enough to embrace the weirdness instead of trying to sand off the rough edges.

[karmic rose]

most of my script drafts end up being worse versions of other scripts

[modern plume]

Boredom.
I feel little interest in making a standard script, something that builds off the work of others or fits nicely within the current standards; I feel obliged to build something new every time, explore the unexplored, see what new mechanics arise from unique interactions.

This does result eventually in 'running out of steam', as I pluck a lot of ideas and make them, but eventually run out.

[pallid sierra]

Too much jank

[tough silo]

I do feel that we are close to touching the sky in script originality while remaining original and good

But i do think there enough interesting stuff to be made especially in the BMR likes deparment

[junior knot]

there just arent enough bmrlike official characters if im being honest

[tough silo]

Lycanthrope Acrobat and Harpy cry in unison

[dry sluice]

I've been unwilling to put homebrew characters on scripts. I think my scripts that "just need 2 more townsfolk" would be better served with 2 inoffensive homebrews, rather than the 12th and 13th best official townsfolk

[tough silo]

I do wish there were more popular hybrid scripts out there with character from bhamber luis hystrex etc

We do need those

[valid garden]

Hiii I make those

I should do that then

My issue is I put klutz everywhere

[fiery sleet]

klutz is awesome tho

[tough silo]

Klutz is awesome when evils can die at night

[valid garden]

Actually my real issue is I probably value my own homebrews too highly

[tough silo]

Your homebrews are really cool tooo!

Being featured in the brewbuffet for me seems like your work is 100% valid

[heavy sundial]

I don't like making too many scripts, so I have a tendency to shove characters/interactions I want to build onto existing scripts they don't fit on

[valid garden]

Brewbuffet? 👀

[pallid sierra]

-# ||for now||

[fiery sleet]

vigormortis my beloved

vigorkill cere who claims klutz is like the sicilian defense of SnV

[tough silo]

Yeah dont you remenber? Your characters are in the brewbuffet

Its a homebrews only Whalebuffet

[valid garden]

I've never heard of Brewbuffet I don't think

[tough silo]

Search it, some of your characters are there

https://discord.com/channels/569683781800296501/1400149211743256638

@valid garden

[low umbra]

I’m super uncomfortable making a script that is similar to an existing one

I also have an overwhelming need for any script I run or make to be polished and jank-less. I often use homebrew rules to reduce the jank of a script (or use them to make the core idea for the sake of uniqueness)

I want to explore the world of homebrew characters to finish off incomplete scripts that I find unique but never knew where to start

[sinful onyx]

I hate weak characters in general

[barren sun]

I don't have the strength to include characters I dislike // take out characters I love

[barren sun]

So executing the Pukka Day 1 as the Mastermind is the King's Gambit right?

[fiery sleet]

basically yeah

[sinful onyx]

Pukka self poisoning n1 is bongcloud

[sinful onyx]

Vigor kill minion

Minion claim klutz

Town goes ugh [the demon player] is sus don’t pick them

Minion picks them

Town now sus minion too

[fiery sleet]

Yeah you never pick your demon there

maybe another minion idk

I like to just let town tell me who to choose because it reads more good

[hollow oasis]

Perfectionism

Youve seen me talk about my legion script

[dense moat]

laziness

i tend to just get hung up on creating things: i can sometimes find single good interactions, but im not super good at thinking of scripts holistically

[fallow rapids]

clinging onto sweeping bad ideas

holistically my scripts end up being more... unpolished or nonsensical compared to long standing scripts people actually play, despite being perfectly balanced and stuff.

the premises my scripts usually start off with are just mostly ridiculous

i love exploring bad ideas but that does mean that getting playtests can be very daunting

and i end up with an incomprehensible list of hits and misses

-# i'm evil Quilava

[warm gate]

this is less a scriptbuilding flaw and more of a mentality thing, but I tend to approach a lot of my scriptbuilding with a very specific desire to eventually create something widely-known
and like thankfully that doesn't stop me from pursuing weird ideas/core character combos but it definitely isn't the healthiest mindset to have either

[finite wigeon]

I'm a little fast to snip out weirdness, and the weirdness in a script is often it's life

[acoustic chasm]

I struggle balancing misinformation and information on SnV likes

[low umbra]

I think I just make scripts that aren’t SNV-likes and are kind of just a different flavour of direct info (that also isn’t TB either)

[fallow rapids]

-# (you guys are balancing misinfo and info on SNV likes?)

-# (SNV doesn’t even do that!)

[dusty thistle]

I'm a little bit surprised we haven't had much overlap at this point.

[versed junco]

I do everything the people above do

[acoustic chasm]

Well

I tend to give good too much information

[uneven field]

I'm simply too based

serious answer, I usually have an idea that I really really want to make work, but it just doesn't

the problem is that the script is based on that core idea, so I can't and won't compromise that much on it, so the end product is at best quite janky

my scripts are fun and interesting, but they don't usually tend to be balanced

I have multiple homebrew scripts in the works, and they are taking so so long to even develop to the point of the playtesting phase because what I have so far is very far from being cohesive enough to run a game with

I'm thinking of just doing individual character demo scripts at this point so I can playtest my characters outside of the script they're meant to be on

Boats is not alpha-testable yet, I cannot in good conscience showcase Boats

the other one is even worse...

[uneven field]

I fucking love weak characters

one of my Boats character concepts is a fuckass YSK called the Bindlestiff that is like comically -core, and I refuse to scrap it

I've had to rework it so much to even make it slightly useful, the ability text is so complicated and it's still not powerful at all after the rework

Bindlestiff is my little guy, my blorbo, my scrungly little fuck

[supple dirge]

[3/1] What makes your favorite custom script your favorite?

[hollow oasis]

please showcase boats

I need this

[uneven field]

narcissism

[hollow oasis]

Engineer but good

[uneven field]

I've shown off some individual character ability texts before that I think pass certain quality checks, but much of it is still very private

[hollow oasis]

aw

[uneven field]

I'll tease though

aforementioned fuckass Bindlestiff:

Bindlestiff (Townsfolk): You start knowing as many players as there are Minions and Demons, at most 1 of which may be evil.

[hollow oasis]

hm.

[fallow rapids]

Noble 2

[uneven field]

it's noble who sees a recluse

[fallow rapids]

i like it actually

it's definitely better than Shug

it's not that weak

[uneven field]

oh it fucking used to be

[hollow oasis]

I mean it’s “YSK an incorrect alsaahir guess” but then is like, a normal TF in 3 minion

[uneven field]

one of my biggest problems with character creation is balancing them for different player counts

[hollow oasis]

True…

[uneven field]

bindlestiff was originally ysk 2 players at most one of which may be evil

which is comically weak

[hollow oasis]

Maybe bump it up to 4?

could be a smidge crazy tho

[uneven field]

but bizarrely strong at very low counts

[hollow oasis]

Like, 5p?

[uneven field]

yes, like 5

[hollow oasis]

ah

I mean

Teensies aren’t real. It’s fine

[uneven field]

boats is a 7p minimum script to be clear, but I want my homebrew characters to theoretically work as individual characters

[hollow oasis]

My basis for this is “knight”

[fallow rapids]

i had a feeling yeah

[uneven field]

so I experimented with the sliding scale

bindlestiff now learns as many pings as there are standard evil characters at the beginning of the game

[hollow oasis]

Also noble in 5p is “YSK an evil” or 2 pairs of “1 of these 2 people is evil”

[fallow rapids]

isn't it also an LoT finder? lmao

[uneven field]

relatively fixing the issue of its power swinging wildly based on player count

[hollow oasis]

It still kinda does

[uneven field]

it would be jinxed with LoT and legion

[fallow rapids]

the Minions and Demons scale makes it like what, 2 players in 7-9. which is pretty weak. it's bad noble in 10-12, and on par in 12+

but it's still kinda better than Shugenja

[hollow oasis]

I do actually think 4 people works(across all player counts)

[uneven field]

this is the shortest way I could write "YSK 2 players at 5-9, 3 at 10-12, and 4 at 13-15"

[fallow rapids]

4 is perfectly fine

[hollow oasis]

For 7p you get an optimal Artist question at best

[uneven field]

it definitely needs jinxes for the character count fucker demons, it is not intended to solve those instantly lol

[hollow oasis]

(Or you can give them themselves)

[hollow oasis]

but what if it did?

[fallow rapids]

just have poison

[hollow oasis]

Hey! Vsauce. Micheal Here.

[fallow rapids]

also it actually just doesn't work in Legion so it's needed

[hollow oasis]

Does your homebrew work?

[hollow oasis]

Well

“No”

But uh

Ehhhhhhhhh

[uneven field]

I don't think Bindlestiff has a job, on account of being a bindlestiff

[fallow rapids]

... John, Amy, Lewis, and No No No No No No No No No?

[hollow oasis]

What’s a bindlestiff

[hollow oasis]

No just “No.”

as in no valid info

[fallow rapids]

yeah just no is fine

[hollow oasis]

doesn’t need a jinx

It’s just a bad info suite.

[fallow rapids]

it's like, Minstrel jinx bad interaction by default

[hollow oasis]

Bundle of useless people?

[uneven field]

it typically means someone that carries around a bindle

[hollow oasis]

Or bundle of uselessness person

[hollow oasis]

Oh

[uneven field]

you're overthinking it lol, this is what is for

anyways here's a boats townsfolk I think is actually polished

Canvasser (Townsfolk): Each day but your 1st, you may visit the Storyteller to learn 2 true statements for every sequential day you haven't visited the Storyteller.

[fallow rapids]

you don't need but the first, just give them no info if they visit you D1

[uneven field]

this is fair

just wanted it to be clearer

[warped urchin]

If I visit the st to clarify a rules question does that mean I don't get info

[fallow rapids]

the answer is Obviously not since that's not even what happens with Savant

[warped urchin]

No but Savant doesnt care about sequential days of not visiting

This does

If I visit d1 for a rules question and then go d2

Do I get info

On d2

[fallow rapids]

seems like something you put in the almanac

[uneven field]

okay the difficulty here is that there's another townsfolk on script that specifically gets information on the last player to visit the storyteller, so rules as cool it counts as visiting the ST for other people's abilities but not for yourself

[fallow rapids]

generally in the rules it says that st questions don't count for anything

[hollow oasis]

Can you not do Each day*

[fallow rapids]

the asterisk says not on the first night

[hollow oasis]

bruh

[fallow rapids]

Each day (not on the first night)

[hollow oasis]

that annoys me

but what if we just said it did say that tho

[uneven field]

yes it sucks a lot and I groaned while writing this character

why can't it just be "*not the first." TPI whyyy 😭

[uneven field]

they would have to count for something because otherwise the ragpicker has a problem tracking their own information

Ragpicker (Townsfolk): Each day, you may visit the Storyteller to learn a true statement about the last player to visit the Storyteller.

[fallow rapids]

my 1st reaction to that is eugh because it makes a meta over st questions

is asking an ST question “visit” anyway?

[uneven field]

if it's in private

"visiting the storyteller" to my understanding is the livevoice equivalent of *consulting

nothing is stopping you from asking a rules question in public, and this character is meant to encourage people to visit the storyteller for reasons outside of their own abilities

"just visiting for the ragpicker" is a good, and I think healthy meta for boats, you can't read much into people's consults because they could literally just be doing it for the sake of doing it

that said, ragpicker's not one of the ones I usually show people quite readily like canvasser is, so use that to judge how proud I am of it

[junior knot]

what reason would tpi have for limiting the first day is the question

[uneven field]

canvasser, baku, and sycophant are usually the three I'm most willing to show off

[junior knot]

like most of those clarifications typically pop up only when relevant

(see monk day protection thing)

and there isn't particularly anything special about the first day compared to others

As opposed to each night* characters, who do not have information to learn the first night

or killing first night is rough, bc yk the whole ysk doesn't have the chance to not get info

like not having a previous day is relevant for en*

[uneven field]

making it easier for me to make canvasser specifically lol

[junior knot]

sounds like a skill issue ngl

you could make your own symbol

like ^

[hollow oasis]

Simply will it into existence

[junior knot]

and then clarify it on the script

[uneven field]

that is so crazy for one character

[junior knot]

so don't make it only one character

make more characters that utilize it

and have some mechanical reason for not working the first day

but working on all subsequent days

[uneven field]

this sounds like creating a problem to solve a non-problem

canvasser can have slightly long ability text, I think that's fine

[warped urchin]

But what if you make the symbol universal throughout homebrewing

And become a celebrity

And then its so good tpi uses it

And then you are famous

[junior knot]

only with appropriate waivers and stuff id think

[uneven field]

how many canvasser-likes are people going to make to warrant a "†not the first day."

[junior knot]

it doesn't have to be a canvasser-like

just similarly hampered d1

[uneven field]

right, but I think there's very limited applications for that restriction to be imposed

[junior knot]

like an anti-juggler

or a threensiville mayor

[uneven field]

these sound like bad characters

[junior knot]

you didn't specifiy on a good character here

[uneven field]

generally speaking, a character you strictly need to wait until day 2 to be able to use is not incredible design philosophy

which is why there aren't that many of them

[junior knot]

i mean theres also use for ones that happen to deal with like whispers or w/e

[uneven field]

kind of just balloonist

[junior knot]

like on || new world chaos || or whatever

(sorry not familiar enough with it to remember all the names/abilities)

[uneven field]

those wouldn't need a "†not the first day." clause

[junior knot]

why not?

oh wait nvm

figured out what you meant

[uneven field]

it would be more intuitive to express that limitation with different words

I'm just going to start playtesting with character demo scripts I think

aaa I need to make token art

[barren sun]

Greedy Whalebuffet: The 95% chance of playing a character I wanna play + the endless worldbuilding possibilities.
It is Legion until proven otherwise.

[karmic rose]

3/2: What's your personal bagbuilding trick and/or foible?

[cold veldt]

3/3 what’s a foible

[versed junco]

1. a minor weakness or eccentricity in someone's character.

2. Fencing
   the part of a sword blade from the middle to the point.

[cold veldt]

okay thank you, 3/3 retracted

[cold veldt]

so I don’t storytell much but I don’t think I’ve ever considered including a sword blade in my bag

[sinful onyx]

My trick is think less

If you think less players cannot know what you put

[valid garden]

I pass the bag around in a "Random order"

[sinful onyx]

Now, this is for b3

[valid garden]

It's usually aphabetical

[sinful onyx]

If you’re bag building a custom

Maybe think more

But like, think more before choosing the script

Immediately finding 30 bad bags after taking a script is not ideal

[dry sluice]

if it's my group's first time playing a new script, and I want them to like it, then I lean heavy on info. info is fun

[barren sun]

If I'm storytelling in-person (TB), I select the characters at random, add outsiders if Baron, and then balance the YSKs. If it is the first ever game for a significant amount of players, I always put the SW and Drunk, and never the Spy or the Saint (it's a bluff).
If I'm storytelling on-app, I throw a dice to decide the demon player, and if it lands on Zombuul, we all gotta deal with it (I've only ever storytold GWB)

[acoustic chasm]

way too much savant

[finite wigeon]

I always use at least some random Townie pulls. I'll usually adjust my other characters accordingly, but I love my random townies.

And my foible is that I very rarely put madness characters or savant into play

[keen crescent]

Of all the times I've storytold and a mistake was noticed or happened while the bag was going around, over half of the time the "rerack" was the exact same bag, plus or minus maybe a single character. It might even be closer to 2/3s of the times its happened for me.

its a really bad habit, and one I'm trying to break

but like, the heart wants what it wants. and it wants to send the exact same bag around a second time.

[pastel prism]

||ever put a square token in the bag?||

with all seriousness i haven't STed yet so i don't have any real answer yet

[tough silo]

Sometimes this is my trick, but a lot of the time i just try to make the first day be really interesting from the get go

Lots of What if?, + lets storytell as we go.

If ST driven information comes around... It will probably be confirmed because the information i give its really weird

Thats one of my weaknesses thou, that does sound like something arepa would give!

[low umbra]

Randomise characters (including setup effects) and then adjust maybe up to 3 characters for balance/fun

It makes games hard to be meta’ed and still gives me enough room to exert agency and enable interesting interactions

[dusty thistle]

I hit the random button. Surely nothing could possibly go wrong.

[supple dirge]

My trick is I pick characters I want to see in play then put them in play

[fallow rapids]

TB

1. Consider your groups level and add info roles accordingly
   1i. If they're executing Outsiders immediately, keep adding Butler
   1ii. Put the Drunk on the Empath
2. Randomise the bag anyway

BMR

1. Randomise the evil team
2. Consider Outsiders to counter the evil team tempo (Goon is slowdown, Lunatic is net neutral, and Moonchild/Tinker is speedup)
3. Add the Townsfolk accordingly on what you have left, you can actually go much wilder than people think you can on BMR

SNV
1i. Roll up into a ball
1ii. Cry
1iii. Play BMR

[acoustic chasm]

Personally I put magician in the bag

Then I proceed to rerack as I either run it incorrectly or misunderstand a jinx

[valid garden]

For base 0 TB, Baron adds Drunk and Saint

Drunk sees Librarian 0

Always a fun one

[pallid sierra]

Librarian 0 on base 1 is more fun tbh

[dusty thistle]

You want to know who's the recluse? Screw you, you don't get to know who's the recluse.

It's even more fun to do it with invest

[valid garden]

Oh I was assuming the librarian was the Drunk

Yeah that also works

[dusty thistle]

You want to know who the spy is? There is no spy.

[zenith lotus]

librarian 0 in b1 is like, really powerful

[hollow oasis]

[3/3] Forward your first message in this discord, then write a sentence of bullshit analyzing that message for the deep philosophical implications

[warped urchin]

Um my first message has spoilers in it

And idk how to spoiler forwarding on discord

[tough silo]

Im not doing that i think

[hollow oasis]

I'll make it a sentence

[hollow oasis]

hm

[hollow oasis]

Can someone point me to somewhere that will tell me, or just tell me what the ||mole|| does

there "forwarded"

[warped urchin]

Okay now analyse it

[tough silo]

Ohhh man do i need to look at this

[dusty thistle]

I get it. I am man and the ending is God, which we chase in an utterly futile attempt to grasp the divine.

[tough silo]

Its a wall of text already!

[dusty thistle]

Or maybe it's a commentary on life, and the unknowns that occur once we pass on.

[hollow oasis]

See, knowledge is a very important thing in life. But what this user didn't know, is that this would give them the secrets of the Pandemoniverse, the secrets of which many scientists suspect are "Not that interesting" and "It's a normal company" but actually the truth is that it's a front for the Hamburglar.

offtopic but TPI can you confirm

[keen crescent]

really apt that my first ever message in a space where I was an outsider to the culture was about outsiders. Very good symbolism

on another note, what was I doing in #homebrew-characters. I had literally only gotten into the game recently, why the heck did I think I was at all competent enough to be giving advice there???

[hollow oasis]

lmao

[dusty thistle]

This is fun!

[pallid sierra]

Unless you're drunk and the recluse is evil, or you're drunk and the saint and recluse are both good, or you're poisoned

[fiery sleet]

Look at the hubris of this individual

[dusty thistle]

@hollow oasis do yours!

[hollow oasis]

You must understand

The use of "updated" preceding the image that comes before is meaningful.

as it implies, that the script(a combination of characters in the game Blood on the Clocktower) was changed for the better

[dusty thistle]

I just noticed the script isn't even sorted

[keen crescent]

wait not only is it not sorted

its not even sorted in like, the wrong way

like, neither sao nor alphabetical

[sinful onyx]

But the newest version is sorted

[hollow oasis]

However, in fact, the only changes included the addition of clockmaker. This of course, means that the person saying this message does not know what they are doing, providing insight into the correlation of inexperience vs skill.

[keen crescent]

I'd hope it is at this point with how much advice I see nerdguy giving in #custom-script-discussion

[hollow oasis]

Coaches don't play

[dusty thistle]

What's it looking like right now anyway?

[dusty thistle]

Well yes, but they used to.

[hollow oasis]

eh

I don't like it

[keen crescent]

quite an environment for goblin

[sinful onyx]

Coach don't want to play

[hollow oasis]

it looks like this and rn it makes me sad

but you know what

whatever. it's fine.

[dusty thistle]

It's improved!

[sinful onyx]

I won't accept DA and paci existing just for 1 interaction

[hollow oasis]

it's playable

[hollow oasis]

trust me it works

[sinful onyx]

Ik it works

but why do you need to include this

not something better

[hollow oasis]

it's less like actual BMR science and more like prof+shab

[hollow oasis]

lowkey kind of the point of the script

[sinful onyx]

when it doesn't meaningfully exist

what's the point

[hollow oasis]

pacifist legion is the point

realistically

pacifist is pretty cool with the info suite

I'm considering nerfing pacifist to not be on the first nom

but truthfully, even alch DA has been TFy here

[dusty thistle]

Anyway, back to armchair psychology.

[hollow oasis]

literally because it confirmed 1 guy

I think I'll re-add lib

[dusty thistle]

Ah yes. Notice the subtle misspelling of the acronym for "SnV". Such a simple mistake to make in a first timer, once that would herald the many many great things to come.

[foggy grotto]

trick: randomize TB!!!!! also randomize demon type!!!!
foible: uh um uh im scared of savant sometimes

[hollow oasis]

I make the bestest prompts

the bestest, greatest, anyone ever seen

No one makes prompts better than maeh

[dusty thistle]

Professor, I'm confused. Is this philosophy, psych, or art history?

[hollow oasis]

Ok actually I did just add a homebrew rule that improves goblin v alch ET

[hollow oasis]

...

yes

there were budget cuts

this is a community college you see

[tough silo]

@severe moss congrats for making it to finalist of the final-3 con script comp and doing it with an al-had script

Most out of place ping sorry to bother if it did

[hollow oasis]

I am realizing my script has 8 wincons...

[sinful onyx]

which

[hollow oasis]

that's fine

[hollow oasis]

It's voting time

(Alch ET,ET,Alch Goblin,Goblin,(adding Mayor),Saint,Hermit,Vortox)

oh and uh

oh right pukka mayor is ass...

Pukka is the cause of all of my problems right

[zenith lotus]

remove it and add lord of typhon 🙂‍↕️

[hollow oasis]

goblin ET

[zenith lotus]

what could possibly go wrong

[severe moss]

What does this mean

[barren sun]

How the hell do I find that ?

[valid garden]

Search -> from:username -> sort "Oldest"

[barren sun]

This person indeed got the final boss, but is probably still looking for DLC secret endings, such as dying by execution as the Saint without losing the game, or Gambling the demon correctly while sober and healthy without dying.

[pallid sierra]

I was the demon, and ended up winning by total accident
My claim of artist got me in a double claim with the good twin who was cere-mad at the time (didn't want to come out as a twin pair in fear of breaking madness)
They decided to execute one of us, and I had already been nominated as a joke earlier, so the exes the other one and we won

[next vault]

???

[tough silo]

You made it to the finalist with a al-had script, congrats man

[versed junco]

Beautiful. Simplicity in elegance in its finest form. In saying nothing, it says everything. Look at that subtle off-white colouring. The tasteful thickness of it. Oh my God, it even has an asterisk...

[fallow rapids]

This is possibly one of the greatest introductions to the Coda Gold in cer natural habitat. Since the Coda Gold often sends weird or incomprehensible scripts in #custom-script-discussion for the sole purpose of seriously treating bad ideas, it seems best that the first ever message be sharing a bad idea from one of their mates and asking the BOTCu server on how to improve on it.

This is the exact sort of thing that showcases the Coda Gold, since one of their later works will have some passing similarities. https://discord.com/channels/569683781800296501/1471100007766560920

-# (god, this script was so bad to run)

[uneven field]

I was saying hello

[versed junco]

The Choirboy hath surpassed the King

[severe moss]

Must be a different Nick B! I’ve never made that. Thanks though

[digital drum]

Gave +1 Thanks to @tough silo (current: #1800 - 7)

[tough silo]

Ummmm.

Yeah it is a different Nick B

[warped urchin]

Nick B has an evil twin?

[tough silo]

Damn

[tough silo]

Yes

[warped urchin]

[keen crescent]

alphabetical script 🔥

[barren sun]

Very few jinxes.
Needs a Plague doctor for Baron, Goblin and Marionette. And Goon, Magician and Poppy Grower for Kazali. Atheist for Riot.
Also, might as well throw in Hatter for Leviathan and change Imp for Legion.

[supple dirge]

My first reason to come here was to fix something that was broken, showcasing my mindset of always trying to find solutions to problems. Though sometimes to my fault as I can never solve everything and sometimes my own failings eat away at me.

(check out how old the wiki was lol #wiki-irregularities message)

[lost thistle]

interesting

an interesting arrangement of interactions

from this, we can infer that

this script sucked ass actually

[supple dirge]

Average minstrel on custom script moment

[lost thistle]

minstrel lleech lil monsta 😭

[dusty thistle]

[3/5] So there's a rule on this server against NSFW scripts... how exactly does that come to be?

Or rather, what happened that made this rule need to exist?

[warped urchin]

That doesn't really seem like type of question this channel is going for

U know u could just ask that in like any other channel right?

[dusty thistle]

You know what? Yeah. I also don't want to know the answer to that question.

Now that I think about it.

[junior knot]

probably just curses or smthg

[supple dirge]

Someone made Sex and Violence with sex and violence as actual game mechanics /s

[hollow oasis]

[3/4] (SIKE MY TIMEZONE IS FUCKED UP HAHAHA) Give a eulogy to Steven Medway.

[warped urchin]

Idk what a eulogy is so...

I'm gonna write a poem

Ily Steven Medway

Ur the best

[hollow oasis]

A eulogy is a 3-5 minute speech (typically 700-1000 words) delivered at a funeral or memorial service to honor, celebrate, and share memories of the deceased.

According to Google

[warped urchin]

Wtf u want people to type that shit here?

[hollow oasis]

Which is what I meant it to be

[warped urchin]

Spam much

[hollow oasis]

But the walls of text

[warped urchin]

There are dedicated channels for walls of text

[hollow oasis]

Think of the glorious walls of text

[hollow oasis]

Yeah but is it fanfic

Speaking of which I’ve noticed a steep decline in walls of text

[junior knot]

theres not really enough new stuff to delve into

[versed junco]

It is day 2. Steven Medway died last night. Find the demon.

[barren sun]

Thank you so much for inventing this game. I thought WW was peak social deduction, and it turns out it's just social.
Thank you for coming up with trouble brewing, with the introduction of Washerwoman, Librarian, [...] and Imp. Though I'll always hate it's interaction with the SW. Thank you for BMB, featuring the Grandmother [...] the Mastermind, my favourite concept of the game, [...] SnV with the Clockmaker, [...]. Of course, I'll also like to thank you for the custom characters, some of which I love, and some of which I like, very little, but I still like better than "Villagers". I'm of course talking about the Acrobat, [...] and last but not least, the Zealot.
I'll also like to point out that, though not the core of the game, it's an incredible detail that you thought about the existence of Fabled, those being Angel, [...] and also the weirdness of Loric, such as Big Big [...], Zenomancer and those still to come these next weeks.
Thank you for giving me something I had never had before: Joy talking to other human beings.

[digital drum]

Gave +1 Thanks to @hollow oasis (current: #891 - 44)

[barren sun]

Heeeeeeey, was this a trap to boost you in the thank you rankings >:/?

[versed junco]

My favourite script: Bed M Breakfast

[uneven field]

Steven, your game was cool but my main concern is that now that you're gone, we will never be able to know what the fuck possessed you to greenlight a self-removing outsider

[dusty thistle]

Steven was a good man. One whom I never met. Fare thee well, Steven.

[versed junco]

Move some syllables around and that's a haiku right there

[cold veldt]

“Move some syllables
Around and that’s a haiku
Right there” - Gerry J

[versed junco]

There's my guy

[sinful onyx]

Butler is bad

[pallid sierra]

🎵 they put some poison into his wine 🎵

[hollow oasis]

Ok no that is necessary for bluffability

[uneven field]

it is so not

you can get away with bluffing hermit if it's not in play, you can't if it's in play, like every other good character in the game

[pallid sierra]

Yes exactly
But if hermit is the only negative o-mod (imagine TB but with hermit instead of drunk) it can be too obvious that it's not in the game

Only hermit claiming outsider in base 2 makes it obvious that the hermit is real

[uneven field]

only recluse claiming outsider in base 1 makes it obvious that the recluse is real

it's almost like this can be mitigated by evils claiming outsider

[pallid sierra]

Untrue

Because drunk exists

(or in this hypothetical, hermit)

[uneven field]

who said this is tb

[pallid sierra]

(self removing)

[uneven field]

if outsider count being solvable is so much of an issue on your hermit script then id argue that's a larger problem with your script and not a problem with the hermit

make a better script

[pallid sierra]

Maybe, idk, do you have a problem with TB?

[uneven field]

no I love tb

[pallid sierra]

Hermit self removal serves the exact same purpose as drunk being a hidden outsider on tb

[uneven field]

hermit doesn't have a home script, I'm bringing up recluse in a vacuum, not in a trouble brewing context, but if it's easier to bring my point across with another example then

only zealot claiming outsider in base 1 makes it obvious that the zealot is real

[pallid sierra]

Characters don't exist in vacuums

[pallid sierra]

Unless there is negative outsider mod

[uneven field]

that's inherently unfair to this discussion because your defense of hermit is viewing it within a vacuum

[pallid sierra]

Hermit self-removal exists for utility, so that it can work in more situations than it otherwise could

[uneven field]

right, so it's a script side issue, not a character issue

so there's no reason for zealot to be self removing

[uneven field]

so

[pallid sierra]

Ok but here's the thing
Hermit already has negative o-mod

But too much negative o-mod is hard to balance around (hence why the base 3 scripts all have 1 character each for negative and positive o-mod)

So you don't want too much

But if hermit can't self remove, you will need more

[warped urchin]

Tb doesn't have negative?

Unless you are counting drunk as negative

[pallid sierra]

Drunk acts as negative apparent outsider mod

Yes

Which differs from lunatic because the lunatic is designed to eventually find out that it is an outsider

I'm a big fan of how you designs the game, good stuff

[uneven field]

I don't think this is necessarily true

because evil can bluff outsider

if there is any positive outsider mod on the script then evil can bluff hermit, this issue is already solved by it being -0/-1

[pallid sierra]

[3/6] Rename a character, poorly
Ill start: the poisoned

[uneven field]

Derek

[versed junco]

A powerful organ

Jingle-Jangle Fancypants

[finite wigeon]

Better than Goon

[versed junco]

Mind Goblin

[pallid sierra]

whast a mind goblin?

[versed junco]

Mind Goblin The Honorable Judge

IT ALL COMES BACK PEOPLE

[uneven field]

this really is a bad rename because it uses american english

[versed junco]

Listen it's been American since the beginning and I will be damned if I'm not consistent

[fallow rapids]

[REDACTED FOR LEGAL PURPOSES]

[keen crescent]

the framer

multiple
even more

[versed junco]

Sara I Mean Clara I Mean Fuck

[pallid sierra]

Sara I Mean Clara I Mean Fuck

[versed junco]

You can't just un-redact Harlot like that

[next vault]

I didn't say that I wasn't not the Heretic

[fiery sleet]

The Eepy

Professor of Yapanese

[dusty thistle]

The Phantom of the Opera

[fiery sleet]

Sex & Violence

Bad Moon Rising

Trouble Brewer

[dusty thistle]

Vidkun Quisling

[lost thistle]

Ass

Boomboom

Seven

Bitch

Fucker

Al-Hadikhia

Mayonnaise

Wait

Gnomeo and Juliet (2011)

Rerack

Where is this?

Tax Fraud

Food

[fiery sleet]

Zombubu (I'm sorry)

[lost thistle]

[REDACTED]

[hollow oasis]

You can… definitely bluff hermit as a 3rd outsider in base 2

It’s indeed a choice

[barren sun]

Bob

Tinkywinky
Jehova
Elmo

[lost thistle]

Garten of Banban

[fiery sleet]

pop rocks

[junior knot]

wet child

[versed junco]

slaps hood you can fit so many votes in this thing

[dense moat]

Octogenarian

Nerd

[versed junco]

Ó mo Dhia tá an bhean sin maraibh

[low umbra]

should then be called bizard (or bizzard)

[lost thistle]

Eeternity

[lean isle]

Magician
Wizard

[tough silo]

Let you guys remind you that Deviant in Spanish is called Pervert

[junior knot]

occultist 😉

[versed junco]

how does one audibly wink

[zenith lotus]

you say “wink”

[dusty thistle]

"Hey you! Kill that guy!"

[fiery sleet]

:cacklejack: corklejork

[dense moat]

Basic addition

[lost thistle]

Estrogen

[dense moat]

Also estrogen

Ursula

[lost thistle]

Kink

[gentle flare]

lemon demon

[lost thistle]

Vati

[dense moat]

Furry

[severe raven]

Drunk

[dusty thistle]

Hey...

[shut yew]

Missconduct

or Misdemeanor

[pallid sierra]

Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four

[craggy hearth]

no hands

[sinful onyx]

Minions

[pallid sierra]

one really big guy with lots of hands

[lost thistle]

Yobbo

[dry sluice]

Bitcoin

[modern plume]

Stock Trader

[lost thistle]

honestly could just say everything from Lynchdale

[grizzled marsh]

Savant
Pope Pope Pope
The virgin protector
+2, -2, x2

[fallow rapids]

-# Forcefem?

[pallid sierra]

Skinkulus

[shut yew]

Freddy Fazbear

[shut yew]

I ALWAYS CONFUSE THEIR NAMES

[supple dirge]

poo

pooh

[pallid sierra]

Pew

[barren sun]

Poor

[pallid sierra]

P-tang

[acoustic spade]

Pooka

[fiery sleet]

Fucka

[uneven field]

[7/3] I grow bored of these Loric. Invent a new character type, describe what its function is, assign it a colour.

[pallid sierra]

Quaint
Playing a different board game during the night phase
Pink

[fallow rapids]

Stickers

Stickers are additional abilities that any player can gain. They are not playable characters alone. Custom Scripts may additionally call for specific characters to gain a Sticker ability. (Stickers are a mixture of purple and green.)

You wake before everyone else does.

There is one more or one less Outsider in play. [+1 or -1 Outsider]

If a Minion publicly guesses you as your character (once), your team loses.

You may choose to visit the Storyteller to receive your information in the day instead of at night.

[fiery sleet]

Orang
Being orang
Orang

[uneven field]

of varying quality, I see

[fallow rapids]

sometimes i wonder why i even bother...

[uneven field]

I like how one of these is just the sentinel

[fallow rapids]

yeah but like actual solvable since you can put it on a character

[uneven field]

solvable outsider counts? how absurd

[fallow rapids]

i imagine these stickers to be like

just mini versions of existing assets

so like for the first one you can have a tiny lil Wraith on the corner of one of the icons

[tough silo]

https://tenor.com/view/balatro-balatrillion-gif-15724726652389719925

[fallow rapids]

there are no stickers in this gif

[tough silo]

https://tenor.com/view/balatro-balatro-balatrez-jimbo-jimbo-peluche-jimbo-plush-gif-14217571823140229885

[dusty thistle]

So obligatory joke

Thrall (Yellow)
Evil characters who help the good team.

Ex: Harbinger, Externer, Vizier

Obligatory joke finished, I will now make an actually creative one

[fallow rapids]

Evil Twin when CM is sober

[dusty thistle]

Whoah, the bottom is like the girl spinning clockwise/counterclockwise optical illusion.

[dusty thistle]

Phantasm (White)
Phantasms are kinda like spectators but they have the ability to override an ST ruling once per game. The ST is then free to change a different ruling in the interest of game balance.

[valid garden]

Honestly thralls would be neat

I'd go for pink rather than yellow though, only because that's what Luis said he'd use

[barren sun]

Religion / Dogma - Pink Storyteller character
The storyteller describes the difficulty of his bag building style in correlation to the strictness of a Religion

Idk I should sleep more

[versed junco]

It's often recommended

[uneven field]

the storyteller must use he/him pronouns

[pastel prism]

sounds really cool actually

the color should be slate gray/black imo

[junior knot]

Alternates (silver)
A set of traveler like abilities, but significantly quieter and weaker. If a player draws a role they do not enjoy, and have not spent/gained info, they may choose, up to twice per team, to swap with an arbitrary Alternate.

[keen crescent]

Thug (light red (NOT PINK))
basically evil outsiders, characters who start on the evil team, but whose abilities help the good team. Up to one outsider may be replaced by a thug in any setup, and abilities may add additional thugs
(we never said that had to be good ideas, right?)

[fiery sleet]

Gold (gold)
Unlocked by winning 50 times with that character (it's just a cosmetic)

50 is actually pretty absurd for clocktower, now that I'm thinking about it

[keen crescent]

Simplicio (colorless)
For players who think botc is too complicated/confusing bc there are so many different roles, these innovative new characters have no ability. Use as an accessibility tool, to allow people with bad takes on board games to play. Players who have simplicio characters also may not speak or vote when dead, have their role
publicly revealed on death, and may keep their eyes open at night when dead.

[lost thistle]

Outsider 2 (An Even Lighter Blue):
Basically outsider outsiders, they’re outsiders but they’re an outsider to their outsiderness

Outsider 2 tokens are shaped like a rhombic triacontahedron

[pseudo fulcrum]

8/3: Credit to @static veldt for this one

[warped urchin]

I'm gonna go with soldier is the last to get tagged

[pallid sierra]

august 3rd already?

[warped urchin]

8th of March

[junior knot]

po has the cheese touch

[static veldt]

[lost thistle]

the first to get tagged is the Heretic, who does so on purpose

the heretic then proceeds to not tag anybody else

[junior knot]

tags the honorable

[dry sluice]

remember that the type of tag depends on the demon type
is normal tag
is Blob Tag
is Freeze Tag
is Sharks and Minnows

[dense moat]

First: || ||
Last: || ||

[zenith lotus]

first: heretic (they run towards the tagger)
second: athiest (doesnt care about the game lol)
last: balloonist (flew away)

smh, athebyne already said heretic

[dense moat]

Alternatively

First: Drunk (didnt know they were playing)
Last: Lycanthrope (superhumanly fast)

[fiery sleet]

First:
Last:

[junior knot]

Reminder that these are not initial tagger and the winner, they are the first loser and the runner up

[fiery sleet]

mine still works lol

[static veldt]

But question

Who would be the best tagger

Ok so

Where the fuck does this conversation begin...

[uneven field]

Australian game, argument invalid

[pallid sierra]

Boo

[uneven field]

Americans when anything is measured according to globally recognised standard units and formats and not the most arbitrarily decided vibes based metrics ever conceived

[pallid sierra]

Ok but MM/DD/YY imhas objectively the best vibes, because it follows the hierarchy of importance

The month is the most important
Individual days within the month are more interchangeable, so theyre less important

And the year barely ever changes, so it's least important

[next vault]

If the imperial system is so good then why does NASA use metric?

Checkmate american

also dimensional analysis is super intuitive

[versed junco]

You are a madman sir

Days are far more important than months, otherwise how will we know when it's a holiday

Oh it's January, big whoop, I can tell because I'm fecking cold

[pseudo fulcrum]

yeah I'd say this is an arbitrary subjective metric that has been enforced because of the way you're used to seeing the date

[versed junco]

Shhhh this is secret thing

The secret is we don't use logic

[dusty thistle]

Counterpoint, just because one portion of the metric system is better doesn't mean it all is

For example, Fahrenheit is, at least in terms of air temperature, far superior to celsius.

Mainly because actual air temps range from about -15 to 40 Celsius and 0-100 Fahrenheit

Water temperature Celsius is better, obviously.

[fallow rapids]

for chemistry use celsius

temperature? meh. i‘m used to it

baking stuff should be celsius though

[dusty thistle]

Yeah defo use Celsius for chemistry and baking. But weather, the most important thing the average person needs temperature for? Fahrenheit is far better.

That is actually what I do.

I've been trying to learn celsius for weather though to be able to communicate with non-americans.

[dusty thistle]

Celsius is also just Kelvin in a funny hat.

Or is it the other way around?

Kelvin is Celsius in a funny hat.

[fallow rapids]

and Rankine is terrible

[dusty thistle]

I've never even heard of that lol.

[fallow rapids]

you know how Kelvin is Celsius if absolute 0 was actually at 0

Rankine is Fahrenheit if absolute 0 was actually at 0

literally no one uses it

[dusty thistle]

Yeah, that defeats the meteorological purpose of Fahrenheit.

[fiery sleet]

Rankine is funny tho

I mean degrees Rankine, excuse me

[next vault]

Kelvin for science

also Kelvin is easy to compute everyone knows who much 298K is

it's such an iconic temp

[valid garden]

.15

[valid garden]

It's literally not degrees Rankine tho

[dry sluice]

tired: MM-DD-YYYY, DD-MM-YYYY
wired: YYYY-MM-DD
inspired: YMD-YDYM-Y (today is 200-0823-6)

[valid garden]

it's an absolute scale

Same with Kelvin

[fiery sleet]

ascendant: rearrange the date into your social security number

[dusty thistle]

Anyway meters liters and grams are all better

We all agree on that right?

[dry sluice]

haven't you seen the argument that base 10 is arbitrary, and base 6 or 12 would make calculations easier on average?
12 inches in a foot is ahead of its time

[fiery sleet]

why not base 8

[valid garden]

8 is poorly factorable because it's a cube

[fiery sleet]

but then we could count in binary probably

[valid garden]

Binary is base 2?

[dusty thistle]

Yeah, but we don't have 12 fingers.

Base 10 is better for humans specifically.

[dry sluice]

[dusty thistle]

Touché

[fiery sleet]

and 8 is basically 2 but polyamorous

[dusty thistle]

No that's 3

Or more actually

Though I don't think they go over 3 very often.

[fiery sleet]

yeah it's like if 3 2s loved each other and multiplied

[dusty thistle]

Touché again

[fallow rapids]

<- base 3 enjoyer

ternary rocks!

but yeah base 12 and base 6 are better than base 10 but they‘re still not that great

if you really wanted mathematical efficiency you‘d do binary

binary math is kinda hard to look at and not very great for accessibility though

[fiery sleet]

common nonbinary W

[fallow rapids]

ternary rocks!!!! i am a secret third thing!!!!

[valid garden]

Base 12 is great for a very specific thing

[dusty thistle]

ba dum tss

[valid garden]

& that's money

Decimal Day was a step back

We should never have got rid of the shilling

10 pence to the shilling, 20 shillings to the pound

[fallow rapids]

ternary is actually kinda like weird seximal where you realise that halving and doubling are still kinda easy

[dusty thistle]

Here me out, base 11 as a compromise between the base 10 and base 12 camps

[fallow rapids]

funny!

[fallow rapids]

1 -> 2
2 -> 11

[dusty thistle]

Though actually, what is the argument for bae 12?

[fallow rapids]

easiest multiplication table of my life

[fallow rapids]

nice divisors, i guess. 2, 3, 4, 6, 12

ignore how it kinda sucks for a lot of other stuff

[fiery sleet]

12 is the first abundant number

[fallow rapids]

yeah but no one is going to seriously use base 18 or 20

idt abundant numbers make good bases necessarily

[valid garden]

Fractions are easier because you only get recurring decimals with multiples of 5, which crop op less often than multiples of 3

[dusty thistle]

Ok, fair point, but we have 10 fingers.

Which makes it much easier to use normally

[valid garden]

Anyway the factors make it very useful for money because that's something you will be divinding very often

[valid garden]

You can count to 12 on each hand

The babylonians did

[fiery sleet]

New secret thing question: what base system does ravenswood bluff use /hj

[fallow rapids]

look at your 4 fingies

[valid garden]

Count the finger segments using your thumb as a pointer

[dusty thistle]

Yeah, but that's much more tedious.

[valid garden]

It's 2nd nature to me

[dusty thistle]

If 12 is better, why'd it get supplanted during the Islamic golden age is my main question.

[fiery sleet]

You can easily count to 15 on one hand, or 31 if you have a bit of manual dexterity (or a lot more if you have a lot of manual dexterity)

You can also count up to 999 in ASL using only one hand

[dusty thistle]

Actually, it got supplanted during the Roman empire, but anyway.

I feel like if 12 was actually more useful, we'd still be using it over the much more intuitive base 10 given our fingers.

[fiery sleet]

wait til you find out about our time system

[fallow rapids]

i can count up to 59049 with my hands

[dusty thistle]

Base 60

[fiery sleet]

I can count arbitrarily high using my hands by using them to write or type numbers

[valid garden]

Which is just base 12 with added 5

[fallow rapids]

(3^10)

closed fist positions are your 0s, point it at yourself for 1s, spread out are your 2s,

i‘ve used it like, once. it‘s fast but really weird

[barren sun]

Well, it could depend on who's "it", but surely is first one tagged and one of or is last

[fiery sleet]

imp starpasses out when they're about to be tagged

[barren sun]

[warm gate]

this isn't necessarily true bc there's ways to break up the body that allow for different base counting systems
like even with just your fingers, base 12 is a fairly countable system with just your hands bc you can count each of the sections on your fingers using your thumb to keep track of which number you're on, and there are other cultures that extend body counting to use the whole body instead of just assigning each finger a single number

[vague pier]

base 2 with the fingies

[low umbra]

You can also just use your arm as a sixth ‘part’ if you’re using your fingers as units (though this is less commonly suggested from what I know)

[severe raven]

I think 6 is optimal because you can count from 0 to 5 on one hand

The 6x6 multiplication table is almost trivial

[uneven field]

genuinely a crazy statement

[uneven field]

"Fahrenheit is a more convenient scale for practical use" has always been and continues to be a horrible, invalid argument

no, the environment does not neatly fit on an intuitive scale of 0-100 Fahrenheit, because there are different environments

my climate is not your climate

celsius ranges from just as valid at weather calculation and arguably still better as a standard so that its use in cooking translates intuitively to what you already know, to so incredibly drastically superior in environments where you need to know what temperature freezing is so that your pipes don't freeze and burst

[valid garden]

This!

[fallow rapids]

yeah. saying that “0 is like really really cold and 100 is like really really hot” gives me, a hotgoer, no fucking clue what everything else is

this gives me the context that you guys live in air conditioned rooms all the time

must be nice. i‘d die from freezing

[valid garden]

Yeah I mean

I know that temps here range from about -5C to about 30C

Which, to me is a more useful scale than "23F to 86F"

[fallow rapids]

ok no they‘d say 20s to 80s

don’t be silly americans like tens too, that‘s why it‘s weird they don’t switch to metric

[acoustic spade]

Yeah as someone who’s used Celsius all my life, I’ve never had a situation where the temperature scale came close to hindering anyone’s communication about how hot it is in any way

I really struggle to envision an actual real situation where there’s an advantage to either in casual communication

And for sciency things Fahrenheit is just…..no

[valid garden]

0C being freezing is nice if that's something you have to worry about Re: pipes and whatnot

[acoustic spade]

Yeah that’s true, knowing whether it’s close to or just below freezing is useful for estimating general iciness levels too

[pallid sierra]

Yes, both systems are mathematically equally acceptable for human purposes, but the human brain is wired in such a way that the farenheit scale is more pleasing

[uneven field]

no it is not

this is a uniquely Fahrenheit-raised experience

[modern plume]

More pleasing and safer.

[uneven field]

you think the one that you were raised with is the more natural and sensible one

[modern plume]

I'm a hyper obsessed mathematics student and use Celsius if I'm doing calculations and my household used Celsius. I'm someone you'd say was raised with it and should see it as more natural and sensible.

I'd still say Fahrenheit is superior for practical and general usage.

[uneven field]

the temperature scale in my country is basically 10°C-40°C, which is very intuitive

[uneven field]

well I think Celsius is far superior for practical and general usage, so we're at a crossroads

it seems to me like you use Celsius both practically and generally

[modern plume]

Celsius makes water temperatures and relevant effects metric. This is great and all for science and calculations, but not so great if you're an engineer working with it especially when the two systems were designed.

The reason why we call temperature differentials 'degrees' comes from how Farhenheit was designed. The temperature of freezing water is 32 F, while the temperature of boiling water is 212 F. A difference of 180... half of 360.

They were designed for pressure gauges and engineering systems to keep accurate measurements relative to circular gauges, as the nodes could be placed better evenly and accurately around a circle.

[uneven field]

cool, so Fahrenheit has exactly one use

[modern plume]

The use that prevented things from blowing up. 😛

[uneven field]

boomdandy uses Celsius confirmed

like I don't know what to tell you, if you think Fahrenheit being ever so slightly more applicable in one specific niche use case makes it better when Celsius is better at everything else, then... use Fahrenheit I guess

[modern plume]

"one specific niche"
I wouldn't call engineering and the whole non-discrete methods of calculation through analog computation to be 'niche'.

Better at everything else is a bit odd as well; pretty much no one correctly/genuinely uses temperature as a percentage based system (especially since that measure wouldn't make as much sense unless you've in Kelvin, and even then-), a directional system with degrees would be more reasonable for everyday practical usage for understanding temperature and its effects which is best represented radially and thus with Fahrenheit

[versed junco]

Someone please come up with a non-temperature-based question before we lose our minds any more

[barren sun]

[9/3] Which metric system do BOTC characters stand for ?

IM JOKING

[warped urchin]

Heretic uses kelvin

[valid garden]

Which... metric system?

[barren sun]

[9/3] Ravenswood Bluff enters a Civil war! Characters ally into factions based on Home script.

TB Vs BMR Vs SnV Vs None
Who's winning?

[valid garden]

None for sure

Just in sheer numbers

[barren sun]

But they can't rise up cause

[valid garden]

Actually they win because

They just turn it into a FFA

[modern plume]

If 'None' means not on the base three, None probably wins here. Power wise, they have the political and military advantage (General, King), great killing power (Yaggababble, Psychopath, Boomdandy), sheer numbers (Legion, Riot, Village Idiot), and can pretty easily warp the war to their own advantage (Wizard, Heretic, Atheist, Amnesiac)

They also have all the Lorics to their advantage.

[valid garden]

Not to forget the NPCs are litera-

Damn

You beat me to it

[modern plume]

Good luck executing any of them when they have Vizier & Ventriloquist

Heck, their Spymaster is basically better than TB's spymaster. Widow can just poison the Spy.

[pallid sierra]

None isn't winning because they are unorganized

Trouble brewing or BMR are my top contenders

Snv are a bunch of high falutin academics and artists

[modern plume]

As well, 'None' controls all the food.
They have Farmer, Fisherman, Huntsman, Cannibal.

TB has the Chef who can cook the food but isn't producing it.
SnV has Flowergirl at best.
BMR has to rely on Sailor to bring in food.

[valid garden]

What do you think the Ravenkeeper's keeping all the ravens for?

[modern plume]

Ravenkeeper needs an absurd number of ravens if they're relying on them for food-

[valid garden]

I think it's worth noting which team has the best access to medical supplies too

My money is on SnV

With TB in 2nd place

Hmmm other does have the Plague Doctor though

[modern plume]

They have Wizard who can wish for organization, Wraith who can coordinate between all their allies, and Lil'Monsta who gets all the Minions together. Politically and Militarily, they have King and General and Princess and Noble (so the full noble and military higher ups are here), as well as the support of the Politician, the High Priestess, and a Cult Leader.

[valid garden]

Not to mention a Grand Vizier

[valid garden]

And an alchemist!

[modern plume]

Medically and Scientifically, 'None' has Alchemist, Boffin, Plague Doctor, Engineer, Cacklejack...

Oh yeah, food wise, 'None' also has the Gardener

[valid garden]

Oooh true

SnV has a Butcher

And a Barista

[modern plume]

They can serve food

They don't produce it

[valid garden]

Doesn't mean they have food, fair

[modern plume]

They probably have some, but it'll run out

'None' wins if this war lasts longer than a month.

They can just wait everyone else out

[valid garden]

||SnV wins immediately because no-one was executed||

[modern plume]

'None' has Vizier. Someone is being executed every day, and it isn't someone in 'None' (unless they want to like with Goblin)

[valid garden]

SnV has cerenovus

It's looking like Leviathan wins it for Other

[fallow rapids]

None has Vizier, Preacher, and Lil’ Monsta

you know, the combo that leads to unkillable demon

[valid garden]

None also has Damsel

[modern plume]

None also has Huntsman

That Damsel isn't staying a Damsel for long.

Also, None has Widow

[valid garden]

Better find the damsel before- nevermind they also have the djinn

[modern plume]

So the Damsel is just drunk and not helping

[valid garden]

Damsel is poisoned

[pallid sierra]

Poppygrower magician

[fallow rapids]

Damsel poisoned forever yeah

None also has Heretic though

[valid garden]

Oh so Leviathan LOSES it for None

[modern plume]

Magician is on Evil's side here, Poppygrower can be terminated quite quickly to get rid of it

[modern plume]

They also have Hermit

[valid garden]

Oh so we're back to Leviathan winning it for none

[modern plume]

lol, nvm, Hermit is drunk too.

[valid garden]

Oh wait hermit is poisoned because of djinn

[fallow rapids]

that‘s funny

[valid garden]

Nope Leviathan makes None lose

[modern plume]

I have to assume the hate jinxes don't apply, as otherwise None has illegal team members

[valid garden]

Nah hermit removed itself trust

[fallow rapids]

that‘s the Amnesiac

or Bootlegger

[valid garden]

BOOTLEGGER

Off script Terminus wins the game

[modern plume]

Between Wizard, Bootlegger, Amnesiac, and Atheist, I doubt whatever rules of war apply are gonna remain.

'None' wins with sheer unforgivable war crimes

[valid garden]

The Whale from Whalebucket wins

[modern plume]

'None' clearly has all the people willing to push for horrible war crimes too.
Goblin, Fearmonger, Psychopath, Politician, Zealot...

This isn't a question of will 'None' win.
It's a question of who survives with their soul intact.

[pallid sierra]

Hermit

[modern plume]

Poisoned because of Widow, Damsel, & Djinn

[pallid sierra]

No

The damsel ability is poisoned, no the whole hermit

[modern plume]

If that's the case, then the Hermit cancels out the Heretic abilities

Weirdly, this Hermit will want to immediately self terminate via nominating self and dying via Golem?
Activate Plague Doctor for another Minion ability
Activate Hatter to allow resets of abilities like Wizard and maybe Boffin

[dusty thistle]

Actually, believe it or not, it roughly does. It doesn't mean that every environment will always go between 0-100, what it means is that, barring the extreme extremes, cold areas will get about as low as 0 without going under and hot areas will get about as high as 100 without going over. The scale is much more intuitive, for the same reason people argue that Celsius is more intuitive.

Where I live the range is not 0-100, but what happens is it is far easier to compare areas based on relative temperature since the ranges are so much broader.

This also means it's twice as precise in terms of air temperature.

Celsius is fine in terms of comparing weather temperatures, I never said it wasn't. But it's still worse than Fahrenheit in this regard.

[barren sun]

Hermit and Heretic cancel each other out, but still has Damsel even if Grimpeekers
Leviathan is dealt with Spy and Slayer, and also SW takes over, who's Leviathan now
Zombuul doesn't need food, Shabaloth goes and empties enemy supplies, Innkeeper got loads of cheese in the basement, BMR is ready for a long war. Pukka is the only demon waking N1 early bird gets the worm. Po will go out to the battelfield and massacre everyone like a kid playing with Legos. They also got an Assassin to get rid of Lleech a DA and the MASTERMIND!!! Also, since BMR townsfolk won't be competing against BMR demons, they have sole control over death and live over everyone else.
SnV has Vortox so lots of other Townsfolk will be almost useless and must be fed every day. Fang Gu will get one enemy Outsider on SnV party and Vigormortis will start killing enemy Minions amd seal their loyalty to their new master. Also, eh, Pit-Hag can make a bunch of Recluses, I guess.
I'm full BMR

Oh, and, Fearmonger can't do shit with the Bishop

[fiery sleet]

do we have a question today?

[barren sun]

.

[fiery sleet]

none wins bc most players are legion

[barren sun]

They can't rise up though, and Organ Grinder will be a headache to them

Actually hold up, imagine Whalebucket, but instead of Good Vs Evil, it's last Script standing wins

Like, 20 players, 4 teams of 5: 1 Demon, 1 Minion, 2 Townsfolk and 1 Outsider try and kill the other teams. There's no Red and Blue, there's Red, Yellow, Violet and Green

[modern plume]

You could probably do that in an Experimental game

[fiery sleet]

the green team is secretly 5 legion

[barren sun]

Imagine final 3 with a Golem a Vortox and a Mayor, but the Vortox doesn't know that the Mayor is actually the Mayor
No one is executed, no one dies, TB wins!

[modern plume]

Team Trouble Brewers
Team Secty and Violet
Team Moon Risers (Badly)
(Not sure a name for the Experimental team)

[barren sun]

Characters like Klutz and Vizier are changed so instead of "evil" or "good" is "an opposing team"

[fiery sleet]

Team Mental (of the Experi variety)

[uneven field]

everyone says the NPCs are all on team Experimental, but S&V is unplayable without a sentinel and a fibbin so I think we should be fair and draft those two to them

they still lose

I'm not judging these based on ability text because that's boring, I'm judging it based on vibes

separating them based on the heavy hitters

TB has: slayer, soldier, poisoner, spy, imp, gunslinger, monk (don't fuck with monks)

BMR has a lot of mid-hitters that aren't quite military standard but can still put up a good fight

[modern plume]

Pretty sure TB's Monk is a practioner of Christian Monasticism, rather than a D&D Monk.

[uneven field]

they also have the deadliest demon

[uneven field]

dude have you seen monks

[modern plume]

"Do you have the slightest idea how little that narrows it down"

[valid garden]

Yep

[uneven field]

S&V has a bunch of nerds and twinks

[valid garden]

Me when the Snake Charmer chucks a Cobra at me

[uneven field]

the only thing they have going for them is the butcher bone collector wombo combo, S&V is getting bodied immediately even with sentinel fibbin

[valid garden]

Yeah but to the Fang Gu "Your walls and your weapons are but smoke in dreams."

[uneven field]

theatre kid

nerds and twinks, tir

Experimental obviously wins, it's unfair, they have more heavy hitters than the base scripts have characters total

[modern plume]

Why are you repeating yourself? /j

[fallow rapids]

hey, i‘m not a twink

[uneven field]

imagine you pull up to the team deathmatch and the squad pulls up on you like

that's not even all of the big ones

is a D&D party

we still have and many demons left over

[fiery sleet]

Nah, sentinel on snv is pretty cringe

And fibbin is only necessary in longtext due to the amount of time you have to solve

[fiery sleet]

is THE D&D party

[uneven field]

S&V is pretty cringe

sentinel is a bandaid

[fiery sleet]

SnV works quite well in my group, idk what to tell you 🤷

[modern plume]

Gunslinger seems misplaced, since Gunslinger is a TB Traveller and is on team TB rather than team Experimental

[uneven field]

gangster, meant gangster

[modern plume]

Ah, the Rogue

Or wait

Are they a Barbarian?

Nah, Barbarian wouldn't ask for permission

-# Neither would rogue-

[uneven field]

gangster is a rogue

[modern plume]

Huntsman and Bounty Hunter are Rangers then?

[uneven field]

there might be some level of multiclassing going on

[modern plume]

If they're accepting Evil party members, they could have the Wizard who'd be... a Wizard

[uneven field]

wizard is the bbeg

[modern plume]

They should have invited Cult Leader. Warlocks are pretty great.

[uneven field]

there are a lot of viable D&D parties

[modern plume]

Our next question should be "Make a D&D party out of BotC characters"

[uneven field]

surely this has been done

make a Deadlands party out of BotC characters

[modern plume]

This party is concerning. I love it

[uneven field]

you simply must play deadlands

it's wild west cosmic horror

[uneven field]

the other characters you could use here are like

maybe

[fiery sleet]

[uneven field]

bard bard monk ranger

[fiery sleet]

specifically horny bard (minstrel) and normal bard (fool)

[modern plume]

Experimental group got plenty of characters for D&D parties.

Acrobat (Monk), Alchemist (Artificer), Bounty Hunter (Ranger), Choirboy (Bard), Cult Leader (Warlock), Engineer (Artificer), General (Fighter), High Priestess (Cleric/Paladin), Huntsman (Ranger), Knight (Fighter), Lycanthrope (Barbarian/Druid), Magician (Wizard), Pixie (Druid), Preacher (Cleric), Shugenja (Cleric)

[uneven field]

minstrel is not horny bard

[fiery sleet]

they just give off those vibes to me idk

[fiery sleet]

also works as a paladin

[uneven field]

weirdly is a sorcerer

[fiery sleet]

how so?

I'd put them as warlock if anything

[uneven field]

actually is a sorlock

[fiery sleet]

cuz they rely on the ST to grant their wish

[uneven field]

yeah

[uneven field]

yeah

[modern plume]

Warlock can't learn Wish inherently. (Maybe with a specific subclass though)

Right, Genie patron

[uneven field]

this is why they're a sorlock

ST patronage seems more divine to me than just a warlock patron, and the wizard seems to have it by birthright

[barren sun]

That's actually the Drunk

[barren sun]

I'm actually making this shit

Bootlegger Rules:
All released characters are on the script and the teams, instead of Good and Evil, are 2, 3 or all 4 of: TB, BMR, S&V and None.
Fabled and Loric might not be in play, but will favour the None team.
Travelers aren't announced, but their abilities work as normal.
Minion and Demo info. steps are skipped.
Characters with alignment and/or game ending condition abilities are adjusted, as well as other particular characters (Scarlet Woman, Poppy Grower, Magician, Kazali, Legion and probably more I can't come up with rn)
If only 2 players live, and 1 of them is a Demon, that Demon's team wins. If both are Demons, Fiddler enters play. If only 1 player lives, their team wins (Characters like Amnesiac, Mastermind or Zombuul override this)
Base count is 1 Demon, and any Minion/Traveller/Townsfolk per team. If player count isn't a multiple of the number of teams, Outsiders are added arbitrarily.

Im thinking "Civil War" or "The Great Raven War" as title

[junior knot]

Base 0, base 1, or base 2
Aka 7/10/13, 8/11/14, 9/12/15

[fallow rapids]

naturals modulo 3 is not a great base

[lucid crag]

3/10: The ST always dies n1, what botc role is the ST for the demon to hate them that much?

[junior knot]

they jump to the player who pulls the token

or depending on token type

[fiery sleet]

They're the Storyteller, of course:

Storyteller (Townsfolk)

On the dawn of the 1st day, good wins.

[lucid crag]

damn demon misplayed

there's a heretic

[junior knot]

no they didn't

theres a second

[lucid crag]

who the heck put heretic on a pope script

[warped urchin]

No it was a philo who went hermit heretic tinker and exploded n1

[uneven field]

barrow fog

[barren sun]

🦀

[tough silo]

3/10 Extra Secret:

Name a Script that is/may be thematic to the hit anime and manga Chainsaw Man

[pallid sierra]

Anything with marionette

[fiery sleet]

slayer but with a chainsaw

[tough silo]

Why?

[pallid sierra]

This wasn't part of the question so I don't need to answer it

[tough silo]

(i did this question because later im going to st in my group and they are destroyed after seeing the new chapter of chainsaw man)

[pallid sierra]

(no spoilers please for the love of gos)

[tough silo]

(and i want to st something almost related)

[tough silo]

Okey.

[fiery sleet]

uhh spoilers... there's a man and he has a chainsaw. And there's a chainsaw dog or something idk

(I have never watched (read? idk) chainsaw man)

[fiery sleet]

late night drive by

[tough silo]

Apart that. that man is the most miserable human being yeah.

I figure China Shop its somewhat related to Chainsawman?

Anything with amnesiac could theorically count too

Because chainsawman has the power to delete stuff from existing LITERALLY

[fiery sleet]

za hando

Chainsaw Man (Demon)

Each night*, choose a player: they die and can no longer speak, leave their seat, or vote

[tough silo]

Yeah but chainsawman remenbers stuff he ate thou and can regurgitate stuff too.

Like a shabaloth!

Yeahhhh.

[fiery sleet]

run bmr then

[tough silo]

Yeaaaah

Thats thematic enough honestly