secret thing

[uneven field]

it's not my taste but I recognise your game

[zenith lotus]

is legion anything

[dusty thistle]

And Vizier is fascist

[hollow oasis]

Anarcho-communist

[dusty thistle]

Hive mind.

[pastel prism]

Revolutionary: they stand united with each other forever
Zealot: literally just a regular person who happens to be bloodthirsty
Riot: the embodiment of violent conflict, as i said

[uneven field]

I am all three of those things

[dusty thistle]

Aren't they contradictory?

[uneven field]

no

[dusty thistle]

I'm curious here mostly, would've thought they were contradictory

[barren sun]

Oh yeah it's s definitely Spanish-speaker, but given Spains history I'd say it's probably someone from LATAM. (Spanish-native here, we didn't have that many important revolutions)

[uneven field]

communism is anarchistic and socialist inherently

[dusty thistle]

But yeah, I could totally see Riot being war.

[uneven field]

I'm judging you a bit for atheist and empath

[barren sun]

Would y'all love an assassin?
||(I would)||

Barons a jerk with a nice top hat

[dusty thistle]

Vizier is either fascist or monarchist, and I'm not sure which

Probably both tbh

[uneven field]

vizier is, and I know this might come as a surprise, a vizier

[barren sun]

Fair enough

[dusty thistle]

Yeah, but those held differing political views.

[uneven field]

again not my personal preference but I get it

[dusty thistle]

Some of them weren't even treacherous!

[uneven field]

I'm not just into any old murder committer, they've got to be a little crazy

[pastel prism]

would Marionette even be able to consent?

[dusty thistle]

My interpretation is that it's one of the demon's victims, now repurposed as a mindless vessel

[uneven field]

the marionette doesn't know they're evil, they do know they're an adult

[dusty thistle]

So the actual person is dead, and you're talking to the demon

[uneven field]

I always thought of it as more of a political puppet

someone who is convinced that what they believe in is true when they're a pawn

[dusty thistle]

That's also a possibility. But I've found a lot of political puppets know they are evil, but they think they are pulling the strings.

[uneven field]

sure, could be the case, remember this is a demon we're talking about, they could think they're just regular human scummy and not think they're an agent of satan

in practice you usually tell the marionette and then they play for evil

[dusty thistle]

You don't play the puppet they way I do clearly

I usually string them along

[pastel prism]

i think the Marionette's abilities fail because the Demon controlling them makes them botch the procedures needed to accomplish it. a marionetted Investigator mixes up the evidence, for example, and the marionetted Lycanthrope's strings prevent them from actually reaching anyone they try to maul

[uneven field]

oh I do for a while

it's good to have them know how to vote on final day though

[dusty thistle]

That conjures the hilarious image of the marionette having giant strings coming off them and everyone in town ignoring it

[pastel prism]

i imagine they're invisible but yeah that's hilarious

[dusty thistle]

Oh, you do play it like I do. Nevermind.

[pastel prism]

my own funny vision was the Marionette Lycanthrope snarling and drooling and thrashing, trying to reach their hapless victim, and the strings just pulling them back

[uneven field]

me telling the marionette they're evil right as everyone's sitting back down in the circle for the final day of nominations

[barren sun]

I would consider putting the Marionnete higher if it was me, but I have a feeling their not consensual about their situation

[pastel prism]

yeah same here, i would put them in the F-tier equivalent if i cared enough about the sexual attractiveness of characters from the game Blood on the Clocktower to even make a tier-list in the first place

[uneven field]

unnecessary shade

[pastel prism]

sorry 😭

i just don't care enough myself

[barren sun]

If I'm lucky enough to have a spy and non-self-provable neighbours, I'm 100% marionneting both of them

[uneven field]

I need to update my list because it's pre carousel

wraith ranks high, hermit is neutral, the rest rank low

I'm not into royalty or the christian god or whatever the hell cacklejack has going on

[junior knot]

[10/13] In honor of the birthday of a close family member, what theme would your favorite (or least favorite) character's birthday party be?

If it's easier, assume they are around 12 years old, or in that middle school phase where they are old enough to have solidified their childhood interest, while not being old enough to start worrying about being cringe. They are at the point where they can be enthusiastically their fullest self (at that point)

[feral snow]

pancakes

[sharp violet]

trading card games

[hollow oasis]

cringe starts at 12????

The internet is a curse

[grizzled marsh]

I know many people about to nominate & execute you

[hollow oasis]

it started at 10

[feral snow]

I need to remind you that most people here are like double your age

[hollow oasis]

I mean ngl i thought cringe started at like

15 for old people I dunno

[feral snow]

Cringe is there from the start

Teenage years are just kinda when there’s the push to not be cringe

I never ever shared my music taste as a teenager

[hollow oasis]

I mean

[feral snow]

I’m still shy about it but I’m better on discord now

[hollow oasis]

I lost my sense of cringe when I was 12 probably

[dusty thistle]

They're playing some really upbeat music and everyone wants to hear it.

[hollow oasis]

Mass Rave

[dense moat]

Ghosts (they were also born close to Halloween,so its dual purpose)

Paintball

Birthday? What birthday?

[hollow oasis]

"My birthday was yesterday and is tomorrow"

[junior knot]

https://tenor.com/view/alice-in-wonderland-mad-hatter-tea-party-gif-22455145

[dense moat]

Disney princcesses

(secretly she kinda thinks it would be fun to be prusued by villians. She wont still think that later in life)

[junior knot]

LA Lakers

(used to be a GSW/heat fan at various points)

[dense moat]

Offered cookies they made themselves to all their guests. they've also been diging up bugs for the past few days, but no one suspects yet

[junior knot]

its just what gives the cookies their color

[dense moat]

Model train musuem

[supple dirge]

10/13 Tell me about the most recent clocktower game you played or storytold

[uneven field]

i think the last game I finished was TB, and the one I'm currently in is TB too

and the one before, and before

I always catch pickup while they're doing TB

[warped urchin]

7p blind man's bluff, 3 witch kills evil won

[uneven field]

love it when the witch pops off

that happened a couple Amy games ago

[low umbra]

The most recent game I played was when I was the demon and I lied to my neighbour and one of my minions about the neighbour being the marionette

They absolutely believed it and then celebrated when the evil team won, then I had to break the absolutely tragic news to them and the minion (I still kind of regret it for the fact that they celebrated and was super excited about winning with the fake team, but also goddamn that game was insane lol)

Thing is: they did so much heavy lifting for the evil team that if I didn’t do that we would have lost on like final 7 LOL
So they absolutely deserved to win with us, so me and the players count it as them winning with us

Most recent set of games I ST’ed were a couple of games of musical chairs. I introduced it as an ‘escape room’ script, since it’s a good alternative way to interact with the game imo

[simple crystal]

BMR I storytold where the pukka was socially trusted as a grandchild, and confirmed by both the exorcist and the gossip (destructive interference). If town had executed the least trustworthy player - the unspent courtier on final 4 - evil would have had an easy victory. BUT, since the demon was bluffing pukka-poisoned that day (innkeeper bluff), town realized that there was no world in which they lost after executing him, but a single other wrong execution could end the game. So, good achieved their win con by executing the most trusted player, whereas evil would have won had town executed the most suspicious player.

[barren sun]

Minigane frenzy party with lots of social deduction/manipulative games + ability games involving chairs
Musical chairs the peak of the party

[barren sun]

A funny mess
For more details #bad-moon-rising

[dense moat]

I storytold a game of Final Nail in the Boffin. It was a Fang Gu game

The main sober TF were a Savant, a Fish, and a Pixie Slayer pair

I told the Fish to have the Slayer focus on the Puzzlemaster, hoping they’d shoot to clear FG. They did but everyone thought the Fish was poisoned

And no one could coherently build the jumped Mutant as Demon, tho they did put the Demon on the block at 8 players alive

But it lifted 😭

[olive marsh]

bmr, was sailor, got double claimed by the zombuul who got executed day 1 for science and then confirmed as evil by his own minion bluffing failed prof and then town just didn’t listen to me as i begged them to double tap him for the entire rest of the game

[feral snow]

Day 1 klutz loss

Demon was demon for the first time ever (out of like 6 games) and was so disappointed

[grizzled marsh]

10p TB game, i was the soldier, and d1 i told a few players that i'll bluff slayer. B nominated the poisonsniped virgin (the only poison who did something that game), then town executed them while i claim soldier "who will claim slayer" to some and slayer to some other players.
N2 G (the only new player) died, town wants to execute H (if not I) because they potentially were the spy (which is an execution i hated, i suggested J instead), so i publicly claim slayer and ask if i should slayer shoot them. They obviously said no and H is executed, but it made the demon try to kill me that night.
D3 i say that i suspect that i got picked by the monk (i still had E and J as blank tokens), and asked town to execute J but town executed I instead. N4 the undertaker died after seeing a chef and a virgin
D4 i talk to D and learn that they had B as a red herring, while J was still unchecked (so very likely the demon, meanwhile they got a no on me) some people in town pushed for A but didn't get the votes on a saint claim, i nommed J and got 3 votes, J nominated me and somehow J A C voted on that. Because it was final 5 (ACDJ and me), someone nommed D who got exed
That night, C died. A nominated J with 3 (AD and me) raised hands (while H had the exact evil team in mind) so i lowered it at the last moment, so i nominated A and i struggled to get 4 votes instead of 2 because some people wanted specifically a mayor win because somehow town thought i maybe could be the demon while i was confirmed by the empath, the washerwoman and the FT

TLDR: i did a smart play to get myself "killed" by the demon n3, then tunneled on the mayor for the entire game but won anyway

[lean isle]

The one I played: Day 1 cult win

The one I ran: public Snake Charmer hit the Leviathan D3.

[dry sluice]

Lunar Eclipse. The demon pulled off a very socially-good-looking Mathematician/Pixie confirmation D1, and rode it to a win. Unusually, the town's info plus the demon's fake Math numbers could have hardsolved the game F3, but town didn't figure it out in time.

[karmic slate]

18 player SnV + 1 (was Devil’s Advocate) where I was the good Butcher and just brilliant convention fun ending with the original Demon being snake charmed

[foggy grotto]

STd a game of China Shop where the typhon line absolutely stomped. I kept giving the general and evil every single night to tell them how badly they were building the wrong worlds and wrong demon type and then they didn’t figure it out until it was too late

[coarse fern]

TB I accidentally added one less outsider than I should have and then somebody else STed the rerack

Played would be a game of TMO where I was the atheist and we won and it was cool (I don’t remember what happened)

[dry sluice]

aw dang, was it impossible to add a Drunk to fix it? 😭

[supple dirge]

If there was already a drunk make 2 drunks to fix it

[dry sluice]

TFW you need to retroactively add a Drunk, but the Virgin-confirmed Washerwoman saw the Ravenkeeper, who died to a Mayor bounce and checked the Undertaker confirming the Chef, and the Slayer has successfully slain the Recluse

[coarse fern]

Already in play 😔

[pseudo fulcrum]

In-person game 4, Assassin, messed up a Gambler bluff with really no way out, was basically outed evil, Demon had a Mayor bluff and was relatively trusted though, but town eventually figured it out on final 3 and we lost

[low umbra]

Ah yes, if the confirmation chain wasn’t strong enough already, the slayer successfully killed the recluse

[thorny summit]

First time running an atheist game, the newest player drew the Atheist token but they read so socially good that I got exed day 2

[low umbra]

Why couldn’t they be the Drunk or smth?
I don’t see an atheist script work without reason for a good player to be claiming it in a theist world

[fleet hedge]

I assume the Drunk maybe wasn't on script

[low umbra]

Yeah, seems like it haha

[fleet hedge]

Drunk is definitely not needed on an Atheist script, in fact I don't love the interaction

[low umbra]

(I know what I’m doing next for character interaction then haha)

[feral snow]

10/14: Be nice to TPI! What’s something you think TPI has done really well with respect to this game?

[karmic rose]

I have recently been scripting Fang Gu and/or Vigor and realizing how well they play off one another wrt once per game abilities -- there's this really beautiful balance where one of them wants players to hold off on questions, while the other wants players to spend early and avoid the poison

[coarse fern]

Golem is SO COOL!!!!

[tidal quiver]

beyond 'I appreciate how tight the b3 are more and more as I become better at scriptwriting since Amy kinda already said it,' I'd say the general vibe of how TPI acts and is super transparent- a lot of game dev companies I know abt feel very secretive of their core sorta vision and roadmap and generally act kinda clandestine and above players but the TPI vibe is super down to earth and willing to like talk out their reasoning for things

like Jams didn't have to make a writeup for the new jinxes and I don't even necessarily agree with all of them but I really appreciate the transparency and how open they were to explaining the development process and was totally willing to say 'hey we're not perfect these totally might change'

[dense moat]

I love the tokemn arts & flavor text. So much of it s just so flavorful & awesome. It really helps sell the presentation of it all

[foggy grotto]

they made TB. probably the perfect social deduction game

[karmic rose]

oh damsel is a great shout @ coral

[ebon idol]

I like the botc website a lot tbh

[hollow oasis]

Lies BMR is better

I enjoy wizard.

Oh also

LET’S FUCKING GO LEGION IS MY LORD AND SAVIOR, BEST IDEA EVER MADE AND IT IS EVERYTHING I’VE EVER NEEDED.

[supple dirge]

They do a great job promoting the game online and keeping people engaged. Youtube videos and streams all the time, quarterly QnAs that drop some tidbits on what they're working on and the thought behind things they've done. Steven dropping new art or rule changes on his twitter is also so cool.

When they did character reveals each month it was really exciting seeing the reveal and the character in game right after, and then it dropping on the wiki after that.

The script world cup was well done seeing all these different rules that changed the game and seeing them played multiple times before going to an elimination bracket, all very well thought out to try to keep things fair.

[grizzled marsh]

I'd say TPI's twitch channel in general

[low umbra]

TPI genuinely hearing people out when they complain about valid issues and then they get identified/addressed quite soon after. All around just really good at doing what they do imo, really great at hearing and responding to feedback, especially compared to other companies

[karmic slate]

ability to change. Like once you gleam past the confusion and disagreement the community has to certain announced changes you realise that the state in which the game exists and approach TPI goes with is constantly all about trying brw things and changes and tests that they’re happy to also revoke if it’s not working. Folks forget we’re experiencing Steven’s approach to design which is “this is a cool idea I think let’s try it and we can revoke if if not” as opposed to intense reviews and discussion and playtesting beforehand. It’s just fascinating beong involved in a game that’s still evolving

[naive flame]

Realistically or

[fast anchor]

Travellers. As much as I rag on, like, Apprentice and Cacklejack, the concept is utterly genius and it adds so much accessibility to the game. I love Travellers so much they're so awesome

I can't wait to see more of them get released by TPI

[barren sun]

Achieving everything Werewolf could not.
Not all possible good characters are in play, making it possible for evil to spread info without double claiming someone.
There's not a dead player night 1 who just sits there in silence while others play the game. No one dies night one Tinker AND dead people can talk.
A regulated execution system; ww doesn't know how to democracy
Should I keep going?

[dusty thistle]

Aside from making this incredible game, TPI is not a shady company. They are connected with their customers, and they don't do horrible things that so many other companies do. They prioritize the community over profit, something that I respect them for, and always will.

[versed junco]

Having an incredibly memorable acronym

[acoustic chasm]

In some regards TPI got lucky. COVID 19 hit, making their online services a priority.

But I cannot stress enough how great it is that TPI has allowed a community of people around the game to grow, even if many don't actually own the £160+ game.

On the game design note, TPI has made a game which is very much like classic mafia and werewolf, but simply allowing the dead to speak rather than sit out for an hour is what makes BOTC shine.

[cyan reef]

TPI is not squeaky clean

[dusty thistle]

Oh absolutely not. But they're better than most game companies.

[hollow oasis]

Wait what

[dense moat]

Elluna also described BOTC in an interesting way. She noted that there was no one innovation of BOTC that hadn't been played with in Mafia (Outsider equivalents, poison, dead speaking, dead votes.) But BOTC does 2 special things

1. It puts all those great things ogether into one smooth system

2. It makes that system relatively accessibl, which is so much better than the vanilla werewolf I've seen time and timne again

[low umbra]

Also, the social environment explicitly encouraged to exist in Clocktower games means that the game is just a much better experience for new players

Also makes it actually replayable, where mafia etc just isn’t so much imo

[low umbra]

Also thank you for asking this question, the answers so far have been a great indicator of why we all love this game and the company that makes it. It’s been a really cozy time in here imo

[digital drum]

Gave +1 Thanks to @feral snow (current: #551 - 90)

[junior knot]

They made Vigor/Twin/Clock legal in one minion games to teach STs to actually think about what they're putting in the bag

Which makes SnV a good step up from random bullshit go TB bagbuilding

No, but seriously the amount of player agency in this game is insane, and the broad range of how invovled you want to be is exceptional

[acoustic chasm]

Last night I played a Vigor/Twin/Clock game in a two Minion game and evil won.

[junior knot]

were there any twinsolvers in the bag?

[acoustic chasm]

Showing that TPI does try and balance the scripts for different groups. The base scripts are genuinely very cool

Seamstress, Math I guess.

[low umbra]

It’s like when I showed the demon in a sobre poisoner ping without a SW and evil won (literally two weeks ago)

[acoustic chasm]

oh actually that is a huge thing

The vibes of this community are quite cosy considering this is a social deduction game

Online I see social deduction games often being dominated by strong personalities, with set meta-games, and you will be distrusted and locked out of the game if you don't follow such or such rules.

There is less of that from what I can see in the online BOTC community

I feel that shift comes from TPI being a bit more active and explicit in how BOTC is a party game first, and that it should be a welcoming enviroment

[junior knot]

Also, even when there is an optimization, a lot of times people will discourage it for being unfun (See fearmonger selfnoms)

[acoustic chasm]

That's not to put shade on other social deduction games like Secret Hitler's or Avalon's creators

Because they didn't intend an online community to form around the board game.

But the fact that the groundwork TPI set is pretty solid is nice.

[junior knot]

also there's just much less to do in those games, so its a little easier to get formulaic

[low umbra]

The mindset of ‘fun is a higher priority than winning’ is such a huge thing for Clocktower in general, cause people (at least in my group) can easily call each other out when something is min-maxing or making weird metas and just say ‘hey, is that fun?’
And while I think it can happen in any other game, setting that precedent was much easier cause Clocktower made it explicitly requested by the creators of the game themselves

(also yes, my description of the winning/fun balance is my personal interpretation of it. For me, I’m a competitive person so having that mindset ultimately balances it to equal more than otherwise)

[pastel prism]

they cook so hard with the characters and the official scripts and token art and flavor text and shit

also i love how accessible they made the game thanks to Travellers and Fabled

[sour harness]

Genuinely insane that this community is so nice, all things considered

[karmic rose]

10/15: For those of you who play in real life, what are some ways you set up your physical space to make the game better?

I know a lot of folks use nametags whenever new folks are welcome, and candles/etc instead of vote tokens are also pretty common!

[sour harness]

Desk bell!!!

Instead of yelling I can just tap the bell a few times and everyone comes back to town

[olive marsh]

when i’m sting i really need the inside of the circle to be empty so i can pace and flow around

[dense moat]

https://tenor.com/view/right-cats-kitties-yes-ring-gif-12003347

[olive marsh]

doesn’t really affect anyone else outside of letting them move easier ig

[karmic rose]

I gotta buy a bell

I also need new night cards

[junior knot]

https://tenor.com/view/macho-man-flying-elbow-drop-wrestling-wrestlers-gif-15700266

Hitting that bell like

[tardy wyvern]

Snacks out of reach of the main tables so peiople get up and talk

[barren sun]

Music; whenever on town square I leave a phone or other recorder playing while the players talk, and during private chats I carry it with me. The Cap Kingdom theme from Mario Odyssey for example suits incredibly for morning phase
Other than that use your imagination and pretend the potato the coaches are making is something similar to a circle xd

[supple dirge]

My boyfriend got me the clocktower upgrade kit off etsy and its great, would recommend. I put velcro on the player count marker and printed a new a player count sheet with all the travellers on the back to use with it. I got the poker chip life tokens from the vegas con.

The dry erase name tags are great to keep things to straight. I printed and taped the player counts in of grim for when I set up the game. The upgrade kit also came with the 3 token holder for bluffs, and the death shroud holder which is convenient. I also made a looking for players sign I can put up when I run, just got to not forget it when I leave.

[thorny summit]

One of my irl groups uses party hats to signify who is dead (and slap bracelets for dead votes)

[junior knot]

My group uses pins so everyone can wear the token they pull on their chest

weve found it just makes things easier

grim management especially has become a breeze

[feral snow]

we always play in classrooms, so writing names in position on the chalkboard/whiteboard is very helpful for the massive influx of new players we get every day

it’s also an excuse for other members to bully me for bad handwriting

[barren sun]

10/16 Which BOTC character would you like to be the most?

[tough silo]

Investigator

[warped urchin]

Irl or in a hypothetical world where we live in the world of botc?

[pastel prism]

Alchemist, assuming we live in the world of botc

otherwise Wraith :3

[dusty thistle]

Oh like to be? I thought you were asking which one I'd be.

or or

[pseudo fulcrum]

why not both

[warped urchin]

True

[olive marsh]

i mean i’m already the tinker

[sour harness]

About to hit 60K messages in the thread

[zenith lotus]

what if we just kept it at 59999

[supple dirge]

No

[foggy grotto]

+00001

[junior knot]

lets see if we can hit 100k

naturally, not spam lol

[thorny summit]

10/16: Let's count to 40,000!

[junior knot]

~~ 10/16: Rank all of the BOTC characters by your preference, one character per message ~~

[supple dirge]

C
E
R
E
N
O
V
U
S

[barren sun]

So we interpreted 3 different questions now,
Which would you be in another universe ?
Which would you like to be in another universe ?
Which would you like to pull out of the bag irl ?
Shall we go in order for 3 days?

[supple dirge]

[fast anchor]

Ooh, this is less of a physical space thing and more of a grim kit thing, but livfreeorpie's pocketmods are lifesavers for me & i use them regularly. would recommend :)

[olive marsh]

still need to print those out

[spiral pollen]

this is a red flag

[dense moat]

or are both very solid shouts

Technically PH is just keeping the power of the question to use at will, but like, others might want an assist too

[severe raven]

I'm already a

[sharp violet]

i wish there was a "gamer" character or something like that, but since there isn't,

[tidal quiver]

idk y'all is just mathematician but cooler

[simple crystal]

or are both cool - the power to shape reality with magic, or the power to shape reality with your thoughts

[feral snow]

Very critical question

If I choose an evil character am I hellbent on destroying ravenswood bluff

Do I become morally corrupt

[junior knot]

aren't you already?

[feral snow]

Damn beat me to my own joke I see

Wizard :(

[dense moat]

But what about the cost of your wish?

Or the clue?

[feral snow]

Depends what I wish for

I do wish a lot

But nothing that helps me destroy ravenswood bluff

[hollow oasis]

Easily Lord of Typhon

[dense moat]

You can only wish once per game 😭

[karmic rose]

uh irl ig

[feral snow]

Well I think it’s actually coming true now so we’ll see what the cost is

[sharp violet]

actually i don't like taking unnecesary risks in my games, so not gambler

[junior knot]

Gambler plays games

That makes them a gamer

[uneven field]

this is actually genius

[uneven field]

I give everyone different coloured poker chips (white for alive, dark blue for dead) they hold up with their raised hand, and if a dead token is raised I go and take it

[17/10] The Ojo is real, and every night, it will choose a character from the game to target and a real human person matching the description of that character will die. How many characters reasonably apply to you and how much danger are you in?

[simple crystal]

Hmm - I'm the atheist (which it's not picking obv), the dreamer, the engineer, the mathematician, the minstrel, the puzzlemaster, maybe the heretic?, and also the DA and mez. A lot of second-priority choices, so I'm definitely in danger, but I'm probably not dying first

[uneven field]

since this is in the real world and not in a standard game the ojo may pick characters it normally wouldn't

[barren sun]

Im not scared
Master, did you miss?
Why
Ah shi-
I'm already illegal in 69 countries, watch me care
You're mean

-# I'm gonna be humble and admit I do not have the qualifications to be the Mastermind or the Puzzle master

[next marlin]

as the guy who is officially a bunch of botc characters irl:

fine

probably fine

fuck

[grizzled marsh]

So i'll disperse this unnecessary conjecture
Depends
Fine
Insert an unfunny "insert a joke here" joke here because i'm lazy
Probably fine?

[acoustic chasm]

ca-cannibal??

[lost thistle]

do you have something you want to tell us lepakon

[versed junco]

You know, I haven't seen The Honourable Judge around lately...

[dry sluice]

uh oh

[uneven field]

everyone putting down dreamer

[supple dirge]

No one putting down 🤔

[uneven field]

about to, still making the list

I have a lot

[dusty thistle]

In surprised we haven't had a yet

[supple dirge]

They're hiding till final 3

[uneven field]

I may be screwed

[karmic rose]

yeah idt the / are top priorities so i'm chillin

[barren sun]

Just realized, the official token for the Deviant is some kind of BDSM collar right?
What is this supposed to be?

[supple dirge]

I think a mask? That icon is also in homestuck https://mspaintadventures.fandom.com/wiki/Aspect#Doom

[junior knot]

Yeah I think it’s supposed to be latex?

[barren sun]

Now I'm even more confused

What's honestuck?

[supple dirge]

Its a very long webcomic, with some video and other elements

[junior knot]

A webcomic thing

[supple dirge]

I read like 100 pages in high school and barely scratched the surface

[tardy wyvern]

I think some of these are pretty heavy targets

[unkempt tangle]

Most of these are self explanatory. Philosopher is cuz I like to read.
Marionette is because I live in the USA. And Legion is because I'm socialist.

[tardy wyvern]

"Marionette because I live in the USA" is unfortunately real

[unkempt tangle]

philo might get targeted. engineer could get targeted i guess it depends. cuz ojo prolly doesn't mind getting turned into something else. artist is a high priority target. the rest are probably OK.
actually Heretic might get targeted.

[median tapir]

It was the old art for the Deviant, and I'm pretty sure it's a more risque reference than the collar. Let's just say if you google ||gimp mask|| you won't just getting results for the Photoshop alternative, at least not if you turn SafeSearch off.

[karmic rose]

they really called the Photoshop alternative that huh

[median tapir]

(and if you're wondering what I'm doing here, the term "BDSM" throws a flag from AutoMod asking us to come make sure nothing too far past PG-13 is happening 😋 )

yeah, it's an initialism, I think. something Image Manipulation something, maybe?

[barren sun]

I think I can visualize it? Really vague though. I'm guessing ||the 2 circles are the eye holes||. Otherwise I just keep seeing a Star-wars space-ship from above

[barren sun]

That's... Actually a very cool feature lol

[karmic rose]

yeah

[lost thistle]

[10/18]: what’s the first custom script you ever made? (first revision too if it was ever updated) how bad is it?

[karmic rose]

it was... pretty bad

[dusty thistle]

Here it is!

This is not the first draft btw

[low umbra]

This is the most recent version of it. It honestly didn't change that much from the original version and I'm still quite happy with it, given that its a Base 3-only script

[dusty thistle]

For one, the original demon suite was imp-vigor-fang gu

It had a few dozen terrible interactions. Like Poisoner in general

[low umbra]

The original version had Po instead of Pukka which was absolutely WILD lol

[dusty thistle]

Its been changed a lot, and its still bad, so I'm just giving up on it

I was thinking about how I loved the SnV like thing, so I did make a different script that it much better later. Its vibe is totally different, but it's loosely inspired by calimari.

https://discord.com/channels/569683781800296501/1428740797272162395 Here it is if anyone is interested

[zenith lotus]

oh boy

[foggy grotto]

no legion?

shocker

[supple dirge]

My first draft of my first custom script I hate. I made it for the first clocktower con mayor competition. +2 evil with cult leader and mez, cere standing out too much as a minion, grandmother the only thing that causes 2 deaths. It took me a while to think through all these interactions and make changes to it.

The final version I think works well, I played it recently and players enjoyed it. Its made to have a bunch of reasons to keep secrets and hidden alliances and its so cool seeing it in action where everyone goes off to talk to someone privately in the day. Makes me think 'yes its working!'

[barren sun]

It was this.... thing... Let's just call it a thing

#1427709495429304321 message
Current version

[naive flame]

Never played irl but I would like to use this at some point.

• Allow each player to get a private soundproof room where they can privately talk it out.

• Instead of the actual BOTC game book thing, a laptop would be used with clocktower.live and a different tab is projected with the town's name and their status(Alive, dead or Dead with no ghost vote)

• When there is accusation and Defense, the accused and defendant gets a specific stand(or area) in the room where they can provide why they should/shouldn't be executed.

• Players may talk in the night but must have their eyes closed and make small bits of noise(either foot stomp or they'll just purely talk it out that it masks the sound of my footsteps)

[naive flame]

I would want to be a Veterinarian so the closest thing is a (no Im not a furry...)

[naive flame]

Let's see

I'm dumb but I can be smart sometimes()

I yap a lot about random topic/listen it to gossips(/)

Idk tbh

[fast anchor]

(this later evolved into Miss Register)

[naive flame]

My first official custom I made is Be Careful What You Say

Had a lot of revisions and changes..but finally it reaches its end near finish product.

Rest customs I made were pure scraps 🥲

-# insert shameless promo of thread

-# #1428481466030886942 I mean..I'm still open for revisions..so far ET seems hated.

[lean isle]

This is earliest draft of my script I can find. I remember that I made something before, but never posted it and completely forgot what it had.

[uneven field]

I don't hate my first script at all, its not necessarily the best script ever made but I set out to make a beginner friendly script with no jinxes and still enough interesting interactions to cognitively engage players beyond what's offered in the base scripts, and I think I did exactly that

come to think of it, I don't know why I retired this script after running it in person

it probably has something to do with my personal distaste for the fang gu

even though fang gu winrate on this script is actually pretty low

[barren sun]

Revenkeeper probably the closest thing; and Magician canonically owns a rabbit

[naive flame]

Oh true

[dry sluice]

I thought this was lost to history, but unfortunately, I found it

Script review:

• Vigormortis + Goblin ✅
• No Dashii + Baron ✅
• 12 townsfolk ✅
• Only O-mod is +2 and there are no outsiders who will probably remain hidden on the final day ✅

[warped urchin]

only o-mod is +2
vigormortis

[dry sluice]

oops you're right, the script is good I guess

[junior knot]

seriously baron and sentinel

wow

I'm not one to talk though here's mine

which i didn't touch after showing it to literally 1 other person

[warm gate]

wow i have... no idea what's going on here (this script has since been rebuilt from the ground up because jeez)

[dense moat]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1145131591597834350/1145131591757209680/image.png?ex=68f4c5a6&is=68f37426&hm=792f87653f032c21ec14f3d2299f8aa8100f3a238e38ad0da4290e9a15a0698d&

I might’ve had earlier than this, but this was made in my first months of BOTC

[lost thistle]

i have no recollection of making this

[coarse fern]

Can’t even find the image but it was a yagga script and it was bad

[thorny summit]

I don't have the image but I'm pretty sure it was an oops! all rev pairs script

[worldly jasper]

Riot teensy. Unsorted. No ongoing info apart from BH. 5 player game with 2 riots + BH-turned Tf. Mutant muddles even more. I thought it was awesome 😭

[junior knot]

the lack of minions really sells it

[sour harness]

I mean it's old riot I assume

Oh yeah it's even old in the image

[barren sun]

[19/10] You are a character on the game! What is your token?

[tardy wyvern]

I thought I clicked on custom script discussion and I was gonna blow up

[junior knot]

i feel like we've done this one quite a bit, no?

[feral snow]

I have a homebrew character called Tempest. I am very, very tempted to rename is Squall

[junior knot]

Does anyone have the Yes But Don't token?

I need it...

[feral snow]

The only reasons I haven’t gone through with it are

1. I love the name tempest
2. I don’t love this demon enough to call it Squall

Here it is

[junior knot]

thanks

[digital drum]

Gave +1 Thanks to @feral snow (current: #539 - 92)

[barren sun]

Idk, I'm kinda new and I've no idea how many or which questions have been asked

[zenith lotus]

hmmmm

[karmic rose]

uh I'm not like super tied to any characters, but I have been told I am seamstress and/or boffin-adjacent

i post cross stitch photos in longtext Off-Topic threads and I have made lab-grown virus before

[dry sluice]

I've written several puzzlehunt puzzles that were nominated for the (small puzzlehunt community's) annual puzzle awards

[karmic rose]

yoo that's sick

[low umbra]

I think that in the context of the game, I’ve been told I’m most similar to a spy in terms of vibes. But idk what character I’d be outside the context of the game

I am doing a maths major, so maybe but that feels like an easy and uninspired answer lol

The reason for the spy thing is that when I’m the imp in TB, I have a habit of framing the RK etc and not hitting a demonsbane, usually killing ongoing TF instead

[dusty thistle]

@karmic slate?

[hollow oasis]

hmm

like

based on BOTC playstyle or real life

in BOTC? Lord of typhon

in real life? (Sources say I talk like )

[naive flame]

Let's assume I'm a character of each b3

Trouble Brewing
• I am most likely going to be the Saint or the Recluse

Bad Moon Rising
Lunatic Po or the Mastermind

Sects and Violet
Pithag or the Mutant

[hollow oasis]

I usually go "team captain" when I'm evil

(Yes, this is why I win legion games, I set up enough believable sub-plots to make it look like a mildly crazy game)

[next marlin]

I am canonically the Cerenovus

(and also other roles, but foremost the Cerenovus)

[naive flame]

[barren sun]

My interpretation was like Emma has her Glasses, Milk a Milk brick, Nikki an iced drink, Edd a shirt, etc...

[dusty thistle]

I was thinking about this. My guess is a glass of ice cold water a slice of lemon floating in it.

If we go what existing character I am, it's probably or

[tacit fiber]

Apprenctice with the Cerenovus ability

[hollow oasis]

Then

[grizzled marsh]

Outsider "If no good player is mad that you are evil, your team loses. [You might be evil]"

[junior knot]

Even if dead, right?

Also are you allowed to be that good player?

[grizzled marsh]

Yeah actually "even if dead" might be needed

[warped urchin]

So the game ends the moment it starts?

[grizzled marsh]

No idea if this character could actually be fun or if it's broken

[warped urchin]

The moment you pull the token the game ends

Since nobody is mad you are evil

They literally couldn't be

[grizzled marsh]

"Each night*, if no good player were mad that you are evil yesterday, your team loses, even if dead. [You might be evil]"

[foggy grotto]

definitely not fun for everyone to have to build you as evil for the whole game

also you can’t really bluff as anything else except maybe goblin

[grizzled marsh]

You just claim to be this role and you will automatically have people consider worlds where you are evil because you might be evil

I can't see any major flaws with this design by glancing at it, which might say more about me than the character

Well outside of "not particularely fun", but i hate fun so

[barren sun]

[10/20] Which is the BOTC character you hate the most?

[grizzled marsh]

You again?

[barren sun]

Idk, who runs this?

[grizzled marsh]

No one in particular but also let other people ask

[shrewd cloud]

Cult Leader for me personally. Though High Priestess is up there with how frustrating discussions about it can be

[feral snow]

I don’t think I necessarily hate any character

There were a bunch of characters that I used to dislike but thinking more about them, I’ve grown to like them so much more

Fool was once such example, and in fact I’ve come to like it so much that I think I want to write a long post about it

The only character I’m not very sold on right now is Marionette, and it’s because the environment I think it’ll work best in simply does not yet exist

I don’t know why I need that, because I can make Fearmonger work in my mind, but I struggle with marionette

Every other character I can defend pretty well if prompted

[junior knot]

My guess, because hiding alignment and goals is a very tricky thing to get right in this design space.

Because it’s the only character where playing exactly how you are supposed to given the token you pulled actively makes you lose

Barring heretic, but that’s a separate concern

[feral snow]

Well depending on character this is not true

And why I think it needs that specific environment I mentioned

I think in the best marionette environment, it trying its very best no matter what character it is will be helping evil and not good

But I’ve yet to see that script happen because we just don’t have the tools for it yet

[pastel prism]

||me when garden of sin||

[feral snow]

It’s garden of sin yeah

The name of the script is public knowledge so I’m okay not censoring that

[pastel prism]

i was mostly censoring it because i wasn't sure how public the knowledge that Marionette is probably there was

[feral snow]

Understandable

I appreciate it

Better to over censor than under censor

[pastel prism]

yup!

anyway i'm a huge marionette enjoyer despite the flak it gets so i'd love to see it shine

but back to bashing on characters... i have nothing to say on this because i feel like all of them have an environment and playstyle that can help them be fun, even the more traditionally boring ones

well ALMOST nothing to say on this, is definitely on the bottom for me

still, i wouldn't say i hate it in the slightest

[junior knot]

Oh right you’re not American

[pastel prism]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-explode-cat-explosion-cat-explode-boom-gif-5774509256627282047

[feral snow]

I mean that’s correct but how is that relevant

[junior knot]

America is kinda having a censorship crisis over the past bit

So seeing people be pro censorship is just a little shocking lol

[karmic rose]

I have yet to play in a Bounty Hunter game that felt good

[junior knot]

I hate tbh

Which team is probably gonna win is honestly a suprise even to me until like f5 or later

or at least running it

[karmic rose]

yah general is surprisingly hard to run

[tough silo]

No wayyyy

[tough silo]

No wayyyy

[tough silo]

Generalize what team is winning at the moment, it gives a hint at how much chances are that the demon is getting executed tomorrow

High Priestess is fucking amazing when people are open to telling you stuff, cagey players just fuck it up, and if i see something like that happen, i give the high priestess the same player i again (thats what i would do)

High Priestess is a vague Dreamer that doesnt choose.

[karmic rose]

it's been >24h since the last question and this question promotes reasonable discussion, so idt Soril is doing anything super wrong here? This thread definitely goes through periods where folks are jockeying for questions and it's nice to let folks in other timezones get a chance, but idt anyone was chomping at the bit today

HP shines on the right scripts and in the right group, but I definitely am wary of running it in public lobbies where I don't know how useful a given conversation is likely to be

[junior knot]

When you find out Player A has a crush on Player B, so you use High Priestess to play cupid

(don't actually do this)

[keep hp reasoning in game based]

[tough silo]

Just played a game where the high priestess was actually the damsel no fucking WAY XDDDDDDDDD

[junior knot]

where you just keep sending them to the demon until he tells her she's the marionette

[grizzled marsh]

Fair, now that i read my message again it can sound rude when i didn't mean to

[simple crystal]

There's none that I really hate per se - not a huge fan bc it gives its player nothing to do; also not a big fan bc of how awkward it is on so many scripts. Maybe also , not because of self noms, but because I don't find the win con or paranoia terribly interesting without other characters that interact with nominators/executions

[hollow oasis]

easily

God I hate how it makes people rabid

[unkempt tangle]

elaborate

[karmic rose]

have you been in a room where people discuss self-nominating in a Fearmonger game

[unkempt tangle]

no

[feral snow]

go to any channel in this server about once a week and you'll see someone fighting about it

[hollow oasis]

Oh the worst part is that this only happens for fearmonger

like, playing with it

[karmic rose]

I'd say that longtext has a few other characters that lead to unfun social situations, but that's because longtext is spread over several weeks

[hollow oasis]

I still think livetext legion can’t end well

[coarse fern]

Why?

[hollow oasis]

That sounds like a bad idea

[coarse fern]

It is I’m just curious why you specifically think it is

[hollow oasis]

(It’s based off of like… one livetext game so inform me if I’m wrong)

The social voice-power seems oppressive in livetext

[pure meadow]

It has fun flavoring but just ... no

[karmic rose]

zealot needs an environment that's kinda rare

and even then it's not strictly the most interesting character to actually draw

[pure meadow]

Livetext is scared of legion so the only livetext legion game I've played was a wafflebuffet adjacent game and it worked ... fine? Like certainly not the best environment for legion but it works enough imo

[pure meadow]

I feel like it just isn't interesting to run, st for or just think about. Like it genuinely feels like I'm missing something with it with how little it actually does

[hollow oasis]

I sincerely doubt zealot has an effect on the game

That’s meaningful

[simple crystal]

Zealot with execution bombs (boomdandy, fearmonger, mastermind) is cool to put more pressure on the good team

I agree it's not the most interesting character, but I do think zealot and hermit-zealot on a mm-engine script could be suitably terrifying

[pure meadow]

At least with some of my other least favorite characters there's something interesting in one way or another (e.g. something like snitch has some really interesting social consequences with how minions social read, knight sometimes has interesting st choices for its info and yagga is whimsical)

[hollow oasis]

(Proceeds to dodge them by another vote)

[supple dirge]

Zealot is fun with cerenovus making people vote everytime or break madness

[hollow oasis]

Considering it literally convinced no-one that kind of just sucks

“Damn you must have cheated the past 3 days”

(Most convincing ceremadness surely)

Zealot doesn’t even have an ability when it matters

[pure meadow]

*whalebuffet
Longtext is truly getting to me

[hollow oasis]

I don’t think I’ve seen a zealot affect who town was going to execute

Because damnit they look much better than like

And other character

because what kind of social cover is “always voting”

what are you covering for???

At least make the vote socials like, evil-coded!

Not just chaos/meme haha

This is why butler is better

[coarse fern]

I’ve had evils bluffing zealot be forced to execute themselves

[supple dirge]

It can work if you cerelock someone, or with pit-hag on the script (probably why they share a home script)

[naive flame]

Why.. do.. you.. exist..

-# I just hate the heretic..

[barren sun]

I mean, i don't hate any character either; I meant the one you love the least

[hollow oasis]

Heretic is cool but uh

It doesn’t really make too much sense until you think about it

[low umbra]

I think it’s interesting, but the way it impacts the game is so incredibly centralising and I usually don’t like those sorts of characters

[tough silo]

I need to see other mastermind engine scripts do you know others?

[versed junco]

Hell, thy name is

[low umbra]

RtC every day of the week

[dusty thistle]

I have compassion for every character

Except you, I don't like you

[naive flame]

If not the heretic, the damsel.

~~ #slay-the-damsel ~~

[tough silo]

People forget a lot that the zealot is very helpful to the evil team

Vortox win because of zealot

Because the last nomination was a tie.

[feral snow]

Then I guess Marionette? Idk

[dusty thistle]

Damsel is very helpful to the evil team. Drunk is very helpful to the evil team. Plague Doctor is very helpful to the evil team. Being helpful to the evil team is the basis for being an outsider. Zealot is boring.

[tough silo]

Zealot its super boring on its own that its true, but its the same as Snitch, the evil team has an extra buff that the town has to make up for

1 extra vote for the evil team
1 minions not needing to talk to the demon day 1

People in my group hate zealot because they forget he exist until they lose because they didnt think about him

[uneven field]

out of any character? riot

[tough silo]

Riot its good i think

[uneven field]

out of any character that might actually be on a script I end up playing? mutant

[tough silo]

I dont think its that bad

[uneven field]

okay, I think you're bad at opinions

[tough silo]

Mutant its good too if you like lying.

[lean isle]

It's less extra vote for evil team and more as -1 living good vote. (upd: combined with being essentially -1 vote tally)

[uneven field]

I like lying but don't like mutant

[tough silo]

I dont like mutant with godfather but i see the appeal

[dusty thistle]

But Mutant is really cool with GF. Great way to stop a mutant from outing

[uneven field]

godfather can fix the issue of "why don't you just out immediately at the first moment there's a free execution?"

but it can't fix mutant's other glaring issue

[dusty thistle]

Which is?

[uneven field]

it's ass

[dusty thistle]

I'm genuinely curious here

Oh

I see.

[uneven field]

I simply do not find it fun

[dusty thistle]

Anger. Fine reason to dislike something

[junior knot]

What about its ass?

[uneven field]

see above

[junior knot]

You have to say a complete sentence cass

[dusty thistle]

Same reason I dislike Zealot. Totally legitimate reason.

[uneven field]

See above.

[junior knot]

No what specific thing about mutant’s ass are you talking about

[uneven field]

it's is different than its

[dusty thistle]

I think she has you there wizard.

[junior knot]

Since when have I let grammar stop the bit

[uneven field]

since I deliberately misresponded to this by adding punctuation

[dusty thistle]

I should've said "I think she has you their, wizard"

[uneven field]

"I think she has you, they're wizard"

I wish for grammar to stop you

[junior knot]

No. We are legion

[dusty thistle]

Wish granted. Your now compelled to correct any incorrect grammar you see, even in socially inappropriate scenarios.

[uneven field]

you're*

fuck

we've got a little text-based three stooges act going on in here

[junior knot]

indeed we've

[grizzled marsh]

It's a loud but bluffable outsider (for both alignments), with the condition being that you lose your vote control if you wanna bluff it

[junior knot]

its a great role for seat 7 to pull

[warm gate]

[foggy grotto]

and it’s not even close

[barren zenith]

I really dislike the Boffin, it's just an awfully designed character and I would never build a script with it on (/j)

I don't like the klutz or the snake-charmer much tbh, but they are somewhat bearable

[coarse fern]

[versed junco]

Someone build a script with all these

[barren zenith]

Why?

[dense moat]

It feels like it either wins instantly, is actively unhelpful, or Empath at Home

And tbc, I don’t think that’s as much a problem with the execution as with the core concept of “a role that can win at any time”

[barren sun]

Already got the title: "A hell of a time"

A script with the main purpose of probablyaking you dislike your character

[pastel prism]

fuck all of you /lh
-# (Snake Charmer, Innkeeper, Lycanthrope, Amnesiac, Fool, Magician, Poppy Grower, Pacifist, and Atheist are only there to fill in empty space with what i feel like are the most common contenders for hated characters, with Magician only being there because of the jinx with Legion)

[supple dirge]

Hey reddit I just made my first custom script....

[pastel prism]

ahahahaha

[warm gate]

I'm suggesting this to my IRL group

[pastel prism]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-animals-happy-easter-disaster-april-fools-day-fluffy-gif-11463156

[versed junco]

add SoI, that'll piss off people more

[barren sun]

I hate this so much and I bet it's even playable

[barren sun]

And Matron as well up to this point

[junior knot]

Make it hermit drunk zealot + matron bishop

[pastel prism]

i added all of the BMR travellers

[junior knot]

So no one gets any agency

[supple dirge]

You don't need soi, heretic makes it balanced

[versed junco]

but we don't want it balanced

[pastel prism]

i think it'd be funny if it barely had a sense of balance but still did

[junior knot]

Oh and add mario too so even more people pull townsfolk and have to vote constantly

[pastel prism]

sorry, the democracy of this very channel decided Politician-Zealot-Snitch-Heretic are the most hated outsiders

eh, what can ya do

[barren sun]

I think the only thing left to do is go and see how many people can this piss off by making them play it for "playtesting" purposes

[junior knot]

Omg I just noticed this has atheist legion

Yeah literally so easy to piss anyone off playing this, there’s an atheist

[pastel prism]

and amnesiac, so you can make whatever fuckass ability you want

[naive flame]

FNITB scriptmaker hating on their own script, how democratic /j

[coarse fern]

It’s really unbalanced and is basically never anything more interesting than “+1 evil blank token”

[junior knot]

I think it can be interesting with things like Marionette/Poppy for a bit more vote coordination

Also I think there is room for interesting puzzles with wincons like Damsel/Heretic/Saint/Leviathan/?ET? -- Also stuff like is always fun.

**[10/21] What famous historical quote/literature reference should be a BOTC script title (preferably that isn't already)? And what type of script would it be? **

[feral snow]

Had a sudden urge on the way home today to make a script called House Tour (it’s Axo’s Tour but also Heretic and other MHD shenanigans)

-# yes, Sabrina carpenter is literature

If that doesn’t count, uhhhhhh

Literally anything from the art of war is probably a good start

[naive flame]

I'm not much into quotes but I can give one I did myself about a character.

“Sometimes, things are hard. But you have to try and push through it again and again..until you make it to the end.."

My Quote for the 👸

[dense moat]

"Into the Deepest Valley" and "To Safety or to Ruin" would be good ones

[feral snow]

Oh those are good

[dense moat]

Honestly, that first one could be a (unreleased) ||Siclian script, because the flavor mentions a deep dark oppressive forest. Maybe a General Sicilian?||

[feral snow]

||the forest is a chess reference naturally. I believe it’s a quote from Mikhaïl Tal||

[barren sun]

"Houston, we have a problem"
A script full of evils and outsiders with alternative win conditions / things that come with a warning. I'm thinking Zealot, Damsel, Snitch, Fearmonger, Goblin, OG, Vortox, LoT, Po and maybe Wizard

[dusty thistle]

Ugh, I'm going through some of my favorite literary quotes and I can't frame a script around any of them

[lucid crag]

Quoth the Raven, “Nevermore.”

[fast anchor]

quoth the raven, "it's a Vortox game I picked myself"

[sour harness]

Quoth the Raven, "oh that poor poor hermit"

[versed junco]

quoth the yaggababble, the storyteller has died

[fast anchor]

the storyteller has died. the storyteller has died.

[junior knot]

its okay it can win for the good team by getting executed

[foggy grotto]

no idea what would be on it but a script called Jabberwocky would go hard

[olive marsh]

shab yag ojo harpy all have to be there

“The jaws that bite, the claws that catch”
“The Jabberwock, with eyes of flame”

[dusty thistle]

Probably seeing a GF there for deathmod and o-mod support. Witch? good interaction with YAG and GF. Last minion is probably Assassin or smth.

Summoner could be cool as a last option.

Wow, this thing writes itself.

[olive marsh]

working on it now

yet again the only thing that i find inspiration to write is china slop lmaoo

[severe raven]

I want my next script to be named after a spirit or power card in Spirit Island

[olive marsh]

could do mez for the quill iconography

[dusty thistle]

Would need SOI to stop shab cylcing, but yeah that could work

[olive marsh]

i guess

but you can also just... not rez the mez

meh better to have SOI and give evil more options

[dusty thistle]

Also it stops Shabs fishing for a rez from killing their own Mezs. If I rez your Mez, you will not get another evil.

By the way, would you like some Pez?

Also, the Al-Had has a nice fez.

[grizzled marsh]

Is it early to make one for today?

[junior knot]

I feel like any of the spice majors would go hard

[severe raven]

Is spice a word that means something?

[feral snow]

some people put it on their food

i think it’s a type of Major Power card in Spirit Island

[junior knot]

It’s an acronym for the 5 busted major powers

[feral snow]

idk I don’t play it

oh you do oops

bye

[junior knot]

Solidify, Powerstorm, Instruments, Cast Down and Incandescent Sky

[feral snow]

now I’m no expert

but that acronym is never spice

[olive marsh]

spici

[acoustic chasm]

nooo

Try summoner

it'll be cool i swear

[karmic rose]

this can be changed

[low umbra]

I’ve tried so hard to make summoner interesting and it just never works ;-;

[acoustic chasm]

Summoner is interesting

Is it workable

Now that's a different question entirely!

[low umbra]

Yeah that is the issue I have. It never works, but it’s interesting

[acoustic chasm]

Isn't a Grimm Chorus quite good?

[low umbra]

I haven’t heard of it ngl

[grizzled marsh]

[22/10] Invent a BOTC expression

[junior knot]

Does forcefem count?

[dusty thistle]

Scatpass

[junior knot]

Alch scarlet woman and a non imp/fg killing themselves?

[hollow oasis]

Slapvote(Unanimous vote)

[dusty thistle]

Good guess. IDK

[junior knot]

Framebait

When good players act sus so they can keep their ability active late game

[dusty thistle]

I think I've figured out what a scatpass is. It's when the SW gets the demonhood from the recluse dying.

[junior knot]

I was debating rec in there

[junior knot]

Although I do think it’d be better for the Snake Chamer Recluse clusterfuck than scarlet woman

We already have scar pass for her

[dusty thistle]

Oh no that's the silly swap

Anyway, I also invented barbershop shuffle (demon using barber shenanigans to become good)

[dusty thistle]

Better name for the SC-recluse thing is the candlepass

Yeah, we'll go with candlepass

[dusty thistle]

I've actually seen that happen once. It was a Voudun game, but it can happen.

[hollow oasis]

Seen it happen ~3 times

all d1

[dusty thistle]

I mean, aside from Voudun things, it was the last day

Final 6 in 13p BMR to be exact

So 7 votes, but it's still a lot

I've also seen it in a CL vote. And once in an exile I think.

[feral snow]

diarrhea monk jinx

[hollow oasis]

Outsiderization

:The act of a player turning Townsfolk ability against the good team. (Like say, a Demon telling a Magician they are the goblin, so the demon doesn't get executed and they win)

[junior knot]

Pacifist on BMR

[dusty thistle]

There was a pretty good example of that just now.

https://discord.com/channels/569683781800296501/1424545505592999978
This game involved forcing the ST to sell a DA's Tea Lady bluff with a Paci because the alternative was giving evil a guaranteed win.

[hollow oasis]

no that's the ST

that is different

convincing a gossip to hide a mastermind day with a gossip that seems incorrect, is Outsiderization

[junior knot]

Foreshadowing

[hollow oasis]

I've done it many times and I'll do it again

[junior knot]

Where people do the “hardclaims” of like would your character eat peas

N stuff

So not actual hard claim

[hollow oasis]

that's not an ability

[junior knot]

But traceable

[hollow oasis]

or is this a term

[junior knot]

Term

[dusty thistle]

I'm trying to figure out a good term for executing the demon after getting the world off by a million miles.

But anyway, I have another one.
patters (v): To do stupid shit not considered fun and somehow have it turn out fun for everyone involved.

[hollow oasis]

falling upwards

is the general term for that

so uh

[dusty thistle]

Patters, I don't know how you do it you magnificent scamp.

[hollow oasis]

"All worlds lead to Rome?"

[dusty thistle]

I think I am going to use oursiderization from now on.

[hollow oasis]

It's definitely something most common on BMR

[grizzled marsh]

Hey fun fact, i only realise now that what i had in mind was BOTC proverbs, not expressions

Well let's do both

(Or do proverbs tomorrow/next time i get to ask a question, i'm fine with either)

Yeah no let's do proverb a later day

[junior knot]

You can point a washer woman at a virgin, but you can’t make her nom

[uneven field]

canvassing: going around during the private chat phase trying to convince people to vote for a certain nomination that evening

[low umbra]

I think that the WW should try to take the opportunity to confirm themselves (from the virgin’s pov) and then have someone else get exed by the virgin so I think if I was a WW, I wouldn’t nom the virgin I saw

Maybe just me idk

[karmic rose]

washerwoman nominating the virgin does nothing, yeah

[low umbra]

The point of the virgin is about confirming the nominator’s information, on top of creating the confirmation between themselves and that player. A hard confirmed player realistically doesn’t actually do that much most of the time

[karmic rose]

a washerwoman-confirmed virgin is great if the virgin doesn't proc, but isn't that much additional information if the virgin activates

[uneven field]

when did you get promoted? nice

[karmic rose]

uhhh like 2 days ago?

haven't given into the temptation and gotten demoted for pinning random shit (yet), so I'm doing great 😎

[uneven field]

hmm but what if I write something reaally funny?

[barren sun]

Im interpreting this as preexistent words that have different meaning in the context of BOTC when put together, so like Xaan night, Mastermind day, Fang Gu jump, Typhon line etc
Kazali Squad: In world-building, the evil team a particular player would choose if they were to be a Kazali

[uneven field]

remembered that dire said this the other day

people always judge me when I say the politician is hot, but my question to you is, have you seen Zohran Mamdani?

[barren sun]

I (now) have and I have to stick with Nope tier

[uneven field]

well, listen to him give a speech

the fact that he's handsome is just a bonus, it's his charisma and personality that are hot

[lost thistle]

10/23: who would win? one of every clocktower character, or 1 billion lions?

[grizzled marsh]

Depends on how long you let the yaggababble talk

And if you allow the tea lady and the philosopher neighbor eachother

[dusty thistle]

Depends on how many rules the ST breaks with atheist more than anything tbh

[junior knot]

Unfortunately due to hate jinxes this isn’t possible

[lost thistle]

atheist, so they are actually

[junior knot]

Then no evil team

Which means practically no killing power

[grizzled marsh]

Who told you the minions & demons were evil?

[lost thistle]

alch pit-hag had a field day

[junior knot]

Steven

Mudway

[lost thistle]

theres a matron so they can

[grizzled marsh]

Yeah true

Ok the lions are never winning this

[junior knot]

There’s also a barista next to the tea lady

[lost thistle]

theres a heretic so actually they are

[junior knot]

Sobering her

[junior knot]

There’s also a hermit so it cancels out

The problem is Evil Twin has to die

So can only be a partial victory

[lost thistle]

1 billion is a lot of lions though

[junior knot]

You’re only left with one or two

[lost thistle]

how are you getting them executed when theres a bishop

[grizzled marsh]

Exile it

[junior knot]

[grizzled marsh]

Or this

[lost thistle]

amne ability saves

it is now day 1 of a leviathan game

[thorny summit]

If we count unreleased ||lion tamer|| probably helps

[junior knot]

Also how many legion do we get

[dense moat]

I’d say Leviathan is the only shot

Leviathan arguably has enough resistance to survive 5 days, depending on how Lovecrafyian you see it

Beyond that, 10000% lions

[lost thistle]

but theres a heretic so actually they lose

[thorny summit]

The important question is, what character type are lions?

[junior knot]

Again there’s also a hermit

[lost thistle]

the hermit is puzzledrunk

[junior knot]

Which has heretic ability as well

[lost thistle]

what if the courtier drunks every lion

[dense moat]

Pokemon can probably beat the billion lions because they have better area attacks, mobility, defenses, and outright insane magic powers

Clocktower characters are mostly just humans. Even the Demons can be taken down by like 5-6 people

[junior knot]

Courtier only drinks one of them

[lost thistle]

heretic means whoever wins loses and whoever loses wins

[karmic rose]

hermit heretic!!

[thorny summit]

If you execute minions the minstrel could buy you a lot of time

[grizzled marsh]

By definition, one

[junior knot]

That violates their setup text

[grizzled marsh]

And?

[thorny summit]

Unless lions are travelers

[grizzled marsh]

.

[thorny summit]

Wizard could also possibly do something

[junior knot]

What did I do to you

Throwing me against a million lions

[thorny summit]

Wait we just need to get whichever character is stormcaught to fight the lions

[junior knot]

Just have a sailor next to a tea lady and keep choosing her.

Either way he can’t die

[thorny summit]

The lions probably violate Hell's Librarian a lot, but that depends on what the consequences are

[junior knot]

Alhad and shab can keep recycling

Throw in pithag scarlet woman and plague doctor

And you’ve got yourself a party

[thorny summit]

||Ringmaster becomes storyteller, pithag triggers arbitrary deaths, ex-ringmaster kills all lions||

Trust

[low umbra]

Isn’t barista tea lady/professor neighbours enough to win with protecting each other indefinitely?
Can also have something like a good yaggababble on the other side of the chain so then the yagga just kills everyone (or have a boomdandy explosion at any point)

[lost thistle]

but what if they use the lion ladder

[low umbra]

The what?

[lost thistle]

the lion ladder

[low umbra]

What the hell is that?

[lost thistle]

its the lion ladder everyone knows it

[west fox]

The lions just outvote the botc characters every day soooo

[sour harness]

A billion is a lot

[dense moat]

[west fox]

The lions maul the vizier in the dead of night

[low umbra]

Lions should follow legion rules imo

Cause they basically are a huge legion

[west fox]

Lions arent evil tho

theyre just lions

[sour harness]

A billion is a lot

[west fox]

More interesting question: how would a normal game of botc be affected by a billion neutral party lions with full voting power

[sour harness]

How do the lions win

[west fox]

They dont

the lions care not for the outcome of the game

[sour harness]

I think it would be relatively dangerous for the human players

[west fox]

Lion ladder does clear then

[simple crystal]

If we can protect the Leviathan for 5 days we just win. So, we can set up a tea lady + cannibal tea lady setup (using matron and professor) to either a) protect the pit-hagged good Levi, or b) protect the alch-boffin giving the leviathan the vizier ability

That's all ignoring obviously, but the price of winning is likely to be too great to bear, so best just use wizard to protect the important players temporarily, until they set up the immortal leviathan combo

[hollow oasis]

Yes

[junior knot]

They determine who wins by deciding who is still alive irl to vote on final day

[barren sun]

Wizar wishes for all lions to become pacifist vegetarians
Cost is now all bunnies are smarter than humans and will rule us

Also I'm pretty sure the Po would befriend the lions

Are we talking about English billion or everyone else's billion?

Also do lions know how to execute anyone? Otherwise Vortox will devour everyone

[barren sun]

Voudon!

[low umbra]

Pretty sure we’re talking about a milliard

Cause otherwise that would be insane

It’s insane already, but dealing with 1000x more is… yeah

[west fox]

This is true

[sour harness]

10/23: if you were remaking botc from the ground up, what's something you'd change? Bonus points if it's not the same 3 things as everyone else

[low umbra]

nothing

[dusty thistle]

I'd change it to Blood on the Garden Hose

[low umbra]

I am not a game designer and I think that BotC is the best of its kind. So I wouldn’t know where to start in terms of improvements

[fleet hedge]

I would make the rules more intuitive such that pretty much all rulings can be correctly intuited from just the rulebooks

[foggy grotto]

never release Cult Leader, add Shoe Eater, keep everything else the same

[junior knot]

I would probably use tags and classifications for characters and rules, to make interactions easier to reference/define

but that also just may be an artifact of my general design principles

[dry sluice]

I would add a character or Traveler for players who only want to play if they're outed Good

[barren sun]

I don't know what those 3 things are
I couldn't possibly come out with better mechanics so
I'd change the name of the game to "Blood on the Belltower" cause it wouldn't be a nightmare to refer to it in Spanish.

[dry sluice]

I see the reactions to this message, but I wouldn't actually want to Garden a player as the Virgin every game

[junior knot]

but imagine the jokes...

[karmic rose]

I'm not getting any bonus points here, but:

• define "safe" and smooth out a few other keywords
• add the orthodontist token
• reroute the sales proceeds to my bank account

[tidal quiver]

making orthodontist and pumpkin real is certainly my #1 priority

[low umbra]

I actually got so excited when I learned about the orthodontist character

Then I got sad when I realised that it was a joke

And then only after, realised it was fundamentally game breaking in several ways

But also, I think it’s not too bad as long as it isn’t together with shab, since an ortho yag is so goofy lol

[tidal quiver]

but more seriously, I'd make it super clear/specific how wincons work, especially in "ties"

eh I suppse I'm not really answering the question because it'd not really be a change and I just want a clarification

[fast anchor]

give the minions bluffs

[low umbra]

Just put snitch on your scripts more often

Also lying as a good player on day 1 or so is so much fun lmao

[sour harness]

WHAT

NO

[dry sluice]

I would write a 100-page Comprehensive Rules document that still fails to completely specify Mathematician numbers

[low umbra]

Also, has there been a formal monsta write-up? It seems to be less of a meme atp

(lmao I’m so sleep deprived dw about my spelling of ‘write’)

[fast anchor]

do you not like my Steven medway impression :(

[supple dirge]

Remove the line 'drunk and poisoned players have no ability' and say 'When drunk or poisoned players use their ability it doesn't work, and they may get wrong info'

[fleet hedge]

it is interesting to consider whether this would improve the game

Clockwork Cyborg (solo Kazali) has this really different feel because you know the Minions have bluffs

doubleclaims don't matter, so you care a lot less about doing wild bluffs

because pivots aren't inherently suspicious anymore

[acoustic chasm]

It is interesting to consider

[fleet hedge]

I think the game likes the fact that minions don't get bluffs, but as Steven has pointed out that's likely because that's what the game was designed around lol

[unkempt tangle]

Rename drunk and poisoned to something like corrupted

Two words becomes one

[cyan reef]

I too enjoy the game Demon Bluff

[unkempt tangle]

And then make evil characters forced to lie, also the game is a single player deck building roguelike

[tidal quiver]

I (the magician) am in SHAMBLES right now, crashing out rn

[junior knot]

Create a merlin type character where if the demon dies ending the game, they can guess them and win

just bc

[junior knot]

sorry, your ditto eyes gave you away

[fleet hedge]

"You start knowing the evil players. If the demon dies (ending the game) then guesses you, evil wins, even if dead, drunk or poisoned."

[junior knot]

oh no, I meant to reply to hystrex's question with that

[junior knot]

.

[spiral pollen]

more guidance about how to run the game well in the rulebook

there's stuff thats commonly accepted good STing that is absent from the rulebook or at most a suggestion

you have to learn it by fucking up or by reading discord threads

[barren sun]

They whisper it to all good players and start executing. Good luck for evil trying to guess who knew from the start

But I just go an idea with this

[fleet hedge]

like?

[barren sun]

"If your team lost, guess the Grimoire. If correct, your team wins."
HMO

[dry sluice]

As a Townsfolk or a Minion? Or both

[barren sun]

I don't know

[spiral pollen]

there's good stuff in the rulebook admittedly

[barren sun]

I think faster than I can write

[spiral pollen]

but stuff like running the game fast and running accusation / defence

[junior knot]

spy finally has >50% winrate

[fleet hedge]

Classically the original members of TPI don't tend to do a formal accusation/defence

I think the rulebook says you should ask if they have a defence

and I do think the game can run much more smoothly without a set accusation phase

I especially hate when STs prevent others from speaking during this "accusation phase", the game runs much better imo when these accusations form naturally because they always will

[cyan reef]

yeah, give about up to 30 seconds for a defense, that's the rulebook

accusations are just kind of assumed to be part of the discussion leading up to the nomination

[barren sun]

Alright it's either a TF or a minion with a hatejinx on Spy and Widow
Also ability now says even if dead.

I can see something coming up here

[karmic rose]

10/24: What's a niche you find yourself wishing more characters filled?

[warped urchin]

I want more outed evil minions

[karmic rose]

I'm often scriptbuilding and thinking "man, I wish we had more weak townsfolk"

[sour harness]

Gimme more options for poison

And omod but that goes without saying

[dry sluice]

I want more "Each night" / "Each night*" info townsfolk that aren't too strong

[karmic rose]

opposite hat, I want more strong info townsfolk that don't wake!

[dry sluice]

Well, "Each day" like Savant is good too. Is that what you mean?

[karmic rose]

Thinking along the lines of slayer!

I often find myself with scripts where the nights can run pretty long

[sour harness]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[karmic rose]

(sentinel react aside, more characters where the outsider count helps solve the game would be great)

[coarse fern]

Outsiders that can have directly positive utility

I think they’re cool (golem is a good example lol)

[karmic rose]

but yeah I sometimes find myself putting soldier on script bc I don't want to wake up 8 townsfolk in a 14p game

[foggy grotto]

misinfo demons

theres some cool homebrew ones

[karmic rose]

ooh

I think I only know of the necrowhirl?

[sour harness]

-# knowing necrowhirl without xenotoxin is wild but like sure

Yeah there's a bunch

Haerbrake comes to mind as both misinfo AND omod and also something I need to build around one of these days

[foggy grotto]

"The Lady" from @torpid mist's Charged Dinner is a cool one

very simple but works well imo

[karmic rose]

rn I also would love a glass cannon 1kpn demon

(unfortunately it needs to still work if town knows which demon type it is)

also is Kazali a glass cannon in the same way those others are? The others fall apart if demon type is solved in a way that Kazali doesn't

[coarse fern]

It’s much less of a glass cannon yeah

[sour harness]

It's less of a glass cannon but it's not not a glass cannon

[karmic rose]

Right yeah, but I'd put it with pukka or Ojo rather than with Typhon or Vortox

[sour harness]

Sure

so with the weak demons

[coarse fern]

Implying that typhon isn’t weak

[sour harness]

It's balanced on its home script

(china shop)

Weak is also just not a strong enough word for it outside CS

[warm gate]

this might be a specific niche but I'd like maybe one or two demons that are more than 1kpn and can choose who they kill

[karmic rose]

in the Shab/Po sense rather than in the al-had sense, right?

[warm gate]

yep! it's a small problem I've been running into with a couple of the scripts I'm experimenting with rn

[warped urchin]

I'm not really sure ojo is correct

[karmic rose]

fair lol

[junior knot]

i think there's not enough in the non-poison non-death ability malfunction space.

like Vortox and || Daughter of Nox || are the only ones i know of off the top of my head

(also technically pithag / wizard / etc)

[warped urchin]

Second one of those isnt even a thing

So

[junior knot]

ok you're right linus, I forgot about misreg

[dry sluice]

I agree I want more though

[junior knot]

like ones that mess with abilities in specific ways, sort of like that djinnlegger script where abilities activated one day later

that could be a cool demon ability you have to solve for in an snv type scape

i also believe most of the en/en* townsfolk are pretty passive in their info gathering, so id like to see some more with some agency

like fortune teller chambermaid dreamer vs flowergirl math oracle

[viscid citrus]

i think characters whose role it is to play for the social health of the game, like the deviant, are rly fun and if there was some way of more of those it would be neat ^^

[sharp violet]

I like all the "You start knowing" characters. Yes, I know we already have 10-ish, but more is still good

[junior knot]

i want some townsfolk in the yagga vein

[sharp violet]

I was thinking closer to Godfather

[junior knot]

like a savant sidegrade where you learn a statement at the top of the game, and then en* learn whether it was true or false that day

for example

more that they have something they can do with it in the future, rather than specifically yagga like (cough gossip cough)

[fleet hedge]

Outsiders that get info

[low umbra]

I want more characters that gain information about comparing players’ alignment or something. I don’t know how that’s possible, but I want more information that’s related to other good players in some way

That feels really vague, but I don’t really know how else to describe it

Also I really want more variety of quiet minions. I’ve been struggling to make a few scripts feel complete as a result of lacking those sorts of things

[low umbra]

Yeah same ngl

[pseudo fulcrum]

this is a really fun question to see peoples' answers and think about what unreleased characters fill those spots

[uneven field]

I want more consultation roles, good and evil

I want to give people reasons to talk to the ST and to do things during the daytime other than the regular motions

[barren sun]

Completely unique abilities ( , , , , , , , etc)
I usually find characters like or a bit boring cause others are very similar ( , , -> You start kind of confirming a good player; -> You don't always control your vote;...)

[hearty aspen]

I'd really like a non-Shabaloth alternative for evil to bluff Professor. Professor is fun and I want it to be able to go on more scripts!

[simple crystal]

I want more variations of similar abilities tbh - characters that aren't groundbreaking, but fill script building niches in different ways from existing chargers *characters

A bigger variety of misinfo, more ST-dictated info roles to balance out nonconformist characters, more death-mod to make non-bmr bmr-likes possible

Actually a particular niche that I really want is more win con fuckery: characters like heretic, goblin, evil twin, ~marionette, ~lleech, that make good less certain on how to win, and therefore need to spend information on figuring out their win con rather than every game just being a demon hunt

[lost thistle]

i want more madness characters

[cold veldt]

this is so true

[lost thistle]

theres only four of them and three fill a very similar role of “be mad about being X character and dont be mad about Y” (for mutant you choose what X is) and also harpy

[tough silo]

I want more each night* characters

More YSK characters with niche infos.

More Bad Moon Rising style characters (in the townfolk outsider side)

[tough silo]

There is Al had but it is super obvious when it does that

[low umbra]

I would also really like to see more OPGs or public claim characters. Something like alsaahir (I love Alsaahir but I think it’s lacking support a lot of the time which feels kind of tragic)

[hearty aspen]

Yeah... I like Show Me Wonders just for letting Al-Had pull this off more convincingly

[acoustic chasm]

i want weaker townsfolk. more interesting misinformation. more silent minions.

idk what specifically i need

i think misregistration works really well on trouble brewing and the townsfolk are really well made to cope with it and make it interesting

i want more townsfolk that deal with with misregistration, and more sources of it

like recluse/spy+ savant is a pet peeve of mine and maybe it's okay actually but still

I want more ways for good players to survive execution during the day

So that the BMR puzzle can be shown in more different ways

weak information is hard to make though

[karmic rose]

agreed

[acoustic chasm]

But lemme think

[pastel prism]

I want more Outsiders like Puzzlemaster that cause a devastating effect but can potentially salvage cool info out of it
Also, more Outsider modification.

[karmic rose]

especially because "you're this townsfolk but worse" can suck

[acoustic chasm]

ye

but honestly

if we are looking at

[pastel prism]

Also, timer demons have more potential than just Leviathan and Riot, good thing Garden of Sin will exist someday

[acoustic chasm]

'what would we want as script-makers

Then ye, I want a whole lot of boring characters

[pastel prism]

yeah, more simple Townsfolk would provide a lot of options and diversity

[karmic rose]

ye, even just townsfolk that narrow down demon/minion type directly would be fun

YSK two evil characters: neither is in play

[acoustic chasm]

this has inspired me

i'm just gonna make

boring homebrew

[karmic rose]

based

[acoustic chasm]

really boring alt versiosn of townsfolk

like the classic

Acroman - Each night, choose a player: they are sober and healthy.

[pastel prism]

side note, i like the existing townsfolk that all pretty much amount to "you don't need to kill this player, leave them alone" but in different ways

[acoustic chasm]

well

[pastel prism]

Washerwoman, Librarian, Grandmother, Steward, Knight are the ones i recall

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every townsfolk is about ruling out demon canddiates

or giving leads

fortune teller is like that