secret thing

[junior knot]

How much info can be suspect at one time

[supple dirge]

I've had one time where I've given a thumbs up to gambler to say I got their choice and confused them thinking I was saying that was correct, so try avoid that now

[junior knot]

that's where 👌 comes in

[lucid crag]

if a mutant said this to me i'd execute them d1 before they get the chance to speak /j

[supple dirge]

[8/29] with jinxes getting a rework, what's a 'just for fun' jinx/optional rule you'd want in the game?

[feral snow]

I don’t think this is public knowledge outside of spec and spoilers so I’m curious how people will react to this

[olive marsh]

it was on stream, that’s about as public as it gets

[feral snow]

Depends how many people saw the stream

This is the first time I’ve seen it mentioned outside of spec and spoilers

[olive marsh]

its still public even if it isn’t well known

[feral snow]

Fair

[versed junco]

This is the first time I've heard it mentioned and I'm pretty active in spec what huh

[sour harness]

I mean I knew lol

I don't remember where I saw it but it wasn't specspoilers

There was a twitch clip

[sour harness]

"the cerenovus cannot make a player mad as the goblin"

🙏

[feral snow]

It’s been a recent development in the last 24 hours

[flat lintel]

Wait what? What’s the rework like?

[supple dirge]

Jams has been talking about in specs and spoilers last night and this morning

[dry sluice]

Rather than suggest 1 specific jinx, I suggest:

Normalize custom scripts tweaking characters. Use a that only has self-misreg. Use a with [-0 to -1 Outsider]. Drag down into the minions section. Clearly indicate whenever a character has changed from RAW.

[spiral pollen]

I expected this actually

With how they are going more towards being loosey goosey with rulings

[lost thistle]

minion philo 🔥

[supple dirge]

I like the idea of vigor being - 0 or -1 on some scripts

[lost thistle]

new vigor

[tardy wyvern]

when in the stream was this?

[feral snow]

Idk I didn’t watch the stream but there are clips in spec and spoilers

[rose vault]

Isn't this just optional rules? Eg: the wraith death, the orge's eternal friendship...

[dusty thistle]

Why do people not like that jinx? If you don't want to do that, choose a different character. There is literally no reason for it to not be in the game.

[dense moat]

I mean, it’d be the player made mad who would not like being made mad as Goblin

Cerenovuses probably like choosing Goblin.

And they’re the ones who choose to do tha

[dusty thistle]

Just break madness

If you don't want to commit

And STs need to enforce nocommital madness

[dense moat]

I mean, afaik, the people who object to Cere Goblin jinx find it unfun to try acting out being evil convincely.

Especially since it’s not inherently obvious what would fulfill madness besides claiming Goblin on block

Since a Goblin otherwise wouldn’t claim their role all the time. And probably would still bluff a good character until pit on the block

[grizzled marsh]

The problem isn’t your choice, it’s that half of players will do that when both are on script

[supple dirge]

I not sure I've ever seen someone choose that when its on the script.

[dusty thistle]

Yeah, me neither

I really don't see the problem

[grizzled marsh]

I don’t have a huge opinion on the jinx, but i can’t say that making someone mad as the goblin is a very situational thing that’s only good in niche situations

[dusty thistle]

If they do, it's late in the game with a legitimate demon frame

Well anyway, my answer has to be Poppygrower bypassing Vortox. Yes, there's a trick, but not everyone knows it. Getting it just bypassed is better.

[grizzled marsh]

Trick?

[olive marsh]

showing the demon as a minion and the minions as demons iirc

[grizzled marsh]

Oh that, i thought it was a trick on the player's side

[lost thistle]

trolling the players by doing that but putting one incorrect player in there (its okay because pg is a townsfolk)

[junior knot]

Tbh, a Shenanigan Librarian... A fabled where if a shenanigan is not your ability and you try to do it, something bad might happen.

To curtail some of the egregious time wasting, and to make it a decision whether you obscure a Gossip/Juggler/Slayer

Might for if evil/Drunks/Pixies/Ceremad etc are actively bluffing a role continuously, rather than the vizier trying to form a cult, for example

[next marlin]

Goddammit I'm the Lunatic again

[grizzled marsh]

/: The investigator can learn the thief.

[low umbra]

I pretend to be unmeta-able and vehemently claim to be, but I still have biases at the end of the day. It does mean that there is rarely discussion around trying to meta the ST, which I much prefer it being that way, but yeah. I have biases and preferences, even if I try to make things as unpredictable as possible (while still being balanced obv)

[low umbra]

The main thing about that jinx for me is that it’s the most socially loud madness in the game. And I tend to prefer more quiet/subtle madness, no matter what role in the game I have

[hollow oasis]

Today I exed a mutant for saying

“Don’t worry about the outsider count”

[low umbra]

That’s a different way of saying ‘there might just be an outsider not claiming’ and imo isn’t an indicator of being an outsider. But tbf your situation sounds funnier if they are exed for saying it cause it’s more suggestive than the rewording I said

[hollow oasis]

There were 0 outsider claims in a 9p game

[hollow oasis]

I looked at a private chat

[junior knot]

1984 much? lol jk

[hollow oasis]

People were like “they’re subtlety hinting they’re an outsider”

and it was a like “oh you’re an outsider”

[junior knot]

Was it a vigor game?

[hollow oasis]

No

[low umbra]

I mean it depends on how experienced your group is (and that player specifically) cause tbh I agree with the sentiment that more experienced/advanced players should be held to a higher standard of madness than players that have only been in 20-30 games with madness

[hollow oasis]

Poli+Mutant

[hollow oasis]

This is app

(In Fairness it was a madness break)

(Their reasoning was trying to subtlety hint they were an outsider)

[low umbra]

Well lol yeah exe that for sure. I def agree with the decision in that case

[hollow oasis]

but that was uh

mentioned after

[low umbra]

I mean, you made a call and you were right on it

[flat lintel]

It’s better to just be clear with new players about this anyways though

I still carry that certain things are good, even if they’re long outdated because that’s how things were allowed when I first played

[feral snow]

[8/30] give me a Clocktower-themed loading screen tip!

For example: On the first night, the Demon learns 3 good characters that aren’t in-play. This helps them blend in.

[sour harness]

People die when they are killed.

(this is false)

[junior knot]

I was about to say

You are allowed to say anything at any time

[lost thistle]

wrong!
hell’s librarian

[acoustic chasm]

Jinxes override the base rules of characters

[junior knot]

Money can be exchanged for goods and services

[junior knot]

This is also false

[karmic rose]

"confused about your role? Feel free to ask the storyteller for a private chat or a rules clarification at any time!"

[tidal quiver]

"If you ever don't know an exact ruling in the game, just choose whatever sounds the most fun and stick to it."

[supple dirge]

'Remember that spies can die to the virgin ability!'

[feral snow]

“Being executed doesn’t always mean you’ll die!”

[fast anchor]

"Empaths aren't real."

[flat lintel]

“Being dead doesn’t mean the games over.”

[hollow oasis]

“Most good players that survive execution do not survive due to DA”

“Evil players that survive execution are always due to DA on BMR”

[tardy wyvern]

"Tip: Claiming outsider early on Sects & Violets is risky! You never know when you might suddenly become the Fang Gu..."

[jovial ingot]

"There can only be 1 of each character in play, so anyone claiming they're your character is lying! They're scheming, good or evil, so find out what!"

[grizzled marsh]

"Dead players can still be picked by most characters, and be nominated"

[sharp violet]

"There's an exception to everything in this game - even each of the loading tips here!"

(which or course includes itself meaning there are some loading tips without exceptions)

[tardy wyvern]

"Everyone May Play As They wisH"

[fallow rapids]

"All Traveller rulings are in a state of superposition until you collapse it by asking the Storyteller."

[dusty thistle]

"Do not taunt the Storyteller."

"The Drunk does not proc the Virgin. Keep this in mind if the ability doesn't fire."

"Please be mindful of over talking."

[fast anchor]

"Don't mention the Baron incident."

[hollow oasis]

“Remember when playing the Sailor, the ST is trying to balance the game.”

“You can meta this.”

[fast anchor]

"If the Pit-Hag causes more than one death at night, it's a sign the Demon has changed type and location."

"If the Pit-Hag causes zero deaths, it's a sign the Demon has changed type... unless the Demon is dead and there's an Evil Twin pair."

[coarse fern]

“Golem is a townsfolk, Moonchild is a townsfolk, Witch is an Outsider, and Pacifist is an outsider”

[dense moat]

"You know how there's that tip about framing the Pacifist by never saving anyone? Ignore that one"

[dusty thistle]

"Execution is town's best tool. Do it every day."

[lost thistle]

“Okay maybe not on final four though”

[olive marsh]

"do it every day unless there's a strong reason not to"

[feral snow]

“You can nominate and execute dead players”

“Good players can lie too!”

[fast anchor]

"Hi specspoilers!"

[dusty thistle]

"There is a Widow in play"

[lucid crag]

This petition is my personal goal: https://forms.gle/6VkHudpXtgvJkjqm8

[lucid crag]

"If someone noticed that you lied to them just tell them you lied to everyone "

[dusty thistle]

"If you are evil, feel free to make a crazy play! The ST will back it."

[grizzled marsh]

What about exiles?

[lucid crag]

nah I'm here for fun not evil

also you can't jinx all travelers but you can jinx cult leader

[olive marsh]

abilities should categorically never affect exiles imo

[grizzled marsh]

I agree but exiles is also a vote

[junior knot]

[8/31]: Tell me about the piece of media you most want to see in a collab/intersection with BotC. And why.

Honestly I think an X-men script would go super hard

https://tenor.com/view/colossus-xmen-marvel-foxkids-superhero-gif-18122864

[feral snow]

I pray this never happens because the top down design homebrewers will never shut up again

I don’t really want collabs but I wouldn’t mind some flavour references here and there

[hollow oasis]

you know what

[feral snow]

Big sabrina carpenter fan so i’d love some references there (my homebrew is full of them)

[hollow oasis]

Exploding kittens

final offer

[sharp violet]

hence my "exception" tip

[junior knot]

Such as

[sharp violet]

I want to see exactly how Brawl Stars would make it work

[fallow rapids]

iunno. blue prince

[naive flame]

The Kazali chooses which minions are in-play but not who.

[naive flame]

Y e s.

[warm gate]

-
The Spy/Widow start knowing what roles are in-play and do not see the grim until the evil team learns each other.

(Widow would choose a character to poison on the first night)

[junior knot]

sounds like a pain irl

ngl

[warm gate]

fair enough

i just don't think it's particularly fun for Spy/Widow to be basically blank tokens in Poppy Grower games until the Poppy Grower dies

[junior knot]

understandable

but feasability is an important part of fixing

maybe they get their own bluffs with a poppy in play?

so not as involved, but still somewhat useful

[warm gate]

hmm maybe yeah

this is definitely a little under-cooked, but it's a thought i've had before

[low umbra]

Kind of adjacent: “an ST’s ruling in a game is final. Accept their ruling and discuss for future games if you disagree”

[flat lintel]

The incoming prompts may follow:
“why did you lie to me?”
“let’s execute them for lying to me”
“fuck you”
and any other pleasantries
please ensure you have life insurance against that

[naive flame]

I checked kazali and yeah I don't see this jinx.

Hopefully it'll be added.

Edit: changed character to minions so it's easier to recognize what I meant haha

[feral snow]

Honestly I don’t really like it

Like yeah if they did jinx it it’ll probably be that jinx

I just think it still takes away a huge part of what Kazali is

[low umbra]

That’s actually really neat, I like that

[fallow rapids]

iunno i'd make one for pacifist but it's the perfect character already 😎

well i mean there's levi lleech and riot but come on it's levi lleech and riot

they're not even that awful

[tidal quiver]

wait what's bad with paci + riot?

[warped urchin]

Riot kills aren't execution

[tidal quiver]

that's fine, you still get 2 days of executing for paci saves

[warped urchin]

(At least thats the only thing I can think of)

[tidal quiver]

yeah fair

[supple dirge]

I usually think its kinda weird to have botc characters be like actual characters and not archetypes. Maybe batman would work, lean into the dark gothic vibe clocktower also has

[lost thistle]

lynchdale

[versed junco]

TRUEEEE

[naive flame]

[09/01/25 - 5;30PM Gmt+8]

🎅MERRY CHRISTMAS🎄
(on my end I guess since it's celebrated early.)

Tell me what do you think what Christmas song(or festive song) your Favourite character listens to?

[next marlin]

It's September

[dusty thistle]

Santa Claus is coming to Town.

I guess

I've heard the Philippines has a long Christmas but wow.

[minor pier]

The Night Santa Went Crazy - Weird Al

[karmic rose]

yeah it's Christmas

[fallow rapids]

chirstmas. in september...

[olive marsh]

can you believe it guys? christmas! just a week away!

[junior knot]

that mashup of Santa clause is coming to town and halo

[feral snow]

I have so many answers to this

Have yourself a merry little Christmas will always be special to me

[junior knot]

We WISH you a merry crispmas

[fleet hedge]

Fairytale of New York

"The boys of the NYPD choir were singing Galway Bay, and the bells were ringing out for Christmas day."

[simple crystal]

My favorite Christmas song, Carol of the Bells, is obviously

[sharp violet]

Silent Night

[sharp violet]

Joy to the World

[olive marsh]

@karmic rose 🦌🛻 is wild

you're missing the most important part though

[simple crystal]

... grandma got run over by a reindeer

(the reindeer is the demon in this analogy I think)

[zenith lotus]

wouldnt they really really not want to listen to that song

[olive marsh]

there you go

[junior knot]

die hard

[dense moat]

Snow Halation (savant regularly watches anime)

[lost thistle]

9/2
its time for some reruns!
answer any previously asked question

[junior knot]

Ok so my hot take is...

[grizzled marsh]

Yes
(Surely there was a yes/no question someday)

[olive marsh]

without saying which one :)

[worldly jasper]

this

Hats off to anyone who knows what prompt that is

[tidal quiver]

the "let's make a character 1 word at a time" one?

[dusty thistle]

[olive marsh]

sentence

[dusty thistle]

Is

[warped urchin]

Wrong

[hollow oasis]

But

[warped urchin]

Probably just get killed

[zenith lotus]

definitely no, its two extra evils smh

[sharp violet]

hermit-drunk-(zealot/klutz/moonchild)

[fallow rapids]

hermit drunk bloody-anything

[fallow rapids]

probably Town Crier. there's not enough info TF roles that do similar things so it ends up everywhere

[coarse fern]

Minstrel

[pure meadow]

non ogre or goon +1 evils, well sometimes goon and ogre but less often?

that and most marionette things

[worldly jasper]

Favourite prompt lol but there’s no real way to know

[fast anchor]

i think the Pacifist and D/A are lezzing out sloppy style when nobody's looking (everybody's looking)

10/10 ship

[fallow rapids]

i agree

[wicked zodiac]

oh absolutely

[fallow rapids]

polycule (pacifist DA sailor fool tealady) and the ex (lleech)

[karmic rose]

CC, evil waffles is becoming the godfather, Kenoboi witch, and Proxi the Scarlet Woman.

I will be bluffing ceremadness until halfway through the game

[foggy grotto]

heck yes i got kaz picked

[karmic rose]

hope you're on that Hannah/Starlit witch grindset

[karmic rose]

anyways I now have enough of a mental model of people beyond "rolling a die and choosing my fav minions" 😌

[dusty thistle]

I really like that prompt, so I'll answer it. CC: Nerdy Cerenovus, Nexus SW, Axolator Widow

[sour harness]

[fast anchor]

wait which one is which

[sour harness]

You've got the question wrong I think

[fast anchor]

aah

[sour harness]

I'm combining them into a super townsfolk

[fast anchor]

there is no way soldier is fly in that trio

[pure meadow]

Kiss the minstrel, marry the soldier, kill the lycan

[sour harness]

Honestly yeah

[fast anchor]

see i thought this too at first but we haven't actually had an open kmk question

[dense moat]

Lycan will kill you if you try

[fast anchor]

the question asker usually sets the three up

[sour harness]

Actually switch soldier and minstrel

I don't want my spouse to die at war

[naive flame]

Y e p.

I already see Christmas lanterns here.. ;-;

[dense moat]

Be the change you want to see in the world :)

-# probably tomorrow tho

[pure meadow]

I feel like so would the soldier so maybe actually kiss lycan, marry soldier and kill minstrel?

[dense moat]

Honestly, if getting killed is a concern, that’s actually a valid order

And tbf, there’s like a 50% chance at least the Minstrel is super annoying anyways

[tardy wyvern]

The Honorable Judge

[versed junco]

TRUEEE

[lost thistle]

so, a couple years ago i decided to run a "true fishbucket". this not only had random roles, but also wasn't limited by character type, so you could have multiple demons or oops! all outsiders or shit

somehow it ended up randing to a pretty normal lil monsta bag, besides having like 8 outsiders or something.
anyways, mabel the confirmed golem ended up getting mez turned and holding the baby for the entire game, so that was something.
at least i had a savant to hint at that? but nobody really trusted the savant either...
evil ended up stomping that game, but at least town was suspecting a possible mabel!fang gu world by the end of it
i guess a game with 8 outsiders is kinda difficult 😅
with none of them giving town any information, unlike the Occultist, who must be mad about learning something new every day but once per game can visit the storyteller to learn a fact.

[foggy grotto]

FTL

[dry sluice]

Bonus points to anyone who identifies the fictional work.

A rich family and their servants gather on a private island. They play 8 successive games of 18-player Blood on the Clocktower.

In every game, the 9-year-old girl claims Atheist. Her claim is supported by ridiculous events, such as 6 players dying on the second night.

The protagonist refuses to stop thinking and accept that this is an Atheist game. He struggles to build wildly implausible but technically possible worlds. Every day, the Storyteller mocks him with Barista-sober Savant info that directly rules out his theories.

[junior knot]

https://tenor.com/view/halloween-scary-the-addams-family-spooky-wednesday-addams-gif-16331722839503404770

[dusty thistle]

Glass Onion?

[dry sluice]

Good guess, but no. The 9-year-old girl's Atheist claim is an explicit in-world claim that none of the 18 players have killed anybody, because all of the game's murders are the choices of an omnipotent Storyteller.

[fallow rapids]

2025-9-3
Welcome to Survive the Internet, the hit party game from the Jackbox Party Pack 4!

ahem. just take a response to yesterday's question and pretend it was answering a completely different one

if we run out of responses just go wild. . .

[feral snow]

YES I LOVE THIS GAME

[feral snow]

What happens to orphans who visit @warped urchin

[junior knot]

Ok this is a wild first game of BOTC to play. I'm glad you stuck with it!

[junior knot]

Hey, Lynchdale isn't the worst social deduction game...I'm sure there's at least one worse than it

[hollow oasis]

yea, mine

[fallow rapids]

Universe-ω7's 2025-09-02:

Take your most/least favourite character and the speed that you would throw it

[grizzled marsh]

What's the most stupid thing you've said as evil during a game?

[junior knot]

Me teaching my son what poker is

What's the best false Savant statement you've ever given?

[coarse fern]

What’s a decision you think you would regret?

[junior knot]

Best pickup line when meeting an actor at comicon/ a Character at Disneyland?

[grizzled marsh]

(Btw i'm reserving tomorrow's question to be to answer to one or more of the questions made today)

[sour harness]

WAIT THAT'S SO GOOD

[sour harness]

What tokens do you fear your teammates pulling the most?

[sour harness]

Oh yeah that's better lol

[sour harness]

If you got $10000 would you play a legion script once

[simple crystal]

What should the storyteller do if they make an ST mistake?

[sour harness]

Would you rather: die irl or play TB for the 8th time in a row

[karmic rose]

"how would you describe yourself once you retire?"

[junior knot]

Golem but you pull the princess token

[feral snow]

What happened in your life this weekend?

[coarse fern]

What do you like to think about in your free time?

[junior knot]

Ok someone please go back to the make a character one word at a time prompt

[junior knot]

What does your ideal relationship look like?

[dense moat]

What's your name again?

(sry for the ping dell)

[supple dirge]

What's something you always forget to do as ST?

[dusty thistle]

Dang it, I was just thinking about this.

What should I say to my friend struggling with a gambling addiction?

[dusty thistle]

Do you eat babies?

[junior knot]

(to the cadence of Will you wear wigs)

[dusty thistle]

What the hell? Why did you just kick my dog?

[supple dirge]

What do you think steven medway thought when making clocktower?

[junior knot]

That wasn't an answer to a question, that was a response to an answer

[supple dirge]

Damn, take me away boys 😔

[versed junco]

Opinions on the Titanic?

[supple dirge]

I prefer ships with more lifeboats

[junior knot]

i prefer ships in one piece

[versed junco]

Real

[olive marsh]

from what i understand of that series there are a LOT of ships

[junior knot]

fewer than you might think (a lot of characters are minors/not human so...)

[olive marsh]

(i meant in the sailing sense)

[junior knot]

(ik was just going further off course for the bit)

but also there are fewer named ships than you might expect in a pirate show

at least, from my perspective watching it

[olive marsh]

i wouldn’t know

[versed junco]

What's your strategy when you pull demon?

[fast anchor]

alternate universe q: fuck marry kill

[junior knot]

https://tenor.com/view/disney-prince-the-beast-beauty-and-the-beast-smiles-gif-15647313

https://tenor.com/view/roger-that-master-chief-soldier-copy-that-halo-gif-16605310

https://tenor.com/view/music-sad-crying-cry-guitar-gif-4849790065913003225

[fallow rapids]

What is the best character in the game?

[versed junco]

I wish Silksong would release. When will it?

[naive flame]

[08/03/25]

Kiss Marry Kill but make it BOTC edition.

BOTC*

[warped urchin]

Do we say three characters and then someone else does it?

Or do we just pick any three characters and then do it

[naive flame]

Honestly you can pick it yourself :3

I'll go

Kiss (and die)
Marry
Kill

[cold veldt]

not much of an exciting KMK if every character is on the board tbh

[grizzled marsh]

There was already a question today

[warped urchin]

Thats boring

[warped urchin]

Real

[fallow rapids]

just do a randomiser

we have a random page on the wiki for a reason

okay. bootlegger

Knight

oracle

well i'm stabbing homebrewymchomebrewface and marrying the knight

[fast anchor]

the d1 minion bluff trio: math tc juggler

someone else give me your thoughts

[flat lintel]

where did the questions about the game go? it’s been a lot of headcanon and fanfic questions 😭 not to be rude or anything

[coarse fern]

Kill the Math, marry the juggler, kiss the tc

I will not elaborate

[flat lintel]

Wait people bluff Math?

[fast anchor]

at least on d1 yeah

[flat lintel]

makes sense

but I feel like bluffing Math or a Savant is like the greatest scumslip/evil tell I would have

Cuz you have to be so correct with what you say and for Savant, how you say it

[dense moat]

Rolled Beggar, Xaan, Investigator

Kill the Xaan
Kiss the Beggar
Marry the Investigator

[lost thistle]

[lost thistle]

we ran out of ways to ask how hp should be ran

[junior knot]

Kiss bluffing
Marry bluffing
Kill bluffing

[junior knot]

Those have migrated to other discussion spaces. Now all that's left are vibes questions

[dense moat]

also i think this is supposed to be "9/3?"

[lucid crag]

i think the same question was asked a month ago so maybe not

[flat lintel]

im like so server behind

whats the new hit places

[tidal quiver]

there's #1399777176902963360 where it's secret thing but analyzing 2 character comboes, though I don't see why this can't also be about the game

[dense moat]

9/4:

Pick a question that has been asked before. Then, remove, add, or replace one word to make it hilarious/cursed

(reruns ahoy)

(also reccomended to add dates or link the original question)

[grizzled marsh]

Pick a question that hasn't been asked before. Then, remove, add, or replace one word to make it hilarious/cursed

[dense moat]

(this is an acceptable interpretation as well )

[feral snow]

[5/24]: if there were 3 ways, what would be most fun/necessary?

[junior knot]

Sorry you removed and changed a word

[feral snow]

Whoops

[junior knot]

Teehee

[dense moat]

3/7/25: What is your best experience with a person you generally don’t like?

[feral snow]

Nerdguy agreed with me on Ojo MHD once that was fun

/j

[dense moat]

2/7/2025: Make a copypasta that shittymorphs into you talking about the Wizard

[feral snow]

What a lazy remake. Like this whole question today was for witty, inspiring jokes, but this one was just lazy. You changed one word to a character that’s noticeably less funny and I feel like we in this thread should aspire for better. We had a billion questions and you could have done anything, just like how the Wizard can wish for anything for a price

That felt way longer when writing it

[dense moat]

also i just realized the missed opportunit here

||I shouldve said Showman instead||

[junior knot]

"Unfortunate" doesn't begin to describe my series, this game rewards blind luck and nothing else, I am beyond convinced at this point. After getting completely tooled by executions with my opponents changing votes on me last minute and refusing to provide confirmation prior to the day of the vote as to voting meta, losing this way somehow felt even worse than I had thought possible. My preparation was superior, my play was superior, and I lost, so I don't see a reason to continue engaging in an activity where what is within my control is overwhelmingly outweighed by what is not.

I am done with competitive BOTC, and you won't get a fond farewell. This community is infected to its roots with a degenerative disease that grows stronger over time but stops short of killing its host. Tournaments used to have a competitive spirit at their heart, this has been transplanted and replaced with an artificial organ that feeds on vitriol and mockery from insecure little boys that heckle by the sidelines and tear each other to shreds over scraps of attention. The environment we fostered has trapped us all like this in a vicious cycle, and escaping it requires acceptance of the harshest reality we all scramble to explain away, that none of the countless straining efforts we put ourselves through here will ever amount to one single shining glimmer of significance. I would make this the end, but BMR is still ongoing, and I would never leave so many great friends out to dry, so I'll suffer through a few more games for them.

One last thing before I leave you all to react with disdain, ridicule, and self-righteous fervor, before you do everything in your power to minimize my words and thoughts, box them up and shove them to some cobwebbed corner of your memory, and hope they disappear forever as a stain on your finite time ground to dust. From this moment on, nothing you say matters to me. The foulest insults you hurl with intent to wound will calmly settle at the earth before my feet, and the venom you spit will bring all the pain of a warm summer breeze. You are less than anything you can conceive, while I carry on, brimming with joy distilled from detachment, much like how a Wizard can wish, once per game, and have that wish be distilled from a cost and clue.

[dense moat]

Which BOTC characters would you most want to see on Survivor? And who would lose?

(8/9)

[dusty thistle]

[7/27] Add, remove, or replace one word in a townsfolk's ability to make them an outsider townsfolk (or at least useless).

[warped urchin]

Steward: you start knowing a player

[dusty thistle]

Oh hey, it's every Balloonist ever!

[main axle]

Gambler: Each night* choose a player and guess their character: if you guess wrong, you die.

[sour harness]

The wizard is perhaps the most advanced character in Blood on the Clocktower. Its ability to do quite literally anything at the will of a player is truly impressive. There are a few things the Wizard does in order to limit this, one of which is that it can only ever happen once per game. This is very similar to the Occultist, which is an Outsider that can learn something once per game. This comes from The Bootlegger's Anthology, a collection of homebrew characters by Elluna. It features a lot of really creative outsiders, including the Occultist. It even has a few nonconformist characters, like the sleepwalker, cryptid, and obscrul. These are characters whose effects aren't completely defined in advance. One such nonconformist character in the officially released game is the Wizard, which can wish for anything, but at a cost. This ability can be incredibly powerful, so the Storyteller often needs to do something special to bring the game back to a balanced state. This can be anything from reviving players to sobering them up to telling good players information. It's really cool that an ability that helps evil can tell good players information! This reminds me of the Occultist, which is a homebrew Outsider that nonetheless can learn information once per game. The thing that makes it an Outsider despite its genuinely useful information is that it must be mad about learning something new every day, or risk execution. This throws some serious doubt on the things the Occultist is saying, even when they're sharing their true information. This information can be very useful when bluffed, especially as a Minion. If a Minion is bluffing a potent Occultist statement and then gets killed by the Vigormortis, that's a great way to lean into the social trust that Vigormortis harnesses, while also blending in with its negative Outsider modification and socially boosting that information! This makes it a great pairing with Vigormortis.

There are a lot of considerations for putting Vigormortis on a script, including which Outsiders it's paired with, but perhaps the most important is which Minions it's paired with. In most cases, Vigormortis doesn't really synergize with frontloaded Minions, such as Wizard. Since a Wizard can make their wish early, there often isn't much reason to hold it until later. This is dissimilar to Elluna's Occultist, which doesn't get to choose when it learns a fact, and will often learn it relatively late. This is because the Occultist is an Outsider that has to be mad about learning something new every day, but once per game, can learn a fact.

[fallow rapids]

i like how you replied to the 9/2 question when we have two 9/3 questions

[dense moat]

I did that because the 9/2 was about reruns :)

[coarse fern]

Vizier would lose, they can’t lie about their intentions

[versed junco]

We've asked about our favourite questions from this thread before, but what are some of your least favourite answers?

[versed junco]

You can modify any member's name (or script name, why not) by adding, changing, or removing a single letter. What horrible horrible changes do you make?

[cold veldt]

i create gerryjuniour

it's like gerryjunior but spelled by someone that thinks that the word junior applies to the same conventions as neighbor/neighbour

[vernal tiger]

So I was playing a game of TB + Wizard the other day and like all STs my ST could not resist racking with a Wizard in the bag so the Wizard wishes that all Townsfolk shit themselves however the cost was that the Wizard had to clean up after the game and also this was half of the 108 so it also had Vortox so anyways I was monk protect as the Empath but the Wizard then got star Vortoxpassed so is there a Jinx between Shit-Monk-Vortox-Wizard-Imp-Hermit or is my Storyteller in the wrong for telling me to go fuck myself. I guess you learn something new everyday, like the vigormortis from Sects and Violets who allows high agentic Minions to retain their ability after death, and poison 1 Townsfolk neighbor

[versed junco]

IT ISN'T?!

[fallow rapids]

no

it's directly borrowed from a latin iuvenior

most words like saviour get borrowed through french, i.e. sauveour

p sure neighbour is a completely unrelated old english word

[dense moat]

I remove the S from Pebbles.

He is now Pebble

[karmic rose]

LizardKizard

[coarse fern]

Nooooo

[olive marsh]

noooo how could you do this to my brother in multiplicity

hey pebble, i’ve been saving one particular biscuit for a rainy day… it’s super stale and hard as a rock, if you crumble it it’ll almost be like getting your pebbles back

[dusty thistle]

I'm already doing this with Nerdguy

I keep calling him Nerdyguy

[dense moat]

I can also turn Amy into Emy

[cold veldt]

@karmic slate you're not the only one!!

[supple dirge]

7/3: which character of each type would you say is most considered a “sexy” character on customs scripts and why?

[feral snow]

Goon

[wicked zodiac]

Each night, choose a player: tomorrow, they are “sexy”, or might be executed.

[olive marsh]

shabaloth

[coarse fern]

Golem

[dusty thistle]

I mean if you're into that...

[naive flame]

Bluwe -> Blue
Cursed Relic -> Cursed Relics
Lady Mist -> Lady Miss
Paradox -> Paradoxx

[dense moat]

Axolator -> Axolater

[naive flame]

I wouldn't mind..

[olive marsh]

see you later axolator

[dense moat]

Lemonlimelimey -> Lemonlamelimey

[naive flame]

LOL

Okay every type

That's gonna be hard.

[junior knot]

There's a axolater at the dive bar. A drunken axolater shouldn't drive cars. You should tell the axolater, if you come back tomorrow, we're gonna breathalyze you then your wife and kids are gone

[naive flame]

I guess I wouldn't mind a hot muscular slayer.

I'll be their huntsman.

double the people, double the fun :3

I wouldn't mind.

try something new, always a wild card.

if your into tentacles, No Dashii and Llech are you best hopes.

Furry > for sure(sorry not sorry)

Idk tbh, I have not heard of Alex[+Flood] at all.

[olive marsh]

i suspect we are rapidly approaching the line of what's acceptable in this public server with minors

[dusty thistle]

Who's lemonlimelimey? Never heard of them.

[naive flame]

I wanted to make a question but seems I am now been late to the party 🙁

[09/04/25] What would you consider a underrated or overrated character(from how you play it)

[junior knot]

1. Abe Lincoln Vampire Hunter

2. Cinderella

3. Those twins who have to share everything, even a boyfriend

4. A cult in northeast oregon, kinda Twilight vibes

5. Blue collar worker with a lethal face card

[naive flame]

For me, an underrated character would honestly be the , you don't even know how many times I won with alchemist, one of which was alch-goblin

[naive flame]

HELP?

[naive flame]

Idk if you wall want to answer this but I'll let this just linger for a bit.

[junior knot]

what seems to be the problem?

[dusty thistle]

Acrobat is easily my favorite underrated character. Such a fun concept that can work well in an admittedly very niche setting

[junior knot]

It's so hard to make work though

[naive flame]

New Acrobat, Scapegoat, Gnome and Gangster all work in BMR don't you think?

[junior knot]

NOOOOOOO

Ok please tell me you're joking

[naive flame]

IT WORKS VERY WELL THOUGH???

[dusty thistle]

I won't lie New Acrobat kinda does

not the others tho

[naive flame]

see???

I'm not alone on this journey imo

Lycanthrope too works

[junior knot]

Only if you're ST has token integrity

And only kinda even then

[naive flame]

Swap Exorcist to Lycanthrope

Swap potentially sailor to acrobat

And boom, BMR+ :3

[junior knot]

~~You're Missing ~~

[dusty thistle]

~~And ~~

[naive flame]

That can work too but it's the only character that can do 3+ kill

[junior knot]

one of the only sources of droison you're getting rid of for acro?

[junior knot]

no that goes on SnV

[naive flame]

How the fuck did we turn a simple game of "what character is smashable" to a "Which characters best fit BMR"

[dusty thistle]

Yag doesn't work either. I thought you were joking

[naive flame]

~~Imma go to my own forums that I forgot I did.

#1409774419567710248

See ya.~~

[junior knot]

Venn Diagram with firmly on one side and on the other with squarely outside

[junior knot]

I was

[dusty thistle]

Then why did you give a serious response to my lleech joke

[junior knot]

I Didnt

Lleech doesn't fit on SnV

but it feels like it should in a similar way Yag does on BMR

[dusty thistle]

Yeah, but it's better there than on BMR

Or TB

[junior knot]

if you think less than 5 seconds

[dusty thistle]

It actually looks more like a BMR character because execution survival

Source: waaay to many novice scriptwriters

[junior knot]

• sailor for lleech bluff

[naive flame]

.

[dusty thistle]

[9/5] Let's make a homebrew character, one word at a time! One person will start the chain with a word. Another person will respond to that message with another word. This will continue until we have a functioning character ability. Note: you are not allowed to communicate other than through this chain. Anything added is final.

[junior knot]

Invigilator (

[zenith lotus]

Dead

wait, was that supposed to be character type

[warped urchin]

Minion

[olive marsh]

“when…”

[junior knot]

The

[zenith lotus]

Demon

[lost thistle]

heart

[junior knot]

falls

[dense moat]

,nobody

[olive marsh]

that heavy is dead??

[coarse fern]

cares

Am I insane or did we already do this

[dense moat]

Yeah

That’s where we got Evil & Intimidating Horse

[junior knot]

.

[dense moat]

Invigilator (Minion): When the Demon heart falls, nobody cares.

[junior knot]

Woah, I wanna dance with somebody

[zenith lotus]

no no

Invigilator (Dead Minion): When the Demon heart falls, nobody cares.

[dense moat]

True

[junior knot]

No its: Invigilator (Dead wait that was supposed to be character type Minion): "When..." the demon heart falls ,nobody cares yeah.

[warped urchin]

I dont really see where we were supposed to go from heart

[junior knot]

I think I have a more original question.

[9/5]: Someone post a script (pdf/img/json/text list [whatever format]). The next person changes/adds/removes one character to keep it functional/legal. we continue until nothing remains from the original script.

(king/choirboy can be added as 1 swap)

ie just don't break it too much with your modifications

[supple dirge]

Fuck it we're starting with TB

[junior knot]

if someone didn't I was gonna

(also feel free to relax counts a little)

[warped urchin]

Is emphasis on legal or functional here

[junior knot]

functional

but bare minimum teensyville counts for each char type

-# numbering/replying might be helpful to keep track

[simple crystal]

1 Poisoner is too unsolvable, I think it needs some sort of price or clue as to its nature to be more balanced - I propose -> :D

you can shoot me down if wizard is too annoying, but also idt there are that many swaps that are functional, so may as well start big, right? :)

[coarse fern]

Empath —> Town Crier for when this inevitably becomes snv

[feral snow]

Does this need to be good

[junior knot]

debatable

[olive marsh]

i suspect that's a losing battle

[junior knot]

preferably so, but more just try to avoid FYSTFYG if you can

[olive marsh]

well there goes my contribution 🙄

[feral snow]

I love having more than one of my scripts being mentioned today

[junior knot]

I more just meant hunstman while avoiding damsel choirboy while avoiding king removing all outsiders/demons, yk

[olive marsh]

actually, now that you mention it

remove imp

lets see what happens

[junior knot]

...

[olive marsh]

someone else can add a demon!!!

there are a bunch of them!!

[olive marsh]

it's beautiful

[warped urchin]

Add yaggababble

[junior knot]

Fine but someone is gonna have to start taking over the pics once I go to sleep

[olive marsh]

YES

[junior knot]

(reminder fabled and travelers are characters too)

[supple dirge]

Add deus ex fiasco because this script is a mistake

[feral snow]

Can I remove Yagga and then we never touch this again

[junior knot]

unfortunately we need a demon

[ivory finch]

+imp

[junior knot]

guys we did it! we're playtesting!

[supple dirge]

Add hermit

[olive marsh]

wait we can re-add tb characters?? that’s no fun

[coarse fern]

Hmmm this could be more unhinged

[junior knot]

im just following the will of the people

[next marlin]

-saint

[warped urchin]

Hermit drunk is kinda weird with butler

[coarse fern]

Butler —> Golem would solve that problem

[warped urchin]

So true

[next marlin]

Undertaker -> Cannibal

for canni-hermit-golem

[junior knot]

I'm just now realizing i should have used windows numbering to be funnier

[warped urchin]

+boffin since I dont want anybody to be confirmed

[junior knot]

Here, someone else can take over, I'm going to sleep

[low umbra]

Lmao I love that so much

[naive flame]

[+] Kazali

[sharp violet]

anyways time for my change: -Washerwoman +Pixie

and now someone else take over

[naive flame]

Trouble Brewing 15..?

[-] Baron
[+] Godfather

Why?

• It creates a more trackable count of outsiders if there is a Imp which can potentially make it a more easy solve as from what the script looks like so far honestly, I think it's best..

Also I can't swap out Kazali, someone else swap it for me bc I think it's not good right now.

Json

[fast anchor]

You know what, I think we need to get TB back to being a mono-Demon script. But I'd like a bit more mobility to hide from what could be two Golems, an FT, and an RK...

-Imp +Plague Doctor

[lean isle]

I feel like Philosopher could be decent addition, a decent bit of droison via Boffin and another way for Golem hit :D Mayor could get iffy with deathmod skipping F3.
Mayor -> Philosopher
(also fixing sneakiest attempt to remove DeF)

[next marlin]

-def

[versed junco]

+SoI, just in case

[warped urchin]

+Mez so we can make this soi actually be impactful

[low umbra]

How does anyone run hermit/drunk/golem? Cause if they nom the first time and don’t kill someone and then try to nom again, what happens?

[fast anchor]

I'd just keep the noms going and not enforce the rule

Probably more fun that way

[fallow rapids]

I replaced Drunk with Tinker. This is to mildly support solo GF deathmod. we probably need more though

this script also has SoI but no DeF

[fast anchor]

there should be more spy bluffs

-Investigator +Dreamer

[fallow rapids]

spy isn't that interesting of grimpeeker atm

we should replace it with Widow

[dusty thistle]

I suggest we replace FT with Knight. Just to weaken towns info a little.

[grizzled marsh]

Ping me when it's CC

[olive marsh]

it has godfather and kazali already, i don’t remember cc having anything else interesting (/j) so i think we’re there

[naive flame]

Trouble Brewing 21

[-] Spy
[+] Wraith

Not a grim peeker but ykw close enough am I right 🔥

Or just swap spy to Widow is also fair enough

[fallow rapids]

wraith isn't very good here

[lost thistle]

-recluse
+occultist

[warped urchin]

Wait we can add homebrew?

[lost thistle]

nothing said we couldn’t

[warped urchin]

I guess

[lost thistle]

as we all know, recluse is a boring outsider and will clearly just get exed d1

it doesn’t even get any info.

because of this, im swapping it for the occultist, who must be mad about learning a new thing each day, but once per game actually learns something

wait actually

-SoI
+The Bomb

[versed junco]

What's next, coughing baby?

[junior knot]

As a mod, you could add an occultist react, couldn't you Vati? 👀

[next marlin]

demod any% speedrun

[tough silo]

Whats occultist??

[lean isle]

It's a homebrew character by Elluna

You might be executed unless you are mad about learning something new every day. Once per game, when you visit the Storyteller, you learn a fact.

[junior knot]

such as people die when they are killed

[dense moat]

*this is not the intent

They are supposed to earn usable info, if weaker info

[supple dirge]

I think I got all the changes

[sharp violet]

9/5 (the previous prompt was 9/4 in my timezone): Most cursed TB game?

[lost thistle]

uh i think this one’s pretty cursed

[olive marsh]

its not the most cursed ever but most cursed TB that's on my mind right now is the one where i was the FT who got 4 yesses in a row on 8 different players

[versed junco]

Shoutout to my first demon game where me and my poisoner chose the same player every night and my kills were so confusing that when I claimed Mayor everyone collectively bought that there had been a Mayor bounce and executed the Saint on final 5

[grizzled marsh]

I was the spy that accidentally swapped the name washerwoman and librarian. After i nominated the virgin & got executed, the (drunk) undertaker saw me as the librarian (i was trying to washerwoman-confirm my demon as the slayer). That day (final 4), town asks (demon) to slayer shot the mayor claim, who then got executed because town thought i was trying to confirm the drunk and therefore i won

[karmic rose]

[9/6] What's your clocktower "white whale"? This can be a character you've always wanted to scriptbuild around, a token you've always wanted to pull from the bag, etc!

[next marlin]

I KEEP TRYING TO GET FANG GU JUMPED AND THEY DON'T JUMP ME

[wicked zodiac]

the one where i, the poisoned saint, was executed d1, and in an invest ping with the poisoner who was (from my perspective) socially obviously the poisoner

[fallow rapids]

this is just my relationship with pacifist

at this rate it might be unhealthy but idc it's just my little guy

[naive flame]

Idk if counts as cursed

Was the Imp in a spy & Baron Rev pair game, I had a false saint ping on me(the Saint was in-play) and a spy ping on me aswell with the real pigs being quite literally false.

So now I was forced to Starpass n2 and got us to a rerack bc they just killed 1 of the rev pair which was the New Imp.

[olive marsh]

causing a sleep on final 3 as the snake charmer

[acoustic chasm]

I do want to be the evil twin

And to scriptbuild around it

[worldly jasper]

Storytell a lunatic game where the lunatic doesn’t it figure it out until at least final day or grim reveal

[olive marsh]

i played a game where the lunatic didn’t figure it out until after the fiddling contest between her and the actual demon

[supple dirge]

I really want to be the wizard or the wraith but haven't yet. If I was the wizard I'd probably end up wishing something awful lol

[fast anchor]

Experiencing Wraith IRL

I've always danced around it and had circumstances prevent me from doing so

[naive flame]

Another hilarious cursed game( or a hilarious one I guess)

Osk got vizier for the first time but I got alch goblin

Guess who won

always are real

Okay okay, I guess a real cursed game was a F&B game

Vizier was forced to execute their Demon sadly thus leading to a good victory and also there was honestly lack of info so town just tunneled from vibes(and they got it right??)

[karmic rose]

holy shit

[naive flame]

Damn, why is that familiar..

[olive marsh]

no idea, you weren’t there

[naive flame]

Oh easily

[pure meadow]

After the dev game I need to be the mario in longtext

[barren zenith]

Did they both pick eachother lol?

[naive flame]

I never been Legion but I have played a Legion game.

[olive marsh]

i think so

[naive flame]

-# it's in game highlightsm

[olive marsh]

i don’t remember the details

it was her first bmr 😭

[naive flame]

I remember playing Mosh Pit(LoT script I think or the official Script for LoT idk) and it reached for 5+ hours and it's only n2 or n3 and there's like 12 or 15 of us so we were like "yeahhh I think fiddler works.."

[olive marsh]

5+ hours?????

[naive flame]

Or in general somewhere in the general timestamp of 5+ Horus with many of us being alive due to DA getting so many saves 😭

[olive marsh]

how many days before calling it

did the demon not kill at night?? 😭

[naive flame]

There were so many of us

And LoT only kills like 1 people

Idk if you can find Mosh Pit anymore

But I was very sure that was a LoT script(not mono-demon but it had LoT)

I remember it being the Imp bc LoT was not yet in the Script making tool.

But yeah

[olive marsh]

even if no one is dying during the day one demon kill per night should end the game in less than 5 hours

[naive flame]

In the end We won I think by Fiddler.

[naive flame]

-# idk if it was 12p or 15p

-# I know it was somewhere in that area and the DA getting so many executions to fail 😢

I know it was Liveext

I JUST KNOW IT WAS LIVETEXT

[olive marsh]

ah that would explain some of that

but still, zombuul games take less than five hours

or… should

i’ve heard scary things from the livetexties

[naive flame]

I can't be delusional right 😢

I know it was livetext and it took so longggggggggggg + DA

[olive marsh]

no i believe you that a miserably long game happened

but that’s kinda on the st tbh

not kinda, thats very much on the st

if no one’s dying run faster days

[lost thistle]

ive always wanted to be politician

[coarse fern]

Shockingly, Golem

[sharp violet]

politician is so fun, good luck getting it

[foggy grotto]

maybe if you hadn’t pushed on my pithag vati

[fallow rapids]

"pacifist in non-botc games isn't real, it can't hurt you"
pacifist in my Blue Prince:

[signal holly]

I have tried and failed a number of times to build a good Zombuul/Vigormortis/Goblin script because the idea of undead Zombuul bluffing Goblin or vice versa is hilarious

but in practice actually framing a vigorkilled Goblin as Zombuul is so hard to make a good idea

[tardy wyvern]

every single time I pull damsel the game ends on day 1 for some reason (not because I get damsel guessed but because either we random kill the demon or the boomdandy or something)

[dusty thistle]

Ironic for my favorite role, but I've never pulled the Organ Grinder, nor have I scriptwrote around it. Such a fun character that I really want to play around with.

[supple dirge]

The moment you first say 'everyone close your eyes' to vote and hear everyone groan is so much fun

[junior knot]

Ok should there be an OG Wraith jinx?

[warm gate]

• Poppy Grower
• Engineer
• Fearmonger
• Lord of Typhon

i'm not sticking all of those on the same script, but these are the 4 characters that occupy way too much brainspace for me in terms of "I want to build a script with this at some point"

[karmic rose]

wdym engineer/lot isn't a good combo

[warm gate]

clearly nothing could go wrong

[abstract cosmos]

less of a token, but more of a token combination. Vortox with an evil twin where I die in the night to suddenly unvortox all information

[low umbra]

Literally any sort of evil in the last two months ;-; (I’ve played like 25 games in that time and been good in all of them)

Seriously though, I’ve never been able to make any script feel functional with LoT and I’ve been really trying

The character I’d love to pull in a game would be either Kazali or LoT, haven’t been either of them yet (kind of been the perma-ST for scripts with those in them)

[grizzled marsh]

[9/7] Now that the megastream is over, give a rant about something in TPI streams and/or BOTC streams in general
(Edit for clarification: nothing particular against this megastream, it's just that imo it's a good moment to talk about BOTC streams)

[fast anchor]

this fucking "paradox" guy, he's a pain in the ass

hate him <3

[fallow rapids]

mostly the fact that at the end of the day most "entertaining" streams (of Wizard, Atheist, and other associated nonsenses) are just difficult to follow and read game state

flesh and bone <3

[grizzled marsh]

Talking about this i'm gonna give two of the three i had in mind (i forgot the 3rd one): Atheist is way too blatant wizard too tbf but that's another thing and it's on the player side, and atheist/heretic on script means atheist/heretic in play because why else would you storytell an atheist/heretic script

[worldly jasper]

Wait what happened in the mega stream?

[grizzled marsh]

Nothing unusual, sorry if it implied that something did

(Edited the original message because it was misleading)

[dusty thistle]

I swear to God why are the streamers so bad at choosing good scripts? I mean really, they always have terrible interactions. And by some miracle they don't, there's always absurd chaos involving Wizard/Atheist/Heretic shenanigans.

Why can't they play something better, Pete's sake

[karmic rose]

Playing for content usually requires a somewhat different set of priorities

[sharp violet]

Concept: Subathon of constant BotC games with good scripts, STs and players rotate out as they have to leave but the stream never stops, if you donate enough money you can join for a game

[low umbra]

You lost me at the phrase ‘good scripts’ /s

[supple dirge]

Concept: marathon of bad scripts that get worse after every game, wait that's just flesh and bone

[hollow oasis]

Try a wizard wincon

[low umbra]

A viz being forced to exe their own demon feels like something went wrong in the social contract

That just… shouldn’t happen

[sharp violet]

yeah why wouldn't the vizier be allowed to not exe their own demon (even if it tells town that that's the demon and the town ends up exing them instead)

[dry sluice]

I can construct an implausible situation where the Vizier is claiming Alch-Vizier, and thinks it's better to pray the other minion is SW than to reveal themselves by saving their demon

[jovial ingot]

I still have never been the good Townsfolk Amnesiac who isn't drunk or poisoned by the widow

I once pulled it

And I went ecstatic

Then I got Kazali picked

Amnesiac is one of my favourite characters and I'm yet to actually fucking play it 😭

[low umbra]

I mean yeah. I had one game where my ability was just ‘each night, learn a player who was picked by a minion’ and the two minions were harpy and cere and it was not helpful at all (in fact it reinforced an evil bluff cause the alive cere picked the demon to be mad as their bluff and the demon framed themselves as harpy mad so lmao)

[feral snow]

Apparently it’s get a singular fucking kill as a psychopath. I have been psychopath twice. In the first one, we were playing blind and I only figured it out the day we lost. In the second one last night, I was pukka poisoned and then the alchemist psychopath immediately obliterated the Pukka instantly winning the game for good evil because it was a heretic game

[supple dirge]

9/8 - Following up yesterday's question, I don't watch that much clocktower online so for those who do, whats your favorite streamed/recorded game you've seen? (with a link if you have it)

[jovial ingot]

I have been an evil Amnesiac several times, the Outsider Amnesiac, the Drunk Amnesiac, the Widow poisoned Amnesiac, the actual Amnesiac turned Minion, etc

[naive flame]

Sadly I don't have any streamed/recorded games on me

I do have one that I remember but I honestly don't think it's my fav

It was a 15p game, I was who got golem smashed d3 so I had a total of (3) pings, which one of which was a and the other two was a Evil TF and the Minion

[grizzled marsh]

Idk if it counts, but #5-days-on-day-3
Else, it’s probably one of https://youtu.be/lyTQRPH8qhs?si=a7oKHHNL24k-dXSG or https://youtu.be/9zk8gh8VvPU?si=NZUBjWmXaMlxJTX6 (the first one being the game that made me re-discover the game, but it’s still was a very good game nonetheless)
Special mention for a TPI game where the alchemist psychopath damsel guessed the damsel then killed it but no record and i don’t remember much more

[low umbra]

There's nothing particularly special about the game, it just felt like a lot of fun and chaos when I watched it
https://youtu.be/0f2bcmvNKtE?si=xU0eHLi6qS7cLE9-

There’s probably more, but this was the most memorable of the games that aren’t entirely unhinged/memey. Theres obviously the patters games with the several fisherman and the other where the mathematician rejoice meme was (presumably) born, but tbh while they’re fun, they being centred around gimmicks honestly reduces my love of them since watching them the first time

[cyan reef]

a bit of a self-plug, but I want to share my favorite clip of all time https://www.twitch.tv/hardclaim/clip/FantasticObliquePrariedogFunRun-r3c3Yf68xzSyttPa

[karmic rose]

it might be lost to the archives, but there was an Aussie STed stream where the final game ended in 30 seconds with a slayer shot

[pseudo fulcrum]

Royal Blunder used to be my favourite, but now this patters video is my new favourite https://youtu.be/ruwg8XYDxLQ?si=48JoOjnocol4OUbI

[low umbra]

Oh lmao I remember this game. Would recommend, yeah

[dusty thistle]

I have to go with this gem of a game. Theo played it really well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBufHLtOhg8

[grizzled marsh]

Very fun one with a nice progression, it's close to the two i sent but doesn't beat it imo also amne is cheating

[topaz flare]

Hmm I can’t really speak universally for streamers but I don’t really think this is true, on either front? The fact is all custom scripts (and frankly, snv and bmr, and if you really scratch at it even tb) have some bad interactions. I think most streamers (or at least the ones I’m familiar with) have a good hit rate of picking scripts that tend to lead to fun games for players and viewers, and the game warpers (heretic/wizard/legion/atheist) are fairly appropriately rare as to both scripts played with them and being in play when they appear on scripts

[lucid crag]

i remove lady mist's y to create Lad Mist

[dense moat]

I change Bluwe’s B to G.

You are now Gluwe

[versed junco]

Full name Gluwe Gunner

[fast anchor]

https://tenor.com/view/gluegunner-btd6-glue-monkey-glue-gunner-0-5-0-gif-3371204988886084640

[acoustic chasm]

Bad scripts can be fun

And that makes them valuable

There are definitely bad scripts which are not fun at all

But also scripts which are not fully solid mechanically but are fun

[vernal tiger]

9/09 most edible character

[fast anchor]

????

[feral snow]

The Honorable Judge

[fallow rapids]

village idiot

[versed junco]

LET'S GOOOOO

[jovial ingot]

The Harpy or Xaan

[karmic slate]

[jovial ingot]

No Dashii and Lil Monsta too

[tidal quiver]

calamari

[cold veldt]

good question my goat

[jovial ingot]

Lil Monsta a bit unethical

[analog hornet]

Empath

[tidal quiver]

yeah delta knows what's up

[jovial ingot]

I locked in

Lleech is something you could eat but that's probably bad for you since parasites beget parasites

[vernal tiger]

insane

[analog hornet]

Hearts are a delicacy in some cuisines

[lost thistle]

baron, because as we all know, eat the rich

[jovial ingot]

Is Goblin something that's ethical to eat

It's a monster like Harpy

[versed junco]

What sort of character is this "goat"

[vernal tiger]

scape

[cold veldt]

[cold veldt]

@karmic slate

[jovial ingot]

I think Gnomes are too close to humans to be edible

Ethically so

[karmic slate]

im a raccoon not a scapegoat

[cold veldt]

scapegoat is canonically the most edible traveller because it can be eaten by the cannibal without outside help

[versed junco]

Ogre, I'm told it has layers

[worldly jasper]

carbonated water

[jovial ingot]

Goblin is a fuzzy one pin that one we can talk about that later

[cold veldt]

rock eat rock rock eat eat me eat rock

yummy rocks

[jovial ingot]

Ojo is just a demon eye

Probably edible

It might burn a bit

[lost thistle]

thoughts on pixie?

[jovial ingot]

I think it depends on what Pixies are in BotC

If Pixie is the teddy bear, is it a fleshy bear or a supernatural bear

[cold veldt]

live demon eye reaction

[cold veldt]

surely you can be both fleshy and supernatural?

[jovial ingot]

That's what I mean

Is it a fleshy (horror) supernatural teddy bear or is it a cotton (cute) supernatural teddy bear

[cold veldt]

oh i seeee

reference

(cause i see)

[jovial ingot]

Ogre?

[versed junco]

That's what I'm sayyying

[cold veldt]

what if you ate the butler

like the butler places down the thingy and then you eat them instead

would be a real fun prank

[versed junco]

I've seen this asdf movie video

[fallow rapids]

i'll do you one better

the bottom one is "unfortunately inedible"

[jovial ingot]

that's character icons smh

[fallow rapids]

then it would be fabled first because the ST is most edible

[jovial ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/phoenix-wright-deskslam-objection-aceattorney-no-gif-10033490

what

[lost thistle]

the empath is the least edible because empaths arent real

[coarse fern]

Snake charmer

[versed junco]

Is that the snake the charmer or both

[coarse fern]

Both

[versed junco]

Is that at the same time one after the other or one then a break then the other

[sour harness]

I'm in love with 4 separate "maybe" tiers

[jovial ingot]

it's a spectrum

[foggy grotto]

tie between the milk leader and the salsaahir

oh can’t forget the burgermeister tho

[karmic rose]

stop making me want salsa

[iron scarab]

yum moustaches

cannot believe a bomb is more edible than a heart

[dusty thistle]

Obviously it's After all, they're saying they're great food!

[coarse fern]

Yes

[versed junco]

Well played Mr Granite

Well played

[vernal tiger]

average baba is you gameplay

[versed junco]

Egads

[naive flame]

Sadge

9/10/25

Quick!, you were told that two of your favourite characters people in this server are in a railway and one has to die

Which one are you choosing 👀

[karmic rose]

Uh, I think this question might not be great?

Even within the secret thing corner where people know each other better, this is probably a bit too public/anonymous of a venue for this to not inevitably go south

omw to post this in the group chat tho

[lean isle]

Yeah, this is certainly not a good one tbh

[acoustic chasm]

Yeah...

09/10/25

What character do you think is underrated on its base script?

[fast anchor]

At least in lower-experience groups, Minstrel on BMR. I've had Minstrels in big games beg for execution because they're useless and drunk everyone when the Minstrel is honestly one of the strongest Townsfolk on the script

It can often confirm itself and can be a boon against faster-killing Demons

also you can one-shot a Zombuul on a Minstrel day

[olive marsh]

i mean

vig?

my true answer is soldier i fucking love the soldier

[acoustic chasm]

Soldier on Trouble Brewing.

If you manage to get mechanical or social trust, its annoying to get rid of... but

[olive marsh]

YES

[next marlin]

"vig doesn't work on snv" no, vig twin clock oracle doesn't, vig works more than fine

[olive marsh]

PREACH

[fast anchor]

i mean vig witch hag dreamer doesn't work either

[karmic rose]

I've heard that Seamstress is a worse Artist (true, strictly speaking), but I've never seen a new player draw Artist and effectively use their question

[fast anchor]

and that represents a decent portion of vig games i've seen

[next marlin]

worked for parker

[karmic rose]

Soldier is peak actually!!!

[acoustic chasm]

I think design wise, Washerwoman is simply a shining star on Trouble brewing.

Bluffing Washerwoman chains as good is fun and can be very effective.

It plays so well with Spy's misreg.

It encourages roleswaps and private chats.

I think Washerwoman is actually incredibly incredibly cool and fits so well

[fast anchor]

it's a shame nobody puts it on custom scripts

[karmic rose]

I actually like it a little less well on Trouble Brewing with the Poisoner, but it has environments where it's incredibly powerful

[olive marsh]

i’m glad i’m with so many likeminded individuals

[acoustic chasm]

I think Poisoner is overhated

[fast anchor]

if only someone had a script where the soldier never died and could forge social trust and stand firm in the face of poisoning demons and a po

[olive marsh]

that’s because pixie is cool and awesome

[olive marsh]

i can’t imagine anything like that (i don’t know what you’re referring to)

[acoustic chasm]

Liking something for its strength is peak yes

But Soldier poisoner is really cool actually

A Soldier that dies at night restricts worlds a lot around it on TB

[fast anchor]

#1177633776378056784 click click nudge nudge

[acoustic chasm]

It's either Drunk or poisoned

[olive marsh]

i figured but forgot what was on there

[acoustic chasm]

It has an in built droison detector

[fast anchor]

if a soldier dies in a 1 minion game it usually confirms that almost all other info that night is good

either because it's holding a drunk token or because the poisoner hit it

[acoustic chasm]

Yes starpass

But again, that starpassing soldier has to explain why it died at night

My favourite Monk play that I ever did included a ravenkeeper trustfalling into me and then me bluffing Washerwomsn who confirmed the Ravenkeeper as the Monk

This is also why 7-9 player games are peak

[karmic rose]

this isn't to say it's bad there either! I just better enjoy Soldier's play patterns outside of TB

[acoustic chasm]

Less players mean more bluffs for good team too

So you can pull stuff like that off

I do like making Midsys now but I still think full scripts bring a better 7-9p experience

[olive marsh]

my least favorite monk play also involves the monk and the ravenkeeper

[acoustic chasm]

Because you can bluff more freely

Pff

Lol

I also like as a Monk

Roleswapping w someone

Having the other player claim monk

And protect them

It's worked twice

Once with a Chef

And the other with a Slayer who i "slayer shot" d1

Both times N2 successful protections

[olive marsh]

glad to hear stories of strong independent monks doing work out there

i guess not so independent

[acoustic chasm]

Hmm but goodness I also have to mention ravenkeeper

[karmic rose]

ravenkeeper is great

[acoustic chasm]

I had a game with a bunch of people who aren't super experienced with clocktower

And one player messed up their fortune teller bluff

Saying numbers instead of yes no

Stuff like that

So that player was lying

And the game was unsolvable in my head because I assumed they were evil but I couldn't make an evil team

Then I heard they were ravenkeeeper after their execution

And it all made sense

Just for the fact it gets good players to bluff and look like evil players when they are inexperienced

That's a great showcase why TB is a great beginner script

[hollow oasis]

TRUE

It was a clock artist game too I don’t know how the fuck I won that one

[next marlin]

Clock dreamer but no artist iirc
Rest of town was juggler/savant/TC/sage/forgot the last one but they didn't do anything interesting

[olive marsh]

ravenkeeper is not underrated

no way

[fallow rapids]

.>

uhhh... it's on bmr and starts with p

that's right, it's ||po ||

[next marlin]

Pinstrel

Or maybe Pexorcist

[tough silo]

Minstrel bluff are goated too

[karmic rose]

true!

[tough silo]

Marionette dreamer seeing the acrobat as a minion (who was executed) and then deducting that the aprendice acrobat is evil is stupid fun

[naive flame]

TB -

• The first ever loud character(in some scenarios), if there is more than the base amount then it's probably an obvious Baron Game, of course there also pretty useless but still a cool character to introduce Newer beginners to am the world of "Advanced Social Deduction game of gaslighting one another"

Bad Moon Rising -

• Idk, there's just this really cool pop to the Courtier about being a high risk high reward character, get it right you can disable a demon for (3) days or a Minion that can really be bad for the good team, maybe even drunk a zombuul and prevent a devastating 5+ hours of gameplay.

Sects and Violets - /

• Even tho Im not comfortable with this character (When Storytelling), I do like it's puzzle nature whilst it still keeps it's main core of it's ability. | for the No Dashii, the factor of poisoning neighbours just has this new spark for me when I first tried SnV, it can also travel (if snakecharmed or if there's outsiders which is unaffected) and I think that's a very cool addition to the expertise of this B3 Scriptm

[tough silo]

Baron is not useless, it gives more bluffs to the evil team, they are more free for and dont have to worry too much, their job is to be evil and do whats best.

[naive flame]

Mechanically speaking, it doesn't have an ability.

Other than [+2 Outsiders]

[lean isle]

[+2 Outsiders]

[naive flame]

But I get your point.

[naive flame]

-# heh I was first

[lean isle]

It's very much a mechanical effect Baron does.

[fallow rapids]

idt Baron is really that underrated

it's one of the most powerful minions tbh

[naive flame]

Tommorow I'll prob send an opposite.

The overrated character.

[fallow rapids]

you chill and fuck shit up. it's effectively [-2 Townsfolk]

[karmic rose]

i think newer players can draw the baron and be like "ok, what do i actually do with this"

[naive flame]

To me, the most OP is a

Grim peeker, misregisters as good

The ephimany of chaos and misregisteration.

[karmic rose]

the first answer you discover is "fuck shit up, bluff virgin or investigator". the second answer you discover is "frame those outsiders as hard as possible"

[naive flame]

true

[fallow rapids]

there is great joy in being a passive character

[naive flame]

-# i don't have accessibility to the "true..." Emoji sadly.

What else is passive..

too?

[fallow rapids]

don't worry my pfp is already a barista

[naive flame]

gaming

[+ Flood]

[fallow rapids]

pacifist and fool work really well together

[naive flame]

I meant what characters are passive?

[fallow rapids]

tbh i say this about pacifist with literally all of BMR

[naive flame]

never procs = fake

-# but in reality, the pacifist has standards..rather the ST

[fallow rapids]

as an ST i proc pacifist often

[karmic rose]

Alex from this discussion I'm learning that you're cursed with bad BMR storytelling in the games you play 😭

[fallow rapids]

i'm judging you alex

in bmr the evil team literally has a quadrillion ways to kill the pacifist it's a skill issue if they don't after 3 paci exe saves

[fallow rapids]

i would paci save the fool

[jovial ingot]

i was gonna say WW damn it

i'll choose one i didnt see anyone say bc I skimmed

[sour harness]

I love assassin I love assassin I love assassin I love assassin I love assassin I love assassin I love assassin I love assassin

[jovial ingot]

i think math is the least liked SnV townsfolk but its such an exclusively "Clocktower" character

[sour harness]

Spy too, both assassin and spy can totally ruin the solve if they cook but they need to COOK

I see too many assassins spend on n2 because otherwise they risk not spending

[jovial ingot]

no other SDG can capture the absurdist nature of things going wrong in this game, and the math lets you glean into such possibilities

People look at math and think it ends at misinfo on SnV, but the Pit Hag demon changes are your first way to learn its more than that

Math catching out Demon sinks vs changes is so fun

[grizzled marsh]

Math is a good townsfolk, but i feel like math doesn't work that well on SnV

[sour harness]

No, please kill on n4 to make it look like the Po charged and the gossip was true and that the tea lady is evil

Please kill yourself on n3 along with the zombuul so you're a hard confirmed grandmother pair

Killpower is not the point of assassin, it's control

[jovial ingot]

I have a player who ALWAYS pulls Assassin on BMR right

[grizzled marsh]

Like n1 it's either ND or philo (or a vortox game) that can make the mathematician not get a 0

[spiral pollen]

I agree paci saving the fool is good

[jovial ingot]

he always kills N4 and confuses good massively

its peak

I never see him use it right away

[spiral pollen]

Probably not if the fool is pukka poisoned though

Definitely contextual

[grizzled marsh]

I once was the mathematician with a 0 the night with two kills, i never seen a math 0 0 0 be that useful

[sour harness]

Fool paci is contextual but I'll almost never paci save an unspent fool

If they're spent yeah sure

[jovial ingot]

if both were pit hag kills it should be a 1 there

[grizzled marsh]

The demon's target did die that night

So it was a valid 0

[jovial ingot]

math 0 0 0 is typically very strong world building wise

knowing all other info is true or the 0 must be wrong is stupid powerful

[grizzled marsh]

It's strong, but you also feel like you aren't doing much

[jovial ingot]

you are

believe in yourself...

[karmic rose]

Assassin is a misinfo minion 🗣️

[fallow rapids]

canicao's pacifist:
if beneficial to the Good team, executed good players do not die, unless evil is absolutely cooked without fault

Fool is a terrible science character. it likely wasn't made to be a science character -- the Fool gains nearly nothing from science, due to DA being a possibility. furthermore, it just allows the Demon to kill the Fool later on if they claim so. in the unlikely event that a Fool is willing to do Science on themselves, i would not use the Pacifist ability to save them, as they clearly wish to be doing bad play. but, if they are nominated and on the block for reasons unrelated to their play, imo it is Absolutely Garbo to make them a blank character for the rest of the game, and as an ST i at least aim for my players to have fun first and foremost. having a nothing-pacifist and a nothing-fool in my game makes this BMR experience utterly dogwater, and i really dislike that
what the Fool is good at, is stopping a Demon or GF kill on a high-death script. this makes Fool the Townsfolk it should be, and i always see my players glad that as the Fool they impacted the game and stopped a death. yknow, what they're meant to do anyway

[karmic rose]

yeah I always play fool as "another body evil has to kill through"

and then I get framed in f3

[fallow rapids]

this is literally what fool is

the jesters should NOT being filtering methanol or synthesising peroxide

that is literally NOT their job

[karmic rose]

the fool gets a bit of info should they die the first time they're executed or should they die early game, but that's a secondary ability

god I'm thinking about it and the assassin is so peak on BMR

[fallow rapids]

BMR is unironically peak

there might be some additional changes to make it better (personally i think resurrection can go) but even then the Prof isn't really a sin

[sour harness]

I think resurrection is a little clashing with the rest of the script concept but only a little

Also prof is fine on BMR I will die on this hill

[fallow rapids]

yeah prof is fine

[tough silo]

Profesor is fine, its the same as virgin on tb

[sour harness]

If your group isn't joking about "prof never procs" just as much as "empaths aren't real" then you need to learn how to bagbuild

[tough silo]

Any tutorial on bagbuilding?

[sour harness]

Professor is checked primarily by execution survival, as well as pukka & shab getting twice the chance to snipe it by n2

If a prof isn't able to pop n2, it's suddenly a lot weaker because shab can fully bluff it. This is good

Of course there are games where it'll still pop n2 and that's perfectly fine, but it shouldn't feel like a guarantee

[tough silo]

Professor i think is the only character who could possibly be aware of a Mastermind day i think

[sour harness]

Also never skip on a paci save with the intention of them being prof rezzed. That's the wrong balance point for both characters

(if there's another reason to not paci save then sure go for it)

[karmic rose]

I don't bagbuild prof/grandma without a pacifist in there too

[fallow rapids]

people do this?

[tough silo]

BMR wonky wonky

[fallow rapids]

can someone pass me an axe i have plans tomorrow day

[sour harness]

Paci, TL, minstrel, sailor, da, pukka, shab are all great counters to prof

[sour harness]

People do a lot of things

[karmic rose]

I've seen newer STs do it

[fallow rapids]

can't relate fell in love with paci instantly

[tough silo]

I Never storytold BMR thanks for the meta advice!

[fallow rapids]

for BMR you get a sense of bagbuilding pretty fast i think

[sour harness]

Meh, depends on the person

[fallow rapids]

i don't remember my first bmr bag tbh but it went pretty smoothly iirc

[tough silo]

My conception of BMR is that "final 6" is something that could happen

[fallow rapids]

BMR has "death!" roles and "no death!" roles and you play a balancing act

[tough silo]

And that 6 players could wake up dead

[fallow rapids]

honestly if 6 players wake up dead that's too many Death! roles

[tough silo]

Okey so its a balance i get it now

[analog hornet]

No I don't think so

[karmic rose]

(6 players waking up dead could also be a skill issue from the gossip and gambler, though that's more niche)

[jovial ingot]

bag building on BMR is tricky to pick up but easy to do once you get the nuances

the main thing I see that I believe is 100% bad STing in the context of BMR bag building is bag shuffling

elsewhere it might be fine even if I think its a poor choice to not curate a bag

but BMR in particular requires a good bag to be consistently fun

a good ST can make meh bags fun and a great ST can make even the bad ones atleast a bit entertaining

but most STs struggle to run BMR to begin with so

the main STing sin of BMR though is day pacing being bad

[foggy grotto]

Soldier on TB, it is more than just a bait role

it is pivotal to the function of TB

[acoustic chasm]

It is!

[jovial ingot]

who else would be executed the second the monk saves someone?

[acoustic chasm]

I'm thinking about other scripts

[olive marsh]

i love how at least 4 people have said this

because we’re all correct

[acoustic chasm]

I think on SnV the most underrated character is barber

It gives another reason for character change outside of pithag and that also helps cere

It's a great vigor minion bluff