secret thing

[karmic rose]

singular legion!!!

[versed junco]

Just one Leg

[sour harness]

Wait et banned??

Booo

Why is evil twin banned????

[dusty thistle]

Ignore it. People have been ignoring the Legion ban

Oh and sorry about the ping

[sour harness]

(it's fine)

[sour harness]

If ET is truly banned then put me down as witch

[versed junco]

They did that in Salem

[karmic rose]

In my defense I'm Jared 19

[unkempt tangle]

Why would ET be banned?

I don't think it breaks anything

[tardy wyvern]

[sharp violet]

I took the list of banned characters from a text game, where Evil Twin does not work well

[unkempt tangle]

Why does et not work in text

[pure meadow]

Et was fine in text when I played it? I really don’t see why text would ban it??

[sharp violet]

the social drain of being the good twin is fine for small doses of live games like 1-2 hours, but much worse when the game lasts 1-2 weeks

[karmic rose]

yeah, being the good twin can be rough if you didn't sign up for a twin script

[dusty thistle]

Btw I've been meaning to ask how you long text players handle the stress.

I've just finished my first long text game, that was one of the most stressful weeks of my life.

[fast anchor]

you don't

[dusty thistle]

I see

Okay, I am never doing that again.

[sharp violet]

1. If you're not actively participating in the game at that moment, don't dwell on it, it creates unnecessary hassle.
2. Be OK with losing or things going wrong, it just means the opposing team is playing well, you can celebrate together after the game.
3. Despite these tips, stress will still come, take a short break to gather your thoughts then once you've done all you can, acknowledge that it's out of your control now.

[dusty thistle]

Thanks! Now that I think about it, the fact that I was the demon might have made it a bit more stressful.

[inner gazelle]

If the ST asks if everything’s okay or if you want a sub, genuinely consider the question.

[unkempt tangle]

My ST took ages and 12p TB lasted like 2 weeks or more

[sharp violet]

That certainly would be a heightening factor

[tardy wyvern]

I've been the demon in the only longtext game I've played on this server, and it was definitely an experience lol

[unkempt tangle]

I was the spy

[dusty thistle]

New player curse. To be expected tbh.

[tardy wyvern]

Slightly heightened by the fact that I genuinely believed I was the lunatic for 3 in game days

[dusty thistle]

Oh same!

For me it was only the first two tho

Actually just day 2

[tardy wyvern]

Partially because I had a marionette, my other minion was extremely suspicious and was a longtext veteran, and also there was a puzzledrunk magician. Additionally, there were two people in that game who had "Alex" in their name, so I thought the person I saw as my Lunatic was claiming Gossip and was the only explanation for multiple deaths

[dusty thistle]

Mine was me just being paranoid about being strung along by my neighbor.

[sharp violet]

That can happen even without a slow ST, imagine a scenario where you have a 24 hour day, and nominations only end up coming in at the very end, then it takes another 24 hours for the last player to vote on them, then that night takes another 24 hours for everyone to check in
That’s a 3-day timeframe for 1 day cycle, now imagine if that happens each day throughout the game, that could easily reach 2.5 weeks

[dusty thistle]

Did you win?

[tardy wyvern]

Yeah we executed the Goblin

[dusty thistle]

Nice.

[tardy wyvern]

Oh yeah also one of my friends who was in that game was the savant but was claiming amnesiac which I got as a bluff

[unkempt tangle]

Yeah

[dusty thistle]

Also I found out long text has a Po addiction

[unkempt tangle]

I also FOOLISHLY signed up for long text with someone I interacted with daily irl

Thank GOODNESS we were both evil

Otherwise the paranoia might have killed me

[dusty thistle]

Probably would've killed them too

[unkempt tangle]

Yeah

[tardy wyvern]

I fortunately have never played text with anyone I've met in person, but the one text game I'm talking about was when me and 5 of my friends from another community decided to invade a longtext game because we thought it would be fun

[sharp violet]

Does someone who’s responded want to be a traveler?

[junior knot]

[unkempt tangle]

Is this real?

Can I join

Or is it full

[sharp violet]

I have too many respondents to add everyone as a non traveler

[fast anchor]

it's not an actual game but it's just a grim roll

for funsies

[sharp violet]

But if you want to travel then sure

I like travelers

[unkempt tangle]

Posting the characters you could be publicly is fucked up

[karmic rose]

I've played a fair amount of text with people I know irl

It's... not as bad as you'd think

[unkempt tangle]

I'll travel

Do I choose or u choose

[junior knot]

Me too

[sharp violet]

Either

[unkempt tangle]

Lemme be the Cacklejack

[junior knot]

Can I be Gnome?

[dusty thistle]

This is whalebuffet...

[unkempt tangle]

Exactly

It's going to be awesome

[dusty thistle]

Cracklejack is banned for the same reason Pit Hag is banned...

[unkempt tangle]

Well

With Cacklejack the ST can choose

So I don't see why it would break the game like ph

[sharp violet]

Which means I can choose among their other picks

So I’m allowing it

[unkempt tangle]

Exactly

[dusty thistle]

Oh true

What the ST says goes!

Question: how does Hermit work on this script?

[junior knot]

All outsider all the time

[sharp violet]

3 outsider abilities of my choice, they learn which

[unkempt tangle]

Either the game explodes, or that yeah

[junior knot]

unless they're drunk?

/luna

[sharp violet]

Unless they’re drunk or lunatic, yes

[junior knot]

Does everyone know the potential hermit abilities?

[unkempt tangle]

So, any random player might be a drunk with the saint ability

[sharp violet]

Nope, if they're the drunk they're just the drunk

I'm not that mean]

[sharp violet]

Anything that can be picked

But I do still need 1 more traveler because neither of you submitted before and I have 16 non-traveler submissions

[fast anchor]

Rack me in as the Beggar 🫡

[sharp violet]

alright

19 players!

[dusty thistle]

Goddammit evil again

Still cool!

[sharp violet]

they still do work in whalebuffet draft because your character type isn't predetermined and you submit roles for every eventuality

[dusty thistle]

Oh they do? Explains why Kazali is banned.

And Legion

[sharp violet]

Also I was unsure whether or not to ban Summoner

[dusty thistle]

Somebody needs to run Kaz in regular whalebucket

[sharp violet]

my picks for whalebuffets are:
TF: VI
Outsider: Zealot
Minion: Spy
Demon: Shabaloth

[pure meadow]

I love being the chef with a 0 :D

[unkempt tangle]

It's a 1

[junior knot]

Waffles is mutant

[versed junco]

I pick the gnome

[junior knot]

I travel out

[versed junco]

I

win?

[tardy wyvern]

my bad proxi

[sharp violet]

I was hoping a 3rd person had submitted VI

but alas

[tardy wyvern]

Glad this game isn't real though, I'd hate to have to play a lleech game

[low umbra]

Hell yeah I’m the psychopath!
We are almost definitely losing but it’ll be fun lol

That lleech host is dying from so many things lol

[dusty thistle]

Well first of all, the lleech host traveled out

[unkempt tangle]

Who

[junior knot]

Hi

[unkempt tangle]

Can the leech host a traveller

[olive marsh]

sure but i don’t advise it

[unkempt tangle]

travellers travelling out doesn't count as them dying, right?

so in that case the lleech is immortal

[karmic rose]

it does count as them dying

or like, that's clearly intended here

[junior knot]

(I pretended I was evil)

[coarse fern]

I will take it

[sour harness]

Eyyy I'm confirmed

[karmic rose]

shugenja placement of all time

[dusty thistle]

You're pointing at the traveler

I also make you mad that Chickoo is evil

[pure meadow]

But what if I stole the confirmation from you, wouldn't be the first time I got washerwoman confirmed as not the ww target in a bucket game :3

[supple dirge]

Nice, I'm gooning it. Hope I turn evil

[fallow rapids]

I'd like to double the Lleech N2 onwards so it looks line a shab game thanks

[pure meadow]

I love a barista doubled demon in a lycan game :D

[dusty thistle]

Barista double n1 for two hosts.

[sour harness]

Thank you for the react that was good

[next marlin]

Vatinovus let's fucking go

[lost thistle]

who are you making mad

[flat lintel]

20?

[sharp violet]

I didn't get enough submissions for 20 - unless you'd like to travel in

[flat lintel]

yeah!

[tidal quiver]

of course vati is the cere

[naive flame]

@fallow rapids

[fallow rapids]

what

[tidal quiver]

could you rack me in as the doomsayer

[vital nova]

Yeah Besjbo and I broke a language... more than that though (and for this I am annoyed at the ST for...) no translator tool was provided when I was forced to speak a language I did not know and had not solved the Amne consequence yet (it was break and be executed but for all I knew it was Damsel guess or something), I was told tough luck and be quiet or find a way around, which just made me stubborn. Besjbo found the translator, but this was earlllllyy days GPT and it was clearly a tiny model of biblical sources... so we started sounding very biblical and the model became notably more colloquial during the day 💀

Besjbo found the tool and was my neighbor who spend an unlimited neighbor whisper to play translator all day, was before we were close and actually an incredibly sweet moment I didn't forget 😊

[lost thistle]

uh

why the fire react

[sour harness]

The second half of it

I guess less than half

[sharp violet]

9/18: What's the best amount of Village Idiots to put in the bag and why?

[next marlin]

0

[sharp violet]

and why

[warped urchin]

0 because you should give it as a bluff

[fast anchor]

1 because this time evil will bluff it and sell the sober one as the drunk. Evil will bluff VI this time I swear. The minion will bluff VI this time I can feel it in my bones

[simple crystal]

wait do minions not bluff VI??? I love bluffing VI

[naive flame]

09/18/25

changing Whalebuffet topic..

You are given a chance to change a character's wording to your liking..what would you give it's new definition/ability text?

I honestly don't know if this counts as a HB lmao

[next marlin]

There is actively a question right now, please check first

[fallow rapids]

mods can we get an Official Secret Thing Queue

ignore the fact that it makes this Public Thing

[naive flame]

Honestly just 2️⃣ is enough.

A drunk VI and a sober VI

You can mix it up and add in a to the mix

And now they'll be concerned if there info is true

(tho, only do this if the demon you have is lacking misinfo)

(or you think it's a best play, not saying you SHOULD puzzle drunk the sober VI)

But yeah, ly speaking 2️⃣ is enough.

-# pun intended.

[next marlin]

1. Emphatically not
2. I'm in early planning stages of "write a secret-thing pin" which would if it happens include guidelines for checking that you're not doubleposting
3. If you notice people in the discussion channels repeatedly overstepping the boundaries of others or otherwise disregarding matters of widespread concern, please make a ticket

[low umbra]

4 tokens because a drunk and a guaranteed marionette are always fun to interact with /s

[flat lintel]

Noooo my dream

[flat lintel]

This sounds cool.

I think a queue might help. It also might help if people who asked a question avoid asking one for like 2-3 days to give other people a shot. I know there’s some days I have a banger thought and I can’t post it bc a) American time zone, b) someone’s actively like hunting this.

I do think pinging QOTD helps 😭

[flat lintel]

I don’t know. I kinda dislike VI, but I don’t, maybe 2? 3 is kinda what everyone runs and I don’t think it’s super fun

[olive marsh]

i don’t typically see a lot of 3s?

[flat lintel]

Oh interesting

I mean when I see VI, it’s often off server and it’s often 2-3, mainly 3

Haven’t seen VI in server a lot

But iirc text loves VI?

[naive flame]

Yeah, (2) Village idiots is enough.

[fallow rapids]

VI but they're drunk, hermit drunk, marionette

[acoustic chasm]

3 is good

[dry sluice]

everyone's first Village Idiot bag is "hey check this out! 3 VIs and a Pixie VI and an Evil Twin VI and a Washerwoman sees the Spy as a VI and the Cerenovus is making someone mad as VI and..."

The best number of VIs is 1. a VI script must be able to handle a solo VI choosing the demon N1, so don't be a coward

[acoustic chasm]

There will be distrust of the VIs

i dislike 2 because solving which one's drunk can be a bit awkward

But it can work

[warped urchin]

Thats the point!

VI's dont get literally the best information in the game for free

[acoustic chasm]

That's an exaggeration

I never said they should get it for free

3 doesn't give it to them for free

[junior knot]

Spycluse time!

[acoustic chasm]

But 2 is [+Drunk]

[karmic rose]

VI works such that (if your storyteller is competent wrt not making VIs the Drunk) if evil frequently bluffs VI, a VI can mostly trust their own info but other VI claims have info not worth building around

[acoustic chasm]

In some bags 2 can work. Being careful with [+the Drunk] is important though

Because you are replacing a Townsfolk in that bag with something less than a Townsfolk

[junior knot]

(uness , but don't)

or be real careful

[dry sluice]

If you build yourself as a drunk VI, then your role is "You know that the other VI claim is real." It's less damaging than Drunk

[acoustic chasm]

It is less damaging than the drunk.

[junior knot]

Except it 'confirms' another player when they could be bluffing and you are droisoned for other reasons

so in some cases its worse

or at least compounding

[karmic rose]

If both VI claims check someone, they get the same answer (confirming the result) or different answers (the player who was checked learns which VI got correct info)

[acoustic chasm]

My full view is that:
Village Idiots add someone who gets damaging info for the town with 2+.
Village Idiots also give evil an effective bluff.

Building yourself as a drunk Village Idiot is often not as simple as this because you're sorting through the other Village Idiot claims, some of which are good, others of which are evil. It takes a lot of mental load! Even if the character's info is simple, the puzzle it creates can be difficult to work through. This puzzle is more difficult than several other characters.

[acoustic chasm]

This assumes that those Village Idiots are truthful.

[junior knot]

Also everyone you check will say they're good!

[acoustic chasm]

Bluffing Village Idiot is unusually potent for evil.

[dry sluice]

TBH, a lot of droisoning roles don't mix well with VI, just because "Two droisoned VIs" is so damaging.

What types do mix well? ? ? + ?? Idk

[acoustic chasm]

Amy's point more is

If two Village Idiots pick you, and one says you're good, and the other says you're evil

[junior knot]

I was responding to your second paragraph autumn

[acoustic chasm]

ah of course

oki

[karmic rose]

fair, I forgor the case where both VI claims are evil

[acoustic chasm]

lemme look

[junior knot]

that you still have to solve whether someone is good or not

[acoustic chasm]

yup

I did mentio that

In response to Amy

The joy of delayed communication

Village Idiot is weird when I script with it]

[acoustic chasm]

This is the problem I run into

[junior knot]

It's always fun when the Vizier adamantly claims villlage idiot

(theyr'e cerelocked)

[acoustic chasm]

I think things like Vigormortis, Pukka, Xaan, and Lleech can work

[junior knot]

Vigor poison isnt real

[dusty thistle]

At that point I'd break on the off chance to waste executions

[acoustic chasm]

Poisoner Village Idiot I hold is just bad

I want Village Idiot to be paired with a bunch of good characters that cause misinformation

Fortune Teller, Lycanthrope, things like that.

[karmic rose]

VI/mutant is very funny

[acoustic chasm]

But the scripts I make from that don't really bare fruit

[acoustic chasm]

it is

[dusty thistle]

If the law exists but every is breaking it and nobody is enforcing it, is it really an effective law?

[acoustic chasm]

don't let big dashii convince you otherwise

[junior knot]

VI + 3. Philo VI, Pixie VI, Drunk VI, Mutant VI, Damsel VI, ET VI, Mario VI, Cere->VI, Harpy->VI (Lot/LM Game)

[dusty thistle]

Nobody ever builds Vigor poison

[dusty thistle]

Add a Philo-VI

And a Canni-VI

And an Alc+Boffin giving the recluse the VI ability.

Wait actually it can't do that if 3 VIs are in play

[junior knot]

And then of course you have your Bird VIs trying to bait a kill

[next marlin]

Huge fan of the definition of Legion as a droisoning role

[fallow rapids]

alignment chart for "droison" includes madness misinfo as chaotic good and Legion as chaotic neutral

[lost thistle]

what would be chaotic evil

[junior knot]

Good players lying for no reason

(for 'chaos' purposes)

[lost thistle]

wait no

chaotic evil is devil’s advocate

da is droison

[junior knot]

Assassin is droison

Tbf so is lunatic/lycan

[lost thistle]

lawful evil is probably atheist

[junior knot]

Or monk innk sailor TL soldier

Anything that pings math right?

[junior knot]

Lawful evil is Alch OG

Neutral evil is bluffing the Courtier/Ojo into missing

[sour harness]

2 is the default number, other numbers exist for the bluffspace

It's most volatile at 2 which is a good thing because it's literally a cop

[olive marsh]

even if you can’t solve for sure which of the two is drunk, they still narrow worlds pretty well

[tardy wyvern]

3

The more village idiots the better

Don't @ Me

[tacit fiber]

@tardy wyvern

[tardy wyvern]

Blows you up

[junior knot]

Based on your setup text shouldn't it be 4?

[naive flame]

What the— HELP

[barren zenith]

I love the fact this has the connotation that Dell is a Village Idiot

[pastel prism]

is there a question for today? i have something in mind but am unsure if i have to wait

[warped urchin]

I don't believe so

[pastel prism]

kay

9/19: What are the most forgettable characters of each character type, in your opinion? (As in the ones you forget about entirely, rather than just the dislikeable ones.)

[worldly jasper]

I’d answer but I forgot what I was going to say

[dusty thistle]

[fast anchor]

Hey, Exorcist isn't forgettable

The Po's always bluffing it

[fallow rapids]

[N/A][N/A][N/A]

i tried to find my most forgettable characters by writing all the characters out

i only forgot sage

sorry sage

[fast anchor]

[dusty thistle]

I mean I went through the list and chose the ones I routinely forget exist

And that's coming from someone who wrote a Solo-Shab script!

Really? Boomdandy and Lleech?

[fallow rapids]

no i think Lleech is so bad at being a character it ends up being memorably bad

[cold veldt]

i strongly disagree with boomdandy

[dusty thistle]

Actually, strike Lleech from the record. I agree with lleech

But Boomdandy is weird.

[pastel prism]

i agree with snitch personally

[fast anchor]

I like Boomdandy but it feels like just another Goblin

And people use (and misuse) Goblin far more

[next marlin]

Lleech isn't bad, it's just doing an unusual enough thing to warp play patterns significantly while appearing on many more scripts than usual for such roles

[fast anchor]

I can't really think of a notable Boomdandy script other than Ride the Cyclone, which has only barely breached containment

(and Night-Vision Goggles but that doesn't count)

[dusty thistle]

Extension Cord?!?!

[pastel prism]

i see Boomdandy and Goblin as two different approaches to the Jester role archetype that social deduction games seem to be obsessed with

[next marlin]

If heretic was on 20% of scripts and was in play like half the time on all of them everyone would have vitriol for it

[fast anchor]

right I forgot Boomdandy was on Extension Cord

That's fair

[cold veldt]

gotta mention TPOT

[next marlin]

You've betrayed Jarhed

[next marlin]

Deeply inside containment

[cold veldt]

it's been on the TPI stream

[fast anchor]

It's on the TPI YouTube channel

[next marlin]

So have all kinds of things

[fast anchor]

Fair enough

[dusty thistle]

Advanced Dungeons and Demons has been on TPI

And so has Pass the Parcel

[fast anchor]

AD&D was a World Cup script

so of course that's been on TPI

[dusty thistle]

It is?

[fallow rapids]

snitch is probably the most forgettable outsider but in a vacuum i think butler would be if it wasn't on TB

[fast anchor]

It lost to Bait & Switch, yeah

4th place

[next marlin]

I tend to think highranking wc1 scripts are inherently broadly known but I also learnt everything I know about customs from Axo who is not a helpful benchmark on this matter

[fast anchor]

I was going to put Zealot as my most forgettable before remembering people do strange things with it on TB

[dusty thistle]

I only know Dusk in the House and Boozling

[fast anchor]

Butler has a whole innocence project, it's not forgettable

[next marlin]

Eh people play zealot variants way less than ogre variants

[next marlin]

Roundabout game 3 soon

[fast anchor]

Yeah but when Zealot dropped we got 5 versions of Molotovs Throwing that got developed independently of each other

[cold veldt]

i think knight is a good contender for forgettable townsfolk. whenever i look at what YSKs i can throw on a script, it's always the last one i think of

[dusty thistle]

And then nobody has touched them since!

[fast anchor]

It's definitely up there with Steward as being very generic

[cold veldt]

steward is generic but versatile

[dusty thistle]

It's the Star Wars Holiday Special of BOTC scripts.

[next marlin]

That always happens and in the long term people don't play Pies Burning much as far as pieslikes go

[fast anchor]

Hystrex is typing...

[cold veldt]

knight is generic but like with demon mobility scripts it can end up kinda sucking due to ST choices

[fast anchor]

show the knight the goblin :)

[dusty thistle]

I'd have put Zealot down, but it's my least favorite character so I don't forget about it.

[fallow rapids]

Zealot as a least favourite character is respectable

idk why TPI needs a character that takes away most player agency as an outsider

i can name most minions and give a reason why they're interesting i guess

[dusty thistle]

Do it to the tune of "Modern Major General"

[fallow rapids]

🎶 🎶

rhyming is hard

[fast anchor]

i am the very model of a modern clocktow'r scriptbuilder
i've information on the base 3, customs, good and off-kilter
i know the World Cup customs and can name the matches, all of them
from boo-zah-ling to cold outside both still-beloved and now-condemned

[dusty thistle]

This is amazing. Now I want to try it myself.

[cyan reef]

this might make sense if a player's agency was solely limited to how they vote

[jovial ingot]

yippee

[dusty thistle]

I am the very model of a modern major General;
I've information good, evil, and sometimes rarely nuetral;
I know which team is winning on a scale of one to five oh yes,
And plotted on a line graph at the visual learner's grand behest.

Axo's is better.

[fallow rapids]

i lurk in #custom-script-discussion till i get into a fight
i facepalm every-now-and-then from scripts that should have SOI
the balancing of all my scripts is the primary goal...
but i'll just throw in Vortox so my group can truly be controlled

🎶 🎶

[fast anchor]

she just throws in vortox so her group can truly be controlled
she just throws in vortox so her group can truly be controlled
she just throws in vortox so her group can truly be control-controlledddd

[dusty thistle]

I snap at all the amateurs who ignore basic principles;
And criticize new scriptwriters who don't know certain tricks to pull;
And never are my suggestions very easy to understand;
(Yes understand...)
And even then I see myself among the best scriptwriters in the land!

[fast anchor]

and never are his suggestions very easy to understand
but even then he sees himself among the best in all the land

all right, wrap it up, crew

[karmic rose]

this is fantastic

[olive marsh]

damn this is exactly the type of exercise i would usually love but i can’t think of anything right now 😔

[olive marsh]

experimentals all because i can name every b3 character from memory (slowly)

[tidal quiver]

okay the modern major general bars are amazing

[junior knot]

Like many others my first script was modified trouble brewing;
At that point I still had no idea what the hell I was doing;
I now know good interactions as well as many scripting sins;
From solo gossip deathmod to pithag plus scarlet woman;
I have built many custom scripts yet im still inexperienced;
I have not played enough games to have accounted for the variance;
I've storytold and played in games, the chaos you would not believe;
Good players lied for no reason, as uncommon for SDGs;

For my scripting knowledge, though I'm elaborate and clear;
Has only been brought down to about this time last year;
But still in matters demon, townsfolk, minion or outsider;
I am the very model of a modern clocktow'r scriptbuilder.

[dusty thistle]

In short in matter demon, townsfolk, mini-ion or outsider;
He is the very model of a modern clocktow'r scriptbuilder.

[foggy grotto]

[dusty thistle]

Oh right, travelers and fabled

[junior knot]

The whole type

[foggy grotto]

also pirates of penzance mentioned 🗣️🗣️🗣️

[junior knot]

Tom Lehrer relevant 🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️

[dusty thistle]

In addition to my earlier decisions

[worldly jasper]

*fabled buddhist

[low burrow]

Buddhist

For the first 2 minutes of each day, veteran players may not talk.

[feral snow]

I did a sporcle quiz

It was missing the carousel 5

But out of the 168 characters in the quiz, I remembered 163 in the 20 minute timer

I forgot Fisherman, Gardener, Nighwatchman, Plague Doctor, Revolutionary

If that’s not a definite proof of which characters I forget most then idk what is

Well fwiw I don’t really forget about fisherman or plague doctor the way I forget about gardener

But like it’s fine

[tardy wyvern]

I also just took a quiz

The only two I missed were Boomdandy and Duchess

[karmic rose]

strangely enough i think professor was my last one i remembered

[fleet hedge]

I think I'd go through all the base scripts first

[unkempt tangle]

where can i find quiz

[junior knot]

there are a couple on sporcle

[grizzled marsh]

I had a list in mind but i forgot

[lost thistle]

honestly every minion is rememberable i got nothing for this one

riot is forgettable because nobody runs it

[fleet hedge]

do people just not play S&V

[hollow oasis]

Thats bmr

[versed junco]

Riot's on bmr?

[supple dirge]

Yeah its on bmr with lleech

[versed junco]

ohhhh NOOOOOOO

[olive marsh]

can i reserve the next question?

[pastel prism]

sure thing!

[olive marsh]

wrote it down this time because every time i have an idea for this or CIT i forget it before i get the chance to post it 🙈

[dusty thistle]

I found it's really more that the other SnV outsiders are just much flashier. Barber is really cool, Klutz is really cool, and Mutant is iconic. Sweetheart is kinda just overshadowed.

[karmic rose]

a lot of scripts that want ST-placed droison want it in the form of a Drunk or Puzzlemaster as well so that YSK roles can be affected

[olive marsh]

yeah i've been struggling with writing scripts with reasonable misinfo for n1 😭

[fleet hedge]

yeah Sweetheart is great on S&V where a Drunk or Puzzlemaster would just be way too rough on good with all the other misinfo

[low umbra]

Same. I kinda just go ‘eh, slap on that and it’s totally fine frfr’

[olive marsh]

doesnt work great with science

[grizzled marsh]

Tbf you can already ask it now?

[olive marsh]

i guess? it’s not midnight for me yet and there are still people replying to the previous one so i’m happy to wait

[grizzled marsh]

Timezones 💀

[supple dirge]

9/20 what do you think tomorrow's question will be? /s

[junior knot]

Who let the dogs out?

Didn't we do this question already

[sharp violet]

We've done a lot of questions already, duplicates aren't prohibited

[junior knot]

But like in the past month?

[sharp violet]

technically it was over a month ago

[lost thistle]

9/20 whats your favorite balatro hand

[sour harness]

Flush house prob

[pure meadow]

I like a nice simple flush

[dusty thistle]

High card. Its just such a versatile build, you're practically guarenteed to pull Photochad, or FT, or something that synergizes really well.

[coarse fern]

Full house is cool

Not bc it’s neccesarily good

But bc I like it

[dusty thistle]

9/20 what's your favorite StS character?

[warped urchin]

I'm gonna pretend to know what sts is and say joker

[karmic rose]

4oak is pretty good for balatro hands

[dusty thistle]

Slay the spire

The better deckbuilding roguelike.

[warped urchin]

Is there a joker in it

[dusty thistle]

(Also the harder one)

[dusty thistle]

No

[warped urchin]

Aww

[supple dirge]

I love John Spire from Slay the spire

[coarse fern]

Based answer

[sour harness]

If I could play 4s I'd usually rather play 5s

[sour harness]

Silent because I don't suck with her

[dusty thistle]

Silent is the only one I haven't beaten the heart with

[sour harness]

Oh lol

[dusty thistle]

I keep getting to the heart, she's my highest ascencion, she dies there every time

[sour harness]

I've beaten the heart with everyone but idk if I've beaten even a1 with everyone

[karmic rose]

4s are actually meaningfully easier to reliably play at higher stakes ime, and you can start scaling them earlier

[low umbra]

Defect is def my fav, but as expected I’ve had by far the most success with Watcher

[dusty thistle]

Defect is mine too. Got me my first heart kill with a truly insane Creative AI+Mummy Hand combo. One of my favorite runs of all time

[sour harness]

Just pull an erratic deck with seven 9s and eight 5s and play 5oak as your first hand

Surely this is consistent and not just something I happened to do today

[coarse fern]

It’s inconsistent bc it would require me to play erratic deck

[olive marsh]

ok i’m here

[9/20] what character do you want to see people put on scripts (or in the bag) more and why?

it can be because you think it’s underrated, you love it and just want to see it more, anything!

it’s entirely possible this has been asked before

[junior knot]

[tidal quiver]

I think king+CB and acrobat (separately) are really cool characters that rarely appear on scripts (understandably, king+CB is so hard to make a satisfying evil suite around without nullifying it completely)

but also people should just put soldier in the bag more until morale improves and people learn to like it

[olive marsh]

THANK you

i’m a soldier lover

[coarse fern]

Acrobat (and golem but that’s obvious)

Acrobat is a sick character

[supple dirge]

I'd like to see evil twin on more custom scripts, I think it would be interesting with a bunch of other good characters as twins

[olive marsh]

i wanna see more shab

[tardy wyvern]

I think courtier works on specific scripts when there are good reasons to use it on characters that aren’t just demons

Such as very damaging outsiders or minions

[junior knot]

?

[sharp violet]

, and as of watching the newest Grin Scenarios podcast episode,

[olive marsh]

i love general!!!! i need to listen to that episode

[fast anchor]

straight 💸 🖨️

[junior knot]

wrong server for that lol

[grizzled marsh]

, you basically play an heretic script or you won’t play a script featuring heretic (+ if the script was decided by the ST, it will be in play)

[naive flame]

[naive flame]

Sure its a better butler but it has so much potential and it can be BRUTAL if were talking about it in Legion games(tho im sure theres a jinx for it)

[low umbra]

There is a jinx for zealot/riot. The zealot might register as evil to the legion’s ability (ie, won’t count as a good vote for the cancellation)

[lost thistle]

riot

[naive flame]

people sometimes doesn't even..have them

I guess is also just forgotten 😢

[karmic slate]

YEEEE

Go play Conjectures of a Conspiracy Theorist! >:3

[fast anchor]

there's an axowriteup on it >:)

[karmic slate]

Sad I haven’t ran it in person just yet but soon hopefully!

[pastel prism]

can i see it

i love writeups

[olive marsh]

https://www.tumblr.com/axolator/795193213824712704/script-a-day-51-conjectures-of-a-conspiracy?source=share

i yap about blood on the clocktower

Script-A-"Day" #51: Conjectures of a Conspiracy Theorist by Paradox

Now listen here and listen well, I don't have much time......

Tumblr · Sep 20, 2025, 8:02 AM

[pastel prism]

yippee!

https://tenor.com/view/yes-yes-sir-yayy-kataman-gif-12260883688244422951

[pastel prism]

one thing i learned from this other than "conjectures of a conspiracy theorist is a good, well-designed script! :D" is that the Riot transformation occurs during the day when nominations open, instead of the night before, so i will definitely keep that in mind

[feral snow]

It can happen at night or in the day according to Steven

[pastel prism]

hm, alright

i assume it can happen at any point during the day as well?

(also assuming the Riot change has to happen after everyone else at night used their abilities so that they aren't seen as Riot by good characters and can still use their abilities?)

[lean isle]

Yeah. Riot change time is not defined (night or day are both valid options) and essentially is up to ST.

[fast anchor]

if you want more, you can browse the tag or just look at the masterpost, btw :3

i'm glad you got something out of it!

[pastel prism]

i'm going to eat the writeups

nom

[fast anchor]

[pastel prism]

btw, is Advanced the middleground between Intermediate and Expert here?

[supple dirge]

You could give a sober savant something like 'one of your neighbors is a minion or one of your neighbors is a minion'

[pastel prism]

i think if i become a storyteller for a riot script (which won't be for a while lmao) i'll just make the Riot change happen exactly when the first D3 nomination happens, and inform the players that that's how i'll run it

no matter when you make the riot change, do you have to tell the minions that the became the riot at night or can you just.,., not do that (only relevant when it comes to marionette shenanigans pretty sure, but i still wonder)

[supple dirge]

The how to run says you still tell them even if they change later

[pastel prism]

okie thanks, i forgor

[junior knot]

[9/21]: Story Time: What's the worst mistake that has directly impacted you as a player in a game that you have experienced?

(of clocktower of course)

[pure meadow]

Once an st I played with read vortox as a might in a game of snv where I was a good twin … i think I was hard confirmed evil by the end of it

[olive marsh]

in a semi-recent teensy game (charmed, truly), my ST thought “minion” was an immutable property of anyone who pulled a minion token from the bag and not just the character type, so when the demon barberswapped the poisoner and the dead barber and then starpassed, she turned the evil barber into the imp instead of ending the game

additionally, this was both of those players’ first experience with the barber so the night took a shockingly long time as the st had to write out an explanation for what had happened and that they were still their starting alignment

this impacted me as a player because i was the snake charmer and managed to tie the vote in final 3, really exited about getting the opportunity to pick the only other demon candidate and win as evil (the third player was the starting poisoner who accidentally outed that they’d been barberswapped) (but not the starpass) and i was so heartbroken to not get the bucket list item

[sour harness]

this made me laugh more than is reasonable

[dry sluice]

TB. Some players said they don't like Butler, so the Storyteller promised there wouldn't be a Butler this game. This was in base 2 outsiders

Convinced me even harder that I should just always ST

[cedar sky]

I asked my neighbor if I was his marionette. I didn’t believe him.

Town got to hear all about it at noms

[naive flame]

Not as a player but as a ST

Courtier has drunk the Shab but I have complety forgot about it so thus I killed two people and revived someone with the Shab, leading to a f3 solve

:shrug:

I guess another mistake I had was

#slay-the-damsel

trust the Marionette Savant.

[low umbra]

Getting framed by the ST cause of mechanically broken situations is not a fun experience when you’re trying to let new STs run games for the group you’re in.

Happened specifically to me 5 times so far. I’ve been trying to give them levity, but it’s really hard to have fun in those situations

[dusty thistle]

Bungling a TB game really hard. Convinced me to never ST again. No I will not tell you the details.

[versed junco]

But what if we guess the details

Did you, perhaps, say there wouldn't be a butler in a base 2 game

[karmic rose]

fwiw messing up isn't the end of the world; I think a lot of folks in this thread have done some pretty dumb things before

<- has recently been forgetting to wake the remaining good player going into f3

[dusty thistle]

No

It's so embarrassing that I don't want to talk about it.

[grizzled marsh]

Al-had game, al-hadikhia picked (in order) the very public damsel, the professor about to resurrect me (fisherman) and the huntsman. Damsel picked live

[dusty thistle]

All I can say is it involves Hells Librarian.

And how I discovered I was not social enough to be an ST

[grizzled marsh]

(All 3 died)

[dusty thistle]

Two questions, why did the Al-Had pick the outed Damsel and why did the Damsel pick live?

[grizzled marsh]

The damsel wasn't public, but the damsel outed to multiple of the whispers
I still don't know why live tho

[warped urchin]

Probably wanted to get huntsman turned

[fallow rapids]

i don't really know because i'm the main ST

every time someone else has been STing and wasn't confident enough i was a co-ST

ig mechanically i should say the fucked up savant info

.

[karmic rose]

Oh, I have an answer here! The BH-turned empath did not understand the hand signal for "you are evil" and ratted out the Demon immediately

[fallow rapids]

actually this same guy ^ did recluse-SC nonsense on me specifically one time so i became a good Baron and the Recluse became a drunk SC

that's definitely the worst but it also was really funny for "-1 Outsider"

[cyan reef]

I was killed by the Slayer in Trouble Brewing, and the Storyteller didn't realize the Scarlet Woman should have kept the game going

[warped urchin]

Rough

[karmic slate]

Did the same in a Whalebuffet with Evil Twins 😆 demon executed and i ended the game

Didnt help that the Evil Twins weren't being vocal about it lol

[supple dirge]

One recent one was I monk on the ones you least suspect. Picked someone night 2 who died so had to be gf, assassin, gossip. But turns out in the end ST didn't know no dashii posion doesn't move and I was poisoned after my neighbor died, and the demon killed them. Pretty lame

[fleet hedge]

customs before s&v 😭

oh and it's gossip/yagga 😔

that lines up

[supple dirge]

They ran snv before 🫠

[dusty thistle]

SnV continues to be "Vortox and Fang Gu and two other demons that never enter the bag"

[sour harness]

Dashii has been in the bag a lot for me idk

Vigormortis.

[dusty thistle]

A lot of STs seems to love Fang Gu and Vortox

At least in livevoice

I've played a decent amount of games of SnV and I've seen 0 NDs, 1 Vigor, and everything else is an even split between Fang Gu and Vortox

[sour harness]

I randomize the demon type on snv pretty much every time to avoid this (and because demon type is so important on SnV)

[dusty thistle]

People should do this

[sour harness]

Fully random bags are an overcorrection but like have a little randomness yk

[dusty thistle]

I think the bag should be shuffled no matter what script you are playing

You can make minor balance adjustments after the shuffle

[sour harness]

You can make major balance adjustments after the shuffle lol

[sour harness]

Unfortunately a lot of scripts just can't handle this

[tardy wyvern]

The ST forgot about the “good can’t win when both twins are alive” rule, and thought it was “good can’t win while the evil twin is alive” (I think). So when I got pit hagged into the good evil twin while ceremad as the klutz, they showed me the already very suspicious No Dashii as the twin

[tardy wyvern]

Including SNV and BMR, in rare cases

[tardy wyvern]

It was a fun challenge trying to convince town to kill them instantly without being able to say why, but they had been dreamt as the no dashii already so it was pretty easy

[low umbra]

Even if that was the ruling, the game would become unwinnable in the situation of a good ET

[karmic rose]

[9/22]: What's a specific Clocktower-related skill you've been trying to improve? (either as a storyteller or a player)

I've recently been trying to get better at making clean arguments in f3, especially when I'm still alive

my last 3-4 games where I made it fo f3, I was hard trusted, which is a nice improvement

[dusty thistle]

How many of those were you the demon?

[karmic rose]

1

once as demon, once as soldier, once as washerwoman

[dusty thistle]

Making a defense that is strong enough to look like a genuine defense but not strong enough to prevent me from being executed.

[karmic rose]

that's a peak skill

[dusty thistle]

A peak skill I do not have!

Hence why my winrate as a minion is so low.

[coarse fern]

Homebrew (or at least criticizing my friends awful Reddit homebrew)

[grizzled marsh]

Grim solving

[karmic rose]

but what do you think about the whisk

[coarse fern]

You cannot trick me, Amy

I know about the whisk

Well shit

[low umbra]

I mean I kinda just out evil when I’m in that situation :P
Whats really fun is I’ve outed evil several times as the demon so my group doesn’t know whether I’m the minion or demon hehe

[dusty thistle]

I mean true, yeah, but this is something I might need if I'm, say, the Damsel.

I'm just bad at faking my demon playstyle as a minion.

[pure meadow]

going as a bluffless evil. I just always get bluffs early on into my games so I just haven't had to actually go bluffless other than like exactly one game where I was a poli-like homebrew character

[simple crystal]

as a player, it's acting good as evil - I can come up with bluffs and push info and stuff fine, but that doesn't help if I'm soul read and disregarded immediately, which a couple people in my group are scarily good at doing

as a storyteller it's keeping the game at a reasonable pace. I tend to take my time in the night to make sure I don't make mistakes, but on top of that I often end up giving town more time than I intend for conversations, so my games kinda drag on sometimes. (in particular the two 3-minion snv games I ran for mostly newish players, both of which lasted forever)

[karmic rose]

oh yeah, I need to work on my mnemonics to make sure I managed everything during the night phase

I usually leave the grim on its stand and walk back/forth from it at night since i'm short, but that has issues

[supple dirge]

I still forget to do things in the night sometimes. Need to go slower and double check I did every role

[simple crystal]

One game a while ago I forgot to wake the cannibal two nights in a row 😭

[karmic rose]

I often have a spectator who's STed before in the room with me, and when that isn't the case I'm a lot more prone to mistakes

my games with "Clocktower regular chilling in the corner reading a book" and "everyone from the other game buts in and tells me about BMR, and then I have to explain BMR to all of my new TB players" have vastly different levels of night phase care

[simple crystal]

soo now I tend to triple check everything, but that comes at the cost of time

[karmic rose]

actually I probably gotta make a "do not disturb during night phase" sign and stick it on the door

[hollow oasis]

BMR meta tactics

[grizzled marsh]

Actually i'll change my answer "a bit":
As good, trying to find alternatives of pure grim solving when it looks like we're cooked, but it would apply mainly on longtext (call that socials if you want, i'd say that it's not really)
When being pointed as evil (no matter my alignment), trying to present a plausible world instead
Being able to more accurately count votes in final X in a live game with more than ~9 players when i'm evil, that's particularely specific but knowing when raising your hand will force an evil victory can save games

And trying to storytell, that's still on my to-do list

And because Nerdguy sent it right before i was about to send it, basically everything about BMR

[hollow oasis]

As much as I have triple digit BMR games

[grizzled marsh]

I'm not even sure if i have double digit

[hollow oasis]

I’m realizing that I need to be better(as evil) at swaying gossips, sailors, gamblers, moonchildren, etc to make the decisions I want them to

Case in point:Today I told a gossip to gossip clock 2, so we went to f3 as fast as possible and I insta-nommed the demon and won

(I got executed)

But uh

Sailor is hard

[grizzled marsh]

Gossip is so annoying to bluff

[hollow oasis]

I think this is how you win BMR

as evil

[grizzled marsh]

"Yeah sure i'll gossip too and hmmmmmm i'm gonna gossip that i can't even find a good example of a "subtly" bad gossip"

[hollow oasis]

Clock numbers

[grizzled marsh]

That's not even subtly bad

[hollow oasis]

“Roles that cause execution survival” (what’s a DA)

[hollow oasis]

It works

[grizzled marsh]

I'm already not particularely good with artist on a random script, gossip is even worse

[hollow oasis]

“The clock number is 2 or 4”

-works every time

[grizzled marsh]

1% of the time it works every time

[hollow oasis]

“There are “X” execution survival roles in play(INCLUDING DA)”

[hollow oasis]

It wins me games as good and throws off good as evil

[grizzled marsh]

I'm not even sure if i've ever been evil on a BMR game now that i'm saying that

[hollow oasis]

Being evil on BMR feels so much harder

[olive marsh]

as a player: how off the wall can i bluff and still be socially trusted at the end of the game (as good or evil)

as a storyteller: general management of the noms phase, i feel like no matter what i do i’m still going too slowly

[hollow oasis]

Oh

Also, wizard wishing

I’m trying to figure out the weirdest wincon I can get away with

[grizzled marsh]

😭

[hollow oasis]

I love my wizard wincons

I have a passion for them

Most of them stem off of

-On the final day, Good wins if and only a dead player is executed. 1 good player learns this.

[karmic rose]

yeah I've recently been STing for a group of entirely new players and it's amazing how much more smoothly the noms phase can run when nobody has bad habits 😭

[olive marsh]

i had the opposite experience today

ran for new players, noms took forever and i had to continually remind them to stop yelling over each other

[foggy grotto]

range balacing

not like intenionally reading as evil when good

but like

i feel like i just play differently when im evil and it should not be as jarring of a playstyle shift

[topaz flare]

The thing about range balancing is in a repeat play bluffing game it’s important that your actions and behaviors when:

Lying as good
Lying as evil
Telling the truth as good

All fall in the same range if you want to be believed in either of the lying situations.

[hollow oasis]

Time to meta ye

[jovial ingot]

I tend to not be that great at mechanical solves. I'm very much a socials player who can use mechanics to find worlds where a player I believe is good, is, and I tend to choose to believe those worlds until I can't build them anymore

This can be game winning because sometimes this just gives you the correct world but I need to start building more varied worlds since

1. I do it when I'm evil alot
2. It's better to solve assuming everyone is telling the truth and seeing where that starts to break apart, rather than assuming 1 person is.

[naive flame]

Try to not HC d1

trust me, if you seen me play you know my playstyle imo

[low umbra]

Trust my social reads more often

I am usually quite good at sifting through mechanical info and usually have a full and accurate grim as soon as the ST announces who won, but there have been many times where I trust the mechanical info over social reads and it means I push the wrong world and throw myself under the execution bus too often cause my group is very socials-based

Also I’m usually really good at social reads so it’s not even that hard to make such a significant improvement to how I play the game

[dry sluice]

Track vote patterns better

In f3 I want to be able to remember who actively pushed for/against the demon candidates' executions

Once in a custom I found the demon by solving for Godfather, realizing that none of the Godfather candidates had voted on an early outsider claim, and inferring that the outsider claim was evil. This is probably my best social read to date.

[feral snow]

Honestly socials. I play almost strictly mechanically. Sometimes I do recognize the weird social stuff (eg. “Hm I really don’t like how this person is controlling the conversation” or “oh no evil person ever claims to me that way”) and then forget all about it

[dense moat]

Just trying to trust my decisions and not overthink the ones I already made

After all, I always have a reason for why I made the decision at all

[fallow rapids]

m, prolly game balancing stuff that players choose to do

specifically just wizard. wizard balance is difficult

[feral snow]

That’s so valid

Wizard is such a nightmare to run in the best way

That’s the cost of flexibility

[jovial ingot]

wizard is one of the most rewarding characters to run well

A well run wizard is almost always just a massive amount of fun added to the game

[fallow rapids]

the first wizard wish i ever had was "i wish we were playing duck duck goose"

i don't know where they get these ideas from please save my eternal torment

[grizzled marsh]

One day wizard will actually be used to try to win the game

[feral snow]

About half my group is ridiculously skeptical of wizard to the point that they won’t play scripts with it on

[fallow rapids]

thank goodness ...

[feral snow]

The big argument being if you play a wizard script you’re accepting that the game “doesn’t count”

I blame this entirely on bad wizard wish balancing because they’ll play every awful script under the sun

It’s not a great argument when they contradict themselves constantly

[jovial ingot]

the same argument atheist haters have 🥀

although unlike Wizard, Atheist actually has an acceptable range of bullshit before the game just ends by default

[dense moat]

Absolutely. Athiest rule breaks is mostly just shorthand for whatever you need to do to simulate a normal game

You’re not expected to do stuff outside the realm of possibility

[dense moat]

With Wizard, basically any dish is on the table. And it takes an experienced chef to know which dishes are worth preparing. As well as an experienced Wizard to make reasonable wishes

[olive marsh]

pd-wizard and atheist-wizard are their own special brand of hell

[jovial ingot]

when the plague doctor dies and I wish that all players are mad I'm a good Storyteller or their team loses

[olive marsh]

somehow better than what i did the one time i ran tpot

[karmic rose]

blargh I gotta ST a good wizard game to wash out the taste of the last time I ran wizard

[olive marsh]

i’m not running another wizard script without a co-st

which is a damn shame because i want to run tpot again

[vernal tiger]

god put the fries in the metaphorical bag

pd wizard stinky icl

[junior knot]

pd wizard lets you do loud shit which can be really fun

also you can use it to teach your players how to wish

[jovial ingot]

i just give PD wishes to the Minion/Demon OR I just wish for a Minion ability to be in play

as in stuff like (S&S brainrot) ||Senator|| on TPOT

[feral snow]

I was gonna call it peak but like it does nothing

[jovial ingot]

yeah but its fun

so its a good PD wish (and game dependently actually quite useful)

bhamber once wished for it and it was very annoying to get his ass killed

[cold veldt]

it did out me evil though

cause there were 2 people in that game who would ever wish that

[karmic rose]

hey biscuits I have an idea

[olive marsh]

hi amy what’s your idea

[karmic rose]

I also would like to run tpot sometime and don't want to run a wizard script solo on botcu

[olive marsh]

but amy what i think you’re proposing is that i assist in running a livevoice game on botcu which requires interacting with livevoice players on botcu

[fallow rapids]

i mean yeah

[karmic rose]

soo true

[fallow rapids]

like the ST dies to demon n0

[karmic rose]

I actually have never STed livevoice and it scares me

[fallow rapids]

and why would the demon kill the ST if they're evil

[olive marsh]

maybe if we did it as an app scheduled?

[junior knot]

its a vigor game

[fallow rapids]

ok but the reason why town executes the demon is because the ST wants avengance or something

actually this brings up interesting questions

[next marlin]

can confirm

[fallow rapids]

like why does the ST die in a leviathan game

does the ST just have an unrelated heart attack off screen

[junior knot]

off script atheist

actually sorry, someone spilled the tea before the game starts

[fallow rapids]

i'm on the floor

how could you

[jovial ingot]

which was me and you. Evil twin ass game

[jovial ingot]

would join if I was available 🫡

[junior knot]

https://tenor.com/view/i-m-villain-gif-8105801559398118233

[jovial ingot]

that game was peak though, me slowly realising the wish then testing it and me going "oh its fucking bhamber" as I did it

[junior knot]

i would give it a shot too

[olive marsh]

#event-listings message

[sharp violet]

Correctly social reading - i.e. trying to figure out who's evil/the demon even without information pointing towards/away from them

[acoustic chasm]

Social reads aren't magic though...

Like some players are good at being hard to read

That's just true

It can come from knowing a player for a long time

But on here it's difficult to

[sharp violet]

I know
but I feel I'm bad at social reading even against average players

[cyan reef]

I have a player in my games who in a game of BMR nominated another player, he didn't state this in his accusation but what I saw him message his neighbor was "He gossiped about Outsider count, I've only ever seen him do that when he's evil"...it was such a wild thing to pick up on, but he was absolutely correct on it

[karmic rose]

iconic

[cyan reef]

some people are just good at that kind of thing

(and of course it helps playing with many of the same people for several years in a row)

[supple dirge]

'I see your eyebrows have furled for 35% of the day when usually it's only 30-32%, meaning you must be evil and 3% more furled than usual'

[cyan reef]

that almost unironically does sound like some games of werewolf I've been in lol

[grizzled marsh]

And then people try to tell me how wrong i am when i say "socials aren't real" after these kinds of noms 😭

[cyan reef]

it's mostly because that statement ignores the ones like these ones, lol

[sour harness]

Who bloodstarred this and why

[junior knot]

Spiritual successor to yes but don't and no one knows probably

(it wasn't me)

[warm gate]

And a good player it's worldbuilding and finding social play elements that make sense to me - I tend to play mostly on mechanics, but that sometimes backfires on me bc (especially in larger games) I tend to get overwhelmed with what's happening which isn't super fun and so I'm trying to figure out how I can improve on that
as an evil player I think my big thing is working on my social play - I'm slowly getting better at it in small ways (being able to go bluffless as a Minion and being able to bluff entirely believable info) but I do think I have some things to work on
as an ST, it's not panicking or feeling bad about myself when a game starts "falling apart" (I've had a couple experiences like this that I'd rather not go into detail abt)

[pure meadow]

for that good part, play fyf. no one can solve it and it has some social accelerants which helps :3

Wait you literally signed up for the last longtext fyf which didn't fire :P

[coarse fern]

Am I allowed to reserve tomorrows question

If so I would like to do that

[olive marsh]

you might have to post a reminder later on

oh wait

we don’t have a 9/23 question yet

[coarse fern]

That’s why I said tomorrows

It’s 9/22 for me

[olive marsh]

i thought you were reserving 9/24

[coarse fern]

Nope

[olive marsh]

same here but i’m accustomed to a question being posted at like 7 pm

[coarse fern]

I can probably post it now but that feels like cheating

[coarse fern]

Yeah same

[olive marsh]

that’s exactly how i felt when i did one a few days ago

[coarse fern]

lol

I mean I’ve never done one so

Idk the customs

[olive marsh]

you’re in the right place for talking about customs

[coarse fern]

True!

[olive marsh]

#custom-script-discussion is down the hall, to the left through the door with the muffled screaming

[dusty thistle]

[9/23] What are the customs surrounding posting questions in secret ha ha just kidding!

[olive marsh]

true!

[coarse fern]

Wow….

[olive marsh]

jussst possssst it 🐍

[coarse fern]

The customs are that pebbles gets to post now

9/23
If you could convince every Clocktower player that any 1 thing is true, what would it be and why?

[junior knot]

I am good

so that i stop getting exed d1 pretty much every game

[dusty thistle]

The first rule of the game is to be a kind person.

[junior knot]

d3 at the latest

[olive marsh]

fourth, technically

[dusty thistle]

Yes, but it SHOULD be the first rule.

[junior knot]

although legit answer: customs/experimental chars aren't all that. theres still plenty of fun left to squeeze out of b3

(especially if you're bleeding new)

[coarse fern]

There are 47 trillion different cursed snv things to do

[junior knot]

well you could add engineer to snv, but like other than that its perfect as is

@uneven field

[dusty thistle]

I still think it's better with Widow instead of ET

[olive marsh]

“overtalking is a cardinal sin and every time it occurs it lowers your life expectancy by a year”

[dusty thistle]

WHAT?

[karmic rose]

10 consecutive games of a robust script (letting the group organically figure out new interactions) is often much better than 10 gimmick scripts

[next marlin]

Amy holding a gun to peoples' backs to make them play HHR:

[karmic rose]

also twin is fine on SnV y'all are just skissued

[dusty thistle]

Goblin is still a thrall

[next marlin]

Goblin is there to make damsel guesses

[dusty thistle]

But my poor poor baby, he's dying of lack of good kills!

[next marlin]

build good bags and not bad ones

[dusty thistle]

The fact that it's even an option is a problem.

[next marlin]

you have the option to build bad bags on all scripts including tb

[coarse fern]

Good point, snv sucks and is unsalvageable and anyone who plays it is just a paid TPI agent

[dusty thistle]

In all seriousness, ET good on SnV, Widow better.

[next marlin]

when are they gonna start paying me

[dusty thistle]

When you sell them the rights to CC

[grizzled marsh]

Based

[coarse fern]

You cannot fool me

[karmic rose]

I think most scripts can have bad bags tbf, but Vig/ET/clock is pretty sad

[grizzled marsh]

Early whispers and nominations are very important

[next marlin]

[cerenovus voice] yes I can

[karmic rose]

Like even TB is robust to a fairly random bag, but it can fall through based on how tokens fall and where the YSKs get their info

[dusty thistle]

So Vati is the Vigormortis with the Boffin-Alc-Cere ability who was originally the Kazali but got Pit-Hagged (Explains the setup text).

I'm just now realizing this

[coarse fern]

Or if you forget to add an outsider

[karmic rose]

(just ran a game where the evil team got chef/empath lasered because the Spy wasn't yet experienced enough to cast doubt on the info implicating evil)

[dusty thistle]

!

That was totally supposed to be in the bag

[coarse fern]

Already in the bag 💔

[dusty thistle]

x2

[karmic rose]

I've done that before 😔

re drunk token in the the bag

🍟 ( ) ➡️ 🛍️

[grizzled marsh]

Alternating between #livetext-game with 4 whispers D1, 3 of them being HC & a D1 exe and playing voice with people playing more casually, and barely get a 2nd whisper, one being "i'm an info role" and the other not claiming anything at all, then struggle to get any votes on anyone. I can definitely say that there's one playstyle that i like way more than the other

[karmic rose]

I'm trying to get my irl group to play it sometime

[coarse fern]

Livetext sacrifices too much to get those early whispers

[pure meadow]

Yeah, like socials :3

[coarse fern]

I have constantly been in chats where it’s just “hi hc. Ravenkeeper. Bye”

[dusty thistle]

A live text player would sacrifice their firstborn for those early chats.

[coarse fern]

There is… very little real value in that chat

[coarse fern]

Also that, I’m down 8 babies right now

[grizzled marsh]

There's already more than fighting to get anything better than "i'm an info role" imo, but socials aren't real so...

[karmic rose]

I'm learning a lot about livetext here

[coarse fern]

Lepakon saying socials arent real because he never reads anything other than evil 🤨

Except in that one HHR game

[next marlin]

I have really long whispers in livetext because I want to but also I was last actively playing before people started thinking warp speed whispers were normal rather than them being a thing two people did

[hollow oasis]

Most execution survival is not DA

[dusty thistle]

And the one where he was the Politician.

[hollow oasis]

This shouldn’t be assumed

[coarse fern]

Those are in fact the same game

[grizzled marsh]

Out of two lleech games i've played on longtext, i've lost both of them because the lleech host was blatantly reading evil

"Just get better" smh

[next marlin]

Hey, that doesn't always happen! Sometimes the lleech host gets psycho killed

[coarse fern]

I often have to ping people back into chats because they leave so quickly when I have more to say

[karmic rose]

yeah I'm NGL I have no sense of how to play/write Lleech scripts

[coarse fern]

Nobody does

[next marlin]

Fun and whimsy

also savant and math

[karmic rose]

the one Lleech game where I was like "oh shit this demon is threatening" is the one where I was staring down the heretic token

[zenith lotus]

i have ideas but when i tried to write them down in a personwall it failed miserably

[dusty thistle]

Nom restriction can help, I've heard. So monkey, Fearmonger, and Boomdandy.

[coarse fern]

IST is actually pretty good iirc

[grizzled marsh]

Monkey?

Nvm

OG

||Monkey Wrangler||

[zenith lotus]

tbf thats really easy because its a teensy

[karmic rose]

which was actually a super tense game!! really solid actually

[zenith lotus]

also it breaks one of the major rules

[coarse fern]

True you can put all 6 roles that lleech works with on it

[next marlin]

savant
math
politician
???

[tidal quiver]

true! Vortox and mastermind and.. uh... hm.

[dusty thistle]

I mean, the Heretic-Lleech interaction is a nightmare to deal with.

[dusty thistle]

Savant

[grizzled marsh]

Hey if they don't notice that a player who's defense is actively digging their tomb & in a librarian politician ping is the politician, that's not my fault

[dusty thistle]

Still maintaining you didn't deserve that flip?

[tidal quiver]

specs and spoilers will read this message and spontaneously combust (you said "tomb")

[grizzled marsh]

I'm not saying that, i'm just saying that there were ways to notice the signs

[dusty thistle]

MIDNIGHT IN THE HOUSE OF THE DAMNED

[dusty thistle]

I was kidding.

...You got the joke, didn't you. You reacted to the message. Wow, I'm dumb

[coarse fern]

Is that a || NUN || in a TOMB in a GARDEN at MIDNIGHT in the HOUSE of the DAMNED ?????????????????????????????

[karmic rose]

actually the Lleech becomes threatening when there are three of them

[coarse fern]

That’s the only spoilered character I remember so

Can’t do more than that

[zenith lotus]

they all hosted each other

[pure meadow]

not even ||don||? :(

[dusty thistle]

||there's a new one as of today||

[karmic rose]

||what about big barnacle||

[coarse fern]

Well now that you say that

[karmic rose]

It just got confirmed

[coarse fern]

I KNOW WHAT IT DOES I SWEAR

[dusty thistle]

||What about the Baron incident||

[karmic rose]

it's the reason gos is too hard to run

[zenith lotus]

maybe you should *role it just to be sure

[coarse fern]

No I think I am good

I’m not sure you know it though

Maybe a poetic recitation of the ability with interpretive dance would prove it?

[karmic rose]

pebbles I would pay good money for that

[olive marsh]

aw damn i missed my chance to shit on livetext 😔

[coarse fern]

There’s still time dw

[zenith lotus]

hang on what was the prompt

[dusty thistle]

I thought of a better one.|| "You should tell me everything you know about the Baron Incident."||

[zenith lotus]

oh there it is

[lost thistle]

please stop exeing ysks for the sole reason of being ysks on d1 its not worth it

[zenith lotus]

the recluse icon is red

[hollow oasis]

If it’s clockmaker I want my absolutely confirmed unsocials-based conf clockmaker to solo solve the game off of

[lost thistle]

the nefarious player made ceremad as the clockmaker:

[hollow oasis]

there’s already a question

[pure meadow]

Alex a question was asked like an hour ago 😭

[lost thistle]

time is becoming less and less real
secret-things is collapsing in on itself

[dusty thistle]

x/0

This statement is false.

If one person in a pub is drinking, everyone in the pub is drinking.

The cat is equal parts dead and alive.

[naive flame]

Why the fuck am I so late bruvvv

I'm actually gonna jump on my inner demons

[karmic rose]

Timezones are weird, idk. if you think about the number of people who frequently post in this thread, though, you realize you can maybe expect to post a question twice a month

"not getting to post a question" is the default

[naive flame]

“Be Kind to one another”

And then you know it, 15 mins later there's beef with 2 people in a DC, a recluse in a Inv Spy ping, FT yes and a Empath 1 + Mayor is super sus

[coarse fern]

My timezone is so bad for secret thing posting

It’s actually tragic

[naive flame]

Same

Everytime I post something, someone already did it 😢

[coarse fern]

Alex my timezone is GMT - 8

Actually idk maybe yours is worse

[naive flame]

Oh I'm +8

If it's 11:51 morning for me, wouldn't it mean 11:51 evening for you..?

[coarse fern]

It’s 8:51 in the evening rn

[naive flame]

Dash, no need...

[lost thistle]

all horses are a single color

[coarse fern]

Ye it follows me around

[naive flame]

-# I have personal beef with Carat and Dash.

[coarse fern]

On other servers the timezone popup thing only affects me for some reason

I am genuinely cursed

[tardy wyvern]

I mean you can always ask to reserve the question

[sharp violet]

Using dead votes before final day is good, actually

[fallow rapids]

all errors made in this almanac are my own

[fast anchor]

first post best post

[cyan reef]

there's so many things...but for the time being, if I had to pick one

90% of the time, if you're going to tell someone something in private, you may as well be comfortable saying it in public

[dusty thistle]

Technically it was second

[fast anchor]

ninety is rising

idk I just see "2 blocked messages" before your post 😇

[dusty thistle]

It was Wizard saying that their one is "I am good"

[uneven field]

I get pinged at 5 in the morning for this shit?

what even is this thread? what is secret thing?

[uneven field]

this better not become a thing like how everyone pings vati at 5am when they're talking about vigormortis

[junior knot]

I figured people deserved balance when discussing snv

Sorry

(also no idea what timezone you are tbh)

[lucid crag]

bh that self turned evil

[lucid crag]

"General is stronger than Fortune Teller" because general does everything it does better

[lucid crag]

the ability to make amne abilities that don't suck, solve conflicts faster, make games faster

[lucid crag]

i'm running oops all wizards without a co st and I regret life somewhat but not completely

[low umbra]

The value of SW isn’t only about the mechanical impact it has on the game. It’s a socials-based minion when a script is built well

(might be a hot take but idc, everyone must know that imp/SW doesn’t neuter SW at all)

[sour harness]

It's the last rule so it sticks with players the most, not the fourth most important

Which seems very intentional and I agree with that decision

[cyan reef]

I know when I read it, having it last means it feels like it gets some extra emphasis

[sour harness]

Yeah and there's also scientific backing to this

The last thing you hear sticks with you a lot more than the vast majority of what you hear

[dusty thistle]

Hmm, didn't think of that. Fair enough

[cyan reef]

it always feels somewhat dramatic when I read off that final line, "Kill with grace, die with dignity" and I always enjoy it

[naive flame]

-# 09/??/25: No question yet, just gonna put it here so I can probably it with a question in hand.

[supple dirge]

Pretty soon we're going to get questions every hour

[grizzled marsh]

09/23: Thoughts on having this bonus question? /j

[olive marsh]

9/23.1: what’s the best way to differentiate between the different questions asked each day?

[grizzled marsh]

Ping me in #secret-thing-2

[uneven field]

central Europe

[sharp violet]

I generally agree with this, with the caveat being that the 10% includes when a player is socially or mechanically confirmed and you're sharing to just them

[sharp violet]

How does it compare with the first thing?

[cyan reef]

eh, that has it's own problems

a whole town dumping their info onto one player that they should already be sharing publicly can be problematic in and of itself

[sharp violet]

a whole town: true
a select few players: that's fine

[sour harness]

I forget which is more memorable but the first and last things are the two most memorable parts consistently

[cyan reef]

to reiterate the point though, there's no point in confiding in one player that which is best served telling the entire town, especially since "confirmed" players are hard to come by, and they don't happen on day 1, and past day 1 you're getting closer to the end of the game where sharing truthful info gets even more important

(as you can see, this is why trying to magically convince players of this is a fantasy lol)

[grizzled marsh]

Should the round robin come at final 5 then?

[karmic rose]

(right, but there are things that shouldn't be shared with the whole town)

[cyan reef]

I cringe at the idea of a round robin

[pastel prism]

the heck even is a round robin in this context

[cyan reef]

a player can share or not share with the town...the general idea is that if you're going share at all, you may as well be willing to share it with town most of the time

[grizzled marsh]

Basically you have everyone's roles and no lies unless extremely specific situations (+ evil players, ofc)

[cyan reef]

some players have this idea that on the final day, everyone should go around stating their character and info

[pastel prism]

oh okay

[cyan reef]

it's not something I've seen in a long time

[grizzled marsh]

It can be useful sometimes imo

[cyan reef]

but there is a very common meta that players should withhold their info for a long time, and it tends to cause people to dump a bunch of info all at once on the final day, during a time when they ought to be quite limited on time

[cyan reef]

people tend to underestimate how counterproductive it is for most people

[pastel prism]

i always felt like i was in the dark about everything in the games i've played, probably for that reason

[grizzled marsh]

In a significant portion of my games, i'm not entirely sure about everyone's claims and infos on final 3

[cyan reef]

yeah, this is one of the reasons why this meta is often really bad

[karmic rose]

Idt it's a substitute for sharing + acting on information earlier in the game (thus leading spending earlier executions more effectively), but round robins can genuinely help players organize their thoughts going into the lategame

[cyan reef]

yeah, the idea is that people should be sharing this more openly throughout the game rather than telling a handful of people and leaving it at that

[karmic rose]

especially in person when folks are new to each other, having an additional chance to match names/faces/claims is super nice

[cyan reef]

players are welcome to round robin if they'd like, it's just that it's going to be giving them less time to nominate and actually talk things out

[uneven field]

sorry, genuinely I've been pinged into this thread and I have no earthly idea what it is, is there a script attached to this?

[grizzled marsh]

The way i play is usually to HC to almost everyone i whisper, so by ~d3 everyone usually has my claim with few exceptions

[dusty thistle]

No

This is a questions thread

[pastel prism]

it's literally just "there's a daily question asked here"

[uneven field]

fitting, I have many

[karmic rose]

uh it's largely script builders yapping about script/storytelling topics each day

[pastel prism]

and then everyone answers it

[grizzled marsh]

Yeah i'm totally a script builder here 😛

[dusty thistle]

Sometimes we do stupid stuff like this.

[cyan reef]

the worst part about late game claims are the Savants or other complex info characters who wait until day 4 or 5 to dump a games' worth of info on the entire town, lol

[grizzled marsh]

Ofc i say that when are two longtext hybrid games playing a script where i was one of two creators

[pastel prism]

and yet, i'd probably feel hesitant to tell my information publicly/even claiming my real role at all because i'd feel like i'm playing against the meta and would be sus as a result

[grizzled marsh]

And it's both with the same script

[uneven field]

I think if that information was circulating to a certain extent privately it is fine

[pastel prism]

which results in me overcorrecting and lying more than i should, resulting in looking sus anyway

[dusty thistle]

Well you've got to show us the script now, right?

[pastel prism]

think that happened in a minstrel BMR game i played once, i ended up as the frame on the final day

[karmic rose]

mfs play trouble brewing like it's a damsel script and then lose for doing so

[cyan reef]

but that's kind of the point...what's happening is the info is being shared by a handful of people, excluding a bunch of others, who won't be privy until it until its too late to decipher it

[grizzled marsh]

Yeah, that's usually what i do. D1 whispers don't have my infos as i consult after whispers, D2 has D1 info, D3 has D1 and D2 etc
(Unless i'm claiming a role different to savant, which on the case of savant can easily happen tbf)

[uneven field]

I think this is fine

information spreads well enough in clocktower

[cyan reef]

be the meta change you want to see in the world 😛 ...also, madness heavily relies on this

[uneven field]

become unmetaable

[dusty thistle]

Anyway cass, welcome to the circus

[cyan reef]

I mean, this is an example of it not spreading well enough

[pastel prism]

welcome, welcome

i always feel like there's this huge network of flowing info that i'm simply not a part of whenever this happens

[uneven field]

what I mean is that even if the savant only gives the information out to like three people, that information will leak somewhat to the rest of town naturally

[cyan reef]

I've mentioned this before, but I've been on two different prominent stream servers where there had to be an in-depth discussion about hoarding info and how it often results in excluding people

[uneven field]

I have very few chats that are simply exchanges of first degree information

[cyan reef]

either 1) it doesn't, otherwise there wouldn't be a need to dump the info at the end of the game, or 2) it does, which goes back to the point where you may as well just go ahead and share it publicly and not be cagey about it

[uneven field]

spreading info through osmosis means you don't have to publicly be out for town to know the information

[dusty thistle]

If I share it privately, there's a 33% chance of evil seeing it. If I share it publicly, there's a 100% chance of evil seeing it.

[uneven field]

there is a savant, their info says the following, but we do not know who they are

and besides, what's the solution then? make it a rule that players must share information?

[cyan reef]

the percentage is actually higher

[uneven field]

like, I get it, don't get me wrong

[cyan reef]

but I hope someone can maybe appreciate that on one hand, I'm being told the information will spread anyway, and on the other hand, I'm being told there's only a 33% chance of evil learning it 🙂

[pastel prism]

like, i'm pretty inexperienced with playing the game despite knowing so many characters and interactions and shit, and i just feel like i'd fuck up somehow if i didn't follow the meta, and then be blamed for it
that's genuinely the biggest fear i have when it comes to playing this game, messing up and being blamed, not that that's ever ACTUALLY happened before thankfully...

[uneven field]

but there are cases where i as a player should be able to make the call to only circulate information privately

[cyan reef]

strategy isn't enforced by rules

[cyan reef]

for myself, I would seriously avoid any group that made it feel that punishing to not follow such a strict and limited meta

[uneven field]

some of my very best games have included small cabals of privately informed conspiring good players

[cyan reef]

same...and I've seen those same exact games be a terrible game for someone else because nobody was sharing anything with them and left in the dark

[uneven field]

this is true

or, it can be

[cyan reef]

can be, yeah, it's certainly not guaranteed

[uneven field]

there is exclusion to a certain degree, this comes with the territory of conspiracy

[cyan reef]

but the game is really designed around the idea that most good players are sharing what they know...it doesn't mean people have to play it that way of course, and many don't, but it comes with both social and strategic downsides

[uneven field]

a game is best off when everybody has something to do, if someone is being completely excluded by every clique then that is very very bad, and I have been that player, but there should be cliques

[dusty thistle]

I think all things in moderation. There's reason for good players to lie, but when push comes to shove, at least in the mid to late game, it's best to out your info

[cyan reef]

Trouble Brewing has Spy on it and the evil team many times just simply starts knowing that which good is trying to keep secret anyway

Sects & Violets has an entire mechanic (madness) that relies on people claiming a character and the information that would be surrounding it

Bad Moon Rising has less explicit reasons for openly claiming, but implicitly, it needs town to be proactive and pushing for things

[karmic rose]

BMR has fewer reasons for lying as well!