secret thing

[junior knot]

x : The lleech does not wake if the exorcist chooses the host

while youd think it would work if the boom happens on f4->f3, the boom still died today

[keen crescent]

||bro is never waking ever again||

[dusty thistle]

I just realized, this jinx is actually good

[junior knot]

i cant think of one, but someone make one for mez/poli

i feel like theres something there, its just not coming to me

[keen crescent]

/ x if the kazali picks the [king/damsel], the [cb/huntsman] becomes the [king/damsel]

[junior knot]

(specifically with soi in mind)

[dusty thistle]

x The politician does not turn evil if they say the mez word.

Evil politician problem solved!

[karmic rose]

sorry, all that's coming to mind is that a Mez-turned poli is contractually obligated to do the funniest thing ever or face a brick drop

[junior knot]

its more on the soi thing of a mez blocking a poli turn at the end

is where i was thinking

[keen crescent]

When the mezepheles word is said, the politician is told this, and loses their ability.

[junior knot]

|| oh, not the turning, but the saying ||

[hollow oasis]

Kazali+Poppygrower:If the Kazali picks the Poppygrower, they learn this.

[junior knot]

but then poli can't do the funniest thing ever 🥹

[junior knot]

|| im sorry, isnt this just pointless ?||

[karmic rose]

script-dependent, but I don't hate mez/poli sans SoI

it's really funny

[keen crescent]

||I'm struggling to get my jinxes phrased just right to force the storyteller to publicly pull people aside and tell them things.||

[karmic rose]

(and I think most Mez games are more uphill for that Poli)

[dusty thistle]

Not what we're doing, but I'm rewriting . The pixie, if sufficiently mad about the role they learned, gains the role of the player the "mad" token is on.

[fallow rapids]

If the Princess publicly claims to be the Princess on the Storyteller’s nomination and a majority of players vote for it, the Princess ability affects the Demon tonight.

[junior knot]

x / x : If there are an even number of vortoxes in play (?nonzero?) townsfolk may only receive true info

[hollow oasis]

Lord of Typhon+PG:If the poppygrower is in play with a Lord of Typhon, minions are not in a line.

[modern plume]

If the Godfather is (or has been) in play, the Heretic is poisoned.

"See TPI? Was it so hard to avoid a hate jinx? Just do what you did for Damsel!"

[keen crescent]

while a poppygrower is in play, the spy sees the grim with the evil team's tokens removed.

[karmic rose]

oh that's funny

[sinful onyx]

: The boomdandy explosion must kill the zombuul.

[junior knot]

dont forget magician

[keen crescent]

😢

[modern plume]

||Doesn't specify whether or not the Zombuul is already 'dead' or not ||

[severe raven]

The Amnesiac is unaffected by the Vortox

[karmic rose]

as well as the Lleech, or instead of the Lleech?

[sinful onyx]

intended

[modern plume]

As well as.

[karmic rose]

that's slightly less awful, then

[dusty thistle]

What's the problem with OH NO

[junior knot]

x : The pacifist may make players register as evil

[sinful onyx]

this is not subtle

[hollow oasis]

No hold on

it looks so genuine tho

Like someone who knows homebrew but is not cooking

[keen crescent]

Good players might not die when nominated during the riot.

[dusty thistle]

x If the gossip killed last night, the gossip wakes to the chambermaid.

[karmic rose]

i'd play this one drunkenly 1 time

[sinful onyx]

: The faux paw turns evil.

[severe raven]

That works if you similarly jinx DA with a “the first time” clause

Wait no

[keen crescent]

see, the thing about that jinx is I'm very proud bc its obviously bad, but subtly so much worse

[hollow oasis]

No this is an upside it’s just mid

[modern plume]

||This is bonkers if the Lycan is the one turned Evil.||

[fallow rapids]

If the Cannibal had the Atheist ability, the Storyteller may not break the game rules.

[dusty thistle]

x The cerenovus may choose to make a player mad that they are the goblin /s

[sinful onyx]

until you realize it turns everyone evil bc faux paw must be a good player

[hollow oasis]

Yes.

[karmic rose]

||atheist game speedrun any%||

[keen crescent]

the vizier may keep their eyes open while voting.

[dusty thistle]

Though personally I will admit I like this jinx. It opens up some interesting play options late into the game.

[junior knot]

just use the atheist ability to register as evil to the canni

x : instead of being mad as, the chosen player becomes the Drunk.

[karmic rose]

ok, this one isn't subtle, but / -- if the Marionette thinks they have the Atheist ability, there might be no Evil characters in play.

[fallow rapids]

self removing marionette 😭😭

[karmic rose]

all of the marionette/setup jinxes are super stupid to me -- they're just natural consequences of how the marionette works

[sinful onyx]

: Vizier might replace 1 legion in setup.

[junior knot]

x
x : The marioentte might register as good to the goon/ogre

[karmic rose]

like, you don't need to jinx marionette with the idea of the outsider count either

[fallow rapids]

If there are no Outsiders in play, only 1 player is poisoned.

[keen crescent]

if the engineer makes a fang gu while no outsiders are in play, the engineer becomes an outsider.

[junior knot]

( / ) x : the professor ability is a global opg

[karmic rose]

I don't hate this, actually

maybe I'm missing the kicker

[hollow oasis]

If the zombuul is killed by the assassin, they only die.

[junior knot]

|| mechconfirm outsiders are lying ||

[keen crescent]

||the vigormortis in base 1: 😔 ||

[karmic rose]

||yeah, but you're now playing for evil >:)||

point taken, though

[sinful onyx]

wait is this not subtly bad

[junior knot]

unless its the drunk

[junior knot]

youd think itd solve legion volume issues

[hollow oasis]

What exactly is the problem

[junior knot]

instead it just removes votefails

[hollow oasis]

Yeah. If every demon is dead.

[sinful onyx]

legion's ability is actually just vizier's

[karmic rose]

realistically, I don't think this is a great jinx, but I don't think it breaks as hard as it might?

[severe raven]

The Spy does not register falsely.

[sinful onyx]

: fearmonger might replace 1 legion in setup.

[fallow rapids]

just like, in general!

[hollow oasis]

Thoughts on this bastard

[junior knot]

damn it i cant think of a good enough clock/recluse one

[severe raven]

I notice a lot of these are “oops you forgot to qualify it”

[karmic rose]

Outsider claims are pretty dubious on Fang Gu scripts already, and you're probably not scripting Vig/Fang Gu/Engi...?

[hollow oasis]

Significantly less fine although does literally Jack shit in lower player counts

[fallow rapids]

tbf it‘s making the strongest bmr minion even stronger

[hollow oasis]

…. No the jinx does nothing

[junior knot]

i dont think it changes anything coda

[fallow rapids]

oh

[sinful onyx]

: evil twin might replace 1 legion in setup.

[junior knot]

oh nerdy got there first

[fallow rapids]

OH

skyll

[hollow oasis]

“Only die” is not really a thing

[hollow oasis]

No longer subtle

[warped urchin]

I'm confused why we are adding minions to legion games

[junior knot]

x : a magician neighboring the nodashii registers as a minion

[hollow oasis]

It’s legal anyway technically tbh

[karmic rose]

I have played customs where the assassin was bootlegged to take only one life from the Zombuul -- it's, like, fine

[warped urchin]

I know

[sinful onyx]

bc this one is non subtly bad

but adding vizier to legion has real value

of solving volume issue

[fallow rapids]

If the Cannibal was executed today and was chosen by the Bone Collector, they gain the Bone Collector ability too.

I am going to REVIVE ALL THE TOWN

RAHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[sinful onyx]

: If a philosopher gains the mutant ability & is mad they're a townsfolk, they might be executed.

[severe raven]

“I’m the Goblin!”

[keen crescent]

/ if a drunk player is summoned, a different player becomes drunk instead.

[keen crescent]

Imo this one has layers to unpack.

[fallow rapids]

Copies of the same Traveller must be in play.

[sinful onyx]

||It does jack shit bc the philo can just, not choose mutant||

[keen crescent]

3 buearocrats (spelling?) making my vote count as 27

[junior knot]

x : the bishop registers as the fearmonger when nominating

[karmic rose]

oh the / is awful

||pointless||

[keen crescent]

I think my favorite part of that jinx is the ||literal interpretation||

[severe raven]

I thought Philo stopped drunking the player when they changed characters

[keen crescent]

damn 😔 oh well at least there's still something subtly horrible about the pm one, even if I forgor that thats not something philo needs

[junior knot]

x : the pithag may make in-play characters

[sinful onyx]

: The flowergirl may open their eyes during voting.

[severe raven]

I don’t know exactly what the issue is other than “it can be unsolvable”

[keen crescent]

||I believe, as worded, the instead should be replacing the act of summoning||

[severe raven]

Oh I see

[keen crescent]

at least, I think thats how language works

in terms of implied referents for the raw.

[severe raven]

The Wraith may choose to look at the Grimoire.

[junior knot]

x / / : the punchee would die even if they otherwise couldn't

[fallow rapids]

i note a lot of these can be solved by “...if K is in play”

[modern plume]

: "You have excelled in your lessons, my student"

[junior knot]

|| (notice it no longer protects the demon) ||

[fallow rapids]

The Goblin always gets a quest to throw clementines at the Storyteller each night.

[modern plume]

||Yeah, I noticed that issue, was working out how to word it||

[severe raven]

If the Demon shoots someone with the Slayer ability, that player dies

[karmic rose]

yooo unlimited slayer shots

[sinful onyx]

: the kazali may choose which most players to become evil legions, but must leave at least 2 non legions.

[junior knot]

x : the bigwig won't kill if the defender is 'mad' the accused should not be executed

[keen crescent]

If the lleech host is a 'spent role', they gain another use of their ability.

[fallow rapids]

so many of these jinxes are CaU relevant

[junior knot]

should be host regs as lleech to snarmer

[karmic rose]

ok this one is a shitpost but - the alchemist may gain the recluse ability

[keen crescent]

Sometimes I feel like the jinxes I'm writing for this aren't subtly bad, just subtly even worse than they seem

[fallow rapids]

best Townsfolk

[severe raven]

While the Saint is affected by the Cerenovus, the Saint is poisoned.

[fallow rapids]

imagine registering as evil to minion and demon info

it‘s so peak

[sinful onyx]

: vizier registers as a townsfolk to no dashii.

[junior knot]

x : Someone will be mad at the storyteller

[fallow rapids]

truth nuke

[severe raven]

The Marionette registers as a Townsfolk to the No Dashii.

[keen crescent]

the demon cannot choose the same player multiple times.

[karmic rose]

wait how are the no dashii ones supposed to be good

[junior knot]

x : the marionette registers as a tf to vortox

[modern plume]

The Kazali may choose once during choosing Minions to make a Good Atheist

||I dunno, this one may kinda work, if just on its first choice. Without that though, this has a bad implication||

[junior knot]

hide the poison i guess?

or ig the viz?

[sinful onyx]

: Players must close their eyes when someone publicly claim to be the goblin.

[fallow rapids]

If there are multiple Atheists, all Atheists are evil.

[junior knot]

x : the psycho dies if slammed

[fallow rapids]

boss music plays

[sinful onyx]

||An announced vizier deconfirmes their neighbor as nodashii||

[keen crescent]

The preacher cannot choose players who claimed goblin while nominated yesterday.

[low umbra]

Wait but I want to make a script from that

[karmic rose]

gameplay

[junior knot]

x : good players have to die by execution to count for the levi ability

[low umbra]

Mayhaps even worse: ‘the demon may only choose unique good players with the Gambler ability’

[keen crescent]

a lot of my bad jinxes are subtle wording things that have unintended consequences.

which is maybe not the best bc jinxes are typically assumed to work rai over raw but oh well

[junior knot]

needs like snarmer or something to incentivize evils to lie to their demon

[low umbra]

Yeah

[junior knot]

see oldmayor/levi

[low umbra]

Or just Poppy?

[low umbra]

Just be a better ST, no?

Also that makes Mario/ND unsolvable

[junior knot]

x : the politician loses

[keen crescent]

x / x / . If it is mechanically possible that you have the [zealot/butler] ability, you must vote as though you do.

[junior knot]

x : nodashii may poison outsider neighbors instead of just townsfolk

[keen crescent]

wait actually just this but x /

[junior knot]

x : if the boffin grants the farmer ability, evil players get strawpassed to instead

[karmic rose]

awful

[modern plume]

The Lunatic might register as the Demon to the Flowergirl

"Finally, some more negatives to the Lunatic! But we'll be fair, only a 'might'"

[low umbra]

x the Spy is poisoned while it is holding the Lil Monsta

[sinful onyx]

: Spy will see the grimoire with heretic's token removed.

[modern plume]

||Actually, the always version might be worse||

[karmic rose]

/ - if the Magician is closer to the Demon than any Minions are, the Clockmaker learns the number of steps from the Demon to the Magician.

[low umbra]

The Magician registers as a Minion to the clockmaker?

[karmic rose]

...yeah, I'm awake too late, huh

[keen crescent]

A dead scarlet woman keeps its ability.

||the best part is that raw this literally does nothing||

[severe raven]

If the living Al-Hadikhia has no ability, all players still learn who the Al-Hadikhia chose.

[low umbra]

x the Scarlet Woman maintains their ability when the Vigormortis dies

[keen crescent]

the gossips ability can only kill players chosen by the al hadikhia

[severe raven]

This is hard

[modern plume]

||There's technically niche effects? The SW could die first, the Zombuul 'dies' turning the dead SW into the already truly dead Zombuul, which could still affect roles like Fortune Teller, Flowergirl, Dreamer potentially...||

[keen crescent]

similarly, the lycanthrope acts after the alhad, and may only pick people they chose.

[sinful onyx]

: If alchemist has the baron ability, they do not add outsiders.

[modern plume]

||The true blank token. At least they get a nice hat?||

[low umbra]

Blank token simulator goes brrr

[keen crescent]

an alchemist baron removes two outsiders

is just so much better (worse) tho

[severe raven]

Trying to do 1 with wizard

[low umbra]

Wizard doesn’t need any jinxes

[karmic rose]

don't worry, we aren't making needed jinxes here

[low umbra]

True though

[modern plume]

There is some niche and unique possibilities with Vigor + SW and other roles. Nothing immediately that comes to mind with this jinx, since the jinx technically does nothing as that's how Vig normally works.

[low umbra]

Precisely, RAW it’s an ‘oops game over anyway’

[sinful onyx]

: If the godfather removes an outsider, the baron becomes a godfather.

[low umbra]

I want to make a script with the jinx, except the SW becomes the alive Vigor that night

[karmic rose]

is this the Boffin-recluse Vig that can scarpass and continue to register as a minion for poison purposes

[modern plume]

And also the Boffin-Alchemist-Scarlet Woman tech with Recluse

[karmic rose]

ye, though that's Vig-agnostic

[modern plume]

-# The script I am referencing, for those curious

[sinful onyx]

If the summoner is poisoned, the storyteller has the summoner ability.

[keen crescent]

An alchemist with the mezepheles ability has no ability and a mezepheles is in play. Each day, after executions, the alchemist may guess who the mezepheles turned evil. If correct, they turn good that night.
(honestly idek if this is bad, I just don't like this style of jinx).

[low umbra]

x the Recluse may only register as evil to the Oracle on even-numbered nights

[severe raven]

The Spy might register as a good Townsfolk to the High Priestess.

[karmic rose]

/ - the Storyteller may register as either alignment for the Evil Twin ability.

[keen crescent]

If a typhon causes a good player to become a summoner during setup, the typhon becomes a good, not in play townsfolk.

[modern plume]

-# That's already how Spy works?-

[severe raven]

The Recluse might register as the Demon to the Sage.

[keen crescent]

HP learns spy each night becuase they're a good player who just saw the grim

[modern plume]

'Might'

[sinful onyx]

The Recluse might register as a Demon to the Sage.

[keen crescent]

yeah but like, if you're not misregistering the spy at every oppourtunity then they basically have no ability and thats making it a blank token.

[fallow rapids]

The Recluse might register as a Minion to the Sage.

[severe raven]

(no jinx)

[sinful onyx]

||This also does nothing, because it does not register as the demon that killed the sage||

[modern plume]

? The point is that an ST already could misregister the Spy as a Good Townsfolk to the HP.
The suggested jinx does nothing?

[keen crescent]

Who is opposing to the st? a spectator?

[severe raven]

Oh right

[keen crescent]

oh no im affirming you.

and also doing a bit

[severe raven]

The Storyteller registers as evil to their Evil Twin ability.

But that’s like yours

[fallow rapids]

Players can be mad as the Deviant for the Ventriloquist.

[sinful onyx]

: Slayer can kill the recluse. When they do, the recluse turn evil.

[fallow rapids]

(in every game)

(with no Deviant)

[karmic rose]

Would you also misregister the Spy/Recluse when determining what the General learns?

[keen crescent]

x [new players]: The storyteller might let the nominator give an accusation, and might open time for pertinent info to be shared before running the vote.

[sinful onyx]

: If the engineer choose riot, they also choose how many evil players become riot.

[severe raven]

I would take into account how much the misregging is affecting town’s ability to solve

[severe raven]

I feel like these are getting too silly

[keen crescent]

: If the lawyer is mad that the nominee is a 'fresh' townsfolk, the lawyer might not die due to the bigwig's ability.

[keen crescent]

they most certainly are

I like making bad jinxes tho, its cathartic

bc so many jinxes are bad, it gives me a chance to pretend to be tpi

[low umbra]

I think that despite it being a homescript interaction I think it would be kinda cool cause I think a slayer trying to shoot a recluse is cringe

[modern plume]

Sure, but I don't think it would do anything? The General's information is too global and meta for any meaningful effect, similar to the Mathematician. They don't 'look' at the Grim for their information, they get a piece of data that isn't affected by misregistration.

[sinful onyx]

: Golem does not learn who used the psychopath ability.

[modern plume]

How do you... make them... unlearn it?

[severe raven]

Players who talk during choices die.

[low umbra]

Remove the memory from their brain

With an axe

[modern plume]

https://tenor.com/view/ouchie-henry-stickmin-hammer-gif-23859562

[severe raven]

(Spec) / ||mole||: if the Spy is or has been in play, the ||Mole|| is poisoned.

[karmic rose]

incredible

[sinful onyx]

: Mathematician learns +1.

There is no why, they just do.

[fallow rapids]

: Mathematician learns +1000000000000000000000000000.

[karmic rose]

actually shoutouts Kazali Widow strat

(on a Damsel script, make a Widow and immediately turn them into something else. You still get the requisite number of Minions per the almanac, and the Damsel is poisoned for a free math +1 all game)

[sinful onyx]

math doesn't count the jinx

[karmic rose]

It does in the games I've played

The Damsel ping doesn't go out as a result of another ability

[low umbra]

Boffin/math learning a zero:
Why’d it have to be meeeee

[low umbra]

Ig the damsel ping is a constant check, so that makes sense

Though I think it going out after n1 is kinda :/

[dry sluice]

Alsaahir jinxes! They're all good, right?
, : The Alsaahir may guess dead demons as minions.
: The Alsaahir may omit one of the LoT's minions in their guess.
: The Alsaahir is not required to guess a dead-from-jumping Fang Gu.
, : If the Alsaahir guesses a Minion/Demon configuration, then the Lil' Monsta/Summoner ability can no longer be used to create that configuration.

[next vault]

Alsaahir if it was just the names:

Like "Arlene, Lepakon and Shay" instead of "Arlene abd Lepakon as Minions and Shay as Demon"

[barren sun]

: Only 1 Atheist can be in play

Idk how to make bad jinxes so I'll go with that

[next vault]

Except the Atheist can break the rules

[barren sun]

This one looks actually cool ?

[tough silo]

the flowergirl can open their eyes during voting.

if the judge is evil they wake with the fearmonger and cant force execution on the picked player.

[fiery sleet]

If The Honorable Judge was exiled today, the Cannibal gains their ability tonight instead of the executed player's ability.

[tough silo]

if the cult leader sees the Wraith they inmediatly become evil for that night.

[fiery sleet]

Is wraith being allowed to open their eyes during organ grinder voting an established thing or naw

[fallow rapids]

it's an optional optional house rule

as in jams mentioned it once in the release

[thorny summit]

Each night*, the Gossip learns if their ability triggered.

[versed junco]

Honorable is a new keyword for Good

[thorny summit]

Or another option;
Players killed by the Gossip ability learn this.

[versed junco]

Executed Honorable players might not die.

[next vault]

The Mathematician can learn that the Tinker ability failed to trigger if they were unable to die

[lost thistle]

if the courtier has chosen leviathan, evil still wins after day 5

the marionette registers as a good player to the high priestess

the drunk village idiot registers as the drunk to the dreamer

Anyone “mad” about being Jurgen Leitner might be executed, unless it would help them.

wait that doesnt seem right

[lost thistle]

lets try that again
If the cannibal has the Minstrel ability, they don’t change what ability they have when a Minion is executed, and don’t get poisoned due to that.

[finite wigeon]

Also that's so fucking funny

It almost looks like a normal or reasonable ruiling until you think about it for like, 5 seconds

[sinful onyx]

: The wraith count as waking to the chambermaid if the chambermaid saw them tonight.

[finite wigeon]

Wait, I just realized the ST in an IRL game has no way to tell whether or not a Townie sees the Wraith for certain this is even more cursed than I thought lmfao

[sinful onyx]

: If evil wins due to vortox ability, soldier does not lose.

[finite wigeon]

• As established, how the hell would the ST irl enforce that?
• CL can still turn good by just killing the Wraith, and since they know they were about to turn good, they probably want to.
• The Cult Leader can just cover their eyes to negate this jinx entirely

And my favorite bit

• The 1st time the Cult Leader is waking up they're already evil

It gets so close to looking like it almost maybe does something, but when you look inside it's just the worst ruiling ever I love it lmao

[sinful onyx]

: If the marionette think they're a Tea lady, their neighboring demon(s) cannot die.

[lost thistle]

The Tea Lady can't protect the Lleech Host

[uneven field]

isn't that a real jinx with just "up to" removed

for what purpose

good on a recluse script..?

[fiery sleet]

good in atheist ig?

[uneven field]

that's already the current jinx

[zenith lotus]

not quite

[supple dirge]

I don't see the difference

[uneven field]

/ If the Mutant is executed due to their own ability, they do not die.

[fiery sleet]

nice

[uneven field]

/ If the Golem nominates a twin, they are executed immediately.

[dense moat]

The Mezepheles is in play, and you learn their word instead of them

[zenith lotus]

you'll notice the one in here doesnt actually say this is a part of the summoning

there's also the plural on players

sooooooo

infinite zombuuls

[acoustic chasm]

/ The Recluse might register as a Minion to the Xaan ability.

[finite wigeon]

/ The Puzzlemaster doesn't learn false info.

[junior knot]

So are we in the jinx just is how it works raw section of the answers?

[lost thistle]

the cerenovus can not make the mutant mad about being an outsider

if the minstrel’s ability has activated, lil monsta also gets poisoned until dusk

[finite wigeon]

it does look that way on first read

read it again, I think you'll see the vision

[junior knot]

Oh... || Nightwatchman? ||

[lost thistle]

why is that even a jinx its an outsider

[junior knot]

Oh even better

[finite wigeon]

||The Puzzlemaster just learns the Demon||

[junior knot]

|| always gets the demon ||

[finite wigeon]

||no matter who they guess lmfao||

[finite wigeon]

yeah

[lost thistle]

if the shugenja’s nearest evil neighbors are equidistant, the grimoire explodes

[valid garden]

I see I see

||This is RAW, yeah?||

||'can not' vs 'cannot'||

[lost thistle]

||what would happen if the cerenovus tries||

[valid garden]

Oh nvm I misunderstood

[valid garden]

||Illegal choice, so told 'no'||

?

[lost thistle]

||yep||

[valid garden]

That seems normal

Idk I don't see the 'subtly bad'

[keen crescent]

are we still doing this?

[lost thistle]

okay actually

new prompt
2/19: Choose two characters, and jinx them in a way that is unsubtly bad.

[keen crescent]

ok fair enough ig not

[pseudo fulcrum]

The Demon dies

[keen crescent]

If the gossip kills the fool, and the fool does not die, the fool learns this.

[lost thistle]

evil players learn a completely unrelated player as an extra minion/demon

[junior knot]

ok we shouldnt jinx homescript interactions

[keen crescent]

what about bad homescript interactions

[junior knot]

The magician neighbors the typhon inside of the typhon line

[lost thistle]

if the assassin attacks the goon, the goon does not die, and all other players become evil

[fiery sleet]

If the Kazali would make the Soldier one of their Minions, the Soldier becomes a Marionette instead of the chosen Minion.

[keen crescent]

like, eg. its unfair if pithag randomly makes vortox. Ergo, If the pithag makes a vortox, all players learn this.

[lost thistle]

The storyteller cannot get diarrhea

[keen crescent]

The magician does not go into the bag. During setup, a player in the middle of the line becomes the magician.

[fiery sleet]

If the Politician would change teams and lose due to the Heretic, instead the Heretic changes teams and loses.

[lost thistle]

the alchemist instead sees the grimoire for the game played after this one

[keen crescent]

The gambler cannot die unless they were chosen by the al-hadikhia that night.
^ both subtly and unsubtly bad.

[lost thistle]

the gambler is stormcaught

[fiery sleet]

If the Pit Hag creates a Drunk while the Drunk is in play, the Drunk becomes the character they think they are and then the chosen player becomes the Drunk.

[keen crescent]

If the demon has the tea lady ability, it instead only applies when both neighbors are evil.

[lost thistle]

if the vigormortis kills the evil twin, the storyteller stops the game and runs BMR instead

[fiery sleet]

If the Scarlet Woman is dead but has their ability when their ability activates, they are resurrected.

[lost thistle]

if a new leviathan is created, the leviathan day counter resets back to 1

the shabaloth registers as a townsfolk to the professor

[lost thistle]

i heard this interaction was pretty bad so i fixed it

[keen crescent]

If the shabaloth kills itself, the game doesn't end, and the shabaloth is regurgitated the next night before waking to pick kills.

[lost thistle]

if the Pukka is Exorcised, they become the Big Barnacle

[fiery sleet]

x If the Po doesn't wake, it counts as choosing no one.

[lost thistle]

if a jinx happens, this pings math (including this one)

[fiery sleet]

If the Harlot chooses the Virgin, the Virgin loses their ability.

[keen crescent]

If the artist already knows the answer to their question, they might recieve true info.

[lost thistle]

the artist learns that there are two guards, one who only tells lies, and one who only tells the truth. the artist does not know which is which. the artist must choose one of them to ask their question to

[junior knot]

|| so knights and knaves? ||

[keen crescent]

I unironically have a bootlegged loric that does this to every townsfolk and I'm planning on pulling it out for my in-person playgroup soon. We'll see how it goes.

[lost thistle]

the clockmaker and the evil twin cannot be on the same script together

[junior knot]

just use the hatejinx formula

[lost thistle]

a hate jinx isnt enough

[junior knot]

: you are not allowed to play quadjank

[keen crescent]

A vigorkilled alchemist keeps their ability

[junior knot]

: A vigorkilled magician learns the demon

[lost thistle]

a vigorkilled recluse might keep their ability

[junior knot]

: an intentional ojokilled magician learns the demon

[lost thistle]

players who make this joke might die at any time

[junior knot]

in game. in game right?

[keen crescent]

If the ojo chooses heretic, and heretic is not in play, the ojo dies.

[lost thistle]

people in real life might die at any time

if the demon doesn’t know who to kill, they see the grimoire

[keen crescent]

If the ojo misses, the lunatic chooses who dies.

[lost thistle]

If the Mezepheles has not used their ability yet, the Fisherman always learns the mez word as their advice

wait did they change fisherman from “help you win” to “help your team win”

whend that happen

[keen crescent]

yesterday

(idk)

[dry sluice]

The Yaggababble and Mez must have the same word/phrase

[lost thistle]

When a dead damsel outs their role, all living townsfolk become the Barber

[keen crescent]

x / / / / / [etc]: Each night, the alsaahir learns how many minions and how many demons are in play.

[fiery sleet]

The Widow must choose the Damsel if it's in play

[keen crescent]

// x The damsel's ability reads "All opposing players know you are in play. If a minion or outsider guesses you (once), your team loses." (hermit for evil damsel by other outsiders)

[lost thistle]

The Wraith may not open their eyes

[keen crescent]

Each night, the gossip learns how many times the yagababble phrase was said.

[dry sluice]

/ The "Haircuts Tonight" reminder tokens do nothing if placed on these characters.

[lost thistle]

each night, the yaggababble learns how many times the gossip gossip’d

[fiery sleet]

If the gossip correctly gossips how many times the yaggababble said their phrase today, their ability kills the yaggababble

[lost thistle]

holy shit balatro

if the gambler gambles incorrectly, they are executed

[keen crescent]

Players chosen by the psychopath are executed.

[dry sluice]

If the Gossip makes a true gossip that includes the Yaggababble phrase, their ability kills the Yaggababble tonight.

[fiery sleet]

If the politician is executed (ending the game), their alignment swaps before it counts and it actually counts as an evil execution and not a good one

[dry sluice]

🦀 If the King is asked to leave the room, a Crab becomes the King.

[junior knot]

: The yaggabbable phrase must be the full lyrics to a song (pitch/key/rhythm matters)

[keen crescent]

If an apprentice-choirboy joins midgame, another player must join as the apprentice-king.

[next vault]

🦀 🦀 If someone doesn't understand this jynx, they are asked to leave this plane of existance through peaceful means, if they do not comply, summon a crab to force them to do so.

[supple dirge]

If a player that is not the wizard makes a wish, the storyteller may pretend to grant and enact the wish.

[dense moat]

If the Pit Hag turns themselves into the Politician, the Storyteller may choose to kill the Demon themself

acctually funnier wording

[low umbra]

a vigor-killed recluse keeps their ability on death

[next vault]

no way that would be too broken

[dense moat]

If the Pit Hag makes a Politician, deaths are arbitrary tonight

[next vault]

the recluse shouldnt keep its ability after dying if killed by the vigor!!!!

[low umbra]

No but RAW interaction with hermit/mutant goes hard (it totally doesn’t confirm vigor idk what you’re talking about)

[junior knot]

The flowergirl can open her eyes during voting

the yag phrase must be the pokerap

[low umbra]

I think it was probably done a few times

[junior knot]

eh its fine

wait is that subtly bad or obviously bad

i cant tell where the break is

[dense moat]

If the Atheist doestnt neighbor the Demon, all evil players become good, but dont learn this

[low umbra]

Eh there have def been obviously bad fake jinxes, I don’t think subtlety is a requirement

[dense moat]

there are prompts for both

[junior knot]

it was for the prev question

[junior knot]

i meant the arepa one ayla replied to

[dense moat]

ah oki

[low umbra]

Ah

[dense moat]

same point tho: just make a bad jinx

[low umbra]

I didn’t know there were different questions LOL

[dense moat]

this'

[fallow rapids]

(spoilers) ||:machinist:||

||If the Machinist has the Djinn ability, they do not. All jinxes are removed.||

[junior knot]

The atheist registers as a demon to the fortune teller
The atheist registers as a demon to the flowergirl
The atheist registers as a minion to the town crier
...
you get the picture

[fallow rapids]

finally... peace

[keen crescent]

A demon with the atheist ability is good.

[junior knot]

: i mean it writes itself

[keen crescent]

x [bad storytellers]: If, in 3 minion, the marionette results in an illegal setup, the storyteller has to read the almanac.

[junior knot]

: Execution survival is parity dependent

[pastel prism]

how is this subtly bad

[zenith lotus]

new question

its not subtle anymore

[pastel prism]

no it's not subtly or obviously bad

this is a good jinx

fr

[uneven field]

execution via firing squad

out of game

[valid garden]

(in game)

[uneven field]

The Scarlet Woman cannot become the Demon if a Knight is in play.

[uneven field]

this one's actually good though

[fallow rapids]

Agreed

BMRheads unite

[uneven field]

I love BMR but me liking this jinx is not even necessarily borne out of me loving BMR

I hate S&V more than I could ever love any script

[heavy sundial]

/ If the Alchemist turns someone evil, that player becomes the Saint.

[fiery sleet]

If the Alchemist turns themself evil, the Demon turns good.

[warped urchin]

The first evil player to say the word becomes good instead

[sinful onyx]

: only 1 jinxed character can be in play.

[supple dirge]

The kazali can choose to turn themselves into the atheist ||Actually thats awesome and should happen. ||

[hollow oasis]

good

[sinful onyx]

It literally doesn’t fix any problem

[hollow oasis]

less mezes in play

and no double mezepheles

objectively a good jinx.

[fiery sleet]

If the Vigormortis kills themself, they keep their ability and poison 1 Townsfolk neighbor.

[tough silo]

Cant we do this already

[hollow oasis]

... uh

somethin tells me

that's not a good idea

[fiery sleet]

If you have a Scarlet Woman too, then you now have 2kpn

[hollow oasis]

but yes

[hollow oasis]

Quilava is actively working on a script with this

[fiery sleet]

lol

Sooooooooo I notice SW/Zombuul don't have a jinx to prevent the SW from becoming a Zombuul when the Zombuul fake dies

[hollow oasis]

ye

[valid garden]

Isn't that the logic behind Gary Cooper, Sherrif?

Or whatever the script is called

[lost thistle]

lets fix this

when the zombuul dies, a good player becomes the zombuul

[fast anchor]

Yeah because it's a peak interaction to have two active zombuuls

[junior knot]

still less than 1kpn average lol

[pastel prism]

If Legion is in play, the Oracle instead learns how many dead players are good (and doesn't know this).

If Legion is in play, the Chef instead learns how many pairs of good players there are (and doesn't know this).

[hollow oasis]

lowkey

I like this

actually

yeah this is a good change tbh

[pastel prism]

i'm glad lmao, just put it here because i did not bother to think them through in the slightest
the sole purpose of them is to fix the issue of the number of dead evils/pairs of evils exceeding 5 and becoming impossible to hand signal in person

[hollow oasis]

well binary counting exists

[junior knot]

just garden to split up pairs of evils

ez

[hollow oasis]

Oh

the added bonus is that legion doesn't feel like shit in oracle/chef games

[thorny summit]

If Legion is in play, the Chef learns a 1

[sinful onyx]

I thougt we are doing bad jinxes

[pseudo fulcrum]

If Legion is in play, the Chef learns a yes

[sinful onyx]

If Legion is in play, the Chef learns an L

[fiery sleet]

If Legion is in play, the Chef is Legion

[acoustic chasm]

If Legion is in play, the Chef learns how many pairs of good players there are.

[hollow oasis]

the real jinx

[pseudo fulcrum]

If the Chef is in-play, Legion learns how many pairs of evil players there are.

[supple dirge]

The Chef wakes with Legion and might register as evil. Legion knows if a Chef is in play, but not which player it is.

[dense moat]

If Legion is in-play, the Chef is evil

[modern plume]

The number of Chef-Legion jinxes here actually in effect is equal to the number of Legion in play.

[fiery sleet]

Evil characters don't have to be in a line.

[lost thistle]

//
if there are zero outsiders, the xaan poisons during setup, causing these characters’ setup modification to not happen

[warped urchin]

How can there be zero outsiders with a huntsman in the bag

[junior knot]

mario?

spy? (don't do thi)

[lost thistle]

the huntsman is xaan poisoned :)

:)))))

[low umbra]

Yeah, the xaan overrides the huntsman and says the huntsman setup ability doesn’t do anything

[fiery sleet]

2/20: Ravenswood Bluff is starting up a community Minecraft server. What does each character do?

[lost thistle]

build lag machines

[fiery sleet]

build traps to kill people by entity cramming with 200 cows

sleep in the nether

kill other players' pets

[low umbra]

builds industrial-scale farms cause they saw a showcase and thought it was cool

[pallid sierra]

builds an ever expanding wheat far and forced their friends to help harvest it by hand

[dusty thistle]

Distributes RATs

Three words: Orbital strike cannon

[fiery sleet]

makes minecraft in minecraft using their special interest in redstone engineering

[dusty thistle]

Awakens sometime later to discover that the world is just bedrock now.

[valid garden]

https://xkcd.com/861/

xkcd: Wisdom Teeth

I heard the general anesthesia drugs can cause amnesia, so when I woke up mid-extraction I started taking notes on my hand so I'd remember things later. I managed 'AWAKE BUT EVERYTHING OK' before the dental assistant managed to find and confiscate all my pens.

[grizzled marsh]

Is making enchantements for everyone

[low umbra]

is the reason for the world consisting of only bedrock

(2b2t-style)

[fallow rapids]

Hosting minigames, such as Bedwars but you only bridge with Honey Blocks

DA also thinks phantoms are perfectly fine additions to the game and that Mojang should continue developing overtly kid-unfriendly capitalist tendancies

[zenith lotus]

spamming chat telling everyone else to get in a bed

[low umbra]

And then gets out of bed themselves to stare at people while they’re sleeping

[dusty thistle]

This is exactly what I was referring to.

[dense moat]

Goes to peoples buildings, mines the blocks, and replaces them with new ones

[lost thistle]

Kills the ender dragon, then leaves the server

[hollow oasis]

underground secret minecraft bases. they're interconnected.

[warped urchin]

Gotta add that they do it within 10 minutes of joining the server

[fiery sleet]

accidentally blows up several houses trying to make a TNT duper

[supple dirge]

Makes all the map art for the server

[dry sluice]

determines that it's possible to build a redstone computer, and then logs off

[lost thistle]

doesn’t even make the computer, of course

[severe raven]

the proof is trivial and left as an exercise to the reader

[acoustic spade]

tries to convince everyone to base with them instead

[fallow rapids]

will in fact base with CL

she'd spend 5 months making one tiny café potion shop (it looks really good)

[barren sun]

Makes a Netherite spear and goes butt naked into the End

Makes a full Netherite armor and goes unarmed into the End

Has a zombie skin and people accidentally attack them

Uploads all mods

[versed junco]

Does Blood on the Clocktower roleplay

[cold veldt]

atheist is also out there debunking herobrine

[inner gazelle]

Washerwoman is trying to make all the dye colors.

Artist keeps stealing them

[fiery sleet]

breeding llamas for max carrying capacity

[foggy grotto]

travels to the farlands and bases there

[finite wigeon]

play Terraria

[dry sluice]

Builds a challenge adventure dungeon, and begs other players to pleeease play it why isn't anyone playing it

[lost thistle]

frequently dies, and keeps asking other players for replacement gear

[lost thistle]

plays it, but ends up cheesing every part of it, much to the puzzlemaster’s dismay

cracks the seed of the server

look nether bases are just so cool you build a cool ominous castle out of blackstone or something with lava pouring out of it and

[lost thistle]

also set up a raid farm for totems

makes their base 10000 blocks away from spawn (once they finally find the “right spot”), then wonders why they aren’t having fun anymore

[junior knot]

** [2/21]:** name a character pair/triple that you’ve seen people suggest need to be jinxed/have an official jinx, that you think works just fine RAW/jinxless

[dry sluice]

The official jinx is... okay I guess. I have a script that needs them unjinxed

[fallow rapids]

works fine RAW ()

CaU somewhat uses it as a weapon by adding Hereric and Hatter, but by itself it might lead to some better script ideas

you just need a reason to not out immediately ()

Hermit Drunk Lunatic is the sort of interaction that literally generates the entire script for you due to possibility reasons

many jank combinations work fine RAW, you just need a justification for it

context matters most anyway

[pallid sierra]

[fallow rapids]

take as hot as the beer the drunk is drinking

[low umbra]

Instead of just make it clear that o-mod and other setup effects goes in character type order: demon, outsider, TF, minion in the core rules (this also fixes vig at 0 base outsiders with other o-mod)

(I did just realise this messes with the already broken kaz/huntsman and kaz/cb)

[fallow rapids]

yeah but does it really break them more than they already are

it‘s still an ST choice to put the broken cb/huntsman in the bag before kazali might mess with it

[low umbra]

True

[uneven field]

this so much

al-hadikhia specifies that you may choose three players

it's already built with mastermind functionality, they're removing so much potential strategy by jinxing them

I'd go so far as to say that unjinxed, mastermind is one of al-hadikhia's most compatible minions

and certainly vice versa

[fallow rapids]

yeah the jinx isn’t necessary at all

[dusty thistle]

I disagree with this sentiment pretty strongly. Sure, you can sink, but why would you? Al-had already functions poorly with deathmod, and there's no real scenario where double tapping hurts you more than if the al-had had just killed the night prior. You can't play off something like the Minuit engine as al-had is too loud. Al-had+mm needs the jinx to function.

There's no benefit to sinking because there simply is no inherent risk to double tapping. If the demon could win off you double tapping, they could've won the night before.

All you do is give town one extra day of info, which serves no purpose but sabotaging yourself.

To sum up, it's basically the same as what would happen if you put mm on TB, but worse as that at least has monk and soldier on it.

. Kinda

It doesn't work RAW, but anything is better than this.

[fiery sleet]

Magi legion is fine raw, you just need to wake the legion one at a time

[barren sun]

Good travelers + Saint : A good traveller killing a Saint counts as executing them.
I don't like it, Saint should be free to yeet themselves for the Gnome >:/!

[dusty thistle]

No, the issue is legion has no indication there's a magician RAW

[fiery sleet]

Just tell them there's a magician then

Problem solved

[dusty thistle]

That requires a jinx

Because it's not how magician works RAW.

[barren sun]

This character has selected you : Magician. This are your demons : ....
Yeah, it's a long ass night, but so worth it. If both are on script, always run a long first night

[dusty thistle]

Not how it works RAW. You can't show them the magician token without a jinx. Because, you know, the magician ability doesn't say you do that.

[barren sun]

I meant to say that's how I'd want the Jinx to be

[dusty thistle]

Oh. Sorry. Yeah that's exactly what I'd want the jinx to be

[low umbra]

I disagree. My justification:
All of Ride the Cyclone

[low umbra]

Well they can just be shown the magi token as a new jinx

[heavy sundial]

I'm wondering what it would be like if the al-had/mastermind jinx was that it only does the current jinx if you choose to kill 3 players

(and if you don't, it goes to a normal mastermind day)

[heavy sundial]

2/22: What are your favourite custom scripts that were made as a collaboration between multiple people?

(bonus points if they were made by 3+ people!)

[dusty thistle]

Literally every good custom out there

I mean, even if they don't credit more than a single writer, every script has an element of collaboration in the process of proofing, suggestions, testing, etc.

[heavy sundial]

I'm more talking ones that are credited to multiple people

ones that are like _ by _ and _

[dusty thistle]

This

[dense moat]

I'm partial to Flight of the Bumbling Idiots by Cedric and Utku

[dusty thistle]

Or this

[dense moat]

ive even run it in longtext

[dusty thistle]

Mainly because I can't think of any others that are credited to multiple people

[dense moat]

Hide and Seek is too

[dusty thistle]

So yeah, have a pair of clusterf***s

Making Shitty Livevoice Custom Syndrome was probably the most fun I've ever had in a scriptwriting thread.

[lost thistle]

am i allowed to say homebrew

[barren sun]

Greediest Whalebuffet

[uneven field]

#1369349156530814997 message

[supple dirge]

2/24 what's your favorite thing that's happened because you started playing clocktower, that wasn't actually playing the game

[nimble rose]

I met my partner through clocktower which I’d say is pretty awesome

[cold veldt]

i made a lot of friends. it's pretty cool

[fiery sleet]

Yeah I think the main thing for many people is just meeting people

[fallow rapids]

socialising? in my social game? why, i‘d never!

[fast anchor]

spirit island with clocktower players

hits so different

[inner gazelle]

Met some neat people, learning new argument strategies.

[sinful onyx]

I have friends

[fast anchor]

fire reacts
maybe i do make that pbp spirit island server with clocktower people

[karmic rose]

scotland 10 time

[junior knot]

ok I know my question for tomorrow

(what is the equivalent spirit/townsfolk ... like philo/starlight)

Minstrel/EEB?

ooh engi/mentor

[karmic rose]

Shab/BoDDYS

(not a townsfolk, but)

[versed junco]

Met friends, talked about the Suez Canal for forty minutes, no I will not elaborate

[pseudo fulcrum]

being added to the game

[versed junco]

I mean The Honorable Judge

[uneven field]

met some people

[fast anchor]

@junior knot can you be the volunteer to punch people in the solar plexus

[junior knot]

is this a reference to something?

but sure, ig

[fast anchor]

scotland 10

[junior knot]

oh then no i cant

im going to be playing, id hope

[fast anchor]

(if the image isn't loading: Scotland 10 (? Difficulty): This 1 Will Hurt: After Invaders add 1 or more from Ravaging, find a bystander to punch you in the solar plexus.)

[junior knot]

maybe you should ask vati

[fast anchor]

lowkey i want to try scotland 9 at some point

like it's brutally unfair and not at all balanced but i feel like you could beat it

[junior knot]

if we are gonna play with botc people can we bootleg 10 into argentian piledrives instead?

[fast anchor]

YO WAIT

you're onto something

[low umbra]

Met a bunch of people that are now close friends. Also script writing is super cool and I’d say it isn’t playing the game

[warm gate]

I think it's helped me have a more positive relationship with my creative mindset/process
outside of clocktower, I write music, and the process of trying, failing, and iterating on clocktower scripts I think has made me more comfortable with doing things "badly" when I write music
instead of beating myself up/restarting I'm now better at looking at it as a gradual process and finding things worth iterating on/keeping/changing instead

[severe raven]

I survived an otherwise hopeless university experience (well technically it's not over yet)

[steel wraith]

ooh that sounds great

the board game club at my college played spirit island basically every week... until some people introduced BotC and now we do at least one of the two games each week

[dusty thistle]

2/25 How does each evil character do their evil laugh?

[fiery sleet]

sounds like Peter Griffin

[lucid crag]

sounds like Peter Griffin

[cold veldt]

sounds like Peter Griffin

[valid garden]

sounds like Peter Griffin

[dusty thistle]

😮‍💨 🤦

[finite wigeon]

sounds like a lot of Peter Griffins

[valid garden]

sounds like a really big Peter Griffin

[fallow rapids]

sounds nothing like Lois Griffin

[modern plume]

sounds like Peter Griffin with a mustache

[versed junco]

See the issue is you've locked yourself into a bit which has nowhere to go

[fast anchor]

The Honorable Judge

[tough silo]

Judge Holden

[next vault]

Holden Deez Nuts

[supple dirge]

sounds like Stewie Griffin

[fiery sleet]

sounds like Brian

I'm sorry for starting this bit, I do genuinely believe goblin would laugh like that

[supple dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/lol-crazy-famil-guy-peter-griffin-crying-gif-4521901

[dusty thistle]

I'm leaving secret thing.

[dusty thistle]

Don't worry. You didn't start this, @lucid crag did

[junior knot]

Eddie Murphy

[modern plume]

Would think this whole bit we've been doing is without class, it's disruptive, and shall not stand in their king's court. They will not laugh here in public with all your miscreants. Shameful what you've done here.
||Anyway, in private, Vizier sounds like Peter Griffin||.

[fiery sleet]

Rubber chicken

[junior knot]

clown honk

[lucid crag]

I'd argue you started this

https://tenor.com/view/luigi-super-mario-dance-silly-gif-3553357394663319968

[dusty thistle]

No, you're the one who made a running gag.

Actually you know what, you're right! You WOULD argue I started this. And then lose that argument!

[lucid crag]

I've already won m8

[modern plume]

Technically it's only a running gag once it's happened at least three times.

So it's Bhamber's fault, clearly

[junior knot]

Actually let’s all just blame nexus

[pseudo fulcrum]

Really we should be blaming the person who made this server

[versed junco]

at that point why not blame steven medway

[dusty thistle]

Blame Margaret Thatcher. It's all her fault.

[finite wigeon]

W𝙹⚍ꖎ↸ ꖎᔑ⚍⊣⍑ ꖎ╎ꖌᒷ pᒷℸ ̣ ᒷ∷ g∷╎⎓⎓╎リ

Blame Peter Griffin for laughing like that

[lost thistle]

teehee :)

three wordless chuckles in quick succession with the mouth closed, and nothing more.

overly cheesy "mwah hah hah"

sounds like Peter Griffin

[cold veldt]

i am very happy to take the blame :D

[keen crescent]

A michael jackson "hee-hee"

[thorny summit]

Says "lol" and "lmao" more than they actually laugh

[hollow oasis]

Laughs deeper and more robotically until it explodes

[junior knot]

hey lets just blame arthur phillip

[junior knot]

** [2/26]: ** What is the equivalent Spirit Island Spirit/Power for BOTC Townsfolk?

(we can follow up with minions/outsiders/townsfolk at later dates)

[fiery sleet]

idk bro I haven't played spirit island

[junior knot]

you say that like everyone has seen family guy

[fiery sleet]

Notably, I did not make a question about family guy

I made an answer about it

And everyone latched onto it

[warped urchin]

I dont know what this even means

So I'm gonna say uh

The number of times the letter e appears in their ability text

[junior knot]

@fast anchor @karmic rose btw this question is for you

[fiery sleet]

Can someone else make a question for everyone except those 2 people to enjoy please? /hj

[junior knot]

not just for them, its just summoning them bc they are public botc/si enjoyers

and lowkey im p sure weve had like pokemon/marvel questions before too

[fiery sleet]

those are so mainstream

[sinful onyx]

But what’s spirit island

[fallow rapids]

what’s spirit island

[warped urchin]

A board game

[severe raven]

Amnesiac -> Starlight

[dense moat]

I do have a question

If you want one

Alt 2/26

Pick a character very carefully

||That character is playing a game of 20 questions: what sort of question do they ask first?||

(idk if it’s a good question but it’s what I thought of)

[warped urchin]

Lil monsta ||Bweakfast?||

[fiery sleet]

||Uhhhh idk. Animal/vegetable/mineral?!?!?||

[dense moat]

||Does it explode?||

[karmic rose]

-> Entwined Power
-> Cast Down into the Briny Deep
-> Blazing Renewal
-> Impersonate Authority
-> Absolute Stasis

-> Starlight Seeks Its Form
-> Towering Roots of the Jungle

[karmic rose]

you have the power to fix that

[fiery sleet]

No I don't

I don't have access to it

[karmic rose]

do you have tabletop sim

[fiery sleet]

no

[karmic rose]

ah, alas! there's an app implementation that will let you play out the first ~half of a game for free to see if you enjoy it

[fiery sleet]

I prefer to play physical board games in person

[karmic rose]

It's a cooperative, asymmetric board game that feels much like Into the Breach and has a really fun skill curve

[fiery sleet]

dawg you'll never guess what else I haven't played

Also how can a cooperative game be asymmetric

[karmic rose]

every player controls a spirit, and every spirit plays differently!

[fiery sleet]

how differently

like they have different decks of cards involving the same core gameplay or what

[karmic rose]

Pretty much! Each spirit has a unique set of starting cards, a unique set of inbuilt powers, and a few special rules. Throughout the game, all spirits can draft additional powers from communal decks, and the enemy follows the same rules across the entire board

[fiery sleet]

I wouldn't really call that asymmetric fwiw

Like magic the gathering isn't asymmetric because the decks have different colors

But Root is because the fundamental gameplay actions you take are radically different

[dusty thistle]

||Yes sir ||

[karmic rose]

I think Spirit Island plays about as differently from spirit to spirit as Root does from faction to faction, fwiw

[dusty thistle]

I have never heard of spirit island until now

[karmic rose]

It's a somewhat more fun first game (ime!) because the cooperative aspect means that a new player doesn't need to wrap their head around the other spirits at the table

And you lose Root by not knowing what your opponent's tokens mean

Big recommend Spirit Island! It's my favorite board game by a wide, wide margin

[dusty thistle]

From the quick read-through of my friend's copy of the Root base game, my initial impression is the Woodland Alliance is overpowered.

Or at least better than the other factions

[dusty thistle]

Well, as a board game enthusiast I'll look into it.

[karmic rose]

It's a good faction, yeah, though you'll find a lot of folks think the Vagabond is even more powerful

[dusty thistle]

Really? Huh

I mean, it was one glance to be fair

[karmic rose]

Woodland is still top ~3 factions with all the expansions!

[fiery sleet]

I used to think the same thing until I read the rules that are in fine print

it's fine

[severe raven]

I played root once and don’t know why I would ever play it again when Spirit Island exists

[fiery sleet]

vagabond is actually the worst faction bc if you have competent opponents then they will just target you early and refuse to craft, and you will be crippled for the entire game

vagabond heavily relies on politicking your opponents against their optimal strategy in order to do anything at all

[dusty thistle]

So the strategy to beat it is to gang up on it? Sounds like it's really good.

[karmic rose]

Root does improve on further plays, but I think folks on this server often prefer games with some semblance of cooperation 😆

[fiery sleet]

No, the strategy to beat it is to not ignore it

Bully it a bit early game and it will never snowball to be scary

All you have to do is target it before it becomes scary, not after

[dusty thistle]

Oh absolutely not.

At least for me

[dusty thistle]

Yeah, that's ganging up on it

[fiery sleet]

Vagabond seems good if you act like a lil bean all game until you suddenly win

If they know what's up, they'll commit a small amount of attention to you early on and you'll crumble

[karmic rose]

sacrificing an early game turn or two to kneecap the Vagabond is nontrivial, and you'd always prefer your opponent do that for you so you can focus on doing other things

but the Vagabond's strength does dip when folks at the table realize it's a threat

[dusty thistle]

That's also the counter strategy to Queen of Hearts in Villainous (which isn't that good of a game but I couldn't think of another example)

[karmic rose]

any Arcs enjoyers in chat, btw?

[fiery sleet]

I find that root's "ecosystem" declines a lot in quality once you start trying to optimize it

[dusty thistle]

Hot take: Monopoly is good.

[fiery sleet]

elaborate

[dusty thistle]

Monopoly is a good board game and fun to play

[fiery sleet]

I disagree on both of those

[hollow oasis]

incorrect

[dusty thistle]

I've played it many times with my family and it's always a blast. Though that's probably because we're all trying to screw each other over and play like computers

[hollow oasis]

It's RNG

but also

look up the winrates for "who goes first order"

[dusty thistle]

That applies to risk, catan, wingspan,

[fiery sleet]

My stance is that if you like monopoly, there will be many other games you enjoy 5x more

[hollow oasis]

the answers will shock you

[dusty thistle]

Pandemic

Also Ticket to Ride

[fiery sleet]

notably, all 5 of those games are ones I also dislike

[dusty thistle]

I could keep going

[karmic rose]

this board game geek review lives rent-free in my head

[fiery sleet]

Monopoly simply takes too much time for what it actually offers

[dusty thistle]

Monopoly, at least in my experience, is very fast

[thorny summit]

I think one of these (the second one) is true with the right group, but I don't think the game itself is great

[dusty thistle]

You're done in an hour and a half

[karmic rose]

(but also yeah Wingspan has great components and theming, but the gameplay isn't top-tier)

[dusty thistle]

I disagree strongly

[fiery sleet]

okay but what if instead of rolling dice and pointlessly haggling for an hour and a half, I played an interesting game instead

[dusty thistle]

That's the sign of someone who's not planning ahead.

Just in general

[karmic rose]

go play spirit island

[dusty thistle]

I used to think that myself. Then I got good

[hollow oasis]

Monopoly has strategy

like sending yourself to jail

and like never leaving

and shaving dice

[karmic rose]

real mfs play Agricola and Castles of Burgundy

[dusty thistle]

There's a lot of strategy in monopoly around building trust

[fiery sleet]

first of all, ouch

second of all, this is patently untrue if you have ever seen me play a board game with actual complexity and a skill ceiling more than 6 inches above its floor

third of all, you've seen me play clocktower lol

[dusty thistle]

Sorry, that was mean

[fiery sleet]

yeah like never building hotels

[dusty thistle]

That too

[hollow oasis]

always 3 houses

also

[fiery sleet]

monopoly has 2 sentences of strategy and that's literally it

[hollow oasis]

destroy the housing market

[dusty thistle]

That is not true

[hollow oasis]

buy all the houses

if no houses on board: no-one can buy houses(intentional game design)

[fiery sleet]

• buy houses not hotels
• jail is good actually

[dusty thistle]

But oh well, I'm not going to convince you unless you try it

[fiery sleet]

ggez

also "go first"

very important

[hollow oasis]

also buy orange,red,yellow, and magenta only

[dusty thistle]

I could tack on 95 more sentences to that

[hollow oasis]

the rest suck ass

[dusty thistle]

Also not true

I've won handily off dark green before

[hollow oasis]

they're statisically the most likely to be landed on due to jail

[dusty thistle]

Oh yes, but others are really good

That's the best row, but it's not the only viable strategy

[hollow oasis]

(you can win off of red/yellow specifically) Green is ok I guess

[hollow oasis]

"boardwalk spammer"

[fiery sleet]

Again, my entire point about why I don't think monopoly is a good game:

Literally any aspect you like about monopoly has been done 10x better in a better game

[dusty thistle]

Orange is actually the best color

But moving on, now that I've opened myself up to the peanut gallery, let's do it again! Pineapple tastes good on pizza

[junior knot]

Tbh I don’t get the hate for villainous

[fiery sleet]

this I agree with

[dusty thistle]

It's slow and not very deep.

[junior knot]

Like it’s been fine the several times I’ve played with

[dusty thistle]

It's not bad, but it's not very replayable

[hollow oasis]

pineapple gives me a rash so

like yeah

[dusty thistle]

Oh, sorry to heard that.

[hollow oasis]

I don't like the knowledge of rash on my pizza

[fiery sleet]

but does it taste good

[zenith lotus]

its about the taste, not the symptoms 😉

[hollow oasis]

pineapple is mid

so like

not worth

[dusty thistle]

Also, can we talk about Risk?

[hollow oasis]

Risk is a bad game

[fiery sleet]

sure lol

risk SUCKS

[dusty thistle]

Tough game, but really fun

[junior knot]

Isn’t risk just a luck game?

[hollow oasis]

yes

[dusty thistle]

Oh hell no

Absolutely not

[karmic rose]

You're my goat

[dusty thistle]

Otherwise we wouldn't see my aunt dominating us every time we play

[karmic rose]

The only valid pizza is pineapple + jalapeño

[dry sluice]

You know what fruit tastes good on pizza? Cooked banana

[hollow oasis]

Risk online is actually better

[zenith lotus]

"only" is insane

[junior knot]

She could just be luckier than you

[fiery sleet]

Risk is a game, if you are in the know, about playing defensively until you amass enough resources to conquer the entire board in one turn

Since it inherently gives an advantage to the defender, there is no reason to attack unless you plan to completely overwhelm your opponents

[junior knot]

The only fruit that works with pizza is tomato

[dusty thistle]

We've played like 50 times

[hollow oasis]

I kid you not I played risk once

[dusty thistle]

She's won almost all of them

[fiery sleet]

Thus, risk is a game about taking goddamn forever to finish

[hollow oasis]

and we stalemated

for 5 hours

and did not attack

for 5 hours

Risk online is actually fun

[junior knot]

How’s online different

[dusty thistle]

Risk is a game about guarding your flank if anything

[dusty thistle]

It's faster

Auto die rolls

[junior knot]

Is that it?

[hollow oasis]

Online has a secondary rolling system

that is very meta-able on troop losses

(and there's no possibility of 30 guys losing to.... 3)

[junior knot]

But where’s the Sparta in that?

[dusty thistle]

I mean, this is pretty much true of normal risk as well

[fiery sleet]

Risk is my top 1 all time least favorite game

[hollow oasis]

yes but

it's possible

[dusty thistle]

You need to be obscenely unlucky for that to happen

[hollow oasis]

which is quite stupid

[hollow oasis]

other comparison includes "5 vs 3"

[dusty thistle]

Not a good idea.

[junior knot]

Especially when you can’t like train skill or nothing

[hollow oasis]

5 loss

[dusty thistle]

Like ever

[junior knot]

OK what do we think of deck builders?

[fiery sleet]

I love deckbuilders

[hollow oasis]

hate em

[dusty thistle]

Depends.

Haven't really played em too much.

I remember when I was really little I played Pokemon cards. None of us knew the official rules

It was mostly a collectibles thing

[fiery sleet]

that's not a deckbuilder, that's aTCG

[hollow oasis]

Trinity of man

[fiery sleet]

completely different genre

deckbuilder is like slay the spire

[junior knot]

Dominion vs yugioh

[fiery sleet]

where your deck evolves over the course of the game

[dusty thistle]

Oh then yes!

[hollow oasis]

I hate roguelikes

[dusty thistle]

Hell yeah

Though I also suck so...

[fiery sleet]

CLANK! is an archetypal example of a deckbuilder board game

and one I enjoy quite a lot

[junior knot]

Are there roguelike board game?

[dusty thistle]

I've never played a board game variant

[fiery sleet]

StS board game is also iconic

[dusty thistle]

There's an StS board game

And actually I think there's also a Darkest Dungeon one.

Though the rest idk.

[fiery sleet]

this term kinda doesn't make sense bc of the medium

Almost all board games involve randomization and resetting after you're done, to the point where not doing so is considered unique

Most board games are technically roguelikes

[junior knot]

I was trying to get into dcss/nethack type rogues but just sucked so bad I moved on lol

[fiery sleet]

and thus it doesn't make sense to discuss them as such

[junior knot]

By unique you mean stuff like gloomhaven?

[severe raven]

I didnt think I would like roguelikes I didn’t even know what roguelikes were until I played this one particular one that’s not at ALL representative of most roguelikes

[fiery sleet]

yeah, or pandemic legacy

pandemic legacy 2 is a goated game btw

[dusty thistle]

Pandemic, brilliant game

[fiery sleet]

highly recommend if you want something cooperative for ongoing game night plans

[dusty thistle]

Though I've played it less since well, you know...

So I looked up Monopoly's turn one advantage, it's not that high

[junior knot]

Pandemic Inc carried me through middle school classes ngl

[fiery sleet]

Pandemic I don't like as much, which is why I was more lukewarm about pandemic legacy

However PL2 completely overhauls the gameplay to better fit the legacy game formula, and it is amazing

[dusty thistle]

At least, not high enough that the more skilled player doesn't win on average.

[fiery sleet]

It's post-apocalyptic, and a big part of progression in that game is literally drawing your own connections between cities

As you reconnect the world or whatever

So you have so much control over how the map turns out

[severe raven]

I hate legacy games

[fiery sleet]

Which is super fun

[hollow oasis]

damn that sucks

[dusty thistle]

While we're on this topic, what do people think about Carcassome?

I'm thinking about getting it

[junior knot]

Not bad

Pretty simple

[fiery sleet]

Surprisingly solid. I've gotten many hours of enjoyment playing it

[hollow oasis]

I'm not much of a board gamer

[dusty thistle]

The main thing I worry about is it being basically budget Catan

[hollow oasis]

unfortunately

[junior knot]

It’s pretty different

[fiery sleet]

Considering that I dislike many similar games like catan, my stamp of approval on carcassone is pretty notable

[junior knot]

Although I personally prefer the hand variant rather than raw pure draw

[fiery sleet]

If you want a chill game with very low bar of entry but still a respectable amount of skill and planning involved, carcassone is a good pickup

Clocktower ain't a chill game once I get through with it buddy

https://tenor.com/view/i-saw-what-you-deleted-cat-gif-25407007

[dusty thistle]

Anyway, I'm just going to wrap up my Monopoly rant since I've had so much fun with it with my family. Monopoly has an element of luck, but it's not that big. I estimate luck is about 5% of what contributes to the outcome of a game. Monopoly is really about restricting your opponents' options. This is why the best properties on the board are not the oranges and reds like most people say. The best properties on the board are the railroads. This is also why the four house strategy works so well, since you restrict your opponents' ability to buy you out. A good understanding of how the balance between cash and property value works is crucial to winning. Ultimately, Monopoly is not my favorite game, and better games have definitely been made, but it's brutally hard and a fun game every time in my experience.

Also @fiery sleet I'm sorry about being mean. I really shouldn't have said that.

[pseudo fulcrum]

From a game design perspective, the fundamental issue with Monopoly that makes it take multiple hours, is the fact that the game end condition is opposite to what the players want

Since the game ends when a player (or sometimes all but one player) go bankrupt, but the goal of the game is to avoid going bankrupt, all the players are incentivised to do everything they can to keep the game going for as long as possible

This is why reverse monopoly sort of games where the goal is to lose all your money work better, since everyone is working to get closer to the end of the game rather than further away from it

[fast anchor]

-> Roiling Bog And Snagging Thorn

this one's tough

[dusty thistle]

Not really. The way to lose money is to land on your opponents' properties. The way to stop your opponents from losing money is to buy nothing.

Therefore, you get caught in an endless loop of going around a board, unable to progress because of the $200 bonus for circling the board in your pocket.

Ok actually now that I think about it, the actual strategy is to buy everything and immediately mortgage it

Which isn't much better. If normal Monopoly is more luck based than most games, this one actually is just luck.

And to boot, it takes longer than regular Monopoly.

Oh wait you mean games in general. This I am actually inclined to agree with you in some cases

But interestingly enough, games where this isn't the case, if designed well with people moving fast, actually end pretty quickly.

And also this isn't the case for Monopoly. The goal is to bankrupt your opponent, since if you do you get all their property. Therefore you're incentivized to buy a lot and knock out a competitor as quickly as possible.

[fiery sleet]

Apology accepted

[heavy sundial]

whenever I've played villainous (as someone who's not experienced) it has just been sitting there doing stuff until someone (not me) randomly declares they've won

from my pov

[barren sun]

Sounds like a kid playing at the park when slaughtering his victims. Something a bit similar to Lily Lovebraids (to whoever gets the reference)