secret thing

[supple dirge]

[8/14] Steven Medway has asked you to write a new and improved flavor text line for your favorite character(s), what is it?

[fallow rapids]

Pacifist's quote is a bad translation

"Mißtraut allen denen, die viel von ihrer Gerechtigkeit reden!" translates to "Distrust all those who talk a lot about their righteousness!" which is much funnier than "Distrust all in whom the impulse to punish is powerful."

[lost thistle]

adding an extra dot to the assassin

[junior knot]

Empath: guys I’m sober I promise

[lost thistle]

Goblin: Mind goblin deez nuts

[sharp violet]

Mathematician: a very complex mathematical formula that solves to 0, followed by “therefore everything was as it should be last night.”

[olive marsh]

Rejoice!

[junior knot]

Philosopher: Behold a man

[dusty thistle]

Monkey see, monkey do. Monkey don't see, monkey do anyway.

[abstract cosmos]

My client pleads oopsie daisies

[dense moat]

Logically, witches would need to maintain a secure base. But they can’t stay in a tent: nowhere to hide. And the bell sounds fifteen paces from the town square, away from the red home. So naturally, our loud friend here is not a witch… but hey, that’s just a theory.

I am about to launch an all out attack on your homes…. once I’m done with my fifth nap

[hollow oasis]

We are Anonymous. We are Legion.

[dense moat]

Look boss, ya got me fightin a lot a guys here. Got a nasty scar from dat captain guy last night. Could ya give me a break? Nope? Fine…

Well, that’s such a negative way to say it. I prefer the term “spiritual community”. Also don’t touch the basement

[versed junco]

When you get to my level, you don't uncover the truth. You make it, little by little.

[junior knot]

https://tenor.com/view/cant-handle-the-truth-gif-7916035

[dusty thistle]

One of us tells the truth, the other always lies. You may ask one question, before your demise.

[junior knot]

https://tenor.com/view/lowtiergod-low-tier-god-we-are-farmers-gif-1782664897280873028

[torpid mist]

And then Charlie told Amanda that he didn't think Clarence would do such a thing, which I'm sure you understand, didn't you and Clarence have that thing, you know, back when Tom and Stella were still together, which, we all know how that ended, tragic really, but who didn't see it coming, honestly, and then Johanna-

[dusty thistle]

You can trust me as you trust yourself. After all, we can trust ourselves, right?

[olive marsh]

it’s just a prank bro!

[lost thistle]

If two guys were on the moon and one threw a rock would that be fucked up or what

[fast anchor]

some-BODY once told me the WOR—

[junior knot]

Insert layers scene

[olive marsh]

up yours, mechanical solvers

it could be YOU, it could be ME, it could even be--

[junior knot]

I know you know that I’m not telling the truth. I know you know they just don’t have any proof

[olive marsh]

try me! wait no i didn't mea-

[lucid crag]

"It's a lot easier to push people off a boat."

[lucid crag]

: bum ba dum dum bum bum bum

[dusty thistle]

I'm the butler. Everyone loves me.

[grizzled marsh]

[8/15] Share two stories: one happened to you in a BOTC game and one is a story you just made up, and let people guess at which one is true

[fallow rapids]

my group kept gossiping "you will not kill someone with my gossip ability" because they're awful nerds, so i just kept sinking the gossip kill on fools until they realised

my group keeps asking me artist questions baked with XORs because they're awful nerds, which is annoying because it's solved the game like twice already

[low umbra]

I would guess that the second is true (at least based on what I would do as an ST). I think that doing the first delves into the 'foresight is not mechanically provable information' discussion

[fallow rapids]

answer: ||my group is too nerdy to make the first mistake. they gossiped that I wouldn't attack someone with their ability instead until they stopped finding it funny||

||mechanically speaking unknowable gossips do not kill anyone anyway||

[fast anchor]

I was co-STing knaves with a friend, and Ojo was on the script. the Demon killed the Sage and everyone instantly built him as evil in an Ojo world because "axolator wouldn't bounce a kill onto the sage!" even though evil was absolutely stomping, it was n5, and I absolutely would have put an Ojo miss onto the sage there because it's knaves and everyone thought I was the truthteller when I was spouting nonsense

I was co-STing a different knaves script with a different friend, and a very new player pulled the Imp token (as they often do). However, despite not talking to any of his Minions or giving him any bluffs he slid by on a Steward bluff all the way to win the game as the Minions tanked executions. I don't quite remember what final 3 was but town mostly had the truth/lie stuff figured out; they just tunneled on the wrong player because he read good 😭 he never played botc again with us

[fallow rapids]

presumably the second one is false because what kind of very new player is playing a steward script

[versed junco]

the second's too sad so I hope the first is true

so
||Someone's dog managed to reveal their character to half the town||
or
||I accidentally created a Kingmaker situation, i.e one player chose who won with no chance for anyone else to stop them||

[low umbra]

The first is very funny, the second is more likely (intentional alignment flipping a la mez or poli)

[fast anchor]

the first one is true?

for mine: ||the first one is true, though that new player did end up playing knaves and never return||

[sour harness]

SnV, the pithag made a good Vortox (no deaths) and then coordinated with me the No Dashii to make and kill a barber that same night. To avoid 2 evil Demons, the ST let the good demon choose the swap... And they swapped the Pit-Hag with the snake charmer, both of which were alive. Chaos ensues (good won with 3 demons in play)

BMR, I pull moonchild. The Tea Lady's neighbor died by execution on day 1 then got revived that same night. We executed the other side of the tea lady claim, who also died. I wanted to test the tea lady's alignment, and moonchild hexing their new neighbor would do that. So I nominated myself with that intent, and then was told they were the grandchild. I panicked a little, we didn't have the time to lift, and fortunately I got pacifist saved....... and then the evil team won because it was a mastermind day

[grizzled marsh]

||Barber can't swap another demon so i don't get the ST choice for the barber swap on the 1st story, so i'd bet on the 2nd story being true||

[junior knot]

|| they didn’t swap another demon; but what sells it as false is the no deaths and then barber death in the same night ||

[sour harness]

||who says the ST was thinking of that at the time?||
The answer is ||you're still correct lol, bmr was real||

[pliant grail]

Playing as a wraith (in person), I decided to terrorize a specific player. When they woke up to get their fortune teller info, I straight up started gesturing to two random people they should pick. The thing is, town was convinced there was no wraith in play - they'd gotten a widow ping and myself and the widow were bluffing as Baron's extra outsiders. It took until after the FT was executed for them to execute me, at which point they had one execution left and had spent not much time pursuing leads from the savant and ft over the last multiple days bc the ft was making such a ruckus. We won that cleanly

Playing bmr, I'm the devil's advocate. I choose, (I don't remember the order) myself bluffing fool, my godfather bluffing sailor, the tea lady's neighbor (the other neighbor was my zombuul), and the goon. They are executed in the same order. Every execution that game was the person I had chosen the previous night, resulting in only one death via execution the entire game, being the goon

[unkempt tangle]

I'm hoping it's the first one cuz that sounds awesome

But I never see people bluff double Outsiders for Baron so probably the second one

[tardy wyvern]

Final 4 of Me the Vig, my minion the Cerenovus, the Philo sage and some other good player idk. My Cere is bluffing Barber so I kill them in the night, they make the dreamer cere mad as my claim and I claim to have been swapped with them. We win with me “confirmed” in final 3

13 player TB game, I receive a chef 3 on day 1 and nominate a virgin and get executed. I tunnel hard on the Recluse neighbors, one of whom is reading super evil to me and claiming FT that has basically solved the game. I practically beg town to put them on the block on like day 4, and then some random player claims Slayer and instantly shoots the demon. Turns out the line was just a natural chef 3 on the opposite side of the grim as the Recluse and the FT actually had the solve

[tardy wyvern]

||You sound a little peeved by the first story so I’m assuming it’s real|| ||just checked your message, I guess I was wrong lol||

[wicked zodiac]

||TB one is real||

[tardy wyvern]

answer: ||yeah the TB one is real. the first half of the first story did actually happen, but what I did instead was kill the other good player that wasn’t the philo sage and stupidly bluff that I got barber swapped anyway, even though the barber wasn’t dead and we lost||

[next marlin]

||FLOWCHART LOSS||

[tardy wyvern]

||god dammit there’s no True emoji on this server||

[unkempt tangle]

What's that

[karmic rose]

1. On day 1, the Alch-wizard publicly wishes for a good player to become a "reverse virgin" -- if an evil player nominates them, the evil player is immediately executed. We announce that one of the townsfolk has traveled in as the Harlot, at which point the Boomdandy immediately nominates them (and evil wins).

2. Yagababble is introduced to the group. By some freak accident, one good player lucks upon the yag phrase and says it a dozen times day 1. Town bans anyone at all from that phrase.

[next marlin]

||is #2 the "Legion game" incident you've talked about?||

[karmic rose]

||yeah lmao||

||but #1 is based on a real alch-wizard wish made with boomdandy on script||

||I don't have that many/any good stories that I haven't already brought up somehow||

[olive marsh]

||PH made ND, no deaths that night, next night PH made barber and demon killed it

its fake but that’s the sequence hystrex described||

[sour harness]

||yeah there's no mechanical errors, just a questionable ST decision||

[sharp violet]

1. TB game, I'm the Virgin and I coordinate with the Investigator to nominate me, but they aren't executed (I was poisoned) so everyone believes their Spy pings are actually good. The evil team then sets up the Slayer as a frame, but the Monk buys enough time for the Slayer to figure out that the Spy was the one starpassed to and shoots them.

2. BMR game, I'm the DA and I alternate between protecting a different good player and myself each night, I bluff Sailor and advocate for my science when I'm protected, half the town believes I'm DA, the other half believes I'm the Sailor and discounts the Gossip's gossips. However, they're all aggroed on the Tea Lady and their neighbors, which only intensifies after a lift on me leads to the Tea Lady being saved by me, leaving the Po protected and free to charge when everyone thought it was a Zombuul game.

[lucid crag]

I once golem punched a cerenovus that cere locked me

I exorcised a shabaloth before and after it revived me

[sharp violet]

1st

[grizzled marsh]

I was the good twin made mad n1 as my actual role, and got executed by town

I was claiming librarian who saw my demon as the slayer, and won the game

[grizzled marsh]

(No questions for today?)

[sour harness]

8/16: what's each character's theme song?

Not like their favorite song, their theme song and leitmotif

Optionally this could also be their walk-on song like in baseball or whatever. The song that plays whenever you walk into the room

[junior knot]

Concerning Hobbits

BBC's Merlin theme song

Imperial March

/ Devil Went down to Georgia

[hollow oasis]

Now’s your chance to

[junior knot]

Raise Your Glass

[sour harness]

As in now's your chance to be a?

Or is it not deltarune lol

[hollow oasis]

I don’t play deltarune

[sour harness]

Fix that

[versed junco]

deja vu is a wondrous thing

[junior knot]

As time goes on hystrex gets less and less polite

[versed junco]

must have been replaced by an evil twin

shame

[dense moat]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4-HQMP84TQ

[sour harness]

Don't execute me 😇

I'm clara I promise, I would never be sara

[dense moat]

The Usurper, Grasping For Power (Bug Fables OST)

One of the Zacian/Zamazenta themse from Sword & Shield

Black Knife :)

[junior knot]

Diggy Diggy Hole

[versed junco]

Right Behind You from TF2

[versed junco]

I Can't Decide

[feral snow]

Calamari Inkantation from Splatoon

[olive marsh]

i was actually just talking about this at irl clock today because theres a trilogy of songs i’ve become obsessed with that just coincidentally get more and more clocktowery as the trilogy progresses

the first song has “devils advocate” as the beginning of each chorus and is about the devil, the second is called “the lighthouse” and involves an isolated community tearing itself apart and the third is about a demon who becomes part of the town in a literal molecular sense and describes making the town “mad” and poisoning them

[sour harness]

This is just the alternate universe where botc is an album instead of a game

[tardy wyvern]

But in minor key

[junior knot]

Hedwig's Theme

[olive marsh]

the hermit in the second song would have the saint, goon and heretic abilities btw and i will not elaborate unless someone asks because i would be happy to elaborate but also this probably isn’t the place

[feral snow]

Dell idk how to tell you this

[fallow rapids]

isn't it already in D# minor

[feral snow]

C#min iirc I’ll double check though

You’re right

[tardy wyvern]

Explodes

[fallow rapids]

10... 9... 8...

[feral snow]

Tick tick boom

[junior knot]

TTYLXOX

Talk dirty to me

[dusty thistle]

[8/17] What's an objectively very stupid play you've made that somehow wound up paying off?

[fast anchor]

Claimed Librarian seeing Lunatic to all of my chats. The Scarlet Woman outed.

[fallow rapids]

on... TB?

[fast anchor]

On Uncertain Death (a script with all those characters)

[lost thistle]

double claimed twins as the demon

[versed junco]

Was bluffing math numbers and one of the nights didn't make sense. When questioned, I pointed to the lunatic-math jinx as the answer, really hoping no one would notice this didn't line up because it was a Pukka game. No one did

[dusty thistle]

Please tell us how you got away with that.

[lost thistle]

somehow the actual good twin got executed instead

also it was an emoji only game so i think that helped

[lost thistle]

also somehow the actual good player i was fake claiming twins with did not understand that i was claiming they were a twin at first

[dusty thistle]

I'll go. I starpassed into an Investigator ping on the first night of kills. Somehow we managed to get the other half of the ping executed in final 4.

It probably helped that my Spy and I were really trusted, me being the first death and my Spy being the first execution

Into a virgin

[valid garden]

I've shared before my objectively stupid out-damsel-to-the-other-side-of-an-empath-1

[valid garden]

(Heretic)

[tardy wyvern]

Not me, but in a TB game, the WW confirmed Ravenkeeper was claiming Monk and double claiming me, the Imp also claiming Monk, and got me executed on day 2

[fast anchor]

I've had something similar happen

The Poisoner was WW-confirming me (the scarlet) as the RK, and the FT died n2 and claimed to see Imp on my Poisoner

they got me fucking killed!!!

[olive marsh]

i’ve never made a stupid play in my life actually and if i did it worked out perfectly

[fast anchor]

voting on the tea lady in final 3 because you didn't like her personally

[olive marsh]

i really like her personally actually but in that game she was super frustrating and it was 2 am and i couldn’t build coherent worlds except “she’s acting exactly like she did the last time she rolled me as evil”

[supple dirge]

One of my first games of bmr I bluffed innkeeper and made a genuine mistake saying I woke up first night and got caught out on that. I was the DA that protected myself that day, they kill me, I survived, next day I protected the demon at final 3 for an early win.

[feral snow]

Hard claimed damsel to everyone (yes piglix I know this sucks, so I also claimed huntsman)

Chosen by huntsman night 2

Easiest game ever

[acoustic chasm]

I don't remember me doing anything utterly dumb and it working out

[hollow oasis]

Went to the magician, bluffed goblin.

Went to town, claimed wizard and if there was ever a day people slept, I would choose someone to become evil.

Got nominated that day, claimed goblin, ya know

Things

Second day people slept.

“The game is over, the Evil team has won(I was the Vortox)”

Fuckin love wizard

[olive marsh]

thats awesome

[hollow oasis]

Fuck wizard announcements we have public wizard claims

[pseudo fulcrum]

that's actually such a fun way to get around wishes that would normally need an announcement

honestly if I ST a Wizard game where I think a wish needs a public announcement, I would just say the price/clue is that they have to wish it publicly

[hollow oasis]

What I didn’t mention is the fact that I went around gaslighting town “you’ll be the one”

This one Nightwatchman player really got the brunt of it

[grizzled marsh]

Going back at #1104980997470171177 message, messing up washerwoman and librarian in my head, i was the spy that claimed librarian (. . . . . Wait i said washerwoman, right?) to the drunk undertaker and the ST only heard me claiming librarian so the ST gave librarian to the undertaker when i died after nominating the virgin in final 6, that somehow never claimed or got nominated yet (it was d3).
The next day, it got outed, town somehow thought that i was the spy trying to confirm the drunk instead of being the spy trying to confirm my demon, and executed the mayor claim that i never whispered but town thought i did the same day (so in final 4).

[sharp violet]

Protecting arbitrary good players as the DA. The Tea Lady ended up protected on D5 and was one of the 2 frames we were working on - but I didn’t fully comprehend they were “the frame” until I got lifted onto them, buying plenty of time for the Po to charge when everyone thought it was Zombuul

[fast anchor]

Protecting arbitrary goodies as the D/A is good strategy wdym

[cyan reef]

I think it takes players a shockingly long time to come to this realization

well, maybe not shocking since it's not the most intuitive

[flat lintel]

throws shade AND wastes two executions

[cyan reef]

yeah, like, at a certain point in BMR, someone is being saved from execution only by DA

[low umbra]

Asked my demon to starpass n2 and point an evil ping at the other minion (the whole reasoning was cause the evil team was in a row and we were scared of chef 2). Ended up coasting the entire game and winning, it was a great demonstration of how a coordinated evil team can just crush

[fallow rapids]

unfortunately as Forever ST i don't have very many, but one time i was and on the first day town was suspicious that the person on the block was the boomdandy, i made a terrible pun about bombs, and they lifted to me and evil won

[lucid crag]

I claimed saint to the slayer as imp in tb (they only claimed slayer after I claimed saint)

and then told them my scarlet woman and baron were in a ft yes that didn't exist

also saint wasn't a bluff it was a double claim

slayer shot the scarlet woman, I was exed a day later, and then the baron somehow got a mayor win with them and scarlet woman in final 3

[fast anchor]

18/8 - Inverse of the last question. What's an objectively pretty good play you've made that nonetheless backfired spectacularly onto you?

[karmic rose]

gardened whalebucket. poppy grower game, but the poppy grower just died and I had confirmed a game plan with my demon, the Lleech who had survived a double-tap to win some tempo. The Savant was trusting me and their info pointed to the location of the Damsel to one of two players, so I took the guess.

|| -
- sitting next to a ||

[fast anchor]

omfg and ||vortox/poppy meant you learned the lunatic as the demon||

||thats cruel||

[karmic rose]

||this makes the story less funny, but I did actually get the damsel 50/50 wrong. outing evil sunk us anyways tho||

[fallow rapids]

so i'm canni, it's in the name

i push on and execute an investigator for food

i learn a "no"

it's riot

no one believes me

[karmic rose]

WOW

[fallow rapids]

i get nominated and die

we lose later

the reason this one stings is that i am the Forever ST and the ST this game was meta'd to not know what to do in this situation

the issue is I've given this ST a invest 0 in a spy game before

so it's actually my own medicine. lmfao

[foggy grotto]

D1 TB, I was slayer and a guy was just pissing me off on a personal level so I wasted my slayer shot by shooting him as soon as chats ended. He was the demon and the game promptly ended 😁

[lost thistle]

old riot or new riot?

[minor pier]

Definitely old riot, otherwise Invest couldn't have gotten a no.

[unkempt tangle]

wouldn't the original invest also have gotten a no then?

[minor pier]

Ah ; well it wasn't specified if they did. If old Riot, they should too yeah. If new Riot, they could have had a ping, but then this assumes the invest was executed D2 exactly and the ST decided to turn Minions to Riot before giving the new ping.

[grizzled marsh]

"Execute" so it can’t be old riot

[minor pier]

Ah, true. Yet another reason why new Riot is so much better than old Riot, I had totally forgotten what a mess the old one made.

[fast anchor]

I was imagining Riot/Spy in a small game

[lucid crag]

Assumed my demon village idiot ability that duplicates and drunks 1 tf would do something in lizards to the triple heretics it made, but it didn't because all 3 were immune to being drunked

there wasn't a reason their text just said they were

[dusty thistle]

BMR, I was the Gambler. We had narrowed a minion down between two players, and we executed one. The other was bluffing Minstrel, so I gambled them as the Gambler and died. We executed them. And then we lost because of a multi-kill night the next night.

If I'd been alive, we would've had a little more time to win

ONE more execution

[tardy wyvern]

You gambled them as the gambler or the minstrel?

[dusty thistle]

As the Gambler

Proving it was not a Minstrel night

Therefore, they are a minion

[karmic rose]

[8/19]: what's the worst bag-building blunder you've made?

[dusty thistle]

I put the drunk in the bag once!

[warped urchin]

The first thing that comes to mind was the time I put artist philo and professor all in the same bag

[dusty thistle]

Oof. How long did it take for good to win?

[karmic rose]

I've put the drunk and marionette in the bag before, with the marionette I can at least just mouth "oh sorry" and show them a different minion

[fast anchor]

I guest-Storytold on the Etreides stream and made the most fucked bag ever for team evil - BH, Poppy Grower, and a Xaan 3 in a LM game

[warped urchin]

Good won on day 2

[fast anchor]

This was before I really formalized how to bagbuild Night-Vision Goggles in my head but that was a really quick game

[karmic rose]

I've also messed up by slapping both an ogre and fang gu in the bag for flesh and bone

2 outsiders with the ogre immediately choosing the vizier

[grizzled marsh]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/685489724202549278/1403031196807594124/image.png?ex=68a53b60&is=68a3e9e0&hm=246c8a2f437facd3f582a8934abf771efd77f774f85f6731327c3be7a9ef39b9&
Making the washerwoman see the monk (and placing the red herring on the mayor instead of one of them)
Worst one out of 4 bags i’ve ever made, so yeah not as great as others

[valid garden]

I'd tell you, but it's hombrew [We don't talk about the 'Umbrella' Incident]

IYKYK

[tardy wyvern]

Not strictly bag building, but probably the time that I had like 5 confirmed good players in a 12 p game due to grandmother shenanigans

This one wasn’t me, but the worst one I’ve seen might be the time there was a tea lady protected lycan in a game with a ravenkeeper and pixie ravenkeeper

[fallow rapids]

clockmaker

[tardy wyvern]

the golden gallows

[fallow rapids]

hey hey hey you built that bag with me

[tardy wyvern]

i never said it wasn’t a valid answer for myself as well

[fallow rapids]

tbf mez in +1 gf outsider might be a bad idea in hindsight

[pliant grail]

That time I put a newer player (like 2 games of tb) into a game of trust. To make it easier, I gave them a revolutionary pair... With the politician sitting next to them.

[grizzled marsh]

Did they both win or both lose?

[pliant grail]

Now see that gets into storytelling mistakes I made with the mez in the bag but that's a different question

(I was not a good st in any form that game)

[warm gate]

BMR: it's a Zombuul game and the only protection role I put into the bag was a Tea Lady... who immediately got executed

[tardy wyvern]

Evil won this game because the ND poisoned ravenkeeper confirmed the ND poisoned dreamer who got correct info on all good players and the whole evil team was outed

[unkempt tangle]

Elaborate how

[next marlin]

Putting an evil trav in a 13p fang gu gf+1 game wasn't really my most "in-depth consideration of the effect on voting" game

(d2 town lifted off the witch bluffing puzzledrunk golem onto the juggler doing a witch check)

[tidal quiver]

bluffing puzzledrunk golem is fire

[fast anchor]

an evil trav in a fang gu game in general is a little weird

[karmic rose]

evil bone collector in fang gu ‼️

[spiral pollen]

yeah maybe starting but on snv a pit-hag can make a fang gu so its hard

makes evil travellers quite an impactful choice

[unkempt tangle]

I put sober empath in the bag. /j

If you want srs, My first b3 game, snv, 7p, I decided pit hag fang gu would be a fun idea. ||Is that a bluder?||

[karmic rose]

it's definitely strong!

[olive marsh]

not a bagbuilding mistake but i made the mistake of running longtext whalebuffet for a group that really likes savant

[unkempt tangle]

Sob

[tidal quiver]

but you could totally make the funniest savant statements then

[junior knot]

Hope someone goes vortox so you can describe funny plays that characters not in the bag have done

[tidal quiver]

that's exactly my thought

"it is possible for the lycanthrope faux paw to move" or "the boffin has granted the demon an outsider ability" are really funny statements that get even better when the lycan/boffin aren't in play

[unkempt tangle]

Make most of em drunk

[olive marsh]

i think my favorite was when i gave the whaledrunk savant (there were 2 total) the statement "stop overthinking it, [player] is holding the baby / you are not the savant" on the final day

[karmic rose]

whaledrunk is such a fun term

[olive marsh]

i think i stole it from axo

[tacit fiber]

3 tf Catfishing on 9 that vati keeps reminding me abt /silly

it was SC Savant and Philo which I thought would be fine

[karmic rose]

did the philo go Savant

[tacit fiber]

philo went SC

[karmic rose]

LMAO

[junior knot]

One of my first ever TB bags was:

So you know, an interesting amount of misinformation

(I think I may have included drunk in the bluffs but that's a whole separate discussion question and I don't remember for certain)

[fleet hedge]

it's not a terrible bag tbh

that Virgin probably won't be proccing

[junior knot]

Well it’s tb

It can’t be awful

[fleet hedge]

SW is a great safety which this info suite could potentially struggle against

[junior knot]

But no misinformation was an experience watching town still only 5050

[fleet hedge]

empath placement will determine a lot but it could be fairly balanced

[dusty thistle]

[8/20] What is your favorite jinx? What is your least favorite jinx?

[fleet hedge]

Alch/Boffin is a contender for least favourite

completely unnecessary nerf to an ability that isn't great already

Don't love Marionette/Wraith either, would like to see that one removed

[lean isle]

Not a fan of Al-Had / Princess due to it being clarifying jinx for interaction that I don't think even was unclear, but who knows, maybe it seemed necessary in testing.

[unkempt tangle]

I like Boffin Drunk in some scenarios, but it seems unnecessary

[lean isle]

Al-Had / MM is pretty fun way to make it work.

[low umbra]

Boffin drunk was actually a reason why I didn’t put Boffin on one of my scripts: I wanted the outsider count to only be modified by the baron, and the boffin changes that in a way I didn’t like

[fallow rapids]

i find heretic's "only 1 jinxed character can be in play" way too weird

[warped urchin]

I agree

It should be illegal to put them on a script together

[grizzled marsh]

Al-had MM or Widow spy for the best
Heretic godfather might be the worst at it feels like this is the easiest hate jinx to remove

[low umbra]

My favourite jinx is probably snitch/mario. It isn’t realistically super helpful, but it gives the demon a lot of options and starting knowledge about the game

I don’t really have a specific least favourite, since I don’t really think too much about the more jarring interactions

[pseudo fulcrum]

the Princess jinxes are funny because the only reason people hate them is because it ruined their speculation theories

other than that they're fine

[low umbra]

That question has made me realise that a lot of my favourite interactions that feel unintuitive and fun or interesting aren’t cause of jinxes and more because there’s a lot of interesting and fun character interactions that I don’t immediately think of

[fallow rapids]

"good luck building a bag"

actually how does the heretic-learner jinxes even work with hatter

p sure they just don't, not like you'd ever do that script design in good faith

[dusty thistle]

Okay, let's assume 12 players. I'll put a Spy, Baron, and Godfather in the Bag. The jinx means the Baron can, and in this case will, only add one. I'll do a Godfather -1 as well. That puts us down to two outsiders, which will be Hermit and Plague Doctor. I'll have Hermit remove itself, add two more townsfolk, and watch the evil team yell at me for nullifying their Baron's ability.

[fallow rapids]

puzzle solved! well done

[dusty thistle]

I think a self-removing Hermit is practically the only way to build the bag legally.

Or a GF-1

[fallow rapids]

yeah the only way to legally build this bag and be guaranteed to stay legal is to have only 1 outsider, being the Plague Doctor

you can have either a widow or a spy, either is fine

and the Plague Doctor cannot add a Baron because of the jinx too so the storyteller is limited to "+1 kill on outsider execution in a bag with GF", "another minion gets grimoire", "another minion gets grimoire and poisons someone"

[warped urchin]

Pretty sure if a minion tells you they wanna do into a minion which is hate jinxed with heretic and there's a heretic in play you tell them they aren't allowed to

Which, kinda defeats the point lmao

[fallow rapids]

hatter best outsider for good...

[fallow rapids]

i just realised you could also throw fang gu in here and be guaranteed that it won't be in play

[feral snow]

Favorite is Spy/Widow and Damsel. Such a clever solution because it still keeps the damsel nervous. Least favourite is Cerenovus goblin by far

Dishonourable mention to Vortox banshee for a weird rules precedent, al-had princess for doing nothing, and almost every magician jinx (except spidow that one goes so hard)

[low umbra]

Yeah spidow/magician is a really fun way to make them work really well together

[fallow rapids]

i've always thought it weird why spidow-damsel is so good but spidow-heretic has a bad solution

[feral snow]

How would you fix spidow heretic

Because I feel like you just don’t

The poison wouldn’t work

[fallow rapids]

even if dead? ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[feral snow]

It’s already even if dead

The problem is that the Heretic doesn’t really know if its ability even works until they can guarantee there’s no Spy

Idk it’s not the worst jinx but I’m definitely hesitant

[fallow rapids]

i'd just be happy for a heretic-hereticlearner jinx that isn't just "no"

[unkempt tangle]

The possibility of the heretic not having the ability sounds miserable

[sour harness]

I do feel that it's necessary, good players learning out of play characters is stronger than you expect and not in a fun way

Constricting the bluffspace like that either

1. Does nothing
2. Makes a demon bluff unusable
3. Makes something that isn't a demon bluff unusable as a bluff, which means minions really do have nothing to grab onto when bluffing

[unkempt tangle]

Alch Boffin is good

[supple dirge]

Pit hag damsel I think is my favorite, it's a lot of fun someone suddenly becoming the damsel

I like the plague doctor jinxes with baron and marionette, they're ridiculous and funny.

[warm gate]

I don't know if it's necessarily my "favorite" but I do like the Poppy Grower - Lil' Monsta jinx quite a bit
On the other hand, I don't really like the Magician - Lil' Monsta jinx very much

[fleet hedge]

the same happens with Godfather and that's unjinxed

yes alch Godfather isn't a good combo

but like why haven't they jinxed it

[sour harness]

They should

[tidal quiver]

I think magician-lil monsta jinx is cool and works really well on exactly one (hypothetical) script, and I think it's enjoyable but not really what jinxes are or should be used for

It doesn't fix their interaction at all, it just makes magician a new character

[grizzled marsh]

Imo spy/damsel is still slightly less interesting than widow/damsel so i placed it before

[tardy wyvern]

widow heretic is fun because they know the person claiming widow ping is lying but they can’t say why

[grizzled marsh]

The demon has no way to know if it's a boffin or an alch-boffin. In one case claiming to be the HP allows the demon to bluff HP perfectly, in the other case the demon lost the game by gaining the ability

And tbf the best way to do alch-boffin is to give the demon the butler/damsel/etc's ability

[karmic rose]

yeah, there are some abilities where alch-boffin and boffin might overlap

[tidal quiver]

grandmother is really cool for this reason

A real boffin can show a bait role, an alch boffin can protect a valuable tf

[grizzled marsh]

(There's always something annoying when people react with 👆 when you said two different things 😭)

[next marlin]

Relatively normal but still contentious answer: Spidow/Damsel
Spicy answer: LM/Magician
(Both to favourite)

[karmic rose]

cere/goblin is down near the bottom for me, I'm realizing

[sour harness]

Same

[minor pier]

Least favorite : Alch-Widow (the recent "guess them to get the Demon to kill them"). With new Alch allowing re-picks prompts, the previous "don't see the grim" was plenty enough to temper the interaction, and had solid TF utility.

[fast anchor]

Fav: hard, maybe PD/Boomdandy because that's insanely funny
Least: the new Alch/grimpeeker jinxes, I just don't like them and don't really see the vision. Maybe LM/Magician too because I always forget to run it 😭

[next marlin]

solution: run 1 million games of Cotard's Solution so the jinx establishes itself in your mind

[karmic rose]

favorite: mayor/leviathan if you're stupid

[tidal quiver]

it's tough to say a favorite jinx because some of them are important but not like my favorite (like who would hate or love the butler/OG jinx) but I quite like the new alch-mastermind jinx

[fast anchor]

what if I run 1 million games of Now You Don't instead

to get the jinx out of my head

[cedar sky]

Big fan of Levi/mayor. It's just so fun

Well, imo, as someone who hasn't played with it

I feel like it makes mayor a more important role

[junior knot]

Doesn’t it not even have to be in the bag?

[cedar sky]

My least favorite is probably one of the alch ones.

[junior knot]

And make Levi games trivial

[cedar sky]

Oh wait really

Oh fuck

uhhh

nvm that kinda sucks

[cedar sky]

Not really?

[junior knot]

If this is true

[warped urchin]

Even if this is technically true raw by the way the jinx is worded theres literally no scenario where anyone does this

[cedar sky]

No we're good

[olive marsh]

based on the exact wording of the jinx yeah but any reasonable st will rule it as "if the mayor is in play"

(and sober/healthy)

[cedar sky]

OH WAIT NO MAYOR DOESN'T HAVE TO BE IN THE BAG HOLY SHIT

THAT'S AWFUL

[simple crystal]

the jinx is obviously intended to be only if mayor is in play, I don't think any ST ever would rule it otherwise (I assume this jinx in particular is supposed to overwrite the mayor's ability rather than add an additional rule, but not all jinxes do that so it is kinda weird)

[supple dirge]

A real townsfolk has an ability when its not in the bag

[olive marsh]

it doesnt need to overwrite it, it can just be an additional thing

it doesnt need to overwrite it because the mayor keeping the og ability isnt an issue its just not relevant

[simple crystal]

yea fair

it's moreso that there's the occasional jinx that is implied to have an impact when the character isn't in the bag, which makes jinxes like this ambiguous unless you interpret it as changing/adding on to the relevant ability

[olive marsh]

yeah

you really need to analyze jinxes by figuring out what problem they're trying to solve and how because just reading the words on the wiki doesnt actually help all the time

[simple crystal]

yeah that's a good way of putting it

[junior knot]

https://tenor.com/view/tolarian-community-college-kyle-hill-magic-the-gathering-i-hate-your-deck-reading-the-card-gif-22381436

[olive marsh]

oh hi prof

[junior knot]

\j

[unkempt tangle]

does atheist townsfolk have an affect while not on script

what happens if the storyteller is executed with no atheist on script

[warped urchin]

The evil team wins I suppose

[simple crystal]

Generally you don't let the ST be nominated on a non atheist script

[junior knot]

Not a valid nomination

[olive marsh]

^

[unkempt tangle]

but that will be a huge giveaway for when you Deus ex Fiasco an atheist into the bag in a non-atheist script /j

[olive marsh]

good

[coarse fern]

I don’t love the alch ones

[sour harness]

I don't love alch

[low umbra]

Just don’t do that lol

[unkempt tangle]

Hence the /j

[fast anchor]

[21/8] You know what, I'm lazy and we haven't had one of these questions in a while.

Not counting scripts you wrote yourself, what's a custom script you personally like?

[dusty thistle]

Miss Register. Nope, no diplomacy here. Why would you ask?

(in a seriousness, it's a really good script.)

[cold veldt]

Not counting scripts you wrote yourself

DAMMIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[cold veldt]

anyways TPOT is the most goated script of all time
https://www.botcscripts.com/script/7519/2.3.0

[sharp violet]

Clockwork Cyborg

[karmic rose]

I am extremely normal about Harold Holt's Revenge

[versed junco]

||tell me one of yours, and I'll put it in, they'll never see it coming🤫 ||

[hollow oasis]

CC,Harold Holt

[dusty thistle]

RtC also deserves an honorable mention.

And Extension Cord is obviously very good

[jovial ingot]

i struggle to pick but Legion is one of my favourite Demons so I tend to love Legion scripts

Dusk in the House of the Damned would be mine

[fast anchor]

I need to play Dusk one of these days

I was going to at F3C but ended up dropping

[lost thistle]

big barrel ravenswood drift

[tacit fiber]

CLOCKWORK CYBORG YEAHHH

[topaz flare]

Dusk in the house of the damned easily.

[karmic rose]

there are so many scripts in here ive been wanting to play ><

[spiral pollen]

TB

[low umbra]

I mean, RtC is probably my favourite of the ones that I’ve actually played

I love playing and running my own customs so haven’t had much opportunity to play many others lol

[spiral pollen]

What's rtc

[karmic rose]

Ride the cyclone

[grizzled marsh]

I need to play Dusk in the house of the damned (DHD?) someday as it looks very fun but HHR

[tardy wyvern]

ROIDE THE CYCLONER!!!!!!

[wicked zodiac]

i wasnt the st, but i drew my token, and before looking at it, i opened my mouth to joke "haha guys i got the drunk token"

then i looked at my token and it was the drunk token

[olive marsh]

word around town is probably my favorite custom that i’ve played

TPOT is a script that i keep looking at longingly over the fence, yearning to play but lacking a group that can play it

[junior knot]

damn, no one's gonna say midnight oasis?

[valid garden]

China shop

[tacit fiber]

I do love TMO and would say that if my lord and savior CC didn't exist

[acoustic chasm]

Ride the Cyclone

[dense moat]

Flight of the Bumbling Idiots is fun

[grizzled marsh]

(And why is DHD never played in longtext btw?)

[olive marsh]

text legion

also text wizard

[grizzled marsh]

What's so bad about text legion?

[olive marsh]

theres a pretty good discussion around #text-game-general message

[next marlin]

Legion can work in longtext given the right ST and group, but some pitfalls it's faced in the past are:

1. Inherent format factors in longtext means players who aren't 'doing much' (e.g. passive roles, early nightkills) can disengage from the game over its length. In a Legion game, this describes most of the players. Passivity in Legion games is a noticeable problem in shortform -- Steven and Edd's guide discusses the issue of many games playing out as "a group of passive Legion players saying their character and then fading into the background". Longform can accentuate this.
2. It's difficult for Legion to coordinate perfectly, which overall is more than balanced out by their dominance in worldbuilding, but in longform it's easier for good players to spot "this never works together" cracks. This can be mitigated by factors like evil letters.
3. Longtext voting makes it somewhat easier to votefail, which isn't a scenario everyone likes playing with over those timescales.

[olive marsh]

good text legion games are possible, but bad text legion games are REALLY bad

[next marlin]

In practice the people I know who are furthest into the intersection of "likes longtext" and "likes legion" still like longtext legion but it's a harder sell to people who are iffy on one or both of those

[olive marsh]

yeah i like legion and i like longtext (though i've moved away from it a bit this year) but i have no interest in playing with them together anymore

[karmic rose]

wdym I love being the first nightkill in an outed legion game and then going "yeah I'm the seamstress" for 2 weeks

[next marlin]

Going to ST-kill you n2 as the seam in an LM game of Roundabout with a Drunk-Chef 5

[karmic rose]

do it I dare you

tbh I wouldn't even mind it much, I mostly play longtext to vibe

[grizzled marsh]

Then why are NWC game still ran considering that the bomb is a big part of this script?

[next marlin]

Some people like Comintern a bit more because it can't votefail, also decently many people just don't consider any of the issues longtext legion-and-equivalents can face that severe (people who do are definitionally overrepresented in "how do we fix longtext legion")

NWC is also an incredibly weird script that plays hard into evil info disruption, multiclaim potential, etc

[dry sluice]

Catfishing is the custom that I come back to again and again. Everything else I've tried so far looks cool but has some issue that turns me off.

[next marlin]

honestly yeah Catfishing might actually be my answer to Axo's question

junk food snv

[signal holly]

imo the big advantage text Comintern has over text Legion is that bad text Comintern games get to end

[grizzled marsh]

Fair

[spiral pollen]

yeah when legion are on the backfoot it just drags out hard

its quite unfortunate

[signal holly]

the worst part of text legion games is outed legion mid-to-late-games where there are three good players and two legion who can convincingly claim to be good and seven obvious legion who just have to sit there and watch for another four or five IRL days

that is hell

[spiral pollen]

lol yeah I can imagine

I hate that when its a 1 hour game

[signal holly]

at least when Comintern does that they just get to lose and move on which makes the fail state significantly less awful

[valid garden]

At that point the ST kills down to 3 in the night, no?

If it's outed legion

[signal holly]

depends how outed

[valid garden]

True

[main axle]

Legion players need to argue against other and provide contradicting worldviews more often.

[spiral pollen]

if a vote fails I do think you should just do that in most cases

but yeah

[signal holly]

the true hell games are the ones where most good players are like 90% sure it’s legion and they’re going to vote like it’s legion but actually confirming legion by killing four people at night takes legion’s odds from bad to very bad so the ST isn’t willing to do it

[grizzled marsh]

Well seems like there's two problems with legion, one being that people don't play it correctly in text

And the other that it can easily end up unfun anyway

[signal holly]

I mean… the issue is that there are two different ways to play legion “correctly”, both of which are at odds with each other and both of which have aspects that text makes worse

legion trying to sell non-legion is way harder in longtext because good has infinite time to find the cracks in their story, which basically always exist when you try to coordinate 6-10 people

individual legion trying to sell good-in-legion avoids that problem because you don’t need your story to line up with anyone else’s, but completely screws over any members of legion who are trying to sell non-legion and is particularly likely to end up in hell games where half the players are effectively outed dead legion who still need to pretend to care about what’s happening

Comintern addresses both of those by forcing Comintern to agree on which path they’re taking and letting them lose quickly when they lose

As a text legion hater and someone who somehow managed to storytell a very successful text Comintern game… I personally have still never played a text Comintern game I actually enjoyed, but they are enough less miserable that I’m still willing to play NWC and just hope for a different demon

[cyan reef]

I have a soft spot for Catfishing, when I was starting out it was the custom script...I'm not completely sure that it completely holds up as much as I'd like now that we have access to more characters and numerous script authors have gotten really good at getting at least one good script out there

[dusty thistle]

Catfishing is a good script, but it is really the nostalgia script. We have had ones that (in my opinion at least) outclass it since, but it is still a nice decent script to return to.

[cyan reef]

yeah, I would love to know what it could become if Emily decided to try to update it, or if someone else tried to make something similar

Pixie for example feels so at home on that kind of script

[fleet hedge]

Godfather drunk can be fixed 🙂

Cat2fishing when

[next marlin]

I think part of what gives Catfishing such a strong identity is that it lacks post-LuF roles, including a lot of roles that are 'easy' to script around

[junior knot]

why should it

That makes gambler less bluffable

[fleet hedge]

Drunk is cheating on Baron

[junior knot]

Their relationship is open

obviously

have you seen them?

Fang Gu Drunk slightly less tolerable

[fast anchor]

this, even if Catfishing did get updated I'm still going to be running the original version

I tend to run a lot of scripts at versions where I feel they execute a specific vision best, or resonate with a particular vibe most strongly - this means Outed Evil pre-Wizard, Star Pass All Stars pre-Hatter, Bait and Switch pre-Harpy... even if a new catfishing might theoretically be "better" it wouldn't evoke the same feeling

[cyan reef]

this is basically why I stopped considering updating Extension Cord, it got to be both in an incredibly stable spot, and got well known enough, that I just figure it doesn't make sense anymore

technically I have a small personal update that does nothing but update the SAO

[grizzled marsh]

Someone has the image for catfishing?

[junior knot]

https://bloodontheclocktower.com/custom-scripts/catfishing

[grizzled marsh]

Ty

[lost thistle]

yeah thats canadian catfishing

[naive flame]

#1289874269156675597

The Boffin is such an unexplored character and I love how this script can prioritize it's wreckingness to Town but can also be helpful of a solve.

and also because of the fact I was damsel guessed to a Mario savant after faking slayer and shooting demon.

If it didnt Say Not the scripts you wrote yourself I would have said literally BCWYS bc its my madness scriptm

[junior knot]

Quadjank is obviously my favorite

but for full scripts, I'd say China Shop I think takes it

maybe

[jovial ingot]

100% going to take TPOT being mentioned here twice, tying itself with Dusk, as a huge compliment that will boost my ego to unbearable levels

[tidal quiver]

I guess I gotta calm delta's ego down by mentioning star's edge

[olive marsh]

i think you've earned an ego boost its fire

[jovial ingot]

unfortunately i love that script so i can never be beaten down

the ego has already become sulf sustaining

[tidal quiver]

I meant complimenting star's edge but that works too

[zenith lotus]

is there some famous script of the past that you made as a new script builder

[tidal quiver]

glad to hear that you've connected two power strips together for infinite enegy

[jovial ingot]

oh when i saw "calm down" i thought you meant like "humble" 😭

[tidal quiver]

I was going for sarcasm that didn't land at all dw

[jovial ingot]

i actually made trouble brewing

crazy stuff

[tidal quiver]

eh I have some pretty glaring issues

[zenith lotus]

never heard of it

can you post it

[tidal quiver]

like spy + poisoner is crazy, the best player is poisoned absolutely every time

and also the spy is just good all game and then becomes the demon? How is that balanced

might want to make a v2 of that one because I don't see how evil doesn't win every time

[jovial ingot]

yeah true maybe it should be widow

maybe adding legion will help too

[olive marsh]

whats with the recluse? that character only works on scripts where a good player waking up for demon info doesnt just win the game for good immediately

[tidal quiver]

yeah swap recluse for hermit >:)

[jovial ingot]

the trick is to register them as the Demon to keep the game going

and if the recluse dies make the scarlet woman into the imp

the fun never ends

[olive marsh]

ahhhhhh yeah that helps

i see the vision now

[zenith lotus]

hear me out
imp spy SW
spy doesnt show up in minion info
you can only execute one of them
the other starpasses to the spy

boom, no instawin

[jovial ingot]

star's edge is in that development phase TPOT was in for 2 months where I'm thinking about the core concept and trying to see how to best bring it to life

the seed was Hermit-Drunk-Atheist then the core became Hermit-Drunk-Atheist-Boom-Plague Doctor

ultimately bc of how much i love Atheist recently, I want this to be a script I can actually recommend

once i'm done with that Lleech & Legion script that doesn't rely on exe survival will become real

I also want to make a Riot or Levi script at some point but I need a good Riot/Levi interaction to get excited about

[olive marsh]

make levijank 2

[jovial ingot]

real

although i did just have an idea to build a levi script around

[tough silo]

Alquemist organ grinder, the psicological battle of a minion against the alquesmist is very good. And the fact that if they are a minion they can bluff they are actually alquemist organ grinder is very good.

My least favorite is alquemist mastermind because its a nothing burger.

At least some of the alquemist stuff is fun because they can make the game imagine if they trully were like that character.

Imagine if instead it read: if less that 5 players live and only 1 good player is alive, good wins. Just imagine a reverse mastermind

[junior knot]

[8/22]: What's the worst set of bluffs you've given as ST? OR What's the worst bluff you've made as a player? (on either team)

[warped urchin]

Can I say what's the worst bluffs the st has given me?

[junior knot]

Sure totally

[tardy wyvern]

Probably the time I got drunk as a bluff (???)

Or the time I was as the poisoner bluffing monk and then my demon instantly killed the proc’d virgin on night 2

[junior knot]

Oh that reminds me of a BOTC dream I had where I was STing and for some reason had given all three bluffs as outsiders in a Baron game

I don't know if it was TB, but Drunk was definitely on there

[tardy wyvern]

I mean that’s not even possible lol

On TB

It’s possible in Dream TB though

[junior knot]

b0 it technically is

[tardy wyvern]

3 outsider bluffs in a baron game?

[junior knot]

two not in play outsiders and drunk token

[warped urchin]

One time the st gave me gossip gambler and grandmother (I was the pukka and my minion was the mastermind)

[tardy wyvern]

Drunk is in play

[junior knot]

look don't cite me on dream logic

[tardy wyvern]

No I believe it happened in a dream lol

[junior knot]

I am also like 45% certain it had anthropomorphized people from here in it as players?

although that may have been a different botc dream

Damn, that should've been the question lol

[tardy wyvern]

Ferb I know what we’re gonna do tomorrow

[dusty thistle]

I have a fun story here. This was a Miss Register game, and I drew the Goblin. I immediately went gremlin, informing my neighbor I was the Po and they were my Marionette. A player is executed and my demon gets a kill. The next day, the dead player claims RK who saw me as the Po. I then gleefully claim Goblin on the block. Yeah... they were not the RK and were baiting the reaction.

Hence, my love/hate relationship with Goblin and Miss Register

And the worst performance I've ever had as evil

[fallow rapids]

the worst bluff set i have ever given was probably Amnesiac Amnesiac Amnesiac with the Amnesiac in play

(don't worry there was a snitch)

[coarse fern]

Imp, Baron, spy

The ST figured giving in play evil characters was more useful so they just did that

[junior knot]

i guess with a spy...

[lost thistle]

IN PLAY????

[junior knot]

that can be maybe alright

but no that's definitely on the far side of awful

[lost thistle]

me telling the imp that the imp is out of play

[junior knot]

(they're the lunatic)

[coarse fern]

They said it would help the evil team find each other

[junior knot]

with a SPY?!?!

[coarse fern]

Since they didn’t do minion info or demon info (aside from “bluffs”)

[coarse fern]

Yes

[junior knot]

that's not botc lol

no idea what to call it? werewolf+?

but its not botc

[coarse fern]

Yeah it was really funny

They didn’t ST again for a while

[junior knot]

no doubt

[lost thistle]

im

how did the game go

[coarse fern]

Baron added 3 outsiders so we fiddled

What else

Yeah that was kinda it

It ended day 2 when a player mentioned there shouldn’t be 4 outsiders in a base 1 game

[barren zenith]

Clockwork Cyborg!!

(Also China Shop is rly cool)

[grizzled marsh]

I was the philosopher on a teensy where snake charmer was a role, d2 i outed to be the imp that became the philosopher that night to make my DC change claim. They immediatly claimed to be the snake-charmer, and i got executed that day because my claim didn't work (i said the truth very late into the day). That DC was actually the demon and got away with it

[lost thistle]

what the fuck

[junior knot]

Also how would anyone other than the spy know all 4were in play

[lost thistle]

did somebody fucking draw the drunk token

😭

[junior knot]

It's TB. One of thems a drunk

[lost thistle]

could be lib seeing drunk

but it wouldnt surprise me if the drunk token was just. in the bag

[hearty aspen]

Regarding Drunk as a bluff, I love giving it in 1-minion games of TB, I think it's super powerful to know all the outsiders are probably going to be face up and it goes a long way towards bluffing a Baron world

[karmic rose]

yeah, there are a few roles where getting 'em as a bluff is useful as just a way to gauge the gamestate

[junior knot]

[8/23]: Tell us about any BOTC dreams you have had. (REM version not ambition version)

[feral snow]

Uh there was a Mario kart style race except we were on foot. It was the final lap and I was in second and Jack Black(????) was in first. He was holding a piece of paper but I can’t remember what he wrote on it. I couldn’t let him win because he might have been the Marionette(????) so he wouldn’t have been on my team. I ended up winning, with Jack Black in second. <X> came third. <Y> was in charge of it and <X> asked how Damsel guessing worked(???). <Y> decided that the evil team can Damsel guess after the race was done (like Avalon Assassin style). I remember being pissed about that.

Anyways, it turned out that the two “evil”(???) players were <X> and my girlfriend(?????). <X> to my knowledge never ended up guessing, so I proceeded to apparently spend all night trying to trick my girlfriend into Damsel guessing me. She guessed me after like 12 hours as she fell asleep so we won and then I forcefully woke up.

[hollow oasis]

tf

[junior knot]

os

mi

de

[feral snow]

Right before bed that night I watched a Mario kart video and made a homebrew character (and I hung out with my girlfriend) so I think those heavily influenced my dream

That’s my first and only Clocktower dream

[junior knot]

you need to make more homebrew characters before bed then

clearly

[hollow oasis]

I don't dream about clocktower

thank god

[feral snow]

Yeah I really should. That technique always makes the worst ideas

[sharp violet]

Who was the damsel?

Was it Jack Black?

[feral snow]

We never found out

I just know it wasn’t me

[wicked zodiac]

ive had so so so many

uhhh

in this one i was in like a creepy house with my sister and i turned to her and i was like "this house is creepy we gotta get out of here" and she was like "its ok, im the mez, if we meet anybody scary ill just mez turn them"

i was unconvinced

[fast anchor]

I made a script while taking a nap once

I remember thinking I had solved Dashii-Xaan as a scriptbuilding interaction and that I had done a great thing

also I was using the script tool on a piece of paper don't ask how

i recreated it to the best of my knowledge (which is basically all of it)

[dense moat]

Less so about the game than a player, but I had a dream that someone I know (BakedIce) was creating some sort of weird Demon ccreatures and I think threw me out a helicopter

But the real queen of dream logic is someone else's

D.F.B.S.D. (Minion) - [Between games, you change which script of The Tomb, Midnight in the House of the Damned, and Garden of Sin you're on.]
The D.F.B.S.D rotates.

this was from a dream

and yes, the aronym makes no sense whatsoever

[coarse fern]

I was the golem and I killed my demon

Then I got kicked out of my playgroup

[dense moat]

Pebbles, we were asking for dreams

[coarse fern]

Oh

Sorry I thought the prompt meant dreams as in your hopes and dreams

[dense moat]

https://tenor.com/view/undertale-asriel-dreemurr-tobyfox-flowey-frisk-gif-7429666

[low umbra]

I pretty much don’t dream but I have spent time at like 3am doing delirious things related to Clocktower. I’ve made absolutely awful scripts and homebrew characters, having vivid imagery of how they would play out. Was definitely a vibe and only one time has it actually yielded an actually good idea

[flat lintel]

i dont have botc dreams, but when i played text, i would just like daydream a bunch of random world possibilities while im like on a walk

sometimes i would start talking worlds aloud

[olive marsh]

big vouch for just walking around for a bit and parsing out worlds mentally

it’s a vibe

[flat lintel]

it is

hugely recommend going at a park or like a nature center if you're in a big town/city or if not, like the woods for it though

its nice to reconnect with nature, get your steps in AND solve a botc game

[lucid crag]

good scapegoat and apprentice pacifist in a zombuul game, triggered neither because the demon outed to both of them, evil won because town believed both travelers were evil

well technically I was a co st

also there were other reasons they couldn't trigger such as lunatic then minions getting executed

overall great nightmare game

we would of triggered paci on the scapegoat too

if it had the chance before it was exiled

(there was a balanced reason for that I'm sure maybe)

(like just thinking back to it I don't know how that could possibly be balanced but trust)

[grizzled marsh]

The closest thing i have to BOTC dreams is thinking about recent and ongoing text games in bed and about potential script making, so nothing really crazy here

[versed junco]

I specifically remember the phrase "impractical ideas"

[dusty thistle]

Haven't had any. Only dream I ever have is a weird one involving moths.

And like, a lot of light.

[fallow rapids]

I claim Mothman and grab beitou by the shoulders and fly into the sun

[dusty thistle]

I don't think anyone is getting the joke

Oh well.

[naive flame]

I was played in a 11 player BOTC game against my own OCS(crazy I know), It was me and 10 of my ocs, i got Po then was hagged into the Vortox and then hagged again into the Legion weirdly enough and won bc and the St just kept FUCKING me over and yeah

Idk what the fuck happened but it was a fever dream.

[fallow rapids]

i can only vaguely remember a dream where i was an Investigator seeing a Legion token

nevertheless i think that one was a nightmare

[low umbra]

Lmao what

[fallow rapids]

this is wonderful i would make a catapult

[sour harness]

Last night I had a dream that I made Clockwork Cyborg but bad (it had a fearmonger) and then axolator added the Drunk except it's a Minion and then Vati said it was an okay script

[dusty thistle]

So CC with a Fearmonger and a Marionette?

[fast anchor]

no it was an evil drunk

(source: was in the dream)

[sour harness]

^^^

There was a red Drunk token

It was not marionette

[tardy wyvern]

Another one courtesy of one of my friends

[dusty thistle]

Ah yes, a final 5 with a minion and 3 demons. A final 5

Actually, I just realized I have had a dream about clocktower. I think it was a TB game, but like it was actually happening. I was actually in Ravenswood bluff. Somehow through the course of that game I was the Baron, Imp, Saint, and Fortune Teller.

[dusty thistle]

And I probably had one that I don't remember. I do remember waking up and realizing what changes needed to be made to my Leviathan script.

[fast anchor]

insane callback

[lost thistle]

it came to me in a dream

[olive marsh]

fucked up

[abstract cosmos]

god i still dont know where this came from

[tacit fiber]

played an FyF off sever longtext

where I kinda had a panic dream on night of f5

where I dreamer that a grim reveal happened then disproved it off the info we had

like 5 times

[next marlin]

Just woke up from a dream where I was the vigor in vigor cere godfather and was working out how to get the outsider executed on f5

[sharp violet]

Mutant mad as mutant?

[next marlin]

There was definitely "bait them into a madness break" as part of it

[karmic rose]

ive had at least one botc dream but idr what

[fallow rapids]

most of my botc dreams is script building

[cold veldt]

speculation and spoilers warning but i will forever be grateful to my carbon-monoxide-infused brain for coming up with something this wonderful in my sleep
#speculation-and-spoilers message

[foggy grotto]

i would love to, unfortunately i forget 99% of my dreams minutes after waking up

[pseudo fulcrum]

this prompt has made me make a list of every clocktower dream I've ever had

there are 7 and they're all unreleased related

Spoiler tags on unreleased characters

Dream 1: TPI released a character that was: Townsfolk: Each day, choose 3 players: you learn a statement relating to each of them, only one of which is true.

Dream 2: Steven came to my house and gave me a bunch of pictures of GoS including some grim screenshots, the script images were too blurry to make anything out but I remember seeing some sort of vegetable demon on the grim screenshots.

Dream 3: Steven sent me some clues to characters on GoS some of which i solved (the only thing i remember is that it confirmed that ||Tycoon|| was on GoS).

Dream 4: I discovered the internal script tool with every unreleased character but my memory of it was too blurry to remember any of the characters or abilities.

Dream 5: Went on a tour of TPI headquarters (in London for some reason). I saw loads of stuff but all I remember is that there was a Fabled with a tree icon and that ||Tipi-Tipi|| still exists as a demon and has a Mad reminder token.

Dream 6: Played a game with green characters, they were a 3rd party aligned with chaos with a max of 2 per game. All players knew who was green, but not which character they were. All the green abilities were “Each night*, choose a player: they die.” + some downside.

Dream 7: TPI released a Carousel reveal video where they showed off every new character in The Carousel and had ||Mole|| as a surprise reveal. All I can remember is that the ability contained “Once per game, choose 2 pairs of players” and a new keyword. Whatever the ability was was so great that it made dream me think “Wow, they managed to fix ||Mole||.”

[lost thistle]

still thinking about the minion that registers as good but only to the village idiot

[supple dirge]

I dreamed up this homebrew townsfolk once

I've had a few other dreams of going to play a game and arriving late, TPI rewriting the base 3 almanacs, playing clocktower to decide an election, playing a variant of TB at a con where all the characters had tweaks made to them just for that con.

[low umbra]

I literally had a dream last night about it…
I was a minion who outed evil and saying that I was the demon and didn’t have a marionette in a 13-15 player game (there were 3 minions, including a marionette, I don’t remember the actual player count)

I then got starpassed to and cause nobody believed me about being the demon when I outed evil, I just got left alone the whole rest of the game and the other minion made it to f3 and they were executed

Was the strangest game ever and I doubt I’ll ever replicate it irl

[grizzled marsh]

[8/24] Give a way to quickly know if a player you’re playing with for the first time is experienced (doesn’t need to be 100% reliable or to apply on any script)

[simple crystal]

in my experience it's often the people pushing for a d1 execution, whereas newer players are far more likely to want to skip. Obviously not universal, but jumping from a primarily experienced group to a primarily inexperienced group and back, the difference was pretty noticeable

[fleet hedge]

they don't give me a 3

[karmic rose]

they don't assume minions need to talk to their demons for bluffs

[sour harness]

If it's a custom, and they have something to say about it, they prob know what they're doing

Or even b3 tbh

Having reasonably strong opinions about things is I guess what I'm getting at

[versed junco]

They claim Goblin when it's not on script

[viscid citrus]

whether they vote at noms

[junior knot]

How they treat information and assumptions of sobriety

[ivory ridge]

what if they say "i think this script is the perfect environment to bluff invest" and it's catfishing

[sour harness]

They're experienced, just in the negative direction

[fleet hedge]

see one of the only times I played Catfishing the demon won off an insanely trusted Invest bluff

[low umbra]

If they’re lying or backing into a different while reading good. Honestly such a big thing of just being comfortable with lying while good

[fallow rapids]

i love lying

i'm doing it right now on my bed

[low umbra]

Lying is fun. I just had an in-person session and I was good in every game (again) and never lied (other than a role swap) which feels so wrong in hindsight

[fast anchor]

asking "are you experienced?"

or variations

[ivory ridge]

that's what she said hehe

(sorry)

[naive flame]

Understandbly assume virgin proc is spy, librarian pings is "drunk" especially if the ping they got is drunk, knowing what's droisoned and what's just "oh your drunk" and so on

[karmic rose]

more broadly: they seem like they have a game plan from convo 1

[fleet hedge]

oh also, not lying excessively as good for no reason

[acoustic chasm]

There is usually a reason

[tardy wyvern]

not when I do it

[dusty thistle]

[8/25] Give your least favorite character a backhanded compliment.

[sour harness]

"you have setup text that I would never expect to work on a Townsfolk"

[dense moat]

“Y’know, you’re really good at not winning every day of this game”

[dense moat]

Huntsman?

[dusty thistle]

I was thinking BH

[zenith lotus]

i thought bounty hunter

[dusty thistle]

But that also works

[dusty thistle]

I'm guessing Poppygrower?

[dry sluice]

"You're perfect for when I just wanna relax and watch a game of Clocktower."

[warm gate]

"You certainly... live up to your name"

[sour harness]

Nope try again

[sour harness]

Ya

[dusty thistle]

"You're not a very damaging outsider."

[warm gate]

[olive marsh]

"you make voting a bit spicier in the early game"

||mario, fearmonger, organ grinder, take your pick||

[warm gate]

||i love how we all assumed good characters when we were guessing||

[wicked zodiac]

yeah uhh i think we have the same character lol

"you create several unique social situations"

[dusty thistle]

I actually have two least favorites, so "You're a very good scriptwriting fallback."

[wicked zodiac]

(||||)

[zenith lotus]

im very curious why you dont like xaan

[dusty thistle]

It's a super Baron that poisons

[olive marsh]

i've got another one:
"you've allowed for so many unique ways of repeating the same exact arguments about scriptwriting"

[dusty thistle]

Waaay to strong in base 0

[hollow oasis]

Don’t add +2

[olive marsh]

HP is a good guess but those arguments arent about scriptwriting

[hollow oasis]

Legion?

[warm gate]

ah dang it

[dusty thistle]

?

[olive marsh]

ding ding ding

[hollow oasis]

What?

Wait

What?

[dusty thistle]

Lleech+BMR is good I swear

[zenith lotus]

yea that makes sense

[hollow oasis]

Ok

I’ve got 3

[zenith lotus]

poisoner

[hollow oasis]

No actually

That’s 4-5th

“You’re the cop we never deserved”

[dusty thistle]

Easy

[hollow oasis]

“Heretics should hurt you, but they heal you!”

“You’ve made me love thy neighbor”

No I have an abusive relationship with cult leader

Ask wizkid

[dusty thistle]

I'm pretty sure one is engineer, but I can't tell which.

[hollow oasis]

No

None of them are engineer

(Although one of them is me calling it a thrall)

[dusty thistle]

Ok, so one is Vizier

[zenith lotus]

❓

[hollow oasis]

No

[tacit fiber]

hmm

[dusty thistle]

🤦‍♂️

How did I not think of that one

[tacit fiber]

"You allow me to do what I love more"

[hollow oasis]

Philo?

[tacit fiber]

no

[zenith lotus]

well its req, so surely its

[tacit fiber]

yes

I do love arguing

[hollow oasis]

LOL oh

Anyway

[zenith lotus]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh damsel?

[hollow oasis]

I love damsel

What

[zenith lotus]

i cant find anything that fits that description 😭

oh klutz?

[dusty thistle]

Politician? Idk

[hollow oasis]

Fearmonger

I’m calling fearmonger a thrall

Anyway

Bad hint

[dusty thistle]

Oh

[fallow rapids]

"the day i run you in my group as you were intended is the day i've been replaced by an alien"

[olive marsh]

i don’t think that’s a backhanded compliment i think that’s just a diss

[feral snow]

“I love that after TPI made you they never tried that design space again”

|| ||

[fallow rapids]

hey aliens are cool

[grizzled marsh]

"At least you don’t know from the moment you pull your token that you’re not gonna have a fun game"

[karmic rose]

you have the best excuse to show everyone a photo of your dog every day

[next vault]

"You would rather make us lose than be bitchless. So helpful."

[ivory ridge]

“I love that you have inspired so many people to share their opinions on you”

[karmic rose]

||cult leader||

[naive flame]

"sometimes I love it when your around, only if I am the ST and I love breaking people sanity."

[junior knot]

Why did i read this with the cadence from kat Stratford 's sonnet at the end of 10 things i hate about you lol

[naive flame]

LOL

[grizzled marsh]

[08/25 26] Give your least favorite character a backhanded compliment.

[olive marsh]

oh that’s fun

[next marlin]

same as this but it's "being a contrarian" rather than arguing generally

[junior knot]

The redundancy on your token makes what you do abundantly clear.

[olive marsh]

cere?

[junior knot]

harpy?

[olive marsh]

this is really hard because i love so many characters

[junior knot]

oh, not flowchart?

[olive marsh]

“you take up so much more space when scriptwriting than one might originally assume”

[junior knot]

god that could be so many

typhon?

"You know, I never thought it would be possible for a character to have no problematic interactions. It must be so calming being that bland"

[next marlin]

vigor

[junior knot]

contrarian by killing your minions?

or socially

[next marlin]

contrarian as in "no it's not a bad demon I swear"

[junior knot]

well all demons are bad

its kinda the job description

[coarse fern]

No there are lunatics and pit hags to mess it up

[junior knot]

and barbers

and Snekcluses

[olive marsh]

what has NO problematic interactions

imp-goblin sorta

[warped urchin]

Steward?

[junior knot]

not problematic

just something to be conscious of

/account for when scriptbuilding

[olive marsh]

steward’s kinda rough with alignment changing

[junior knot]

mez

[warped urchin]

Idk man I'm just guessing

[olive marsh]

if you have to be conscious of it and account for it that means it’s problematic

the problem(s) can be mitigated but they exist

[junior knot]

idk to me problematic is a higher tier concern than a hey, maybe think about this

[olive marsh]

difference in definitions then

[coarse fern]

Yeah maybe think about the unsolvable goblin

[junior knot]

that's making a lot of assumptions...

an imp alone does not an unsolvable goblin make

[olive marsh]

now might be a good time to say that mine was goblin because of exactly this lmao

[coarse fern]

Why speak like Yoda you

[junior knot]

why not?

[coarse fern]

Fair enough

[olive marsh]

difficult to make not dogshit, goblin and imp is

[ivory ridge]

“I love that you have inspired so many people to share their opinions on you”

yes it's the same compliment as before

that's what happened when your least fave is || || and fave is || ||

[lucid crag]

"I asked if my both of my neighbors had maidens, and I was told yes. Impressive given you're my neighbor"

[lucid crag]

"Nice fumble king"

[fallow rapids]

"Sometimes it seems like no one likes you but me"

[wicked zodiac]

"ah yes, an outsider that can block multiple demon kills, makes total sense"

[grizzled marsh]

Giving two because i can’t decide
"At least you don’t know how you’re gonna win this game when pulling this token"

(Just so that people can react to two different messages)
"You’re my favorite token that implies not doing anything for half of the game"

[dusty thistle]

"I can entirely assure you that you do not cause panic attacks when I play against you."

[naive flame]

"I love you because I can flourish your ability to cause so much chaos."

||Pithag|| ||||

"Oh yeah, I won as alchemist once with you..it was hilarious!"

||Goblin|| ||||

[feral snow]

“At least other people like being you”

That’s vague as hell it’s ||Marionette||

[dusty thistle]

||||

[sour harness]

You're such a straightforward design it's like the player who pulls the token doesn't even have to do anything

[karmic rose]

I love how you make days feel less rushed!

[sour harness]

You haven't guessed correctly yet

You can't just quadjank react

[junior knot]

no my guess is Vig with the Boffin Alch Vizier ability

[sour harness]

Literally not a character

[junior knot]

since its the most straightforward thing in clocktower

wait is it

bc anyone who pulls the token just rereacks

[zenith lotus]

i would think steward but today is favorite and not least favorite

[dusty thistle]

It could be any YSK like that tbh

So maybe Grandma?

Wait no, you have to keep your child alive

[junior knot]

oh its virgin isn't it

[karmic rose]

hm folks on the wrong track here

[sour harness]

Oh that's good I should've used it both days

Anyways baron is the closest guess so far

[olive marsh]

xaan?

[sour harness]

Bingo

[dusty thistle]

I'm not sure on Xaan being straightforward.

[junior knot]

for the player who pulls it maybe

[next vault]

"My favourite moment is when I have to solve a riddle that shouldn't even exist"

[sour harness]

Fisherman

[dusty thistle]

True. Understanding how it works is a bit more technical.

Or amne

[next vault]

What character is that? I only know riddleman

[tardy wyvern]

"You break the rules of this game in ways that actually work, somehow"

oh I guess that also applies to Legion in the specific way I meant

[next vault]

Fisherman: Consult the ST on Day 1 when there's not really much they can say

Fisherman: Once per game, learn a riddle

[dusty thistle]

Fisherman: Once per game, learn it is not an Atheist game.

(It is an Atheist game)

[dusty thistle]

It is Wizard though, right? I know you like Wizard.

[tardy wyvern]

no

[dusty thistle]

Hmm

[tardy wyvern]

it's VI

[grizzled marsh]

It felt obvious 😭
it helps that it's also one of mines tbf

[valid garden]

Too many of these are just "I love [insult]"

In other news:
"It's pretty neat that your almanac keeps people on their toes"

[junior knot]

You create many wonderful teaching/learning moments for storytellers

[acoustic chasm]

"The thing that truly makes you stand out is your Boffin-Alchemist interaction"

"You're such a powerful Townsfolk. I'd love to see a game when evil can bluff you successfully."

[hollow oasis]

Professor?

[acoustic chasm]

i saw that

[hollow oasis]

Correct, the message was “that”

[acoustic chasm]

don't think you can slip by the guess of savant by me

hmm

I think my first one can be even more backhanded

"Your ability really works as a Boffin-Alchemist ability."

[dusty thistle]

[8/25 27] Give your least favorite character a backhanded compliment.

[karmic rose]

isn't it only the 27th

[dusty thistle]

Don't try to confuse me with silly things like "facts"

[feral snow]

“I really like your flavour text”

[sour harness]

"your recent update was a major improvement"

[tidal quiver]

there aren't really any characters I dislike all that much but "you add so much nuance to who both evil and good want to kill in order to use your ability to its fullest"

[hollow oasis]

Princess?

[tidal quiver]

I thought I knew your least favorite character but this has really thrown me off.. balloonist?

[tidal quiver]

not for me at least

[hollow oasis]

Then what

[tidal quiver]

cult leader

[hollow oasis]

Cannibal?

Oh

That threw me off

[tidal quiver]

I do think the concept of 'warping good and evil kills in order to turn a CL evil and lock them v. try and get trusted good players closer for a win' is really cool dynamic but ends up rough in practice

[coarse fern]

You’re cool with kazali bh and soi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[hollow oasis]

Unless the evil CL is me

Then you should absolutely, under no circumstances, kill me when I’m claiming evil

“Good job, you have an outed evil and another evil is gonna be on the block”

And very outed

[dusty thistle]

"You're decently fun to roleplay as."

I'd do one for Xaan too, but I've realized I don't actually hate Xaan. I just don't like how it always seems to be the fallback option for Droison/O-mod. Kinda like the duct tape of scriptwriting.

I do actually dislike Zealot though.

[olive marsh]

that’s because that’s exactly what it was designed to do

it was meant to fill in that critical scriptwriting gap

[low umbra]

How is that possible?

[junior knot]

Mez?

[low umbra]

No. Mez SOI with BH is complete ass

[junior knot]

It's the kazali mind game

[olive marsh]

spirit if ovory

[next marlin]

I think it actually is Mez because we've talked about this in Kazali before

[low umbra]

I mean, I guess specifically with kazali it’s not terrible cause it becomes a gamble from the demon? But it doesn’t really work outside of kazali

[grizzled marsh]

It’s nice to have an evil character that adds interactions with your neighbors

[flat lintel]

[8/27] - When running a game, what do you find that your players often tend to miss/misunderstand? Could be about your storytelling, probably will be

[karmic rose]

I think we have a question for today?

[pastel prism]

that was yesterday's iirc

[dusty thistle]

Nope, we already have one for today.

[pastel prism]

could've sworn this was yesterday

timezone shenanigans lmao

yeah i was just confused

apologies

[pastel prism]

we can save this for 8/28 i guess

[sour harness]

I have 3

[tidal quiver]

still waiting for the steward 2 drop

[lucid crag]

That the st also doesn't know the night order

/j

[simple crystal]

"You encourage people to build worlds and think about possible evil teams."

[flat lintel]

I got confused by the cross thing sorry 😭

[flat lintel]

“You’re better off dead…”

[acoustic chasm]

that's not a backhanded compliment

[junior knot]

It's supposed to be an actual compliment too lol

[naive flame]

How I run madness, people think "oh yeah Alex usually allows madness breaking"

I don't, I usually check to see if it's reasonable to execute or not.

For example, a mutant wants to break madness in a final 5 against 3 evil, good is obviously losing so I do not execute them.

A cerenovus mad themselves to the hatter,breaks in but is also da protected. Of course I don't execute them but the day ends.

A hatter mad as for example, the broke madness, the town is winning heavily so I of course executed them so the demon can stay unpredictable.

-# this is from the last time I Storytold, which was SnV around a few weeks back.

[grizzled marsh]

And i kinda agree with your group, not punishing a good player breaking madness if it would end the game isn’t a good thing because then that’s allowing "madness science" (+ making madness useless in final 3)

Btw for that cerenovus example, the cerenovus did get executed. He just survived, but the cerenovus still got executed. It’s not "good night town" but "X is executed and does not die, good night town"

The "might" for might be executed is basically "do it unless it would help their team" most of the time (unless an evil is mad, then it depends on the context)

[fast anchor]

if the mutant breaks with 3 evils alive in final 5 im snap executing that

outsider abilities hurt good

you had a choice to not break madness

[junior knot]

👏 Let 👏 Outsiders 👏 Hurt 👏 Their 👏 Team 👏

[naive flame]

As a player, my strategy of claiming day 1.

It's a old thing I do, I kinda changed it but occasionally I do it.

I don't know why, people tend to see it predictable.

:shrug:

[fallow rapids]

madness but i think that's every storyteller. more accurately i still think none of my players "get" how to read my pacifist

though more of my players are playing into madness now because i bribe good mutants with snacks

[cyan reef]

yeah, this feels like one of the most obvious times to execute a madness break

[cloud plover]

Once again: outing D1 as mutant is the optimal play

People need to embrace the truth!

[tardy wyvern]

not true, the optimal play is absolutely never outing and getting in a double claim with a minion

[olive marsh]

or better yet the demon

[main axle]

"Outing" as Legion as Mutant would be interesting. I guess the issue is that if it actually is a Legion game, then you're in a whole heap of trouble.

"Outing" as Lleech as Mutant would also be interesting.

[sharp violet]

until the Cerenovus starts making someone mad as Mutant

[wicked zodiac]

i saw this in a youtube video i forget which but it was convinding

i think it was a patters video

[main axle]

Patters and wacky lleech plays. A match made in heaven.

[wicked zodiac]

high on my own supply..

[karmic rose]

yeah it was the make some noise video

I hate that I know this

[flat lintel]

mutant isn’t each day

like if I saw a mutant intentionally break on D1, I might not exe them till later

even if they try later

just cz I think it ruins the spirit of madness (which is already feels bad for evil)

haven’t done that yet

[olive marsh]

if they’re actively upholding madness later (including explaining why they broke earlier) you should not and arguably can not execute them

[flat lintel]

yes (agree for the most part)

[supple dirge]

For evil players bluffing most common ones I see is fortune teller getting a good/evil or 0/1, and thinking courtier picks a player

(For fortune teller its very confusing if ST gives a thumbs up to mean yes so don't do that)