secret thing

[next marlin]

I'm not sure how much I want to get into the weeds of this argument right now, tbh -- I just wanted to provide a counterweigh because I think this server can get into echo chamber discussions around SC that don't consider the full reasons people might hold different perspectives

[cyan reef]

to me it ultimately feels very similar to the desire to change Butler in TB...if something changes, then the balance inherently changes, to some extent

yeah, I definitely don't think that's true

usually people are pretty clear with their different perspectives, and the overwhelming majority of them revolve around thinking (for their own variety of reasons) that a night 1 snake charming is unfun

[foggy grotto]

DA cant pick the Lil Monsta holder two nights in a row, regardless if it’s held by a different person or not

pretty well known and solid house rule

[naive flame]

Idk which is which..

Prompt:

What was the most craziest Amne Ability you were given/seen given to the character?

[feral snow]

Currently spectating a game that I think wins this

I will not elaborate

[supple dirge]

In the games I've played, Amne picked an evil character each night, minions they picked became the alchemist's ability, demons they picked turned the demon into that character. Legion was on the script so when they picked legion, me the demon and all my minions became legion. Evil won keeping the marionette turned legion alive and I felt bad for good lol

[ivory ridge]

thomas did you not heard the legendary game that just happened?

[supple dirge]

No

[foggy grotto]

oh is this the one that was just in beginner

[next marlin]

love the detail that it happened in beginner also

[ivory ridge]

you know who's objectively the most well off person in that game?

[iron scarab]

probably me because i wasnt in it

[fast anchor]

real

[muted crescent]

damn

this might top the beginner game in this server I saw where the recluse registered as the demon to the Scarlet Woman and made 2 demons

[lean isle]

Why are beginner games so cursed?

[sharp violet]

If it’s not a text game, tell me now

[next marlin]

It was "each night gain a good traveller ability" with the additional context of

1. the player had little experience with travellers and, it turned out afterwards, had not heard of most of the travellers in question
2. there was a wizard

[fleet hedge]

What Travellers did they gain?

[ivory ridge]

thief
bureaucrat
gnome
matron
bone collector

[fleet hedge]

Wow

[honest tide]

If the lunatic sees the kazali the demon learns which who they picked and what they were picked into

[iron scarab]

wow indeed

[karmic rose]

I'm pleased to say I don't have any amne horror stories, but I was once in a game where the wizard wished for everyone to become the amne

the amne abilities in that game weren't great, but they weren't bad enough for me to remember any of them

[lost thistle]

choosing twice is redundant, i’m already choosing a fruit the first time

[karmic rose]

beat me to it

[ivory ridge]

wait…

“EN, choose a player, learn a piece of fruit related to their character”

how will it be run? no fucking idea

[dense moat]

You only show blueberries and strawberries and its just a VI 💀

[ivory ridge]

LMAO

wait can every carfishing char be represented by a fruit

oh cerenovus is an apple

i won’t explain why

[dense moat]

Godfather is a grapes because grapes make wine

Fang Gu is a mango because it kinda sounds like mango

Imp gives me kiwi vibes and I'm not sure why. the idea just popped into my head

[fast anchor]

FG is a mango because its mango is to blow up and act like it doesn't know the person it jumped to

[feral snow]

I reference this all the time and no one gets it

[ivory ridge]

mutant-core i fear

[cloud plover]

The shape of this guy's teeth makes me want to vomit 🤢

Oh holy crap no post in this thread for 24 hours

[fast anchor]

you want to ask a question?

[cloud plover]

Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuh

I want to but I don't have any good ones 😅

[fast anchor]

i've got a bad one that helps me specifically

[cloud plover]

Do it please

[tacit fiber]

[Time isn't real]: Favorite Homebrew character of each type?

too slow >:3

[cloud plover]

I should play more homebrew

But also I only like Trouble Brewing 😆

[fast anchor]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-tennis-cat-meme-brick-cat-cat-brick-gif-1174694866650002420

[fast anchor]

This is a very valid take and you should not be silenced for it

TB is awesome

[cloud plover]

There was a character that went something like "If you are mad that something is true it might become true" and honestly I can't shake the feeling that it's just better Wizard in every way

[tacit fiber]

valid take

[fast anchor]

That's Omen from Lies, Spies, and Eyes

Omen (Minion): Things you are "mad" about might become true.

[cloud plover]

That's the bastard

[tacit fiber]

it's like cool

you can't be too obvious is the thing

[cloud plover]

Honestly, I remember liking a lot of things from that script

[fast anchor]

the way I run omen is that it must be visible

if something omeny happens people should be able to have a good idea of who caused it, and vice versa

[cloud plover]

You can't be obvious, but also it bakes in a "breadcrumb trail" in a way that's much more natural than Wizard, I think

[tacit fiber]

the way I'd run omen is that you have to actually convince goood players

(I've never run Omen)

[cloud plover]

I like the elegance of the mechanic

Well-phrased rule structure tickles my neurons

I should get into conlang

[tacit fiber]

truer

[fast anchor]

you mean conlanging? conlang is a noun, chenry

wait a minute

wait then why is "making a conlang" known as "conlanging"

if i'm making a pie i'm not pieing

[cloud plover]

This is an interesting argument

I would suggest that I am using "conlang" as a subject title, similar to how someone might say "I wish I was more into soccer" or "I should learn more about mathematics"

[cloud plover]

...Probably specificity? Making a pie already has "baking," but conlang as an activity comes about much later in the development of language, ergo it gets a more specific verb associated with it derived directly from the name "conlang" itself because we don't have any other word for it

Tbh though it should probably be "constructing" or verb equivalent of whatever the "con" in "conlang" stands for but idk what that is :P

[sour harness]

kinda fire

Uhhhh I don't wanna answer with my own characters bc that feels Bad so I gotta load the others gimme a sec

I really like the Spartacus suite, it's a cool take on damsel that's cleaner than the base game imo

[hollow oasis]

ok

[sour harness]

So I guess I'm answering haruspex

[hollow oasis]

Fabled:very obviously The Bomb from New World Chaos

Traveller:Bombadil from LOTR

Demon:Hannibal from Fall of Rome

Minion:Visionary(TBA)

Outsider:Cardinal(TBA?)

Townsfolk:Pagan/Beekeeper(yes the #speculation-and-spoilers homebrew)

[tidal quiver]

I can't remember a lot but temptress from FoR is peak, also scholar is really neat. Outsider is definitely reclose from Bewing, and to be perfectly honest, I've not found a homebrew demon I like a lot

[gusty bear]

caliban is pretty based

[finite wigeon]

Hard to say so I'm just going to throw ones out that I like a lot.

Prince by Imze is really good
Worm Picker by Nyctophonik
Bilgerat from the Bazaar. Imze has a really fun twist on Mario tho that I was close to penning.
Since I cannot put Leviathan, I think Sterenae scratches a similar itch very well. I was also tempted to put an unreleased Demon by Luis (Luis, when you read this, it's not that one you're thinking, it's the other one)

[tacit fiber]

Prince and Worm Picker ability text?

[finite wigeon]

Let me check if they're public lmao 😅

Dammit, I can't find evidence that either are

Uhh limiting myself to stuff that's publicly released I probably say, uh...

Baker by Dark and like Cultist by me?

Tir has a fun Townie that I need to dbl check if it's released

[dense moat]

Im not sure about of each type. But I do love Tactician from TBA. To toot my own horn, I also really like my Wine Gremlin and Cataphractos.

But I do like Ice's Caliban and Luis's Deacon

[finite wigeon]

Ok so technically all of Tir's stuff is released so: I really like Milkmaid (If you die at night, learn 1 evil player. [+0 or +1 Milkmaid])

I haven't thought about it like, too hard, but my first pass on the character has always been "ooh, that's neat"

[acoustic chasm]

I like the nominating part of Fall of Rome, and Legionary

Glykon and Legionary are fantastic

[dry sluice]

When people list homebrew characters, can we say what they do? It's annoying to look them up.
My fave homebrew character is Midwife (Outsider) from my friend xnor: "Two townsfolk have the same character, but one is drunk, even if you are dead."

[acoustic chasm]

Of course

[finite wigeon]

Opg no Townsfolk can die tonight.

If all Outsiders are dead, all but 3 players die tonight

[acoustic chasm]

Glykon - "You might register as good. Until dawn, players you nominate register as the opposite alignment &, if Townsfolk, are poisoned"

[finite wigeon]

(summaries)

[acoustic chasm]

Legionary - "Each night, learn how many evil players are between you and the next Legionary" [0 to +2 Legionaries]

[dense moat]

Tactician (Townsfolk): Each night*, choose 2 living players: learn which one the Storyteller thinks it’d be better for the Demon to kill tonight.

Wine Gremlin (Minion): Each day, 1 good chooses 2 alive players, or you choose 1 tonight: to Townsfolk, they register as evil Demons until next choice.

Cataphractos (Demon): Each night*, choose 2 players: the 1st dies. The 2nd dies too if they neighbor an alive Minion.

Caliban (Minion): Once per game, at night, the Demon chooses who you are. You are evil. [No one is Caliban, +1 Outsider]

Deacon (Townsfolk): The good player who is the most correct can’t die.

[finite wigeon]

Bilgerat makes Outsiders poison their Townsfolk nominees but there's exactly 3 Outsiders. Sterenae causes all but 3 players to die n3 and is a Timer Demon.

[gray ridge]

Deacon is cool

[dense moat]

Deacon makes execution survival scripts less hellish

it’s not that bad. I just don’t like making execution survival scripts

[karmic rose]

[5/17] what character do you run the most differently from "the norm"?

[karmic slate]

Comparing to the LiveVoice games and stuff, I'm in the ST group that run verbal juggles, gossips, alsaahir guesses personally. I also encourage Alsaahirs to be treated like Slayers rather than the other 2 because it's better for the character imo

Depending on script etc I'm starting to tell Demons who their Boffin is which isnt always done here

Cult Leader's a recent exploration in how to run better - removing the "why do want to form a cult" and just doing a countdown handraise / no nom thing.

[karmic rose]

oh I feel you on the cult leader

I think I usually feel worse than many STs do if my amnes don't bingo

which leads to broader amne hints or easier abilities often

[karmic slate]

Amnesiac Im still refining but I've taken to telling Amne's if they have a specific style of ability: Set-Up, Passive, Trigger, On Death/Demonbane, YSK, Public Action etc

[ivory ridge]

i remember getting alsaahir in your game and just fucking dies when people guess before nom open

https://tenor.com/view/pop-fail-fall-gif-5760306

[torpid mist]

Norm is a very broad term tbh – what people here (or generally in places where people play a lot) consider the norm in terms of STing is likely very far from the norm everywhere else

[karmic slate]

And then you have the awkward "well if I guess later im obviously the alsaahir lol"

[ivory ridge]

yeah like

friend what are we doing here 😭

honestly stuff like gossip and juggle is also better to do later

because people generally out info when push for execution later

[karmic slate]

Yeah probably but idm putting them first for ease because their impact happens later and honestly isn't impacted much by what happens in the day and those who want to juggle/gossip later can

[ivory ridge]

yeah gossip and juggle are a lot different than alsaahir

so i don't mind it that much

[karmic slate]

But Alsaahir's happen in the moment or nothing so treating them like Slayers is clear imo

Like Slayer shooting start of D1 (happens) but is wild lol

[torpid mist]

hardcore timmy move

[ivory ridge]

i (will start to) register spy as whatever the washerwoman/librarian/pixie see if they are a result of a ping

[karmic rose]

I do love the streamed games that are "day 1 is open--'i claim slayer and shoot [demon]'--the game is over"

[ivory ridge]

and like, is it legal to self misreg? dubious.

is the alternative just forcing evil to guess and they either get right or simply get destroyed? yes

[torpid mist]

I'm pretty sure it is?

[acoustic chasm]

it is

i think

[ivory ridge]

should be imo but there are some argument

so dubious is basically "it is. i think"

[karmic rose]

oh like show the token? Yea I think irl the spy can also point at the script and the role that's pinging them

I think that was mentioned by Edd on a cult of the clocktower ep?

[ivory ridge]

yeah, but some custom run later spy

[torpid mist]

also you're allowed to put whatever you want in your grimoire & the Spy sees your grim as is, so if you want to give the Spy a note you can anyway

[ivory ridge]

btw i'm saying this because there have been multiple game where i lose because st (all different st btw) decide to make ww/lib "you start knowing the evil team"

[acoustic chasm]

i usually run it as the WW/Lib if its relevant

I give as the first bluff

[karmic rose]

oh that's a neat convention

[ivory ridge]

yeah that's fine, if you clarify it to people

basically you need a mechanism to make it so guess aren't a 33-50%

[acoustic chasm]

like the bluffs should be 'these are the best things for your team to claim in this position'

[ivory ridge]

i also have a lot of thought about this because i've seen storyteller say that forcing people into a bluff by self misreg is bad and i like, totally disagree

[acoustic chasm]

they could also be 'you don't need to worry about this'

[karmic rose]

I think that's a valid bluff strat (esp on TB), though I do also like giving bluffs as "these are roles whose absence from the bag might influence your play"

[next marlin]

It's not dubious it's everyone except squall saying yes and squall saying no

[zenith lotus]

it seems to be that way for a lot of things tbh

[karmic rose]

I just ran my first whalebucket and still gave bluffs so that the demon didn't have to think about snarmer or Flowergirl

[ivory ridge]

actually i don't remember

[karmic rose]

(and I also deconfirmed a few roles ahead of the game opening)

[next marlin]

as someone who as the demon really does not want to think about snake charmer and also as the demon will bluff snake charmer without hesitation, based

[ivory ridge]

anyway ww and lib is made with a very clear intention to be balanced out by spy misreg, so either you never do this at all (which is bad and goes against the balancing), not misreg (which just make evil lose sometimes unless you have autumn-coding), or either self-misreg or run early spy and let them choose (good and cool)
also this eliminate the stupid meta of 'they can't be the spy, they claim first!'

anyway that's my thought

[karmic rose]

early spy based

[ivory ridge]

do normal whalebucket not have bluff?

[next marlin]

having been the bluffless demon in whalebucket as a new player I would probably be inclined to give bluffs

[karmic rose]

I think if you get into a double claim on whalebucket it just isn't your day

[next marlin]

(it is Not Fun to be the bluffless demon in whalebucket as a new player)

[ivory ridge]

like that sound cringe

just give them some bluff

it's not gonna buff the evil team

[next marlin]

I've seen a double claim of the washerwoman confirmed role in 3p whalebucket

[karmic rose]

ok the longtext whalebuckets I've played didn't have bluffs

so that's my data point

[ivory ridge]

who ran it?

[karmic rose]

Ulrich in one case, I'm forgetting the other st 😭

tho these were blindbucket and "no st choice, entirely random decisions" bucket respectively

[foggy grotto]

Modified Cult Leader

[foggy grotto]

why are you playing 3 player whalebucket

[next marlin]

I was spectating

[dry sluice]

new meta: 3 player whalebucket with 3 travelers and 6 spectators

[tardy wyvern]

now can you enlighten me please

i run cult leader differently from most people by not putting it in the bag

[sour harness]

What does the second part mean

[sour harness]

I run butler differently from most people by putting it in the bag

[supple dirge]

I've run cult leader exactly once, which was in a whalebucket game

[tardy wyvern]

i’ve run cult leader exactly once and they never said they were the cult leader and won with evil

[supple dirge]

What a great townsfolk

[next marlin]

There's a story back somewhere in this thread of a huntsman +1 turning the damsel into a cult leader who turned evil and won

[foggy grotto]

heck yes

[sour harness]

I've run cult leader exactly once and the demon killed around her to lock in +2 evils (and klutz won once she was locked)

[foggy grotto]

MODIFIED CULT LEADER:

"Each night, you learn the alignment of one of your alive neighbors. If all good players choose to join your cult, you become that alignment and your team wins."

[tardy wyvern]

yessssss

[sour harness]

Actually maybe I've run cl on kaboom too I forget

[tardy wyvern]

cult leader needs to be this

[foggy grotto]

i think someone refined the ability to be shorter but thats the gist of it

im like 90% sure i invented it but not 100% so i cant call it Kenoboi Cult Leader

[tardy wyvern]

this would fix some of my problems with cult leader and upgrade it from a terrible character to a bad character

[next marlin]

I call it that it's fine

[foggy grotto]

huzzah!!!! i get a thing named after me!!!

[next marlin]

patters didn't make patters huntsman

[foggy grotto]

wait really

[supple dirge]

I don't have a problem with the cult leader ability, I just find calling for cults and the cult voting takes too long and is annoying

[tardy wyvern]

I have a lot of problems with cult leader as a character and I could write a doc about it but I don’t feel like writing one just to be negative

[feral snow]

Just about everything in math is named after the second person to invent/discover it

[next marlin]

dellwall

[feral snow]

Because the first person is always Euler

[sour harness]

This is true!!

[foggy grotto]

you're so real

[sour harness]

No it's usually Gauss

[foggy grotto]

Kenoboi Cult Leader it is

[supple dirge]

Euler actually invented patters huntsman

[feral snow]

Oh gauss too

[foggy grotto]

"guys do you run Pythagoras Snake Charmer?"

[next marlin]

this server needs a starboard

[karmic rose]

i wanna read that

dang now i wanna invent some convention. right now i just have stolen valor from back when it was standard amy order

[hollow oasis]

Savant. Ask Vati for an explanation

[next marlin]

yeah you used to run it bad and not good --

I haven't seen your "not bad anymore" savant much tbh

[hollow oasis]

always confusing

@foggy grotto has my recent "not bad" savant info

[next marlin]

you imply you're still doing the triangle thing and I'm gonna be honest I don't really think I could solve the triangle thing from a player seat

[hollow oasis]

I don't

[next marlin]

🙏

[hollow oasis]

relax, I don't

[karmic rose]

i think my running gag is gonna maybe become "I ST x but every time y happens, i donate money to charity" (i last did this in irl with chiz's headache script and "every rules clarification adds $1")

because my next longtext is gonna be a normal game but every meme related to the gamestate posted in kibitz gets money donated

[next marlin]

parker did you hear about the game where I hardsolved evil nightkills demon off the fang gu's savant info being "the outsider count has been modified"

[hollow oasis]

no but I understand the game from that alone

[next marlin]

if I kib that one rather than play it you're gonna get like $10,000 off "we solved hhr guys" screenshots again

[hollow oasis]

I just ran 2 games with 3 wizards.

my head.

[tardy wyvern]

The summary of my points are that almost nobody ever votes for cults, cult wins never feel satisfying to get, and the alignment changing mechanic makes it often not a townsfolk

[karmic rose]

yea i can get behind that

[tardy wyvern]

Also cults are annoying

[hollow oasis]

being me deletes the 3rd

[tardy wyvern]

But that’s less relevant because it is the same as gossip and juggler which are characters I like

[hollow oasis]

As long as I'm the CL, it's a TF

[karmic rose]

wdym cult leader fits perfectly in every bag. especially legion

[hollow oasis]

gonna be honest you're spitting fire

even though it's a joke

[hollow oasis]

Just ran 2 games with 3 wizards

Whalebuffet is a hell of a drug

1st game: Evil Wizard wished for the first player to visit me to get HP ping(I added that people would lose their ability for the day when they did this.)

-Alch wizard decided to make this apply to all abilities, you can trade any abilities for eachother

-Alch wizard wished all STs gained a TF ability

1st ST:CL, dice roll decided their neighbors.

2nd ST:Gossip

3rd ST:General evil(multiple extra evils, lil monsta psychopath)

1st ST neighbored an evil, formed a cult, and evil won.

NOW THE SECOND GAME

Alch wizard was drunk.

First Philo wizard wished for no accusation/defense on noms, just instant voting

Second Philo wizard wished to give random players wishes, and for them to decide the downside.(Added an ability for me to veto)

This proceeded to cause:

Politician getting an public dreamer

"I dream X", "X is A or B"

in public

Alsaahir getting alch psycho, but if nominated they die instantly

Snake Charmer Rez

and the

icing on top

"I wish for the game to draw."

The Philo Alch Wizard.

set the price to

"Only if the ST rolls a nat 20 on a d20."

The game drew.

@next marlin done with the wall

oh yea also damsel twin pair (widow game)

and a Apprentice Snake Charmer(drunk) because actual snake charmer

who kept picking everyone but the twins

(it was lil monsta again, twin was demon)

[foggy grotto]

didn’t everyone else think it was a ND game tho

[next marlin]

the sc thought it was vigor and he was poisoned

it was basically "everything except vortox"

the no dashii thing was that the literal only person who could mechanically be the no dashii happened to be the fang 2

because of "math numbers" lol

[foggy grotto]

oh yeah the cere kinda screwed themselves with those math numbers

[honest tide]

Librarian/noble/ww

Actually most starting info with multiple people

Because I often give either themselves or an easily confirmable player

But only if the grim is already evil sided

Balloonist to an extent but usually not

Although that’s a more niche case that most STs don’t do but I think it’s fun to throw in sometimes

[hollow oasis]

[{([{(5/18)}])}]

What alignment on the political spectrum is your favorite BOTC character

-Auth-Left what did you expect

[feral snow]

Uh oh this surely won’t cause problems

apolitical

[hollow oasis]

Surely not right

One of them

Anarchist

Left, pick up or down

Lib-Right

Right

Anarcho-Communism

Fascism

Abstains

Left

Right

Center

Left

Pick your headcanon

Lib-Right

Anarcho-Capitalism

(Good salesman environment)

[fast anchor]

no alejo rule for snake charmer most of the time :)

also ig hatter piercing poppygrower (even though it is literally RAW that it does that)

[fleet hedge]

I would argue Spy self-misreg is 100% not intended and is just like a big fuck you to the Washerwoman – Washerwoman is intended to be somewhat Spy-resistant

So although people can run self-misreg if they want, I think the argument that Washerwoman was balanced around Spy is quite weak

[tacit fiber]

Lib-Left

[next vault]

Who was I supposed to vote for?

[barren zenith]

Far-right

[iron scarab]

i do agree with your point but the wiki here is probably more TB-focused

[foggy grotto]

economically though

[fleet hedge]

Are we not talking about TB?

[foggy grotto]

i don’t think baron is a fan of an authoritarian government

[iron scarab]

i thought mizu wasnt

[barren zenith]

Oh fair

[iron scarab]

i wouldnt do this in TB, in a game with new players

but there are scenarios where it might be a helpful tool

idk

[foggy grotto]

changes his political views in the moment into order to have political debates with people and yap more

[iron scarab]

im spitting out words from my mouth and i am unable to control them

[foggy grotto]

Absolute Monarchist

[fleet hedge]

I disagree specifically with the sentiment that Spy was intended to self-misreg to Washerwoman and Librarian by Steven. I also think Spy should never self-misreg but that's up to the ST

[hollow oasis]

Baron is Anarcho-Capitalist, who wants RuLeS and ReGuLaTiOnS getting in the way of profits

[foggy grotto]

yeah definitely a fan of that laissez faire government approach

[cyan reef]

yeah, I mean, I think as the above almanac example shows, it seems pretty set that the game isn't generally expecting the Spy to misregister to themselves for the Washerwoman, in the same way that a Spy isn't expecting to misregister such that an Investigator learns no Minions

[finite wigeon]

Why do you want to form a cult / explain your cult removes so much life from me

It is fun the 1st time, and then exclusively an inconvenience to me every time afterwards

Wow I'm late to the convo

But for that covno I was late to, a lot of ppl said stuff which sums up why I'm honestly not the biggest fan of a "public discussion phase"

I've been trying to just have a longer talking phase for public or private chats followed immediately by noms opening

[karmic slate]

And they never convince town why both neighbours are good! They just say “cats and dogs”

Honestly maybe that’s a fix- say if you don’t convince town why both neighbours are good I won’t take it 😂

[finite wigeon]

Yeah, it's never an actual explanation of anything it's just the same flavor for 5 days in a row

"Guys, I want a cult to form even more now! We have more cookies!" I'm 5 picoseconds away from crashing out, it's been 45 minutes since the last execution

[spiral pollen]

I think probably people either don't want to win that way or see it as so unlikely there's no point wasting energy on actually trying to convince people so just use it to do bits

[viscid citrus]

hello i would like to join this cult

[karmic slate]

a meowsian infilitrator!

[torpid mist]

Cult Leader should have just been a Traveler

[fleet hedge]

I think the main problem with Cult Leader is it becomes an Outsider in the way most people play and run it

Sure STs can run it better, but people will always play it like a Goon

[muted crescent]

No questions bros, maybe time wasn't real after all

[karmic rose]

[5/19] what's your script building hot take?

[karmic rose]

I'm actually ok with drunk/Kazali, drunk/balloonist, and drunk/xaan.

wait same hat

[next marlin]

Kazali is different because it has that baked in

[gusty bear]

do you specifically hate drunk/LoT or did you forget about it

[karmic rose]

I forgor

Kazali needs some remedy to "oops the Kazali just turned both the outsiders into minions"

[next marlin]

CC is a script that does this and is balanced in practice in a way that its remarkably strong info landscape doesn't imply and it uses poli and damsel to do what a different script might use drunk for

[next marlin]

This particular one isn't really important though

It feels like it would be but it really isn't

I think evil won every Kazali -1 cc game

[karmic rose]

ok but cc is good and not my group's flesh + bone script

[next marlin]

It turns out there's a reason no one did living scripts before

[honest tide]

Fang-Gu is not a good demon for most scripts

[karmic rose]

like, I don't think drunk is the best pairing with any of the above characters, but I'm not going to dismiss a script automatically on the basis of Drunk + Balloonist

[honest tide]

And it gets thrown onto scripts it doesn’t belong

[gusty bear]

evil o mod characters get used correctly on scripts challenge

[sour harness]

All of my takes seem to be hot because I'm the only* person who's good at script writing

*see why more credible sources say this is a blatant lie

[next marlin]

As a more credible source,

[sour harness]

No but basically every time I have a strong opinion it's either part of the hivemind or it's the most insane take everyone's ever heard with no in between

[karmic rose]

Give me the forbidden insane takes

[next marlin]

To be fair the hivemind is mostly me reshaping reality into my opinions

[sour harness]

Hivemind as in "outsider mod is good, actually"

And a bit of that I guess

[next marlin]

Then I have to tell custscripts to pull it back like 20%

[next marlin]

People will show Hystrex a normal ass script and he'll go "cere cannibal 😭 😭 😭 replace it with undertaker which has more normal interactions with madness and is bluffable by all evil teams"

[sour harness]

Fang Gu only works with about 8 outsiders, dashiionette and recluse misregistering to marionette are both extremely oppressive, tea lady is an outsider with e.g. spy or fang gu, etc

[sour harness]

I hate that there's some truth to this 😭

Cere cannibal is like not a problem but also how did we arrive here

What script wants both of these characters

(catfishing, I know)

[next marlin]

As a fellow obsessive I think it's a little antisynergistic but it's better than undertaker and execution checkers are good for script health

[zenith lotus]

TMSE

[feral snow]

Apparently everything I say

[next marlin]

The one that works best with cere in a void is oracle but that has its own considerations

So cere cannibal is fine on lots of scripts

[sour harness]

You know I completely forgot that I once thought of oracle and cannibal as similar

They're like

Not even related imo

[next marlin]

Oracle is an execution checker it just also does other things

[tacit fiber]

People should stop building scripts with High Priestess and Balloonist
-# ⓘ Do not enguage this user about High Priestess for the sake of everyone in secret thing

[sour harness]

Cannibal does other things it just happens to be an execution checker

[tardy wyvern]

not sure how hot of a take this is but I think Lleech belongs on basically no scripts that aren’t trying to be the vortox lleech mm one

[sour harness]

It's ok balloonist mhd real

[feral snow]

I don’t fully disagree but they’re definitely way overused

[sour harness]

Someone sees the vision 🔥

[zenith lotus]

booooo

put lleech on more things (i dont care that the things lleech works with are hyperspecific) 😉

[cold veldt]

there's actually only 1 dark triad script, cause all of them are basically the same script

[next marlin]

Also the other one is "+1.5 evils is fine if you're not a coward" (actually "if you really know what you're doing" but it's funnier this way)

[next marlin]

There are at least 2, one has poisoner

[tardy wyvern]

what is a .5 evil

[sour harness]

Butler??

Maybe?

[next marlin]

Ogre poli is the main one that can work

[gusty bear]

lleech belongs on my awful lleech script where you should host your minions

[zenith lotus]

time to put those two and a baron onscript 😉

[sour harness]

You better use the optional rule then

[next marlin]

Extra evils vary in intensity and you can put combinations together that don't break a script if you know randomisation is a myth

[next marlin]

Oh absolutely

You can also kind of make fang gu with ogre or poli work but it's quite a bit harder

[tacit fiber]

idt Poli Ogre works imo >_<

[gusty bear]

fang gu ogre is fine unless you are playing with soi

[tacit fiber]

I think I am more fearful of 2 extra evils than most

[gusty bear]

and also your town can handle that kind of thing

[sour harness]

Idk SoI feels fine there in particular? It's not great but like it tells the fg that the ogre is evil

[tacit fiber]

so you are turning fg into "ENCAPTD [+1 outsider]"

that's not fun

[sour harness]

Jump to the ogre

[tacit fiber]

and makes ogre into a thrall

[cold veldt]

holy hell

[sour harness]

It's not great

[gusty bear]

imp if it was bad

[cold veldt]

how did i never consider that as an option

[sour harness]

Lol

[next marlin]

A big consideration around extra evil vote math is that 4v6 and 5v7 are essentially equivalent and the former of those is an intended interaction on the intermediate bases, what you need to do is essentially make the same level of care to keep 5v7 rare the same way the intermediate bases do to make 4v6 rare

Ogre poli has this built in which is why it's the most workable

[gusty bear]

also fang gu jumping to a good ogre is such a funny script dynamic

[sour harness]

If outsider mod didn't exist we'd be able to shove as many extra evil outsiders into one script as we please and it'd be fine

[gusty bear]

make a script with all + evil outsiders and ||hermit||

[next marlin]

Notably a script where this is possible should not have +2 outsiders

Which is also the case in the intermediate bases

[cold veldt]

waaaaaiiittt ||Hermit-Politician-Ogre, playing to screw over their friend, is so peak||

[sour harness]

.

[cold veldt]

but also uh something something speculation chat spoiler tag idk

[zenith lotus]

stick turning into mizu confirmed

[sour harness]

Nobody else is here and I already know this one it'll be fine surely

[gusty bear]

ew

never say that to me again

[sour harness]

The worst fate

[next marlin]

(Drunk and Butler are extra evils which is why TB is +2 because those combine to "+1 evil +1 outsider" equivalents -- this is "ha ha only serious")

[gusty bear]

ok this script is funny and probably incredibly unworkable

[tardy wyvern]

This is balanced because butler is never in the bag

[gusty bear]

is|| hermit ||being unbluffable balanced by the fact it's evil 90% of the time

[sour harness]

UHHHHHH

Probably not

But I see the vision

You still only have 16 good characters of bluffspace

[gusty bear]

i think it works with like, solo kazali maybe

[sour harness]

Or just add a 5th outsider lol

Oh real

Wait that would need a jinx tho right

Or does it have some htr I'm not aware of

[gusty bear]

how do you mean

[sour harness]

||how can you satisfy hermit setup text in a kazali game||

Actually

Maybe it just works

Nvm

[gusty bear]

||just don't add the other outsiders to the bag in the first place||

[sour harness]

Yeahh ok

[feral snow]

We don’t know exactly how it’ll work

[gusty bear]

|| this is more because all the other outsiders are +1 evil that only 1 can realistically be in the bag at a time - maybe two sometimes||

[feral snow]

Only one way to find out

[gusty bear]

anyway

minor digression into a silly idea over

[lean isle]

Me when ||Kazali turns Hermit and there are no Outsiders ||

[zenith lotus]

smh move to spec spoilers

[sour harness]

Break into steve's house and eat all the tokens

[acoustic chasm]

apparently this is a hot take, idt it is

Balloonist+Spy is an awesome combo

If people's balloonist is that it turns into an EN* seamstress, Spy can help with that. It interacts w Balloonist in a fairly straightforward and predictable way.

[next vault]

Eh I dont like recluspy with balloon

And with Outsiders that hide themselves (Mutant, Damsel, Drunk...) it works

[barren zenith]

Drunk + balloonist is pretty rough icl

[acoustic chasm]

they do work

And recluse balloonist is a bit more iffy

[sour harness]

Why is recluse iffier than spy

[acoustic chasm]

Vibes for me, but maybe it's better than I think.

The way Recluse can misregister to make Balloonist info worse is showing two/three Outsiders in a row, which isn't too bad.

Spy's misreg is showing several Minions in a row. I think socially figuring out that you've been shown several minions in a row is more... plausible?

And if you solve where the spy is, you know what part of your info is compromised

[barren zenith]

Recluse-Balloonist is slightly iffy but because it's on Final Nail, I am legally contracted to support it 😔

[acoustic chasm]

I do like Politician, Damsel, Drunk, Mutant, all those on a Balloonist script

I think Balloonist works well w misregistration

Better than say Savant Spycluse

[fleet hedge]

Savant Spycluse is fine just never misreg them

[sour harness]

-# or you could throw recluse into a
ok I'll stop

[fleet hedge]

And Recluse Balloonist just don't show the Recluse

[sour harness]

Unbluffable recluse :sotrue:

[acoustic chasm]

idk

[sour harness]

If balloonist never learns a certain character then something needs to change

[barren zenith]

Balloonist recluse is a balancing tool I think

[acoustic chasm]

Even if you are a saint of a storyteller that never misregisters the spy to the savant, players will build worlds as if you do

[barren zenith]

Like, if good are getting destroyed, they might need that seamstress ping

[acoustic chasm]

I don't think the solution is 'just pretend this character's ability doesn't exist for Savant'

[sour harness]

The solution is "don't make this possible"

[acoustic chasm]

I mean, you can specify, 'hey I run Savant w Spy and Recluse as if their misreg don't exist'

[barren zenith]

You can make savant info still somewhat useful even while potentially misregistering the recluse

[acoustic chasm]

I agree kinda, but

[sour harness]

But then those characters lose their potency

[barren zenith]

Like "A chef could receive a 1" is still useful!

[acoustic chasm]

As a player, you can just kinda give up on Savant info if it becomes arbritrary

Recluse on Trouble Brewing affects certain characters in specific ways, and in very easy to interpret ways

[sour harness]

(which if spy is on script, is most of the time)

[barren zenith]

Recluse savant is better than spy savant at the very least

[acoustic chasm]

Recluse/Spy with Savant affects maybe 1, maybe both halves of savant info, one of which is true, and one of which is false

It's a headache

[acoustic chasm]

Like yes, you can do that, and that's fair. That kinda factors in the recluse better than 'chef 1'.

Maybe adding 'coulds' is the best way to run savant w misregistration

I'm changing my mind on this take slightly, but I still feel that this interaction requires you to run this in a specific way to not be a headache.

A random Storyteller taking your script and running Savant not in this specific way can lead to disatisfaction.

[barren zenith]

I'm not at all saying the interaction is perfect fwiw

[sour harness]

Spy opens up so so many worlds tho

[acoustic chasm]

ye

and you need to think about how you structure your savant info without there being a spy in play

[sour harness]

I see the vision with recluse. I still think it's a horrible combo but I see what you mean

[barren zenith]

At least the recluse might claim (ignore the fact that the main script I'm talking about is Final Nail which has a Fang Gu)

[acoustic chasm]

ye

balloonist spy imo is not as bad at all

I think if you have a script w several open outsiders, it is a fair interaction to have

[fleet hedge]

If Balloonist ever claims to see a Recluse I would probably assume they're evil though

Like that Balloonist is being executed

[dense moat]

Magician Marionette really bugs me

Like I get it, you can show the Magician as a Marionette if they neighbor. But it’s just feels itchy. Less problematic than Dashi Magician bags but it seems really weird to be able to easily rule out the Magician’s posistion by simple bad luck

I don’t think they kill a script, but the fact that bags with them feels so off bothers me.

[karmic rose]

Oh I also don't think this is that hot of a take, but sentinel is based

fibbin, duchess, and sentinel all do wonders for "we aren't Steven Medway and can't tweak character abilities to fit a script"

[ivory ridge]

agreed except for duchess

[cyan reef]

I've seen a few interesting Duchess scripts before

one was a Leviathan script focused on only "you start knowing" abilities, the other was a solo-Vortox script

[karmic rose]

i definitely see duchess less often but

[ivory ridge]

i think duchess is a lot more load on st than people think and bad duchess ping could ruin games

[supple dirge]

I've only seen fibbin on a teensyville, maybe I should use it sometime.

[ivory ridge]

(why the hell do you give an evil goon a 1 and two good a 0 vs 1)

i'm still very traumatized

[supple dirge]

You need reasons for townsfolk to doubt their own info, with scripts I've made with loud minions and non-poisoning demons I've done sentinel and drunk, but maybe sentinel and fibbin works too.

[tardy wyvern]

I dislike Sentinel as a script building tool but I also have to acknowledge that we don’t have enough script building tools to make Sentinel not required at least some of the time

[cyan reef]

yeah idk if I've ever seen Fibbin...typically, it's only really for scripts with no misinfo, and those scripts are rare

[tardy wyvern]

only time I’ve ever seen fibbin was on an old riot script

and that one world cup script that uses fibbin

[karmic rose]

longform SnV needing fibbin is hilarious to me tbh

[cyan reef]

I'll stand by Sentinel being one of my best additions to Extension Cord

[tardy wyvern]

Extension Cord is like the one script I can think of that Sentinel improves

[karmic rose]

i think i definitely run into/build quick scripts where sentinel is preferable to any of the other options

[sour harness]

TPD lost it and WH gained it so which one lol

[tardy wyvern]

oh I was referring to tpd

I did not know WH gained fibbin

I guess 3 then lol

[lost thistle]

my name is steven
i made the baron

[feral snow]

It was difficult to put the script together

[next marlin]

@ivory ridge

[next marlin]

(Mizu was the recluse in catfishing who misregistered to my savant info and was in a fake balloonist ping and didn't claim recluse until d3, it was the most "failed pivot bluff" shit you've seen in your life)

[ivory ridge]

i still win

[next marlin]

yeah it is also worth noting we executed the demon d3

[foggy grotto]

hatter is fine when there's optimal choices

[ivory ridge]

that's crazy

[muted crescent]

poisoner is a lot more ok then ppl make it out to be

[shrewd cloud]

Kind of agree and disagree at the same time. It’s nowhere near splashable enough to just be the default droison option for scripts (though unfortunately it sort of is when you look at what kind of scripts are common)

But I also do think it gets raked over the coals wayyyy too much and that there are worse things that are also common on scripts

[muted crescent]

yea poisoner can be bad when its used by people who dont know how to build scripts

but ppl who are experienced with it act like players are coughing babies that cant ever tell if they're poisoned unless it cleanly fits a Puzzle of the Week graphic

[honest tide]

Oh one more: Spirit of Ivory is usually unnecessary. It’s useful for things like looping mez but otherwise you should just build your script better

[coarse fern]

This isn’t a hot take this is a correct take

[versed junco]

Fact take

[cloud plover]

Roles like Heretic, Legion, and Atheist mostly disguise bad script building. You have a bad script, but "ooooooh anything could be happening" so surprise it's actually balanced

[sour harness]

[5/20] What's a script building take that you know is wrong by universal knowledge but you still believe personally?

[barren zenith]

Savant + Recluse :p

[sour harness]

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx7xV_F0VzxMWS5NxVmOZzlvbcThN5cweg?si=Sy-O7k8r3mvL5xaY

[next marlin]

Harm reduction customs are possible guys we're going to make one we're going to make a functional script so when new players absolutely refuse to play anything but customs like 90% of them do they don't have to be traumatized by Legion it's going to work this time I swear --

[feral snow]

I fell victim to that one

but also you don't hate it so like it's fine

[next marlin]

I disagree with Hystrex's premise but this is my holy grail illusion

So it's the closest valid answer

[tacit fiber]

I feel like this question was just asked

[next marlin]

Especially because I already did "you can have +1.5 evils if you're not a coward"

[karmic rose]

it's totally ok to make somewhat janky scripts that are realistically only gonna be played a few times

[next marlin]

This is a rephrasing to get actual hot takes and also fit hystrex's world schema

[karmic rose]

idk how hot of a take this is; i'm pretty ok with seeking feedback that's like "i'm gonna run this thrice, is there anything that's likely to break within 3 games"

[sour harness]

More or less? The question is also intentionally exaggerated

[next marlin]

personally I just think it's funny that this kind of shit happens to mizu

it's his equivalent of me having 4 vigor pings on me as the klutz bluffing savant

[dry sluice]

I have a Python script that checks for "bad" interactions in scripts. Here are some interactions I tagged as "bad":

• No Dashii + any of Baron / Godfather / Xaan
• Misinfo in 3 categories: (Drunk/Puzzlemaster) AND (Poisoner/Widow/Xaan) AND (No Dashii/Pukka/Lleech)
• Librarian with Mutant/Goon/Politician
• Village Idiot with Puzzlemaster/Widow

[next marlin]

Librarian/Politician is based if you're playing exactly Clockwork Cyborg or Harold Holt's Revenge

notably one of these has fully arbitrary outsiders and the other is Harold Holt's Revenge

[dry sluice]

If you're a Politician seen by a Librarian, you kiiiinda have to give up on the alt wincon plan, right?

[next marlin]

#5-days-on-day-3 was one of the greatest known poli flips and he was in a lib ping

it was also Harold Holt's Revenge

[tardy wyvern]

• Lleech

[next marlin]

(he was, despite being in a trusted lib poli ping, probably the other most trusted townsfolk claim on the grim)

[tardy wyvern]

Sorry I’m a hater #hating

Why is librarian with mutant goon and politician bad?

I kinda get poli but I don’t see the other two

[dry sluice]

Disclaimer: these are purely thought experiments, so you can override my thoughts with actual play.
Librarian/Mutant: Brings a game closer to the "oppressive/trivial" regime of madness where everyone knows you're the Mutant but you can't say it
Librarian/(Goon/Poli): It's not script-ruining since it's 1 of 2, but it's just kinda unpleasant to be an "outed" one of these outsiders

After all, if you claim Goon D1, you kinda lose your agency to win with whatever team you end up on

[next marlin]

Yeah imo lib mutant is something where if you're doing it you really need to not do it if the player who rolls lib is someone who will stand in town square and yell about who the mutant is

It's kind of funny if it's scriptmates with drunk or poli because you can claim to have pinged one of those and the worldbuilding can be mostly right without falling into hellzones (and if you're accidentally covering up a real one of those -- mutant is an outsider!)

[dry sluice]

All of TB's outsiders have the great property that they're happy to be in a Librarian ping

[dry sluice]

I do have this "bad" interaction: any of Cult Leader / Mez / Bounty Hunter / Alchemist / Engineer / Vizier / Preacher / Zealot / Summoner

Feel free to speculate which of these are "characters I dislike" and which are "characters that are too hard for my program to evaluate whether they can fit on a script"

[sour harness]

What's wrong with vi widow???

With PM there's the idea of "it's impossible to distinguish vi drunk from puzzledrunk" and while I disagree that that makes it a bad interaction I understand

This does not apply to widow

[karmic rose]

I'm SO MAD that the last day of that game was the one day where I was too busy irl to follow town square closely

[next marlin]

I'm going to be honest I don't think "following town square closely" was a realistic goal there

I was following it and I still had to keep asking stuff like "sorry, why is the snake charmer 'hard confirmed' to be the cerenovus"

[karmic rose]

as I iirc it was because the politician in a librarian ping who outed politician earlier that day said they were

[next marlin]

ceremad invest yeah

but there were supposed to be 20 other reasons

I can't believe lepa was finally built as good ever for once and it was this

[karmic rose]

yea I never found those either lmao

[next marlin]

but yeah lib poli works on scripts where it's incredibly bluffable and where someone in a lib poli ping can drive worldbuilding, and it's possible both of those scripts have been made

maybe there's a third script with those

[dry sluice]

Maybe it's better than I make it out to be, but I just don't picture town using logic to win a setup like VI+VI+VI+Fortune Teller+Undertaker+Widow+Imp

[tardy wyvern]

Ok don’t bagbuild 3/5 TF to be village idiots

[next marlin]

this was every game when VI came out

[dry sluice]

(Like, ever? Is +2 just something to naturally avoid in 1-minion games)

[next marlin]

It does confirm modulo +evils that at least one VI claim is always good

I wouldn't say never

But it's a bit of a meme setup

[karmic rose]

ok but what if I have a real, totally good, not unfun setup that's 3x VI, 1x Drunk (sees VI), 1x Pixie VI, 1x Philo, a Mutant, and an amnesiac with the VI ability

[next marlin]

nightmare

[sour harness]

It's ok the philo is gonna go mutant

[tidal quiver]

And then the last character is atheist, that is the only way to save it

[honest tide]

Wizard too

[karmic rose]

Oh, corollary: I think "bad" interactions that can be mitigated with decent STing are fine.

There is nothing wrong with a script that's fun for like 3-5 games and features knight + imp

[ivory ridge]

oh i have one

it’s like tangentially related to how i build script in general too

a good script doesn’t need its bag to be randomizable, but i genuinely do think mamixizing randomability within possible parameters are good (cc) and cool (tm) actually

i dislike script where half the bag are like, not functional

[barren zenith]

Tm?

With CC, you sorta have to account for a widow fwiw

Also, seamstress and mathematician are the strongest TF there

Completely unrelatedly

[ivory ridge]

copyrighted, and trademarked 😭

[ivory ridge]

BMR in shambles (yes DA is the Poisoner/Cere of BMR)

[sour harness]

Bro just tried to copyright the word "good" and misspelled a single letter

[barren zenith]

I thought it was a script bc you put CC before 😭 😭

I think my brain has been massively altered by this server

[ivory ridge]

dylan go eat 😔

but yeah i also have others opinion on some character and script building

the one problem i have is that i just know im objectively correct and im always right so i can’t put it here

[cloud plover]

All scripts require 3-4 YSK

[ivory ridge]

bmr have 3 ysk why are you guys reacting like that?

grandmother, godfather and goon (ysk you should kill yourself NOW)

[sour harness]

No BMR has 3 ysk and they're sailor tea lady and pacifist

[barren zenith]

Tea Lady (Townsfolk): You start knowing that you are sat next to the demon.

[zenith lotus]

thats shugenja

[barren zenith]

It can be both :p

[dry sluice]

SNV has "5" YSKs (clockmaker, seamstress, artist, evil twin, doomed snake charmer)

[barren zenith]

I'm sorry, but I am never using my seamstress ability N1

[sour harness]

Note taken

[rose vault]

Clockmaker: "You start knowing half the grim can't be the demon based on the twin pair."
Seamstress: "You start knowing that two evil players are the same alignment."
Artist: "You start knowing whether or not it's a Vortox game."
Evil Twin: "You start knowing a player: each day, argue with them."
Snake Charmer: "You start knowing you are absolutely fucked. Each night, choose a player."

[foggy grotto]

ayyyy fellow Chris and Jack enjoyer

[zenith lotus]

who isnt a chris and jack enjoyer

[hollow oasis]

We’re all Chris and Jack enjoyers

[fast anchor]

ND + Godfather is based if it's GF-1

[tidal quiver]

yeah xaan and gf totally work with dashii

[fast anchor]

Xaan is a little more tenuous because it is a lot of poison

but depending on playercount it's not unworkable

[dry sluice]

Yeah, it's in the category "bad interaction, but an ST can easily bag-build to avoid it"

[karmic rose]

[5/21]

Choose a character: what's their favorite video game?

[shrewd cloud]

Very casual gamer who enjoys Cooking Mama

[honest tide]

LoL

[feral snow]

I WAS GONNA SAY THAT

[wispy nest]

: A tutorial on how to a demon

Wait no I read the question wrong

I missed out game

[supple dirge]

Keep talking and nobody explodes

[honest tide]

I feel like they probably play that very badly

[wispy nest]

same

[pseudo fulcrum]

Hitman

[dense moat]

Plants vs Zombies

[dense moat]

(they exclusively make their lanes symmetrical and will restart a level if it isn’t)

[coarse fern]

Super Smash Bros

Or whatever it’s called

[tidal quiver]

Blue Prince

[acoustic chasm]

Papers Please

Factorio

Team Fortress 2

Wizard101 (I mean duh)

Any FPS game but only when they get carried by their teammates.

[versed junco]

Town of Salem

[acoustic chasm]

I was also thinking

Getting Over it. Not playing it but watching youtubers and streamers rage playing it.

[versed junco]

Ultrakill

[sharp violet]

Yu-Gi-Oh!

Genshin Impact

[ivory ridge]

in stars and time
little nightmare
genshin impact
hyperrogue
plant vs zombies
the witcher 3
heaven's vault
baba is you
shining nikki
journey
the stanley parable
pokemon rby
detention

doki doki literature club
we happy few
ravenous devils
valorant

the coffin of andy & leyley
elden ring
potion craft
disco elysium

yume nikki
cultist simulator
sunless sea
this is not a game

[versed junco]

Shovel Knight. Or Hollow Knight. Or Shovel Knight Dig.

[sour harness]

Heaven's Vault mentioned 🔥🔥🔥 (I never finished it)

[ivory ridge]

i only recommend goated game i fear

the one im unsure of is probably barber as hollow knight

[sour harness]

It's a really cool game!! It's also a touch unplayable

[ivory ridge]

the rest are pretty locked in

[karmic rose]

I'm so not normal about heaven's vault

truly in the uncanny valley of user playability (what do you mean you'd like to see your inventory?) but it's my little skrunklo of a game

if you like it, I'd really recommend wanikani

[karmic rose]

Ace attorney

[versed junco]

was waiting for it

[karmic rose]

yeah it's very obvious lol

[cold veldt]

Undertale

[karmic rose]

I think and play this but well

[versed junco]

specifically Apollo Justice I will add

[karmic rose]

oh absolutely

[karmic rose]

yeah I'm NGL the games on this list that I have played are so consistently goated that I now feel like I should play the rest

[ivory ridge]

don't play valorant

[tidal quiver]

some of these are based but why barber hollow knight?

I mean the correct option would be to say every character and disco elysium but you all can have your opinions

admittedly I'm struggling on a magician one

I feel like the barber would like one of those sim games like truck simulator or smth

[ivory ridge]

because i have no idea what to put for barber and the idea of retrieving your soul as barber swap is like, tangentially related

[versed junco]

he relates heavily to Kristoph Gavin

[tidal quiver]

very tenuous imo

barber's favorite is whatever game has a super detailed character creater

to customize the hairstyle of course

[ivory ridge]

OH MY GOD

ravenous devils

it's based on sweeney todd

😭

[sour harness]

And yagga

[sour harness]

I fully get that

The language mechanics are so cool

However I simply could not stick with the game

Which is a shame

Chants of sennaar was really good and scratched the same itch while also being more playable

-# ignore the ending

[sour harness]

I'm not seeing it on steam, am I searching for the wrong thing or is it not there

Wait this?? https://www.wanikani.com/

[feral snow]

i like wanikani

yes it's that

[karmic rose]

yes lmao

if you like learning the fictional heaven's vault language. may I recommend Japanese, where you get things like "ambulance = hurry rescue car"

[ivory ridge]

ambulance in english is even more whimsical

"mobile hospital"

[karmic rose]

I love etymology

[ivory ridge]

least surprising botc regulars hobby

what's next? theatre, band and short stories? 😭

[tidal quiver]

Isn't it specifically "walking hospital"?

[ivory ridge]

same thing

sksksksksk

[tidal quiver]

"Um, actually"
-me

Ok but walking hospital is certainly more whimsical than mobile hospital

Imagine a walking hospital

[foggy grotto]

tf2

[foggy grotto]

definitely loves powerwash simulator

[foggy grotto]

i 100% agree with this cerenovus take in every way possible

[ivory ridge]

kenoboi

are you typing out one for bmr

[dense moat]

Stardew Valley

[foggy grotto]

Words with Friends
Return of the Obra Din
This Bed We Made
Phasmophobia
Inn Keeper
CSGO
KTANE (people already said this one)
Mario Brothers
Academia School Simulator
Friday Night Funkin
Wanderstop
Undertale
Jackbox

uh probably something NSFW (if someone thinks of something better lmk)
Hotline Miami
Incryption (Leshy final phase)
Bad Piggies

Mafia
Ace Attorney
Hitman
chess.com

The Last of Us
Plague Inc
I Am Your Beast
The Thing

[ivory ridge]

obra dinn mentioned 🗣️

[dense moat]

Touches grass for real

Cuphead

[foggy grotto]

Sort the Court

[foggy grotto]

because contracts?

yeah that makes sense

[dense moat]

Also you are working for the Devil and there is shooting

[foggy grotto]

Cult of the Lamb

[foggy grotto]

does the BH work for the devil

[ivory ridge]

Lobotomy Corporation for

...maybe

[dense moat]

Nah but BH does seem like a rough type, even as a TF

[foggy grotto]

Plague Inc

[dense moat]

Like I know they don’t turn evil (usually) but I can see it

[ivory ridge]

basically all the employee there are disposable

[cold veldt]

assassin is so true actually

[ivory ridge]

i want to do one for tb

but i already took snv so someone else do it

nerdguy

[foggy grotto]

The Binding of Isaac but for all the wrong reasons

i wanna change pukka

Subnautica definitely

[dense moat]

Super Mario Odyssey

I just realized I had to do that

[ivory ridge]

oh if we're doing experimental character

slay the princess

[foggy grotto]

Disco Elysium also

[foggy grotto]

SO TRUE

Detroit Become Human

[ivory ridge]

fear and hunger

[foggy grotto]

do not mention that game.

[ivory ridge]

why 😭

[foggy grotto]

that game made me lose so much of my sanity

[ivory ridge]

reigns
deemo
cult of the lamb

[dense moat]

What is the TB lineup btw?

Since we have SNV & BMR?

[ivory ridge]

you can do it 🔥

be the change you want to be

[dense moat]

I shall consider…

[tidal quiver]

why is this so fire (of the games I know)

[cold veldt]

lethal company

[ivory ridge]

consider library of ruina for librarian

[hollow oasis]

Quick say is evil genius 2

(Because using the slang use of goon sucks and we need to speed up its death in the public lingo)

[ivory ridge]

balan wonderworld

[cold veldt]

tbh i'd imagine it to be something multiplayer for legion. maybe like minecraft or garry's mod

[ivory ridge]

oh i just search up 'video games known for negative reviews'

[hollow oasis]

Legion has a full TF2 highlander team

[cold veldt]

but 12 "people" sitting down in a room to each play 50 hours of balan's wonderworld does fit with the vibe of legion

[tidal quiver]

f o r t n i t e

[tidal quiver]

fire but also there's no way that legion plays good games

[hollow oasis]

The legion hate seeping through

[hollow oasis]

Oh I know

[ivory ridge]

wdym lol

[hollow oasis]

Legion mass joins roblox lobbies and bullies small children

[cold veldt]

life pro tip, don't look up what the balan wonderworld guy looks like without his hat. worst mistake of my life

[cold veldt]

ermmmm based department?

[ivory ridge]

there are no seeping here, this is pure unadulterated hatred

(also i won against legion, again)

i think i now won against legion more than not

[hollow oasis]

Yay you

Play pacifist legion

Just trust

[dense moat]

Kirby Star Allies

Merge Mansion

[cold veldt]

powerwash simulator

blue prince

[ivory ridge]

monopoly street

(no monopoly video game are good)

[tidal quiver]

great minds think alike

[cold veldt]

i figured someone might've said it already but i wasn't backreading everything

[hollow oasis]

Deep Rock Galactic

[tidal quiver]

wow they're dwarfs not ogres

how about gnome for DRG

[hollow oasis]

Both

Both is good

Is teamwork man

[ivory ridge]

oh my god

[tidal quiver]

we need one for each class

[ivory ridge]

the werecleaner

https://tenor.com/view/werecleaner-werewolf-gif-14181674902060406817

[hollow oasis]

Ogre=Gunner

Gnome=Engineer

[tidal quiver]

scout = acrobat maybe?

[hollow oasis]

True

[tidal quiver]

psychopath is driller

[ivory ridge]

i mean isn't just minecraft

[hollow oasis]

Nice we have a DRG team

demo consoles at gamestop

all of them

[sharp violet]

With loads of mods installed (notably Create)

[honest tide]

Factorio surely

[junior knot]

yeah i don't see engi being minecraft. Maybe Kerbal? or like the angry bird pig game?

[feral snow]

I love the implication that you know Kerbal Space Program but do not know the full name of Angry Birds

Engineer would be Scrap Mechanic

[sour harness]

probably Bad Piggies

but we can ignore that

[feral snow]

Ohhhh Bad Piggies yeah okay makes sense

Yeah that’s much better actually

[next marlin]

My favourite detail of Cultist Simulator being the vigor one is that cultsim is an actually poorly designed game that manages to be incredibly based for other reasons

[tidal quiver]

I can sense a vatiwall about cultist simulator just under the surface

[foggy grotto]

uh oh

[torpid mist]

would read

[versed junco]

[22/5]
Following on from yesterday:
Choose a character- what's their favourite movie?

[modern plume]

Chef - Chef

Mathematician - A tie between A Beautiful Mind, The Man Who Knew Infinity, and The Imitation Game

Al-Hadikhia - SAW

[iron scarab]

- you wont believe this one

[versed junco]

The Crayola Movie?

[cold veldt]

- A Minecraft Movie
(they would yell CHICKEN JOCKEY!!!!! and all the other funny lines)

[honest tide]

- unexpectedly: God’s Not Dead

- Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind

[karmic rose]

isn't "gods not dead" supposed to be an awful movie lmao

[honest tide]

Yeah

The atheist finds it hilariously bad

Could also be The VelociPastor

[tidal quiver]

vortox - sharknado

[cloud plover]

Spiritfarer

[supple dirge]

The monkey

https://tenor.com/view/the-monkey-movie-film-osgood-perkins-oz-perkins-gif-4115867316464827969

[cloud plover]

Twelve angry men

[cyan reef]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-sigh-gif-4745915961628580687

[shrewd cloud]

Texas Chainsaw Massacre

[junior knot]

A Quiet Place

[lucid crag]

The Mario Brothers Movie

Shrek 2

Toy story

[dense moat]

Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter

[sharp violet]

Hamilton

[torpid mist]

Wicked

[fleet hedge]

An Inspector Calls

[foggy grotto]

Dr Strangelove

[lost thistle]

the official Blood on the Clocktower mobile app

[dense moat]

Spirited Away

[junior knot]

Not + : The Truman Show?

[sour harness]

Just legion

[naive flame]

anything Royal Related

Plants Vs Zombies but it's the FPS Pvp one.(Yes it exists)

[naive flame]

Ghostbusters ❤️

The Shining for sure.

The Conjuring

The Nun

Cinderella

[foggy grotto]

garden warfare my beloved

[naive flame]

🔥

[foggy grotto]

except that’s not an FPS

but close enough

[gray ridge]

Plants vs zombies mentioned 🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥🤑🤑🤑🤑

and is stardew valley

They play together

[versed junco]

specifically Battle For Neighborville, because like Zombuul it's dead as hell

[junior knot]

[5/23]: in a similar vein, Choose a character: what would they bring to a potluck?

[modern plume]

Cannibal - Guests

Fisherman , Tea Lady , Drunk - Take a wild guess for each-

[foggy grotto]

cake

[dense moat]

Belladonna

[dense moat]

(unfortunately, they forgot there was a potlock and filled up on food, so they will not be eating)

A bear they killed yesterday

Candy

Drugs

[supple dirge]

A pretty rock they found

[modern plume]

Cookies. Made with love.

[lost thistle]

the pot

[dense moat]

Coffee

A human ear (dont ask where they got it)

A suspiciously sharpened carving knife

[sharp violet]

Chicken Pot Pi

[wispy nest]

take a wild guess

[shrewd cloud]

Cake, but with meat inside of it. The cake was a lie

[karmic rose]

- they overslept and show up 2 hours late with a gas station 2L bottle of coke

[ivory ridge]

& : half & half chocolate cake. one side is made with guinness, the other laced with weed

[modern plume]

- One of the few bringing actual reasonable food. It's just all raw-

[hollow oasis]

the contents of their communal dumpster(mostly bodies) cooked into a stew

[modern plume]

This potluck sucks so far

- Whatever they discovered through 'legitimate' investigation was the group's favorite dishes

[hollow oasis]

A marble sculpture collection of the criminals they've captured

[modern plume]

- Couldn't attend the potluck. It's the day of his daughter's wedding.

[hollow oasis]

Poisoned cake

[junior knot]

: A plate of Peas (if anyone knows which World Cup game I'm referencing)

[hollow oasis]

(The goblin died.)

[modern plume]

: Kool-Aid

[junior knot]

boo

[modern plume]

What?

[junior knot]

(the classic groan reserved for Great Puns)

[modern plume]

What's the pun?

[hollow oasis]

Vacuum to suck out intaked food from guests

[modern plume]

- Leftovers

[feral snow]

flavour aid

[tidal quiver]

soap

[dense moat]

Didn’t bring anything, said something about “not bending over to eat from the mud like some peasant”

Bananas

[hollow oasis]

A Leprechaun in a pot

transformation potion in a pot

[lost thistle]

Weed Brownies

[sharp violet]

Lasagna

(I just like interpreting the common Townsfolk as normal people)

[dense moat]

Garlic

[sharp violet]

Like just so happens to be the one who cooks for his family so he brings a good Shrimp Alfredo pasta dish

And that doesn’t have to reflect their stated flavor or gameplay ability, it’s nice imagining what happens behind the camera

Obviously it’s nice when it does, but I think it’s tiring if every single one does

[shrewd cloud]

The visual of a demonic tornado monster thing having a guilty pleasure for, like, blueberry muffins is amusing I will give it that

[sharp violet]

But the other thing is those standard Townsfolk that often just get put on the script to fill out the info/ability landscape - I feel like they don’t see much attention and I want to give them that

So yeah, maybe Vortox has a guilty pleasure for blueberry muffins, but you know who else does? Knight!

[cedar sky]

:Those little heart shaped candies with words on them
:^Oh yeah this guy too
:Anything they can find on r/forbiddensnacks
:Pot full of a mischevious brew (she heard the "pot" in potluck and got exited to use her cauldron for the first time)
:Mystery jelly beans
:Leftovers from dinner last night

[junior knot]

https://tenor.com/view/dumbledore-albus-percival-wulfric-brian-dumbledore-harry-potter-toffee-gif-7845664

be like

[fast anchor]

swears they brought some gros michel banana bread but it disappeared on the way you gotta believe them

[tidal quiver]

look 1/6 is hard

[cloud plover]

: Surprisingly tasty homemade granola-honey bars. They sit untouched until the final 3 foods are left and then people all start talking about what a good option they actually are

[junior knot]

[5/24]: if there were 3 way jinxes, what would be most fun/necessary?

[fast anchor]

formalizing how philo + hatejinxes should work would be nice

[gusty bear]

philo/zealot/butler via shenanigans should be clarified so that it is clear i am correct in that they must vote exactly as their master does

[feral snow]

Alchemist anything

[tardy wyvern]

cannibal snitch vortox

it would be nice to have an actual defined ruling on what counts as a TF ability for vortox bc iirc it's inconsistent

[sour harness]

Still a huge fan of alch et psycho

Just don't kill each other

There's also. This.

[foggy grotto]

LoT King Choirboy probably

[tidal quiver]

sorry I'm blind, what's the jinx necessary for that?

[hollow oasis]

LoT neighbors king.

king becomes minion

Choirboy gets screwed

[tidal quiver]

Ah makes sense

[karmic slate]

Why 3 way jinx though?

[foggy grotto]

The LoT turning the King affects the choirboy

although following the huntsman jinx precedent i guess it could just be a LoT Choirboy jinx

[iron scarab]

how is this actually run

head shake?

[iron scarab]

this confirms to the demon that a choirboy is in play though, right?

[fast anchor]

head shake, show the jinxed character, mark as spent

(mark them with their own philo drunk token, as if they had philod philo)

[modern plume]

Makes sense, would then be interesting though what to do if two jinxes are good reason for this. Say a Philo tries to take Heretic while both Spy & Widow are in play. (This seems like some awful script design, but hey while we're here might as well consider)

Do you show both to mean both are in play, show both to indicate at least one is in play, or just pick and choose which one to show?

[fast anchor]

I'd just pick one

I probably wouldn't show both spy and widow?

Though there's an argument to be made that you should

[modern plume]

You could show both to indicate one is in play at least, which has the least information. You would show both even if only one is in play in this case

[ivory ridge]

[??:??]: what's your most & least favorite experimental characters? why?

[dense moat]

Really cool addition to the YSK roster that fits in so many places

I have a personal vendetta because I've tried so many times to make this work. It also has become arguably worse since newchemist, as you no longer gain any info from it. This messes with some scripts that wanted Alch to get info on a not-in-play Minion

[tidal quiver]

I have decided that I'm not gonna go for the low-hanging fruit
I think general is really cool in how versatile it is as oracle meets confirmation meets savant sorta thing and if anyone says that you can't actually gain any info from it then I will fight you irl
I'm just not a fan of some of the play patterns it creates

also honorable mention to the stormcatcher

[dense moat]

Low hanging fruit being Cult Leader and maybe Lleech or Ojo?

[barren zenith]

forces the good team to conceal their info
just a bit boring to play as
Honourable (and not so honourable) mentions go to xaan/PM and Kazali in certain groups

[next marlin]

Magica is world's #1 Magician fan

[torpid mist]

I'm gonna go for the low-hanging fruit
an incredibly effective way to disrupt good's coordination efforts in a way that requires the good team to oftentimes play against their better judgement in order to maintain control over the town square, while still not leaving them without counterplay
try to make an evil team where Engineer works, I dare you
there's like maybe three at most