secret thing

[olive marsh]

i love barber

[spiral pollen]

I don't think you can appreciate how good soldier is until you run up against it as evil

that's how it happened to me

[acoustic chasm]

I think there are a bunch of popular characters on snv which are standouts (savant, care, fang gu) and also a couple of less popular characters which are a bit annoying (town Crier, flowergirl)

[junior knot]

I honestly think Saint does it for me more than soldier does for this question

[spiral pollen]

an oh shit we can't just win moment

[acoustic chasm]

And barber isn't standout but honestly does some great stuff that keeps the script cool

[junior knot]

I think it does the absolute best at teaching the concept of a frame (FT helps as well), but also really helps with the concept of bluffing generally

and brings the social part of the SDG into play a lot more

[jovial ingot]

i LOVE washerwoman confirming the soldier

EVIL WILL SUFFER!!!!!

[acoustic chasm]

It is great. Idk if its underrated but it's great

[fast anchor]

people don't talk about saint enough

[jovial ingot]

(they get exed d2)

[acoustic chasm]

It's also one of the best characters to double claim

[fast anchor]

wizkid you're onto something there

[acoustic chasm]

Which helps show double claims are viable

Yeah I think there are a lot of drunk lovers

[olive marsh]

i’m still recovering from the one and only time i’ve been dc’d as the saint

[acoustic chasm]

Recluse is really popular on custom scripts

[junior knot]

doesn't that run into the issue of consent?

[acoustic chasm]

Saint isn't popular rnough

[acoustic chasm]

I've been triple claimed it in a game of TB

Fifteen players

And I was the first to be executed

[karmic rose]

I see way too many newish groups leave the saint alive without attempting to frame them

[acoustic chasm]

In my early days I was so puzzled why barons get into Outsider double claims

Now I get it

[karmic rose]

"we have evil twin at home"
evil twin at home: saint double claim

[junior knot]

(Also the first good 'demon' people come across generally)

[acoustic chasm]

Evil twin I was also considering mentioning

But I don't think its underrated

[karmic rose]

Evil twin is incredible design

[acoustic chasm]

It's very iconic

[junior knot]

I feel like ET isn't underrated so much as it just feels like it doesn't really fit on its homescript?

[acoustic chasm]

It's difficult to find a home for it

[fallow rapids]

one time i saw a scarlet woman get into a recluse triple claim with the baron and

virgin...

there was no actual recluse

[acoustic chasm]

SnV is as close to a good home for evil twin as any

[karmic rose]

I think twin works on SnV assuming the bag and twin choice don't screw them over

[acoustic chasm]

Think of 7-9 player games

[karmic rose]

twin dreamers my beloathed

[junior knot]

honestly if not for the pithag/sw interaction (and maybe a little barber in there) I wouldn't mind a world where ET/scarlet swapped homescripts

[fallow rapids]

TB + ET when

[acoustic chasm]

You need the twins to have a claim that pushes stuff (so no steward/soldier twin) but also isn't impossible to bluff (so no washerwoman/dreamer twins)

You also want there to be reasons why the good twin is wrong

[karmic rose]

Shortform SnV is about "how does town filter through the noise to use their executions efficiently?" The twins introduce noise and require town to use executions

[acoustic chasm]

You cant have misinformation be attached to minions, because evil twin is one minion in a 7-9 player game

So instead the misinformation is better to be on the demon

Boom

Vigor, no dashii, vortox

Even fang gu bc it's plus one lying evil

[fast anchor]

it also often requires town to use their once-per-game abilities on solving the pair

stuff like Artist/Seamstress/Juggler can get sunk on twins

[acoustic chasm]

You can see why snv is a better home than tb

[fast anchor]

meaning that it's not going toward solving the Demon type or who the Demon is

[acoustic chasm]

Mm

I do have one take though

The best evil twin Townsfolk is not on snv

[fast anchor]

what is the best ET townsfolk, then?

(please don't say empath)

[acoustic chasm]

It's fortune teller

[junior knot]

cult leader

duh

[acoustic chasm]

In built reason why the player claiming ft is wrong

Important enough to lead town on but

[junior knot]

what about mayor?

[acoustic chasm]

Easy to bluff

No

Good can't win remember

While both are alive

Imo evil twins have to have info abilities

[karmic rose]

nah evil twin fools all the way

[junior knot]

courtier/engineer twin when?

[fast anchor]

Twins are most interesting when they're incentivized to claim different sets of info

[acoustic chasm]

So that another way to solve them is to follow their info and see if you execute the demon

[fast anchor]

i've had a good game with twin Monks though

probably unideal

[acoustic chasm]

Yeah exactly

[junior knot]

clock twins?

[acoustic chasm]

No

[fast anchor]

like the two roads for being the ET are claiming true info and winning off the twinpair, or causing chaos and claiming false info to get your demon to win normally

[karmic rose]

Yeah but then you put clock twins in a bag

[acoustic chasm]

Yup

[fast anchor]

poppygrower twins in a vigor game :)

[junior knot]

guys I just thought of the two best GT roles ever

hear me out

[acoustic chasm]

AND THIS IS WHY I LIKE FORTUNE TELLER TWINS

[junior knot]

Magician + Damsel

[lost thistle]

snake charmer

[acoustic chasm]

You can do both

[fallow rapids]

the best ET townsfolk is Spy

[acoustic chasm]

You can pivot easily into helping good solve or going full chaos

Because you have a red herring

[lost thistle]

the goated twin strat is to just not claim your twin’s role and to claim something completely different

[acoustic chasm]

Yes

[fallow rapids]

this is what i do sometimes

[lost thistle]

clockmaker twins? what are you talking about i’m the dreamer

[acoustic chasm]

That also can happen

[karmic rose]

autumn you're winning me over on ft twins

[junior knot]

I see it sometimes with mutant twins

[lost thistle]

“lmao my twin doesnt want to try to bluff dreamer i cant blame them”

[acoustic chasm]

Snitch evil twins is funny

As is kazali twins

[lost thistle]

if your info doesnt fall apart immediately you win off of swag alone for pulling it off

[acoustic chasm]

I tried to make kazali twins work but as I said, evil twin works best if the Demon has misinfo

Snitch twins is cool though

[junior knot]

it needs to be Kazali + Drunk then

[acoustic chasm]

Yee

[junior knot]

so the misinfo is ocount

[fallow rapids]

Skateboard Park (Fabled)
If you did something cool, you get a snack.

[lost thistle]

legion twins

[junior knot]

(like vigor fg)

[acoustic chasm]

Honestly though

You know a good second place

[lost thistle]

vigor twins…

[acoustic chasm]

Puzzlemaster twins

I now want Puzzlemaster twins

[junior knot]

more about demon misinfo

[junior knot]

but also homescript interaction

[lost thistle]

yeahhh

snake charmer twins are a disaster but its funny

mutant twins are also funny until the pit hag creates a fang gu and jumps to them

[junior knot]

but the real question is do you ever kill into the twin pair as demon, but also which one

[acoustic chasm]

Snake charmer twins i think is really great

[karmic rose]

that's a skill issue

[acoustic chasm]

You just deny being in a twin pair

[junior knot]

you just don't out twin pair and the et claims the demon is their good twin, and the sc swaps with them

[acoustic chasm]

Or

You just deny it until the snake charmer swaps with them

[karmic rose]

snarmer twins are like snarmer spidow -- both are fun if you know what to do with them

[junior knot]

and then you find out a new twin

[acoustic chasm]

Good luck to anyone believing the Demon when they claim mid game twin pair

[junior knot]

as well as being snarmed

[acoustic chasm]

With the player they swore was the Witch

[lost thistle]

its even funnier if you have a cere

[acoustic chasm]

Oh yes

[lost thistle]

and coordinate with them to make your demon mad the same day you swap them

so they cant even out snake charmed

[acoustic chasm]

Yeah

Honestly the backstabbing you can do on snv sounds insane

Its usually not that when you play it

But I forget that it can be

[junior knot]

there's typically not enough days

[acoustic chasm]

I do wanna play it agsin

[lost thistle]

the demon is a fang gu and you talk to them “hey demon wanna do a funny. go jump to a person and we’ll le epic prank them”

[junior knot]

fang gu jump, then make them ceremad as the lunatic

[lost thistle]

oh fang gu lunatic is pure psychological torture material

you tell the lunatic they’ve been jumped. over and over

every single night

they figured out they’re a lunatic?

well you think you’re a demon, so “hi you are now the fang gu you are evil”

[sharp violet]

and then when they finally do get jumped they don't believe it and make sure they die - and then they win because it's a heretic game

[lost thistle]

sisyphus asking the person who died at night if they’re the fang gu every single day

[acoustic chasm]

Speaking of lunatic

I do have it as one of the more underrated characters on bmr

Now it's iconic

I get that it might not be underrated

[lost thistle]

yeah the reason i think its so underrated here is because of how easy it is to figure it out in long text

[karmic rose]

omw to bluff this

[acoustic chasm]

But I hear a lot of "oh lunatic is cool but it only really works with support like magician or poppy. It doesn't really work on bmr"

[lost thistle]

equally funny thing to bluff:
“i was the mutant i got fang gu jumped, nobody told me my teammates and then i got snake charmed”

[acoustic chasm]

And I think

Lunatic works well on bmr actually

[lost thistle]

it works well in-person yeah

[acoustic chasm]

Because bmr has the most reasons to deviate from the lunatics choice and still fooling them

[lost thistle]

lunatic imo is a character that works a lot better in person or in vc than online in text

[acoustic chasm]

There are so many reasons why people might die or might not die in bmr

[lost thistle]

the problem with lunatic is finding it out d1 when talking to your “minions”

and they go “wtf im not a minion”

[acoustic chasm]

Yeah

[lost thistle]

and then the jig is up and now you’re either a blank token, or a pseudo-investigator depending on the st meta

lunatic works best when you have an opportunity to actually believe it

e.g. in person/vc, when you dont always have a good window to talk to a minion alone

[acoustic chasm]

Its not blank imo

[lost thistle]

i mean yeah theres still godfather

[acoustic chasm]

It gives a great bluff to minions on a script where good are encouraged to be more open

And Godfather ye

[tardy wyvern]

math on snv is kinda busted if you know what to look for

[acoustic chasm]

yea

it also is always the thing the Demon is bluffing in my irl group

[naive flame]

Don't blame me I never get procced pacifist like (4) times in that one game where the people who were being executed is a Butler, cannibal, General and a FT and it only procced for General and FT

[karmic rose]

[9/11] what is a character you think is overrated on its home script?

[olive marsh]

[sour harness]

TB doesn't need it

[sour harness]

Professor

I just did a rant about this yesterday I think

It's strong but not at all breakingly strong

[olive marsh]

not when the big barnacle does the same job but better

[sour harness]

https://tenor.com/view/dirty-docks-shawty-triflin-shawty-triflin-she-gif-22455514

[versed junco]

I don't know if it's overrated exactly but I despise Fool yet it never comes up in worst character discussions

[fallow rapids]

Fool isn't rated at all

Fool kinda sucks because it's a passive character without immediate feedback when they do something

[dusty thistle]

I do love a good redundant interaction!

[spiral pollen]

I like fool

[cold veldt]

i hate fool

ngl it's kinda a outsider on bmr in the way that it messes with death count. which is fine cause moonchild is a townsfolk. but playing as the fool is just deeply uninteresting imo

[versed junco]

And worst of all, we lost the iconic jester flavour to this bastard

[cold veldt]

yeah exactly!!!!!!

i LOVE jester theming and it's so wasted here

[versed junco]

When I punch jesters they stay dead I will have you know

[cold veldt]

if only TPI made another character with jester theming that was cool and awesome and held aura 😔 big shame that's so unlikely

[versed junco]

It should've been you, Deviant

Look how they massacred my boy

[fallow rapids]

TPI owes us 1 circus-themed script

[spiral pollen]

it's fun just don't die

[foggy grotto]

i agree with this 90% of the time

but i’ve seen fool wins games against po’s since a po charging cannot kill a fool in 1 night

but its fringe i agree

[karmic rose]

fool is "ysk it's not Zombuul" /s

[tardy wyvern]

i swear i learn about a new bag building meta people have about bmr every week lol

[junior knot]

(Don't hate me):

[zenith lotus]

gasp

[zenith lotus]

hmmmm

slayer

[versed junco]

You are hated good sir! ||/j||

[jovial ingot]

fortune teller

its a pretty ok role on TB because its well tempered by the environment, but people tend to think the FT is an essential part of the solve

[tardy wyvern]

btw my answer is exorcist

[dusty thistle]

SnV

And the Greatest Show on Earth

[acoustic chasm]

Fool I don't think is overrated

But its just not a very excitingly character

Easy pickings but a classic is vortox on sects and violets

Once people get how to play against it, it's much more manageable

[fleet hedge]

it's not because death count can be negatively messed up by evil just sinking anyway

Fool is good for ensuring that either you live or forcing evil to use a lot of their often limited killpower to get rid of you

[fast anchor]

artist. people think they're soooo smart splitting the grim and then surprise the fang gu jumped outside the question lmaoooooo get fucked

[junior knot]

Yeah no the real artist question should be a complicated XoR of all the possible SnV townsfolk roles

that lets you backsolve the game

[dry sluice]

"is the SHA1 hash of the grimoire even?"

[naive flame]

Harsh(I guess?) to say but it's kinda true.

[olive marsh]

shab and ET aren't particularly highly rated

[low umbra]

I think most people know evil twin is a weak minion tbh lol

[olive marsh]

which is sad because shab is cool and awesome

[low umbra]

I agree. Shah is cool, but not particularly strong

[olive marsh]

it's good if you sink sometimes and your st is nice

[karmic rose]

ok i'll defend evil twin

in groups that enjoy hard conflict, it's both a great bluff and a great way to waste time

[low umbra]

I mean, it might just be me but I really like SW. It’s not as strong as poisoner or baron, but it’s much more fun and for me when I’m playing evil on TB, I don’t need a strong evil composition, I just need my team to be coordinated. And SW leans into exactly that

[dusty thistle]

Oh we all love SW. But its often lauded as one of the best minions to have. Which it is, outside of TB at least. Its just a bit redundant on a solo-imp script.

[flat lintel]

[junior knot]

[9/12]: what interaction, while not officially, is effectively hatejinxed when you ST?

[karmic rose]

baron/no dashii

[dusty thistle]

Every interaction. I am a horrible ST.

[junior knot]

Sounds like a great ST. you've never run a problematic interaction/game

[dusty thistle]

Oh I never said that...

[junior knot]

Do you know what hatejinxed means?

[dusty thistle]

Yeah. I ran one game and now I have decided to retroactively hate jinx every character!

[sharp violet]

My most memorable artist game I did this when there were like 7 players left - it was the day before the Fang Gu jumped and both the other non-twin Minions were in the same side as the original Fang Gu

[junior knot]

ok tbf i do too. (It's called my group no longer letting me ST after that atheist game...)

[sour harness]

Nice try buddy I'm not gonna make it THAT easy to meta me

The real answer is I try not to run scripts where I'm gonna be doing that

But yeah I don't like fish vortox lol

[hollow oasis]

(You’ve seen the list correct)

[junior knot]

i actually dont know if i have

[hollow oasis]

There’s at least 15

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LzzRFJ0OK1p0mwJlbyaOwG406eWMpb8YPaqVzQZWys4/edit

[feral snow]

yagga gossip

actually kinda everything

[olive marsh]

that’s a “don’t put them on script together” interaction, if for some reason you’re unfortunately already running a script with them you can’t really hatejinx them or the gossip will have info about the demon type that they shouldn’t

[feral snow]

oh i misunderstood the question

I flat out will not run scripts with interactions like that

[olive marsh]

the good answer

[junior knot]

ok, but scripts with which interactions?

[feral snow]

like half of them

[junior knot]

https://tenor.com/view/yakko-animaniacs-dance-world-country-gif-4246346639805856810

Squall describing interactions he won't run

Also its really funny that the FYSTFYG author is the one hwo makes that statement

[olive marsh]

yeah that’s the point

fystfyg is unplayable by design

[junior knot]

Ik, its just funny (ironic) that he says he won't run a script with an interaction from (one of) the script(s) he is most famous for (at least here)

[feral snow]

I also feel myself becoming a perfectionist in a lot of aspects of my life to the point where even my own good scripts aren’t enough

Like Before You Can Run got played today and I feel worse about it now

[fallow rapids]

there's like

a trillion of them

[feral snow]

I think if you posted a script in #custom-script-discussion and I made a snarky comment about it it would count

[fallow rapids]

there's some utter nonsense like alhad courtier

there's some utter nonsense you can actually see like ET-wincon TF

there's just bad interactions that lead to terrible optimal strategies like Psycho/Vizier-Lil' Monsta

there's just utterly useless interactions like Levi/Witch

[olive marsh]

yeahhhh this is why i can’t scriptbuild

i can’t accept imperfection

[junior knot]

which is unfortunate given the finite amount of roles/coverage in official characters

(hence why so many succumb to the homebrew curse)

[tardy wyvern]

lleech being on script

i’m not giving a serious answer to this bc i don’t want people to know my meta 😃 i also don’t have a good answer

[low umbra]

Agreed, vortoxed fish is really janky

[low umbra]

actually being is def my least favourite interaction on TB by far, to the point where I very explicitly tell my players that the mayor will never be the drunk in a game I’m STing

Idc that it makes mayor stronger, it’s usually kinda bad in my group anyway (and usually at best a blank token, at worst, the mayor gets framed into oblivion and is exed on f3 cause meta)

[naive flame]

Hard bargain of a question

I don't ST much

But I play a lot.

Sad the one I'll say is a jinx..

( - jinx / and any grimpeeking minions)

[fast anchor]

especially in shortform, savant + amnesiac is way too much mental load as an ST

especially in irl, 3 of pixie/mutant/cere/harpy/poli all in the same game is kinda awful to track

[next marlin]

savant + amnesiac is way too much mental load as an STcoward

[fallow rapids]

cowardice is okay here because STs that know their limits shouldn't be expected to break them

[fast anchor]

the mental load is not with the ability itself but in deciding what temperature to give the amne when they guess

[next marlin]

ability stupid enough for 'cold cold cold cold cold'
ez

[jovial ingot]

giving a warm instead of a hot means the amnesiac is being sent to the labyrinth

[olive marsh]

savant alone is overwhelming enough for me 😭

[fallow rapids]

hey one time i learnt

I have slept with both of your neighbours
OR
I was the one who stole your phone cable last session

before and still had a good time

[olive marsh]

holy shit that’s awesome

[junior knot]

was it vortox? were you barista'd?

[fallow rapids]

DEF, i saw the Drunk token

proceed to get nonsense

[olive marsh]

if i got that savant info i would laugh my ass off

[lost thistle]

huh????????

[junior knot]

deus ex fiasco

[lost thistle]

putting the drunk token into the bag is hilarious

[karmic rose]

holy shit

[lost thistle]

have we already done a question here about savant info

[junior knot]

i think

[lost thistle]

because i think this one is retroactively the best answer

[lost thistle]

how.
how many of those were true

[fallow rapids]

both

[olive marsh]

AMAZING

[junior knot]

hey tbf that is solvable savant info by talking to other players, which is the ideal

[fallow rapids]

i'm pretty sure one of my neighbours that game slept with the ST in a tent during camping once

i didn't ask about the other one

[olive marsh]

missed opportunity

[olive marsh]

my favorite savant info i’ve ever given is “you’re overthinking it dumbass, [player] is holding the baby / you are not the savant” which was fine and fun information in context and i will die on this hill

[junior knot]

That savant info feels like the kind that would shape an occultist meta ngl

occultist turns into a tabloid reporter about the group

[lost thistle]

assigned 🥚 by occultist info

[fallow rapids]

let me check my DMs

(we give out tokens via message)

he also spelled Deus Ex Fiasco wrong twice and edited one typo out

[olive marsh]

“two from the fiasco”

[fallow rapids]

i still need to get one up over him i just realised

[junior knot]

one for the math, two from the fiasco, three for the juggler, now go cat go

but don't you step on my blue suede fool

[fallow rapids]

[13 Sept]: If you (yes, you) had a character icon, what would it be? Definitely not going to turn all of you into marketable homebrew characters

[next marlin]

I'm the Cerenovus so this is easy

[zenith lotus]

easy for me too 😉

[karmic rose]

uhhhh idk maybe a pipette

[lost thistle]

i thought you were the kazali

[tacit fiber]

he is also the kazali

[fallow rapids]

writing down character ideas rn

[tacit fiber]

the Assassin or the Devil's Advocate

or the Mastermind?

[fallow rapids]

you can make your own item

personally i'd like mine to be 2 teacups pouring tea into each other from a vertical distance

[tacit fiber]

oh I see it's an item

I don't know

[fallow rapids]

bc that's teh tarik

[tacit fiber]

maybe a crow for bizarre reasons

[olive marsh]

tokensona

[next marlin]

I am the Kazali but I am the Cerenovus

hopefully this makes sense

[junior knot]

A bridge

[junior knot]

vati is executed, and does not die

Also it's only midday

A little early for a new question no?

[fallow rapids]

wasn't last question a decent amount of hours ago

ov 11 am

[olive marsh]

like 13 hours ago iirc

[dusty thistle]

Are you looking for a homebrew icon or one of the actual ones

[junior knot]

completely original I believe

your personal iconography

[dusty thistle]

A cut lemon half and something about a snarky sense of humor

[pastel prism]

I am the Marionette who thinks they're the Lunatic who thinks they're the Fang Gu who has the Boffin Alchemist Wraith ability

https://tenor.com/view/trollface-gif-8242347154758580084

so just the marionette icon with random ghost wisps on it

lmao

[pastel prism]

don't need to get into how utterly jank this whole thing is

forgot a stage

fixed

[junior knot]

was about to comment on the boffind minion ability lol

[pastel prism]

XD

[olive marsh]

alch-wraith jinx

[junior knot]

who said was in play?

[olive marsh]

typically the script tool

[junior knot]

ST has to announce it, if they don't its not in play

as with all fableds

[sharp violet]

a game controller

9/12 (timezones are weird): given my username and icon, what would my character type and ability be?

[junior knot]

That's the third q today lol

[sharp violet]

not according to my timezone (we had the first 9/12 on 9/11 at 8:55 PM, the 9/13 on 9/12 at 9:31 AM, and now this on 9/12 at 2:40 PM)

so this is the first 9/12 question on 9/12 so it's valid

[karmic rose]

😭

[versed junco]

I've heard of mental gymnastics but thiiiis is ridiculouuuus!

[olive marsh]

no no the argument is sound

it’s not… how the thread works

but it’s sound

[low umbra]

Using that argument, it’s currently the 13th sept rn and when the other 13th sept was asked, it was 12th (at the very most) in all time zones, so I could ask yet another question

[thorny summit]

If we optimize this we could ask 24 questions per day

[low umbra]

More than 24 cause there’s time zones that are 30 mins apart

[olive marsh]

you’re correct the argument is not sound i forgot what exactly it was just that it made “sense” to me when i skimmed it an hour and a half ago lol 🙈

i misremembered a couple parts 😭

[coarse fern]

It’s also the 12th for me, I’d like to be able to ask 2 questions

[low umbra]

Well there’s currently two questions being asked in the last 18 hours so lol

[cyan reef]

I'm pretty sure that's illegal

[sharp violet]

3 within the past 24 hours even

[cyan reef]

at that point it's a felony

[junior knot]

What, do we have a dead cat on our hands?

[lost thistle]

???/???: is time real?

[pure meadow]

Time isnt real, final answer

[next marlin]

[cerenovus voice] no

[junior knot]

[9/13]: If a character could adopt a mythological pet, which pet would it be?

[dusty thistle]

I have heard the arguments for it not being real, and you can use the same arguments to claim distance isn't real.

"We invented meters, so distance does not exist."

[olive marsh]

mutant says what

[dusty thistle]

Time is real.

[pure meadow]

What?

[feral snow]

[physicist voice] yes

[next marlin]

You merely study reality, I create it

[karmic rose]

y'all interact with reality???

[next marlin]

Well, I interact with mine

[olive marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/reality-substitute-replaced-adam-savage-mythbusters-gif-10816078

[junior knot]

https://tenor.com/view/bruce-almighty-morgan-freeman-i-am-god-hello-hey-gif-4743445

[grizzled marsh]

Is there an active question?

[coarse fern]

Yeah

Nobody has answered it

[pseudo fulcrum]

question here

[junior knot]

For Example: As tolkein would say: would adopt a Warg

[fallow rapids]

there's not enough answers to mine to make a teensy 😔

[fast anchor]

[14/9] What's your favorite traveler to have in a game? Does it change depending on whether you're STing or playing?

[junior knot]

That fanzazz or whatever game was fun

when it basically gave the entire evil team the psycho ability (when there was already +2 evils with a FG jump with a boffin PD)

[hollow oasis]

This timezone thing is fucked

[pure meadow]

fanzazz, famously a traveler??

[hollow oasis]

This is 6 hours before 9/14

[fast anchor]

it's 14/9 for me

Cry about it

[junior knot]

https://tenor.com/view/for-you-ashland-misery-song-only-for-you-this-is-for-you-gif-20519289

[fast anchor]

@flat lintel more warcrimes with fanatic

[grizzled marsh]

Fake

[hollow oasis]

We need to make a standard timezone

[hollow oasis]

sigh

I guess

[junior knot]

if im remembering correctly, the amount of times that guy was licked was nonzero

but it was a decent while ago sooo....

[versed junco]

and he did!

[flat lintel]

It changes a lot when I am in the game versus not. love being gangster, hate playing with gangster, love watching deviants.

[flat lintel]

thats a crime

i would love to play fanatic

[olive marsh]

if anything it would be axo’s since GMT is the standard (because the brits stole it)

[foggy grotto]

thief because it’s the only one that doesn’t completely ruin the game

or beggar

i love beggar

actually harlot is my goat too

[olive marsh]

thief can break with extra evils

[foggy grotto]

true

banished

[sharp violet]

How about GMT (UTC +0)

That feels pretty standard to me

[hollow oasis]

I’ve got UTC-5

[sharp violet]

and I'm in UTC-6 but we're looking for a standard

[foggy grotto]

how about PST

[grizzled marsh]

We're already using the american way of writing dates

[next marlin]

You can write it how you want

[junior knot]

[9/14]: What's your favorite traveler to have in a game? Does it change depending on whether you're STing or playing?

(I'm saying it louder and getting recognition for it bc i am male)

[it's a bit]

no but serious time, we should steal from character thingy and use headers for questions so its a bit easier to find them when scrolling

if were not going to pin the qotd

[grizzled marsh]

I'd say by default as it's one of the rare travellers that 1: really has an impact on the game ( ) and gets to do something ( ), 2: isn't "an info role if good, meaningless if not so town rarely interracts with it" () and 3: isn't giving a free tool for the good team and gets executed if they don't follow what town asked () 4: isn't matron/voudon/bishop

[tardy wyvern]

bone collector

[tardy wyvern]

“thief isn’t impactful” clearly you have never been the baron who used a triple negative vote to prevent the scarlet from being on the block

[next marlin]

barista on my team

[coarse fern]

Bone collector does a surprisingly great job at keeping dead players engaged, so I prefer it both playing and as an ST

Unless I’m evil and the dead snake charmer chooses violence

[tidal quiver]

I'm the world's biggest bishop/voudon/matron fan (roughly in that order) but since I know people don't like their effects I'd say bone collector

[hollow oasis]

I've come around to bishop

on BMR

[tidal quiver]

it's useful on scripts where communication is important yeah

[hollow oasis]

voudon and matron?

hate those fuckers

[tidal quiver]

😔

[hollow oasis]

(I am salty because it ruined my coordination)

[tidal quiver]

yes that's the cool part of matron

is disrupting coordination

matron is so cool

[hollow oasis]

It was an evil matron that fucked up our coordination so badly I wish they left d1

combined with a good voudon

[tidal quiver]

respectfully, skill issue?

[hollow oasis]

like

they even moved evil closer together

but I quite literally would have preferred just talking to my demon EVERY TIME

so uh

yea

oh and then the voudon did the being goodsided thing

you know

because what's an evil agency

[tidal quiver]

yeah voudon does kinda innately have this problem but I like it

[hollow oasis]

I genuinely liked it

on SNV

but uh

shit sucks on BMR

[tidal quiver]

I mean yeah vigor is great with voudon but you're kinda signalling an evil nightkills demon that way on snv

[junior knot]

with Fang Gu?

and vigor?

[tidal quiver]

I like it so much on bmr because evils are naturally happy to die, all of them

[hollow oasis]

thinking more pithag arbitrary deaths

[hollow oasis]

the problem is that it's always something along the lines of 1-2 to 4-5

[tidal quiver]

like shab killing minions to resurrect, zombuul keeps full voting power, dead evil on a mm day has a ton of sway, etc

[hollow oasis]

it was a pukka game

evil kind of got

fucked

[tidal quiver]

I mean sure there are bags that are bad with travs but it's a trav we're talking about, none of them are particularly durable

[junior knot]

Oh this gives me an idea...

Do we think the new char type is distinguishing between travelers?

[tidal quiver]

IMO recommended travs are not "you can put these into any game of this script" it's "consider which of these is the best for game balance"

[tidal quiver]

off to specs and spoilers with ye

[junior knot]

Cuz we have two main types rn, individual actions, harlot/gunslinger/deviant, and gamestate manipulators, like Bishop/Voudon/Matron/Organ Grinder

[hollow oasis]

honestly I recommend deviant for BMR

fuck you, no sciencing the travs.

don't even think about it

[junior knot]

Moonlighting Fables

[hollow oasis]

yes but also

nerfing tea lady is ok

[tidal quiver]

but I think voudon shines on bmr because you can easily have evil control the first 2-3 executions which is massive: science test your DA protections and not the other goodies who want science, execute players who don't want to be executed under the pretense of paci/TL science, etc

I think BMR specifically gives voudon so much sway and so many options to both teams

[hollow oasis]

maybe I'm thinking about 1 minion games

but like

you aren't doing science if a minion is dead as the demon

[junior knot]

Consider its a game

[hollow oasis]

you're kind of fucked?

[junior knot]

where evil has jackshit for killing power

[tidal quiver]

that's fair but an evil voudon can already control the first execution and an early kill of the minon means evil should be able to control (or pseudo control) the first ~2-3 executions depending on player count

like 7p with evil voudon and n2 evil death (say, assassin self kill) is massive for evil, I feel like you can pretty easily engineer some rough f3s

[hollow oasis]

my experience with voudon is "vote with town"

[tidal quiver]

as in, the voudon does what town is collectively telling them to do? I still think an evil voudon can force agendas in this way

[hollow oasis]

AuTo ExIlE

[tidal quiver]

I don't think bmr days 1/2 are just "yes everyone collectively agrees to execute 1 player" because everyone wants to confirm themself

[hollow oasis]

(I don't play with fun traveller metas)

[tidal quiver]

well yes but if you auto exile you're cringe

[hollow oasis]

welcome to app.

[tidal quiver]

that's very fair

I mean exiling in f5 is understandable but like... they traveled in for a reason

[hollow oasis]

don't like travellers in general

except like

bureaucrat

[tidal quiver]

I think they're a super volatile area

my take is that generally people want travelers to just be residents and think of them accordingly instead of appreciating them as ways to add depth

[hollow oasis]

I don't think most travellers are fun

to be

around

(see my hate of gunslinger,gangster) that can kind of just

"oh game revolves around you unless we exile you"

"how interesting"

[tidal quiver]

I mean yes that's also bishop/voudon/matron but I like those 3 a lot as well

[hollow oasis]

Bishop is ok

matron just fucks over evil

[tidal quiver]

gunslinger and gangster are quite swingy and weird

[hollow oasis]

they aren't good designs

turns out good psychopath is OP

[tidal quiver]

I really don't think this is the case I just think people don't play with matron enough to develop actual strategies

[hollow oasis]

I don't play minions to double claim

[tidal quiver]

like yes a good matron should disrupt evil coordination, especially on the script where players need coordination, but evils can sway the matron to place them together

honestly I feel like at a certain skill level and when a group's meta coalesces around a certain levvel of goods lying, minions need bluffs a lot less

and I'm not particularly good and I've come to that conclusion

[hollow oasis]

ok

I just like

Evil twin is fine

[cyan reef]

most metas, especially online, overly rely on private conversations and not public conversations

[hollow oasis]

online BMR is really close to "just out your role publicly"

besides the going to each player thing

[cyan reef]

in any case, I'll always love Travelers for their accessibility nature, and that includes letting a player be a Traveler for the entire game without traveling out

[hollow oasis]

the most lying I ever really do on BMR as good is

claiming pacifist to cover for science

and.... gossip claiming

that's about it

[cyan reef]

my favorite is, "I don't want to say why, but I want to execute my neighbor for science"

[tidal quiver]

all of the outsiders also have incentive to lie (while alive, at least)

[hollow oasis]

your outsiders lie?

Yes this INCLUDES GOON

[tidal quiver]

yes!

tinkers totally have reasons to lie because they're really good kills for evils to obscure death count

moonchild can accelerate the game problematically in areas like f6/5/4

[hollow oasis]

this is how my average BMR game goes

-get hardclaims from everyone

[tidal quiver]

I agree that bmr generally wants communication and openness but there are still so many reasons for good players to lie

[hollow oasis]

-figure out outsider count, just have them be confirmed

-solve through science

-other minor TF ability solving

-win

[tidal quiver]

how do you just figure out the outsider count with godfather and stuff

[hollow oasis]

how many outsider claims

[tidal quiver]

I think you're oversimplifying and cutting out a ton of extra avenues of play that evil needs to do at some point

[hollow oasis]

evil isn't!

[tidal quiver]

people say that evils need to be active and not passive on SNV but the same applies for bmr

does evil really not claim outsider ever?

[hollow oasis]

...

from what I remember it's A: never the demon if it is and B:it's happened 5? times out of 100-ish games

[tidal quiver]

I'm so confused how outsiders get confirmed on here

[junior knot]

GIVE YOUR GFS -1s!!!

[hollow oasis]

You would think that would help

[tidal quiver]

this is absurd gf-1 exists for a reason and in non-gf games you totally should also claim outsider

[junior knot]

bruh

[hollow oasis]

help

[tidal quiver]

evil never claiming outsider is a player issue not a script to be completely honest

[coarse fern]

It DOES help

[tidal quiver]

issue is probably a strong word, I don't mean it like that

[coarse fern]

I’ve seen evil players confirmed good on many occasions due to godfather -1s

[hollow oasis]

no they decide to just have the outsider count be 1 down

and goons out

so like

[tidal quiver]

still claim outsider in non-gf games!

[hollow oasis]

wtf

[coarse fern]

So evil chooses not to claim outsider

[hollow oasis]

yeah

[tidal quiver]

I've never seen goons out while alive tbh before like f5

[coarse fern]

Sounds like an evil skill issue

[hollow oasis]

all my goons out d2

[tidal quiver]

that's wild

[hollow oasis]

help

[hollow oasis]

It's randoms

so like

[coarse fern]

This conversation has told me that your players are bad at the game

[tidal quiver]

roughly what's the winrate you see in bmr?

[junior knot]

get better players?

i guess

[hollow oasis]

85% good or something

I don't get it

[junior knot]

as ST or playing

[hollow oasis]

playing

I don't really get like

why

[coarse fern]

And 0% of these games involved evil bluffing outsider… I wonder what this could mean

[hollow oasis]

no I agree it's just like

damn

[junior knot]

https://tenor.com/view/smg4-smg4skill-issue-skill-issue-smg4mario-smg4skill-gif-26104493

[hollow oasis]

this is between at least 200 people

[junior knot]

like you gotta commit hard to worldbuilding on BMR

[tidal quiver]

I always hate going to the "get better players" argument but like BMR is really balanced, players probably need to adapt to how one plays bmr as evil: to me, much of that is directing executions and pushing for extra kills or risky MM days and such

[junior knot]

otherwise town just solves

[hollow oasis]

risky MM days is my strat

it's almost definitely the best thing evil can do d1

[junior knot]

if you're the MM nominate your demon d1

[hollow oasis]

I do

[junior knot]

either the other minion is DA, so they're safe

or no one believes its MM and you win d2

unless its zombuul

[tidal quiver]

I mean it varies and sometimes day 3 or 4 MM days are a lot more potent than day 1 because you as the mastermind have time to be confirmed or sell a certain demon world

[junior knot]

then its just gonna be a long game

[hollow oasis]

every time I see any MM day later than d2 it's been a loss except 1 time

[junior knot]

I was gonna say not with that meta

[hollow oasis]

and it was d3

and it was a zombuul who self-killed(memey game)

[junior knot]

gotta get em running minuit before you bring em back to BMR

maybe itll break some of those bad habits

[tidal quiver]

I remember ST-ing a great mm win game where the po sank a ton (I think they charged and tried to kill but 2 of them got blocked maybe) and sold zombuul worlds for the first 3 days and nobody even considered MM days

[junior knot]

no i meant that legitimately

[tidal quiver]

honestly I think people just need exposure therapy to BMR

[junior knot]

I observed a 15 player BMR game where there were two minstrel days in a row and then a MM day

[hollow oasis]

y'all say it like it's the same 12 guys

[dense moat]

Taking credit for a woman's work. Smh

/j.

[hollow oasis]

again, 200 randoms

[junior knot]

welcome to corporate ?America?

[hollow oasis]

??

[junior knot]

i didn't say it'd be easy

I just said do it

[dense moat]

he says while (probably?) not being American

[tidal quiver]

I've not played minuit but I imagine that minuit just teaches you to be paranoid and given the whole 'vortox or not' conundrum it's a very different line of thinking about natural information v. mechanical information (there's no good antonym to 'mechanical' here so I've come up with natural)

[hollow oasis]

it's all whalebuffet that aint goddamn happening

...

actually

what doesn't help is that like

not in bluffs=I'm not bluffing it

[dense moat]

I'm gonnasay Voudon for the sole reason that I had a fun game recently where I was a Voudon

[tidal quiver]

based!

[hollow oasis]

and outsiders aren't in bluffs

[dense moat]

I probably wouldnt add Voudon much as an ST because i dont run much BMR

[junior knot]

just add it to RTTB. ez

[tidal quiver]

bold of you to assume that RTTB gets to the nomination phase >:)

[junior knot]

courtier drinks the spy who then Doomsays the Vortox ofc

[tidal quiver]

you jest but I've seen it at least twice

[junior knot]

i wasnt joking

[low umbra]

Pretty sure we tried to do that for the character interaction chat and it immediately collapsed

[karmic rose]

Big fan of Bureaucrat, big anti-fan of Deviant

[coarse fern]

The more deviant hate the better

[olive marsh]

what’s wrong with deviant its just a little guy

[coarse fern]

Little guy who constantly creates negative social situations

Bad little guy

[karmic rose]

Deviant is extremely prone to facilitating main character syndrome in some groups

[coarse fern]

Also the ST having to determine whether someone is “funny” can get pretty hurtful in my experience

[karmic rose]

yeah... it feels so bad telling someone to sad ant bindle

the deviant when talking over genuine worldbuilding attempts to shitpost doesn't save them

(yes ik deviant can be run with different criteria and I do want to try that)

[low umbra]

That happened in a session I had last night, the deviant was like ‘haha I can’t be killed, hehe I’m going to fill up the discussion space of town because I’m so funny’ and turned out to be good anyway

They were new to the game but damn was that difficult to manage as a good player trying to solve

[pseudo fulcrum]

I don't care what anyone says I love Apprentice

[dusty thistle]

Gnome! Gnome gnome gnome gnome gnome! Use gnome and only gnome. Nothing but gnome. Just gnome.

[fleet hedge]

Gnome is pretty goodsided

[dusty thistle]

stabs you

[fleet hedge]

giving town extra killpower is just strong

[dusty thistle]

Yeah but he's such a funny little guy!

With a knife!

[viscid citrus]

deviant is fun and a joy :)

it does depend on the storyteller and group though

[dusty thistle]

That's why Deviant is my second favorite

[viscid citrus]

if they jus wanna try tap you every day to see if you were funny it’s a bit more sad

[fleet hedge]

everyone can agree that Judge is the worst

[dusty thistle]

In case you noticed, I like the travelers who get the town laughing their butts off.

[grizzled marsh]

Small update for point 3: And isn't directly causing their plague doctor amigo to die after killing the savant who forgot the player they nommed was the amigo

[hollow oasis]

TRUE

[unkempt tangle]

Vigormortis Evil Twin

[unkempt tangle]

Depending on the script, an extra minion ability can be gamechanging

like, on TB, i just dont see apprentice being balanced

[grizzled marsh]

It works?

[unkempt tangle]

does it

in 1 minion games, the Vigor has no ability

unless they kill the evil twin, which is just not smart

[grizzled marsh]

In 1 minion game yeah weird

Kill the good twin in the night, pit-hag the evil twin into the demon of your choice

[unkempt tangle]

I might put them together if more than 1 minion

[grizzled marsh]

Vigorkill the evil twin

Good has no instant way of figuring it out

[lost thistle]

vigor doesnt affect demons though

[unkempt tangle]

the twins getting killed by the demon is not normal

[lost thistle]

just minions

[unkempt tangle]

it literally just means its Vigormortis

and also good has a pretty good idea where the vigor poison is

so yeah it just doesn't really

that pig hag strat might be a good idea tho

[grizzled marsh]

I'm gonna rephrase it:
World 1: Pit-hag ET. Pit-hag turns the ET into another demon after the GT died
World 2: Vigor kills the pit-hag

Actually does it work?

[unkempt tangle]

World 1 might be a viable strategy

get the town to think there is no way one of the twins is the demon

and assume the vigor is stupid and killed the evil twin

World 2 is just, the Vigormortis doesn't kill one of their minions (the ET). Which is fine if they have another minion

but it does mean they get less potential use out of their ability than they would normally

One issue with World 1 is that demon movement via Pit Hag is signalled by the ST

so town will know its a possibility

making it a bit dubious in terms of effectiveness. but it could work

[grizzled marsh]

Yeah actually idk if it can work

Too tired rn

[naive flame]

VGvideo(Demon)
Each night* choose a player, they die. The First Outsider you pick this way becomes a out-of-play minion instead. [+1 Outsider]

[naive flame]

After my last interaction with ( check #livetext-game) I'll say Fuck the gnome, that shit can die probably not the gnome.

I like it's cool.

And also the especially with the it was hilarious seeing people with -3 votes

Anwyays

[fallow rapids]

TOO MANY QUESTIONS

[naive flame]

09/15/25

Wizard Wizz-ry

Woah look your the in a game.. what would you wish be? , and ofcurse someone Has to give it's hint/drawback or whatever-

[next marlin]

Alex why do you do the thing where you react to your own messages

[naive flame]

I'm bored okay

Let me be.

[fallow rapids]

alex is 2 people running the same account

[naive flame]

I'll just disappear

[fallow rapids]

wish granted, Alex has travelled out of the game

[naive flame]

maybe I am one with 2 personalities

[dusty thistle]

I wish for a turkey sandwich.

[fallow rapids]

🫓
🇹🇷
🫓

[dusty thistle]

That's a Türkiye sandwich.

[fast anchor]

🫓

🫓

[acoustic chasm]

That's a genie wish not a wizard wish

Anyway I wish to gain a variety of traveller abilities

[fallow rapids]

sure. granted

Once per Game during night you might be woken Up, you Will not be able to Talk for the Next day, that day may be shorter, if you were to Talk, there could be consequences

You may freely enter all private conversations without being invited.

Each night*, choose 2 players: They swap seats. If anyone is mad about seats changing, they might be executed.

You can't be exiled. You can't vote on nominations that you didn't make. If you nominate a player, and they are not put on the block: you die, else: you are drunk till dusk. Your vote counts as two.

if you good you gain an outsider ability, if evil you gain an equivalent ability that hurts the evil team in a similar way

as a treat i GUESS you can get the Bard traveller which just gives you your wishes back

anyways, I wish we were playing lizards, the hit clocktower subgenre where i can get a cool unique evil ability related to my favourite character, the pacifist

[naive flame]

One good player knows you are evil and you might not even be evil.

[dusty thistle]

I wish to find out what lizards is.

[feral snow]

Granted. Lizards is a homebrew kind of version of Clocktower in which all players are given abilities inspired by official characters of their choice. For example, if you are the Demon who chose Ferryman, you’d have a Demon ability inspired by the ferryman

The cost of this wish is that you might want to play lizards

[sharp violet]

The clue for this wish is the link to the Lizards discord thread becomes posted

https://discord.com/channels/569683781800296501/1064690145904840744

[sharp violet]

I wish that my most recent wish in this thread becomes granted: https://discord.com/channels/569683781800296501/1324564246125871124

[dusty thistle]

Granted. The cost is you are now the evil Imp, and the Imp is the good alchemist wizard.

[sharp violet]

Not granted, as it would take too long to come up with viable abilities for everyone - I need prep time before Lizards. In exchange, would you like to wish to gain a minion ability based on the Pacifist?

[junior knot]

Wizard, Wizard, in the Grimm,
I wish that outsiders become Imps

[sharp violet]

Granted. Minions become evil Alchemists with their original ability.

[junior knot]

cool I get another wish

[sharp violet]

but I can prompt you to choose differently and likely will nearly all of the time

[junior knot]

Wizard, Wizard, in Town Square,
I wish the ST chops off all their hair

[junior knot]

you can do that with Wizard anyway tbh

[sharp violet]

the difference is how much i will use/abuse it

[sharp violet]

not granted

[versed junco]

granted, here's the grim, get choppin

[junior knot]

I'm not allowed to ST, remember?

[dense moat]

Wish: At some point in this game, while 5 or more players live, everyone except the Demon & 2 other players will die.

[sharp violet]

not in your group, this prompt never specified this wasn't a random other group

[sharp violet]

Granted. This happens N4 after kills from other sources have happened, and the two other players will both be good. When you die, I tell town to prepare for an explosion N4.
Edit: you learn the cost so you can help evil prepare for it.

[karmic rose]

granted. Maybe a casual boomdandy reference if it's not on script

[feral snow]

I wish (privately) to make three public fake wishes before making a real one

[lost thistle]

granted. this is your real wish

[dusty thistle]

Granted. The Boomdandy countdown does not occur.

[grizzled marsh]

[16/9]
Translate a character's ability to another language and let people guess the character

[hollow oasis]

can I reserve next secret thing

[hollow oasis]

The Reason.

[grizzled marsh]

💀

[hollow oasis]

oh

wait ability

that was a character mb

[grizzled marsh]

Wait that was meant to be a character?

[hollow oasis]

yes

[junior knot]

...

[grizzled marsh]

"Can i do the next one pls? The reason being that yours sucks"

[hollow oasis]

?

[grizzled marsh]

That's what i thought you said

[hollow oasis]

no It's because I've been waiting to reserve one

||I'm running my world famous gameshow again||

||Remember the Legion rice grimoire? I have another one.||

«Когда Миньон умирает от казни, все остальные игроки (кроме Путешественников) пьянеют до наступления завтрашнего вечера».

for my actual response

this is not a character it's an ability this time

[tardy wyvern]

||is it barber||

[grizzled marsh]

I hesitated about if i should've mentioned "a language that's at least using the same letters and some words being similar" 😭

[coarse fern]

Is there a limit on how many times we can translate it

[grizzled marsh]

||Scarlet woman was my first thought||

[hollow oasis]

I translated it once.

[grizzled marsh]

Tbf my original intent was to translate it into let's say italian then let people find words that are similar in english and italian to guess it, but ig you can also use google translate 10 times then back to english and laugh about it

[hollow oasis]

oh

[grizzled marsh]

Le Narrateur peut briser les règles du jeu. S'il est exécuté, les bons gagnent, même si vous êtes mort. [Aucun joueur mauvais]

Stuff like that

Vous commencez la partie en sachant combien de paires de mauvais voisins sont dans la partie.

That might be a fun one

[hollow oasis]

I will say

If I make it a normal language it is wholly too obvious

[grizzled marsh]

"Normal"

[hollow oasis]

"Lè yon Minion mouri pa ekzekisyon, tout lòt jwè yo (eksepte Vwayajè yo) sou jouktan demen solèy kouche."

I think this is balanced

[hollow oasis]

not russian

[grizzled marsh]

||Minstrel||

[hollow oasis]

that was the ability I put in russian

[grizzled marsh]

Now guess mines

[hollow oasis]

||Atheist||

[feral snow]

||chef||

[fallow rapids]

Hanya Pencerita boleh mencalonkan. Sekurang-kurangnya 1 pemain lawan mesti dicalonkan setiap hari.

[hollow oasis]

jesus

[fallow rapids]

not impossible

keywords being repeated -calonkan and capitalised Pencerita

[hollow oasis]

my first guess is gf if there was a setup text

[fallow rapids]

no setup text

i would translate setup text into square brackets as usual

[hollow oasis]

damn

[low umbra]

||Atheist and chef, no?||

[fallow rapids]

i wanted something to be incredibly difficult but have some clues to what it could be

[thorny summit]

||King?||

[fallow rapids]

Pencerita is not a character

[low umbra]

||Spirit of Ivory?||

Honestly no idea, just trying to place the 1

[fallow rapids]

wait ||King|| doesn't even have the capitalised at the front

you all underestimate how mean i am tbh

[low umbra]

I just google translated it and I love it

[feral snow]

Uh pardon my french

Chaque nuit, choisissez un joueur: si il nomme demain, il meurt. Si seulement trois joueurs vivent, vous perdez cette capacité.

[thorny summit]

||Bishop?||

[feral snow]

Nice

[low umbra]

||witch||

Me knowing a decent amount of French makes it feel like I’m cheating lol

[feral snow]

Oh same yeah

[sharp violet]

Kung ang Demonyo ay mamatay sa pamamagitan ng pagkakatuklo (nagwawakas ng laro), maglaro para sa 1 pang araw. Kung ang isang manlalaro ay pagkatapos ay ma-execute, matatalo ang kanilang koponan.

[sour harness]

I know enough french to know for a fact that this is ||atheist ||

[sharp violet]

i used google translate for this because i don't actually know multiple languages

[sour harness]

And that this is ||chef ||

[dense moat]

do we translate to a lnaguage and back to english? or just keep in not English?

Puoi nominare solo una volta per partita. Quando lo fai, se il candidato non è il Demone, muore.

[tidal quiver]

||golem?||

[dense moat]

Ogni notte, diventi l'allineamento di un vicino vivo. Se tutti i giocatori validi scelgono di unirsi al tuo culto, la tua squadra vince.

[grizzled marsh]

||Cult leader||

[dense moat]

Si fuiste el jugador más responsable de la derrota de tu equipo, cambias de alineación y ganas, incluso si estás muerto.

[warped urchin]

||Politician?||

[olive marsh]

||poli||

[tidal quiver]

I started off like "ooh this would be fun if I put it in Latin" and then I spent 5 minutes on it and I feel like there's no way you could get this but please prove me wrong. I had to make a couple small concessions in the wording but I think it all makes sense still
Facultas adjutoris habes. Cum usus hanc, vates te eligere varie promat.

I'm curious to see how well people who speak Italian do, if anyone is in here

[next marlin]

Ĉiunokte*, elektu ludanton: ili mortas. La scio de urbanoj estas malvera. Se neniu estas ekzekutita en tago, la malbona teamo venkas la ludon.

[tidal quiver]

malvera no way I like that guy!

[olive marsh]

ohhhhh ||vortox?||

[tidal quiver]

wait is this ||lycan||?

wait why is that a berk how am I supposed to interpret that lol

[olive marsh]

if i do one i’m removing setup brackets because they’re too much of a givaway fwiw

[tidal quiver]

yeah I would have done legion if it weren't for that

[tidal quiver]

||vortox?||

yippee!

[next marlin]

||I translated 'townsfolk abilities yield false info' as 'the knowledge of the townsfolk is false' because I figured a literal translation might be clunky and I don't need to standardize terminology if we aren't translating the entire game into Esperanto (when are we doing that)||

[olive marsh]

wow this one is hard

[tidal quiver]

ahh okay that's what language it is

[tidal quiver]

this might be kinda a spoiler if you squint (so I'll spoiler it in case, it doesn't say the answer) but ||it has some complicated structure||

sometimes latin would be a dead giveaway but this time it's not

[olive marsh]

the fact that it’s so concise is what’s throwing me mostly

[zenith lotus]

||beggar?||

i know two words here

[tidal quiver]

oh totally, latin is just so efficient (ignore the fact that I spent 5 minutes on that)

[feral snow]

||preacher||

[olive marsh]

i don’t want this confirmed but where i am rn is i think ||cum usus hanc means once per game?||

[tidal quiver]

interesting! As someone who is way too far in the tunnel of 'veterans assuming that the general populus knows way more on the subject than they actually do' it's nice to see what people make of this

[next marlin]

populusstill not switched back into english

[olive marsh]

i’m trying to solve it off sentence structure mainly

[tidal quiver]

look sometimes I'll do too much latin and then still pronounce english 'v's as 'w's because latin does that

I promise I don't bleed that much more

[olive marsh]

for some reason my brain really really really wants to translate the whole text into ||“you can’t die. once per game, votes for you don’t count.”||

which is certainly a character ability of all time

[zenith lotus]

im beginning to think i have the wrong definition for one of them

[olive marsh]

||the second part is the thing i’m having a really hard time getting my brain to stop forcing into that space, the first is visually obviously wrong ||

[tidal quiver]

I can give a hint if y'all want

[olive marsh]

im doing my best here

[tidal quiver]

I can kinda see how you get this tho

[olive marsh]

off structure it almost seems like ||sailor||

yeah i thought not but i had to post it just in case

[tidal quiver]

hint: ||"eligere" (you might recognize it's other form, "electum") means 'to choose'||

it's hard to make good hints just in general

[tidal quiver]

||that's the only word I think I could reasonably give without narrowing it down to like <5 and still providing guidance ||

[olive marsh]

||damsel? also feels wrong but has a vaguely similar structure||

[warped urchin]

||Alchemist?||

[zenith lotus]

okay i did have a word wrong

[tidal quiver]

I'm curious to hear what you had

[olive marsh]

||mez?||

[zenith lotus]

i didnt really have anything, but i thought ||cum was "with"||

[olive marsh]

im still not looking at the hint yet i believe in myself

[tidal quiver]

||ahh, it usually does so good on you for figuring that out but it has a few unique constructions called 'cum clauses' that can make it translate slightly differently||

[tidal quiver]

I believe in you!

[zenith lotus]

smh how dare latin be a complicated language

[tidal quiver]

so true!

[olive marsh]

unfortunately i have gone through every character including travs and fabled without anything standing out so i’m going to look at the first hint

the first sentence is what really keeps throwing me

[grizzled marsh]

||Abilities next to habes. Cum usus hanc, votes you choose may change||
That's how i'd try to translate it and it means absolutely nothing

At this point i feel like the best thing we can use to solve it is "roughly 3 words, period, roughly 3 words, comma, roughly 5 words"

[olive marsh]

i’m wondering if maybe the short first sentence isnt first on the english version

[grizzled marsh]

Tbf the current description i have implies that it's (something passive). (something about choosing)

And it's not organ grinder because it doesn't fit

[olive marsh]

i don’t think it says “demon” because iirc the latin word is fairly recognizable

[grizzled marsh]

And nothing fits

I'll see tomorrow, rn i need to sleep

[coarse fern]

|| GOLEM ||

That’s all I know

[sour harness]

I want you to know that this is the funniest thing

[lost thistle]

Ol i ken kilim yu sapos yu no laik lainim ol nupela samting long olgeta de. Wanpela taim long wanpela gem, taim yu go lukim Storyteller, yu lainim wanpela samting.

[sour harness]

First of all: is this a creole? Cool!!

Second of all: ||OCCULTIST????????||

||the second sentence starts with something that looks like "once per game" and once I saw that it all fell into place||

Actually incredible

[lost thistle]

||its tok pisin.||

[sour harness]

I don't think I know what that is

[lost thistle]

good

you should ask mabel 😇

[sour harness]

😭⁉️

[lost thistle]

okay so.

tl;dr there was an offserver all amne game ran

mabel was an outsider

[sour harness]

Oh 😭

[lost thistle]

who’s ability on one night forced her to speak in tok pisin

[sour harness]

Kinda fire

[lost thistle]

translate tools for tok pisin were so shitty that it ended up kinda creating a feedback loop on some translator site where mabel directly affected how it would translate things

[lost thistle]

@vital nova

[low umbra]

||typhon?||

[fallow rapids]

yes !!

[versed junco]

"Má mharaíonn an Deamhan thú, foghlaimeoidh na himreoirí go léir é seo. As seo amach, féadfaidh tú ainmniúchán a dhéanamh faoi dhó in aghaidh an lae agus vótáil faoi dhó in aghaidh gach ainmniúcháin."

[fallow rapids]

|| ||?

[versed junco]

||It's that yeah||

[tidal quiver]

sigh I've seen it too much for it to be funny to me and somehow everywhere I go it's people going "haha look at the funny word"

[karmic rose]

投票時は全プレイヤーが目を閉じ、投票結果は秘密にされる。毎晩、自分が「夕暮れまで酔っぱらう」か否かを選択せよ

[cold veldt]

to be fair, it IS very funny

[versed junco]

Unfortunately yes it is terminally hysterical

[fallow rapids]

here's one for you

Ja, aber nicht.

see? i can even translate abilities into languages i barely know!

[lost thistle]

okay how the hell is that only three words

||soldier?????||

||wait is this trouble bewing soldier||

[low umbra]

I don’t think that’s an actual character’s ability text

[fast anchor]

||Recluse??||

[low umbra]

Oh lmao incredible

[sour harness]

Not the word tho the phrase

[flat lintel]

Wait what if you translate it like 50 times and than bring it to English

[thorny summit]

Tried it

"You can work. The manufacturer may require you to do some work to use it."

[flat lintel]

Tinker?

Hint?

[simple crystal]

||alchemist? ||

[thorny summit]

||The sentence structure is mostly unchanged, but the original had a comma||

[sharp violet]

9/17: Whalebuffet draft time! Pick 8 characters (3 TF, 1 Outsider, 1 Minion, 1 Demon, 2 Any) and I'll make a grim!

Banned characters: Atheist, Heretic, Engineer, Pit-Hag, Kazali, Philosopher, Evil Twin, Legion
Drunk/Lunatic/Marionette cannot be chosen but can be assigned if necessary

[pure meadow]

?

[sharp violet]

(not marionette, sorry)

[pure meadow]

Widow instead of Mario then

[next marlin]

you mean

[coarse fern]

Hmmm how do I make my odds of rolling golem as high as possible

[next marlin]

[coarse fern]

Oop

[low umbra]

How to get access to the current character token emojis?

[olive marsh]

i know they’re in the patreon server, i’m sure other unaffiliated servers have them too

either way you’d need nitro to use them here

[simple crystal]

[supple dirge]

[next marlin]

📝 other people are cowards who don't want to play demon

[low umbra]

(because no one will see the vortox pick coming, that’s definitely how that will work)

[simple crystal]

wait I didn't think of it in terms of probability, I should add a second demon lol

[lean isle]

[versed junco]

[fast anchor]

Alsaahir in Whalebuffet is bold

[fast anchor]

Ojo in whale is bold

[next marlin]

I claim minion and guess axo as the damsel

[fast anchor]

[versed junco]

I claim alsaahir and guess vati as minion and someone else as demon idk

Who's bold now

[next marlin]

LM game

[fallow rapids]

(legal pick)

[fast anchor]

who's gonna tell her setup abilities don't work in whalebuffet

[fallow rapids]

i know but it's very funny

my favourite character is blank token

[dusty thistle]

[tacit fiber]

[torpid mist]

[dry sluice]

[fast anchor]

oooh DA is fun

[karmic rose]

[fast anchor]

Singular Legion is insane work