secret thing

[valid garden]

I think, because silversmith activates specifically on the final 3, it is a townsfolk

[grizzled marsh]

Can silversmith bounce?

[valid garden]

Yes

[grizzled marsh]

Yeah then it's a better mayor

[valid garden]

I think it benifits good on the final day, even having the final 2 instead of final 3 is strong

[valid garden]

Not inherently

[grizzled marsh]

What's silversmith's exact text?

[valid garden]

You can't go for the 'wrong' mayor win

Silversmith can execute the wrong player

[grizzled marsh]

What's silversmith's exact text 😭

[valid garden]

I'm looking okay

Geez

Here

[grizzled marsh]

Ok yeah so it's not what i thought

You and req sold me as "If you die at night, another player might die instead. When 3 players are alive, if you nominate & execute a (potentially living) player, your team wins"

[valid garden]

Ohhhh

[grizzled marsh]

And that's why i asked for the text instead of rapports of the ability

[valid garden]

Yeah well as soon as you asked I started looking for where it's written

So I could answer you

[grizzled marsh]

Well first i can't argue that it's not good because it forces an hard-confirmed player into final 3

[valid garden]

Yeah it's certainly wrong

[grizzled marsh]

?

[valid garden]

Sorry, you know when you think one thing but type another, then you end up typing a secret 3rd thing

?

[grizzled marsh]

🔥

Yeah that's something i do a lot when i'm tired, end my sentence in a way that's completely unrelated

[valid garden]

I tried to type "It's certainly a townsfolk" and thought "It can be wrong though"

[valid garden]

Yeah, it's 2am here

[grizzled marsh]

Imagine being only at 2am rn

[tacit fiber]

is it not, at best, a lateral move

where if you're trying to execute someone you have convince Different People to do so

[valid garden]

You have to convince fewer people

That to me is easier

[tacit fiber]

sure but more people are trying to convince them

[valid garden]

Again I don't really see that that much

Not more than any game

[grizzled marsh]

The more i'm playing, the more i'm realising that when town struggles, vote power should be given to dead players

[grizzled marsh]

And it requires less convinced players for it to happen (like fiddler would be way more good-sided if instead of a vote, a random good player was chosen to decide which one wins)

[valid garden]

Yeah

[next marlin]

I think this might be "exactly your group"

like in almost every meta I see that combined total massively outweigh "pithag jumping without outside incentive" to a degree that isn't even close

"changing the demon with outside incentive" alone is far more common

[vernal tiger]

[5/08] Coolest flavourtext?

[warped urchin]

Slayer

[spiral pollen]

I think minstrel is fun to play as just cause it's so powerful

but yeah it's not fun to play against as evil if you get hit by it

it's crushing

[fleet hedge]

BMR does admittedly have a large power range between Townsfolk

It's definitely more possible to make bags that heavily favour one team than TB

[fast anchor]

There's something to be said about the Gambler's flavortext and how much aura it has

[coarse fern]

Golem

[versed junco]

Marionette

[minor pier]

Storm Catcher goes hard.

[dusty thistle]

Legion's flavor text is really good.

[hollow oasis]

Lord of Typhon

[lost thistle]

assassin

cerenovus goes hard

[next marlin]

I considered giving that example but as the Cerenovus am biased

All the snv demons have S-tier flavour texts too

[valid garden]

Imp!!!

Imp is sooo good

[dense moat]

Heretic

Kazali's is pretty cool too

[next marlin]

I see you might be E̵̹̋̂̀n̷̂̒̊̿l̸̍̓͠͠î̶̳͇͉g̸̽͋̕͝h̷͛́̽͠t̵͎̽́̌ë̸́͋͊͒ǹ̸͐̀͝ȇ̵̇̕͝d̶̊̆̈́

[sour harness]

I've always loved ojo's

[warm gate]

there's something about Saint's flavor text that I really like

[ivory ridge]

unpopular opinion (maybe) but i think knight’s flavor text is extremely cool

[tidal quiver]

I like the HP flavor

[olive marsh]

how has no one mentioned zombuul

[zenith lotus]

zealot

closely followed by slayer, assassin, and cere

[versed junco]

so

putting together everything we've learned from our survey today

the perfect flavour text is:

"Dieheadsiwintailsyoulosegolemhelpgolemsmashgolemhelpwordswordstheyreallwehavetogoonatdawnthetempleslongshadowcreepstothefountainatdusktheobeliskblockstheredglarecoolingwarmwaterunderthearchwayalllinesconvergehereastormiscomingandthisthispebbledandlushandholyplacebetweentheappletreesistheeyewearethechillwindonawintersdaywearetheshadowinthemoonlessnightwearethepoisoninyourteaandthewhisperinyourearweareeverywhereintheshadowedandforgottencornersofthecosmoswherethestarswhispersecretstothevoidliesatruthsoprofoundthatthemerestglimpseofitunravelsthesanityofmortalmindsrealityismerelyanopinionspecificallymyopinionwemustkeepourwitssharpandourswordsharperevilwalksamongusandwillstopatnothingtodestroyusgoodsimplefolkbringingourfinetowntoruintrustno-oneButifyoumusttrustsomeonetrustmeafterthehailhassmashedtheroofandsplinteredtheglassofthecathedralwindowsitmeltsagainintotheearthlikeadyinglambinthedesertsunsuchistheparableofthemadmangon(z)a7les6takecau8tunthemech4an4ionisiNvert10de99orsinsy6tumreco{7}figlikeabonfireonamoonlessnightiseeyoumortalwisdombegetspeacepatiencebegetswisdomfearnotforthetimeshallcomewhenfeartooshallpassletusprayandmaytheunityofourvisionmakesaintsofusallwhenamanlieshemurderssomepartoftheworldthereislifebehindthepersonalitythatusespersonalitiesasmaskstherearetimeswhenlifeputsoffthemaskanddeepanswerstodeepidonotunderstandyourwaysfellowhumanshowmethedirtwheretheholylaysleepingitoomustsleepsoonienjoytalkingtoyouyourmindappealstomeitresemblesmyownmindexceptthatyouhappentobeinsane…"

[sour harness]

nah you made a typo

Throw the whole game in the trash and start from scratch

[fast anchor]

If we're allowing it, Occultist

insanely good flavor

[sour harness]

For context

Yeah it's fire

[lost thistle]

[8/6]
follow up on two day’s ago

what are your botc cold takes?

[torpid mist]

Drunk is pretty neat

[junior knot]

TB is a base 3 script

[feral snow]

This game is called Blood on the Clocktower

[junior knot]

Actually it’s Bloods on the clocktower

[grizzled marsh]

TB is beginner friendly

[sour harness]

BMR has execution survival

[dense moat]

DA & Leviathan are utterly horrible together

[dusty thistle]

Poppygrower is a very powerful townsfolk.

[hollow oasis]

Bounty Hunter and Cult leader are flawed

[coarse fern]

Golem is the best character in all of Blood on the Clocktower and it always will be

[hollow oasis]

This isn’t cold

[tidal quiver]

Cold as... Uhh... Rock

[feral snow]

They said cold take

[coarse fern]

🤨

[junior knot]

https://tenor.com/view/golem-pokemon-pokemon-golem-roar-gif-4769941682664148088

this guy right?

[coarse fern]

Close enough

[tidal quiver]

I believe it's a cold take because if you disagree with Pebbles then he golem punches you, and thus nobody ever disagrees

[hollow oasis]

Favorite character usually isn’t a cold take

[coarse fern]

Magica gets it

[hollow oasis]

Unfortunately I am legion

[hollow oasis]

Yes

Are you telling me they aren’t?

[junior knot]

there are people who would disagree

[hollow oasis]

That’s like 3 people

I think I’ve ever met

In the hundreds of clocktower players I’ve played with or seen

[dry sluice]

Some scripts include a Cannibal. It's a neat character

[hollow oasis]

Sigh everyone is just saying facts

Those aren’t even takes anymore

If that’s a cold take then “you will live forever in space” is a hot take

[dry sluice]

I like how Cannibal is more powerful when you execute Townsfolk. It adds anti-swing, which is rare for BoTC characters

[feral snow]

I think the characters are fine

I don’t think bounty hunter and cult leader are “flawed”

[hollow oasis]

Bounty hunter is incredibly unbalanced/unfun to play against

and cult leader

Is lets be honest, +1 evil 90% of the time

Even when playing for good

[sharp violet]

I think S&V and BMR get played online way less than they should be

[feral snow]

Make them good more often then

[feral snow]

I can get it being swingy but I don’t think it’s unbalanced

Idk I need more experience with it

[tardy wyvern]

cult leader suuuuuuuucks

also lleech suuuuuucks

[tardy wyvern]

i completely agree

one of them is an alright character and the other one suuuu

[hollow oasis]

It’s never “balanced”

Either A:You killed 1 evil player woop de do you’re elder lite

Or B:you killed the evil team(directly or indirectly)

[hollow oasis]

It kind of needs to be evil often to be balanced(when alive)

The fix is stormcatcher

[junior knot]

when it turns evil its no longer stormcaught no?

[zenith lotus]

its still stormcaught

storm catcher says good character

*fabled storm

[low burrow]

Storm Catcher

Name a good character. If in play, they can only die by execution, but evil players learn which player it is.

[hollow oasis]

Basically the biggest* problems with cult leader is that it can die

The only one left is “cult wins aren’t all that hype”

And it tends to be d1 or never

Which sucks

[junior knot]

Also fake cults

[hollow oasis]

(Actually I have a script Idea)

[hollow oasis]

Stormcaught

No need

[junior knot]

you think that'd stop the bits, but no

also evil can doubleclaim the CL

[hollow oasis]

If no-one likes the bits why the bits

[hollow oasis]

You can I guess

[junior knot]

some people need attention i guess?

[junior knot]

how else are you gonna get them executeD?

[hollow oasis]

They still can turn evil

The problem arises when they’re locked in as evil

[junior knot]

or you could just not have directed kills?

[hollow oasis]

That’s like

Lil Monsta Yagga Legion specifically

[junior knot]

add vortox and you've got a script cooking

[hollow oasis]

Notably I like cult leader I just hate the way you are basically “TF” goon

[tardy wyvern]

“the biggest problem with cult leader” there are 4 problems with cult leader that are all tied for biggest

you could storm catch cult leader and it’s still the worst character in the game

[junior knot]

Is SC CL just mayor that can go evil?

[dusty thistle]

Cold take: Asking for someone's takes on the Internet will always end with a massive argument.

[dense moat]

Sort of. You are still taking a bet that will win or lose the game. But you also can do the cult at any time if you're reasonably sure the CL has 2 good neighbors or even 1 good neighbor and is good

[tardy wyvern]

no because the cl is always gonna be 50 50 evil on final day

[tardy wyvern]

ok i get huntsman being here but cmon alch is fun sometimes

[dense moat]

Fwiw, I dont actually hate Alch. I'm just overdramticising it because it is really annoying to script with

[tardy wyvern]

it is I’ll admit that

but alch at its peak is a pretty good tf

[dense moat]

thats not super suprising given that Minion abilities are more powerful than TF abilities the vast majority of the time

(i know you meant fun rather than just strong)

[tardy wyvern]

by good I didn’t mean strong there yeah

although that is independently true

[dense moat]

Alch is inheirently swingy in that regard. Its usually either the most powerful thing around or an Outsider

And the in between areas are finnicky

[tardy wyvern]

i mean, i’ll take that over pretty much always being an outsider

[feral snow]

i mean yeah some alch abilities aren't great

just make wizard goblin scripts only

i'm half kidding but seriously alch is really niche but super cool

[junior knot]

best character ever (exclusively on QJ)

[8/6]: Which good characters would you replace a legion with, and which wouldn't you in a legion game? Why? @hollow oasis keys jangling

[dense moat]

True. A solid alch lineup is really cool

[junior knot]

The main issue is that there aren't really any demons that want the same minion suite as Alch does

[warped urchin]

We already got one today

[warped urchin]

.

[junior knot]

oh my bad

i thought that was yesterday's

timezones lol

[hollow oasis]

Stormcatcher fixes at least 2

[hollow oasis]

LOL

There’s at least 20

[karmic rose]

Cold take: this is a pretty fun game and I've met some pretty cool people while playing it

[hollow oasis]

Gonna start with TF then work down from there

All demonsbanes:You have to kill them. So add one TF to balance them needing to die.

Acrobat:You can maybe add one but honestly this either confirms no droison, or your script is really fucked up

you REALLY shouldn’t have droison in a legion game that isn’t literally philosopher.

(On goods)

Artist: Legion is the Vortox check but actually a good idea

Don’t

Bounty Hunter: Replace a legion with an evil TF

Chambermaid:0 spam can make it damn obvious it’s legion

Chef:Outed legion sucks. Vortox is a bandaid at best for this.

Courtier:Script building mistake but it’s a blank token in legion so add a TF

Cult Leader:See Bounty Hunter

Exorcist:See Courtier

Gambler:Add a TF but also reconsider your script building decisions

Gossip:Legion is arbitrary kills, and if it isn’t your script can’t handle gossip, or legion is outed in gossip games. Don’t

Grandmother:consider it in small bags if you have no grimpeekers.

Investigator:Holy useless in legion, maybe add a TF?

Juggler:I’m not sure entirely until I test it, but juggler 0s can out legion somewhat hard

Knight:Add goods so you can kill the knight or some of their pings.

Even then, not a great choice, the social dynamic being “frame this one guy” isn’t going to end well.

Lycan: DIE IN A FIRE YOU HORRIBLE MISREG

Minstrel:Don’t do legion jinxes. They aren’t very well designed(notably more outing legion yayyyyyyy)

Noble:add goods but see Knight, and tone it down 25%

Oracle:See Chef

Preacher:See Minstrel

Princess:This is an outsider in a legion game so add a good player

Slayer:don’t. outed legion+confirmation WHAT COULD GO WRONG

Snake charmer: See slayer but remove the confirmation

[warped urchin]

Someone's clearly never heard of a recluse

[hollow oasis]

… people don’t back into recluse bluffs on a whim like that and I’m tired of pretending they do

Who’s shooting recluses on legion scripts

[warped urchin]

Idk but ragebaiting you is funny so

[hollow oasis]

Fool:Good for forcing legion to not bluff legion

Sailor:Ngl haven’t figured out the legion sailor meta because it might have no ability if ran normally(add a good player)

Pacifist:Fool but even stronger at this

Tea lady:add more good players. Like 2. Or just don’t have tea lady on script like a normal person.

[fast anchor]

Cold take: The Imp is one of the more powerful Demoms

[acoustic chasm]

Cold take: The Imp is one of the best designed demons.

[cyan reef]

I say this often, but even with my weekly streamed games, every other week is solely dedicated to playing all the base scripts as I think it's important for both myself as a Storyteller and for the players to get those reps in, and since I have a particular interest in showcasing the game in the most "normal" way as possible more of the time, it best showcases where the game shines and what most people should in theory be experiencing with the game

part of the downsides of the way streaming and videos present the game isn't just the "we need to be entertaining" aspect of it, but also the fact an overwhelming majority of content is custom scripts

[karmic rose]

yeah my biggest problem with online public lobbies is that few lobbies sit between "new player trouble brewing" and "3 wizards and a heretic on script"

[cyan reef]

and it leads people to think that they need some kind of "in between" script between TB and BMR/S&V

[foggy grotto]

Vortox hands down

Cult Leader is pretty neat too

[feral snow]

Kazali's used to make me genuinely uncomfortable so I think that one wins for me

but yeah agreed with the others that some just have huge aura

cere, gambler, and slayer come to mind

[flat lintel]

Should the QOTD be pinned?

[sharp violet]

No

[sour harness]

Too many pins imo

[vague pier]

i mean thats 250 qotds that can be pinned

[olive marsh]

50

50 pin limit

[valid garden]

You seem to have pressed '2' by accident

[junior knot]

Do we need to make a secret thing HOF thread?

[supple dirge]

Cold take: Town crier is a fun townsfolk and doesn't need to be changed

[hollow oasis]

Yea

[junior knot]

Town crier ET Vig Clock being a homescript interaction begs to differ

[tardy wyvern]

do they know?

[junior knot]

(Yes TC is obviously the problem there)

[supple dirge]

We could add '1 townsfolk is posioned' to town crier to fix that

[lost thistle]

cold take: i think being inactive in text games is… bad

[supple dirge]

I feel the same way about non text games

[lost thistle]

cold take: being an evil townsfolk is fun

[hollow oasis]

Unless it’s BH

[valid garden]

It's more fun to be an evil TF if you don't know the evil team

By that I mean PH making an evil tf is less fun than BH evil tf

[supple dirge]

I'm not sure I've ever seen pit-hag make an evil player into a townsfolk actually.

[karmic rose]

Snake Charmer and dreamer (on damsel scripts) are both very devastating

[feral snow]

Could you not unpin it afterwards

[feral snow]

I had a group almost do it

There just wasn’t enough time

[lost thistle]

evil philo can be nasty in theory but ive never seen anyone do it ever

[hollow oasis]

I have

Evil won

[hollow oasis]

And philo

[karmic rose]

I've also seen pit hag into evil townsfolk -> evil TF makes a plausible but incorrect damsel guess to try and draw out the true damsel

[lost thistle]

i want to see a bh-evil high priestess or boffin-priestess now that sounds really fun

[olive marsh]

boffin-hp is super cool

bh-evil hp is less interesting imo bc it kinda just... learns the evil team and then doesn't have a ton to do in most scenarios

[next marlin]

The one time I had a BH turned HP she learned two evils and the BH with a ping on her, and claimed evil to all of them. Guess who was the only one to claim evil back

[olive marsh]

LOL

[vague pier]

did the pin limit not increase to 250 recently?
edit, just tested it, yes it did.

[sour harness]

Wait really?? Huge

[olive marsh]

oh thats great

[lost thistle]

oh yeah good point since they dont know the team uhh

mez turned hp then

[flat lintel]

like its removed after the day is over

[junior knot]

A day of pin sounds great, but is it too much work?

like i mean to expect someone to do every day, monitoring for new qs

[olive marsh]

shouldnt be? a minion just pins the daily topic and unpins the previous one (unless we want the last week or so to stay pinned idk)

[junior knot]

I'm curious if we could bot it? So you could like *question to have it pull up the most recent question; which it would detect via like format detection of '*Question [8/7]:' or smthg

[olive marsh]

theres only one question per day

[fallow rapids]

bh turned hp when they learn the bh, the unspent seamstress, and the snek charmer, and then the savant comes out with info that the hp learnt all good players

[fallow rapids]

(the hp then outs all the roles and the godfather, assassin, and demon triple kill)

[hollow oasis]

8/7: Should “The Bomb” from New World Chaos be an official fabled for customs

[fast anchor]

no

[olive marsh]

(can you post the bomb for reference)

[fast anchor]

not until Comintern and Kabal become real experimental characters :)

The Bomb (Fabled): If 2 players agree to drop The Bomb, and at least 1 is Good, Evil wins. Then, if Evil players >= Good players, whoever wins, loses, and whoever loses, wins.

[simple crystal]

Who needs spirit of ivory when you can just put all possible extra evils on the script then add the bomb

[olive marsh]

spirit of kablooey

[signal holly]

having seen people unironically do this before: the issue is that you end up with a bunch of games that are like 6-5 or 7-5 where good technically has majority so cannot bomb but because evil controls kills they very quickly get vote majority and so good is still only in control of like 2 executions all game

[grizzled marsh]

Why Kabal?

[foggy grotto]

no legion already has its own counter

[hollow oasis]

I’m more talking about for the multiple extra evil script thing

[foggy grotto]

oh its an interesting SoI sidegrade

i would mess with that

just cant go on legion scripts

[junior knot]

It would need heretic as well

and maybe hermit too

[supple dirge]

[8/8] Following up from yesterday, what homebrew fabled or bootlegger rule (like the world cup script rules) would you want to make an official fabled?

[lean isle]

Moonlight from Face your Fears

Travelers can't be chosen, affected or learned by anyone, and don't count as neighbors. When the night starts, the Demon may give up their ability until dusk to kill a Traveler.

[next marlin]

GUYS YOU CAN SEARCH IN INDIVIDUAL THREADS NOW

[olive marsh]

INCREDIBLE

[olive marsh]

it’s a lifesaver for putting travelers in BMR games

[grizzled marsh]

One fabled i’ve seen once that felt very interesting is basically "one role on the script has [-1 or +1 outsider]" (it was used on the goblin for that script)

[fast anchor]

I've heard of it before too

It's like attaching a Sentinel to a specific character

[karmic rose]

Ooh that's neat

[sour harness]

Yeah it's usually cleaner than sentinel imo

People are scared of homebrew sometimes but if that was official I think I'd use it in place of sentinel almost every time

[lean isle]

It goes quite hard

[sour harness]

I'm gonna throw in alejo snake charmer just so it can be mentioned at some point and because I do prefer it over RAW and if this manages to start another argument I'm noping out of here lol

[fallow rapids]

something simple like

There can only be one additional or one fewer outsider.
can help a lot of scriptbuilders

but honestly this is just good script building ideas in general 🙃

[minor pier]

Heavily disagree, based on Baron existing. Limiting sources of + and - Outsider count, though...

[karmic rose]

Import Duties (Fabled): Players who mention off-script characters may be asked to contribute to the snack fund.

[fallow rapids]

👍

something like Only 3 sources of Outsider count modification can be in play, maybe 2 instead

[tardy wyvern]

I’m approaching your location

[karmic rose]

Stagehand (Fabled): Each player may only take 1 Townsfolk's public action a day.

[minor pier]

Ah, the shenanigans rule. Good one.

[fast anchor]

Catfishing enjoyers in shambles

[karmic rose]

it's a classic, trying to word it in a way that allows a psychopath to damsel guess lmao

[fast anchor]

This is genius

[fallow rapids]

i've had fun with There is a publicly known alternate win/loss condition.

[karmic rose]

ooh

[fallow rapids]

i actually do need a name for that fabled though

someone's probably thought of it before

it's fun when you say something like "Evil loses in final 2 if both players are evil." on a script where the town has no other reasons to not trust those dead in the night

generally i like giving players stuff to think about or do

[minor pier]

Given that alternate win/loss conditions are notoriously difficult to balance, I can see it being fun, but very hard to ST.

[fallow rapids]

yeah advice is to keep it tame

very useful for spice though

it's good fun every once in a while

[warped urchin]

Idk why but I was thinking of names and my brain went to goblining

[fallow rapids]

ah yes the older cousin

Hobgoblin

[karmic rose]

Auctioneer (Bootlegger): This game is raising money for charity. Rules and roles on-script may be altered as a result; all players and spectators know what changes are possible.

that's extremely inelegant wording but

[warped urchin]

I don't think any official wording has mentioned a spectator ever

[fallow rapids]

the ever-generic catchall "Something might happen"

[karmic rose]

really it makes more sense to just have a specific bootlegger per charity setup

[fallow rapids]

hmm might also be useful to have a "sneaky demon" fabled for scripts that don't have an escape hatch in any capacity

[warped urchin]

I mean

That feels bad to demon that do have that

Why be an imp who's special power is to move when you can be a no dashii who can also move

[fallow rapids]

yeah the main issue is that like

the sheer existence of Imp on a script opens up a significant amount of worlds

same for the rest of Escape Hatch Demon Squad (and the Scarlet Woman in the corner)

[minor pier]

B3 all have various escape hatches built in that play well together with the rest of the script. I'd assume this is a problem you'd rather have to work on when scriptwriting rather than fix with a Fabled.

[fallow rapids]

imp is already the Best Scriptbuilding Demon so yeah

i think most scripts have imp/fang gu/vigor, or maybe the baby, zombuul, or maybe it's just a legion script

[minor pier]

Mastermind and Pit Hag are also escape hatches, Snake Charmer, DA, Summoner somehow each count as half as one. Wizard be wizarding, too. Lots of options that can tangentially count. (And Riot, same as Legion there).

[karmic slate]

Well stop Gatekeeping the name come on! /j

[supple dirge]

The name is 'One fabled I've seen once that felt very interesting is basically'

[fallow rapids]

ofisotfviib is an interesting name, is that the new demon?

[grizzled marsh]

I forgot 😭

[grizzled marsh]

Actually yeah it was something like that

[foggy grotto]

"I Am Spartacus!" from FoR but don't add Spartacus or any role that interacts with Spartacus claiming

[flat lintel]

This is great

[tardy wyvern]

i use that when i run whalebuffet

i say this as if i run whalebuffet regularly. but i used it the one time i ran it

[flat lintel]

Now we need a Gossip, Juggler, AlSaha, Slayer, Artist, Savant, Amne, Puzzlemaster, Damsel, Psychopath, Klutz, Moonchild script

[karmic rose]

https://discord.com/channels/569683781800296501/1072072004385128529

[flat lintel]

I’m running that

[valid garden]

If I may be the one to say it, I'd say most of my own fabled:
Mixologist

"Drunk or poisoned players cannot learn true info."
Lady of Sorrows
"If an evil player would lose the game with their choice, they might have no effect"
Apocrypha
"Once per game, at night*, deaths are arbitrary."

I'm not one to design script-specific fabled, so I try and design fabled that work similarly to official ones

[dry sluice]

Ooh. Mixologist is great for Xaan scripts

[unkempt tangle]

was it changed or do you mean that it just doesn't make you uncomfortable anymore?

[feral snow]

It hasn’t changed

I’m just less uncomfortable by it

[junior knot]

Squall has

[lucid crag]

8/9: What prompt should 8/10 be and why, wrong answers only

[junior knot]

Its been such a long time, it's obviously gotta be a hot take thread right?

That shouldn't be too controversial

[warped urchin]

"What prompt should 8/10 be and why, wrong answers only." I think this is a good meta question for 8/10 because I like infinite recursion

[feral snow]

I’m braver now

[sour harness]

""What prompt should 8/10 be and why, wrong answers only." I think this is a good meta question for 8/10 because I like infinite recursion" is a terrible question for 8/10 considering it's not even a question.

[foggy grotto]

Would you rather have infinite bacon but no games or infinite games but no games

[supple dirge]

What is your social security number and address

[feral snow]

What’s your favourite Sabrina Carpenter song? (There is a correct answer)

[sour harness]

None, I've never listened to her music on purpose

(I'm sure I've heard it in a public setting somewhere)

[junior knot]

You’re not supposed to answer it today

You’re supposed to wait till is posted tomorrow

then share your opinions

Cmon windex

[zenith lotus]

"What prompt should 8/11 be and why, wrong answers only" i feel like this is a new and original prompt, which this channel needs

[feral snow]

Disgusting

[sour harness]

no no that's the name of the song

[feral snow]

That’s not a song she has lol

[karmic rose]

what prompt should 9/11 be and why

[junior knot]

I thought that was a Fall out boy song

[karmic rose]

I SAW THAT

[feral snow]

Where were you?

[sour harness]

unborn

[foggy grotto]

reborn.

[junior knot]

Jason Bourne

[feral snow]

I SAW THAT

It’s like a sleeper agent wake up phrase

[junior knot]

SAME

[karmic rose]

I ultimately dubbed an insufficiently funny or relevant anecdote to let stand

[olive marsh]

what happened to the fluffy dog

[karmic rose]

this is tomorrow's question actually

[junior knot]

Amy is a coward

Who refuses to stand by their convictions

[olive marsh]

amy your ass is NOT flipping to win with evil this game

you gotta stand strong for what you believe in

[junior knot]

Hey hey no need to get so political

[hollow oasis]

Squ4ll

I think you might be old for this

[feral snow]

I’m 20?!

This is like the target age for Sabrina’s music

[hollow oasis]

indeed. old

I just needed an opportunity to say you're old

[zenith lotus]

love subjective adjectives

[sour harness]

ur literally 14

[hollow oasis]

exactly, a baby

makes sense right

[sour harness]

no

[junior knot]

You're 20? It's okay... no one has to know babygirl

(Please get the reference so i don't just sound like a random creep)

[zenith lotus]

you sound like a random creep

[hollow oasis]

references must pass by the reference committee

you have not done your reference renewal

please hold

[feral snow]

I get it don’t worry

But anyways rahhh I love Sabrina carpenter

[zenith lotus]

the on hold music is sabrina carpenter

[hollow oasis]

no

ok seriously that sounds like pop music

which I probably won't like because I'm "edgy" and "emo" (I actually just like jazz but ignore that)

[feral snow]

It is pop music

But it’s really good pop music

I’m normally a pretty big pop hater but Sabrina just hits different for me

[hollow oasis]

lyrics don't vibe with my music taste

[feral snow]

they're not all about how she constantly falls for objectively bad men

-# granted, she has maybe 50 of those, but like I swear she has others

[feral snow]

this is valid though

[sharp violet]

"Why do you play BotC, 500 character minimum"

[tidal quiver]

Because it's fun.........................

[sour harness]

i'm a homebrewer, i've never written anything in my life over 162 characters

even as i approach 150 an alarm goes off in my brain that it needs to be shorter ASAP

[junior knot]

haven't you had to edit characters down?

[sour harness]

shush just pretend the joke works

[junior knot]

Also literally any of your walls beg to differ

[sour harness]

^^^

[junior knot]

hell, isn't your last name over 162 characters?

[sour harness]

my last name is Clocktower

that's 10 characters

[supple dirge]

Its him, John Clocktower

[sour harness]

doxxed 😔

[coarse fern]

If Joe is the banshee and he nominates the virgin but the virgin isn’t a virgin they’re the demon who received the boffin alch marionette ability and Joe is actually not the banshee and he’s the recluse and he received boffin alch spy and the storyteller has the wraith ability and the vizier ability, can the organ grinder make themself drunk causing the amnesiac ability to remove the wraith ability from the storyteller, causing the storyteller to forget what character the boffin-alch-marionette-virgin is, and thus making the storyteller execute Joe, which would then cause a banshee announcement to go out. If so, assuming the wizard then wishes for Joe to become the Marionette, which would cause Joe to believe he is no longer the recluse and instead the banshee, with the price being to kill Joe at night and have a banshee announcement go out, can the storyteller open their eyes back up because they’re scared of the banshee or do they have to defeat the banshee using psychic abilities? I worry that the psychic powers could seriously harm the Fool, although the Fool would survive the first hit because they’re the Fool. Is it morally acceptable for the ST to randomly wield psychic powers if no one actually gets hurt??? This is important

[sour harness]

skipped to the end, the answer is definitely yes

[ivory ridge]

what is squall's legal name, personal number & address

[olive marsh]

it’s pronounced john but it’s spelled jank (the k is silent)

[grizzled marsh]

How do you call this game on this server?

(Actually add "wrong answers only" and it’s a fun question)

[fallow rapids]

Basil on the Chips

[valid garden]

"Legit question for rural Ravenswoodians - How do I kill the 30-50 feral Demons that run into my yard every 3-5 minutes while my kids play?"

[naive flame]

Idk if this counts as evil win but I was goblin who exed d1..

Oh wait I was alch but still it was funny

[naive flame]

The time I did Ballad of Seat 7 and the seat got , made it until f3 before getting executed.(And yes I wasted my only "ballad talk" d1 to try and defend myself which worked)

[karmic rose]

[8/10] ~~How is my dog so cute and fluffy? Biologists are unable to explain. ~~

What's a token you wish you drew more?

[dense moat]

drugs

anything non Demon works, since I dont like the responsibility. But more specifically, itd be interesting to draw one of the o-Mod Minions (Baron, Godfather, Xaan)

[karmic rose]

I'd love to laser my neighbors

Oddly enough, I also like drawing

[dense moat]

Yea. Helping your transfem neighbors is always welcome

[lean isle]

Grimpeekers

Or generally Minions

[dense moat]

But would you rather draw Spy or Widow? 👀

[junior knot]

Reminder this isn’t today’s question… this is answering what we want tomorrow’s to be

[supple dirge]

[12/31] Wake up you've been in a coma for 4 months!

[lean isle]

No preference really. Prob Widow

[dense moat]

[12/25]: You sir! What day is it?

[junior knot]

Ho ho holidays

[karmic rose]

https://tenor.com/view/asgore-undertale-deltarune-gif-8006577193793263180

[supple dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/mariah-defrosting-ice-mariah-carey-christmas-gif-17525441601810118101

[dense moat]

https://tenor.com/view/snowgrave-berdly-deltarune-gif-25420995

[fallow rapids]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/569683781846433828/1396040785438445588/makesweet-w28uph.gif

[hollow oasis]

Damsel,Heretic,Wizard

Specifically wizard

I’m refining my craft

[olive marsh]

any evil in SnV

[tacit fiber]

(Pithag, Cerenovus)

Also Wizard

[grizzled marsh]

, only TB role i never rolled

[pseudo fulcrum]

Amnesiac, I can't remember a single time I've drawn it

||ba dum tiss||

[coarse fern]

[fallow rapids]

Once per game, you rember. When the game ends, you forgor.

(i.e. storyteller's psychological warfare)

[junior knot]

[8/10]: What's your favorite script name you've come across

[warped urchin]

Midnight in the House of the Damned

[tardy wyvern]

I'm assuming no base 3

[junior knot]

why?

any name is fair game

[tardy wyvern]

Ok. TB

Oh script nbame

I can't read

Uhhhh probably tentacle yuri

[junior knot]

nbame?

[tardy wyvern]

It is midnigfht

[fallow rapids]

it is noon

[junior knot]

depends where you are

[fallow rapids]

my favourite script name is I Can't Believe It's Not Legion

[junior knot]

aka "it's five o'clock somewhere"

[karmic rose]

Final Nail in the Boffin is a pretty peak custom title. Fun and also tells you exactly which contest it was made for

[junior knot]

my favorite nonserious one might have to be a toss up between Jank Jank Jank Jank and Fuck You said the Fuck you guy

serious wise i do like midnight oasis, night vision goggles, or china shop

[karmic rose]

Oh midnight oasis is excellent

has a similar vibe to the official script names

ditto ride the cyclone

[junior knot]

i like RtC but it doesn't feel the same vein as official to me

idk it's just a bit too ... what's the word... plain? prosaic?

[karmic rose]

idk why but I file it with BMR as a script name

[junior knot]

BMR is also a really old reference I'm pretty sure

honestly would totally be into taking more shakespeare quotes as script names

i think that has the potential to go seriously hard

[karmic rose]

ooo

[tardy wyvern]

fuck you said the fuck you guy is pretty funny

[tidal quiver]

"Shakespeare" and "Fuck You, Said the Fuck You Guy" is the duality of man

[karmic rose]

"rotting moors" is very evocative as well

[junior knot]

Like a high tempo script with lots of accelerants called "Let Slip the Dogs of War" goes insanely hard

Or an Alhad "TBoNTB that is the question"

[junior knot]

https://tenor.com/view/disney-moana-youre-welcome-maui-dance-gif-15810606

[barren zenith]

🇨🇳 🛒

-# it's China Shop I just wanted to be different

[karmic rose]

this conversation is making me realize that:

• I have a fantastic bit of artwork a friend gave me for a script
• I do not have a script title that is good enough to match
• I do not have a good custom script

[shrewd cloud]

Garden of Sin is my favorite of the official script names (B3 + the expansions)

As for customs, Whose Cult is it Anyways is pretty peak. Nobody Fucking Move is also pretty good

[dense moat]

I do like the name Rochambeau in conjunction with the script gimmick

[tidal quiver]

night vision goggles is very flavorful

[dusty thistle]

My favorite is Double Time (not because I wrote the script or anything).

On a more serious note, my favorite is actually Midnight in the House of the Damned

[karmic rose]

look at this peak!!! it deserves a good script!

[junior knot]

Feels like a red wall esque home brew would fit

[sour harness]

Feels vaguely Christmasy

[karmic rose]

alternatively I'll make a high effort pdf of "fuck you said the fuck you guy" with this art for the meme

[feral snow]

hey I know that one

[supple dirge]

Of course this art should go with one of those custom scripts on reddit that have every extra evil on it

[junior knot]

Is this the art for my brouble trewing script?

[foggy grotto]

half of the 108 but with the most gorgeous art you’ve ever seen

[lost thistle]

fuck you said the fuck you guy

[flat lintel]

I feel like people have to post these scripts

[feral snow]

half of the 108 is TB plus Vortox plus Legion

it's questionable

[karmic rose]

https://64.media.tumblr.com/b6d4321e487b24898d239e30a1da5882/4cc03981671a0bb0-b4/s1280x1920/ea4909413d32e97948240f0299dc3882c6d489f5.png

[feral snow]

this is my script that I made to be as genuinely terrible as possible

[karmic rose]

watch me run it sometime

[feral snow]

there's an optional thirteenth townsfolk if you'd like to use the unreleased ||Machinist||

if you really want 13, a released alternative is engineer

[junior knot]

At 13+ it had to be legion or it’s physically unplayable

[karmic rose]

no i think 12 townsfolk is completely fine

i fail to see any issues

[junior knot]

Actually even less bc 2 can never be in the bag

[flat lintel]

Send

Legion + minstrel is all I needed to see

Huntsman never in play

[olive marsh]

wheres cult leader??

[flat lintel]

wait a minute...

how many fableds are in play

[feral snow]

All of them

-# except DeF it wasn’t out yet

[feral snow]

Believe it or not I think cult leader is fine

[junior knot]

Not sentinel I hope

[feral snow]

Even then it doesn’t interact terribly with everything else here

Maybe legion

[junior knot]

That’d make it playable

[feral snow]

Idk go count fabled I can’t remember

[olive marsh]

with bh goon fg?

[junior knot]

It could make the nonsense end too quickly

[feral snow]

Honestly there just wasn’t space for stuff

I think cult leader could be on here if I allowed maybe 5-10 more characters

[olive marsh]

mez over sw would probably make it more cursed

with ph and alhad and barber

wait is SoI here nooooo

[karmic rose]

[8/11] what would you say you're most known for in your playgroup/on this server?

[sour harness]

Either quadjank or binary supernovae and I'm scared to know which

(it's definitely quadjank if we're talking about specifically this server, but in the greater botc community I sure hope it's BSN)

[dense moat]

STing tons of fun live games

I'm also less well known for making Constellation

[dusty thistle]

My script analysis and being an awful ST.

[tardy wyvern]

in my in person group I am either “the guy who knows way too much about the rules of clocktower” or “the guy who keeps trying to get us to like bmr”

[karmic rose]

my reputation here is probably "posts cross stitch progress pics in Off-Topic threads", and in my group is probably just "yaps a lot about blindbucket"

[next marlin]

1. having opinions on characters
2. vatiwall
3. clockwork cyborg

Play/ST-wise I keep being surprised by the assumptions people make when I notice them being made so harder to track for me

[karmic rose]

if you've read the almanacs you're already a reasonable ST 😈

[valid garden]

Definitely "The person who makes homebrews" in my non-homebrew groups, and "The person who made [xyz] homebrew" in my homebrew groups

[feral snow]

In my group I’m definitely the rules lawyer

Here oh god idk I’m scared to find out

[sour harness]

Also rules lawyer

[valid garden]

Oh here? Mixologist, 100%

[karmic rose]

I definitely just associate everyone here with their most famous script, if they have one that's breached containment

[blazing perch]

hating tomb with every fibre of my being (not here)

[blazing perch]

as for here

making fun of luis? probably?

[primal crescent]

As for me, uuuhhhhh

[sour harness]

MATSU 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[primal crescent]

Matsuraid and/or Tomb characters lmao

[karmic rose]

I think of you whenever I see an outsider mod homebrew that has nothing to do with outsiders

[blazing perch]

or when snv has no extra evils

[valid garden]

I like to think more people know me from Tir Rules Bloodwrite than do

[karmic rose]

idk if I have a real reputation tho lmao

[next marlin]

"goodposter"

[karmic rose]

lmao I'm glad to hear it

[next marlin]

also the HHR trilogy

[karmic rose]

playing HHR recently made me want to run it again LMAO

[olive marsh]

in my main irl group, i am either an almighty authority (on rules things) or a conniving bastard never to be trusted (in games)

in my new group, i may have just cemented a reputation as someone to never trust if claiming to be snake charmed after faking it twice last night over fourish games

here apparently i'm only known for bad specspoiler takes

[feral snow]

Oh yup it’s this for sure

[junior knot]

I’d love to know what it is here. In my irl group probably 1) bluffing as off script characters 2) constantly needling ST’s about obscure character interaction rulings

[karmic rose]

i think i mostly associate you with being fast to jump on weird interactions in custom script discussion

[dense moat]

That SNV doesn’t have extra evils :)

/lh

[grizzled marsh]

On this server:
"Socials aren’t real" (understand it as "Reads evil isn’t a valid reason to execute someone mid-game"), but "Lepa always evil" could also hold ||anyone saying it’s actually: "Lepa hates fun" is lying to ruin my reputation||
On my group: the one doing weird plays as evil and the one always asking for virgins to be public d1

[hollow oasis]

Legion

[hollow oasis]

I try to spread BSN awareness

[dusty thistle]

True, but the main issue is I'm a socially awkward shrinking violet.

[karmic rose]

understandable 🤝

[warm gate]

in my IRL group - pulling evil tokens more often than statistically makes sense (I'm exaggerating a bit)
on the server - meh

[versed junco]

I suppose some would know me as The Lynchdale Guy

[foggy grotto]

i think my greatest contribution to this server and community has been my slayer gif and nothing will top it

irl probably just STing since i’m the one who STs 90% of games

[foggy grotto]

bro didn’t even mention vatimortis

[primal crescent]

The forever ST 😔

[foggy grotto]

i kinda mess with it tho

the thing is aside from like one other person, no one in my group is like

obsessed with botc

we’re just all friends

so whenever i play it’s kinda like a neg diff

except people have started to make intentionally suboptimal plays as evil just to throw off my solve which i find really funny because it works

[primal crescent]

Wifom go bbrrrr

[next marlin]

partially under "having opinions on characters" partially under "things I notice people thinking when they play with me"

[foggy grotto]

ok bro mentioned vatimortis

[lean isle]

I think my reputation is like active text player/ST and react

[karmic rose]

it's an excellent react

[valid garden]

I'm sure someone here knows me as the Goatherd person

[junior knot]

Anyone want to try to clue me in to my reputation here?

[next marlin]

I've seen you independently described as "custscripts court jester" multiple times

[olive marsh]

i’m also interested in what other people think my reputation is (my ego needs to get cut down to size)

[flat lintel]

idk, like just being a Botc player for a while? weird socials? Some really weird games (both me playing weird and STing)

[flat lintel]

active minion with opinions

[olive marsh]

that tracks

[flat lintel]

I’m also curious what people think my reputation is (feel free to dm me if you want to be brutally honest or smth)

[karmic rose]

I'm not sure I have a very specific idea of you, but I'm always like : D when you show up

[olive marsh]

aww ty

[signal holly]

I know what my reputation used to be but the textgame community has grown enough since then that I’m not sure whether that still holds

[flat lintel]

what did you think it used to be

[signal holly]

some combination of “very scary evil player” and then eventually “Besjbo amne game big bad”

[fast anchor]

both of those things are still very true imo

i think what i knew you for first was #golem-bureaucrat-seamstress though

[acoustic chasm]

Lying and being completely and utterly untrustworthy

[junior knot]

Not China shop?

[acoustic chasm]

Round here I guess it's China Shop and being a decent longtext player whenever I join.

The first is irl playgroup specific

[fast anchor]

in my irl playgroup: being the primary ST, hating fun and loving whimsy (which translates to "running customs the other main ST thinks are bad, like Catfishing, Reptiles, and Whose Cult is it Anyway")
online: 🤷‍♀️ i don't really know how people see me; i do a lot of stuff™

[acoustic chasm]

I guess also in some specific corners of the server it's my homebrew blossoms in twilight

[junior knot]

Real

Also ojo Lycan scriptadays I would say are your main things

[hollow oasis]

the person who called ojo a skrungly little guy

oh and invented whimsy

[fast anchor]

that's how you all know me

[acoustic chasm]

axolator scriptaday is big

[fast anchor]

that's different from the online presence i project to most people (the masses, if you will)

[acoustic chasm]

very fanciful definition of day/week

[hollow oasis]

I mean

[acoustic chasm]

i forget which it is

[hollow oasis]

yea people don't know you

[fast anchor]

it's week

[acoustic chasm]

Still a fanciful definition of week

[fast anchor]

nowadays it's "whenever i feel like it" tbh

because i have 8 different posts in my drafts at any given time and bounce around each whenever i remember they exist

[simple crystal]

I think my main group probably knows me for being annoyingly picky about script building lol - custom-script-discussion is a bad (read: good) influence

[fast anchor]

idk, sometimes with your irl group you have to toss out the theory and just have a good time with your friends

even if you're playing or running a hellscript

[simple crystal]

yeah that's also true

[junior knot]

Like NvG lol?

[olive marsh]

why is the v lowercase

[fast anchor]

@analog hornet STOP INFLUENCING THE MASSES

[analog hornet]

what

[olive marsh]

NVG is peak

[junior knot]

Bc it’s funnier

Shoot meant to the V lowercase

[simple crystal]

I just don't always want every single game to be a script thrown together in 5 minutes around a random theme, which has a tendency to happen in my group

[fast anchor]

idk how you've managed to spread the propaganda that night-vision goggles is a hellscript but i will not stand for it

[analog hornet]

oh it was def a hellscript

[fast anchor]

if nvg is a hellscript then so is midnight oasis and every damn custom with a pithag

[hollow oasis]

isn't it a BH pithag Vortox script

[analog hornet]

oh boy i love the pg being pithagged into some other shit

[fast anchor]

yeah it's heat

[hollow oasis]

look

[analog hornet]

and then the bh gets pithagged into the drunk and thinks they're the pg

[hollow oasis]

BH+Vortox is my definition of hellscape

[fast anchor]

it was the mayor 😇

[analog hornet]

and also i sit on paradox's lap as the proto-parasite

[fast anchor]

no vortox

[olive marsh]

no vortox?

ok cool i remembered correctly

[hollow oasis]

what's the script again I could've sworn I hated it

[fast anchor]

you hate most things

[simple crystal]

Ooh No Vreater Goy, sounds fun /s

[hollow oasis]

mostly because everything is a bad legion interaction ™

[simple crystal]

(that's actually how I read it initially 😭)

[karmic rose]

axo I absolutely think of you as the script a "day" person

[hollow oasis]

anyway BH Vortox seems like something axo would say is good

[karmic rose]

in the best way possible

those write-ups do such a good job of lowering the activation energy required to pitch a script to my group + come up with a reasonable bag for it

[tardy wyvern]

can we make nerdguy play no roles barred

[hollow oasis]

no.

like

seriously no

ah yes the legion is the one with the worst winrate

such a good fucking script

[fast anchor]

I want to make nerdguy play "fy"stfyg

but that might actually count as a war crime

[hollow oasis]

the vibes of "purposely bad" vs "they actually tried but it's bad"

I'll do fystfyg because it's the first and I don't care

[tardy wyvern]

no roles barred is an unapologetically unbalanced mess of a script and I honestly love it for that

[acoustic chasm]

every script is balanced

[hollow oasis]

this is

untrue

[acoustic chasm]

If you're willing to factor in length of days in the balancing process

Too good sided?

Just make the days 30 seconds

[hollow oasis]

leviathan heretic

wtf are you gonna do

not execute them?

[dusty thistle]

That is true. Sometimes it tilts towards good or evil, but it is balanced towards something

[signal holly]

okay that is fair and also the best possible reputation I could have

[acoustic chasm]

I don't think it's true that every script is balanced

But I do think balancing around 'yes days should be 30 seconds on this script' is funny

[dusty thistle]

Every script is balanced, either well-balanced or poorly-balanced.

[acoustic chasm]

Anyway

Hermit

There we go

[dusty thistle]

You're balancing on something

[acoustic chasm]

Leviathan Hermit Heretic script

hello this is terrible

[dusty thistle]

Add drunk

[hollow oasis]

notably I'm the one making this script

yes. it's in my hard drive.

The Leviathan wins at the night afterwards instead and the Godfather-Heretic jinx is removed.

heretic killing themselves? no

[lost thistle]

i know you more for running the timeloop threensy with 10 travelers honestly

[hollow oasis]

excuse me

what

WHAT THE FUCK HYSTREX

why do you do these things?!?!?!

[lost thistle]

oh?
you don’t know about the leviathan time loop threensy with 10 travelers including an apprentice spy who registers as good to the leviathan wincon, with an amnesiac who makes everyone immortal?

[hollow oasis]

notably I don't do livetext

[lost thistle]

game starts here i think

read up

[hollow oasis]

oh it's the one with all fabled characters

thought it was a different one

[lost thistle]

yeah its that one

[next marlin]

Missing that I also was publicly outed evil and misregistered to the Bomb

[fast anchor]

and I widow poisoned vati which instantly fucked over the evil team

[sour harness]

im trying to have literally any other legacy but it seems i cant escape it

it's funny tho so i dont actually mind

[flat lintel]

one of us (x10)

[flat lintel]

I would actually play a scheduled version of it tbh

Maybe one that’s like

All of them

? (fabled): If more than one games of the Threensy All Fabled happens, Fableds can be affected across different games.**

[flat lintel]

the one we were evil in together?

[flat lintel]

The ST who can ST any format

[signal holly]

that was one of them

but also #greed-eggs-and-jams , its happened more than once

[sour harness]

If there's interest I'd be down but I severely doubt there's interest

[karmic rose]

hi

[sour harness]

ok we're at 2, I don't think it'll work with less than 7

Threensy, of course

[junior knot]

I could be convinced

[olive marsh]

i’m in

[coarse fern]

Golem and creating WiSC, one of very few decent Lycan scripts

In my playgroup, the virgin-spy-leviathan incident

[fallow rapids]

in my group i'm known for STing and liking Pacifist

aka "pacifist kinda sucks unless [canichatandobserve] is the ST today "

[hollow oasis]

Have people considered running it like you do?

[unkempt tangle]

how do you run pacifist? as opposed to how other people run it?

[analog hornet]

making/running speculation scripts easy

i've been told i'm banned from sting irl cause we need to onboard new players

[fallow rapids]

question: would saving this help good?
if yes -> save them unless evil is incredibly cooked otherwise without fault of their play
if no -> don't save them lol

[fallow rapids]

good stuff. it also covers for tea lady well and makes DA more damaging if your players don't go What If DA? every day prot

[hollow oasis]

(So the correct way)

[fallow rapids]

(yes)

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/569683781846433828/1396040785438445588/makesweet-w28uph.gif

[hollow oasis]

I love bmr

[fallow rapids]

bmr is so cool

[hollow oasis]

I’ve basically resorted to “y’all the chance of DA on a good player is 1/(Playercount)”

This is not actually an argument BUT it gets people to stop saying it so I don’t care

[fallow rapids]

the DA could target anyone? okay. the Pacifist can target anyone too

[hollow oasis]

The DA targets one guy

Pacifist targets “good target area”

[fallow rapids]

exactly

i mean yeah just proc paci enough then people who say What if DA? sound strange

evidently it helps both roles do their thing

[low umbra]

Playgroup: being the Clocktower nerd who makes a bunch of weird scripts and STs a lot (also for purposefully playing outed evil and lying as good, which the others don’t do as much or nearly as comfortably)

On this server: oh no, have I been perceived in this server enough for people to form opinions?? (honestly probably just my constant ramblings in custom script discussion)

[grizzled marsh]

[8/12] take the first half of a character and the second half of another character to create a new character

Pacinovus: Executed good players might be executed

[warped urchin]

Stewist: You start knowing good wins, even if you are dead [No evil characters]

[acoustic chasm]

that must be good stew

[fast anchor]

Pixoracle (Townsfolk): You start knowing an in-play evil character. When they die, learn how many evil players are dead each night* onward.

[grizzled marsh]

Fearxie (Minion): Each night, choose a player: when they die, you gain their ability.

[fast anchor]

Tea Doctor (Outsider): Your living neighbors might not die by execution. The first time one does, the Storyteller gains a Minion ability.

hm I can do better

Plague Lady (Townsfolk): Your living neighbors are safe from Minion abilities.

[versed junco]

Nightwatchpo (Townsfolk): Once per game, at night, choose a player. If your last choice was no-one, choose 3 players tonight.

Sailimp (Demon): Each night*, choose a player: they die. You can't die.

[fallow rapids]

Advice the Storyteller Cannot Mess Up (Townsfolk): Each night, you learn which alignment the Storyteller believes you should talk to the most.
Advice the Storyteller Will Mess Up (Townsfolk): Each night, you learn which player the Storyteller believes is winning.

[next marlin]

character 1 discourse is going to suck so hard when everyone tries to find a reason to show evil

[versed junco]

Kingboy (Townsfolk): If the Demon kills the King, you learn which player is the Demon. The Demon knows you are the King.

[karmic rose]

- You may only nominate once per game. If the nominee is not the demon, their team loses.

totally balanced 😎

[karmic rose]

Hey it's every unsolved amnesiac!

[versed junco]

Virgician (Townsfolk): The Demon thinks they are executed immediately.

[versed junco]

**Riotic (Outsider): ** Whoever wins, loses. This must happen.

[karmic rose]

Highball: each night, learn the player that most recently died by execution.

Sleech: once per game, you may publicly choose a player: you die if and only if they are dead.

[supple dirge]

Mariomoner (minion) You think you are a good character, but you are not. The Demon knows who you are. [No Demon]

[versed junco]

that's 10 😭 reacts so far, let's see how high we get this

Baromortis (Minion): There are extra Outsiders in play. [-1 Outsider]

[karmic rose]

noooo

[versed junco]

Matriant (Traveller): If you were funny today, players may not leave their seats to talk in private.

[tardy wyvern]

Deviatician: If you were funny today, you change alignment and win, even if dead.

[dusty thistle]

Vizionette (Minion):
All players know you are the Vizionette. [You neighbor the demon]

[supple dirge]

Bogre (outsider) Each night, choose a player (not yourself): you become their alignment (you don't know which) even if drunk or poisoned.

[karmic rose]

Yaggiant: you start knowing a secret phrase. For each time you say it, you might be funny.

[versed junco]

Bootleg Ex Fiasco (Fabled): At least once per game, the Storyteller will make homebrew characters or rules.

[karmic rose]

This character is usually in my games even if i didn't put it in the bag

[unkempt tangle]

Devitic: If you were funny today, whoever wins, loses, and whoever loses, wins, even if you are dead

[dusty thistle]

Flower Boy (Townsfolk):
Each night* you learn if a minion voted today.
(Allow me to snatch the low hanging fruit).

[versed junco]

Organ Man (Minion): On the final day, you are drunk until dusk.

[dusty thistle]

Organ man, organ man. Does whatever an organ can.

Poliron (Outsider): If you were the most responsible for your team losing, you change alignment and win, even if dead. [+2 Outsiders]

[dusty thistle]

Enjoy your practically guaranteed win!

[supple dirge]

Sailage (townsfolk) If the Demon kills you, you learn that it is 1 of 2 players. You can't die.

[dusty thistle]

Granshee (Townsfolk): If the demon kills you, you die too.

[unkempt tangle]

Devunk: You think you are funny today, but you are not.

[karmic rose]

me frfr

[dusty thistle]

Fang Po (demon): Each night* you may chose a player, they die. If you choose nobody, your next choice becomes an evil Fang Po and you die instead. This can only happen once per game.

[warped urchin]

Reasonable

[dusty thistle]

Would need a lot of negative deathmod to be bluffable

"Was that a Fang Po skip? Or just an Inkeeper protection?"

[unkempt tangle]

Can happen multiple times

[dusty thistle]

I'll fix that

[unkempt tangle]

Vorgin: All townsfolk are executed immediately

[dusty thistle]

It actually might work making multiple though. Each time you make a new demon, you give town an extra day of info

Probably a bad idea

[unkempt tangle]

Evil voting power might be too strong

[dusty thistle]

Yeah, bad idea

[unkempt tangle]

I think this demon is just a stronger summoner, right?

[dusty thistle]

Actually, yes it is.

Huh

What do you know

It does leave clues to its setup though

If no deaths happen, you can assume the next death is evil

[unkempt tangle]

They can't choose demon type, but they add an extra evil and can choose when to summon, and aren't a minion ability

[dusty thistle]

Unless evil bluffs it to frame some poor guy.

Washerknight (Townsfolk): You start knowing one of two players is a particular demon.

[unkempt tangle]

Politic: If you were not the player most responsible for your team winning, whoever wins, loses, and whoever loses, wins.

[sour harness]

Pois Gu: Each night, choose a player: they become an evil Pois Gu & you die instead.

[dusty thistle]

Is this supposed to kill n1?

[sour harness]

Savidiot: Each day, you may visit the Storyteller in private to learn 2 statements: 1 is true & 1 of the extras is drunk.

[dusty thistle]

I'm confused on how this isn't just a normal Savant.

[sour harness]

Al-Haint: Each night*, choose 3 players: your team loses.

[supple dirge]

Leviatox (demon) If more than 1 good player is executed, evil wins. All players know you are in play. Each day, if no one is executed, evil wins.

[tardy wyvern]

The other one might be true or false

[dusty thistle]

It can't be true, that would violate the first part of the ability. Exactly one has to be true.

[unkempt tangle]

Magunk: The demon thinks they are a townsfolk, but they are not

[sour harness]

Empionette: Each night, learn how many of your 2 alive neighbors are evil. [You neighbor the Demon]

[supple dirge]

Unjinxed Boffin drunk!

[sour harness]

Could do shugenjionette too

Hell's Angel: Something bad might happen to a new player.

[dusty thistle]

It's going to be drawing the Imp token, isn't it.

[unkempt tangle]

Every game of TB where I'm evil

[tardy wyvern]

Organist: All players keep their eyes closed for the first 2 minutes of each day.

[sour harness]

Heretic Grinder: Whoever wins, loses, & whoever loses, wins, even if you're dead. Each night, choose whether you are drunk or not.

Knightwoman: You start knowing 2 players, 1 of which is not the Demon.

[dusty thistle]

Thief

[sour harness]

Sagonner: If the Demon kills you, choose a player: they become an evil Demon of your choice. [No Demon]

[dense moat]

Courarmer (Townsfolk): Once per game, at night, choose a character: a chosen Demon swaps characters & alignments with you & is then poisoned.

[dusty thistle]

This is actually really interesting

[unkempt tangle]

Hell's Tinker: Something bad might happen at any time

[dense moat]

Farm Woman (Townsfolk): If there are 5 or more players alive & the Demon dies, an alive good player becomes a Farmer.

[tardy wyvern]

Gamblutz: Each night*, choose a player and guess their character. If you guess wrong, your team loses.

[dense moat]

Scarlot (Traveller): Each night*, choose a living player: if they agree, you become the Demon. (Travellers don't count.)

[dusty thistle]

Pixess (Townsfolk): On your first day, if you nominated and executed a player, you gain their ability.

[dry sluice]

Moron (minion): There are extra Outsiders in play: they are safe from the Demon.

[dense moat]

Xang: On night X, all Townsfolk are an evil Fang Gu & you die instead. [+1 Outsider]

Vigoble: You start knowing 3 players & poison 1 Townsfolk neighbor

Noief: Each night, choose a player: their Townsfolk neighbors are poisoned

Godgar: You must use a vote token to vote. If a dead player gives you theirs, choose a player tonight: they die. [-1 or +1 Outsider]

[tardy wyvern]

Mooner: When you learn that you died, publicly choose a dead player: if they are a Townsfolk, they are resurrected.

[dense moat]

Libolem: You start knowing that 1 of 2 players is not the Demon, they die.

[dense moat]

-# average knight game

[junior knot]

This does absolutely nothing without @sour harness choice-count homebrew

[sour harness]

Wait what does this have to do with me 😭

This is just a goon picker

[junior knot]

Virgtant: The 1st time you are nominated, if the nominator is a townsfolk they are executed. If anyone is "mad" this happened, they might be executed.

[dense moat]

Maysligner: Each day, after the 1st vote has been tallied, your team wins. If you die at night, you may choose a player that voted: they die

Ferryzard: Once per game, choose to make a wish. If granted, all dead players regain their vote token.

[unkempt tangle]

Gooner: the first time a player chooses you each night, they are drunk until dusk, and you become their alignment. If they are the demon, they die.

[lost thistle]

Politician (Demon): Each Night* choose a player: They Die. If you were the player most responsible for your team losing, choose three players instead.

[olive marsh]

we found the way to make politician feel even worse holy shit

[supple dirge]

Mariopath (Minion) You think you are a good character, but you are not. The Demon knows who you are. If executed, you only die if you lose roshambo.

[coarse fern]

Tinkool: You might die. You don’t.

[karmic rose]

sometimes I think about how I have the Tinker's ability in real life

[simple crystal]

Heretic Leader: whoever wins, loses & your team wins.

[tidal quiver]

idk might want to shorten the name to the "Tool"

[flat lintel]

all these are super creative

[dense moat]

Gardonk: The Storyteller is safe from the Demon

better idea

Gadinker: The Storyteller might die at any time

[sour harness]

Omw to make a character named gardonk

[junior knot]

Barmaster (Outsider): If you died today or tonight, the Demon may choose a player to swap with the Storyteller.

For when you have two STs who both want to run and one really sucks at roshambeau

[8/13]: take a Shakespeare quote: then describe/provide a botc script where that name would match the vibe

[junior knot]

Isn’t this a Star Wars guy?

[supple dirge]

Holy shit its Gardonk Shitto

"And thus I clothe my naked villainy
With odd old ends stol'n out of holy writ;
And seem a saint, when most I play the devil." - Trouble Brewing

[dense moat]

"The lady protests too much, me thinks"

A script with Yaggabable, Damsel, and maybe a madness role like Harpy

[junior knot]

HHR + Yag?

[tardy wyvern]

the thought of HHR + Yag existing is gross

[supple dirge]

The phrase is 'guys its a leviathan game'

[junior knot]

just make the levi announcement with an offscript atheist

and then wake the athiest and tell them they've become the evil yag

[karmic rose]

HHR already has a bootlegger to guarantee the Levi announcement

[junior knot]

(+ make minions)

[karmic rose]

🤓

[junior knot]

I don't see it on the official website, nor would it be relevant with solo levi

🤓 : factchecked

[tidal quiver]

It's specifically so that the courtier doesn't get confirmed and does exist despite everyone completely forgetting about it

I can find a source in a sec

[karmic rose]

#pickup-game-chat message

🤓

[junior knot]

ok well the official BOTC website one doesn't have it, unfortunately

[karmic rose]

yeah I think a few server folks complained about that LMAO

[tidal quiver]

Oh you found it while I was looking for it lol

[feral snow]

yeah I'm one of them

[junior knot]

so forgive me for not divining it from a random source

(this discord lol)

[karmic rose]

dw lol I hope the nerd emoji was enough to convey that I don't think anyone should be expected to know this off the top of their head

[junior knot]

would that still apply if it was no longer solo levi is the question though

being fundamentally better as a yag script, obviously, with all the forced talking

/j

[tidal quiver]

I mean HHR is balanced with it in mind but if you're just doing +yag then yes, I'd keep it

You have bigger issues if you're adding yag to HHR though

[junior knot]

well it would fix the lack of whimsy, and idk what other issues a script could possibly have other than that

ik @fast anchor would agree with me on that front

[tidal quiver]

HHR has a good bit of whimsy already but sure

[junior knot]

not as much as with yag

[tidal quiver]

pithag makes a damsel and you karma it right back and make the ph an evil damsel

True though

[junior knot]

but we buried the question with our hhr bootlegger discussion 😭

and its a fun one too! (i hope at least)

Anyone have any good suggestions for '[Exit, Pursued by a Bear]'?

[hollow oasis]

“The bear?”

Stock market themed Homebrew

[tidal quiver]

Hmm loud multi death script?

And no way of slowing down a Po or shab or something, just all killing evils and scrambling for information in the maybe 3-4 days you get

Oh maybe doomsayer

[fallow rapids]

I have neither the scholar’s melancholy, which is emulation; (Savant)
nor the musician’s, which is fantastical; (Choirboy)
nor the courtier’s, which is proud; (Courtier)
nor the soldier’s, which is ambitious; (Soldier)
nor the lawyer’s, which is politic; (Politician)
nor the lady’s, which is nice; (Tea Lady)
nor the lover’s, which is all these; (Empath)
but it is a melancholy of mine own, (Recluse)
compounded of many simples, (Bootlegger)
extracted from many objects, (Poisoner)
and indeed the sundry contemplation of my travels, (uhhh)
in which often my rumination wraps me (uh)
in a most humorous sadness. (i have no clue anymore)

instant teensy

[junior knot]

Rumination (Cerenovus) Humorus (Deviant)

[fallow rapids]

Bootlegger is that the someone has the King's ability in addition to their own and registers as the King

[junior knot]

Maybe contemplation is apprentice? or Savant

[fallow rapids]

because this Choirboy is a bit strange

[junior knot]

choirboy over minstrel?

[fallow rapids]

Fuck the Minstrel

[junior knot]

yk you want to

😉

[fallow rapids]

.

[junior knot]

Lawyer's could also be DA

[unkempt tangle]

Drunkermind: You think the game has ended, but it has not.

[karmic rose]

this is a great prompt

[dusty thistle]

So, I didn't do anything silly like, oh I don't know, balance, but this does have a MacBeth theme.

We have the Weird Sisters (Harpy, Witch, & Pit Hag), MacBeth himself (Baron), Lady MacBeth (Scarlet Woman), MacDuff (Noble), Banquo (Nightwatchman), and King Duncan (King)

Also, Sage references the title monologue.

[karmic rose]

was this perchance related to #1404603315106611303

[junior knot]

It was just a callback to this discussion

[karmic rose]

understandable

I think that discussion subliminally influenced me LMAO

[dusty thistle]

BTW Amy, I don't think you've submitted that script yet

[karmic rose]

that's correct lmao

I should do at least one of formatting/writeup/playtest

[dusty thistle]

Fair. I had to do a writeup for mine.

[karmic rose]

(ideally multiple of these)

[dusty thistle]

Well, good luck! This is a really tough field for my first scriptwriting contest.

Actually, its just a tough field.

[karmic rose]

yeah haha, being recognized in a contest/having a script breach containment is one of my clocktower bucket list items, but I'm definitely not there as a scriptwriter yet

(and even if I were, doing so is still really difficult)

[acoustic chasm]

just get lucky

[pliant grail]

I have not looked at any character twice on this script lol I have no idea if it's good