secret thing

[fast anchor]

Lunar Eclipse

[sour harness]

Ah ok

[nimble rose]

A good player had the mez word for 3 days, but only said the mez word on the day the mez correctly guessed the damsel

[fleet hedge]

If you're not massclaiming D1 you are not playing LuF

This is the script you get to experience 4 Balloonist claims in a row

[sour harness]

I mean yesterday I got in a balloonist DC but for once I was the one telling the truth

[fast anchor]

here was the night that happened

sailor tries to make someone drunk, fails [1]
lunatic selfpicks
lycan kills mayor who would bounce, but can't [2]
demon's kill fails bc of lycan [3] and is different from lunatic's [4]
puzzledrunk chambermaid gets lied to [5]

[fleet hedge]

I ran that game!

[fast anchor]

you did! and it was fun!

[fleet hedge]

I forgot who won tho 😭

[fast anchor]

good won

we won on like d6 though

because we doubletapped morgan

[fleet hedge]

Oh yh I remember that

[fast anchor]

and it was only then that dotcross was like "hey (a)everyone alex (outed da) pinged me and mortem for chats on d1 what are the odds he just pinged both people he saw as the demon"

and everyone was like "...wait, fuck, what if that worked"

and it did

[fleet hedge]

That was the game which made me stop using demon whispers

Because the Magician was basically useless the Lunatic whisper was weird

[foggy grotto]

Imp trying to bluff drunk washerwoman but accidentally cold called someone’s role and was trusted for the entire game

[modern plume]

I once managed to convince a Lunatic for the 2nd night that they were the Demon in text BMR.

The Lunatic thought they were a Zombuul. The real Demon was a Shabaloth.
Lunatic thought they had a Lunatic (their fake Lunatic was the Goon who was sat next to one of the Lunatic's fake Minions), and they thought their Minions neighbored one another.

So I faked a Lunatic Demon whisper from the Lunatic's Lunatic to the Lunatic themself claiming a whole bunch of nonsense that implied the Lunatic and one of their fake Minions were the Lunatic's Lunatic's Minions.

Resulted in the Lunatic using their Demon Whisper to give critical information, which the Demon happily utilized and also denied sending through.

When a whole lot of people died on the 2nd night, the Lunatic Zombuul finally realized something wasn't right.

I was tempted with the Lunatic's fake Lunatic to include in the fake Demon Whisper that this fake Lunatic believed they had a Lunatic.

See how layers deep I could go

[fast anchor]

oh I remember kibitzing that game!

[abstract cosmos]

hmm that sounds familiar

wonder who that lunatic was

[honest tide]

N2 intentional sink into win. This was on TB expert mode. None of the evils were claiming atheist

[coarse fern]

Innkeeper, picked the Boomdandy and the demon. The Boomdandy was executed the next day but nothing happened. Look on their face was absolutely priceless

[shrewd cloud]

Maybe not most uncommon but still quite funny was when, in a 13 player game, the Pit-Hag and Fang Gu who hadn’t talked at all on day one both targeted the Seamstress. The Pit-Hag made them into an Outsider, and the Fang Gu tried to kill them, and oops now there’s a jump

And to make things funnier the Snake Charmer chose the Seamstress N1 so they trusted the Seamstress for most of the game

When good did eventually realize there was a Fang Gu jump they were sure it was coordinated, at least until the end when we got to tell them it wasn’t

[pseudo fulcrum]

Two people in a row come up to me and claim Poppy Grower who messed up their bluff and are now backing into Snake Charmer

[acoustic chasm]

what were they?

[pseudo fulcrum]

The Drunk Poppy Grower and an evil player who thought Poppy Grower wasn't in-play because of it

[honest tide]

Oh I did have this one time where I was made ceremad as the snake charmer day 1 in snv. Claimed to my first chat that I was formerly the vortox. They claimed clockmaker to me. It was a double claim. I found a minion

(Also I’m pretty sure I lied about using my seamstress ability when I didn’t. Even to the end of the game )

[tardy wyvern]

I have gambler confirmed a moonchild on night 2 of a BMR game twice

Also to answer the previous question, I have put a golem in the bag 3 times, and it has never successfully killed anyone

[coarse fern]

Put it in more times

[ivory ridge]

wizard wishing to be another minion

conservative wizard wish is crazy 😭

i've never seen it before, when both playing and spectating

[vale oxide]

3 out of 4 (?) times when I claimed Widow to my first chat in a game of LuF, they outed demon to me

One time it was a lunatic but still

[honest tide]

Oh I have had a good vortox win day 1 on a script with neither a vortox or a heretic

For those curious the wizard wish was “I wish everyone had a wish”. It was out in public town square and framed as a joke (it was the first wizard script game our group had played so there were a lot of joke wishes)

[tardy wyvern]

I've put it in in most games I've run with it on script because I want it to proc eventually

[honest tide]

Oh yeah also @karmic rose wished for $20 and I had to refuse it bc it was her actual wish 😭

[minor pier]

"I wish to be rich" > rename the player 'rich' in all interactions going forward. (I've actually done this to a player that had unknowingly been granted a wish and used it).
"I wish to have 20$" > put a '20$' custom reminder on them.

[gusty bear]

savant info: Amy has a 20$ reminder token on them
[Demon player] is [role they are bluffing]

[sour harness]

Vortox game

[honest tide]

It was in person so I didn’t have custom tokens unfortunately

[lucid crag]

3/567/2025: TPI just had a talk with Masahiro Sakurai and now there's gonna be a Blood on the Clocktower Smash Bros DLC fighter!

What's its name, is it one role/a mix of multiple roles/something else, what does it look like, what are its costumes, what's its stage and spirits? Does it have 7 jumps, 100 projectiles, super armor, what are its attacks? Does it have a gimmick that makes fighting it a great time/nightmare?

Personally all I know is the down air could be like Kirby's rock ability except it's just Golem

[feral snow]

I’m assuming Ultimate for this:

Imp. Looks like a Demon with a trident. Down special makes it take a bunch of damage in exchange for a quick, invincible teleport (think meta knight down b but a bit less lag)

[lucid crag]

I imagine there could be a forward smash/aerial or something that's using the slayer crossbow

though a psychopath axe could definitely be a good forward smash

[pure meadow]

Something like a Gannondorf f-smash or cloud f-smash might be fitting for that

[sharp violet]

"I wish that you give me $20" - granted, you get it at the end of the game, but if you are not the good player most responsible for your team losing then the wish is nullified (you learn this)

(assuming the actual wizard gave a wish to a good player who wished for this)

[sharp violet]

Stage would be Ravenswood Bluff, which has a day/night gimmick, where in the transition from day-night the player who dealt the most damage that day loses a stock, and in the transition from night-day the player who took the least damage that night loses a stock (starts on day)

[sharp violet]

Final Smash gives it a huge buff to all its stats - higher movement speed, less damage taken, more damage dealt, larger attack hitboxes, faster attack speed, gains super armor, 1 extra jump, and can walk on air for 1/3 of a second before no longer being considered grounded

[feral snow]

lol have you ever played ultimate? Every dlc has to have a cutscene final smash where the background is just a PNG

[sharp violet]

I have, I took inspiration from the main cast, the visual of the final smash involves it receiving a bunch of power and roaring/flexing before it begins wreaking havoc in the match

traditions can be broken

[lucid crag]

for final smash I lowkey imagined a town of people gathering around mario before he gets lynched /j

Though I also considered the fighter being named Storyteller and they throw people hit by their final smash into a grimoire before marking their token dead and closing the grim lol

[sour harness]

It would be sakurai not miyamoto but go off I guess 😭

I think making it a human player that transforms into a demon for some of its moves would be 1 cool 2 canon 3 we can justify referencing multiple characters

Name would be "player" like how hero is hero, I guess. Is that too confusing? Too bad

[lucid crag]

that's Kazuya /j

[sour harness]

Specials would be evil characters, normals would be good characters

[lucid crag]

I think the name should be dependant on the costumes like bowser jr

if we go crazy

[hollow oasis]

Legion

some legion ability

where you clone yourself

[sour harness]

Up special could be the imp's starpass, it would be a teleport up B that can be used twice consecutively. Weak damage on use from the starting point

[lucid crag]

or Atheist

or amnesiac so everything makes sense

[hollow oasis]

amnesiac is kinda fucked

Athiest means you start playing mario bros

trust

[sour harness]

Down B is a counter, the Goblin smile appears on its face and if it procs it has a lot of knockback

[lucid crag]

up b could be

[sour harness]

See that makes sense but I like this idea a lot lol

[lucid crag]

up b is actually ice climber up b but it's good and evil twin

/j

[sour harness]

Neutral B is a Po charge, if you hold it long enough it's a massive aoe attack

Side B is poisoner, it's a projectile that does damage over time and maybe slows the opponent a little

Final smash being riot seems cool but idk how to formulate it

[lucid crag]

up smash summons a lil monsta hat that jumps off of your head

[lucid crag]

tbh there is probably a whole moveset for good and evil

[honest tide]

Leviathan. It’s just a character that’s always stamina mode

Or riot which when everyone is on last stock it’s sudden death

[lucid crag]

damn fox matchups go crazy

[sour harness]

When it shields it takes out a cross

Or actually shield is better

[honest tide]

The pithag. It’s just a mashup of a bunch of smash bros moves

[sour harness]

LM's gotta be a taunt cmon

[lucid crag]

nah actually goblin taunt and boomdandy counter

hear me out

[sour harness]

Jab is , it's a 2 hit jab that cycles between using each object (no mechanical difference)

[hollow oasis]

how does clothing hurt someone??

[sour harness]

Oooo I am hearing you out yes

Princess peach literally slaps you, smash is goofy

It's also... wet clothing?

[hollow oasis]

oh it's wet

ok fair

[lucid crag]

but what if the jab (or grab jab) was the hatter hats

[sour harness]

Dash attack is klutz, you slip on a banana peel and end up doing a flip kick

[sour harness]

Oh pummel for SURE yeah

[sour harness]

It also launches a banana item onto the stage (it despawns quickly tho)

Ftilt is the sailor using their anchor, notably it has super armor

[lucid crag]

so dash attacking the wrong way trips opponents behind you lol

it should work like the villager bowling ball and fall off the stage 💯

[sour harness]

Yeah sure why not

OH it has a tether grab just like lucas

[lucid crag]

he said, dooming every single luigi player ever

[sour harness]

It's ok luigi is annoying to play against

If it dies by any means other than KO the death animation has the saint wings

[lucid crag]

gotta have a Juggler taunt I think

[sour harness]

Dtilt can be the town crier bell I guess? Dtilts are hard

Utilt's gotta be gossip

Speech bubble of pain

Fsmash is golem punch, obviously

[lucid crag]

dtilt is a chambermaid angle /j

[sour harness]

Dsmash sends out 2 short range heavy projectiles in the form of tea kettles this also has super armor

Usmash is the player voting (really hard). Charge it long enough and a molotov shoots out

[lucid crag]

or could be shooting up out of the ground

[coarse fern]

Golem spotted

Nice

[lucid crag]

this could be up throw

[sour harness]

Fair is a forward hit with a stick , bair uses scissors , dair is a shovel

Uair is a balloon and gives you a bit of extra airtime

[feral snow]

Guys this is just Game and Watch

[sour harness]

Nair is an aoe heart shaped attack that heals you 1% if you hit at least 2 targets

[sour harness]

.......yea

[lucid crag]

nair puts scales around you which do a lil spin

[feral snow]

This turns it into palutena

[sour harness]

Pummel is hatter as mentioned

[lucid crag]

nah it has super armor

a super armor nair

[feral snow]

Oh boy the strongest nair in the game getting super armor

Thematically fitting but damn

[sour harness]

OH final smash can be leviathan, everyone else has 10 seconds to kill the player or they take a ton of damage and knockback

[lucid crag]

but you can't use it twice in a row /j

[sour harness]

If you try the second time in a row it's just flimsy

Watch people use it in combos tho

[honest tide]

3/7/25 What is your best experience with a character you generally don’t like?

[stable latch]

Mutant, double claimed savant and survived until final 3, good won and my fake savant info was surprisingly accurate

[sour harness]

One time I was the steward and we reracked

[stable latch]

LMAO

[severe raven]

I was Town Crier in a group that likes to nominate 4, 5, 6 times per day, and it was a Legion script, and I got yes every day, but we killed the Lleech host in like f7 or something

[versed junco]

I was Flowergirl, got pukka poisoned n1 and monk protected n2, got a no and the demon was the only person who didn't vote
we won d2

[iron scarab]

i was the drunk village idiot and recieved four evil pings. absolutely fantastic

[pure meadow]

Did you even choose the twin pair that game?

[iron scarab]

no 😋

[tardy wyvern]

I hate playing as soldier but in my first ever game of clocktower I was naturally very cagey and didn’t come out as the soldier until very late, and by then one of the minions had already hard claimed soldier to multiple people so everyone pretty much knew they were evil since I was new

I don’t have a fantastic memory of that game but I’m pretty sure at some point the minion was publicly saying they were the soldier and I was like “wait only one person can be each character right”

The minion then proceeded to say who the entire evil team was in the round robin and we didn’t believe them

[austere steppe]

Fake Savant info, from my perspective of x>100 games of making up fake info and never visiting the ST, is often very accurate.

[lucid crag]

I was tf turned poisoner by kazali and preached night 1, claimed trash dreamer info and was exed in final 3 since I looked like a lleech host

tho there was another time I played poisoner in a tb game, poisoned someone, they figured out they were poisoned, and we won anyway since it didn't matter

[minor pier]

Playing HHR (so it's a Leviathan game), am the Apprentice (Cerenovus). I bluff Apprentice Savant. My Demon bluffs Savant. The Lunatic bluffs Savant. The Pit-Hag makes a Savant. And I fortuitously cerelock the Librarian who saw the Damsel.
I don't like Apprentice, but damn if town wasn't confused trying to sort through 4 Savants info with half the circle lying.

[coarse fern]

Why is it always savant

I distinctly recall bluffing savant as Poli along with the demon bluffing savant and the real savant being the drunk

[karmic rose]

3/9/2025: what script have you been wanting to try?

[feral snow]

Any decently well made custom

Recently I’ve added Ride the Cyclone, Clockwork Cyborg, and China Shop to my list

[sour harness]

Me too, I've tried cc and cs but I wanna try them more

[zenith lotus]

yea for me its China Shop

i also really want to playtest some of my own customs

[young sonnet]

A shit ton of hybrid homebrew scripts

Some by me, some by others

[fast anchor]

I actually want to play Roundabout one of these days

instead of being the one to run it

Oh, and I want to play and run more Rochambeau

but some people aren't enlightened enough :(

[sour harness]

"I don't care what the theory says I only care if it's fun in practice" the script in question:

[next marlin]

Someday I'll work out a livetext scheduled time where people are around that isn't exactly axoscheduled time

[sour harness]

(fwiw I'm not referring to the "leviathan but also killing demons" part)

[acoustic chasm]

what are you refering to

[sour harness]

The SoI break is the biggest thing

[tardy wyvern]

what is this anti pit hag propaganda

(What does the pit hag levi jinx thing mean)

[pure meadow]

The pithag levi jinx isn't in play

[sour harness]

I pulled the demon and the only thing I really did to help my team was forget that cannibal was on script 😭 we won and it didn't feel good bc we outvoted the good team

Also just lycan levi & similar characters

[tidal quiver]

good idea, I'm gonna make a normal script and then put pithag on the script with a huge X over it

[fast anchor]

script that is fun in practice if you're better than I am at bagbuilding to avoid the SoI break

[low burrow]

Please type a positive integer for the page number

[tardy wyvern]

ah

[supple dirge]

27

[sour harness]

It's a pithag hatter script 😭 most bags converge to +2 evils

Well in big games

In small games that's not necessarily true

I'm sure it can produce fun games

But like... 2

[next marlin]

It can produce fun games if you're the one goon cycling 😎

[fast anchor]

you need insane coordination if you don't have starting bh

and, like... good luck when you have all of town killing evils

[next marlin]

Flesh and Bone, Lunar Eclipse, Cultists of Atlantis

[fast anchor]

omw to put a harpy on flesh and bone so vati no longer wants to try it

[next marlin]

[foggy grotto]

Clockwork Cyborg. I've run it but I'd really like to play in it

[next marlin]

so many people saying cc

[tidal quiver]

I can CC why (sorry not sorry)

[sour harness]

nobody saying quadjank :wail: /j

(it's bad)

[next marlin]

Make a good script and not a bad one

[tidal quiver]

nah

[sour harness]

I'm trying to do that with my homebrew

[next marlin]

I think everyone who wants to play quadjank has by now

[sour harness]

That's probably true

[next marlin]

Fix your json for the app >:(

[sour harness]

Skill issue

[next marlin]

ok guess you won't get a cool botcu breakout script like China Shop then

[pure meadow]

Scftd :3

[tidal quiver]

every night I wake up at like 2 AM and I come up with some amazing sounding homebrew character, in like 3 more weeks I'll have a full homebrew script, so I guess I want to play the unformed script of my literal nightmares

[sour harness]

China shop is the reason I haven't run SI since the text game 😭

Not complaining tho those were fun games

[next marlin]

I had a script come to me in a dream once and the premise was "imp/vigor/levi rochambeaulike using wizard as death mod"

I tried to make it and realized this premise might have issues

[sour harness]

Throw on boffin atheist too

[fast anchor]

does miss register count as a botcu breakout if the only one running it is kenoboi my goat

[next marlin]

yes

[fast anchor]

actually night-vision goggles will technically qualify as a breakout because etreides will be playing it on streams

[tidal quiver]

I love spending like an hour making a script before realizing that my concept fundamentally doesn't work, and then I realize that I was tunneling while not even playing

[sour harness]

Same with binary supernovae :3

Can't wait to lose round 1 because the concept isn't balanced in the slightest

[acoustic chasm]

It's fun though

[tidal quiver]

sorry, what's a breakout script? Just a script that was featured on some major botc youtube/streaming channel?

[next marlin]

"modern custom that becomes legitimately popular" is probably the best working definition

[sour harness]

I do wanna see how a more experienced meta handles it

[next marlin]

with particular implications of "played by people other than its originator/groups disconnected from them"

[sour harness]

Because my irl group has only been playing for a few months

[fast anchor]

(that's the "out" in breakout)

[acoustic chasm]

Yee

[fast anchor]

inb4 both demons selfkill n2

[sour harness]

It's ok, only one of them can actually do that

[acoustic chasm]

Good meta

[sour harness]

The imp will just pass to the xaan 2

[next marlin]

I did think of the perfect name for a rochambeaulike recently so I tried to go back to "whatever I saw in that dream" then concluded whatever vision I had was probably a 20/800 vision

[next marlin]

oh: I also kind of unironically want to play The Most Script Ever

just to see

[sour harness]

Honestly same

Morbid curiosity

[fast anchor]

same

[pure meadow]

What even is The Most Script Ever

[fast anchor]

#livetext-event-listings message

[pure meadow]

I just saw the scheduled 😭

[fast anchor]

double ping @pure meadow

anyway im gonna be running it for april fools

vati you know what to do

[feral snow]

It’s almost good

But like

[next marlin]

I rsvped

[feral snow]

Key word “almost”

[ivory ridge]

midnight oasis

i've never actually played it

[foggy grotto]

😍😍😍

sorry miss register was mentioned

[foggy grotto]

good

[next marlin]

The terrifying thing about Midnight Oasis is that, from a raw design perspective, it's good. It has a clear and unique vision that it genuinely accomplishes with attention to how to pull it off

It's just that the vision is "being Midnight Oasis"

[lean isle]

• Various homebrew scripts, both full and hybrid
• Some modern popular scripts like China Shop
• Rochambeau is extremely cursed in a way I want to give it a shot, even though bagbuilding sounds scary
• Kinda wonder about Garden of Djinn submissions and what kind of games they could offer. Only really know Binary Supernovae and Sentinel Strikes Back atm.

[barren zenith]

Nothing currently, still waiting on TPI to release more characters for Final Nail 😭

[honest tide]

Maybe this one?

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1204939460068773939/1340049005756940349/SCR_BALATRO_JAUNTY.png?ex=67cfeca3&is=67ce9b23&hm=7fe25834b71ff05ba6a4cf3ee997d60d310f5f2fb9e840b9f197d491f759022d&

[foggy grotto]

atheist legion 😭😭😭

[honest tide]

Or lizards 2 in person

[honest tide]

Yeah… I don’t think I actually like the script but I want to play it just so I can role play gambler regardless of role

[lean isle]

Gambler with no other extra deaths is something.

(beside Legion)

Balatro thing is interesting, but could use a better script

[iron scarab]

i wna play some of the HBL showcase scripts sometime they look really fun

[rare plume]

i find it funny that some of these arent even joker cards

[karmic rose]

yesss reptiles 2 let's do it @honest tide

I want to run Gary Cooper, Sheriff when I've had a few glasses of wine

this is a good idea and not a bad idea

[honest tide]

Maybe I’ll do it this weekend…

Oh also I want to play fishbucket

Or ST fishbucket

[severe raven]

3/10/2025: What's your Medway number and how did you get it?

This is the same principle as the Kevin Bacon number.
If you're Steven Medway, your number is 0.
If you've played or storytold a game of BotC with him (he can be player or ST, doesn't matter), your number is 1.
If you're not a 1 but you've played/STed with a 1, you're a 2.
If you're not 1 or 2 but you've played/STed with a 2, you're a 3.
And so on.

[lean isle]

Absolutely no idea :D

[gusty bear]

0

[tidal quiver]

-1

[gusty bear]

uh i think it's a 2, although i can't remember who my 1 is

[shrewd cloud]

I’ve played in games with TPI STs like Ben Burns and them, have to imagine a 2?

[gusty bear]

possibly a 3

[tardy wyvern]

I think it's 3 but I'm not sure

Has patters ever played in a game with steven

[tidal quiver]

I'm probably a 3 (I'm completely blindly assuming that Paradox is a 2)

[tardy wyvern]

That's also where I'm getting my 3 from lmao

[zenith lotus]

yea he is

he was in a patters video recently 😉

[pseudo fulcrum]

Yeah i'm at most a 3, possibly a 2

[next marlin]

Tragic that this doesn't include "has interacted with in-person without actually playing botc with" so I'm not a 1
I'm one of our "3s-ish through people who've played with Patters and Ben" then I think

[young sonnet]

'Scuse you, it's pronounced "Erdös number" Kevin Bacon is a fake usurper

[young sonnet]

Yeah I think I'm 4 despite only playing one game online

I played with some APoC people who I think have played once at some point with Paradox who then has played with Patters, and they've played with Steven before

[supple dirge]

I've played games with edd and evin, so 2. I think most people who've gone to clocktower con are at least a 3 or lower

[honest tide]

A 3 I think. Possibly 2

[tacit fiber]

2 I’ve played with Ben Burns

[ivory ridge]

oh so i'm a 3 then 🔥

[fast anchor]

I've played with Patters, so either 2 or 3

[ivory ridge]

there's always an off chance that i am actually just steven medway in a top hat

🔥

[feral snow]

Mizu and I have pi’s number +1

4.14 if you will

[fast anchor]

oh! i've played a game with chris grace before, who played with steven in that one NRB video

so I'm a 2

🎉

[pseudo fulcrum]

oh wait i completely forgot that i've played in a game that Patters STed

yeah I'm a 2

[coarse fern]

If axo is a 2, I’m a 3 yippee

[pure meadow]

req is a 2 meaning basically all of livetext is a 3 :)

[ivory ridge]

how you get the peach color 👀

[pure meadow]

Agreeing to pin stuff in the archive servers.

[ivory ridge]

😔

[karmic slate]

A 2

[fast anchor]

has patters actually played with steven?

[shrewd cloud]

Also have played with Chris Grace 🤝

[honest tide]

Pretty sure virtually everyone on the server is probably at least a 3

[karmic slate]

Now let's brag about how cool our chain is 😎

-# Evin once called me Paradox in person

[tidal quiver]

you think you're so cool? well Paradox once called me Magica over voice

yeah that's right I'm so cool, I played a game STd by the guy who made Ride the Cyclone

[dense moat]

I'm definitely at least a 3, since I've definitely had games with Axolator and maybe a few other 2s here

But i dont think im a 2

[sour harness]

3 or 4 for me then

[sour harness]

Oh then I'm a 3

[sour harness]

Off you as well then

[tacit fiber]

I’ve made uh a lot of ppl 3s lol

[foggy grotto]

2

played with Ben once

[tacit fiber]

I’ve played with you I think?

[pseudo fulcrum]

Good point, I don't actually know

[ebon idol]

2 for sure, i've played with a lot of ppl across the years i'd be super surprised if not

[young sonnet]

Either way, Paradox played with George that game and George definitely has

[karmic rose]

I think I'm a 2 or a 3, have played games with people on TPI streams but not sure if those people have played with Medway directly

[honest tide]

That’s where I’m at too

[alpine silo]

im a 1, i had a game storytold by medway for me at the first vegas con

oooh am i the first 1

i also got him to sign my town square with "the worst dreamer hes ever seen" bc it was snv and my god was i a bad dreamer

[ivory ridge]

wait so if you play with me i'm a two 🔥

[alpine silo]

time for ppl to farm medway 2's off of me ig

[ivory ridge]

medway 2 farmer 😭

[alpine silo]

weirdly ive also played 2 games with chris grace, and in both of them he was Spartacus

[young sonnet]

Well that can't be possible because I'm Spartacus

[sour harness]

Wait no im spartacus

[tidal quiver]

can't wait to make a script with spartacus and mutant

[modern plume]

I'm one of the few people on this server then with both a Medway number and an Erdos number

No, I'm not telling you my Erdos number

[pure meadow]

:(

[modern plume]

There's resources that lets you find out everyone with an Erdos number. It wouldn't be much, but still it'd be partial self-doxxing

[pure meadow]

Oh yeah that makes sense then

[ivory ridge]

what's erdos number

[ebon idol]

Okay realized I ran a text game for and played with Jams so firmly a 2

[modern plume]

Erdos was a famous mathematician who had an excessive number of papers published with many other co-authors.

So the Erdos number of a mathematician is the number of mathematicians in the path between them and Erdos through shared papers

[pure meadow]

The amount of connections needed to get from a person to the mathematician Paul Erdos I'm pretty sure

[modern plume]

I have co-authored a paper with someone who has an Erdos number, thus I have an Erdos number as well

[ivory ridge]

is he still alive

[modern plume]

Nope

[ivory ridge]

it's joever

[modern plume]

The number of Erdos 1 mathematicians is limited and dwindles over time

[sharp violet]

2, surely Beardy has played with Steven before, right?

[tidal quiver]

Did somebody say math papers? I love the 300 page proof for 1+1=2, it's got amazing character development

[modern plume]

Erdos was quite the character. Guy owned pretty much nothing but a suitcase of a few belongings, no house, no place to stay, just went flying across the world from country to country... and would just randomly show up at other Mathematician's houses, knock, and ask to do mathematics with them

One of the greatest mathematicians of modern times was functionally an academic hobo

[tidal quiver]

honestly my dream job

I'm scarily close to being that person, except neither I nor the people who I visit are smart

[ivory ridge]

erdos but it's magica and the mathematicians are direhands

[tidal quiver]

yessss

how about I be Erdos but instead of math it's botc and I just show up at Steven Medway's house

[pure meadow]

Why does it feel like so many people are obsessed with dire??

[ivory ridge]

🎶 it's a direhands' world and you're lucky to be living in it 🎶

[tidal quiver]

Dire is simply the main character

[sour harness]

I thought vati was the main character??? Is it a new season or smth

[pure meadow]

Its like when a side character gets a show of their own, so they are both the main character

[next marlin]

Dire has a spinoff yeah

I think he's trying to seduce a bunch of people or something

[fast anchor]

I don't know for certain but i'd be surprised if he hadn't

(and if he has, then hey, that's another reason for Medway 2)

[sour harness]

Got it

[sour harness]

Medway 2 sounds like Townsfolk info

"you got an empath 1? Well I got a Medway 2 so that's not possible"

[tidal quiver]

what is the Medway's ability?

[sour harness]

Haven't thought that far ahead

[pure meadow]

I tried to come up with one but it was just mathematician 2 :|

[tidal quiver]

"you learn how many on-script characters are real unreleased characters that have been leaked"

or if you want a real ability, how about "each night, you learn how many evil players woke up" or something

[severe raven]

in my group we once did a thing where 25 of us each created an ability for ourselves named after ourself

so it would be like (fake names)
Alice (Outsider): You think you are a Minion, but you are not. Minions know who you are.
Bob (Demon): You start by choosing a Base 3 demon to become. 1 good player knows which.

[next marlin]

pinging the entirety of the known [redacted] area for their abilities

[young sonnet]

Lmao I'm picturing someone being like "Bwahahaha, I've narrowed Quilava down to 1 of approximately 10,000 mathematicians!"

[modern plume]

Add in with the context clues of my time zone + reasonable guess about my age

[young sonnet]

Yeah don't get me wrong it's fair to not want to dox yourself, I just think the idea of tracking someone down via Erdös number to be very funny

Like in movies and TV people trace their IP address and here it's just like "I've got them now! They fell into the classic 'What's your Erdös number?' trap!"

[sour harness]

You know there's a finite amount of people with an erdos number so technically we can narrow down who you are

There was gonna be a punchline I just forgot to send and now I don't remember what it was

[modern plume]

With just the knowledge of an Erdos number existing? That's practically every Math Ph.D student

[iron scarab]

how many math phd students can there be? a hundred?

[modern plume]

[iron scarab]

two hundred? cant be that many

[modern plume]

On average there's around 1200 new Math Ph.Ds per year in the US

[fast anchor]

of course you don't know how small a number 200 is; you're not a math phd :)

that's why i can't count to 200, because i don't have a math phd

[sour harness]

Several orders of magnitude

[fast anchor]

as a musician i can only count to 7

[iron scarab]

wtf is a 7? i only know the numbers 2 to 4

[shrewd cloud]

I only know 0 and 1

[sour harness]

As a musician I can only count to four, as a mathematician I can't count to anything under a thousand

[iron scarab]

oh thats way more than 200

[pure meadow]

You’re a livetext player how do you not know the number seven???

[iron scarab]

i made it up

dotcross invention

[sour harness]

Waffles I have bad news for you

I'm so sorry this is how you have to hear about it

7 is not between 1 and 2

[modern plume]

Define between

[pure meadow]

This is the saddest day of my life

[fast anchor]

if there's a series of time signature changes with a 7/4 or 7/8 bar somewhere in there, i can guarantee you will hear a room of musicians counting to 7

[sour harness]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inequality_(mathematics)

[iron scarab]

see the problem is that implies that the musicians are competent

[sour harness]

I count to 3 and just let the 3rd one stay there longer

It's like how 5 is actually just 2

[modern plume]

Define the relation of equality on the numbers and the binary operators of comparison.

[fast anchor]

<--- not a math phd

last i checked 7 is not a member of [1,2]

[modern plume]

Which specific number system as well we using

[sour harness]

B is between A and C iff A<B<C

[iron scarab]

ya just count 5/4 as 2.5/2 i dont see how this can be a problem

[sour harness]

Real numbers

[modern plume]

Define what A < B means

[young sonnet]

Then how did you know how many letters you didn't send?

[fast anchor]

oh i just stole it from maroon 5

i can count that high

[sour harness]

I could do that or I could be lazy and redirect you to that Wikipedia article again

[iron scarab]

wait you’re telling me the members of maroon 5 are all math phd students?

[fast anchor]

i... suppose so, yeah

[modern plume]

That'd be circular then, how uncouth.

[iron scarab]

huge implications

[sour harness]

I love circles!!!

[pure meadow]

Yeah music was their second most intense passion, only behind mathematics

[fast anchor]

11/3: how high can you count

[iron scarab]

wtf is 11/3

[young sonnet]

Spoken like a true physicist

[pure meadow]

I can only count to four

[iron scarab]

oh i was reading that as a time signature for some reason

[fast anchor]

lmao

[pure meadow]

The best time signature

[lean isle]

Peak

[iron scarab]

mmmmmm

[sour harness]

https://youtu.be/u8ccGjar4Es?si=5iWSdvH1GWUEwe2H

[iron scarab]

ok secret thing has been hijacked mission complete

[sour harness]

Oh you want hijacking

3/11 spread this image across the internet. add it as an emoji anywhere you can. please we need everyone to help

[pure meadow]

You say this like this has a real on-topic to hijack??

[iron scarab]

grrr

[pure meadow]

Is this a catbird??

[sour harness]

cowl

If we could get it as an emoji here that'd be great

[pure meadow]

It has that dotcross posting a script image quality

[iron scarab]

ill have you know i always post my scripts with the highest quality

[sour harness]

I can find a higher quality version this is just the one I have downloaded

[shrewd cloud]

Lower quality makes it funnier

[sour harness]

This is true

Anyways please spread this cat owl thing across the internet

It would mean a lot

:ca:

[young sonnet]

Why

[pure meadow]

Cowl

[fast anchor]

i vote nay for emote

we already have the best emote on this server

[young sonnet]

Thanks Hystrex! Very cool

[digital drum]

Gave +1 Thanks to @sour harness (current: #177 - 252)

[fast anchor]

and also

[sour harness]

Ok we can have a third best emote or whatever

[fast anchor]

and i can't forget about and

[pure meadow]

I do love

[sour harness]

Does have lore

[fast anchor]

#birth-of-the-picnic-basket

yes

it's got lore rivaling

[pure meadow]

I always forget that :letitburn: is a server emote

[fast anchor]

[sour harness]

Gif emoji aren't real

[fast anchor]

oh i forgot we had too

[fast anchor]

fine, have

[sour harness]

I'm on a mission alongside many others to get cowl to enter the zeitgeist

[young sonnet]

It would help if you explained it

🥺

[sour harness]

Musician I really like

[young sonnet]

Lmao

Finally someone abusing power for something good

[sour harness]

Azali is literally just some guy and I love that

Like that applies to most/all online personas but azali doesn't try to hide it or anything

It's just like "yeah here's this waffle recipe I found, it has absolutely nothing to do with anything on my channel hope u enjoy"

[dense moat]

[Will of Chronos]: Of the original SAO1, when does your favorite role wake?

• YSK
• EN
• EN*
• ED
• OPG
• Passive/on death/etc.

[dense moat]

(and also which role would that be? Optionally, why?)

[tardy wyvern]

EN*, Pit hag shenanigans are so unbelievably fun to both play and watch

[tacit fiber]

3rd or 5th depending on the day

[shrewd cloud]

EN*, also Pit-Hag because of the creativity it can unlock. I especially love turning good abilities against good (especially Snake Charmer)

[ivory ridge]

...does wizard wake

[pure meadow]

All and none :3

[feral snow]

No

[ivory ridge]

you just hate fun and whimsy

[feral snow]

I like being right

[ivory ridge]

what if my wizard wish is "i wish to have insomnia"

[pure meadow]

Didn’t read the which role part. It’s the marionette :D

[karmic rose]

wait I know a non-trivial percentage of all math PhD students in the US then 😭

that's so messed up

[honest tide]

It doesn’t fit into any of these

[feral snow]

It doesn’t fit into et cetera????

[honest tide]

Idk

It’s amne

So it fluctuating

Because it can be any or all of them

[sharp violet]

EN

[barren zenith]

1. OPG
2. Puzzlemaster
3. Best outsider and it's super fun to play as.

[severe raven]

I think my favorite was in the “other” category because it starts with “You do not know what”, even though it’s also an each day ability

[iron scarab]

ysk because its steward

[sour harness]

chat what's the opposite of 🔥

[next marlin]

🧊 probably

[pure meadow]

I was going to say ⁉️ is the emoji I use in the opposite way from how I use 🔥

[sour harness]

Nah interrobang has a different connotation I feel

[tidal quiver]

that's called interrobang!?

who named that emoji

[pure meadow]

I use fire as like a “so true bestie” so interrobang gives off opposite vibes to that in a way

[tidal quiver]

but I love bait/passive roles, so I guess never waking/waking situationally

[young sonnet]

just the ❓

1 d4 psychic damage anytime someone hits you w/ that react

[acoustic chasm]

I also think 🤨 is what i'd use

[young sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-gif-21922016

[acoustic chasm]

i don't have a favourite cahracter but

I think the non-waking gossip is probably up there

Also the YSK washerwoman is also up there too.

Washerwoman encourages roleswaps and the like which I always love to do

And getting palyers who wouldn't do that much get caught up and support my shenanagins is always fun.

also idk if this is a hot take or not, but I think Mezepheles is a beginner friendly minion.

[young sonnet]

I think it's a way easier concept to wrap your head around and play around than Cerenovus

[acoustic chasm]

ye

i think if I'm making a beginner friendly script (which is very difficult) I'm gonna put mez on it

it encourages social reading

i don't like it from a solving perspective but ye its a cool socials minion

[young sonnet]

As long as town is strong enough it's honestly fine

It's just people be putting Mez with like King/Huntsman/NWM and wondering why it's stomping good

[alpine silo]

ysk (bc all players start knowing the vizier)

[coarse fern]

The golem one

[sharp violet]

(Cerenovus btw)

[gray ridge]

YSK

(pixie

[ivory ridge]

[time is.] all garden of djinn scripts have been revealed publicly via the official app! true to #custom-script-discussion's nature, which script seems most interesting to you? which scripts are you particularly excited to test out? is there a way for me to facilitate a sport bet ring for this world cup championship?

[acoustic chasm]

I think firstly I want to say

Congrats to the finalists

As someone who made a garden of djinn script, the creativity of these script ideas blew me away, and makes me really want to work on a djinn script of my own

[lean isle]

Yep, these are really creative, congrats to them

[acoustic chasm]

Of the ones I have looked at, the Phantom Detectives and the Djinn's Bargain look like they shake up the game a lot

However, I actually love the simplicity of the River Styx.

The Ferryman's ability is amended to: Each night* the demon may choose if all dead players regain their vote token.

I think encouraging more actvity from the dead is wonderful

It gives players who are probably minions more to do

It seems to really play into one of the mechanics that makes clocktower unique

And it doesn't completely shake up the game so much that its all about the Djinn rule

But it gives clocktower a push in the right direction

[alpine silo]

i like This Is Not My Beautiful House bc it's a talking heads reference. and also bc it's a fun and simple idea

[acoustic chasm]

I also feel that djinnlegger scripts in general should be more common place. As someone who loves homebrew, that is in character for me. But what better way to make a script unique than that?

[shrewd cloud]

I am biased for one of the scripts (the one that partially credits a whole ass server for helping create it so you can connect the dots), but while Seat 7 is probably my overall favorite Djinn rule in terms of being something useful and interesting, I do also quite like Council of the Dead and the Quiet Al-Had one

[lean isle]

These rules open up a lot of interesting space for scriptbuilding.

[acoustic chasm]

Yeah Binary Supernovae is really interesting

[zenith lotus]

for me its gotta to be Buyer's Remorse. Auctioning abilities just seems so cool to me and i cant wait to see how it plays out on stream

[cyan reef]

I feel a little better about scripts baing Bootlegger rules now that the jsons/app directly support it

[shrewd cloud]

Buyer’s Remorse is the one I’m most hesitant on since it does seem like the most out there Djinn rule but I’m definitely down to give it a shot

[acoustic chasm]

same

Honestly rules are made to be broken

[cyan reef]

like, I'll probably still avoid most of them personally, lol, but more options are always good

[acoustic chasm]

You can do what you like personally

I think its awesome

Maybe I will become jaded and change my mind on it, but the script maker in me is excited

[cyan reef]

big fan of options

[lean isle]

I think my favourite ones atm are Binary Supernovae, This Is Not My Beautiful House, Stowed Away.
Others also look interesting.

[ivory ridge]

can't wait for tpi to use tinmbh to tease hermit

[barren zenith]

Binary Supernovae, Seat 7 and Trained Killer are my favourite

Trained killer has a poisoner, but I think the idea is very interesting

It's tricky to rank them without knowing all of the scripts tho

[acoustic chasm]

you can find out on the .app

they're listed there

[lean isle]

Scripts are public.

[barren zenith]

Oh

[shrewd cloud]

Still not 100% sure how to feel about Trained Killer though Mayor being on top is peak comedy I will give it that

[lean isle]

It is hilarious.

[acoustic chasm]

mayor being on top is hilarious ye

[barren zenith]

I like amne being at the bottom as well

Cause it can feel bad to kill an amne in a yagga/LM game imo

[acoustic chasm]

doesn't that confirm a mayor? i guess it doesn't matter too much

It does feel quite finnicky to storytell

[barren zenith]

My worry is that you can't kill minions in a LM game

[acoustic chasm]

Just Mayor-bounce into a LM

[minor pier]

There's a few I'm not that hyped for, but most are quite interesting and should present new & fun play patterns. I can see how they selected a smattering of each kind of djinn rule, probably taking the 'best' of each sort of rule alteration.
According to Ben, they went from ~550 submissions, to ~60 that got >2 yesses, to the current 16, so while I (and probably many others) am a bit sad to not have been selected, I can totally see how tight the competition must have been up to this point.

[barren zenith]

And if it isn't in play?

[acoustic chasm]

then you cry

ye that is a bit worrying honestly

but it shows that they value ideas. I'm sure there i ssome way to make it work

[sour harness]

Hahaha I'm not biased at all

I think I'm most excited for stowed away and buyer's remorse, but I wanna play all of em

Though tbh what I'm most excited for changes every couple hours

Djinn's bargain is another really cool one

[foggy grotto]

Haven’t seen the actual scripts yet aside from 2 but in terms of Djinn rules, This is Not My Beautiful House has gotta be my favorite. The quiet Alhad and Binary Supernovae are also front runners for me

[foggy grotto]

Any way to view it on mobile rn?

[acoustic chasm]

no clue

[sour harness]

I was able to pull up the PDF right from the website

[ivory ridge]

do the thing hystrex

[sour harness]

It's a little finicky tho bc the UI doesn't seem to be designed for mobile

What thing

[ivory ridge]

oh i thought you were about to post the script 😭

[sour harness]

Oh I can

[sour harness]

I know

But like, it still works

Like here's I see dead people

[fast anchor]

standard paradox order-ass banshee placement

[sour harness]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1340056503515611218/1340056506644697128/Binary_Supernovae-1.png?ex=67d296a0&is=67d14520&hm=2734d2593fe5611ede7e403f29e4541131d75e95485950b9a51b47d4775fe4cf&

Wow what a cool script who made it

[fast anchor]

I did

You can tell because I put an Exorcist and Summoner on the script to push the n2 selfpick propaganda

[sour harness]

The astonishing assassin:

[foggy grotto]

i really like i see dead people now that i saw the script

it’s like barrow fog on crack

[fast anchor]

mfw 3 death night

[sour harness]

Yeah more or less

Mastermind is so funny there

[foggy grotto]

it’s hilarious

might not be super fun to play against tho

which is my fear

[sour harness]

🤷

[foggy grotto]

just saw Show Me Wonders

does poisoner actually work there wtf

[sour harness]

Oh that's one of the others I haven't seen yet lemme look

Nooo I was hoping it would have legion

[pure meadow]

What’s the djinn rule for this one?

[fast anchor]

Alhad choices are not announced & all players privately choose to live or die each night regardless of which Demon is in play

[feral snow]

Ahhhhh right

I was like there’s no way this works

[sour harness]

A big part of me wants ->

[feral snow]

But that does it

[sour harness]

But it'll be fine right

Yeah quiet alhad

[feral snow]

Should be fine I’m sure

[sour harness]

It's a really cool concept

[lean isle]

It is a cool idea

[fast anchor]

Alhad assassin cycle is a thing

[sour harness]

Ur so right

[tacit fiber]

SHOW ME WONDERS SHOUDL HAVE LEGION GRRRRR 😔

Stowed Away, Binary Supernovae and Ballad of Seat 7 are my top 3 now

[foggy grotto]

is PH too loud for legion

[tacit fiber]

Trained Killer and This is Not my Beautiful House are up there tho

[acoustic chasm]

pit hag?

no

It's like cere

players who have been pit hagged can just be legion bluffing

and legion deaths could be used to mimic a jump

[foggy grotto]

yeah true

looking at Off to See the Wizard rn

it’s quite strange

it has an SnV adjacent infoscape but like TB droisoining

[sour harness]

It's even more legion bluffable than cere

[acoustic chasm]

ye

[sharp violet]

So sad that This Is Not My Beautiful House, Binary Supernovae, and The Ballad of Seat 7 are all in the same group, one of them will have to get knocked out early

(also of course someone would recreate Barrow-Fog)

[sour harness]

The warrens also looks cool 😭

[karmic rose]

[3/13]: botany references: it's cross-breeding time! Post two characters, and let someone else try and design a hybrid of the two.

I'll start: x

[sour harness]

ez

[karmic rose]

I was so confused until I realized chef is a thematic cross of those two roles

[barren zenith]

Butlcher (traveller)
"Each night: choose a player. If they die by execution tomorrow, you may nominate another player immediately after."

[stable latch]

[minor pier]

Witcher (Minion) : Each night, choose a player : they learn this. If they nominate tomorrow without guessing correctly the nominated character, they die.

[finite wigeon]

Hexblade (Minion) - Once per game, at night, guess a player's character. If correct, players who nominate die.

[next marlin]

Me when I call the demon correctly and don't die:

[tacit fiber]

[minor pier]

Me when I fake receiving a ping then nom a TF with their claim :

[finite wigeon]

Me when Pinocchio is roasting my ass, but his nose doesn't move at all

[tacit fiber]

it's easy to make

[acoustic chasm]

Scoundrel (Minion) Twice per game*, at night, guess a player's character: if correct, they die.

[tacit fiber]

just painful to write out

[minor pier]

Vizier Grinder (Minion) - All players but you vote with their eyes closed. If good voted on a nomination today, once per night you may choose to drunk the nominator until dusk.

Bit strong, but there's only so much you can do with those weirdoes x)

[coarse fern]

and

[fast anchor]

Artolem (Townsfolk): Once per game, publicly ask a player a yes/no question: if incorrect, they die.

[sharp violet]

[sour harness]

Literally just TBA au'wre

[abstract cosmos]

[tidal quiver]

Leviahiir (Minion): All players know you are in play. Evil wins after day 5. If you are publicly chosen by the first good player each day, you are drunk.

I don't really know how to word the ability but it only triggers on the first good player's public choice

and

[coarse fern]

Snake Puzzler (townsfolk): Each night, choose a player. If you choose the demon, do not swap characters. They become drunk
/j

[tidal quiver]

that snake really is confusing

[coarse fern]

It’s balanced trust me

[sour harness]

A player is drunk, even if you die. Each night, choose a player: if they were the player you made drunk, you swap characters

[tidal quiver]

great idea, will add it into my next TB game

[coarse fern]

Does the B stand for Bewing

[tidal quiver]

this sounds super fun to play

[tidal quiver]

it does now

[tacit fiber]

[finite wigeon]

You keep this ability even if dead. Good wins if (& only if) they correctly guess who you are (once). Evil wins after Day 6.

[sharp violet]

Zombiathan (Demon): Each night* apply an effect based on who was executed yesterday:

• A good player: they choose 2 players: they might die at any time.
• An evil player: they live but register as dead, then if all evil players register as dead, good wins.
• Nobody: choose a player: they die.

[finite wigeon]

[sharp violet]

Hattibal (Townsfolk): If you die at night, you learn all executed characters, then choose an alive player and a learned good character: they gain that ability. For each learned evil character, choose an extra good character.

[severe raven]

[tidal quiver]

I tried making something real weird: Fishacle (Townsfolk): "Once per game, during the day*, publicly ask a question. The next night, all dead good players learn if it was true or not, but 1 gets false info"

[dusky minnow]

[sharp violet]

Mugion (Minion): Any player who is "mad" they are the character they think they are might be executed. All players learn you are in play.

[karmic rose]

[dusky minnow]

Kind of a weird High Priestess for the dead
Oraclerman: Each night, learn something that would help a dead player.

[dusky minnow]

Virsel: If you get nominated, the nominator's team loses at dawn.

[sharp violet]

[sour harness]

You start knowing 3 players: you must vote on all their nominations, even if dead with your vote token.

[fast anchor]

oh that's brutal

[ivory ridge]

[severe raven]

If you are nominated and no good players vote, the nominator is executed instead.

[feral snow]

Demon: 1 good player knows your ability. Each day, guess what it is. You learn how close you are.

Yes this is a TBA homebrew

[next marlin]

It's almost the opposite of Obscrul if anything

[dense moat]

Closer to Cryptid than Obscrul, but still far rougher than that

[next marlin]

Obscrul knows its ability, it's a good player that guesses it

[dense moat]

Since you don’t have context for your power

[severe raven]

For spy?

[feral snow]

Oh you’re right that’s the spy’s unofficial icon

[dense moat]

This

[feral snow]

I thought it was assassin

I should sleep lol

See yall later

[ivory ridge]

nooooo

🥺

[next marlin]

Mizu suddenly appearing at the thought of squall not being forced to make 2 million posts

[ivory ridge]

true

[fast anchor]

It's almost exactly Rusalka from High Seas of Mutiny

[ivory ridge]

i'm very saddened that squall go to sleep 😔

he's my bestie in term of staying awake till 4 am

[fast anchor]

Rusalka (Demon): You do not know what your ability is, but learn a hint each night. 1 good player knows your ability. If they are mad that the Rusalka is in play, you learn your ability.

[feral snow]

I have an unfortunate tendency to copy abilities from pirate homebrew scripts

[feral snow]

Idk where they are all day

I’m up from like 6am to midnight this is first message I’ve seen from them

[ivory ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/sadhamstergirl-gif-4231717927828306245

[warped fog]

passive

[supple dirge]

3/16 What would other TB + 1 variants be called?

For example TB + Marionette = Strings Pulling

[fleet hedge]

TB + High Priestess = Shit
please don't start a HP discussion 😭

[tacit fiber]

*calls HP bad* "please don't start an HP discussion" bestie

[next marlin]

I think I've seen "Trouble Wishing" for tb+wizard but the much funnier option is "Trouble Spelling"

[coarse fern]

Trouble Punching

TB + better

[fleet hedge]

TB + Matron = Trouble Sitting

[ivory ridge]

wouldn't it be trouble standing instead

[feral snow]

We did a thread about this wait

[blazing niche]

TB + Pit Hag = Toil and Trouble

[signal holly]

...what is the least impactful character i could add to TB

Trouble Stewing

[ivory ridge]

legion

call it throuple brewing

[foggy grotto]

TB + Vortox = Trouble Trueing

(don’t do this)

[feral snow]

@sour harness where’s the thread for this

[sour harness]

https://discord.com/channels/569683781800296501/1327138267795296256

[feral snow]

Ah thank you

[karmic rose]

I think TB + Mastermind would not change play patterns lmao

for "least impactful addition"

[minor pier]

There's normally no reason to double tap on TB, so that's a pretty big change I'd say

[karmic rose]

yeah fair. I think I need my coffee this morning

[sour harness]

Just kill evil players ez

[sharp violet]

TB + Harpy = Monsters Swooping

[fast anchor]

TB + ogre - butler = "Butler Crying"

[rare plume]

TB = "Butler Crying"

[feral snow]

Tbutler Bcrying

[dense moat]

TB + Xaan = "Trouble X"

[honest tide]

Trouble Charging

[gray ridge]

Trouble Screaming ()
Trouble Claiming ()

[karmic rose]

[3/17] what's the funniest way you've ever won a game?

[feral snow]

Where do I begin lol

[ivory ridge]

do not

[feral snow]

Lmao choose your favourite

[ivory ridge]

nuh uh

that boomdandy game is not fair

😭

[feral snow]

:)

Okay so

Day 1

Neighbour claims Shugenja pointing at me

Other neighbour claims Shugenja pointing at me

First neighbours other neighbour (my fellow Minion) claims the same thing

My other neighbours other neighbour claims it too

I survive day 1

First neighbour executed

Day 2

Other neighbour is pixie Shugenja pointing at me

Their other neighbour is undertaker confirming Shugenja

I get executed

||as the Boomdandy||

Mizu had the right world and no one listened

[dry sluice]

Investigator; figured out pretty fast which of my targets was the real minion. Claimed that my info "verified them as good." Then in final 3 revealed that I baited a starpass

[fast anchor]

why the fuck is that ST going pixie shugenja

[feral snow]

No clue

They are in this server though

[fast anchor]

it wasn't sami was it

[feral snow]

No hate to them that script and that game were funny

[feral snow]

No he was the undertaker I believe

@mossy frigate in that one Boomdanday with the quad Shugenja game were you the undertaker?

[mossy frigate]

The text game?

[feral snow]

Nope live

It was in person in like October?

[mossy frigate]

Ohhhh

I think I was Empath or something I thought I had a ping on you

Or maybe I was real Shug lol

Oh wait actually UT is very possible

I do think some extra context is needed

[feral snow]

Can’t find it in game records rip

[mossy frigate]

I said specifically that was exe Squall on d1, and that idc if they are the Boomdandy because I saw who the demon is from their convos

But the demon starpass n2

[feral snow]

Oh yeah lol

[mossy frigate]

So when we killed Squall d2 we couldn't find who the demon was

[feral snow]

I think f3 was poisoner, cere turned imp, and mizu

Guess who was killed

[fast anchor]

im losing all faith in this ST

why do you leave 2 evils alive in a boomdandy f3 😭😭

[feral snow]

They’re a newer ST and it’s their own script

I think it was their first Boomdandy game

(Because I had to explain how to run it)

Again nothing against them it was hilarious

[mossy frigate]

Yeah this was my gripe as well, but it was funny as fuck so I'm not really that mad

[feral snow]

It happens

I do enjoy the script and I think it’s better now than it used to be

[mossy frigate]

What even is this thread lol

[barren zenith]

It's a really cool custom script

(Jk)

I have no clue

[feral snow]

each day someone asks a question

[feral snow]

here is today’s

[gray ridge]

Fearmonger win 😈

Actually it was one where I was the FT and checked my neighbours day 1 and got a yes, then spoke to a slayer and gave them my info, they shot one of my neighbours and it was, in fact, the demon

D1

[tardy wyvern]

I was the slayer in a TB game, the recluse walked up to me and claimed washerwoman who confirmed me. On day 2, I found out they were lying and they thought I was a minion trying to take a free bluff. I got put on the block and took a basically random slayer shot, and I shot the demon and won

[tacit fiber]

zombuul
get gambler bluff
claim to amnesiac
saint gets in hot water but claims saint + goblin so isn't executed, nobody is
I kill someone in the night
I wake up dead as well as them.
amnesiac, "I picked you and gambler and you died so..."
I go to everyone, "I must be confirmed bc there aren't any extra ways for night deaths, so either its amne bullshit or gambler and the saint isn't the saint
win day 2 to saint execution
Amnesiac ability was, "Each night*, choose a player and a character. If that player isn't that character, they die."

The one time it was amne bullshit

[zenith lotus]

i think it was my third longtext game on this server, i was the FT in bait and switch and i made it to f3 with no info on me at all. no good pings, no evil pings. i think there were a ton of worlds where i was the demon, but the thing was, no one believed them. i was apparently just reading too socially good for it. we ended up solving the game with my info

[ivory ridge]

people deciding to kill me was the worst part of it

because i'm like "guys it's literally the boomdandy can we not" and they call me evil for it 😭

the funniest part btw

was that even if evil vote for themselves

i'd still die

💀

[feral snow]

You mean the best part lol

[ivory ridge]

nuh uh

lost all hope in humanity fr fr

[zenith lotus]

"how did mizu know it was boomdandy?" "they MUST be the demon"

[ivory ridge]

TRUE

[sour harness]

I was the cannibal heretic and we got a fearmonger win because the psycho killed the philo heretic

[coarse fern]

Snake jumped the demon on the final day when the demon was pretty much hard solved (do NOT ask why) and then I got exactly half the votes on me. When I counter nominated, my entire evil team voted and then for some reason two more good players did so I won off the tie.

[next marlin]

1. Was the Vortox who got backwards solved as the No Dashii. I had a perfect unvortoxed-Dreamer bluff, but my neighbours had janky info and the Seamstress forgot their pings and thought they had a yes on me and my pretty-outed minion (they had a yes on me and the savant). I got 3 votes in a 7p in f3 while desperately trying to find an explanation other than "I'm the goddamn Vortox, you don't have a seam yes" for the events...then the Artist whose question cleared me from being the demon in non-Vortox worlds nominated my minion and we tied
2. Philo-Snake Charmer hijacked the demonhood going into f4. Claimed twin pair, both twins still alive, minion types solved for Cerenovus/Witch/Twin. Snakecharmed demon outs everything, but says there's a pithag (which there's been no evidence of all game) and confuses town enough the new demon only gets two votes. New demon counter-nominates so evil can rise up...and immediately gets witchkilled, losing the game. The ET was pithagged into the cere n2 and couldn't keep the game going

[foggy grotto]

SnV game where i was the FG who had been jumped to. twins were keeping the game alive, we went to fiddler. I was basically outted evil at this point and good team had hard solved, but for some reason since the fiddler had the ORIGINAL demon pick, towns brain broke and for some reason voted for the wrong fiddler choice and lost

[signal holly]

being confirmed by townsfolk count

[tacit fiber]

uhh say more??

[signal holly]

5p Teensy Brewing where the other four players claimed Saint, Recluse, Butler, and Recluse

[austere steppe]

SNV
Was evil twin to a dreamer in a non-vortox game. Yay for ST choosing winners from the start. I approached the ET and said I'd tell them an alive person who was not the demon each day if they gave me their dreamer info. Agreed. We play it out, both honouring the deal, both claim in town the truth of the deal. Then I know that a nodashi is made, the dreamer is now nodashi poisoned. The info by that point leaves only 2 demon candidates. Their info from that night says that the demon that is poisoning them is the Nodashi, my info says that someone else is a vortox. My info looks more likely to this group because 'Why would I dream someone as a vortox ever?'. GT gets executed before demon.

[fast anchor]

I like the mental image of the ST seeing you pull evil twin and thinking "oy, fuck that guy" and twinning you with the dreamer

[austere steppe]

A lad with my reputation does catch strays like that every so often.

[honest tide]

I marionetted someone as a harpy. It was final 5 and the good team basically knew the evil team except they didn’t know the demon and were missing a minion. I was getting voted on but the player right before me drops in mario panic, I drop too so we don’t get me on the block. They kill the “marionette”. We win with an all evil final 3 with a minion, a star passed demon, and an evil cult leader

The funniest part was that I never told them they were the marionette

Either that or the BMR game where I won as the “confirmed” “pacifist saved” lunatic (DA who timed coming out with me having protection) executing a dead evil goon in final 2.

[sharp violet]

The only game I actually distinctly remember:
Cerenovus in 7p S&V
N1 made my neighbor (the Flowergirl) mad as the Mathematician
D1 got immediately interrogated by the Philo-Dreamer about my role, I guessed wrong (they got Bluff #1, I picked Bluff #2 despite not knowing the bluffs), so now I'm known evil
Immediately go to talk to the player I make mad and kinda taunt them
Go talk to one of the Philo-Dreamer's neighbors - a real Dreamer who had dreamt somebody "correctly" (the No Dashii as their bluff or a Minion)
Don't get a chance to talk to my Demon until the very end of the day, we only have time to hurriedly tell each other our roles before heading back (No Dashii)
The Philo-Dreamer nominates the person I made mad saying that since I went to talk to them immediately after being interrogated, they must be the Demon
It goes through and they are executed
N2 I make the Philo-Dreamer's other neighbor mad as Dreamer for a triple Dreamer claim (the Philo-Dreamer didn't out as Philo until d2 for some reason), the Philo-Dreamer dies
D2 Immediately go talk to the person I made mad, they're flustered and I taunt them
Again barely get to talk to my Demon but I tell them who I made mad
The player I made mad gets nominated for the same reason, and they get executed
I don't remember if it was because of the nomination or because of madness - they tried to pass of their "real" Clockmaker info (a 1 - true number was a 2, they neighbored the No Dashii) as coming from the real Dreamer
N3 made the last remaining good player (who was inbetween me and the Demon) mad as Juggler, Dreamer died at night
D3 As it turns out, they had only made a joke juggle d1 and now had to explain why
Pressure gets put on them and before they get executed, they break madness coming out as Artist who never got to ask the question
Evil wins

[simple crystal]

D1 slayer shot on me - turned out there was a heretic, so we won

[versed junco]

A player suggested Vortox checking d1 as there was a Heretic on script
They were the Vortox
I was the Heretic

[spiral pollen]

3/18: What's a jinx you wish was in the game but isn't?
(We may have had this before but you can't search threads :))

My answer: No Dashii / Magician, the magician registers as a minion to the No Dashii

[random adder]

Summoner/Puzzlemaster: If the puzzledrunk player is chosen by the Summoner, they are no longer drunk but still register as drunk to the Puzzlemaster.

summoner/PM absolutely need a jinx, this feels like the fairest way to do it so that the PM still has the opportunity to make a correct guess even if their drunk player was summoned

also very funny for the PM to guess a player and then receive the same player as the answer from the ST

[feral snow]

Summoner/Goon

It can be exactly the same as every other summoner drunk jinx

[honest tide]

I feel like cannibal/moonchild or Klutz should have a butler/zealot like jinx

[random adder]

moonchild and klutz always need to claim when they die so a cannibal will know when they might need to claim one of those roles

no jinx required

[modern plume]

Vigormortis/Mastermind: If the Mastermind is killed by the Vigormortis, they keep their ability even if the Vigormortis is executed.

I know TPI's intention is that Vigormortis & Mastermind work together, but it's not clear at all that it does and a jinx would fully make it clear.

[feral snow]

RAW it doesn’t work

Like at all

[dense moat]

It would’ve been cool to see Temporary’s wish for General/Chambermaid

Namely, General going after Chambermaid and having the Math/Chamber jinx

Not sure if a Chambermaid alone justifies that impact, but it would be interesting

[shrewd cloud]

Lil Monsta / Saint + Goblin

I know TPI’s said their piece on this, but to me, the precedent from Evil Twin about ability wins is pretty clear. And it would be better to codify the interaction between Lil Monsta and these characters with a jinx instead of leaving win conditions and their priority unclear and conflicting

[supple dirge]

'If kazali and magician both start in play the st chooses which players become minions' I like that one

[foggy grotto]

Lil Monsta/DA

there’s a homebrew fabled called “A lil justice” that makes it so whoever is holding lil monsta can’t be protected 2 days in a row, even if it’s a different person, and i think that’s a good rule

[honest tide]

Great jinx

[lost thistle]

Amnesiac/Vortox where amne guesses can’t be vortoxed

[tardy wyvern]

This but poppygrower

but also magician works too

[karmic rose]

Lil Monsta/Psychopath: a Psychopath holding Lil' Monsta dies on tied roshambo results (or does not play roshambo at all, reader's choice of jinx)

[barren zenith]

Lleech/SW - SW becomes Lleech-host instead when the host dies.

[feral snow]

Lleech/SW - The Scarlet Woman ability only works when 6 or more players are alive

Or my joke answer

Yaggababble/Gossip - Shoot the Storyteller

[sour harness]

wdym joke

[lean isle]

It is a joke :D
You should actually shoot the script writer.

[pseudo fulcrum]

Change the Kazali-Choirboy jinx to be a Kazali-King jinx that says:
"The Kazali can not choose the King to become a Minion"

[minor pier]

I don't understand why some here consider Yagga/Gossip to be heresy, when Gossip is designed to be on a script with extremely variable night deaths in the first place. It's supposed to be hard to figure out, and having a Yagga say the phrase only once instead of a Shab hitting a player that can't die is about the same outcome ; except you can actually watch out for Yag phrases and build around having heard potential ones, instead of theorizing around the Demon having hit a dead/protected player.

[feral snow]

BMR has variable night deaths. If there are two deaths, either your gossip was true and the evil team got one kill, or the gossip was false and the evil team got two kills (not Pukka+DA for example). Even if it’s not super helpful in theory, you can build worlds around it.

Yaggababble is arbitrary night deaths. Either your gossip was true and the Yagga killed once, or your gossip was false and the Yagga killed twice. In both cases, the Yagga said their phrase 3 times. There is no information you can glean from that death

I hate that interaction and I can’t see a scenario where it works

[minor pier]

Yaggababble is absolutely not arbitrary night deaths. Provided it is run correctly, it has to take risks to set the death count to a given value, and considering it has to take at least a modicum of that to get 1kpn to start with, the upside is very much worth it.
Saying a Gossip can't get their information against Yaggababble because they aren't watching out for phrases when it's on script is like saying it can't get info on BMR because you can't figure out if the Demon sunk a kill or not (not to mention protection, etc)

[karmic rose]

you kinda need other ways to narrow things down -- being very consistent as an ST with how many deaths your yags tend to get, savant info, etc

I would play a gossip/yag script if I trusted the ST and knew what sorts of Yag kills they made

[pseudo fulcrum]

the difference is that sinking kills, protection and extra deaths on BMR are all solveable, it's pretty much impossible to solve for how many times the yag has said their phrase because that requires you to solve: who the yag is, what specific thing that they've said is their phrase and count/remember how many times they've said that phrase and this is all ignoring the yaggababble's "might"

[minor pier]

I really can't see how you 'solve' a Demon hitting a dead player, or an Innkeeper/TL protected player. You can't know who the Demon attacked in the first place. You just look at kill patterns and go for the most fitting ones, but there's a reason no TF can solve the game alone, and Gossip not being able to singlehandedly be an each day Artist is a feature, not a bug.
And in that sense, you don't 'solve' Yaggababble either. You just have to watch out for it, knowing that if they want to sneak in extra kills, they have to repeat themselves in some fashion.

[sour harness]

If you're counting phrases then you've already found the demon 😭

Yagga is a perfect confound for gossip. Everything on BMR is an imperfect confound for something, including gossip. Imperfect confounds are fine but there is no way to solve yagga vs gossip without Ctrl+F

[minor pier]

That's also an issue of text vs live Yag to be fair, not just a Gossip one.

[sour harness]

Or fully submitting yourself to a ST meta I guess???

[sour harness]

I mean the corollary is that longtext yagga gossip is fine, actually (probably. ask someone with more experience)

[minor pier]

But Gossip doesn't need to be fully solvable to be useful. It's not meant to be an each day Artist. It existing is already pressure on the Yagg to say the phrase more, which is a problem for them.

[sour harness]

Right but it's never solvable

[random adder]

^

[minor pier]

It's the only context I've run that pair in, in fact ^^'

[sour harness]

Ok cool

[random adder]

i think if your only experience with yagga gossip is longtext then this opinion makes sense

[sour harness]

I'm talking about live timeframes

[coarse fern]

Not really but I guess it works better

[minor pier]

I'd need a lot more experience with live Yaggababble to see what it's like there ; but making the phrase slightly harder than usual could be a decent balance axis to be able to enable Gossip against Yag better. Certainly up to players taste.

[fast anchor]

It's actually solvable in long text due to perfect recall - in live, phrase tracking is very much not a thing

Not unless it's super super obvious

[minor pier]

Balancing Yag phrases is hell in the first place, so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sour harness]

In live it's not so bad

Just something realistic

[zenith lotus]

yea, the only time i've seen a yagga phrase "solved" in a live format was actually the goblin

[ivory ridge]

just make the yagga phrase >sw

[minor pier]

I do remember a Patters game with a Yaggababble able to babble so, so much, without good picking up on it, so I could see things like Gossip being unfun there.

[feral snow]

I’ve done long text yag

It’s solvable

[sour harness]

Wait that's so funny

[minor pier]

But Yag is a Demon that needs kill modification on the script I feel, so unless you have it entirely on the evil side, TF that cause death will have to be on there, and would justify a harder phrase in a similar fashion.

[feral snow]

It does need kill modification

But gossip needs solvable kill mod

Omg Andrew?!

Hiii

[random adder]

and there are other types of kill mod (like gambler/acrobat) that are less egregiously unsolvable with yagga

[minor pier]

I've used those alongside it, too. But I don't see why those would be more solvable than Gossip against a Yag.

[foggy grotto]

yeah gossip gets info from analyzing the amount of kills based on how many there should be. Yagga kills are while technically not “arbitrary”, incredibly hard to detect and thus the gossip can’t use the amount of kills at night to solve their gossips

[random adder]

a gambler not dying is still useful info

[foggy grotto]

thus they’re just killing people without knowing what caused it

[nimble rose]

i think yagga gossip is kinda unsolvable and bad, but if the ST is very good and very clear about how they run kills, it can work

but there isnt a single ST I trust that much

[feral snow]

Andrew has run Yagga Gossip scripts many times

Particularly the long text game I referenced earlier

[nimble rose]

ignore the N2 kills that game I think we ran it fairly

[ivory ridge]

andrew? in my secret thing? more common than you think

[feral snow]

Having also ran that script and played in it, you just can’t solve it

Unless it’s long text where you can search phrases and find a phrase someone has never said outside the game

[nimble rose]

in my experience running it, i think its kinda fine for people to meta they arent both in play, but you gotta do it sometimes

they cant be 100% confident, but they can believe it if they so choose

[minor pier]

drunk/puzzledrunk gossip /jk

[ivory ridge]

no that's based af

that just make 2 blank token 🔥 which in a yagga gossip game is good actually

[minor pier]

It's certainly a way to partially avoid it being meta-able x)

I think my earliest Yagga script have Gossip, but the latest doesn't. Acrobat becoming a TF really helped give another option for that.

[feral snow]

I think everyone’s early Yagga script has gossip

The release script did

[fast anchor]

even TPI's

[minor pier]

Can't wait to see what we're missing from its home script really x)

[feral snow]

lol you think it has a home script

[minor pier]

Hey, one can hope !

[fast anchor]

yeah, with barrow-fog and the big barnacle :P

[minor pier]

T.T

[feral snow]

||The script where Al-Hadikhia is confirmed to be?||

[minor pier]

I avoid all speculation channels and spoilers when I can, to keep my homebrewing free from involuntary officials influences x)

[feral snow]

That’s valid

[minor pier]

This way when I make something they already have hinted at, I can claim I was a genius rather than a copycat /jk

[feral snow]

They don’t know

||that line is so unbelievably ironic||

[cold veldt]

BIG BARNACLE ATTACK!!!!!!!!!!!!

SPOILERS UPON YE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[austere steppe]

The Yagga is already arbitrary with itself, being a might ability. I find the fact that the gossip can be a non-bo with it rather irrelevant, gossips can be innkept or sailor picked or pukka all the time. I feel like this is the same as argument as puzzlemaster drunk landing on the mayor/ravenkeeper blah blah. Some grims be like that.

Now Sailor/DA being on lleach scripts, that gets me cockles warming.

[minor pier]

frantically scrolls through his scripts Phew, that's not one I'll have to fight against. I do have some execution survival with Lleech on there, but I mostly keep to things like Pacifist/TL, because with those you never need to double tap a player who survived execution. That's one thing I'll gladly leave to BMR.

[feral snow]

Uh.

You really need to double tap players with Lleech Tea Lady

What if the Tea Lady neighbors the host

[ivory ridge]

L

[minor pier]

Well, you need to double tap them if you believe them to be the host. But you don't have to double tap just in case it was a DA protection on evil or such shenanigans. It's more measured as an approach I guess - plus, it's still 2 other people confirmed if TL, including one as not the host, meaning you can try to meta host position based on the TL living for long or not.

(Also TL/Lleech cannot mess up a final 3 since it'll always be deactivated by that point. I really don't see it harming good more than the confirmation harms evil.)

[tacit fiber]

LM ET =/= LM Goblin/Saint

if the Good Twin is executed while holding LM, evil wins

if the Saint/Goblin is executed while holding LM, good wins

[sour harness]

Lleech effectively junks confirmation, science doesn't work if it can be junked. This isn't even accounting for the fact that a lleech can survive a double tap or that the lleech host volunteering to die is an unfun play pattern, lleech's core concept of not needing to kill the demon to win is already anti science

[minor pier]

Lleech is anti-"good falling on their sword", which unfortunately encompasses a lot more of botc than just pure science characters and is the big weak point of the Demon. It is unfun sometimes, but science characters aren't the only reason for that.
Unless you also avoid any kind of UT/Cannibal/Virgin/Outsiders that really want to be executed/players who want the social trust/etc on Lleech scripts, at some point you have to draw a line ( or it's Vortox or bust to encourage good to execute, and that's restrictive too).
My line happens to consider one or two other sources of exe survival on Lleech scripts fine. No need for the full BMR suite, that's overkill, no need for any at all even, but I won't shy away from a drop or two on occasion.

[shrewd cloud]

I wasn’t talking at all about twins holding the baby, I was talking about the precedent of ET still winning for evil if the good twin is executed after the Demon is already dead, in which case that is a tie that evil wins

LM and Goblin/Saint isn’t consistent with that, which is why I think it should just be jinxed

[modern plume]

You'd probably like Minuit a Fond la Caisse and other Minuit-like scripts. The main core engine is Lleech + Mastermind + Vortox, making any night with no deaths critical to the gameplay.

[pseudo fulcrum]

20/3: What's your most common ST mistake?

I think mine's gotta be forgetting to wake up the Cannibal

[feral snow]

Forgetting about reminder tokens I put in play specifically to remind me

I forget about pukka poison and minstrel nights far too often

[sour harness]

I keep forgetting to add shrouds when a player is excecuted

This leads to me giving the oracle the most useful 2 ever immediately after they died

[feral snow]

The worst single mistake I ever did was probably the chef 3 incident