secret thing

[hollow oasis]

Essentially it is simultaneously toxic and meta, which sucks

[fierce reef]

Maiderchamb??

gosh i'm so bad at this

[pseudo fulcrum]

it's swapping the first sound of each syllable

so it would be Maimberchaid

[grizzled marsh]

By nominating yourself, you allow town to not worry about a fearmonger loss by killing you, which makes you more likely to be executed. I'm pretty sure that's how/why nominating yourself when you consider yourself to be a bad execution is a bad play. And if you are playing with people using this meta, this is your justification for not nominating yourself and now it's their fault if they lose by considering you being outed evil so worth killing

[peak adder]

@hollow oasis @grizzled marsh while I’m normally all for bouncing around between questions as the answers come to you, let’s focus on today’s question for today since yesterday’s discussion got more heated than is normal for this thread.

[hollow oasis]

alright, mb

[peak adder]

Thank you <3

The Keepenraver will dance to the beat, wave their hands together, come feel the heat, forever and forever

[fierce reef]

oh i hate that

[karmic rose]

bomb-zuul

[karmic rose]

tbh that's just the boom on that one vig/Zombuul script

[hollow oasis]

cyan axo? Pog!

[tacit fiber]

Nerdguy axo was always CEST she just stopped being minion

[hollow oasis]

Ohhh

Wait why give up that power

[tacit fiber]

ask her not me :3

[hollow oasis]

can I have it? 🥺

[pseudo fulcrum]

3/6: What is (in your opinion) the most useless reminder token?

[next marlin]

Damn guys, sometimes I forget that this guy just yelled "I'M THE GOBLIN" at the top of his lungs. Good thing I have this helpful "Claimed" token

[ivory ridge]

summoner "NIGHT 1" token is truly a token of time

[spiral pollen]

Undertaker "died today"

[fast anchor]

when there's like 9 noms and half of them claim goblin it can be useful 😭

[minor pier]

If Spy wasn't a thing on TB, so many 1st night info really wouldn't need reminder tokens. WW, Lib, Invest, Noble, Knight, Steward... just give the info and be done with it, like with Chef,FT, RK, etc. Unless you want to craft Savant info based on it or something.

[cyan reef]

the difference between Chef/FT/RK and the other ones is that Chef only has one answer and FT/RK are given in the moment, while for the other ones mentioned, there's a time gap between deciding what information is going to be shown and the actual showing of all the information

[cyan reef]

the real answer of course is the Goblin's reminder token

[sour harness]

Yeah I never use the summoner/levi/riot counters and sometimes skip xaan too

[sour harness]

I think it's fine for it to exist but also I never use it for zombuul or godfather

[karmic slate]

I think it’s useful for when you start Nigjt 2 and go “oh shoot I forgot to put that one down”

[karmic slate]

Witch cursed one because let’s be real they never kill /j

[cold veldt]

the real reason is cause Storytellers forget anyway

[tardy wyvern]

the vigormortis “Has Ability” token

[feral snow]

Similarly, the Zombuul “dead” token

[tardy wyvern]

I was about to comment on how useless the “died once” reminder token for Zombuul is but I think I accidentally Mandela Effected myself because that token just doesn’t exist

[feral snow]

It doesn’t exist

We just have some strong advocates for it in this server

[lean isle]

Yep, it's not real.
Like who needs it if you know that Zombuul is dead once, given that you shrouded Zombuul on Grim and didn't end the game?

MM is not real either

[cyan reef]

you don't shroud a registering dead Zombuul in the grim

the life token being flipped to dead on the town square is essentially the "reminder"

[lean isle]

True

[sour harness]

See I did that at first because I was told to

And then I went insane

So I just shroud the zombuul now

"how many players are alive" "hmm lemme count... 6" [zombuul player]: "no, there are FIVE alive, not 6" "oh uhh yeah uhhhh I was counting a traveler that's why I messed up yep mhm"

[grizzled marsh]

Same xd

[honest tide]

The fifth mathematician reminder

[grizzled marsh]

You clearly never ST'd a 15p SnV with vortox and math /hj

And barista if you want to turn this into a serious comment

[barren zenith]

?

[karmic rose]

not a reminder, but I've never used that fourth imp token

[hollow oasis]

Actually there should be 6

No

7

Vigor 3

Philo 1

Sweetheart 1

[honest tide]

But like

[barren zenith]

And a second demon in the No Dashii lol

[honest tide]

When is this happening? Like practically

[hollow oasis]

Pithag 2(the new demon failed to kill(good), and so did the vigor

[honest tide]

Because all that poison needs to effect the ability

[hollow oasis]

That makes it 9

[honest tide]

Like I know it can happen but it doesn’t really happen in games that often

[hollow oasis]

Just in case

[honest tide]

I haven’t seen it go above 3 personally (besides vortox but at that point you’re giving bs anyway)

[hollow oasis]

I have outside of SNV

(I tend to swap chambermaid for math on BMR)

[fast anchor]

I shroud the zombuul sideways

[hollow oasis]

In my funny custom scripts

Paradox please tell me you see the vision in BMR “math 7”

[fast anchor]

that's just lunar eclipse

[foggy grotto]

would math cook on BMR

[fast anchor]

it'd cook the evil team yeah

[karmic slate]

On a custom script sure but I thought you meant you just sub out a chambermaid for Math

[hollow oasis]

I mean yea

[karmic slate]

To which part

https://tenor.com/view/gato-withrock-gif-27341353

[hollow oasis]

no that'

s exactly what I meant

[karmic slate]

Bro no

Put chambermaid back

[hollow oasis]

no

[karmic slate]

:(

[hollow oasis]

It's a custom script tho

but it's just BMR with Math for CM

[karmic slate]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-attack-gif-12798710424551752432

[fast anchor]

get him paradox

[hollow oasis]

This is why I "pretend" I have offshore accounts

[iron scarab]

i think you cant just get rid of chambermaid for math

you have to use Something Completely Different, like tea lady or innkeeper

i dont think anyone liked innkeeper anyway

fyf ass tf

[hollow oasis]

no but innkeeper is actually interesting in a CM enviroment

[iron scarab]

we replace CM with bounty hunter

[hollow oasis]

no

[iron scarab]

hear me out

exhibit A

[hollow oasis]

BH shouldn't go anywhere lol

[iron scarab]

exhibit A

think about it

boffin is basically BH but the evil townsfolk is actually a demon

also BMR needs more FYF townsfolks

and BH is literally better Hunt /j

i will only take positive comments

[ebon idol]

i know i wrote a script around it but boffin with bmr character is so so ass in my opinion

like in bmr specifically it makes me cry

[junior knot]

Boffin tea lady between two goods; innkeeper is one of them, who keeps protecting the boffin and exorcist

[sour harness]

Make the Boffin drunk

[junior knot]

But but but meta

[supple dirge]

[6/4] Make a boffin amnesiac ability, or make an alchemist boffin amnesiac ability

[grizzled marsh]

Boffin amne: EN* if you nominated a player yesterday, you learn their role
Alch boffin amne: evil players don't know who the minions are (demon doesn't get info, minions only know who the demon is)

[acoustic chasm]

Boffin Amnesiac: Each night*, make a fake Alhadikhia announcement (it was a Shabaloth game)

[wooden igloo]

Boffin amne: on your first night. Choose a player they will become amnesiac and poisoned

[junior knot]

Alch boffin Amne: EN* choose a number of players equal to number of demon kills. If good, they cannot die by execution tomorrow, if evil they are poisoned. This ability might go before or after the Demon in the night order. 😏

[grizzled marsh]

That's just a free gift, then you get another ability because boffin says not in play

[karmic rose]

Alch-Boffin Amnesiac: each night, choose a player (different to previous nights). Chosen outsiders are poisoned.

[supple dirge]

Would be really fun with a damsel lol

[fleet hedge]

I still don't get why Alch Boffin doesn't learn the demon's ability

[dense moat]

The reasons I can think of

1. it makes the Demon a sitting duck if they get something obvious, like Virgin or NWM
2. It makes the Demon way more paranoid to claim or use the Boffin power

But I don’t think either fully explains it. Especially since Boffin paranoia does sound like it could have some uses

[fleet hedge]

If you're giving NWM that is using Alchemist as an Outsider

[zenith lotus]

not if the alch learns the ability

[fleet hedge]

The point is they don't

There is a jinx

[dense moat]

In current one, maybe?

But the point is the if Alch knows it’s NWM & the Demon uses it, then things get bad for the Demon

[zenith lotus]

you asked why the alch didnt learn the ability

[fleet hedge]

I did

[zenith lotus]

if they did learn the ability, that can happen

it is a response to your question

[fleet hedge]

And when they don't, they are an outsider?

[dense moat]

I will say I don’t really have a good idea why

[zenith lotus]

when they give NWM specifically

[dense moat]

My only guesses were the reasons I mentioned

[zenith lotus]

depending on jinx/unjinxed, different abilities have different power levels

[dense moat]

And maybe it’s also just a thing where TPI doesn’t want Alch to be an info role?

[fleet hedge]

Alchemist-Boffin is very situational and them being on a script together requires a solid number of negative utility Boffin abilities like Soldier in an Imp game, Amnesiac, etc.

I just feel like it's much more fun if the Alchemist has a general idea of how they've messed with the demon and the jinx feels weirdly unnecessary

[dense moat]

I guess its weird, because Alch-Boffin really fucks withthe Demon's bluff space, since they dont know if a Boffin power is safe

And if they ever guess wrong, then they may just lose the game

But if they dont claim the Boffin role in some cases, that nerfs Boffin much harder

[supple dirge]

They mention nightwatchman and alchemist instantly solving the game being unfun as the reason for the jinx in the reveal stream. For most abilities you'd actually want to give a demon with alchemist boffin like damsel, poppygrower, butler it doesn't seem necessary. But yeah also the risk the demon doesn't talk/know their minions and treats the boffin ability as a bluff.

[fleet hedge]

See that feels strange because Alch Boffin Nightwatchman is bad either way

[dense moat]

And yeah, you could let the Minion do the Boffin bluff

But then you drastically reduce the power to use confirmation abilities, since those now find the Demon

[fleet hedge]

The jinx doesn't fix Alch Boffin Nightwatchman and arguably makes it worse

[dense moat]

Its more about fixing Boffin and preventing that from sucking

[fleet hedge]

Yeah that makes sense

[dense moat]

Also, side tangent, but if you like Alch Boffin, then you might also like Shinobi by Temporary. Shinobi is an HB character that adjusts an ability to give the Minions when they die

#1242448710617661440 message

[fleet hedge]

Tbh if you're putting Boffin and Nightwatchman on a script in the first place that's a pretty awful combination

[dense moat]

The idea is Shinobi wants to make the ability suck a lot, then give it to evil & force them to keep it

[fleet hedge]

"Once per game, at night, choose a player: they learn that you're the Demon (or the Nightwatchman)."

[dense moat]

I mean, it can theoretically work in some circumstance

Risky to be sure, but you can do it

[fleet hedge]

It just takes away the Nightwatchman's purpose

It has a similar vibe as Spy misregistering to themself to fuck over a Washerwoman

[dense moat]

huh?

[ebon idol]

I think this is an STing/Script issue in terms of it being used against good tbh

But as others said it can just end the game in certain spots, like for example ach-boffin-butler, good vote tracking = just a win. I don't think it's a really fun play pattern

But also like alch-boffin giving the demon the NWM ability is also a bit questionable even if the jinx didn't exist

[ebon idol]

I mean this is just how boffin interacts with anything with any form of potential confirmation, it's kinda it's thing

Lastly boffin specifically learns an out of play role, it's a free bluff, alch boffin without the jinx is akin to learning one of the (four in this case) demon bluffs + check for signs of that role

which is kinda icky imo

[tardy wyvern]

the thing with alch boffin is knowing the fact that the demon has a townsfolk ability is still important for world building

[foggy grotto]

*or outsider

[karmic rose]

yeah, there are a few alch-boffin abilities where knowing the exact ability granted would just out the demon

[dense moat]

6/5: Fpr those of you have built scripts, how would you descirbe your proccess? What sot of things inspire you to make scripts? What characters do you like to use together?

[ebon idol]

I usually just come up with an idea or vibe I want and go from there, usually starting from the minions/demons and then building everything else around it

When I have a full idea completed I send it to a few ppl I trust about scripts for feedback

Usually I am inspired by what I would want to play

And in terms of characters, whatever characters work best is the easy answer, but in general I enjoy more social characters, and dislike any vizier/atheist/wizard/etc characters. I also kinda dislike conversion

[fleet hedge]

I read that as you dislike conversation

[sour harness]

• step 0: have an idea. a script wont work if it's just a collection of characters. you can center a script around one particular character if you want, or around 2-3 characters (my general preference), or around a certain type of gameplay (e.g. bluffing really hard). there's a lot of ideas to be had, and while not everything is gonna make a good script, a lot will
• step 1: evil team. I always start with the evil team, because I need to know what town is going up against. after possibly locking in 1-4 characters as "core" based on the script idea, i'll generally start by going through the demons and choosing some that fit the concept best. Sometimes i start with the minions, it depends on the script. then i finish off the other category of evil characters. it's rare that i edit the evil team after moving on, and even rarer that i move onto building town before it's finished
• step 2: fabled. it's around now that i know which fabled a script needs, if any. the only thing id really add sooner or later is stormcatcher, which would be step 0, or at the very end. Fabled usually cover for what the evil team lacks: if I couldn't fit on outsider mod, i'll add a sentinel, etc. sometimes i'll go back and edit this later
• step 3: outsiders. these can also cover for what the evil team is missing, though it's trickier. it's around now that scripts start to feel restricted enough to take shape. sometimes i won't even see enough outsiders i'm satisfied with for the given evil team, and i'll have to make a compromise somewhere or just restart. finishing off the outsiders means i know exactly what the good team is fighting, and i can finally start adding...
• step 4: townsfolk. I usually just scroll through the list of tf and add whatever doesn't break, because usually there are less than 15 of them. between the core script idea, and making sure interactions with every evil character are good, there's often little freedom.
• steps 5-10: go back through the script and iterate

[feral snow]

Hystrex thank you

I’ve been meaning to write like exactly this forever

[fast anchor]

a third guest post has hit the squall substack sir

[feral snow]

lol maybe I get Hystrex in on the next one

My issue is that I can’t decide which one I want to write next so I’m just not doing any of them

[sour harness]

im down

[sour harness]

btw literally an hour ago i did exactly this

well, steps 6-8

[feral snow]

Yeah I did almost exactly that a few days ago

Currently on step 7

[sour harness]

i had done 0-5 already

and the evil team didnt change!!! and i only changed one outsider

which is to say, yes i actually follow this pattern

(i swapped out 6 tf)

[feral snow]

Yeah step 6 was one character swap

[junior knot]

(step 0 could also include a djinnlegger if you're inspired by GoD contest)

[iron scarab]

step 1: hit that randomize button
step 2: sort the script (makes it tidy)
step 3: give it a good name! first impressions count for everything
step 4: add SOI

[hollow oasis]

1:have an idea

2:add everything that pertains to that idea

3:realize this doesn’t work, modify idea

4:repeat 2-3 until balanced

5:add filler

[junior knot]

1: Learn about a scriptbuilding Sin
2: Figure out all the interactions which exacerbate it
3: Fill in with random other bad interactions
4: Drive the council insane
5: ?
6: Profit

[supple dirge]

I often start with a general idea, like Xaan script, wizard script, high power script, script with loud demons changing. Start with a few core characters and build around them. Add more characters and get a general feel for the kind of script I want like more social roles or more direct hard info, how strong of info I want, what are the reasons for good players to distrust their own info, how hard is it to solve the evil team etc. Fill out the rest of the script, stare at the script for a few hours making changes till I think I've ironed out any glaring issues and its ready to play.

[gusty bear]

My scripts tend to be weird and focus on specific interactions with one or two demons, so the answer is usually come up with an interesting and novel set of interactions on a script (yaggababble/lm with minions like witch and godfather, ojo/vigormortis, lleech hosting minions) and then try to arrange the minions and outsiders to support those demons (townsfolk aren’t real)

[karmic rose]

scriptbuilding steps:

1. start with a fun interaction or core concepts
2. add 2-3 characters of each type that build around that
3. add remaining characters to fill such that nothing breaks too badly
4. add fabled as needed
5. use one of the automated script checkers, smooth out any funky interactions they find
6. forget about the script for a month
7. return to it, tinker with the same 3 solutions to the main pitfall i found, and realize it wasn't that workable of an idea in the first place
8. go run BMR instead

[sour harness]

I almost spit out my food

[sour harness]

Same thing but not almost

[junior knot]

I thought you already knew my process

[sour harness]

Yes but seeing it written out is different

[karmic rose]

context: the script idea i'm currently toying with is just "can the engineer work on a non-atheist script"

[valid garden]

1. Think of a thematic cohesion (e.g. Fairytales, Gothic Lit, &c.)
2. Fail to find mechanical cohesion
3. Give up.

[tacit fiber]

Gothic Lit? ...the font scripts are wirtten in? what

am I misremembering

[valid garden]

No like Lit(erature) of the Gothic Variety

Frankenstein, Dracula, Jekyll & Hyde, etc

[tacit fiber]

ah

[sour harness]

Ur thinking Trade Gothic LT

[coarse fern]

1. Make script

Idk it’s pretty easy y’all

[fast anchor]

1. have an idea
2. make a really bad script
3. go to clocktower.live, throw together some random bags, find out what doesn't work
4. cut the crap, make it better, repeat
5. after sufficient repetitions, unleash into the wild. what worked? what didn't? more refinement, discuss with people
6. good script (hopefully)

[torpid mist]

1. have an idea
2. get to an interaction you feel unsure about
3. ask csd "so what do we think of x and y?"
4. get told 7 different opinions
5. flip a coin
6. repeat 2-5 any number of times
7. post
8. somehow Clockmaker/Invest materializes out of nowhere
9. never scriptbuild again

[acoustic chasm]

1. have an idea
2. gather together 2-4 characters to act as a "core"
3. try and add a character that isnt core, build off that.
4. If by the halfway point the script is missing something important (Reason for evil to die at night, Outsider mofification, droison...), try and work back to the core and pick another character.
5. Repeat 3) and 4) until you either give up on the core, or you have a good starting script.

[wooden igloo]

1. have an idea
2. dunno what to do
3. Rinse and repeat

[ivory ridge]

step 1: have a cool idea that i want to build around
step 2: make a script center around it, normally starting from demon -> minion -> outsider -> tf
step 3: as you go through the option, check to make sure the script have all the necessary tool, such as misinformation, outsider count, bluffability, night death, etc.
step 4: post the idea into csd and see if there are any potential flaw
step 5: "what do you mean the script have been done before?"
step 6: return to step 1

[fast anchor]

6/6: We've had a little over two years of this thread! What's your favorite question (and discussion that's been sparked as a result) that's been asked here?

[iron scarab]

cat owl

[coarse fern]

Any day now it’ll enter the zeitgeist

[barren zenith]

This question is clearly my favourite. Such a classic, dates back to 8 minutes ago. Utter brilliance.

[karmic rose]

bold of you to imply that I can form memories

[dense moat]

The list of Christmas presents. That one rocked

[fast anchor]

that's what I was thinking

that was a good question

[barren zenith]

Oh yeah, that was good

[karmic rose]

I do like any of the "assign personality traits to characters"

[sour harness]

Seconding this. It feels like it's been a whole 13 minutes already. Truly brilliant

[dense moat]

does anyone have the Cinema react?

[sour harness]

With every minute that passes, that legendary question feels just one more minute older

Really adds to the nostalgia, you know?

[coarse fern]

This answer WAS a banger

So I will agree with gifts

[zenith lotus]

the whole "make a wall and then turn it into occultist" was hilarious

[sour harness]

THAT WAS SO GOOD

[iron scarab]

do you have a link

[zenith lotus]

^

[sour harness]

My favorite of the secret thing questions across the past 2 years is, of course, 6/6/2025, in which discord user axolator asked, "6/6: We've had a little over two years of this thread! What's your favorite question (and discussion that's been sparked as a result) that's been asked here?" Can you believe it's been 2 years already? However, my SECOND favorite of these wonderful questions has to have been squall's question on 2/7/2025, asking us to write up a paragraph or so and have it abruptly morph into talking about the Occultist, an Outsider from The Bootlegger's Anthology by Elluna, which has to be mad about learning something new every day to avoid execution, but as an upside can learn a fact once per game. These were really funny! There was some creativity in how people would pivot, but ultimately it was a good joke to see repeated, and it didn't get old just because it was there several times in quick succession. It's really cool what the community has done. It's great that we have this channel to ask a new question every single day, just like how the Occultist asks the storyteller for information every day in hopes of learning their fact

[iron scarab]

thanks

[digital drum]

Gave +1 Thanks to @zenith lotus (current: #401 - 121)

[dense moat]

[next marlin]

re. gifts question this is what got me to actually write https://discord.com/channels/569683781800296501/1362851992120070346 to the extent that it's written

[versed junco]

I can tell now when Occultist is going to be mentioned based on the length of the message alone

[feral snow]

I’m so glad you liked it! I totally thought it was gonna be a shitty throwaway joke that no one else found funny

[sharp violet]

I like all the whale bucket questions

[ebon idol]

Honestly idk I black out every time I enter this thread

[pseudo fulcrum]

Take a character name and remove/replace/add 1 letter

Thigh Priestess is too good

[sharp violet]

How about Pot

[feral snow]

Pog

[sour harness]

Poo

[dense moat]

The evil despicable maniacal P

[sour harness]

o

[sharp violet]

Night

Butter

Jiggler

Happy

Region

[cold veldt]

Hater

[sharp violet]

Tinder

[barren zenith]

Bacon

[sour harness]

Took me a while to figure out bacon

[coarse fern]

Got em

[cold veldt]

i literally went through the script tool going like wtf

[sour harness]

oh i went through the emojis

[dense moat]

Puttingthis for refernce

Also damn, Axo makes the best questions

[ebon idol]

Pearmonger

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/801836749705052200/1368067755491983451/Icon_pearmonger.png?ex=68445ba2&is=68430a22&hm=dae3ea0128095ac3850e79357f74b0045f7654a2f9156211f6de5b56044d2c5e&

[supple dirge]

Vortex

[tidal quiver]

Fang G. is actually my name

[supple dirge]

I really liked hearing the stories from to my question about your group's 'incident'. That was a lot of fun

[tidal quiver]

no way Lizard is my favorite character

[dense moat]

Lord o Typhon

Lore of Typhon

[fleet hedge]

Tinker ❌

Stinker ✅

[karmic slate]

https://tenor.com/view/emma-frost-vanguard-marvel-marvel-rivals-xmen-gif-9772396085561170672

[naive flame]

Trouble Brewing

• Swap Spy to Widow :3

[coarse fern]

That’s from 11 months ago mate

Wait

I’m confused now

I don’t think I can count anymore

[karmic rose]

hahah did you see today's prompt

[fast anchor]

who's gonna tell him that's not what the prompt means

[coarse fern]

Let me live in my delusion I beg

[tidal quiver]

what do you mean, surely it's either October 7th or July 10

!remindme 48960

[karmic rose]

what's getting me is that I actually do remember a bunch of these... I've been hanging out here longer than I thought

[coarse fern]

Yeah same

[cold veldt]

twinker

[karmic rose]

happy pride month

[6/7] which character has the best bumper sticker on their car, and what does it say?

[junior knot]

Drunk: You're not you when you're sober

(snickers reference)

[yes they get pulled over a lot]

[dense moat]

Let me Axe you a question

Bweakfast (it’s a sticker on their toy car)

[karmic rose]

I'm unreasonably tempted to draw lil Monsta driving a malevolent lil tyke car

[dense moat]

https://tenor.com/view/doja-cat-star-wars-gif-25078126

[karmic rose]

unfortunately my art skills are very middling

[versed junco]

So are the lil Monsta's driving skills

[junior knot]

:

[foggy grotto]

definitely has their car filled to the brim with political stickers but they’re all across the political spectrum

[feral snow]

PLEASE

I loved this thing as a kid

there's no bottom so you push yourself around with your feet

[dense moat]

Steven Medway’s IP address and credit card number

[junior knot]

https://tenor.com/view/flintstone-car-gif-5742966888834476536

[supple dirge]

'My other car is your car'

[barren zenith]

just sticks their own licence suspension letter to the back of their car with tape

[supple dirge]

Klutz

[muted crescent]

The Tomb -> The Womb

[sour harness]

Nah nah The Comb

With characters such as Hairdresser and Brush

Ben Burns said a bunch of stuff in specspoilers yesterday so I know this is true 😎

[supple dirge]

6/8 Write a clocktower inspired haiku

5/7/5 syllables

All unseen secrets
Thank god I'm the Occultist
And I learn one fact

[sour harness]

My ability
Is to register as five
Syllables

[cold veldt]

Can't wait for Midnight
GoS is looking cool
What the fuck is "Tomb"?

[iron scarab]

think ill kill this guy
the banshee has awoken
shit wtf dude

[sharp violet]

I’m Amnesiac
Want to know what I have learned?
Cold Cold Cold Cold Cold

2 plus 2 is 5
There is a Vortox in play
But nobody’s exed

[feral snow]

Philo-Atheist
We finally solved the game
Hidden Heretic

[ebon idol]

I will visit house
ahh, you are this character
i am fucking dead

[ivory ridge]

silk sash, soft fragrance
ears sweetened, the mayor's tongue
spoiled elderberries.

[fast anchor]

2 demons in play
Shame that in between them's a
Philo empath 2

[supple dirge]

Be me, the mutant.
Cerenovus picked you:
Mad as mutant. Fuck.

[torpid mist]

An Ode to Catfishing

Last night I awoke
To get my Dreamer info
"You are the Fang Gu"

[feral snow]

“What’s the worst script”
“Fuck you” said the fuck you guy
Rejoice. I have won.

[karmic rose]

vizier is announced
I'm alchemist godfather
subpar bag-building

based on a true story

evil did not win

[feral snow]

I fixed my haiku
You can remove your reacts
Okay? You’re welcome

[coarse fern]

Hey I’m the mez
Give a player my mez word
They are the damsel

[warm star]

I am the Pit-Hag
I made a new Outsider
The good team has won

[supple dirge]

"I am a minion,
this player is the damsel!"
"Good has won the game"

[warm star]

Got done with Night 1
Day 1, Slayer shoots Demon
Now I'm reracking

[next vault]

🇪🇸

Tu trabajo ebrio,
El demonio descubro
Si fortuna hay

🇬🇧

Your work may be drunk,
The demon I discover
If fortune does smile

[sterile copper]

Storyteller died
Storyteller has died again
All wins never last

[warm star]

I was the Demon
I got snake charmed on Night 1
Curse you Alejo!

[sour harness]

You are the Fang Gu
You are on the evil team
Now good Snake Charmer

[hollow oasis]

Start as Paci

[warm star]

I'm the Boomdandy
I just got executed
I'm the puzzledrunk

[hollow oasis]

Player does not live

Framed as DA

[warm star]

(inspired by a real game I saw: https://youtu.be/9jcZCO3vB68?t=910)

[hollow oasis]

Wait someone did this already

damnt

[sterile copper]

A lesson to learn
If more votes than there are good
An evil voted

[minor pier]

Make a character
Doesn't work so start anew
Homebrewing is hard

[supple dirge]

Demon: No Minions,
but can turn players evil...
Homebrewing is hard

[versed junco]

"Each night, pick player:
They may die or maybe not-
Good homebrew"- Reddit

[primal crescent]

@magic halo i think you'd like today's prompt lmao

[dry sluice]

Vigormortis, Witch,
Sage, Seamstress, Savant, Dreamer,
Artist, Clockmaker

[wooden igloo]

I got empath 1
I tell the town empath 1
I am marionette

-Pies baking chronicles

[warm star]

Isn't that third line 6 syllables?

[junior knot]

I'm the Mario
Get my neighbor "Recluse" killed
It was my demon 😭

[acoustic chasm]

"I am Spartacus"
A true Fall of Rome moment
"I am Spartacus"

[karmic rose]

[6/9] what's the dumbest/silliest ST mistake you've ever made?

[next marlin]

I've STed two slayer wins and in one of them I remembered the slayer was sweetheart-drunk in the middle of the grim reveal

[fleet hedge]

I think I've let the Chambermaid choose a dead player who died that night about 5 times

[viscid citrus]

the legendary baron [+1 outsider] gaming

[versed junco]

inactive baron

[lean isle]

Gave in-play character for Demon bluff., which resulted in peak triple claim on MM day.

[iron scarab]

the imp chose to kill the recluse -- i killed the spy by accident

this one will always haunt me

[versed junco]

it's okay the recluse registered as the spy

[fast anchor]

Let a poisoned Slayer shoot the demon dead

[feral snow]

I let a Pukka kill on a Minstrel night, immediately realized my mistake, put them to sleep, and rewoke them and said “hey I actually lied X did not die”

See also the chef 3 incident but that wasn’t my fault

[supple dirge]

A few times I've mixed up who was who in the grim and have had to rerack immediately. Once I pointed the demon to the wrong minion and everyone thought he was the lunatic. That was fun and very dumb

[sour harness]

One time I forgot to send out the widow ping so I framed the hell out of the player that got it n2 (and then forgot to shroud players after like 2 executions and gave them game winning info)

[karmic rose]

I've swapped a demon and their neighbor's token by accident, waking the neighbor up on night 1 and giving them bluffs... luckily their neighbor was the Pit-Hag

the demon was in the bathroom when I went around collecting tokens, and a few seats down the line, someone flagged me and reminded me to grab their token... I put it into the wrong spot on the Grim

[next marlin]

Oh yeah I should've mentioned the Double Widow Ping too

(forgot to send out the widow ping until after the widow fakeclaimed one)

[honest tide]

Not me but I think just as a game balance thing: BMR I was the professor (grandchild) we execute and resurrect my grandmother and I wake up dead. Because of night order I know the gossip is confirmed and the gossip had to be true

Which meant it had to be like one of 4 people

And we had 4 hard confirmed players by day 2

Also I don’t make ST mistakes I’m perfect 😎

[karmic rose]

"the yag phrase is 'legion game'"

[grizzled marsh]

With my big experience of 4 ST'd games : choosing the red herring after waking up the FT, two games in a raw

[wooden igloo]

I just remember that i forgot to put red herring and FT confused asf

[honest tide]

OK BUT THAT WASNT AN ST MISTAKE THAT WAS JUST UNLUCKY

[foggy grotto]

was playing a kazali teensy with toymaker and there weren’t enough bluffs, so i gave the role the drunk saw as a bluff. the demon decided to pick exactly that bluff

i forgot i could have just made the role that the minion was turned into as a bluff

[ebon idol]

I don't make mistakes. Ever.

At f3con when running pearly gates, I almost woke up the empath to give them information before I got the demon kill (Because the SW woke to learn they were the demon, and I registered that as "the demon killed") but @fast anchor literally ran towards me to prevent it lmfao

[feral snow]

Oh shit I remember another dumb mistake

I was running https://discord.com/channels/569683781800296501/1367902399351623690 using pocket grimoire.

The Huntsman neighboured the Damsel and I fucked up and switched their tokens in the Grimoire. I woke the Damsel and insisted they were the Huntsman for a while n1. I cleared it up n2 under the pretense that I had a bunch of random tokens in the grimoire because of wizard/pocket grimoire shenanigans (they’ve never used PG) and they swore not to meta me. The real huntsman never chose them so it was fine but really really embarrassing

[tidal quiver]

I love making a fool of myself and sharing this story: my first time STing in person, I dropped the grim and all the tokens flew everywhere and I had to privately ask everyone what they were so I could put the grim together while also dying of embarrassment

There's a reason new STs should give that "I'm learning at the same time as you, sorry if I make mistakes" spiel

[dry sluice]

The first time I ST'd, I woke up a Townsfolk and gave them info before remembering to wake the Poisoner... and of course the Poisoner pointed to the one player who'd already gotten correct info... and I did this two games in a row

[sour harness]

i used to do that so much

[karmic rose]

wake demon
oh
wake exorcist

[versed junco]

briefly thought that was another haiku

[karmic rose]

wake the demon first
I made a common mistake
wake the exorcist

[lost thistle]

Each day you must be
mad about something that’s new
Thats The Occultist

[supple dirge]

Give player info,
Oops, should've woke demon first,
Tell them "ignore that"

[karmic slate]

When tne moon hits your eye…

[versed junco]

it hurts!

[sour harness]

Forgot to add shrouds
After each execution
Free info, I guess

This is my single most common st mistake 😭

[ivory ridge]

so i have this tendency to fake stuff for suspension

[supple dirge]

One time I forgot to add a shroud for the day's execution and killed down to 2 with pit-hag. I felt so bad about that. I make sure to always add it now

[ivory ridge]

such as rechecking grimoire to see if someone die in snv (there is no witch in play) or virgin check (virgin is also a bluff)

so one day i flew too close to the sun and fake that the game is over after the snake charmer fake philo pick

anyway they philo pick the demon and the demon thought the sc was pit hag to the klutz and cheer

they got 11 votes on them afterward

there are 11 players

[karmic rose]

truly that's flying too close to the sun

[feral snow]

This was like a week ago

I was in that game

I don’t like that you’re calling the klutz the philo

I dislike even more that our group is so well know for associating the two that no one questioned it

[next marlin]

I actually had no idea what he meant and was waiting for him to explain but assumed there was some philo-sc situation

[feral snow]

No the snake charmer claimed klutz as a joke and happened to choose the demon

[next marlin]

"so like...the philo-sc chose the demon, and the philo-turned-demon thought the game ended during the night, because mizu pretended it did"

[next marlin]

yeah that makes much more sense

[feral snow]

But anyways they said evil wins, the demon cheered, we were all confused and then they were like “just kidding” and then the demon was immediately executed

[karmic rose]

oh I was wondering lol

[ivory ridge]

oh yeah change every philo pick into klutz pick

and it make sense

it was confusing because there is a philo sc

[muted crescent]

The infamous accidentally saying the role instead of name deal

Like "Chef- I mean Zack nominates Izzy"

[cold veldt]

this is why I exclusively play with people named after botc characters

[supple dirge]

Good old Bobby alchemist-boffin-alchemist-marionette-snake Charmer

[shrewd cloud]

I’ve accidentally woken the wrong person when starting to ST in person and it’s always been a bit awkward

Also had a very funny moment during a round robin where I was helping to push it along and accidentally said a player’s character instead of their name

Thankfully they were a dead player who was already essentially confirmed but me going “Washerwom- I mean (name)” was a super oops moment

[dry sluice]

I frequently refer to players by their (claimed) role when STing. "If you want to execute your Empath you will need 4 votes"

[junior knot]

I accidentally held the grim upside down for my first 15 player game of TB

So that was confusing

[supple dirge]

How did all the tokens not fall out /s

[pseudo fulcrum]

who needs felt-backed tokens when you can have velcro-backed tokens

[acoustic chasm]

that's cursed

[supple dirge]

I love hearing that velcro rip sound 35 times each night

[pseudo fulcrum]

It'll be great when the Engineer makes Legion

[karmic rose]

[6/10] make a bad bootlegger rule (bonus points if somewhat subtle)

[sour harness]

[all Minions are Devil's Advocate]

[feral snow]

[All Townsfolk are the Washerwoman]

[tidal quiver]

I liked the 'subtley' part

[nimble rose]

When you learn you died, you may pay the ST $20 to live instead

[tidal quiver]

"Nominators become their nominee's role immediately before execution"

maybe better worded as "Before execution, the executee's nominator becomes their role"

idk it's kinda clunky

[karmic rose]

it is restored

[dense moat]

Once per game, the Storyteller runs the game using Chat GPT until dusk

[tidal quiver]

short and sweet: [+1 good riot]

[karmic rose]

once per game, a random public action is honored

[dense moat]

Every player on an odd numbered seat is a Marionette to players on even numbered seat [Marionettes may neighbor anyone]

[tidal quiver]

I was born for this question, I've got so many in my back pocket

[karmic rose]

3 hour games incoming

[feral snow]

All players may make wishes that help the winning team

[tidal quiver]

"The ojo's ability is: 'Each night* pick a character: if in play, you swap roles and alignments with that player, then die' "

[tidal quiver]

this actually sounds fun

[karmic rose]

the no dashii poisons living townsfolk neighbors

[dense moat]

“The Ojo’s ability is “Each night*, choose a character: the Sage dies [Your token is a middle finger]”

[feral snow]

it's subtly bad

that's the fun part

[karmic rose]

is it like the currently winning team?

[tidal quiver]

I think it could actually be balanced with a mythological perfect storyteller

[feral snow]

yeah it's only granted if it helps the team the storyteller thinks is winning

which is actually way cooler than I thought it was

but also the monkey's paw curls

actually

no in the spirit of the question let'

let's make this fabled suck

uih

the wish is always granted, but twisted to help the winning team

there you go

[karmic rose]

actually I think the original can quickly become a toxic meta

[lost thistle]

the first nomination always fails to execute

[tidal quiver]

it encourages a million immediate wishes from both teams but eh

[supple dirge]

If a vote is tied at the end of the day, all players with the most votes are executed.

[karmic rose]

Every time someone is on the block, everyone wishes for the ST to say something if the person on the block is a good execution for the good team

[feral snow]

I like how you don't need a majority so if no one gets votes everyone is executed simultaneously

[karmic rose]

Each night*, the demon additionally chooses someone to become an evil minion [no minions]

[fast anchor]

All good players have the Occultist's ability in addition to their own

[dense moat]

Players who don't applaud when the Storyteller annouces deaths might die too

[karmic rose]

i said "bad"

[dense moat]

amy things th ST arbitrarily killing players is fine

/j.

[primal crescent]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Also shall I start pinning the prompts

[dense moat]

all of them?

/hj

[primal crescent]

“Start”

😭

I.e. from today’s prompt onwards

[junior knot]

Dead Heretics have no ability. All outsiders are Heretics.

(its a solo legion script)

Oh dang, I have a better one:
All minions are Poisoners.
(It's LM/LoT/Legion/Recluse)

[karmic rose]

recluse as the 4th demon goes crazy

[grizzled marsh]

all evil players can privately ask the ST to learn which players are minions and demons

[junior knot]

Hey this actually helps evil travelers

or any +evils

[junior knot]

@hollow oasis It's your Cult Leader buff you need

[grizzled marsh]

What's the story? 😭

[junior knot]

He's the only one I know of who adamantly plays Exclusively for the good team

[karmic rose]

dang someone actually plays cult leader???

[hollow oasis]

This is true

[junior knot]

Also fucks over the poppygrower, which is fun

And magician, to a lesser extent

[karmic rose]

funni faux paw interaction

[dry sluice]

Rather than electing an executee, the town elects a leader who chooses which player is executed.*

*To minimize the evil team's vote advantage, the leader election uses the method described in https://web.math.princeton.edu/~nalon/PDFS/coin1p.pdf section 2.

[supple dirge]

I think we should implement the electoral college into Ravenswood bluff

[acoustic chasm]

The Stormcaught player has the Cult Leader ability in addition to their own.

[muted crescent]

All Storyteller decisions are randomized.
It's a recluse script.

[karmic rose]

i've played random decisions st once, for the meme.... it was funny, but probably not worth playing again

[main axle]

The living player on the Clocktower with their token closest to where the hour hand points cannot die.

Brings about the “wait 59 minutes” before nominations meta.

[junior knot]

yagga/recluse/spy/wizard/gossip script right?

[warm star]

The Mezepheles ability works as long as the Mezepheles was alive, sober, and healthy at the time the good player said the word, even if executed that day

The Mastermind ability triggers on any Demon death, not just death by executions

[junior knot]

I love how this can be read to overwrite the 1st player limit on Mez

[warm star]

I didn't even intend that. That makes it even "better"

[cedar sky]

One good player chooses one player each night. That player can nominate twice tomorrow.

[coarse fern]

each night* the script changes and all evil players may choose new evil characters to be. Good players do not know this bootlegger is in play

[cedar sky]

So pebbles gets "fire" reacts but not me? Ok I get it you all hate me. /j

[ivory ridge]

so true

[karmic rose]

spy/gossip/Shab/mayor/gossip/pacifist all were

[junior knot]

Ok but randomized Ojo miss into self-kill ending the game is truly iconic

[naive flame]

Did a atheist game who faked alhad, failed miserably.

Did balls of seat 7, Ballonist added an outsider and I thought the outsider was from something else so I reracked..(even tho it wasn't a mistake)

[naive flame]

Since per game at night*, the Ojo may choose a player instead, a character of its type dies with it.[-1 Outsider]

[fast anchor]

[11/6] The finals of the 2025 Clocktower World Cup are tomorrow! Before the match - which script do you want to win it all?

As a refresher:

Trained Killer - Each night*, the Demon attacks the next living in-play character(s) in script order. Characters who survive might get reattacked.

The Djinn's Bargain - Nominators may choose to die after making a nomination. If they do, their nominee's ability works twice until dusk tomorrow.

[spiral pollen]

Trained killer is a finalist?

[fast anchor]

It beat Stowed Away, yeah

[spiral pollen]

:(

I think trained killer is a cool idea but I don't think the script is too good

It's overcooked

Mayor at the top undermines the whole premise

And I played it the other day and I don't think it functions well as just a clocktower script

[shadow shale]

I would be interested to see the voter turnout for this script competition

[tacit fiber]

The Djinn's Bargain

[lone spire]

bra1n on the Garden of Djinn server told us that the first match had around 1000 votes, then the group stages stayed around 500-700 range, and playoffs have consistently had 750-800 votes.

[cyan reef]

that's pretty good

[lone spire]

I’m sorry to hear you haven’t had a great experience, and I don’t want to invalidate it, but I obviously disagree. Mayor on top is what helps make it a puzzle, not undermines the premise. It might not be for you of course, but I’m glad enough people have enjoyed it to make it to the finals. That’s also my answer to today’s question - I obviously want to win, but I’m happy it made it as far as it did.

[tacit fiber]

I fear more for the poisoner which makes solving for VI-drunkness impossible and is too powerful in general
-# also being unable to LM kill Minions is 🙈

[lone spire]

Poisoner is one of six minions, some of which are loud enough that you might be able to deduce non-poisoner worlds fairly reliably. LM not killing minions is pretty much a feature, not a bug, this script is designed as an answer to people who don’t like that LM as an evil ability kills minions. Still, there are some ways you can kill minions if you’d like - just put in a Mayor or a Spy.

[fast anchor]

it feels like every time someone brings up TK I learn something new about it... spy misreg to get night-killed (and buy yourself social trust) is awesome

[karmic slate]

I also think there's a bit of Custom Script Discussion Panic button on seeing Poisoner on scripts 😂 Like yeah it's one of the strongest Minions but it's not making Evil Winrates Skyrocket.

[sour harness]

Idk it's less about balance and more about "every single world ever is still open actually"

[torpid mist]

I mean of course it isn't – shooting randomly without safety nets, good gets to execute around 40% of players depending on player count & has a 33% chance of killing the Demon in f3 – good can always luck into a win

[ebon idol]

do you have custom script discussion panic syndrome? if so, you may be entitled to compensation

[ebon idol]

I haven't payed attention to the WC much but I looked up the djinn rules a few days ago to see the finalists and was like "how the hell does trained killer even work? I feel like there's no puzzle there", nvm this script is cool as hell, and a really interesting concept

[pseudo fulcrum]

It's very intriguing because to me, Djinn's Bargain doesn't seem that interesting compared to other Djinn rules, yet from what I've seen, it pretty consistently manages to create funny games

so, Trained Killer is my favourite going into the final because of how interesting it is, but my vote could end up going either way

It was just like that with Seat 7 vs Djinn's Bargain, Seat 7 was my favourite going into the WC and I thought 'There's no way that Seat 7 loses this match' but Djinn's Bargain ended up having my vote because Seat 7 had a decent game but Djinn's Bargain was hilarious

[cold veldt]

i think Trained Killer is so incredibly interesting design wise. it looks at scriptbuilding in a completely new way, it almost feels like looking at a 3d game when everything else is 2d, and because of that i am team TK as i have been from the start!

[dry sluice]

At first I thought Mayor on Trained Killer undermined the premise because people can die in any order. But the point of Mayor is: if people die in the wrong order, you prove yourself and win.

[karmic slate]

And even then, the Mayor shouldn’t be skipping to the bottom of the kill list- it should really be killing in order still too to frame itself as possibly evil

[coarse fern]

I think both are cool and very fun but I would be happier seeing TK win. I think DB is really really interesting and Witch is actually cool on it for once but I love the way TK completely changes how night deaths work

[karmic rose]

somehow i keep being around for the TK games but not for the DB games...

[muted crescent]

[6/12] What's a character combination that can work beautifully when done by experienced scriptbuilders but often fares poorly with newer creators?

[karmic slate]

Chambermaid I think takes the crown here. Less of a direct combo but knowing what roles to support it with or vice versa can differentiate new and experienced script builders

[fast anchor]

Chambermaid is my favorite combination of multiple characters

but this question is hard - it’s hard to identify a combination that only works in one specific context

[karmic rose]

math/no dashii

[foggy grotto]

empath can actually pop off on customs but it’s a lot stronger than people realize so it has to be more tempered than in TB

[feral snow]

Ooh good one

It’s awesome on S&V but like it can’t just be No Dashii or math wins

[karmic rose]

bonus answer: courtier on a mono-demon script

[foggy grotto]

courtier LM my beloved

[karmic rose]

math/no dashii is great on extension cord too

[karmic slate]

• Alsaahir + Lord of Typhon: A really fun combo but a poorly made script can just become "LoT Lines are outed"
• Acrobat + Village Idiot: Gotta balance having an Acrobat death be powerful enough but not too powerful it's game solving

[junior knot]

Imp vigor. The minions are different enough to make it challenging, but it can work to throw sus on dead players

Also Witch Zombuul

[lost thistle]

king/choirboy

[sharp violet]

[6/13 (because it's 6/13 somewhere)]: What's your favorite outsider combo to give the Hermit?

[hollow oasis]

it already released, unspoiler that

[supple dirge]

I have no idea, there are so many interesting combos but my mind goes straight to the game breaking ones

[acoustic chasm]

Hi

[tacit fiber]

just saw this

[tidal quiver]

I'm immediately leaning toward golem + poli + some other on-death outsider, so the poli can press the big red button to start playing for evil in a very loud way and golem smash themselves

[tacit fiber]

where the snitch learns an out-of-play minion, the recluse wakes them during minion info

butcan't out the evils bc they get guessed

[supple dirge]

Ogre politician something else seems funny

[tidal quiver]

||mole with extra steps moment||

[tacit fiber]

||shhhh||

[acoustic chasm]

I'm just messing around for now

Can help push weird worlds on death mod scripts.

[dense moat]

As funny as that is, it’s sad to have Ogre Poli together

[sharp violet]

How about S&V + Hermit

also I think Ogre Goon could be fun if you dont inform the Hermit of their new alignment when it changes, only that it changed

depending on the script

[tall raft]

Damsel/Drunk/Politician is something that’s sticking in my mind

[cold veldt]

that's interesting

[sharp violet]

also how would you make Drunk/Lunatic work

[cold veldt]

you're really encouraged to push as hard as you can on whatever info you get

[cold veldt]

tpi says "idk make up a ruling lol"

so think of why you have both on script

and then make up a ruling

[sharp violet]

i know which is why i want to know what rulings you'd make
||the ruling i would make is that they think they are a Demon with a Townsfolk ability granted by a Boffin||

[cold veldt]

i suppose i'd say the hermit only needs to think they are 1 of the demon or a townsfolk at any given time, but may switch which (for faking snarmings) or be both at once (townsfolk holding lil monsta)

[sharp violet]

that is fun

[sharp violet]

also I just realized something:
Tinker/Sweetheart/Puzzlemaster and killing them N1 means you have a mechanically confirmed good player in exchange for them being dead and also 2 other players being drunk

[muted crescent]

Hmm, the first somewhat interesting Hermit combo I'm thinking of is

Drunk+Tinker+Filler and Slayer on script

a hidden mobile explosion machine for a Tomblike script

[supple dirge]

This with harpy or yaggababble on script would be fun

[sour harness]

I don't think a town exists that can fight this I'm gonna be real

Most towns can't fight barber normally

[coarse fern]

Savant could learn “[demon] is the demon OR [savant] is the demon”

[muted crescent]

very hard to find a good combo with this character...

[coarse fern]

Yeah I have been messing around with it but it’s really really delicate

[hollow oasis]

Golem+Recluse+Drunk

+LoT+Boffin

+witch

[grizzled marsh]

Yeah, this character won't be on every scripts

[dense moat]

*unspec

[low burrow]

You are no longer shadowing anyone

[coarse fern]

That’s my favorite hermit pairing as well

[low burrow]

You are now shadowing i.love.my.dog.a.lot

[dense moat]

Wow, it took me way too long to realize this was the wrong channel lmao

[sour harness]

*spec lady mist

[low burrow]

Please add ! to your name or use the command *spectate```

[junior knot]

Get Bot blocked lol

[wooden igloo]

+boomdandy

[sharp violet]

yes: Tinker + Plague Doctor (Boomdandy) = explosion on command!

[wooden igloo]

I mean there is Savant,Fisherman,Acrobat,Amnesiac. I think only veteran players can fight this

[iron scarab]

amnesiac ability is “you know the Demon”

[foggy grotto]

hermit recluse lunatic saint is just demon simulator

[wooden igloo]

Binary supernovae new version?👀

[foggy grotto]

TRUE

i have a djinnlegger script where all outsiders are lunatics and lunatics think they’re minions, and i should just add this hermit combo on here to just have a full blown second evil team that’s actually good

[wooden igloo]

Outsider ❌
Invader ✅

[hollow oasis]

Add marionette

[signal holly]

Drunk/Mutant/Poli hermit seems fun

just have a game where people are very sure they’re not the drunk and are pushing hard on their info

[foggy grotto]

it exists

meaning some of the lunatics are quasi-drunks

[hollow oasis]

This does kind of go hard

[tall raft]

This solves the issue I have with Hermit/Drunk/Poli where you don't know if you are the Poli + Drunk or just the regular drunk

Here you have a way to find out

(Without losing)

[wispy nest]

They tell anyone that the minions got bluffs and they don’t want it die as they get another minion ability

[lost thistle]

you have an Enemy

[wispy nest]

Funny

[supple dirge]

I thought I was the demon but now I think I'm actually the lunatic but I might actually be the hermit saint so you guys can't execute me trust me bro

[sharp violet]

add in to that
"I know you won't have any proof but you just have to trust me bro i promise"

[lost thistle]

if you try to poli flip this is peak gameplay

[lucid crag]

I feel drunk and lunatic have some real dangerous parings with hermit lol

like either of those + heretic is unsolvable

so naturally the drunk lunatic heretic hermit script will go crazy

not exactly sure how hermit would work with drunk + lunatic tho

[fast anchor]

personally i'd run it as TF holding lil' monsta, but really just don't put them on a script together

there's an argument to be made that you could also do demon with boffin-TF ability

[topaz flare]

Tf holding lil monsta is fine

Just embrace it

And design a script around it

[lost thistle]

lunatic/damsel, the demon knows who you are immediately 🔥

[junior knot]

+Ogre (and you select the faux paw)

You get damsel-guessed and Evil loses

[topaz flare]

I ran some hermit-drunk-lunatic-heretic for people last night, the game sort of went off the rails a bit but it was mostly about the wizard and marionette creating problems that can be smoothed over, not the hermit stuff.

[karmic rose]

a wizard??? creating problems?????

[topaz flare]

Hard to imagine I know

[worldly jasper]

Oops all outsiders + hermit

[junior knot]

Plus Xaan

[worldly jasper]

-# On my way to make a very long game of xaan night 23 /j

[torpid mist]

I really want to give a shot, just because I like the idea of giving the hermit a choice between two bad options, but I'm still struggling with the Minions for it

[topaz flare]

If you ever nominate evil wins seems like a tough draw

[karmic rose]

Presumably they only ever self-nominate

[ivory ridge]

2 damsel in general sound really bad

[karmic rose]

so it's a plague doctor or damsel choice effectively

[ivory ridge]

is the choice real 😔 i think pd is the only option

but also you have to kys (in game)

[karmic rose]

I think it's a little bit of a real choice

[ivory ridge]

either evil team kill you at night and you have to tank the pd hit

or you kill yourself and you have to tank the pd hit

[viscid citrus]

in minecraft

[ivory ridge]

and if you're ever nominate you just punch yourself cause if you don't nom back you're on the evil team's radar

[karmic rose]

A d1 damsel guess seems unlikely enough to postpone the self-punch

[ivory ridge]

sorry lemme rephrase

realistically, how often does hermit go for the normal golem punch over self kill

[karmic rose]

ah yeah I see

basically only if a minion has already whiffed the guess

[ivory ridge]

also depending on rule set

if there are uh, 2 damsel notification

then uhhh

"you learn that a damsel is in play"
"you learn that a damsel is in play"

[karmic rose]

*role damsel

[low burrow]

Damsel (Outsider) - Experimental

All Minions know a Damsel is in play. If a Minion publicly guesses you (once), your team loses.

**Affects Setup: **False

[karmic rose]

I don't think duplicate announcements go out

[ivory ridge]

no precedence

[next marlin]

Widow precedent

[ivory ridge]

oh

[next marlin]

You don't relearn if widow goes in and out of play

Same with damsel actually

[ivory ridge]

but do you learn if two widow is in play

[next marlin]

So you should get one ping by extrapolation

I'm pretty sure widow + alch-widow is one ping

[ivory ridge]

time to hit up jam

.

[next marlin]

love the use of the singular

[ivory ridge]

but anyway still, it's very lethal for the golem to punch

because golem punch, and afterward they're kept alive

as the game goes on, suspiciously no one claim damsel

[flat lintel]

hermit and hatter hate jinxed in my mind ink

Imagine, hatter, barber

hermit

that’s not a suggestion

[sour harness]

i did that on waltz and then took it off bc it's too loud to evil for a heretic script

[ivory ridge]

hermit heretic is fire

[coarse fern]

I can’t be the only person who always pronounces hermit as Kermit in my head

[hollow oasis]

guys hear me out

Golem+Mutant+Moonchild

Confirm yourself? sure

kill like, 3 people in the process? legal

[ivory ridge]

do you execute everytime the hermit punch or what

[hollow oasis]

yes

or you can wait

but like

it's more comedic to be like

"X dies, Y is executed and dies, "I claim moonchild and pick Z"

[ivory ridge]

right so like the problem is

they are never doing that

they are wasting an execution and killing 2 player

[hollow oasis]

that's fine

they can't nom

[ivory ridge]

yeah that's what will happen

[hollow oasis]

my original idea was golem drunk but like

[ivory ridge]

like the real answer is that they always punch themselves on block and then moonchild pick their nominator/someone they are planning to lift off

or like, whoever that they are executing today

one could even argue that this make the golem-mutant always liftable, as moonchild death is equivalent to lifting, except you trade off the not-needing-vote part for the not-killing evil

[hollow oasis]

maybe not... mutant then

solo fang gu script I guess

[ivory ridge]

i actually think the moonchild is the problem?

i think, not sure though

basically moonchild make it so you have very very little incentive to kill the golem (which people are already avoiding killing)

you could also make them having a bad effect while being alive

recluse/zealot/butler...

[hollow oasis]

I'm adding fang gu

and using saint instead

HEHEHEHEH

[ivory ridge]

so like, golem always punch themself here

the third outsider have to be on death then

[hollow oasis]

noted, Adding Chaos hatter

[ivory ridge]

yeah something like that

hatter/pd/sh

[hollow oasis]

in all seriousness I'd probably just do a jinx of "dying to the hermit ability counts as an execution"

[ivory ridge]

no

please don't

[hollow oasis]

you aren't allowed to die

maybe... a goon

[ivory ridge]

goon saint is really bad

don't...do it

😭

[hollow oasis]

consider

Frame it as "evil picked them"

profit

[ivory ridge]

it's coinflippy, but not fun

esp with fang gu

you could do golem goon saint, but you have to eliminate world where they're the demon

[hollow oasis]

I was joking with goon

I want to do golem saint(just don't die please)

oh

stormcatcher

why didn't i think of that

[torpid mist]

Keep in mind Golem is on-script, aka Golem can (and likely will) punch normally and might even lure out a Damsel guess, which allows a brave Hermit some leeway – though I did intend for the Golem punch to mostly be targeted at itself. It's supposed to be more of a "how long can I ride this out before it gets too risky and I need to take myself out?"

I kinda want Minion abilities that are devastating if added but lose their potency later in the game so a Hermit gets "rewarded" for holding out as long as possible

[karmic rose]

boomdandy would be very funny

[foggy grotto]

[6/14 (yes im a datist)] What do you guys predict will be the next character that will be released leading up to Clocktower Con Australia?

[golden moth]

I predict it’s a new demon I am not sure what are the demons names

[sour harness]

Can we have more townsfolk pls

I can't build towns for any of my ideas these days

[fast anchor]

I kinda want to see the Dice Tower traveler released

[junior knot]

I heard there's this demon that can kill itself at night, and not lose? Somehow a minion would become this demon instead, I guess? I think I heard someone mention the term Asterisksending? I think it was some sort of classic demonic name like Baal, or Devil, or some sort of Fae, or something

[fast anchor]

Clearly it's Satan

[supple dirge]

It's just like that game, secret satan

[fast anchor]

You get it

[supple dirge]

Sorry I was thinking of secret Santa

[feral snow]

I’m realistically thinking ||princess but here is some padding to make it longer|| but I’m happy no matter which one we get

[junior knot]

Although semi serious answer, now we have hermit with its -own char type, I think I'm hearing Big Barnacle's music

[sour harness]

I hope we get a character specspoilers doesn't know about

[feral snow]

I’d be very confused how we found 5 new characters and jams said there are 5 and then there is a 6th because there literally is no space for a 6th lol

[acoustic chasm]

You hope to get different characters for your scriptbuilding

[sour harness]

No I just think it's funny for specspoilers to not know things

Well, yes I do also want characters for my scriptbuilding

[junior knot]

A minion with an alsahir like wincon (ToD style) where if you publicly cold call every person’s role, you win [likely hatejinxed with grimpeekers]

[karmic slate]

I mean there doesn’t have to be a precedent. That’s the ruling

[ivory ridge]

the study of law shitting crying sobbing right now

[karmic slate]

The Fearmonger has chosen a new player

[ivory ridge]

right but what if there's 2 fearmonger, and both choose different player

[karmic slate]

Can’t remember the wording but I think 2 announcements go out

[ivory ridge]

yeah so it's not actually precendent for damsel & hermit-damsel .

[karmic slate]

No one said it was lol

[ivory ridge]

though someone said widow is a precendent and i'm inclined to believe it

[karmic slate]

It’s a precedent for what happens if 2 Fearmongers exist

[ivory ridge]

i think

[karmic slate]

Characters just do things and that’s fine

[pseudo fulcrum]

well yeah because the FM ping and the Widow ping are pinging for 2 different things

The FM ping pings when they choose a different player, so if 2 Fearmongers both choose different players, they both ping because town needs to be notified that a fearmonger has chosen a different target twice

The Widow/Damsel ping pings to tell people that that character is in-play, so if there's 2 of the characters, there's still only 1 ping, because the people already know that that character is in-play, so they wouldn't need a second ping for it

A nicer precedent if you want one would be the "If the Cannibal eats a Damsel, does a second ping go out?" precedent, which already deals with duplicate Damsels

[lucid crag]

something seems comical about a town trying to hide it lmao

[junior knot]

hermit happens to pick the actual zealot

[lucid crag]

also something cursed comes to mind pairing this with vizier

[pure meadow]

Either no one in town votes or everyone in town votes, everything’s a consensus 😭

[junior knot]

[6/15]: What's your favorite demon/minion pairing that shouldn't work, but somehow does?

Since this might be confusing, let me give an example. Scarlet Woman/Zombuul. You'd originally think the zombuuld have to get killed twice before final 4 for scarlet to have an ability, but no, you just double zomb's killing power.
Another example could be Imp/Mastermind on BSN pre-Hystrex-errata, ending the MM day

[next marlin]

Imp/Twin is a sleeper hit for both "imp with loud minions" and "imp with safety nets"
You can't throw it in every bag, especially at low counts, but it's interesting and in particular is one of the ways to prevent a twin from being mechconfirmed evil if the game continues when they're executed (the other main option is snv's option of pithag)

[ivory ridge]

wdym

.

like

twin/imp/scarlet in particular?

or is this, evil twin starpassed to and when good is executed, instead of just winning you keep playing

[lucid crag]

Vigormortis and Scarlet Woman /j

[topaz flare]

The problem with zombuul scarlet woman isn’t that they aren’t synergistic it’s that needing to kill the zombuul 4 times is a lot of times

[cyan reef]

skill issue

[flat lintel]

hope it’s something game changing

but not bc it’s broken

and can fit on any script including bmr

[junior knot]

It’s a TF that makes you execute all minions to win instead of all demons. (While it’s alive). Hatejinxed with Riot

[flat lintel]

absolutely hate that 😭

[ivory ridge]

its never gonna happen but misinfo demon…pretty please

[junior knot]

Called witch hunter or smthg

[ivory ridge]

sound ass

[dry sluice]

I would love either a demon with positive outsider mod, an outsider that learns info, or an info townsfolk that's good for scriptbuilding

[flat lintel]

Like what

Isn’t nd a misinfo demon

[ivory ridge]

yes but one more....

what do we have?

nd, pukka, leech?

[flat lintel]

Vortox vigor

[ivory ridge]

(droisoning misinfo specifically)

[supple dirge]

Demons are the most interesting for script building for me, I'd love more demons that really change things up like leviathan or al-had

[ivory ridge]

vigor doesn't act first night

.

[flat lintel]

I agree, but isn’t Botc doing that a lot recently?

Yagga and the other one I forgot after

[next marlin]

typhon

[flat lintel]

Or I might be misremembering

[flat lintel]

yeah that one

[supple dirge]

Yeah I like those, yagga being able to kill in the daytime is really fun

[ivory ridge]

what the fuck i did not know if have a little wall on that

[flat lintel]

this is so funny ty

[digital drum]

Gave +1 Thanks to @next marlin (current: #312 - 154)

[ivory ridge]

a vatifence?

[flat lintel]

Yeah that was fun

[ivory ridge]

honestly lleech (lleech) is the biggest mood here

it's barely an evil poison source

.

[flat lintel]

I love lleech

is that a bad thing or do we still like lleech

[supple dirge]

Vati has so many walls they could build a maze

[sour harness]

I don't like lleech lol

[flat lintel]

I think I’m just craving something that makes scripts creating more diverse

[ivory ridge]

pukka vortox is whatever because it's not disasterous if they find out

[flat lintel]

but that won’t come with one character

[ivory ridge]

lleech dashii meanwhile...

[flat lintel]

like there’s current archetypes of script creating: tb like, mechanical, chaos, high info

[ivory ridge]

and vigor's biggest problem is that the poison isn't real past d3

[flat lintel]

and they all use the same roles (which is fair)

[flat lintel]

vigor needing a [-1] is js not real

I can see it, but I feel like with the slow power creep of new characters, vigor can’t keep up

[dry sluice]

It is allowed to put Vigormortis on your custom script and cross out the outsider mod

No one ever does it though

[flat lintel]

and it was barely keeping up before

[next marlin]

I don't think botc is having power creep, probably the opposite

[flat lintel]

Wait where?

[next marlin]

The b3 roles are very strong and experimentals are like, Noble

[flat lintel]

Noble is the worst case 😭

[next marlin]

or better yet, Ojo

[flat lintel]

Almost every “broken” (not like game breaking, but js strong) role I can think of is experimental

[ivory ridge]

guys

[flat lintel]

Hermit (I admit I don’t know much of how this works yet, it’s js really strong imo), Politician (reason it’s on so many people’s early picks of like buckets), and Hatter (chaos hatter is hell)

[flat lintel]

These are great examples of ones that are not though

[next marlin]

Outsiders are sort of an exception, I think outsiders have had power creep

[ivory ridge]

poisoner baron sw pithag are almost always uncontested as one of the strongest minion

[next marlin]

but the b3 are pitched at a very high power level compared to most modern customs

[flat lintel]

fairfair

[ivory ridge]

like the two minion that ever come close to minion power are like, mez (broken), and wizard (minion mimicry)

[fast anchor]

organ grinder 🥹

[flat lintel]

I think boffin is also up there too

[fast anchor]

meh

[flat lintel]

MONKEEEE

[fast anchor]

some boffin abilities can be great but they can also just be "well Spy/Widow would be broken on this script soooo"

[ivory ridge]

scarlet woman is almost always a great minion at least , in comparison

sw is honestly so fucking peak

[fast anchor]

what about five player teensyville, mizu

[flat lintel]

yeah in terms of game saving minions, nothing beats SW

[ivory ridge]

anyway

[flat lintel]

when we’re talking about power creep, are we talking about all stages of experimentals or js the second stage?

[ivory ridge]

also wait scarlet is uber broken in 5 player teensyville wdym

[flat lintel]

nah

it only has practical use on the first day

whilst others get use on multiple days

it can be broken depending on the other minion

I mean looking at NGJ

I prefer the baron on it

misinfo + a win con vs saving my demon

1 townsfolk vs 3

Could be broken if it’s against like

mastermind

https://tenor.com/view/slag-vomit-eww-gross-yucky-gif-15021582

[lost thistle]

widow too

and xaan

[next marlin]

Contextually this is exclusively about misinformation demons it's just not obvious from the screenshot

[lost thistle]

ah

[karmic rose]

I'm still waiting on a minion that wants to be killed by its demon (outside of vig games)

[zenith lotus]

vizier 😉

[sour harness]

The thing is that that's the actual answer

[hollow oasis]

also

spent minions in BMR

because missolving

[feral snow]

Yeah the BMR minions want to die sometimes

Oh yeah I wanted to ask a question

[June 16th, 2025]: Give me some really cool fisherman advice. It can be actual advice you’ve given or something you want to try in the right scenario. Just don’t give “Trust X”, “Execute Y”, “Us Fisherman need to stick together on the high seas”, etc.

[sour harness]

"stop thinking"

[karmic rose]

"tell [damsel] that [claim] is a demon bluff"

probably pretty conventional actually

[sour harness]

"tell town that your advice was to execute [the good player bluffing heretic]"

[junior knot]

"The position of the true statement in Savant info has alternated each day" -- a couple days in

[supple dirge]

'Help [amne] with their info', amne had game solving info who the outsiders were in a stormcaught heretic game. If they did figure it out they'd know an evil player was claiming heretic and who the drunk was, but they did not.

[dry sluice]

"claim dreamer & [some correct but not game-solving dreamer info]," to the No Dashii's marionette fisherman

[junior knot]

It's also very hard, because it is so player and gamestate dependant

[alpine silo]

https://tenor.com/view/blm-gif-25815938

[feral snow]

I ran a game recently where the Amnesiac ability was "[2 Fisherman]" and there was a Mezepheles. If one of the fish turned I was so so tempted to give the good fish "1 fish, 2 fish, red fish, blue fish"

[alpine silo]

patters did that once

[feral snow]

that's what inspired it!

[alpine silo]

even better

[feral snow]

he did 3 good fisherman and a Baron with the fisherman ability

[sharp violet]

Claim that your info makes no sense and you must be the Drunk (the only world Town is considering with the correct Demon is missing an outsider, and it would be easier to do that rather than to accuse trusted players of being Minions)

would be an interesting one to give

[grizzled marsh]

Any fish info that starts with "pretend" where the tip is to lie about somehting

[acoustic chasm]

This is information, while advice should be about doing something

[acoustic chasm]

Sadly haven't given any really wild fisherman advice

The favourite advice I've given is 'Listen to what X is saying', which is very bog-standard fisherman advice.

However, I still think it was quite funny, because it was a Mutant in a double claim with a real Cannibal who was pushing on the Demon who was claiming Lunatic

Context matters

[warm star]

This is my favorite I've ever seen (credit to @indigo osprey)

[junior knot]

"Stay Alive" when the Fish is the Mario/Lleech host

[grizzled marsh]

LMAO

[foggy grotto]

“Get town to out their info” is pretty reliable in spidow games

[sour harness]

Not so sure about marionette, lleech host yeah sure (but it's prob less interesting than anything else)

[muted crescent]

Execute the players with a bad taste in music

very specific to that group but it was legendary

[lucid crag]

"Remember your st sucks ass" when you accidentally frame the high priest as evil because you sent them to the gambler while they were ceremad

(this is what I would of given if the fisherman spent, instead they didn't and died without using)

also the savant was puzzle drunk so I think it would of had double meaning /j

[tall raft]

Chaos hatter is a mistake

It’s not the almanac ruling because it sucks

[ivory ridge]

"kill yourself" and it can be like cannibal and pixie fisherman

it's a bit dobious advice though since you're basically spending your ability and an execution for a confirmaton and two more advice

but you can also meta this advice as "pixie and cannibal are real"

[indigo osprey]

Good times

[signal holly]

the fact that b3 minions are super strong has already been mentioned, but also demons (No Dashii, Imp, Fang Gu are probably more powerful than any experimental demon imo) and Townsfolk (Empath and Clockmaker are super broken in ways that rarely get talked about, Artist is broken in ways that do get talked about, and that's not even touching BMR with Professor and Gossip being probably the two strongest Townsfolk in existence plus several other contenders for Empath tier)

and even when it comes to outsiders i still think The Drunk is at least on par with the most damaging real* experimental outsiders

*(chaos hatter isn't real)

[next marlin]

Outsiders are tricky to assess the damage of because most outsiders by design have some way to mitigate themselves

Politician and Damsel are brutal but Poli is the only outsider in the game that can almost turn off its ability and Damsel is often "on day 3, all players learn a minion player"

[signal holly]

Poli's damage budget also really depends on your storyteller tbf

[next marlin]

("almost" does so much work, having watched towns repeatedly tear themselves apart reading into the behaviour of an outed poli playing for good)

[signal holly]

if Poli who wants to play for evil always flips then Poli is effectively just +1 evil and that's devastating

if Evil and/or the Politician have to do some real work to make sure that a Politician will be MVP enough to get the flip then it's about on par with other alignment changing outsiders imo

[ivory ridge]

you forgot the 30% chance of evil winning

.

i dread every time i see a script where i look at it and ask myself "wait what does damsel even bluff here"

[indigo osprey]

whatever they want

protecting damsel is a team effort

[ivory ridge]

i still think it's good that a damsel can actually have something reasonably enough to bluff before town spring into action

i've had games where i actively protect the damsel but it fails . i even end up spreading misinfo too

[indigo osprey]

I think you mean 'I think it makes the damsel's life easier when they can do that and I like it when damsel lives are easier', which is a fair pov

I just don't think that's necessary

[ivory ridge]

i mean when the damsel's life is harder, evil win more

[indigo osprey]

yup

[ivory ridge]

and therefore imo damsel is too damaging sometimes on the wrong script

[lost thistle]

my poli playstyle (even though ive never ran poli) is "play for yourself"

and just try to be the player most responsible for the outcome of the game, regardless of whether thats good or evil winning
because either way, you win

so just make up some info and try to push worlds around that

if you are listened to more than anyone else, you win :3

either your info gets the demon and you win with good, or you are the reason good lost and you also win

it feels thematic for a politician too

[supple dirge]

6/17 Let's try making homebrew characters 1 word at a time and see what we get. I'll start off

Warlock (minion): Each

[tidal quiver]

day,

[lean isle]

you

[cold veldt]

may

[acoustic chasm]

publicly

[iron scarab]

choose

[ivory ridge]

3

[alpine silo]

three

lol

[dry sluice]

players.

[zenith lotus]

They

[foggy grotto]

cannot

[feral snow]

Die

[fast anchor]

.

wait fuck I made it broken

[supple dirge]

I love super da

[feral snow]

I was really hoping for an if

Or something

[tidal quiver]

I know how much copium this is but if you put it with a ton of alt wincons (I especially like alsaahir) then it might be okay

[foggy grotto]

how is this a minion