secret thing

[sour harness]

Fun

[feral snow]

ohhh

wait mizu dm me who was this again?

ah okay

[pseudo fulcrum]

spoilered for unreleased reasons (||typo of fanzazz||)

[coarse fern]

Technically not in a game but I think it can still count

[foggy grotto]

The seamstress was planning on using their ability that night, so as everyone was going to the night phase they shouted (completely innocently btw) “It’s seamin’ time!”

it’s perfectly innocent when you write it but when you sound it out you will understand why we all burst into laughter and still to this day call the guy “Steven Seam” (his name is not Steven)

[supple dirge]

Seamstress saying they scissored both their neighbors

[naive flame]

HELP

also this definetly counts

[lucid crag]

"PLEASE tell me you ate your grandma."

[lost thistle]

[time may or may not be real]:
related question

what is the most Thing™️ you have seen in a game?

(examples: the butler incident, the philo-klutz incident…)

[hollow oasis]

@next marlin That vigor game

[lost thistle]

please elaborate..

[next marlin]

If the dreamer had literally ever picked a minion, I swear to god

[next marlin]

Parker accidentally vigorkilled a good cerenovus and won off it

[lost thistle]

ashdjfufhfhhHUAHDHFJ??????

[next marlin]

The pithag decided to turn the math into a cere and, completely uncoordinated, he killed them the same night

Actually the pithag and demon chose the same player every single night for the entire game by accident

"holy shit this evil team is so coordinated they keep turning people into on-death outsiders and killing them"

Also the sage got executed off the vigor-poisoned savant info that the cere was trying to explain was poisoned and everyone forgot

[lost thistle]

whatd the good cere even do with madness

did they just try to make people mad as their own claim

[next marlin]

Kept picking evils which was fun

In f3 he picked the pithag who was a demon frame due to a ludicrously serendipitous clock number and the pithag immediately went "HEY GUYS, I'M THE SAVANT" and the last living good player went "no you fucking aren't, I nominate [pithag]"

[lost thistle]

that actually sounds kinda silly

like
“hi im the good cere im making people mad as what they’ve already claimed to me. hi i made you mad as your own role”

is going ‘yea you did im that role can confirm that you made me mad as my own role’ a madness break,

[next marlin]

to clarify 'ludicrously serendipitous clock number': the witch was outed evil and also hard double claiming his DREAMER-SNIPED demon and not backing down, there was a clock 3 in a 10p, and by some insane magick the pithag (in the actual clock number) spawned 3 steps from the witch

also the witch got 2 kills

[lost thistle]

incredible game

[lean isle]

Recluse got the Slayer ability from Alch-Boffin, shot themself and died.

[tacit fiber]

Gay Legion

[hollow oasis]

He tried to claim madness but the cere was like “but It’s not a cere game”

[next marlin]

yeah that was amazing

the cere just went up and talked to you d2

and was like "you're in a double claim" and you just went "uhhh yeah don't worry about it I think he's mad"

"IT'S WITCH/PITHAG I JUST GOT TURNED INTO THE GOOD CERENOVUS" [leaves chat]

[hollow oasis]

I was like

“Oh”

Guess my witch is gonna die

[lost thistle]

please elaborate

[tacit fiber]

iirc we played a legion script where every single legion (except one) was queer and we called it gay legion lmao

[tidal quiver]

4 nights in a row of no deaths in this one snv longtext (I think it was a demon type change, then demon exe'd but twins alive, then demon making, then a sink)

[tacit fiber]

I also had a final 3 of 3 self noms

(no lleech)

[ivory ridge]

wait

are we talking about incident

[next marlin]

yes

[ivory ridge]

should’ve save racist matron for today

but anyway there’s this incident in our group where i’m still salty

solo fang gu script with lycanthrope, drunk, pm and marionette (no other o-mod)

[next marlin]

oh a different incident

[ivory ridge]

so the scarlet woman was ex day 1

(i was the fang gu)

[tardy wyvern]

The Gunslinger Suicide Incident

[ivory ridge]

scarlet woman got exed because of invest ping and i low-key don’t remember if they’re my minion but anyway

so i decided to tell my marionette early because i figure there’s a lycan in play after n2 and also because i need voting block

[tardy wyvern]

actually it might be the ||Senator|| incident that's probably funnier (spoiler: unreleased)

[ivory ridge]

then i fucking snipe the only outsider in a base 1 game based on social alone on the same night lycan pick me

everything was great right?

now why did i say the only outsider in a b1 fang gu game?

turn out my neighbours are puzzlemaster and the lycanthrope, and the st decided to marionette the puzzlemaster instead of the lycan

and the pm out the entire evil team because he thought “no fucking way i’m the marionette”

😭

truly an experience of time

[tardy wyvern]

best marionette game

[ivory ridge]

the funniest part is that the new fang gu got snake charm by philo-poisoned snake charmer, then snake charm by actual snake charmer and didn’t out till f5???

oh and also the new philo is poisoned which give the original snakecharmer a chance to just win with either good or evil if they want to because town cannot differentiate (f3 is og outsider, philo snakecharmer and snakecharmer)

[tardy wyvern]

I was gonna describe the ||Senator|| incident but apparently that's a spoiler (I honestly thought it was homebrew)

[feral snow]

That’s probably an incident in its own right

[tardy wyvern]

It was

I won't describe the game for the sake of spoilers but I was the Demon who was literally unable to be killed (if you know what ||Senator|| is you might be able to deduce how) despite being in a Seamstress no with the Fisherman who's advice was "kill Dell"

[feral snow]

That’s hilariously rough

[tardy wyvern]

In the Storyteller's defense, the Fisherman and me are players who are notoriously combative in our group and the Fisherman had bluffed getting his advice multiple times saying it was "kill Dell" so the ST thought it would be funny to actually give them that advice

Oh don't even get me started on the Metazykus incident actually

[lucid crag]

got kazalied into poisoner and instantly was preached n1

from dreamer

then was exed in final 3 as a lleech host cannidate because I kept claiming dreamer confidently but got nothing right

demon wasn't a lleech but a sailor survived exe twice and was in final 3

was pretty cool

[tardy wyvern]

There was some dumbass homebrew demon my friend thought was funny to put into the game (apparently just taken from some random reddit post that called out the homebrew as terrible) and it was so poorly defined that multiple times throughout the game the ST would just be asking questions about what was supposed to happen and I had to keep saying "I don't know, it's not an official character"

It was supposed to turn itself good and everyone else evil "on the final night" but it didn't specify when (and there were also two living evil demons that game because fuck you)

[feral snow]

Lmaoooo

Shoutout to Reddit homebrew

[tardy wyvern]

The Pit Hag turned a minion into a Vortox on night 2 and the ST chose to kill 3 people and none of them were demons

That was the game that solidified the fact that I had to actually look at scripts my group posted before deciding if I was going to show up that day

[lost thistle]

and EVERYONE ELSE?????

how are they meant to win????

[tardy wyvern]

Oh right

They don't learn they turned evil

[ivory ridge]

talking about homebrew

how functional is big barnacle

[tardy wyvern]

"The final night" is such a poorly defined and awful term and I don't think it should be used in any capacity

[lost thistle]

,,, so they want to be executed but everyone else doesn’t,

[tardy wyvern]

Is this the one with a 5 page MLA formatted essay for an ability text

[lost thistle]

do the minions stay evil

[feral snow]

I’d love it if they just defined it lol

It works

[tardy wyvern]

Yes

[lost thistle]

chess battle advanced

[tardy wyvern]

That was probably the worst game I've ever played

and I was evil and won (somehow??)

[ivory ridge]

yes

[tardy wyvern]

OH MY GOD

HOW DID I FORGET ABOUT THE FOUR LUNATICS INCIDENT

This was a 7 player game, the following characters were in play
Dreamer
Empath
Lunatic (Legion)
Marionette (Lunatic (Legion))
Alchemist (Marionette (Lunatic (Legion)))
Drunk (Alchemist (Marionette (Lunatic (Legion))))
Baron

[ivory ridge]

what

[tardy wyvern]

Lil Monsta was the demon and multiple times players who saw Legion were given the Lil' Monsta and didn't say anything just because everyone was confused

Also all the Lunatic Legion woke together

[ivory ridge]

Mario Luna is not possible 😭

[tardy wyvern]

Mario Luna is debatedly possible

There are a few things in this setup that just straight up break game rules, Mario Luna is not one of them

god I'm scrolling through my groups grimoires channel and being reminded of incidents

such as the Engineer Summoner incident

It was a choose your own role game (effectively Whalebuffet but Engineer wasn't banned) where the Engineer instnatly turned a Summoner into a Marionette, so they had to instantly create a Demon, and they turned the Engineer into the Zombuul, became the "King" and outed this to everyone

It took us a long time to figure out what the actual hell just happened because we all forgot about the Summoner Engineer jinx

Hilariously the reason we thought the Summoner was good was because right before this happened I asked the ST in private "if I made myself the choirboy would somebody become the king"

[dense moat]

(get a watch): The Honorable Judge has declared that executed characters must be granted a last meal. Pick a character and describe what you think they would request for a last meal.

[feral snow]

Bweakfast

[versed junco]

The Honorable Judge

[dense moat]

cake

[sour harness]

minions

[wispy nest]

beer

tea

beer???

[modern plume]

Pie

Pi

[wispy nest]

martini

[dense moat]

Also you could just do rum here

The flavor even menions it

[wispy nest]

oh yeah

water

[ivory ridge]

cake

[dense moat]

Salmon

Holy wafers & communion wine

[hollow oasis]

their 6th finger, sautéed

[ivory ridge]

fingers you mean

[fast anchor]

two number 9s, a number 9 large, a number 6 with extra dip, a number 7, two number 45s, one with cheese, and a large soda

[lost thistle]

hey wait so how big does this have to be again? what happens if i just don’t eat it, would i not be executed? what about if i just eat it really slowly? what if i order something that takes a really long time to-

is executed before they could even request something

[dense moat]

Sandwiches with toothpicks

[lost thistle]

this could also work for philo

[lost thistle]

Rock

then they kill the judge

[dense moat]

pulls a metal pipe on the judge

[lost thistle]

be glad the mathematician got executed before they could start talking about nonexistent food

[torpid mist]

bread

[hollow oasis]

No just that one extra finger

On their own hand

[dense moat]

Human pig brains

[hollow oasis]

KFC

[fast anchor]

that feels like racial stereotyping

surely the Shugenja would want to eat pi because of their icon

[feral snow]

What?

Oh

[hollow oasis]

Itself

[feral snow]

Only on Christmas

[hollow oasis]

Fair enough (they were on a killing spree to get their children the best presents)

[feral snow]

Oh no I meant because KFC is like only eaten at Christmas in Japan

[hollow oasis]

Yes

[ivory ridge]

not 1 from each legion?

[feral snow]

Well you can have it whenever but it’s a Christmas meal

[hollow oasis]

It’s a dissenting legion trying to revoke their membership before death

[hollow oasis]

They wanted one last Christmas dinner with their family

[ivory ridge]

we love a politician legion

[dense moat]

Funny. I would’ve said

An oddly specific number of jelly beans

[barren zenith]

"Get a watch" 🔥

[hollow oasis]

Pillagers with with sprinkles made of pebbles

[dense moat]

A five course banquet

(the Judge reluctantly allows it because it is the King speaking)

[ivory ridge]

a choirboy

[hollow oasis]

(The king then gets a heart attack whilst eating)

[hollow oasis]

Someone get the bonk

The floating blue people

“NO JONNY DON’T EAT A BOMB WE WANT TO KILL YOU THE OTHER WAY!”

An uno reverse card powerup

[barren zenith]

grass

[hollow oasis]

The NVIDIA factory

(random ingredients used to make a teleportation potion, judge used to be a practicing witch but can’t say anything for risk of being caught, so reluctantly agrees)

(The pithag goes free)

[fast anchor]

Rhaeakunda dirt

[next vault]

souls

[dense moat]

Eye drops

A banana

[next vault]

monster

a virgin from each zodiac sign

[dense moat]

Asks the Judge for their last meal

[next vault]

Didn't go to trial

[dense moat]

(and then peruses the galleries of Von Strauff after enjoying a sensual massage)

[fast anchor]

Alphabet soup

[next vault]

"Now, before we begin the trial, may you please say the word 'skydiver', there's no particular reason to this"

[dense moat]

Spent 8 minutes rattling off a story about yaks. Also, a chandelier fell on the Honorable Judge

[next vault]

makes the mad as any other character

makes the judge mad that another person is guilty

I don't want (insert meal)

[dense moat]

Bribes the judge to reduce charges into one minute of community service

[next vault]

will kill anyone who tries to put their amigo on jail

[barren zenith]

just tells the judge to shut up

[next vault]

No, I'M the Judge

[acoustic chasm]

gets executed after 1 minute

[barren zenith]

Love how we've all deviated from meals

[coarse fern]

?

[acoustic chasm]

"No I insist, I'll eat whatever you want sir"

[next vault]

sowwy I eated you

[dense moat]

Minecraft reference I assume

[ivory ridge]

“anything?”

[hollow oasis]

As in the rock

[coarse fern]

Mmm

Ok

[sharp violet]

Mom's homemade pizza

[worldly jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/sus-rock-gif-23559354

[cloud plover]

I'll have uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh

Smh 2/10 joke but I've already said it 😔

We'll get em next time

[zenith lotus]

oh look, we're at 40,002 messages in here

[sour harness]

I read that as 4,002 and I was like "no we don't it's more than that"

[coarse fern]

I like that you factored your own message into that

[ivory ridge]

wow that's almost 1 whole squall

[feral snow]

I have 46,005 messages on this server so more than a sqwall

[foggy grotto]

55 Burgers 55 Fries 55 Tacos 55 Pies

[tacit fiber]

I crossed 50k yesterday 😎

[feral snow]

That’s so concerning lol

[torpid mist]

Where can I look this up I wanna know how many thousands of messages more of a life I have than you

[feral snow]

Ctrl F: “from:malvora.”

Or use the search bar

On mobile it only says 1000+ you’d need to be on PC to see more than that

[torpid mist]

See that's what I get for using discord on mobile

6'285

I'm practically a baby

[feral snow]

Damn you’ve been here way longer than me

[torpid mist]

Seems I really do have a life 😎

Nah I've just had long periods of inactivity

I mainly used to come here for homebrew advice and then leave again when I'd run out of ideas
Now I lurk in custscripts instead

[feral snow]

[i decide what time it is] What’s your pet peeve about this game?

I have so so so so soooo many, but I’ll leave one for now: I get mad when people hate a character or say it’s flawed because “you need a good storyteller”. Like wow that’s so crazy who could have guessed

Or as an extension of this, when they hate a character and then give a reason not at all related to the character

[barren zenith]

I don't like Vortox

Too many bad interactions

Like with the Alchemist, which breaks quadjank with the update

You need a good ST for vortox as well

[supple dirge]

My biggest pet peeve is mayors dying at night way too easy. Like if the demon picks them twice they just let them die.

[foggy grotto]

I second this. Mayors should only die if they’re unframable

[sour harness]

Stop mixing up people and players, they are different concepts and it matters

I don't want to call people evil or kill them, but that's totally fine for players

[tacit fiber]

"75% chance for Spy to be in play" SHUT UP STOP BRINGING STATS INTO A GAME WITH ACTUAL INFORMATION

[supple dirge]

Its a 50/50, either it happens or it doesn't

[ivory ridge]

the entire rant i did to you yesterday about custom scripts demon

[feral snow]

Great answer

[ivory ridge]

it was such a long rant

how many word did i type

oh only 700 words

[feral snow]

I got 100 pings

[ivory ridge]

i lied

(with fewer word since some stamp happen)

so 1500 words

[feral snow]

That’s longer than my high school essays

[ivory ridge]

removing some random dialogue

[cold veldt]

people who say ravenskeeper

[torpid mist]

People who believe they can prescribe how I communicate and think they can tell me I can't use "person" to mean "player" indiscriminately in any context

[feral snow]

I love how half the answers are just doing the things people hate

[fast anchor]

executing soldier/mayor claims because they're soldier/mayor claims and not because they're evil

[feral snow]

Oh my group does that

All the time

“It’s always a bluff” “they’re socially evil” literally no they’re not they’re washerwoman confirmed

[fast anchor]

i just lost a f&b game to the washerwoman getting the mayor killed and tanking his socials

so i tunneled on the washerwoman pair being evil in response

and then ended up as the only good in f3 and lost the 50/50

[torpid mist]

The only thing better than a Soldier is a dead Soldier 🔥

There's some poetic meaning deep in there but I don't care enough to extract it

[honest tide]

My biggest pet peeve is when players try to force a player into doing a specific game action that they don’t really want to do (usually with once per games but can also be things like gossips or al guesses). It feels really bad because even if I speak up and say “hey don’t pressure people into doing stuff” they still feel pressure regardless and it’s a whole feels bad

[tidal quiver]

yeah it completely shuts off fearmonger

[karmic rose]

My personal pet peeve is when players will relitigate the same argument without bringing up new points, especially during someone's nomination

[honest tide]

Also there’s a tiny contingent of my play group that does this thing where they group up and team up regardless of alignment (they’ve mostly stopped now). When that was happening it was the most maddening shit. They’d say stuff like “I can vouch for them” not realizing that because of the public statement they made nobody else could trust them even if they are good

[karmic rose]

I have a fairly quiet voice and can't talk over 3-4 loud players

[honest tide]

That one’s more niche but it grinded my gears so hard when it was happening

[fast anchor]

if you storytell - invest in a desk bell

[karmic rose]

i probably should lolol

[fast anchor]

i borrowed one from a friend for f3c and it's genuinely life-changing

[karmic rose]

i've been banging a marker on the whiteboard we use to write everyone's names but a bell is a good idea

[karmic rose]

was this one of the friend groups who started playing at the same time?

[honest tide]

yep!

[karmic rose]

yeah understandable human psychology lolol

[fast anchor]

have you invested in name tags?

[karmic rose]

we play in a space with a huge whiteboard so no real point in that

[feral snow]

Same

[fast anchor]

squallegion grows

[karmic rose]

the psychology of "i'm playing this intense social deduction game with my friends and some people i don't know very well" sometimes leads to poor habits that take a few games to unlearn

what if squall and i are secretly in the same irl group... spooky

[honest tide]

hmm that would be spooky

[feral snow]

This is public knowledge I think

[next marlin]

no???

[feral snow]

Oh no I don’t play with amy

I just also use whiteboards

That’s public knowledge

Sorry

[dry sluice]

My pet peeve is that, despite how flexible the game is, making fun balanced custom scripts is HARD

Puzzlemaster + VI? Bleh. Baron + No Dashii? Get outta here. Virgin + Pit-hag? Oops better add a custom jinx. Why can't we live in a world where throwing 25 fun characters onto a script makes something decent 50% of the time?

(My other pet peeve is that my IRL group keeps wanting to play homebrew scripts I don't like. But at least they happily let me ST so I don't have to play them)

[torpid mist]

I mean, it really depends on how stable you need a script to be

Like, if you press the random button on the script tool and run a game off that, sure, it's not gonna be a good script, and it's not gonna withstand more than one or two plays, but you generally can scrape together one bag that leads to a fun game

Once you put in a bit more effort, you might get between 2 and 5 games out of it

And the vast majority (I'm talking 98% here) don't get played more than that

For those customs, it's enough

Everything beyond that is just extra effort you put in because you care about it

[feral snow]

@ivory ridge this is your wall

[ivory ridge]

im not sending the mizuwall here

because it involve me shitting on some popular script

.

[torpid mist]

Can I get the wall in not custscripts

[ivory ridge]

no because it's like a really controversial wall

@feral snow how controversial is it in retrospect

[feral snow]

uh about as controversial as my takes

[torpid mist]

If it's too controversial for not custscripts then idk

[fast anchor]

send?

[ivory ridge]

axol not you too 😭

[fast anchor]

i'm so curious

[ivory ridge]

i mean you know more about script than me so you're gonna disagree

[torpid mist]

Dm me if it's that bad lmao

I'm not gonna judge

At least, not more than I already do

[ivory ridge]

fine

i'll formalize it first though

because it's not actually a mizuwall

it's more like, 1 hour of word vomiting

[torpid mist]

Damn I'm intrigued

[sour harness]

wait whats wrong with pm vi 😭

[ivory ridge]

you can ask squall to summarize the general idea

[versed junco]

Not trouble brewing!

[dry sluice]

if you PM-drunk one of the VIs, then the PM can't distinguish which one they should guess. And this is a really outsidery use of the PM

[sour harness]

sounds like a huge problem

[dry sluice]

I hear your sarcasm and I'm not here for it. I dislike this pair on scripts.

[sour harness]

you dont have to like it and i wont try to make you like it

but i think it's perfectly fine

[karmic rose]

Tbh I think I dislike playing VI more than PM if I know the ST likes making a VI the drunk/puzzledrunk

[feral snow]

its about 100 messasges of mizu finally figuring out that custom scripts don't feel as good as base scripts because some of the characters don't add to the dynamic and that yes huntsman is fine actually

[torpid mist]

Yes, Puzzlemaster is probably among the outsideriest Outsiders because it's a soft +1 Outsider, but the puzzledrunk player becoming unguessable is not the end of the world

[karmic rose]

I've always read PM as "if someone isn't the demon, then the player you guessed isn't the puzzledrunk"

[torpid mist]

Also yeah actually maybe don't make a VI puzzledrunk as an ST

That's not a bad script interaction, that's an ST skill issue

[ivory ridge]

that’s what you get from it???

[next marlin]

most normal squall interpretation

[feral snow]

you focused mostly on Demons and how they add to the experience of the script (and shit on A Grimm Chorus)

particularly at the start

[karmic rose]

Information you get if you draw the VI token is less likely to be correct than information you get if you draw the eg. Washerwoman token, but, crucially, that Village Idiot information should still be better than arbitrary information. Assuming your ST rarely adds non-native sources of VI drunking, you've got a >50% chance of being sober whenever you're the VI. Of course, because VI is such an easy bluff, information from other players claiming VI is pretty unreliable

[ivory ridge]

die

[karmic rose]

assuming the ST randomizes between 1-3 Village Idiots and assuming exactly 1 evil player bluffs VI when they hear a good player claiming VI, then drawing the VI token means that you're sober ~60% of the time. If you don't have a VI token, then someone else claiming VI is a sober VI with ~45% probability

[acoustic chasm]

Whats this 👀

i am intrigued

[lucid crag]

no eats pi

And this one is racially stereotyping ^

-# wut

[foggy grotto]

“Well you outed as Soldier so you’re never dying now, might as well kill you” 😭😭😭

[hollow oasis]

No gavel?

[viscid citrus]

meow

[fast anchor]

that's true

[cold veldt]

omg mousey_ in secret thing

[foggy grotto]

[5/1] (time IS real): What in your opinion is the weakest 12p Evil Team in each B3 edition and why?

[hollow oasis]

Spicy

[tacit fiber]

[hollow oasis]

technically It’s Imp Spy SW

[tacit fiber]

wdym "technically"

[hollow oasis]

Demons never die

[tacit fiber]

(Imp, Spy, Baron, Pukka, Mastermind, Assassin, Nodashii, Evil Twin, Witch)

[hollow oasis]

Mine is probably Imp Spy SW

[tacit fiber]

this is false??

[foggy grotto]

hot take i think Imp Spy Poisoner isn’t as strong as it appears

[hollow oasis]

Yes

I know

[foggy grotto]

SNV is definitely Vigor Twin Witch tho

[barren zenith]

Surely vigor for the third one

Add in a clockmaker, an oracle and an artist for good measure

[tacit fiber]

Vigor is like good actually

Nodashii gets solved too easily

[hollow oasis]

This is ST/evil team skill issue

BMR is Shab MM GF

[tacit fiber]

nah

Shab is like a demon that can solo

[barren zenith]

Yeah

Shab is v strong

[sour harness]

Time isn't real therefore I will not answer /j

At more advanced levels:
TB
BMR
SnV

Least sure of bmr

[barren zenith]

Honestly, , , is weakest imo

Maybe assassin -> MM, but idk

[sour harness]

I ran that last night 😭 good won so maybe you're onto something lol

[ivory ridge]

TB:
SNV:
BMR:

[next marlin]

Not with witch twin lol

[ivory ridge]

zombull mm assassin scale pretty bad with player count tbh

because the evil team have a total of 1 (one) kill that they can interrupt

[barren zenith]

TB:
BMR:
SnV: /

[next vault]

TB:
BMR:
SnV:

[barren zenith]

Idk which of ND/Vigor is weaker tho 🤔

[iron scarab]

i played one zombuul mm game a while back and town wasted all their dead votes and we managed to win with the entire evil team outed

i dont think zombuul mm is weak

[ivory ridge]

seems like town just have a skill issue

[next vault]

MM is a very swingy minion

[next marlin]

Vigor is deeply dependent on which minions are in play and No Dashii only cares to the extent all demons do (and is synergistic with ET while vigor is antisynergistic)

[fleet hedge]

[next vault]

Vigor + ET is really sad

[fleet hedge]

I'm a believer in Baron being strong

[barren zenith]

Pukka always seems to be lackluster tho

[sour harness]

Why have multiple people said dashii is weak 😭 is this what livevoice/etc does to you

[fleet hedge]

I do think ND is a decent bit weaker than Vortox

[next vault]

pukka is a demon that people really dislike and idk why

[next marlin]

There are more STs who run no dashii as "if both of your neighbours are townsfolk your team loses" than anything else combined, but also like all the snv demons it has an ability that can bite itself in the ass, and dashii/vortox are the two where the demon player is less involved in whether it does that or not

[barren zenith]

Welcome to day 20. Nobody died in the night

[next vault]

how many times are you getting the player you chose executed?

2 at most

1 is already not that common

[next marlin]

I've played with like 4

Maybe it was 5 even

[sour harness]

4 is def an outlier

[next vault]

that's really bad luck

[barren zenith]

You've got to guide the executions with your claims imo

[next vault]

that's like saying "guys alhad fucking sucks you only get 1KPN"

[barren zenith]

And evil teams just don't do that often

[barren zenith]

Those people are correct

(In the 1KPN part, it's a v cool demon)

[next vault]

Idk maybe it's because of how I play but Pukka seems much better when I play it when compared to other people talking about it

[next marlin]

I mean alhad's weakness is that a coordinated town can body it yeah

I love that the snv answer is functionally unanimous, the tb answer has a strong gravity well, and the bmr answers are almost all different

[next vault]

that's because bmr games are widely different from one another

snv has that but then it has vigor + twin

[ivory ridge]

oh my god

this just give me an epiphany

this is not related to pukka at all

but, witch cursing people that you thought might be executed the next day is

such a good strategy

[next vault]

Guys how do you guys see this grim?

bluffs are klutz, barber and SH

[ivory ridge]

SH?

[next vault]

sweetheart

[ivory ridge]

snake charmer?

oh

uh

make it an 11 player game

[next vault]

oh right

evil has too much power

with that outsider

[ivory ridge]

so true

also change it from klutz to mutant

[next vault]

ok

I like how one of the twins is a clock 1 from the Demon

and how it is a Dreamer Twin

I feel that will make the good team have a chance

[ivory ridge]

wait 💀

can you do me a favor actually @next vault

[next vault]

yea?

[ivory ridge]

can you siwtch oracle and clock's place

[next vault]

why?

[ivory ridge]

because it's objectively extremely funny

[next vault]

no

[ivory ridge]

clock getting a 1 and sit next to 2 twin claim:

[next vault]

oh

eh

maybe change the vigor and the oracle from place

[ivory ridge]

TRUE

[fast anchor]

spy/scarlet, Zombuul/gf-1/mm, vig/witch/twin

[next vault]

honestly zombuul/gf-1/mm is quite true

[torpid mist]

zombuul/gf-1/mm sounds like a crime

[shrewd cloud]

Oooo that’s a good one. I think for me

So not really any spicy takes from me

[next marlin]

"I don't want players to meta me so I decided to randomize the bag"

[torpid mist]

you still consciously chose the gf-1

[next marlin]

gf outsider mod also randomized (95% +1)

[torpid mist]

I calculated 267'696 12p BMR setups but I should actually just remove all the GF-1s

[acoustic chasm]

Can someone make the best possible grim w that evil team line up

[torpid mist]

best as in most evil-sided or best as in most balanced

[acoustic chasm]

Most balanced

[ivory ridge]

angel protected evil apprentice pit hag is probs gonna be in there

[sour harness]

TB being almost unanimously spy scarlet is fascinating to me

[ivory ridge]

too much information

[sour harness]

That feels really strong to me

Wdym

[feral snow]

I feel like people are saying spy scarlet because poisoner Baron is poisoner Baron

[acoustic chasm]

Ye no one wants to say poisoner

[sour harness]

Not saying pois is like fine

[ivory ridge]

yeah i think baron is also lowkey really really strong

[sour harness]

But I see thrall!baron about as often as I see minion!baron

[torpid mist]

Baron is high-key really really strong

[next marlin]

Most of player skill range spy is very weak and even at its strongest its TB ceiling is quite low

Baron being a thrall for you is exactly a you thing

[sour harness]

Just get starpassed ez

[sour harness]

Maybe

[ivory ridge]

i mean baron is just 2 poison snipe

[next marlin]

(I think people are too quick to do 'chaos baron' stuff when other frontloaded minions are better at social disruption but in practice it's usually okay)

[ivory ridge]

(that is very reductive yes but you see my point)

[feral snow]

I hate playing chaos Baron

[sour harness]

Undertaker moment

[feral snow]

I wish people playing chaotic wasn’t just “oh they’re the Baron”

Like no you want to not be obvious

[foggy grotto]

it’s great to do when you’re the imp in a non-baron game tho

especially when you have a scarlet

[ivory ridge]

i mean chaos baron is also fun when you get undertaker as a bluff

just don’t kill the ravenkeeper

[torpid mist]

No matter what I do, my Baron games are usually the ones where I'm the most socially trusted out of all my games

[next marlin]

Also it's fairly easy to socially engineer town into killing recluse claims and to a lesser degree butler claims so if you end up with a confirmed baron game after the outsiders are dead that's not really an issue

[torpid mist]

That's such a vati thing to say

[next marlin]

Which part lol

[torpid mist]

All of it, but especially the social engineering part

[ivory ridge]

malvora is gonna mbti-read vati

[torpid mist]

Very you thing to call it social engineering instead of, like, a normal person thing

[ivory ridge]

its so joever

[next marlin]

he already knows

[torpid mist]

At this point, I'd like to think I'd guess right

[next marlin]

I've told you you can't guess

[torpid mist]

I know

But only an ENTP would have slight megalomaniac tendencies and do nothing useful with them

[next marlin]

"Slight" is very flattering

[ivory ridge]

am I an entp 🥺

[torpid mist]

Iirc yeah

[ivory ridge]

no but based on vibe

am I stoic, experience oriented logical problem solver

https://tenor.com/view/sadhamstergirl-gif-4231717927828306245

[acoustic chasm]

What am I?

[torpid mist]

Is that your perception of ENTPs?

Because you're wrong

[ivory ridge]

a crocodile

[acoustic chasm]

Correct

[ivory ridge]

or a sunbird

[sour harness]

I thought you were a bird

Of the sun variety

[acoustic chasm]

Correct

[sour harness]

Smh mizu I started typing first

[ivory ridge]

and i thought you’re a t rex

that identify as a man

[next marlin]

You're not ENTP

[sour harness]

Ew, men

[ivory ridge]

true

[feral snow]

Bros a 3 pip fire spell

[ivory ridge]

i feel bad for people who are attracted to men

😔

[acoustic chasm]

OHHHH IT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE

[torpid mist]

Life is tough

[acoustic chasm]

God went and said "ew men"

[torpid mist]

Don't laugh vati, it is

[coarse fern]

It’s a struggle 😔

[acoustic chasm]

And we misheard and wrote down "human"

[foggy grotto]

what on earth did this conversation derail into

[ivory ridge]

pebble is a fruit? i thought you’re a stone

[coarse fern]

LOL

[cold veldt]

idk about everyone else but it’s a great time imo

[ivory ridge]

i curse you with pulling scarlet woman every tb game

[torpid mist]

I'm now questioning something about you

I don't know what yet, but something isn't quite right

[ivory ridge]

i thought bhamber is a furry due to the sonic pfp

turn out its not

[cold veldt]

is thinking that guys are cool really so wild?

[torpid mist]

I mean, yeah kinda
I mean, it's kinda fine, I'm also attracted to them, but also have you seen men?

[cold veldt]

I see twinks and say hell yeah

simple as that

[torpid mist]

Lmao

[cold veldt]

that’s right, it’s twink discussion again

[ivory ridge]

have you never met a demon twink before

[torpid mist]

I see twinks and worry about their personality 🔥

[ivory ridge]

aren't you one yourself

[cold veldt]

what does that mean actually

like botc demons?

[sour harness]

SO TRUE

[torpid mist]

Of the many things I'd call myself, twink is not one of them

[next marlin]

We have a server for this now I think

Also malvora has clearly identified as 'not a twink'

[torpid mist]

For twink discourse?

[next marlin]

If you insist

[ivory ridge]

no like

[torpid mist]

I do not

[ivory ridge]

someone's that just idk

rude?

see it's hard to describe what a demon twink it

borrow vati's world, it's a "type of guy"

[cold veldt]

there should be minion twinks

like botc minions

they work to protect the demon twinks

[ivory ridge]

minion twinks somehow remind me of like

stan twitter

[feral snow]

It’s Sami

[ivory ridge]

sami is not a twink

or demon twink

[ivory ridge]

you wanna guess who in our club fit the closest to the demon twink archetype

[feral snow]

I don’t even know what that means

[ivory ridge]

why are you so employed

[feral snow]

You’re funny

Anyways my lunch break ended back to work

[fast anchor]

not the virgin react

[feral snow]

Vati it’s 3am

That’s so unemployed of you

[next marlin]

I have non-24 sleep-wake disorder

Is this not like, obvious

I woke up 3 hours ago

[feral snow]

Oh

Then the virgin react is so unemployed

[next marlin]

I'm more virgin-reacting you for doing this on your lunch break

[torpid mist]

Don't you have, like, friends to talk to

[next marlin]

he has mizu so no

[feral snow]

We aren’t friends?

[torpid mist]

We don't count, we're little voices in your phone

[hollow oasis]

[torpid mist]

We're your thought cabinet

[versed junco]

I can't tell if this conversation is leaning more towards the passive-aggressive or regular aggressive side of the spectrum

[hollow oasis]

[torpid mist]

ftr if I didn't like you as a person, I wouldn't be this mean

[feral snow]

Huge win

[hollow oasis]

[gusty bear]

why is nerdguy posting evil teams

[next marlin]

it was the topic of conversation at one point

[acoustic chasm]

Imp : Spy For beginners . For experienced Scarlet Woman

[feral snow]

This is so me too btw

This is why I bully custscripts

Not Reddit I bully them because I’m pretentious

[versed junco]

very good.

[fast anchor]

wait I forgot a base script

cc kaz/widow/gf

[next marlin]

I thought you'd go catfishing for fourth base script

but also widow gf is good I think

witch is weaker imo

[fast anchor]

it has a lot of overlap

part of why im picking gf is for outsider info while maintaining the potential for a damsel win

[next marlin]

widow gf is weakest minion combo on catfishing

[fast anchor]

witch is loud but it can pop off

[acoustic chasm]

I was gonna say "well the upside of Widow GF is at least they get free bluffs".

Then I remembered what Kazali actually did

[next vault]

what would be the weakest evil team possible?

smth like
on base 1 minion

but like, no shenanigans like that because LoT is a very special demon

[barren zenith]

And then chuck the good twin onto like the golem or smth

Or the virgin

Smth hard-confirmable

On a solo-LoT script too

[next vault]

yeah prolly smth like that

But with more "regular" demons what would it be (no riot/legion smth like that)

[next marlin]

vigor mm works now

whether it's good aside from that is a different issue

anyway probably ojo vizier something

[tidal quiver]

now you've got me thinking who/what would be in my thought cabinet and I don't like how Vati is in there please leave

[next marlin]

[cerenovus voice] no

[tidal quiver]

new thought: "understand vatispeak" - takes 500 hours

[torpid mist]

Stuck between Inland Empire and Half Light for vati

[acoustic chasm]

Pffff

[tidal quiver]

half light for vati?!

[torpid mist]

Half Light mainly because that's what he triggers within me

[acoustic chasm]

Idk if vati is half light

Pfff

Ok that's a you thing

[tidal quiver]

idk I kinda feel like Vati would be my conceptualization?

I think Vati has high inland empire but is not my inland empire if that makes sense

y'all I don't know 24 people how in the world can I compose my thought cabinet

[next vault]

It's been fixed?

🔥

[fast anchor]

is this a de thing or some other reference to a game I haven't played

[next marlin]

disco elysium

[fast anchor]

figured

had to check

[tidal quiver]

well now you gotta play de axo

us DE players feed off hearing new players' experience, it's the only thing that brings us joy

[tacit fiber]

why do ppl keep getting the TB one wrong

[fast anchor]

baron is one of the strongest minions in the game

and poisoner is poisoner

[tacit fiber]

Spy SW means that the confirmed SW with an RK (spy) seeing them as their claim and an FT no on them in f3

[fast anchor]

me when "why are you in final 3"

[tacit fiber]

Scarlet Woman is also one of the strongest minions in the game

[tacit fiber]

Virgin killed before that

[next marlin]

it is but it has antisynergy on its homescript that it needs to have for other reasons

[next vault]

yeah ofc

[tacit fiber]

Spy does confirmation mimicry

[next vault]

is just the weakest

mind you, spy sw IS NOT WEAK

[tacit fiber]

which SW is able to profit off of

[next marlin]

spy's conf mimicry mainly helps the spy itself

scarlet hijacks a starpass

you're better off passing to the spy with another minion

[next vault]

it's just less strong that combos like spoisoner, and baron is just baron, baron is probably the best minion in TB

[next marlin]

it's not that it's weak it just isn't the greatest combo especially on a solo imp script

a lot stronger with a different demon

[next vault]

yeah

[acoustic chasm]

Baron I think is stronger the more experienced players get

[torpid mist]

Yeah, the more your players actually start bluffing outsiders, the better it gets

New player Baron at single Minion counts is basically YSK it's not a Spy/SW/Poisoner game

[foggy grotto]

DISCO ELYSIUM MENTIONED 🗣️🗣️🗣️

[muted crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-overwatch-reinhardt-rein-owl-gif-25180734

@next marlin hi vati

This was karniv

[muted crescent]

Spy Poisoner for TB

Too long since I've played SV BMR to remember others

[muted crescent]

U into that stuff?

Me and VOKAI came from a groupethat talked abt that

[next marlin]

Malvora is

But I have some level of interest

[muted crescent]

Vokai be using her typology to explain why she hates every community she comes into contact with and can never come back

[torpid mist]

"some level of interest"

be honest with yourself

[fast anchor]

Technically correct

[muted crescent]

@torpid mist hi

[torpid mist]

Vati has forced me into this stereotype and while I didn't resist I'd like everyone to know that I didn't do it of my own free will

[muted crescent]

What stereotype

[torpid mist]

MBTI gay

It even looks worse than "Astrology gay"

Feels worse too

[muted crescent]

I never heard of that

[torpid mist]

It's just shorthand for "gay man who's invested in the MBTI" aka the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator, which is the 4-letter personality types you noticed

[muted crescent]

lol im gay

I still use mbti sometimes, usually talk abt other systems tho

[foggy grotto]

based take i 100% agree

[fast anchor]

spoisoner is kinda brutal when there aren't many YSKs

because you can just kill everything

[next vault]

spoisoner is strongest when you have ongoing info roles

[carmine dome]

Secret

[gray ridge]

Hi karniv

I used mbti in 2022 but not anymore

[muted crescent]

Hey flaw still around?

[gray ridge]

I dont play a lot anymore but I still check this thread to see what people are cooking 👁️

[hollow oasis]

5/2 A:

Your Country is picking a Clocktower character for a giant free-for-all

Who do they pick?

5/2 B:

Your Country is picking a Clocktower character for a giant free-for-all

Who wins?

[coarse fern]

A: Golem
B: Golem

[sour harness]

Gunslinger just kills everyone

[hollow oasis]

interesting strategy

[coarse fern]

I don’t do that strategy stuff

I just golem punch

[hollow oasis]

and now

5/2 C: A Time rift is forming.

https://discord.com/channels/569683781800296501/1367732311654666270

[coarse fern]

What

[foggy grotto]

General Probably

[foggy grotto]

Soldier Probably

or psychopath

[ivory ridge]

wait how does legion work here

[hollow oasis]

alliance with other legion, depends on diplomacy

[ivory ridge]

A: Psychopath
B: Sailor

[muted crescent]

We should play sometime

[sturdy cape]

awh <3

[honest tide]

A: Slayer
B: Assassin

[gray ridge]

Surely

[next vault]

Question smth smth

If you had to base an oc for an rp server on a BOTC character which one would you base it on? And what abilities would it have?

I would probably choose either , or
seems fun, you get to try the powers of other people but the problem would be... actually convincing someone to be eaten by you
because making people go crazy go brrr
because it's cool as a character concept, maybe it'd have thunderstorm powers or something

[acoustic chasm]

Investigator can sniff out lies.
Recluse would be very funny as an "obviously evil character" who is actually not evil at all, just has the aesthetic of one. Think ominous cult leader vibes.
Godfather I think has a vengeful vibe to him. Might even be a vigilante, was an Outsider once, and now will take revenge on anyone hurting an Outsider.
Ojo HAHAHAHA I SEE EVERYTHING I KNOW EVERYTHING YOUR FUTURE IS BRIGHT WHITE AND GLOWING

[coarse fern]

if you could have guessed

I like to think it would punch a lot

[next vault]

It would punch once

[coarse fern]

It’s barista doubled 17 billion times (don’t question the interaction it works)

[next vault]

no it's not

[shrewd cloud]

Vortox with wind powers and also powers that distort reality sounds cool

Kazali is also based even with just its base game powers of turning people into Minions

[ivory ridge]

probs, mad as a concept is genuinely interesting

like if they don't think they have the ability, does that mean you can nullify people that way?

[tidal quiver]

Librarian for just intuitively knowing who will be counterproductive to society

[ivory ridge]

actually another really interesting concept

.

hear me out

have you ever wonder the baron add two outsiders?

for it to make sense, let's look at the flavor text

[dense moat]

capitalism

[ivory ridge]

yes but lemme paint a picture

the baron turn ravenswood bluff into a quasi company-town under his rule

he's the lleech that suck off the blood and sweat of other people in the town

[spiral pollen]

clocktower predicted capitalism

[ivory ridge]

under the baron's rule, people turn into other method of coping

some turn to religion, using it as a way to heal them from an unjust society, hence, the saint

some douse themself with drugs and alcohol, wanting to forget the weight that they bear, the drunk

some become fill with greed, willing to be step on until one day they become the master themself, the butler

[tidal quiver]

Or is the butler not the cheap foreign laborer mentioned

[ivory ridge]

and finally, there are those who recognize the futility of the system, willing to walk away from omela, the recluse

[feral snow]

You were cooking until here

[feral snow]

Then you came back

[ivory ridge]

the baron crush other's dream, hope and aspiration

no, they didn't introduce outsider in the town, remember

this 'outsider' is directly coming from the townsfolk of ravenswood bluff

when people become a slave to the machine, they eventually lose all indivuality

[dense moat]

My answer is Politician

Specifically for the storyline where she sells her soul to the devil (Mezepheles), laughs in chaos, sells out the devil, and then gets elected in a landslide

Also the gender update is always canon :)

[ivory ridge]

a washerwoman who want to keep the town clean, become the saint as she no longer have the energy to do that

the baron's real power is converting the life of others, a life with potentials, into tragedy itself

the baron represent the power of capitalism and how under it, we can never discover ourself

anyway i did not think about the fact that foreign labour is the justification for [+2 outsider] and this has become my headcanon

[dense moat]

You should make these lore drops for other o-mod characters

Or at least, their relationships to the outsiders

[ivory ridge]

no...you're opening pandora's gate here...

[next vault]

1 wish....

[dense moat]

For many years, scholars have studied the being known as Fang Gu. A spirit with an aptitude for possession. And yet, it only ever hosts the bodies of outcasts. Why? Perhaps it is not simply a lack of will

It is a promise. Even when it first incarnates in the mortal world, it releases dreams. Dreams of what could be. And in that fateful summer, in the shadow of the circus, four souls answered

A physician with an insatiable curiosity. Curiosity for what lies beneath our skins. Some would call it unhealthy, but they must know. When Fang Gu approached, they were promised immortality to continue their craft

An aspiring dancer who lacked the grace for theater. Always mocked by bullies in her childhood. Pushed over. Derided as clumsy. Fang Gu promised her a strong and graceful body

A poor human kept on display at the circus. Persecuted by the village’s for being different. When Fang Gu approached, they were afraid. But the creature promised safety. And even vengeance. Something clicked. And so the runaway would open themselves to the creature

Finally, two lovers. In passionate romance, they would linger. Wishing for blissful days ever after. When Fang Gu approached, she begged for mercy. To not be separated from her beloved. Fang Gu promised they could be together forever… if she opened the door to her soul. What other choice did she have?

and so each of the four souls would prove a viable host for Fang Gu. Everyone else was too happy. Or barring that, wise enough to understand the danger of dealing with demons

But Fang Gu would always have an option. Another vessel in case they were exposed. A chance to escape and see Ravenswood Bluff burn

Well how’d I do?

(couldn’t really think of one for Klutz, so I improvised)

[ivory ridge]

that's 🔥

is omod fanfic what this channels gonna be about

[muted crescent]

Lord of Typhon, cuz hot
Butcher, cuz hot

[gray ridge]

lycanthrope cuz furry

[foggy grotto]

nah i think they just use immigrant labor

[ivory ridge]

nuh uh

[flat lintel]

5/23: What traveler do you hate?

(Do you agree with your answer when we escaped this previously?)

[sour harness]

Gangster

Too swingy

If the gangster sits next to the demon while evil is winning guess I just hand em the win

[next marlin]

Deviant ime tends to present as a bunch of unfunny bullshit that disrupts the game vibe and can't be gotten rid of

[sour harness]

If they're unfunny then why can't you get rid of them 😇

[next marlin]

I have never played, seen, or been exposed to a game improved by a deviant

[sour harness]

I do think a game mechanic asking players to be funny is pretty questionable

[next marlin]

Because people will give what amounts to participation medals

[sour harness]

Good thing the almanac lets you make it some other condition

Booo

This is like politician isn't it

[next marlin]

Basically yeah except a deviant exile succeeding is a lot less likely than a poli flip failing

[cold veldt]

bishop 💤

[sour harness]

I think that's a st thing, not (inherently) a deviant thing

But also fair

[cold veldt]

deviant's intent is to be a blank token basically that hangs out

[next marlin]

It's a lot of STs. It's fundamentally that killing the deviant is kinda feelsbad so people don't want to do it

[cold veldt]

shame to hear it misused by people

[next marlin]

I think I don't really like this as a premise yeah

I don't experience fun or whimsy so I tend to play more seriously than deviant is compatible with

[sour harness]

Wait I'm seeing the vision now yeah

[sour harness]

I do 😔

[next marlin]

So my main experience is of trying to play botc while some guy I can't get rid of is making awful puns

[cold veldt]

it's best when playing with friend groups where you're not playing as seriously, but it's definitely not as great in servers like this i'd imagine

[sour harness]

(or the app)

[cold veldt]

i definitely have a serious element to whenever i play, even if i do it in silly ways, and as such i generally really hate dealing with mid-game travellers cause it does fuck with how i've already been playing and what strategies i've been doing. but in a chill game where there's a deviant from the start i can get decently on board with that

[barren zenith]

Counterpoint: every other traveler is broken af

Apart from maybe like beggar

https://tenor.com/view/nervous-sweating-sweating-bullets-sweating-gif-17507069

[next marlin]

I'd prefer not to play with a trav generally but I'd rather play with a mechanical one as long as the player is going to be involved and not like, randomly shoot people

[barren zenith]

Welcome to day 5, [player] will be traveling in as the gunslinger
The demon claiming Saint:

I did not know rhe gif would send immediately

[next marlin]

That's an ST issue

[barren zenith]

I have never sent a gif on discord

[next marlin]

also if the mechanical traveller is annoying you just nightkill them

[cold veldt]

sometimes the st just has enough of a game 😔

[versed junco]

Gnome 😔

[torpid mist]

Gnome is funny I'm not sorry

[cold veldt]

honestly though i've had multiple games where the outcome was changed exclusively because of a mid-game traveller, there's nothing more infuriating tbh. i remember one close call though once where i thought that evil was doomed because there was like a 3 traveller confirmation chain and we were on an all evil final 3 + traveller where most people thought we were the evil team. we somehow managed to pull out a win though because me nominating the demon really fucked with people apparently and then they executed me instead

[versed junco]

I just wish it would interact
with the game
at all
other than giving out a public seamstress ping

[cold veldt]

have you never used the gnome to kill anyone before?

that's what it ends up being most of the time

throw someone at it to kill them

and chop off a demon candidate

[barren zenith]

It does, town pressures the demon to nominate the amigo then becomes outed evil when they won't do it

[cold veldt]

exactlyyyyy

[tidal quiver]

I'm glad that nobody's saying the big 3 BMR ones (judge, bishop, voudon) because those are all based if you're in the mood for them (but, naturally, it's an ST skill issue if you put them on and nobody likes them)

[cold veldt]

oh i did say bishop

further up

[tidal quiver]

oh wow

[torpid mist]

I'm sure you just forgot Matron

[cold veldt]

matron is fire

voudon i have no opinion on because i don't remember ever playing with it

[honest tide]

I hate apprentice

Just play with more players you coward

[cold veldt]

bishop is 💤 and judge is 😐

[barren zenith]

Gnome is decently funny, but I definitely prefer the death travelers to be evil, which you can't always do with a gnome

[tidal quiver]

wait yeah I mean matron not judge, judge is not gamechanging

[barren zenith]

Judge is vizier at home

[cold veldt]

the thing is apprentice seems to be a mid-game traveller. which automatically makes it utter dogshit because fuck mid-game travellers

[honest tide]

Matron is really fun imo

[torpid mist]

Judge is the og BotC character, give it some credit

[honest tide]

It’s one that will get exiled but I really like it when its there

[wispy nest]

Gunslinger is fun

[honest tide]

But it is only in person

[tidal quiver]

I like bishop because it actually impacts the game differently whether the trav is good or evil

[cold veldt]

i found matron really fun on the official app

i really really like it

despite being a former hater

[tidal quiver]

ok yeah matron in text is probably utter sadness

[feral snow]

I don’t think I can ever hate Gnome because the reveal was genuinely one of my favourite of all time (despite a lot of people hating it)

[cold veldt]

reveal was funny af

[honest tide]

gnome is hilarious but a little broken

[next marlin]

Gnome is the only killing trav that kinda works imo

[lean isle]

Yeah, in text it's a bit sad.
But outside of it I think it can be interesting, though had no experience with it.

[feral snow]

Bishop is a cool concept but I just don’t care for it

[next marlin]

It's funny how the killing travellers progressively got better

[cold veldt]

it's because its fully opt in (when you ignore outed evil for not nomming)

[feral snow]

I don’t think I hate any of them though

[barren zenith]

I like travelers on Stowed away

[tidal quiver]

honestly gnome is most interesting on scripts where players actively don't want to die

[honest tide]

the only traveler I truly hate is apprentice

[tidal quiver]

like idk why people put it with TB

[honest tide]

Because it’s just such a nothing traveler

[next marlin]

Gunslinger (cringe) -> Gangster (was only usable killing trav before Gnome) -> Gnome (actually compatible with the game)

[tidal quiver]

ok now I've got a traveler take that better not be hot:

[feral snow]

I almost said this as my answer

[honest tide]

I played gnome on pies baking and it broke the game

[tidal quiver]

playing as a traveler when you have the time to normally play a full is so lame

[feral snow]

But I changed my mind because I know it’s actually great opportunity for people that don’t want to be the demon

But still want the experience

[tidal quiver]

like I feel like travelers are best when you travel in only on d1 or for d1 and d2, stop doing it like a normal player

[honest tide]

I’ve seen people do it to not have 0 outsider games

[barren zenith]

I like beggar and deviant the most because, as an ST, they allow me to not have to deny a player joining, whilst still keeping the game balanced.

[next marlin]

Cringe

[cold veldt]

cringe people?

[tidal quiver]

ngl this seems like a script issue if it's not good on 0 outsider games

[honest tide]

I mean my group just likes outsiders

[tidal quiver]

I like outsiders a lot too

[cold veldt]

outsiders can be some of the most fire characters tbh

you can't go wrong with a mutant

[tidal quiver]

just always put fg/gf/baron in the bag smh

[honest tide]

But we usually do deviant or thief or smth

[lean isle]

Outsiders are interesting

[next marlin]

God I need to write the outsider vatiwall

[tidal quiver]

I mean to me outsiders are what make botc unique

[next marlin]

They're balance features you can't just fuck around with it

[torpid mist]

Outsiders are also very often evil's responsibility

[honest tide]

My favorite characters are mutant, damsel, and butler

[feral snow]

Yeah my girlfriend

[tidal quiver]

I love babysitting lunatics (biggest lie ever recorded)

[next marlin]

Yeah that tracks

[torpid mist]

As in, most games are Outsider games, if evil just commits

[barren zenith]

I love the Puzzlemaster, Barber and the Damsel the most

Maybe mutant too

Sweetheart is a fun one too

[next marlin]

But Magica you told me so sincerely I was your demon

[acoustic chasm]

Politician, Drunk, Puzzlemaster are cool

Recluse is funny

[honest tide]

Mutant is the most fun to play

[cold veldt]

mutant and ogre are wonderful i love playing as those two so much

[tidal quiver]

magician is my favorite outsider b/c it's literally just the lunatic but slightly better (townsiders are lame)

[barren zenith]

I don't get why people hate on the ogre so much, it's brilliant

[honest tide]

I was in a game of extension cord where I was the mutant in final 3

[wispy nest]

Agree

[honest tide]

And I had the solve because my neighbor was poisoned

[tidal quiver]

dw dw you're the demon I'm not babysitting you, no gaslighting involved

[honest tide]

So I had to make my bs artist info look wrong lmao

[tidal quiver]

besides, lunatic isn't even on snv you're fine Vati

[cold veldt]

i love as the ogre just trying to do everything to get my friend to believe me meanwhile i'm hard-solving the game to help them win while in a roleswap with them while they're dead to not make me an evil candidate because there is an evil among the outsiders and i know its not me

[honest tide]

Lunatic would be so good if it worked

[cold veldt]

just put it on PG scripts and its fire 🔥

(play my script)

[honest tide]

True

[tidal quiver]

honestly I think BMR does lunatic best but that's just me

[honest tide]

I have it on my solo kazali script and it kinda works there

[torpid mist]

Lunatic works, it just doesn't work in the way people want it to

[honest tide]

LMAO

so true though

[lean isle]

Yep

[barren zenith]

Lunatic on HHR is pretty much the only place I like it

[honest tide]

I’ve had a singular game where the lunatic was gaslighted for the whole game

[tidal quiver]

totally haven't been the lunatic for your whole life and I'm totally not just here to tell you that your opinions are valid so you don't catch onto the fact that you're secretly not the vigor

[acoustic chasm]

Laissez un Faire Luna is cool

[tidal quiver]

levi + riot it's silly

[next marlin]

So true. Which minion were you again btw for some reason there are 3 of them

[barren zenith]

Quadjank too

[honest tide]

It was on my solo kazali script. I was the Plague doctor changed into the poisoner, my demon was chosen by the lunatic as marionette. The final 3 was me, my demon, and the lunatic. We executed me and everyone in final 3 thought they won the game. It was a glorious grim reveal especially since the lunatic didn’t tell the demon he was the marionette.

[tidal quiver]

the ST just made me the offscript wizard and I wished for another minion on our team dw
(omg I hadn't even thought of the magician convincing the demon that they are a lunatic that's hilarious)

[cold veldt]

i find ogre really funny with stuff like marionette and lunatic. cause its like "listen i don't know whether i'm good or evil but you need to support me to the ends of the earth okay" (play my script this can happen there)

[tidal quiver]

don't worry everyone we're still totally talking about travelers as per today's question

[torpid mist]

Wait this isn't custscripts?

[cold veldt]

it's okay every script we're talking about probably has recommended travellers so its fine

[ivory ridge]

100% apprentice

i don't think it's even close

[flat lintel]

Mines is scapegoat

Scapegoat is a very common traveler

It does nothing but mechanically piss me off as both alignments

[ivory ridge]

i need more people to hate apprentice 😔

it interact so poorly with the gamew

[cold veldt]

dw mizu we did some shitting on apprentice a bit higher up

[ivory ridge]

if i have to rank all traveller

hmmmmmm

[iron scarab]

has anyone said judge yet

[ivory ridge]

gnome is just reskin gunslinger and im tired of pretending it's not

😔

[honest tide]

Gnome is in B

Gunslinger might be D actually

[cold veldt]

gunslinger is definitely not apprentice level trash

[honest tide]

Yeah I think it was a slip

Should be in D

I think barista is my favorite traveler

[ivory ridge]

mechanically scapegoat is a very interesting traveller

i fear

[honest tide]

I’ve played with an evil barista who just doubled whoever the poisoner poisoned (except for the night they doubled the poisoner)

[honest tide]

I mean…

Idk it usually just ends up with the execution happening the next day whenever I’ve seen it

[ivory ridge]

right but that's fine

btw i think this an important question

[honest tide]

It’s “fine” gameplay wise but I wouldn’t call it interesting

[ivory ridge]

are we judging travellers based on gose standard or b6 standard

[honest tide]

idk what that means

[ivory ridge]

like as in

death of the author but make it botc

ok i promise i can explain it better than this

[honest tide]

I’m judging it by if I think on average it makes the game more (or less) fun and interesting to play

[ivory ridge]

do we
treat travellers as a character collection that is meant to work well in a variety (but not all) of context. (gsoe-like)
or
treat travellers, especially base script travellers, majorly within the script context, but still consider its out of script implication. (b6-like)

[honest tide]

I’m doing both personally. Probably more like the first one though generally

[tacit fiber]

Judge being always evil-sided means it’s optimal to always auto-exile them

this, is also incredibly mean to the judge

[ivory ridge]

judge is not evil sided 😭

its just that most traveller are good sided

[flat lintel]

judge is powerful in evil

[tacit fiber]

Judge gives the traveler more control over votes and noms, a good judge should be fine to let the good players make their choice in who’s executed

[flat lintel]

but also powerful in the hands of a capable good

[tacit fiber]

I don’t agree

[flat lintel]

i would probably not keep a judge around too long

[tacit fiber]

a good judge that helps good is required to know more information than the entirety of good

the good team made a choice as to who to execute each day off of pieces of info they recieve

[ivory ridge]

yeah, L 🔥

but also

[sour harness]

I bet your meta also executes players who don't vote exactly how the flowergirl wants

[ivory ridge]

there are plenty of nomination where you realize a nomination is bad after the vote

of course evil can play around this too but

the odds are inherently stack against evil

[tacit fiber]

I would say, “not really” but also in an SnV irl I played yesterday the minions were the only ones who didn’t