secret thing

[junior knot]

you held up the toast

we cheersed it

[pure meadow]

hystrex because they made threensybucket

Anyways I would probably actually answer either hystrex or seanharrs because they are the two script makers who I most see making "bad" scripts (hystrex with stuff like quadjank which is my favorite teensy and sean with stuff ten pin tolling which I have seen the degrees to which certain people love it) and weirdly enough I really love the idea of "bad" scripts where even if a script is jank (or more accurately because a script is jank) there's someone out there who would love it. As sean himself once said "The secret sauce is that no interaction is cursed if your target audience likes it",

I guess they probably also make actual scripts, idk

[foggy grotto]

axo because she made the best script OAT!!!! paradox is also consistently putting out bangers

[naive flame]

@junior knot oh ez.

@lucid crag 's scripts were coolio

I liked Final Nail in the Boffin and also Whalebuffet.

[sour harness]

I make both yes

Recently I've been on the Good Scripts grind but soon enough I'll make another bad script dw

Livetext chaosgame 3 is just a matter of me finding the time

[uneven field]

I'm going to have to go with the transfems

this is the perfect answer, it allows me to be a narcissist and also credit other people at the same time

and also it allows me to shill the greatest script ever written, Sex & Violence

[barren sun]

Whoever made Whalebuffet, because they made Whalebuffet

[fast anchor]

Zets!! A lot of his scripts have really interesting high concepts they shoot for, and even if they don't always pan out, they're usually a lot of fun. When they do work, though, they work: A Grimm Chorus is still my favorite Summoner script released, and The Midnight Oasis is a classic for all the right reasons.

Cultists of Atlantis had a super cool starting point of Levi/Atheist, Pit-Hag and Vortox Go On Holiday is one of the old Lleech scripts that's good* and not bad (read: doesn't have Sailor/TL/Fool), Back to Basics and The White Glove Society are cool takes on what a beginner-friendly script looks like, and there are definitely a couple more I'm missing

Ooh, and his teensies are super fun, too -- Spooky Tea, Comrade Demon, and even The Minion Is Angel-Protected & The Demon Has 2 Bluffs is cool

[acoustic chasm]

I think for uniqueness, Alex for Fall of Rome. Widely considered one of the most polished homebrew scripts in the community, and for good reason. It's a truly unique experience and really fun to play and Storytell.

[hollow oasis]

Not the warrens? Smh

[olive marsh]

hystrex for quadjank and executionology, delta for tpot and stars edge. i like scripts that make me come back days later like “wait i just discovered this new interaction that only exists here”

[hollow oasis]

Damn I’m never gonna be on this list until new characters exist

[dense moat]

what new characters are you planning to script with?

[hollow oasis]

Specspoilers stuff

[dense moat]

(i couldnt tell ypu why i assumed that putting spoiler tagged stuff here would be a good idea)

[dusty thistle]

Don't worry man. You're still our #1 expert on all things Legion.

[junior knot]

and probably in the top3 for BMR consultants

[hollow oasis]

I do enjoy this title as well

[hollow oasis]

||J’nak||

[dusty thistle]

||Is the J'nak j'ank?||

[hollow oasis]

No

[grizzled marsh]

I kinda have to say Besjbo because he's behind both NWC and FYF

(Ik, FYF was with Mabel and i have no idea how much Besjbo contributed, and ik i'm gonna have someone that will say that if i didn't)

[karmic rose]

I don't think I have a unified criteria for this: depending on whether I phrase this question as "writes the cleanest script critiques and analyses," "has written the highest number of scripts I'd enjoy," "comes up with the most creative script concepts that are still good," or "has written scripts that see the most play in my groups" my answers are different.

That said, shoutout @simple crystal. I don't think I've seen a Safterix script that I didn't immediately want to try, and each script feels like a unique conceit without veering into gimmick territory.

(ok tbf "wizard outsider" was made for a gimmick script prompt)

[finite wigeon]

Tough call, but I think @worthy grotto

Dark just has a very solid grap on the game, and script design as a whole. It just kinda makes scripts that work and feel good in a way that is not easy

[worthy grotto]

omg? thats very nice of you 😭

[acoustic chasm]

I really enjoy Ride the Cyclone, it's so good. So I think Paradox would be my answer. But I do like how in depth Vati goes, and Vati has helped me a great deal make China Shop what it is today.

Also though I never have played Clockwork Cyborg, it looks like a really really good script

[karmic rose]

it's a banger

[fallow rapids]

My favourite scriptwriter is [your name here]. I really liked what [one of your scripts] had to offer, especially how it highlights [role, interaction, or mechanic]. I know that on [one of your scripts] the [role, interaction, or mechanic] is a bit strange, but other than that specific example, all the scripts are bangers. That‘s something really special I can say, as I can be very picky with scripts sometimes!

||in all serious this is me saying that you‘re asking me to choose my favourite mug. i love all of ny mugs. they are all different. but i still love them. how dare you even suggest i prefer one over the other||

||every time i play clocktower i want something different! kinda like ordering bubble tea. it‘s tough to say that i have a favourite script writer because no one individual ly covers everything i have wanted, currently want, and will want to play||

||wait i think the similes are trying to tell me i am thirsty||

i like Paradox because he‘s cool and has a very inviting way of talking about scriptwriting

(this is also the same for like, several others)

(this also isn’t want the question is asking, but i do note that the question is utterly open ended)

i like how axo's tumblr is so well written, and how vati and hystrex also have wonderful blogs

[dusty thistle]

Clocktower is just to broad for there to be on best scriptwriter.

Also I've noticed that every single breakout script is usually the product of the entire guild making suggestions.

[fallow rapids]

yeah there‘s an uncountable infinity’s worth of ways to be good

[tough silo]

Quilava the Goat

[dusty thistle]

Even though the author themselves is responsible for the script, the best scripts are the ones that everyone has worked on. At the end of the day, we're a team

[fallow rapids]

there‘s no wrong way to do anything

()

[modern plume]

-# I am a Quilava, not a Gogoat-

[karmic rose]

"hey guys i made a script around chaos and being able to change teams!!"

[tough silo]

Yeah for real, if it werent for you guys my scripts would be very very meh

[fallow rapids]

being wrong lets others be right

[fallow rapids]

ho guys i made my first scr ipt :)

[karmic rose]

needs investigator for that clockmaker synergy

[fallow rapids]

yeah, but the investigator vizier jinx is too good

how else am i supposed to have my 3 loud outsiders and Scarlet Woman

(alternatively i suppose you rule that the vizier is only not announced when investigator is in play)

(which is terrible)

[junior knot]

3 loud outsiders?

[fiery sleet]

Hermit thinks they are the snake charmer who got a hit night 1, but they are not

[junior knot]

and then get fang gu jumped to every night

[off script atheist]

[supple dirge]

[11/23] Reverse Q&A, post an answer TPI might give, someone else responds with the question

A: Some people think this is a 'yes but don't' but I think every ST should do this at least once.

[unkempt tangle]

Is it OK to let two demons of opposite alignment live at the same time on SnV?

[sour harness]

A: That was a typo. That ability never should have been published like that. Obviously.

[supple dirge]

Why does the lycanthropes faux paw register as evil to everyone and not just themselves?

[hollow oasis]

“No, it shouldn’t be like that”

[junior knot]

It should be coming out pretty soon.

[fast anchor]

Since there isn't Minion Info in a Lil' Monsta game, the LM/Magician jinx basically poppygrows the Minions, right?

[supple dirge]

Will there ever be an official clocktower cookbook?

A: If I have to choose, probably cult leader, or maybe wizard.

[junior knot]

What character works in theory, but is ruined by players having access to it?

[junior knot]

Why does @next marlin-mortis have [-1 outsider]?

[fast anchor]

A. Purple. Definitely purple.

[supple dirge]

What color will edd dye his hair next?

[acoustic chasm]

A. This interaction was not intended. I'd recommend making a ruling and sticking to it.

[dusty thistle]

What is the old Vigormortis-Mastermind interaction?

[barren sun]

Should you kill a Tinker on final 3?

[dusty thistle]

A: With time you'll realize it's the weakest one.

[fast anchor]

Ben, what are your thoughts on Steven compared to the other members of TPI?

[barren sun]

Isn't Spy like too overpowered? Like, they know everything AND they might seem as good to others, anyone could be framed as Spy!

[tough silo]

Socials and kill variation can still frame evil players as evil

[fiery sleet]

A: We're actually working on a Loric with a similar ability right now!

[barren sun]

Have you ever thought of a character that interacts with communication among players and language?

[tough silo]

He has i have seen a stream where he storytold a amnesiac character that was like that

[grizzled marsh]

"Would Ben ever do an offscript atheist game on stream?"

[fallow rapids]

“Funnily enough, every new TPI member we acquire suggests a character in that design space when they join! We have experimented with similar ideas internally, but it is intrinsically at odds with Clocktower, so we‘ll probably never do it.”

[grizzled marsh]

A: This is one of the very rare cases where you shouldn't accept this wish

[fiery sleet]

Can a wizard wish to restart the game?

[dusty thistle]

Can the Wizard wish to become the Heretic?

Can the Wizard wish for a winning lottery ticket?

[fleet hedge]

no way they'd say that

[fast anchor]

Can I make a Wizard wish that the ST has to give me $20?

[tidal quiver]

Your wish is my command! the cost is that the ST steals $25 from your wallet

[fiery sleet]

The cost is that you have to pay it back with 5% compounded interest

[barren sun]

Tinker isn't that much of a big deal outside of BMR
I'd do it

[fleet hedge]

which is why it's on BMR...?

[barren sun]

It sometimes appears on costumes

[karmic rose]

Will there ever be a third team?

[versed junco]

A: No, unless we get desperate.

[grizzled marsh]

Will exp3 release before 2028?

[fiery sleet]

Will Big Barnacle ever be officially released?

[dusty thistle]

A: You're hired!

[cold veldt]

hi this isn't a question but i came up with this really cool homebrew idea, basically it's a demon that starts with no minions and chooses a player to become evil each night. i posted it to reddit and they said it was really good, so i thought TPI might like it too!

[dense moat]

A: That’s why it’s Steven’s favorite character

[versed junco]

Why does Goon still not have a jinx with Summoner?

[dusty thistle]

A: Your mom.

[supple dirge]

What inspired the shabaloth?

[unkempt tangle]

When will Skinkulus be re-released?

[supple dirge]

A: Garden of sin

[dense moat]

If you had to cancel releasing one of the expansions, which would it be?

[junior knot]

Vortox. Definitely vortox.

[dense moat]

If you could put a different character on Bad Moon Rising, which would it be?

(ill give someone else a turn now_)

[pastel prism]

A: ||Fanzazz||

[junior knot]

If you had to add a second demon to trouble brewing, which would it be?

[pastel prism]

HA

[dense moat]

A: We don't run that rule ourselves. But if people want to use Djinn or Bootlegger for that, more power to them.

[unkempt tangle]

Have you considered having the snake charmer act before demon info on night one?

[fleet hedge]

and I would expect the customs are built such that Tinker is a big deal

otherwise it's a pretty shit custom

[junior knot]

Shouldn't people not be able to talk after they die? I mean they're dead after all

[unkempt tangle]

Have you considered allowing players to have private chats outside of the circle? (/j)

[dense moat]

A: Yes, that would be a good way to use the Pacifist

have to

[fleet hedge]

Shouldn't people not be able to breathe after they die? I mean they're dead after all

[unkempt tangle]

Should the pacifist ever save the lleech host?

[junior knot]

Should i save the lleech host with the pacifist?

[unkempt tangle]

Lol

[zenith lotus]

sniped

[fleet hedge]

should the Pacifist not save to make them look suspicious?

[supple dirge]

A: I wish we could go back and change this but its too late now, I think werewolf does it better.

[unkempt tangle]

Should the pacifist only save players who can be framed as DA protected?

[junior knot]

Should the paci save the drunk sailor?

[junior knot]

Why did you call them demons? Isn't that really satanic?

[dense moat]

Can you run a day without private chats?

[unkempt tangle]

Have you considered not telling players when their character or alignment changes? That way you can do mind games and convince players they are different characters

[unkempt tangle]

Why does clocktower nominations take so long. Why not just have a system where everyone points at the end of the day

[junior knot]

Q from a new TB player: how are you supposed to solve anything when you can't trust any of your info?

[dense moat]

A: One of those characters will be on the TOMB

[junior knot]

A: No, that is not how that interaction works. Do you even know how to read?

[junior knot]

What's the difference between goblin and saint?

[grizzled marsh]

Can you give a cool fact about every released characters?

[unkempt tangle]

Can the unjinxed sage see the recluse as the demon that killed them?

[dense moat]

Can I use Buddhist to stop players from claiming Juggler?

[unkempt tangle]

Can I misregister the spy to the washerwoman?

/j.

[supple dirge]

Can I add an evil team in with an atheist by breaking the rules?

[dense moat]

A: That’s the Storyteller’s problem

[unkempt tangle]

Does the Boffin townsfolk ability in a Vortox game yield false info?

[junior knot]

If anyone can claim to juggle/gossip etc, wouldn't everyone do it?

[junior knot]

Not a yes or no question

[dense moat]

A: Yeah, that is one of our most controversial characters

[junior knot]

What do you think of Ben?

[unkempt tangle]

Fixo

[unkempt tangle]

Why did you let spy see the whole grim. Isn't that too strong?

[junior knot]

A: Oh, yeah, we run everything by that homebrewer. Nothing gets published without their okay. I swear by them, they're the best unofficial TPI employee we've got.

[dense moat]

What is your relationship with Elluna? She’s a pretty prominent homebrewer

A: We never actually considered that. It never came up during playtesting.

[junior knot]

Can a Wizard/Amne/Athesit make the game P2W?

[supple dirge]

Whats the deal with snake charming first night? Isn't that pretty lame?

A: I think you should try spec and spoilers on discord to answer that question

[junior knot]

A: Honestly, I think being online may have ruined it.

[junior knot]

what's the biggest conspiracy theory you personally believe in?

[dense moat]

What characters are on Midnight in the House of the Damned?

[dense moat]

How do you feel about the Wraith?

[junior knot]

A: No way, that's my favorite too! you have good taste.

[dense moat]

Why did you drop Rogue? It was my favorite unreleased character!

[supple dirge]

Whats your favorite custom script? My favorite is trouble with violets

[versed junco]

Why did you drop the Argentinian Piledriver? It was my favourite way to wake players up!

[dense moat]

A: Clockwork Cyborg

[unkempt tangle]

If the poisoner can poison anyone, doesn't that make everyone's abilities meaningless?

[junior knot]

What's your favorite Lord of Typhon script?

[supple dirge]

What's ben's nickname around the office?

[unkempt tangle]

A: Yeah, If we could go back in time and prevent one character release, that would be the one.

[junior knot]

Why did you release lil monsta without a writeup?

[supple dirge]

Why is butler a good character? My players never like playing it.

[fallow rapids]

i love mango biscoff sorbet

[supple dirge]

A: There's a secret reason its like that you'll see once the expansions release

[junior knot]

Why does Vizier have outsider mod?

A: Yeah, 2 probably was not enough. If we released it now, I probably would bump it up to four or five at least.

[versed junco]

Why did my copy of BOTC come with a note written in blood that said "THERE IS NO TOMB, TRUST NOT THE DECEIVER'S WORDS"?

[junior knot]

that wasn't blood, I had ran out. It was just peanut butter by that point

[supple dirge]

Why is SnV considered 'the madness script' even though only 2 characters deal with madness?

[dense moat]

Why is the Lycanthrope’s faux paw global? That’s so unnecessary !

[dense moat]

Why do so few characters on BMR do resurrection?

[junior knot]

A: It's like that intentionally. That way you get the best of both worlds.

[dense moat]

Do you ever regret releasing Cult Leader?

[hollow oasis]

What color should I make the Traveller icon if I’m bad at painting?

[junior knot]

A: I know, it doesn't really fit. TBH we got that name from one of those online name generators. We just couldn't figure out what to call it.

[junior knot]

what color are the most trustworthy commentors/mods on the unofficial discord?

[dense moat]

Why is the company called the Pandemonium Insitute anyways?

A: We have a 12 page document in progress just to cover that.

[modern plume]

Q: Can I have a short explanation for what causes a Mathematician ping?

[versed junco]

Should the Cerenovus be allowed to choose the Storyteller?

[supple dirge]

Can't spy just register as good then out the demon and win with good?

[junior knot]

Why can alignment misregister to the ogre?

[dense moat]

A: One time, Jams drew that character and she poured herself some liquor right away.

[supple dirge]

What do you do if you accidentally put the drunk token in the bag

[junior knot]

Who's the best artist on the team? I really want to comission some No Dashii fullbody art

[supple dirge]

A: We suggest you don't play with people like that

[dense moat]

I have a lot of trans friends. Should I invite them to play some Trouble Brewing?

[modern plume]

Q: What's been the consensus on the upcoming new character that Patters designed?

[junior knot]

Q: Why are there only two teams?

[dense moat]

A: He really shouldn’t have said that publicly. It’s been a nightmare for us.

[supple dirge]

Are you tired of everyone asking when the expansions are coming out?

[unkempt tangle]

Why do Washerwoman/Librarian/Investigator see two players?

[unkempt tangle]

Why did you make that awful Magician-Legion jinx?

[supple dirge]

A: If you want that you should play a different game

[junior knot]

Why can you drunk the poppy grower?

[junior knot]

Can i make my players kiss with the atheist, like in the Sims?

[dense moat]

Do I have to wear clothes while playing?

A: People keep saying that. We still don’t know why.

[junior knot]

What is berk? What does it mean?

[supple dirge]

Should I put first time players in an atheist legion game, everyone tells me its a bad idea.

[uneven field]

hermit

[dense moat]

Cass secret thing time

👀

[uneven field]

hm?

what does this mean

[dense moat]

Oh just that you are really witty and it'll be interesting having you doing the question

Like answering the current one and adding stuff for people

[uneven field]

well now the funniest thing to do would be to play the straight man

but straight men are boring

[dusty thistle]

What about the only sane person?

[uneven field]

that is what that means

pretty weird expression tbh

[dusty thistle]

that is the joke

[uneven field]

I know, I was playing the straight man

[dense moat]

A: That's the best part. You don't

[dusty thistle]

I walked right into that one.

[uneven field]

S&V, next question

[uneven field]

this is a top ten compliment honestly

[dense moat]

Today's wondeful question

[dusty thistle]

How should I punish this absurdly overpowered wizard wish?

[dusty thistle]

Alternatively: How do I run a sane Atheist game?

[dry sluice]

Any tips for getting Ravenkeeper info on TB?

A: It's fine. Evil can bluff it.

[junior knot]

A: Have you tried, just not doing that?

[dense moat]

(spec & spoilers) ||You said Inquisitor was a long ability. What's it like now?||

[dusty thistle]

My group keeps hard checking for Vortox, what do I do?

[dusty thistle]

Hey, hey, spoiler tag

[dense moat]

I forgor 😭

[junior knot]

Why doesn't monk protect during the day?

[dense moat]

Why is Evil Twin on Sects & Violets?

[uneven field]

A: We like to engage with our fans as much as we can, we're very proud of the community our game has fostered and part of what makes Blood on the Clocktower so great is our fantastic player base. That being said, absolutely fucking not.

[dusty thistle]

When are you going to become open source?

[junior knot]

Have you considered making any homebrew characters official?

[dusty thistle]

A: Keep going. They'll stop complaining eventually.

[modern plume]

Q: Is a strip BotC version coming out and would you ever stream that?

[junior knot]

can someone do the bonk so i can react with it too?

[dense moat]

Could you nerf Poisoner? I'm trying to build a script with Poisoner, No Dashii, and Drunk, but no one likes it

[dusty thistle]

Here's another valid answer to that @modern plume

[uneven field]

My group is getting tired of beginner scripts but because we have a rotating cast and new players join us often, I can't really run more complex scripts

[uneven field]

generational loric

[junior knot]

Hey, you can already do that with zenomancer techincally...

[modern plume]

Nothing stops you from using Zenomancer to make a strip BotC game

[dusty thistle]

Give me a refund

[junior knot]

Oh god, strip BMR would take absolutely for-fucking-ever

[uneven field]

that's what makes it so good

[junior knot]

if every time you die you have to remove a piece of clothing, and only die for real once you can't

[uneven field]

you either go long or you go fast

[modern plume]

For everyone's sake, I'd rather the Grandmother and Zombuul not get involved in strip BotC

[uneven field]

I have seriously considered in the past: BMR but it's a drinking game

why not strip also

[junior knot]

cass would prefer the second to join

[dusty thistle]

Po...

[uneven field]

hell yeah I would

[dense moat]

does Zombuul even wear clothes?

[junior knot]

this too

[junior knot]

it wears someone else's skin?

[uneven field]

zombuul wears clothes, they're just very old and tattered

[junior knot]

Q: Which characters do you think would look best naked?

[dense moat]

actually, if all Demons are possesing spirits, then Zombuul is just Really Determined, despite also being lethargic

[dusty thistle]

A: Sometimes a character is stronger out of play and that's okay.

[junior knot]

Why did you allow self removing hermit?

[modern plume]

Q: Why did you design the Marionette?

[grizzled marsh]

STOP SNIPING ME SMH

[dense moat]

Can you please buff Vizier?

[dusty thistle]

No no, the answer to that is going to be that you aren't using it properly

[uneven field]

My group wants me to run an atheist script but I don't like putting that character in the bag, what do you suggest?

[uneven field]

highest winrate minion btw

[dusty thistle]

That's false, but I have a theory for where Ben got that

[grizzled marsh]

Wasn't this debunked?

[dense moat]

A: Just use social reads

[uneven field]

maybe? I don't care, I get all my news exclusively from Benjamin Burns

[grizzled marsh]

How are you meant to win GoS?

[junior knot]

What do I do when two evils keep getting into f3 in a Lil Monsta game?

[uneven field]

literally any complaint about tb

[dusty thistle]

It is a lot stronger with a higher skill group, and Ben was citing that when the app was in its early days. Naturally, since he plays at the very top, it's where its the strongest.

[dry sluice]

Can a Voudon travel out during a vote to make a bunch of dead players accidentally spend their ghost votes?

[junior knot]

ok but this is what the ferryman was built for

[uneven field]

this is NOT what the ferryman was built for

[dusty thistle]

That's probably where the statistic comes from. It's extremely hard to use, but it becomes a nightmare to deal with when used properly.

[grizzled marsh]

What was the ferryman built for?

[dusty thistle]

To be another fabled/loric nobody uses

[uneven field]

new players who aren't so good at voting

[uneven field]

fake

ferryman is so good

I love it

[dusty thistle]

Also something something climactic finish something something

[junior knot]

you just don't play with new players enough

[dusty thistle]

I think it's good in theory, but I've never seen it used.

[uneven field]

I have an advanced script with ferryman on it

[grizzled marsh]

Why is TB the most played script?

[junior knot]

Why do soo many STs swear by a f3 to the detriment of fun/agency?

[dusty thistle]

Ooh, show me!

[junior knot]

you don't have to be new to play TB

[uneven field]

I haven't been posting customs so much recently, so it hasn't been shown off in a while, but tentacle yuri is a ferryman script

[dusty thistle]

A: Please just play TB.

[junior knot]

Which of the Baking/Onion/Pies/etc variants do you think is best for a new player?

[uneven field]

this is an old version

acrobat is gone, replaced with princess

[junior knot]

Q: I have this homebrew demon that starts with no minions but progresses by turning players. Want to see it?

[dusty thistle]

Ew, Baron+No Dashii

But other than that it's cool

[uneven field]

???

[dense moat]

A: We probably should've done different flavor text.

[dusty thistle]

Well-known broken interaction.

[junior knot]

at low player counts you can have practically no sober TF in the bag

[uneven field]

I've heard a lot of complaints about tentacle yuri character combos but that is a weird one

[dense moat]

Lycan Lleech is.... a choice

[uneven field]

this is one of those complaints

pit-hag lleech is also one of those complaints

[dusty thistle]

Is Summoner+Lleech another one?

[uneven field]

it is a janky script, but it is a very fun script

[dusty thistle]

Oh totally, but I can see a lot of things here.

[uneven field]

I am a staunch baron no dashii defender though

[junior knot]

( ) can be a legit bag here

[dusty thistle]

Don't you just love having one townsfolk that gives good info?

[dense moat]

build a better bag

[uneven field]

a lot of the complaints about this script can be solved by the storyteller not being a fucking maniac

not all, but a lot

[dusty thistle]

Hey, I want to put engineer in play, any tips?

[grizzled marsh]

What did the first semi-open playtest of MHD looked like?

[junior knot]

My players have not been having fun playing SnV, so I've been building 1 minion games until morale improves. Any tips?

[dense moat]

How do you think the community will react to ||Nun? ||

[dusty thistle]

Spoiler tag!

A: That is probably the biggest mistake we have ever made.

[junior knot]

A: Because I said so, that's why

[dusty thistle]

How is clockmaker balanced?

[supple dirge]

Why can hermit remove itself?

[dense moat]

Why doesnt Demon with a boffin Sailor drunk itself?

[junior knot]

How did Steven Medway get to be lead designer at TPI?

[dusty thistle]

||So tell me about the Skinkulus||

[uneven field]

like everyone keeps saying "oh this is funny on tentacle yuri, you should remove one of those characters" when is a valid BMR bag

[dusty thistle]

Who's going to tell her this is a relatively speedy Zombuul bag...

[junior knot]

you know people do complain about that too?

like i see where you're coming from, but that is definitely a thing that happens to official scripts too

[uneven field]

it is every slow character

plus godfather chambermaid

[dusty thistle]

Execution Protection speeds up Zombuul.

Remove all of it.

[uneven field]

speeds up zombuul to one kill per night

not guaranteed

[dense moat]

What did Steven Medway have to say about ||the most recent version of TOMB?||

[uneven field]

this is like an eight day game

[dusty thistle]

A: Who's there?

[uneven field]

wait I know this one, it's in the changelog

[junior knot]

What's the new LM/Vizier jinx?

[uneven field]

none of the new jinxes are in the changelog

I'm very upset about it

[junior knot]

Q: what's the point of the wiki?

(this is like the ultimate that's what she said prompt, and I am here for it)

[uneven field]

rather, none of the changed jinxes are listed

there's so many new ones and I keep learning about them randomly

[supple dirge]

Q: How do you feel about people making homebrew?

[uneven field]

I learned about the new alchemist organ grinder jinx recently and it blew my mind

[dusty thistle]

Q: Are you running out of time to do this?

[junior knot]

that's the one with XoR the sobriety of Alch/OG right?

there's not a newer one?

[uneven field]

I don't speak that language

[dusty thistle]

If both are sober, both are drunk?

[uneven field]

If the Alchemist has the Organ Grinder ability, the Organ Grinder is in play. If both are sober, both are drunk.

[junior knot]

if both are drunk, both are drunk

[dusty thistle]

A stitch in time saves time

The end is never the end is never the end is never the end...

[junior knot]

Q: what was the previous iteration of Seamstress flavor text?

[uneven field]

I don't like a lot of the alchemist jinxes but admittedly that one is very cool

[junior knot]

Q: Why do so many people advise against and being on a script together?

[dusty thistle]

A: You've ruined it.

[supple dirge]

A: We never thought people would really do that, we thought everyone knew it was a joke

[junior knot]

What's the official stance on off-script atheist as an official character?

[tardy wyvern]

i am fairly certain that this is just because the wiki isnt updated yet

[supple dirge]

What do you think about TB + Marionette?

[uneven field]

I actually think it might be the only one I like besides boffin? alch-marionette sucks, alch-wraith sucks, alch-spy sucks, alch-widow sucks, alch-mastermind sucks, alch-summoner used to be better and then they made it worse

[dusty thistle]

A: I have to answer this question on a weekly basis, check the FAQs.

[uneven field]

assassin goon interaction

[dusty thistle]

Alc-MM has potential in the Minuit engine, so there's that.

[uneven field]

what

[dusty thistle]

MM is proxy loud

Alc also has potential playing off the Al Had-MM jinx

Regular MM is less ideal.

[fast anchor]

When will Bombs and Bow Ties become the 4th base script?

[dusty thistle]

I take it you're enjoying the game?

[fast anchor]

Answering would probably be gamestate-indicative, so I'm not going to

[dusty thistle]

Ok, I'll ask again when it ends in about a day.

[supple dirge]

Why are you Australian?

[west fox]

A: Probably Courtier

[supple dirge]

What character would you want to party with

[sharp violet]

A: No, you can't use it like that.

[junior knot]

What are your thoughts on Active Baron?

[dense moat]

Which characters would you headcanon as gay?

[pastel prism]

A: Well, well, well... look who finally figured it out.

[fiery sleet]

Do you guys ever actually give your demons bluffs or is that just a noob thing?

[supple dirge]

Did you realize Sects and violets sounds kinda like sex and violence

[junior knot]

Is patters chaotic playstyle not actually that great for IRL games that aren't designed for content?

[supple dirge]

A: That was all Ben's idea so blame him for that one.

[dusty thistle]

Who had the bright idea of putting Marionette on TB?

[fleet hedge]

enemy territory

[fleet hedge]

bra1n, what's your favourite Goblin script?

[fleet hedge]

1 Townsfolk ability in 9 player games btw

and with Drunk here that's out of 4 people who think they have one

and probably out of 7 people who claim they have one

No Dashii/Baron hatejinx is not a good solution either

[uneven field]

that's a regular low player count baron problem

[junior knot]

No dashii is a second baron though

[dusty thistle]

One that adds two drunks that don't register as drunks

[fiery sleet]

11/24: What's your proudest botc play (either as a Storyteller or as a player)?

[tough silo]

I am still too green

[fiery sleet]

You can still be proud of your accomplishments

[modern plume]

#the-day-the-music-died
Murdering Kisa.

Jokes aside: I was the Gunslinger and got the town's trust in me being Good. On the day after a Minion was executed, I convinced the town it was safe to execute the Goblin claim, on the basis that it was a Minstrel night and that either we win executing the Demon or that we kill the Goblin and get another Minstrel night safely while they were drunk. The Goblin claim of course claimed to be a Goblin, but it wouldn't matter if they were drunk when they get executed. The votes came in and were in with an overwhelming number.

... I then shot the Minstrel.

I was the Evil Gunslinger, and came up with the whole strategy when things were looking bad for Evil, exiled the other traveller first (they were a Gangster and could potentially kill the Demon), nominated the Goblin, ensured they got the message to claim Goblin, got as many votes as possible, before shooting the Minstrel, ensuring the Goblin was now sober.

Town had to waste so many ghost votes to lift onto the Marionette instead. In the end, Good still won, but it was close. Evil went from a situation where we were doomed to one where Good had to play perfectly to win.

-# There was no way I could possibly excuse murdering the Minstrel after everything I had set up, so I went ham going outed Evil, playing it up and making regular 'American Pie' references to hammer in what I had just done.

[fiery sleet]

My answer is managing to get a legion win by framing a kazali world so hard that town didn't even consider legion. A spent golem got saved by the pacifist and I spun it as "oh evil must really be losing to use the pacifist's ability like that... must be a kazali with the minions dead already". Then in f3 it was me (legion bluffing mayor), a town crier, and the steward-confirmed pacifist. The TC had a ping on a day with only me nomming, and I used that to push hard into "your info is bogus, if you think I'm the Minion then why aren't you nomming the Demon. Clearly you're the evil one here". We managed to get town behind that and execute the TC.

[fallow rapids]

my proudest moment was alsaahir guessing correctly in a lil monsta game

i was also poisoned

in this server, my best play is probaby traveller baiting the demon day 1 (i made one joke and a very silly Direhands outed the minions immediately without even consulting the Spy)

i drew a whole comic for that

good times

https://discord.com/channels/1317487976309329920/1418654115722039439

i would have said it was the Gas Lit Haze game because I actually built the right world in that one, but extasly played better because she gaslit me into reading her as good

[dusty thistle]

12 player TB game. I am the imp, naturally. I get my info, and my bluffs: monk, recluse, fortune teller. First day goes by without a hitch, I pass the bluffs to my poisoner. Then one of my minions nominates the virgin. Okay, they're the spy. I decide to go all in, and starpass night 2. Next day begins and my poisoner has the demonhood. I catch wind of an investigator and pray it's a spy ping. It's a poisoner ping. Well crap, now I have to keep an investigator ping off the block. My spy fills me in on the grim, which, of course, contains a sober empath between the mayor (the other ping) and the undertaker. The only advantage we have is my spy and I are some of the most trusted players on the grim. What followed was frantically building worlds where my poisoner was good while doing everything I could to make town as unenthusiastic as possible about chopping into the pings. We were eventually able to frame the empath as the drunk, the mayor as the poisoner, the ut as the spy, and the washerwoman as a starpassing imp. We finally got to final four, where we managed to convince town to execute the mayor after the demon had the idea of sinking consistently to deny the mayor win as we had the advantage in fiddler. In a game with no misinformation, not even bluffed (both my spy and I gave true but misleading info from our bluffs), we got town to distrust all of it. Easily my best evil performance to date.

Here's the grim. This is from before my rebrand to lemonlemonlimey. I apologize, there was one piece of misinfo, Flux misregistering to the washerwoman.

[tough silo]

Gas lit haze its sooo good

[versed junco]

Rolled Cere in a small game. N1 made someone mad as the Atheist (he had been the Atheist last game and had made a big show of it. I had thought to myself, "If I get Cere I'm making him mad" just before I got my token, and I simply couldn't resist). He got executed d1 for it. N2, made someone mad as Gossip because someone else had claimed gossip to me in a chat and I wanted to create a double claim. It worked, the mad player broke madness and got executed. N3, made someone mad as the Snake Charmer before being starpassed to. The player obviously kept up madness, not knowing the Cere ability was gone, and was executed. Me and the dead imp coordinated kills, thanks to our friendly neighbourhood evil Bone Collector, and won by double killing down to 2.

I controlled every execution that game and it felt glorious.

[grizzled marsh]

#5-days-on-day-3
TLDR: Politician win while in a librarian ping (along with the magician)

[karmic rose]

that was such a game

I'm thinking about this question and realizing I might be bad at clocktower

or rather, the games I best enjoy and the games I win are largely uncorrelated

[uneven field]

I named that one :)

so named because it felt like an entire leviathan game's worth of developments all happened in the weekend-extended day 3

[hollow oasis]

Legion win:

I setup possibly the biggest conspiracy ever

Right side of the Legion? The BH sector, pushing on eachother

The Left Side? Pithag Division

[olive marsh]

in my first ever game, final 3 was me, my poisoner, and the empath who had sat in between us — entirely sober and healthy — for the whole game (we won)

[hollow oasis]

So we had a Good Nodashii claim

[uneven field]

I've made a lot of big plays and I have a bad memory so I don't know what to say for today's question

maybe Harold Holt's Chessboard

[hollow oasis]

and we won due to executing a good player every day

[uneven field]

despite losing, I played a blinder there

[hollow oasis]

Because it’s not legion surely

[uneven field]

oh a semi-recent one that was very clean on whalebuffet was me mez turning the confirmed virgin without them even realising I snuck the word into the conversation and then manipulating town into executing the klutz the next day

that was a very clean win, nobody saw it coming

[tepid shard]

A good player claimed no dashii in a legion game???

[junior knot]

A legion claimed to be a good player pit hagged into no dashi

Amid other pithag claims

[tepid shard]

Oh i see

Usually when legion does stuff like that you can usually hardsolve legion, I find! It must have been coordinated super well!

[dry sluice]

My proudest play:
I was the Investigator seeing SW. I kept quiet, guessed which of my pings was the SW, and faked a good ping on them. On the final day I revealed my info and correctly theorized that the Imp was tricked into starpassing to my SW ping.

I'm proud of that play, but unfortunately it got me in the habit of always lying and keeping my info secret. I've only recently corrected away from this

[hollow oasis]

Legion gets hard solved when they don’t do anything

[tepid shard]

Yes but also when 3 people bluff widow pings in a 12 game and they all die that also hardsolves legion

There is a middle ground!

[hollow oasis]

I coordinate these things

[tepid shard]

Impressive!

What format?

[hollow oasis]

I mean widow is def worse than ET at this

[hollow oasis]

app

I basically went

“Ok you claim Good Nodashii tomorrow, my savant info is gonna say yesterday a goon was made(told a player to act suspicious)”

And I told the artist to ask a demon 50/50

It’s why I love legion so much

(And honestly? Wraith)

[tepid shard]

Mmmn, coordinating this sort of thing is easier in app than irl! Tbf its why i like to play online games every now and again, it allows some balls to the walls evil plays that don't quite work irl

[hollow oasis]

Wraith without opening your eyes for anything except minion/demon comms slaps

[tepid shard]

Although I still prefer irl

[hollow oasis]

Whispers do exist n1 technically

[finite wigeon]

Script based on unreleased editions, and not my play:

||I will never stop thinking about that Legion game where a good player tricked me into not trusting my bluffs because a player I didn't know was evil had claimed one of them on accident. Evil won that game because a member of Legion convinced a good player that they (the good player) were the Demon.||

[hollow oasis]

That makes a coordinated widow ping easier n1 when people can’t see whispers

[tepid shard]

People can't see n1 whispers on app??

[hollow oasis]

I meant in irl

(When people’s eyes are closed)

[junior knot]

during the demon info step

[tepid shard]

My group frowns upon that sort of thing tbh

Like demons are generally expected to not tell minions their type and vice versa

[olive marsh]

why?

as i understand it, the reason for players to not start sharing stuff like info and claims before day 1 starts is because good players can get meta-confirmed if it goes wrong and so it’s just easier to avoid it entirely

that problem simply doesn’t exist with evil coordination

[dusty thistle]

||Peak MHD||

[fleet hedge]

low player count Baron is 3 Townsfolk abilities, that's not a problem

1 Townsfolk ability is

that's a reduction by two thirds

incredibly damaging

[dusty thistle]

It's not any better at high counts either, scoring 3 and 5 townsfolk respectively, which is not enough for good to counter with the increased number of evils

[junior knot]

** [11/25]: ** What's your favorite two character interaction that gets ruined (or supercharged) when you add a specific third character to the mix?

[grizzled marsh]

+ (couldn't think of anything else)

[junior knot]

One example of each would be

1. Vortox x Damsel + Boomdandy (not a great one, forgot the original i was thinking of)
2. minuit engine. ( x + )

[grizzled marsh]

I don't get the first one at all

[junior knot]

Damsel can volunteer to be vortox food (not claiming damsel specifically, obviously) but boomdandy makes it risky to go for

[grizzled marsh]

Ok i'm tired

[junior knot]

Another could be lycanthrope x mayor + assassin

[fiery sleet]

when the walks in

also gets a lot funnier when enters the picture

[dusty thistle]

Look, x is amazing, one of the few good interactions. So why did you add ?

[dense moat]

in a bar: walks in & everyone cries

[dusty thistle]

For something a bit more down to earth, x is great (assuming choirboy of course). Things get difficult when you add

x is all fun and games until is on script.

[grizzled marsh]

Talking about this: + . I was the no-dashii

[little summit]

;

[hollow oasis]

OG doesn’t affect CL

Unless you mean alignment chicanery

[junior knot]

maybe they're talking about executing the evil cult leader

[dusty thistle]

Awwww...

[tacit fiber]

probably #an-agitprop-and-a-chair-walk-into-a-bar

I’m the NWC Agitprop (better Cerenovus) long story short, I chose executions, the demon chose nightkills and we won an all evil final 3

[low umbra]

Ojo x damsel
Third character is probably one of snitch, boffin, or the like

Just… making damsel a core loss condition for the good team is such an interesting element of a script imo

[dusty thistle]

Barber, easy

Tacking on barber takes it from a cool interaction into "the ojo wins"

[low umbra]

That would indeed ruin it :p

I was more going down the ‘supercharged’ direction, making it even more interesting

[junior knot]

Oh so evil learning more out of play characters so damsel can get caught in bluffs more easily?

[low umbra]

Yeah, pretty much

[barren sun]

Too many to remember. Countless incredible moments I've witnessed and a fair amount of them had me as the main character. I have a list of personal completed quests on #game-highlights

If I had to choose just one though, probably winning a Whalebuffet because, and only because: the Demon killed the King, who had had a chat with me day 1, then got 1 day of info, and was confirming me as the Mayor, which is what I had been claiming since day 2 after a Wraith was outed... Little did they know... I was not the Mayor...

[barren sun]

I can't think of a specific one rn, but I'd bet my soul on A + B +

[naive flame]

@dusty thistle Letting someone flip sides(Goon/Ogre/Politician etc...)

[naive flame]

I have
• won as minions faking Hatter

• I won with only n1 info of Math which was a Math 1

• Solved a game of Musical Chairs(12 seaters and it's 3p) — This was fun

• Played Many RP games

• Won as Vigor by not killing my DA(Custom Script)

And much more..

But I think the best play, not from mjne but from @eager knoll is #slay-the-damsel ...

[dusty thistle]

Why am I being pinged?

[11/26] What is a script idea you think has potential but you've scrapped?

[naive flame]

Be Careful What You Say, my Teensy Script was a script focused on Yagga

But because of well the constraints of Yagga being able to potentially end the game in just one night.

I scrapped it and turned the Script to a dubleclaiming and madness-centered and focused script

There's also Mind the Exeuvtion

A BMR like script where Execution are beneficial information.

And noms and votings..

But again

The idea was scrapped bc it leads to game lasting over 8+ hours if you think about it.

[dense moat]

THere's on that I havent come back to

Upgrades: a script with Plague Doctor & abilities that are given to Minions (Spy, Goblin, Scarlet). But I havent seriously considered that one in a long time

[lost thistle]

solo Legion script

i scrapped it because there werent enough good characters for it

[fiery sleet]

Insomnia, a Levi script with no night phase after night 1. Turns out the eligible character pool just doesn't contain a full fun script in there.

[fast anchor]

lycanthrope/mastermind is cool in my head and nobody else's

[junior knot]

just execute the FP on a mastermind day, EZ

[dense moat]

I thought you said that’s like really bad

At some point

[fast anchor]

Oh I absolutely have

but it's a siren song I can't resist

I always end up being drawn to scriptbuilding it even though I know it's an objectively terrible idea

[dense moat]

What even do you need at that point? Like resources to confirm alignment or which dead players are evil?

[fast anchor]

because aaaaa it's so COOOOOL THE LYCAN WANTS TO SELFKILL SO BAAAAD

[junior knot]

ALL the Birds!

[dense moat]

Oracle was indeed a consideration

Mfw when I learn the Lycan faux paw

[junior knot]

why do you think i reacted goblin immediately after it, axo?

[junior knot]

wait... make it stormcaught lycan

[fast anchor]

welcome to Hell

[fiery sleet]

stormcaught lycan with on script boom

[junior knot]

is that an existing script or a comment on my suggestion?

[coarse fern]

Is this really that cool

[fast anchor]

YES!!!!!!! But only in my head and nobody else's

[junior knot]

you don't need boom you have mastermind

[fast anchor]

also respond to my neighbor whisper in zenofishing

[junior knot]

you just need to make the demon po

[fiery sleet]

well for when they inevitably ask to be executed so they don't obscure mastermind stuff

[junior knot]

no the demon claims lycan and gets exed to proc mm

and you don't have the instant conf of a boom

[coarse fern]

God forbid a guy wake up first

[coarse fern]

I mean like I see what you’re going for it just feels like the kind of thing that would be pretty sad in practice

[modern plume]

I might have a script you'd like, a twisted one but with ideas you could build with

[sour harness]

Every once in a while I try SnV x MHD again and it never quite lands

[fast anchor]

thank you pebbles :)

[tidal quiver]

I like the question! But I'd say a script designed to maximize good players' paranoia with things like legion so that the nightwatchman (with no boffin specifically) can be like the centerpiece/light in the darkness for some poor scared good player

I don't quite think we have the tools for a super paranoid good team yet that doesn't look exactly like Dusk in the House of the Damned tho

[fallow rapids]

currently, my backlog is:
pacifist-legion script
pacifist-lleech script
pacifist-solo script

[fiery sleet]

I'm also still enamored by Boffin-Tinker-Zombuul but it's more of a one-time gimmick than a piece of an actual script

[junior knot]

...

[dry sluice]

Demons are Al-Hadikhia + Vortox. Held up by Boffin, Engineer, Lycanthrope, Goon, Summoner. It's very close to working but idk if it'll ever get there

[junior knot]

ok how do we feel about a Lunatic + King + Mario etc type of Tor script, where the demon (no grimpeekers) is the only one who kinda knows what's going on

probably throw on just for fun

[ebon idol]

Yeah this kills a lot of my script ideas

Too often scripts evolve into “oh I am just slowly making TB / BMR / SnV but worse” and dusk is defined enough that it gets it’s own pull towards it

I think I got as close as I can to that idea with my LoT/Fang Gu script but it has it’s own issues lol

[tepid shard]

Tor is a goodsided fabled because of the permanent poppygrower effect. To compensate, good players should always be hedging because they could be evil, but it is also appropriate for evil players to be able to know these characters exist, and then be able to bluff accordingly.

Tl;dr I'm a fan

[cyan reef]

I ran Tor fishbucket once (I run fishbucket where I'll skip over the randomly drawn characters if it'll be simply unfun for that setup) and ended up running Lil' Monsta

decided to run it straightforward where the Minions wake together and choose the babysitter

ultimately figured this balanced fine with Tor

[junior knot]

** [11/27]: ** What is your top pulled character (as a player) or top character you've put in the bag (as ST) [can probably ignore Imp for more interesting answers] and what is your favorite script it's on?

I mean you can answer imp if you want, just with the amount of TB STs run where you are forced to include it, it might be more interesting for your 2nd in that case

[fiery sleet]

Innkeeper is probably among my most bagged characters. It provides a lot of useful good-originating confounds

[junior knot]

(if you are more of a theorycrafter than player I guess you could also answer with one you script with the most, but that's probably best for a different question 🤷‍♂️ )

[fiery sleet]

is a cheeky answer as well

[junior knot]

I mean if you want to misread it in that way

[fiery sleet]

I run legion way way less than VI tho

[junior knot]

< ~3/8 of the time?

bc otherwise sheer quantity may overpower it

[fiery sleet]

Yes (I've only bagged legion one time ever but I've bagged VI probably upwards of 10 times cuz it goes on way more scripts than legion does)

[grizzled marsh]

(unsurprisingly, 16 times), but for a long time it was (13 times) and i have no idea why i pull this character that often
Fisherman is a complete mistery to me because i pulled this token 10 times, 7 of them being outside of teensyville

[tidal quiver]

I don't keep stats so I've no idea (my confirmation bias says ravenkeeper tho, love that). Although, I like the funny statistic that if I recall my most played character on the official app is somehow Hermit, I think playing it twice in like ~10 games

[next marlin]

I don't have it logged quite closely enough to be sure but I have an ongoing observation that 90% of my outsider tokens are Klutz or Recluse

I have only rolled imp once and it wasn't on TB

[hollow oasis]

I've been the cerenovus

16 times

Clockmaker 12

oh you mean

[tidal quiver]

dont tell vati that I've never been the cere to my recollection

[hollow oasis]

I don't even know what I put in the bag tbh

I don't even spam legion

[junior knot]

no im asking about both

but also so fulltime STs and fulltime players and hybrids all have something to answer

[foggy grotto]

the official app says my most played character is undertaker but i’ve played a lot of unofficial app games as cannibal

[lean isle]

My most pulled one is Village Idiot (5), followed by Chambermaid and SW (4 each).

From what I've put in bag, probably Fisherman

[karmic rose]

I run a lot of Trouble Brewing with a mix of player experience levels, which means that I put a lot of Scarlet + WW + Librarian in bags

I also tend to ST much more often than I play, so I'm not sure I have a token I draw a lot in objective numbers? In my irl group, though, I can't think of a time No Dashii was in the bag and I didn't pull it

[tardy wyvern]

strangely I have an uncanny gravitational pull toward the mutant token

[warped urchin]

If we are ignoring imp then undertaker (as a player)

There was a time irl where I drew imp 5 games in a row

So uh

Yeah

[dusty thistle]

I pull Philo a lot, weirdly enough.

[tough silo]

are my top 3 good characters

These 3 are my favorite characters also

Each night* a different ability and not knowing my ability are absolutely peak BOTC

In the storytelling perspective i think Savant and VI are almost in a shape or form in any of my games.

[barren sun]

"Choose a townfolk" , from Whalebuffet . I think Mayor or CB is my top choice but I'm not sure

Whenever I storytell I always shuffle the bag unless I'm really not feeling like dealing with Pukka

[eager knoll]

In TB:

• I rolled Investigator, saw a Baron, walked up to both of my pings and claimed separately to be their Washerwoman (successfully guessing their roles off process of elim D1)
  • I nominated the Virgin, who was the Drunk, who I immediately clocked as the Drunk. Since I didn't die, we execute me to Drunk-check me. I speak to the Undertaker who confirms me and I immediately tell them my info, and how I've convinced both my pings I confirm them. Since it's Poisoner/Baron, the evil team most likely is convinced I'm the Drunk, which still works since I nominated the Virgin.
  • The next day, I asked for the Virgin to be nominated in the case of 1. drunkcheck 2. possible evil.
  • I very last-minute lifted the votes on the Virgin onto the Demon who was bluffing Librarian, because every living player had voted the virgin. The Demon-Librarian is bluffing Drunk pings on me/FT but I was confirmed by UT, so I consider them a better Drunk/evil-check.
  • Not everyone is convinced (Minion panicking), and I out as Investigator to convince everybody. The real Baron was bluffing Empath with a 1 on two Townsfolk (unaware there was an Investigator with a ping on them), which allowed me to narrow down the evil teams to 2-3 possible teams by D2.
  • The early dead and well-trusted FT had been poisoned to see a no on the Demon. I convince everyone to shoot into the Demon, because they're still a likely minion candidate. We win on D2.

[warm gate]

i'm not sure what my most pulled character is but for some reason one of my STs IRL keeps making me the Drunk VI when I pull the VI token which is probably the closest i can get to an actual answer

[barren sun]

Ykw, I changed my mind today; I once outed day 1 as Spy and immediately went around the clock publicly giving everyone the Grim. Suddenly all confirmation characters were obsolete and all power characters were murdered by the Fang Gu. We stomped good with 2 evils alive on final 3.

[fiery sleet]

I'm assuming you didn't out the rest of your evil team lol

[barren sun]

It wasn't a Lleech, so I couldn't and just outed their bluffs

[unkempt tangle]

Why can't you just tell your demon in private

[low umbra]

Intermediately experienced player was the investigator, I gave them a true poisoner ping including two new players, one of which was the demon (no SW)

The investigator never acted on their pings until f5, at which point it was too late cause the spy was also still alive

The spy saw the ping and was like ‘hey, wtf’ and I was just like, ‘please trust me, I think this will be interesting and balanced’. Turns out I was right and the group (other than the investigator) meta’d that the demon was outside the pings unless a star pass happened. Evil won that game

[sinful onyx]

Vizier harpy is one of the few things that vizier is actually good at

vizier boomdandy helps boomdandy

but harpy boomdandy make everyone who's harpy mad goes "ehh they're obviously evil as f but boomdandy"

[supple dirge]

These are my most drawn roles, I've played TB far more than any other script so they are my most played roles. I'm also somehow drawn to snake charmer which fits me.

As ST I have no idea what I put in play most

[low umbra]

Do you tend to play smaller games of TB?

[supple dirge]

They tend to be all over the place, though you can usually play two 7 players games in the time you can play a 15 player one

[barren sun]

I asked what they were bluffing and told everyone that was their character

[28/11] You are storytelling a Whalebuffet! If you have the opportunity, which character are you making the ?

[warped urchin]

I mean it depends what was picked....

Bounty hunter

Screw that guy

[junior knot]

bc it just violates a core agreement

i would do the same with as a TF, because just let people stay the roles they picked

[warped urchin]

Are you even allowed to pick engi on whalebuffet

[junior knot]

idk never actually played whalebuffet

[hollow oasis]

depends

Original whalebuffet?

pithag/engineer are banned

Greedy Whalebuffet? They're nerfed to hell

(Pithag is every other night, Engineer is n3 onwards)

(oh and evil learns the engineer is in play)

[warped urchin]

Diabolical

[dusty thistle]

Philo. No becoming a Politician for you.

Or VI, because it's stinking broken.

[ebon idol]

mayor

no particular reason

[junior knot]

wait do you do lunatics in whalebuffet

[tough silo]

If its greedy whalebuffet yes

There can be lunatics in whalebuffet

[flat lintel]

11/28: Who/what are you thankful for? (Botc context)

[warped urchin]

Someone already did a today question

[flat lintel]

(I didn't see this, my bad)

[sharp violet]

I'm picking the
No reason why

[barren sun]

RAW, you can have multiple lunatics

[fiery sleet]

sounds juicy

[foggy grotto]

and I'll show the most insane fucked in-play roles

[lean isle]

I love it

[tidal quiver]

kenoboi gets it

dw kenoboi I'm going choirboy

and/or huntsman depending on how I feel

oh wait I misread the question

[junior knot]

I'm gonna drunk the ; stay in your lane

[unkempt tangle]

its a shame king in whalebuffet is so sad

[barren sun]

Night 2 you show them Riot wait it's perfect

[barren sun]

How dare you stating that my liege isn't optimal?

||I've gone CB 17 times on Whalebuffet.||

[junior knot]

how are you showing them a role n2?

[barren sun]

King-Riot Jinx!

And you can tell whatever you want to the Drunk

[tidal quiver]

soril gets me

(this was when I misunderstood the question and said what I would choose in whalebuffet)

[unkempt tangle]

Dreamer is fun for same reason

[junior knot]

Show every person as /

Except for one and one

[low umbra]

It’s a shame king is so sad

[coarse fern]

Lycanthrope

[abstract cosmos]

there hasnt been a question for today has there?

[warped urchin]

29/11 does not have a question correct

[abstract cosmos]

[Nov 29] Where is the strangest place you've encountered something botc related?

[low umbra]

I’m pretty sure I had a random encounter with someone who had BotC-related merch at a shopping centre one time and had no clue who they were and knew they didn’t play in any of the in-person groups I knew of

I didn’t have a chance to talk to them or anything though

[supple dirge]

A found the game for sale a few years ago at a small board game store in a mall in Arkansas. They had like a dozen games for sale on a small shelf and one was clocktower

[next marlin]

Looking at my 20 game rolling average of "last games STed", during a period where I made a conscious effort to run fewer Savant scripts and rack fewer Savants, there are 10 players drawing a Savant token in the 13 games where it's onscript

[dusty thistle]

Of all stinking places, a random YouTube channel that does not play board games or social deduction games.

[coarse fern]

Discord

[barren sun]

I once showed this to a drunk Dreamer, and the next night /
Thank God I was muted I was laughing so hard

[digital drum]

Gave +1 Thanks to @junior knot (current: #1614 - 8)

[barren sun]

What the, wha-?

Wizard are you God?

I might not understand how that bot works

[cold veldt]

you pinged him with "thank" in the message

[modern plume]

No, clearly God's disguise as Wizard got exposed due to Dash

[barren sun]

I stumbled across a Leech the other day on my backyard

[modern plume]

Were you able to find the host?

[junior knot]

They became the host

[finite wigeon]

my dreams, easy

[supple dirge]

[11/30] What clocktower merch/accessories do you want that doesn't exist yet?

[sinful onyx]

vizier crown

[supple dirge]

I'd love the vizier icon, I'd love to having it irl like this one

[finite wigeon]

I bought a 3D printed red octopus from a Ren Faire in honor of No Dashii

I bought the GoS boots and I love them dearly, so umm. Cheaper boot options ig would be nice

An official Grimoire sticker set would be hype. Or really just like, print a bunch of tokens as stickers so I can just show people "yeah I love botc, here's my favorite character!"

[finite wigeon]

In fact I know that method is a good convo starter! My main handbag has a homebrew character of mine embroidered on it (long story short, my highschool music teacher had a lot of tote bags lying around and he's fucking awesome)

[uneven field]

golem plushie

pixie teddy bear

[next marlin]

I want enamel pins of every character and also I've considered 3D printing a Vigormortis pendant

[atomic ravine]

Any and all things yaggababble related!

[fiery sleet]

Village Idiot lollipops! They're sold in packages of 1-3, and 1 of the extras is a weird flavor

Alternatively, lil monsta plushie that's sold in massachusetts

[karmic rose]

wait maybe I should get jewelry bench access for character icon pendants

[junior knot]

Script themed playing cards

[tidal quiver]

honestly botc playing cards would go so hard

each suit is a different char type

[dense moat]

Travellers are the Jokers

[tidal quiver]

wait true I want this now

[dense moat]

The rules card is Fabled

[junior knot]

Face cards are minions/demons depending on suit

[dense moat]

https://tenor.com/view/rouxls-rouxls-kaard-rules-card-deltarune-chapter-3-gif-759415463646402902

[junior knot]

Townsfolk outsiders for number cards depending on suit

[low umbra]

Tricky thing is there’s more characters on a script than in a deck of cards. Sure there’s the right amount of TF, but I think the other char types have more iconic characters

[tidal quiver]

I was thinking clubs as townsfolk, spades as outsider, diamonds as minions, hearts as demons

[low umbra]

Maybe just exclude some of the more boring TF and have an outsider as the ace and some evil chars as the face cards?

[dense moat]

well real cards already have two red suits: hearts and diamonds

and red is the color of evils

[junior knot]

Instead of black the other suits are blue

[junior knot]

There are about 13 non-TF on a script tbf

[low umbra]

Well, 12 from a non-TB script. It doesn’t feel like it quite fits. Maybe just me

[unkempt tangle]

I like this best

That way we get equal representation

And there are more than enough outsiders, minions, and demons to do this

If we include experimental characters

[tidal quiver]

it'd be kinda fire to have the ace of [townsfolk] be the steward, the 2 the knight, and the 3 the noble for that clean 1-2-3 pattern

but perhaps there are more iconic townsfolk than those 3

[unkempt tangle]

8 of diamonds gotta be Xaan

King of Hearts as LoT

[unkempt tangle]

There are a lot of townsfolk that get pings of 2

[junior knot]

I feel like interesting Aces could be

and maybe / / / for the last

[fiery sleet]

12/1: What are two characters you love, but interact so poorly that you don't put them together?

[warped urchin]

Atheist legion

[fiery sleet]

For me, it's Vigormortis (probably my favorite character) and Fearmonger

[dry sluice]

Puzzlemaster / Fang Gu

Honorable mention: Amnesiac / Gossip (but it's not that the interaction is bad, it's that they are star-crossed characters that do not belong on the same script)

[hollow oasis]

oh simple... wait nvm

is it bad that I don't know

[coarse fern]

Golem and Psycho (sorry Steven Medway)

[low umbra]

I’m not going to lie, I have several characters that I’ve wanted to make work and thought they’d never work

And then I made a script with a bunch of those interactions on it and I really like it

Alch+poisoner, philo+courtier, and boffin+philo are all things that I think are lowkey broken

But they all exist on my most recently made script

[marsh pike]

Yaggababble / Gossip 😔

[modern plume]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-evil-smile-evil-grin-evil-hands-scheming-gif-8631977381446511842

Keep this list coming, I need more combos to build scripts around

[modern plume]

-# You might like my script Golden Border of Prester John, it put these two together in a way I believe works.

[marsh pike]

can I see?

[marsh pike]

Leviathan Princess

[marsh pike]

good luck

[modern plume]

Stormcatcher favors the Gossip

[marsh pike]

so how could gossip be helpful here potentially

[modern plume]

They can kill the Soldier, the player protected by Monk, the grandchild (without killing the Grandmother), and on any Princess night

Yagga can't without poison help or lying Evils

[marsh pike]

very niche

[modern plume]

Cannibal, Philosopher, and Pixie can also double up on a number of these abilities

[marsh pike]

I feel like Math could be replaced w something else

[modern plume]

It can detect the Widow poison, Marionette, Recluse misregistration, Sweetheart drunk, Philosopher drunkenness, and Princess night.

[marsh pike]

yeah i just think its situational

and most of the times with those examples

you already know its happening

plus you already have acrobat

you dont need 2 droison detection roles

imo

[modern plume]

Some of these effects aren't droison. (Recluse, Marionette, Princess)

[fast anchor]

Chambermaid/Amnesiac

It's not, like, awful, but an evil being able to bluff amne with a "just trust me bro" waking pattern is... unideal

[dusty thistle]

Organ grinder/Flower girl

Bad for obvious reasons

[unkempt tangle]

You still would need to come up with an ability with that wake pattern. That seems like a good interaction to me

[fast anchor]

It's not like that's very difficult? Maybe if you're exactly the Godfather it's challenging

But Amnesiac claims always being safe against Chambermaid feels pretty bad to me, idk

[next marlin]

In the end you're bluffing Amnesiac

Writing an amne ability that isn't stupid and is Chambermaid-safe is not something everyone wants to do

And you still clear them of being incompatible evils

[unkempt tangle]

Any evil bluffing anything that aligns with their wake pattern is safe from the chambermaid

I think that's a good thing

[junior knot]

yes, but then you have to decide between bluffing ability wise or waking pattern wise

which can get tricky

ie DA bluffing non-sailor exe survival or spy bluffing a T4

[acoustic chasm]

Yeah I think this isnt as big an issue as being said.

Likely this comes from me thinking chambermaid is too strong...

But an Amne ability that shares a specific waking pattern with evil needs to be thought of and bluffed beforehand. I think it rewards evil being creative with their bluffs

[unkempt tangle]

Mastermind bluffing Minstrel is always safe from chambermaid, and that is also a good ability bluff

But I wouldn't say this is a problem at all

Chambermaid shouldn't always be able to identify evils

I'd go as far as to say Amne Chambermaid is a great interaction, exactly because it lets evil hide from CM

[sinful onyx]

wait until the amne ability is "you wake as the type of demon ppl think you are"

[fiery sleet]

"If you get executed, become the zombuul" (this is clearly townsided because uhhh dw about it)

[sinful onyx]

this is not townsided

[fiery sleet]

yeah I think I needed a /s

[supple dirge]

Amne ability that you count for player count while dead like zombuul would be funny

[sinful onyx]

but it doesn't do anything
cuz town just exe wrong on f3 and demon proceeds to kill amne

[supple dirge]

It would only do something if you kill on four, and go to final 2 + dead amne

[barren sun]

Beige hoodie. Bloodstains and blue flowers all over it. "Would you like a Flower? I'm so lonely." in an eerie font on the front. The character token on the back.
Lavender T-Shirt.
"Nice argument.
Unfortunately,
I am the Goblin "
The Goblin character Icon.

[barren sun]

and /
I feel like either one or the other should be the main conversation theme in the endgame, but never both. Two different movie genres that I don't want to mix :v

Also into the feels so wrong

[finite wigeon]

/

Before the hate jinx you could script with them just fine, but with the hate jinx it just doesn't work anymore and it's so sadge bc like

I love Baron and Heretic

[fallow rapids]

this isn’t actually a bad interaction but the jinx is too wack for me to care

[carmine dome]

Wait wym

Sage wont learn recluse

[fiery sleet]

they can

[fallow rapids]

because of the jinx

[carmine dome]

They can but recluse isnt the killer

[fallow rapids]

read the jinx

[finite wigeon]

Jinx clarifies that they can

[carmine dome]

Oh

Didnt know there was a new jinx

[fiery sleet]

It's definitely annoying as the sage

[finite wigeon]

I didn't realize this was TB and I was a n3 Invest

[fallow rapids]

:reading_comprehension:

i knew someone was gonna say that the sage can’t learn recluse so i specifically wrote “because the jinx is wack”

[dusty thistle]

[12/2] What is your favorite absurd clocktower edge case that is NOT a yes but don't?

[junior knot]

Can I say quadjank?

Im gonna say quadjank

[dusty thistle]

Yes

[modern plume]

Well, I already told ya one, so I'll just mention it here again.

There's a lot of wacky things you can do with Recluse. A lot of them are "Yes but Don't", but others can be quite fascinating to build around.

One wacky one is with Boffin-Alchemist-Scarlet Woman. Normally this would be very pointless with the Demon, as they already are the Demon. But if the Recluse dies, you can register them as a different Demon type, and change the Demon into that.

[hollow oasis]

interesting...

[dusty thistle]

My favorite has to be yag-witch-grandmother. If the yag kills the grandchild to fake a witch kill, the grandmother instantly dies. This is in ST hands, but it's hilarious.

[hollow oasis]

surely this is done on a heretic script

[junior knot]

ok but you say this like the yag actually chooses

this is fully the ST's choice

however you can also witch kill someone and then yag kill an evil player bluffing their grandmother

[dusty thistle]

don't mind me editing it to make you look like you're saying something weird

Another funny interaction is using the alchemist and boffin to create an infinite chain of recursive chemistry.

Start with a boffin giving the alchemist ability giving the boffin ability giving the alchemist ability giving the boffin ability and so on ad nauseum.

[junior knot]

this doesn't work with old alch

i think you'd have to have a philo intermediary maybe?

[dusty thistle]

I was about to ask if quadjank had philo

[junior knot]

it does

or you could go the PD route

and have neither in play

(PD is not on quadjank)

[dusty thistle]

So yeah, on quadjank you can start it with a philo-alc.

Infinite chemistry to drown your friends!

[junior knot]

*role boffin

[low burrow]

Boffin (Minion) - Experimental

The Demon (even if drunk or poisoned) has a not-in-play good character's ability. You both know which.

**Affects Setup: **False

[junior knot]

*role alch

[low burrow]

Alchemist (Townsfolk) - Experimental

You have a Minion ability. When using this, the Storyteller may prompt you to choose differently.

**Affects Setup: **False

[junior knot]

ok so for boffin, is the character not in play or the ability not in play?

because for the sake of this that's a somewhat relevant distinction

[modern plume]

Boffin-Minstrel.

If a Minion other than the Boffin is executed, everyone except the Demon is now drunk.

[junior knot]

-> ->

[dusty thistle]

Boffin has so many shenanigans. Boffin recluse blocking slayer shots

[junior knot]

oh register as minion

got it

ok, get this -> in

[dusty thistle]

One legion has a boffin ability, but the best part is it can float!

[junior knot]

honestly / is a pretty interesting space

[junior knot]

its not

[junior knot]

alch too, but slightly less so?

[dusty thistle]

You can bounce the boffin ability between the legion players

It was done in a TPI video

[junior knot]

its soo funny to wake one demon and tell them you have the scarlet woman ability

[fiery sleet]

Yeah, it's a near requirement in my legion script building

[dusty thistle]

Here's one: spy executed cannibal sees the grim.

Now this is a yes but don't unless the cannibal is evil

[modern plume]

Apparently Spy must do both parts of misreg

[junior knot]

i mean pithag can make all sorts of cannibal shenanigans possible

[modern plume]

They can't just register as a 'Good Spy'

[dusty thistle]

*role spy

[low burrow]

Spy (Minion) - Trouble Brewing

Each night, you see the Grimoire. You might register as good & as a Townsfolk or Outsider, even if dead.

**Affects Setup: **False

[modern plume]

That said, you can always just poison the Cannibal, mislead them to believe they have the Spy ability, then... show them the actual Grim?

[dusty thistle]

Oh yeah, that's pretty clearly an and

[junior knot]

hey you could be an evil outsider

if you're being pedantic

(ignore the missing an)

[dusty thistle]

Poison the evil cannibal and "pretend" they got the spy ability... somehow. Hilarious.

[fiery sleet]

You can give a spy-lunch cannibal any sober town/outsider ability

Oops you're a tinker now gottem ggs

[dusty thistle]

Me on my way to artificially make a plague doctor ability.

[fiery sleet]

do this on a script with hermit PD tinker just for this

eat the spy --> make new spy

[dusty thistle]

Sadly this only works once. Unless we add an ability duper of course...

[junior knot]

double the ; I love it

[dusty thistle]

the

[junior knot]

omg; i just realized that if the die hard franchise had the same naming conventions as Fast and the Furious; number two might have been called 2 Hard 2 Die

sorry, probably not the right channel, but this convo inspired it

[dusty thistle]

TB one that's pretty funny, use the spy to float the fortune teller red herring

[foggy grotto]

Fang Gu and Goon

[fast anchor]

oooh fun question!!! for yes-and-do, misregistering an executed spy as an Outsider to the Godfather so they get a kill

it's not something that you do always but it's a sometimes thing, you know?

[acoustic chasm]

I think that's cool

[barren sun]

Whalebuffet and all its variants

Also the evil cannibal eating the Spy and seeing the grim is a no but do

[pseudo fulcrum]

not sure if this is my favourite but I was recently reminded of the Fang Gu's ability to jump to the Spy

[supple dirge]

I also like spy turning into the farmer

[fallow rapids]

i wouldn’t because this kinda defeats the minigame that the fang gu is supposed to be playing and why it has +1 outsider

[lean isle]

Alch, Boffin and Recluse are pretty fun together due to Boffin being able to give ability to the Recluse.

[modern plume]

There's a lot of fun possibilities with that

[tough silo]

Can the boffin give two abbilities at the same time

[modern plume]

I once had an Alchemist-Boffin give the Recluse the Slayer ability

[modern plume]

Outside of Barista, no

[tough silo]

It must be or the recluse or the demon right?

[modern plume]

-# Unless you're being pedantic and counting giving Philosopher as counting twice in one person

[tough silo]

Not both

[modern plume]

Yeah, Boffin can only give one ability at a time to one person

[fallow rapids]

alch boffin recluse is both NWM and instant Pixie so i‘d hesitate to use it unless the script writer really asserts that it is good

[tough silo]

Xaan and vortox for good measure

[modern plume]

I built two bags when I ran Alch-Boffin-Slayer for the Recluse.

The other bag was LM with Boffin and Xaan (1), where the Recluse would be allowed to confirm themselves to the detriment of the town's ability to realize its Xaan 1.

I just ran the one where Alchemist was actually in play

So it's not a perfect NWM and instant Pixie

[fallow rapids]

script writers when [insert thing here], “xaan and vortox”

Alch Boffin Slayer Recluse is pretty fine because it‘s a pretty ok trade offer

the boffin is still NWM in that scenario though

[modern plume]

-# Also Oracle was in play, so it had another major cost for confirming the Recluse

[fallow rapids]

okay yeah then that tips it over into being balanced

[modern plume]

Honestly it was just hilarious having some Slayer shoot themself and it worked

Just 7 minutes into the game's start (this was a longtext game btw) and someone just shoots themself

[fallow rapids]

“Seat 5 claims Slayer... and shoots themself! It‘s a bold strategy, let‘s see how it plays out... ”

[karmic rose]

yes I'm a huge fan of this

[junior knot]

don't you mean seat 7?

[junior knot]

its honestly a fair tradeoff. It loses the +1 evil and still spends the evil nightkill, as well as consuming a minion ability in exchange for a potentially facedown host

[fallow rapids]

there is more than 1 seat in blood on the clocktower

[carmine dome]

Could you give boffin ability to a recluse?

[zenith lotus]

yep

[foggy grotto]

ND poisoned Philo not waking up anymore if the ND poisoning goes away

its so fringe and yet ive seen it happen THREE TIMES in the last week and the ST ran it wrong every time

[junior knot]

[12/3]: How often, in your experience, has extra evils actually been a problem in a real game? Specifically multiple potential extra evils on script/in bag/in play in a way SOI doesn't fix: eg. Goon/CL or Ogre/BH not Barber/Pithag/Mez

[hollow oasis]

probably the worst place to ask that question

(who do you know here that does that)

[junior knot]

Like I know a lot of times (especially in #custom-script-discussion ) we will point it out as a major issue, but how much of a problem is it in reality

[junior knot]

i mean where else am i gonna ask it? #quick-rules-questions ?

[hollow oasis]

a different server

[junior knot]

this is my only botc server (aside from my irl group)

[hollow oasis]

get tf tier

go to the official

actually

[junior knot]

there's an official?

[warped urchin]

I played a 9 player typhon game where the pit hag made a goon and then a hermit goon

[hollow oasis]

yes

[junior knot]

this is news to me

[hollow oasis]

but you have to subscribe to the patreon

[warped urchin]

Final 5 was typhon, pithag, the other minion, the hermit and me

4 evils in f5

[junior knot]

wouldn't it be even worse to ask there?

[hollow oasis]

at least a few of them actually run multiple extra evil scripts

notably, the cust-script-discussion isn't as...

how do I put it

"Hardline"

[grizzled marsh]

I've had a 9p fang-gu + goon (+ poisoner) game. I'll let you guess which team won (not mine)
I also played a game meant to have fun with extra evils & a fabled that prevented the last good player from dying at night & extra evil votes don't count. It ended on final 6 because all alive players became evil, but here people signed up for that

I don't remember having other experiences with 2+ extra evil players tho (legion excluded)

[thorny summit]

I played in a LoT game where our wizard wished for a player outside of the line to become an evil Scarlet Woman (evil tpk'd due to good players using dead votes early, resulting in evil voting majority)

The wish's price was that a different minion died, but it was still really rough on good

[dusty thistle]

I had a LOT game where the politician played for evil the whole time, even when everyone knew they were the politician. That was an interesting experience.

I haven't had another problem since I refuse to play on +2 evil scripts otherwise.

It wasn't exactly a bad game of clocktower, but it was really weird. The script was actually pretty weird in general now that I think about it.

The politician, for the record, lost with the good team.

[barren sun]

Whalebuffet; it's a problem proportionally tied to the players choices, so it's not a problem until someone begins complaining evil outnumbers good when 3 players chose ogre and ST didn't use SOI. Play another script man :/

[brittle bridge]

Once because I made a script with a pit hag that had some niche interaction I didn’t realize was on the script because the character (I don’t even remember which, maybe summoner) wasn’t even the main focus of the script and then the players realized mid game that a three way character interaction allowed them to create potentially three or four extra evils

It was funny and the players chose not to do that but they did point it out to me mid game

[tough silo]

Zealot + 1 evil its problematic if not dealt by town

[uneven field]

lufthansa lost my luggage :(

anyways I'm back guys

and so can answer questions

I'm pro broken scripts personally

I think you should be able to have up to five evils in a 12 player game

[finite wigeon]

Dawg even +1 extra evil feels problematic sometimes

Extra evils are one of the biggest boons you can give evil. It's all the strength of madness, poison, the nom & vote power of killing good players, and has even more benefits than just that

[tepid shard]

Especially at 10 imo

I find 10 is the most awkward player count with extra evils

[hollow oasis]

Not 7?

[junior knot]

7 goes too fast

[tepid shard]

7 you execute an evil d1 anyway on socials, and then probably misexecute in f5, and get the solve f3

[tidal quiver]

yeah the problem with 2+ extra evils isn't that it's scary to have 4 evils in 9p or 5 evils in 12p (though that is still very strong), it's base 0 and 1 games. You can meta the storyteller because they won't make an equal split/majority evil so that the game is winnable.

[low umbra]

I have only ever had broken games where the potential for 2 or more extra evils was in the bag. I specifically remember a LoT game with a cult leader and a politician, evil had voting majority d2 with only the politician

[tepid shard]

To put just +1 evil into context at at 7p: if you execute a good player d1, the next execution has to win the game for the good team, and all 4 good players must vote perfectly

[low umbra]

When teensy moments come to life in non-teensy games

But in a bad way cause at least teensy games are lower time expectations etc

[fallow rapids]

[December 4~5]
Which jinxes would you add to Clocktower?

[unkempt tangle]

There are base script interactions that would be jinxes