because it's really easy to know if it's a pukka game
#secret thing
tardy wyvern
so is ur list comparing how much better they are on solo scripts rather than not
ivory ridge
so it's kinda a pain in the ass to put anywhere that isn't exactly bmr
tardy wyvern
so it's kinda a pain in the ass to put anywhere that isn't exactly bmr
this applies to all BMR demons to an extent imo
tardy wyvern
yeah
in that case I agree with your pukka placement but I still don't think it works solo very well
tardy wyvern
pukka needs bmr likes
gray ridge
They added the awnser to this for app players soo
- Seamstress/VI (7 times)
- Dreamer (6 times)
ivory ridge
this applies to all BMR demons to an extent imo
no, po shab arguably can goes long way with enough death mod i think
tardy wyvern
with yagga po shab you need something that can just straight up turn off deaths
bc otherwise po charges become obvious
ivory ridge
yeah that's fine
tardy wyvern
po and shab are definitely the two easiest to wokr with demons on bmr
also shab doesn't mind being outed as much as pukka since it can kill so quickly
tardy wyvern
yeah I think people are often not willing to sacrifice the two kills though
ivory ridge
also hear me out, ojo multi kill on some script
tardy wyvern
true
ivory ridge
but yeah
another thing is
this is kinda a weird thought
but pukka outed is worse than ojo po but what if you just built a script around it 🔥
put yeah, i can see an argument for pukka B
tardy wyvern
the way I interpreted the list was that I was just ranking it based on how much I would want to play a solo script with that as the demon
I wasn't considering how much better or worse it was than not solo
so I think if you're looking at it from that angle it makes sense to put pukka higher
foggy grotto
this applies to all BMR demons to an extent imo
lies
Shab and Po work fine off of BMR
tardy wyvern
it's definitely harder to get them to work than just having 1kpn demons
and I do agree that of the BMR demons shab and po are the most workable
foggy grotto
sure
acoustic chasm
i have to agree... too much in the game benefits really hard knowing evil are in a line
sour harness
6/17/31: what's a lesson you learned playing or running a game recently?
foggy grotto
6/17/31: what's a lesson you learned playing or running a game recently?
Beware the Barista
mostly just because i made a few bad barista calls in an SnV game i recently ran and then when trying to use barista to help the losing team accidentally swung the game so far to the other team winning
the players still mostly had fun i think but it was not a good game
next marlin
The info looked so incredibly vortoxed too
But not when it's mechconfirmed 100% true it isn't
foggy grotto
oh that’s painful
next marlin
6/17/31: what's a lesson you learned playing or running a game recently?
I need to start using .live voting in livetext
zenith lotus
you did see the incident earlier today vati, right? 😉
tacit fiber
did the opposite
next marlin
req how much 12p livetext have you run
tacit fiber
A bit
next marlin
I want to be able to start actually thinking about the game and pay literally any attention to a single thing that's going on the entire time and not spend 2 hours in a blind panic trying to think about votes 😭
zenith lotus
i suppose there is a difference between large fulls and small teensies
next marlin
because the experience of running 2+ minion livetext is "I have no idea what's going on at all and am completely blind to every single thing in this game because I'm in an all-consuming panic about votes"
which is a great way to be yelled at for balloonist info
tacit fiber
my experience with livetext live voting has always been negative
Today we just ended the game in a draw bc we just couldn’t deal with it
sour harness
??? really
next marlin
yeah I saw that game
zenith lotus
??? really
basically, a nom that wouldve gotten 3 votes (out of 5) on the lleech host ended up getting 0
next marlin
I don't like that it's harder to backread but I really need to just...not do things that make me miserable and are more stressful than the whole rest of the game combined
sour harness
basically, a nom that wouldve gotten 3 votes (out of 5) on the lleech host ended...
Ok but why
zenith lotus
miscommunication and technical difficulties
sour harness
Then you run the vote again so it's fair??
tacit fiber
Then you run the vote again so it's fair??
at that point the other vote had been run bc the st didn't see it
and the demon outed evil and the marionette
sour harness
Oh
foggy grotto
how does livetext voting work
sour harness
.live works almost exactly like in livevoice, but if you're not doing that, you go into the noms thread, the ST gives time for the accusation & defense, then votes open and players send their (sometimes conditional) votes in chat and the ST has to manually process them (usually either by sending a message with everyone's vote and live editing it though at this point I just react to their messages)
You'd be surprised how much overtalking there is considering it's a text format
tacit fiber
tbh
the "overtalking" aspect of livetext is kinda my favorite part?
bc I can still read everyone's messages
next marlin
The part that stresses me is trying to corral a million votes in like...30 seconds
If I take long enough to think, people will complain that the game is 3 hours long
feral snow
sounds like livevoice lol
next marlin
The manual processing makes it much tougher
tacit fiber
If I take long enough to think, people will complain that the game is 3 hours lo...
mm the solution is to just make the game 3 hours long and just say "livetext is long"
next marlin
Honestly yeah
tacit fiber
(iirc 8 person Omnibucket 1 was 2 hours long)
next marlin
I feel bad enough about the fact 12p is about 2.5 though
next marlin
(iirc 8 person Omnibucket 1 was 2 hours long)
3
It was 1:30am through 4:30am
Also it was 9p
tacit fiber
my point exactly :)
I think I ran Omnibucket 2 in like a normal amount of time
so like idr why that game actually took 3 hours but like it is what it is
young sonnet
(iirc 8 person Omnibucket 1 was 2 hours long)
What's Omnibucket?
coarse fern
Homebrew
young sonnet
Ahh
foggy grotto
isn’t NWC like
incredibly volatile
as in none of its characters really work outside of the home script
feral snow
have you ever played fishbucket
coarse fern
FYF is the same, omnibucket is nothing if not weird
foggy grotto
have you ever played fishbucket
it functions
next vault
the "overtalking" aspect of livetext is kinda my favorite part?
This is my least favourite things, let me talk about my points and PLEASE do not flood noms
lucid crag
lucid crag
6/17/31: what's a lesson you learned playing or running a game recently?
If the Good Wizard Wishes to do something that lets them break the game like seeing grim, don't monkeys paw it and make them alch widow, just make the cost that the grim is 50% right and there's also 2 demons now /j
Nah but moreso if a wizard wishes to change everyone's roles, probably just deny that wish or say "i'll allow that if you give up x"
Some players are fine with that wish but others may really not be for it
Clock/noble/amne klutz/saint/goon cere/gf pukka/legion
If you say you win you win
Pretty sik
fast anchor
16/2: You are now in Ravenswood Bluff as it's about to start a Demon hunt. How did you get here, what team are you on, and do you win?
next vault
What script are we talking about?
hollow oasis
Yes
next vault
TB: I'm the Virgin. I confirm a top 4 but I get killed soon after (by the demon).
BMR: I'm the Chambermaid, Dire is the Demon and we execute him very early.
SnV: I'm the starting Sweetheart who gets Fang Gu jumped and I bluffed Savant so well that people just trust me.
hollow oasis
I am legion, promoting the chipotle rice cult
hollow oasis
I mean
ivory ridge
16/2: You are now in Ravenswood Bluff as it's about to start a Demon hunt. How d...
I'm the Voudon who came to the town looking for the infamous Occultist, and instead somehow ended in a place where people still make up their info even if they didn't learn something new everyday.
Anyway I decided to just turn evil and kill a few people for fun, then voluntarily leave once I realized that this is BMR and nobody is learning jackshit 😔
sour harness
By Lynyrd Skynyrd?
sour harness
You have no whimsy
ivory ridge
canadian burrito chain are simply just better, you guys don't need to argue over chipotle vs qdoba
hollow oasis
I sold my whimsy
hollow oasis
canadian burrito chain are simply just better, you guys don't need to argue over...
I’m gonna say they both suck
sharp violet
16/2: You are now in Ravenswood Bluff as it's about to start a Demon hunt. How d...
I moved there a few months ago, still trying to fit in. I don't really know anyone there and mostly just spend my time at home either looking for a job or playing games. In game terms - I'm the Recluse. Fortunately for everyone, the Fortune Teller and Slayer happen to be good friends, and after the Fortune Teller gets a yes on 2 people night 1 (not me), the Slayer shoots one of them and randomly hits the Demon D1, ending the hunt. (Setup included Librarian, Chef, Fortune Teller, Undertaker, Ravenkeeper, Monk, Slayer, Recluse, Butler, Spy, Poisoner, Imp) After the Hunt, I get to know the Librarian (who had seen me as Recluse) better and we become good friends.
young sonnet
Qdoba is a chipotle sidegrade
Where I live most people prefer Qdoba
next marlin
I moved there a few months ago, still trying to fit in. I don't really know anyo...
I love how this keeps the fundamental law of botc that spoisoner games end in either 3 evils alive or a d1 slayer shot
next marlin
16/2: You are now in Ravenswood Bluff as it's about to start a Demon hunt. How d...
The Pit-Hag and I (the Cerenovus) try to manifest a god of death in Ravenswood Bluff because it's built on a fissure between realities, which makes it a better spot for unhinged demon cult rituals than most. We probably lose because my lore explanation for "why I don't die in the ST intro" is "I'm a minion whose demon died, and the new demon and I have an agreement"
sour harness
16/2: You are now in Ravenswood Bluff as it's about to start a Demon hunt. How d...
I get falsely announced as the vizier and lose to twins d1
manic sinew
16/2: You are now in Ravenswood Bluff as it's about to start a Demon hunt. How d...
Im a monk who fails to prevent even a single demon death and gets executed at final 5 because no one believes me
lucid crag
magic portal, good, yes if I live and no if I die regardless if demon dies
honest tide
2/17: Late one! An Al Hadikhia has picked you N1. You are good but do not know your role. Do you choose to live or die?
sour harness
Does nobody else know their role
coarse fern
Die
fast anchor
night one????
honest tide
Does nobody else know their role
It’s blind clock tower so no
Besides the Al had I suppose
karmic rose
2/19: (time isn't real)
what design space would you like to see explored? the idea can come from a homebrew that integrates well, a speculated character, a contest winner, or something totally new!
(spoiler tag anything that's speculated to be a future release)
tacit fiber
2/19: (time isn't real)
what design space would you like to see explored? the i...
Zombuul fake dying
Face your Fears explores it in a really interesting way
barren zenith
2/19: (time isn't real)
what design space would you like to see explored? the i...
Design space for homebrews?
karmic rose
I want to see a minion that's incentivized to be killed by their demon. There are minions that want to be executed (Goblin, Boomdandy) and demons that kill their minions (Vig), but there's no minion-sided incentive for a minion to die in the night
next marlin
Oh that's interesting
karmic rose
Design space for homebrews?
anything you want to see in clocktower more, the idea can come from homebrews or not
next marlin
The "minions dying at night" design space is, uh, hard enough (Vigor took like 200 drafts to end up with...that)
barren zenith
anything you want to see in clocktower more, the idea can come from homebrews or...
Outsider mod (specifically on a demon so I can add it to my script lol)
fresh shard
Evilsided resurrection
barren zenith
I think it's already been explored, but OM options are super limited when custom-building
lean isle
Players coming back to live could be interesting space to explore, but it is challenging to make that work.
next marlin
Yeah you need to make a resurrection role that doesn't just lead to town executing all the resurrectees
e.g. "resurrected and turn evil" doesn't work for that reason
barren zenith
A demon who chooses (minion count) player(s) to become evil but the evil players don't learn the demon was an idea I had which I thought would be interesting.
So like they can change their evil team every night
fresh shard
Oh yeah, definitely more safety net minions
acoustic chasm
that's talking from a script building Point of view
from a homebrew point of view
More medium strength info gathering townies
Balloonists/Fortune Tellers of the world
foggy grotto
2/19: (time isn't real)
what design space would you like to see explored? the i...
Nomination related abilities. there are some fun ones in the old piglix doc but there’s tons of design space related to noms that’s still unexplored
barren zenith
Balloonists/Fortune Tellers of the world
FT is not medium strength imo
acoustic chasm
I think Fortune Teller on a moving demon script is closer to that
than say flowergirl
next marlin
I was just thinking about this earlier -- imo FT is deceptively weak compared to its appearance
In a small game your info can just be uninterpretable
Same at mid player counts with demon mobility
acoustic chasm
Fortune Teller has a red Herring which means that any pings it gets can just be waved off
foggy grotto
once
acoustic chasm
Its such lovely beginner friendly design
foggy grotto
isolate your red herring guys!!!!
next marlin
I've run tb games where a fully sober FT with entirely true info received a yes on the entire grim
acoustic chasm
sure
next marlin
Including their prior no
next marlin
But yeah on that note: demonfinders! They're such a tricky but interesting design space because the counter to the thing they do being so strong is that they all have to do it in bizarre ways
acoustic chasm
To conclude 'this player is good or the Demon'
next marlin
The narrow-definition demonfinders we have right now are Fortune Teller (most flexible option but wants some demon mobility), Flowergirl (cringe), Exorcist (too busted off BMR), and Snake Charmer (Snake Charmer)
acoustic chasm
i mean I'm currently trying to work on a homebrew which is all about info reversal
It's v difficult
yes yes i know
karmic rose
Yeah you need to make a resurrection role that doesn't just lead to town executi...
Or some evil-sided resurrection role that pairs with existing resurrections! much like how DA and every execution survival on BMR need each other
karmic rose
I want to see a minion that's incentivized to be killed by their demon. There ar...
this makes the demon much more of a glass cannon, but the two ideas that come to mind would be some triggerable xaan night or else some significant game acceleration
foggy grotto
the fortune teller when i have a FG Imp LM Scarlet Woman Barber Pithag script
next marlin
evil could use some help I think, have you considered poisoner
next marlin
It's balanced if you barista sober the puzzlemaster
acoustic chasm
I don't like this script tbh
I think it needs some outsider mod
Have you considered Xaan?
foggy grotto
Have you considered Xaan?
sure but i’ll also throw on sentinel
barren zenith
the fortune teller when i have a FG Imp LM Scarlet Woman Barber Pithag script
Hatter too!
tardy wyvern
dont forget to put marionette so people who get correct info can be gaslit into thinking its wrong
next marlin
this makes the demon much more of a glass cannon, but the two ideas that come to...
I think it has to be a droisoning role but I'm having trouble thinking of what droison it works with
I seem to be landing at "widow but strictly worse"
zenith lotus
Hatter too!
make sure its specifically chaos hatter
karmic rose
Yeah, I think it would want to be xaan horizontal droison and not widow/sweetheart
barren zenith
make sure its specifically chaos hatter
Normal hatter? What's that?!
next marlin
Horizontal droison is paradoxically very weak on an evil nightkills role
Because it's so much easier to solve for
acoustic chasm
i don't get chaos hatter
next marlin
And hyperspecialized evil nightkillers of this kind need subterfuge
karmic rose
the other option would be, on a BMR-style script, allowing the demon extra kills for the next N nights
next marlin
Yeah something vaguely penitent-like (except retaining the original ability) is an interesting space
(Penitent, from TBA)
karmic rose
I think it has to be a droisoning role but I'm having trouble thinking of what d...
maybe allowing the demon to misregister for the rest of the game?
that makes it much less of a glass cannon evil team
acoustic chasm
Husk (Minion) While you are dead, twice per game, during the night, choose a player: they die.
next marlin
maybe allowing the demon to misregister for the rest of the game?
Each night, you see the Grimoire, even if dead. If the Demon kills you, they might register as good and as a Townsfolk or Outsider.
Spy but the misreg is on the most useful evil to put the misreg on, at the consequence of your own life
next marlin
Needs to be a fairly soft 'might' so the game isn't fully unsolvable but it's a spy LM situation and good wins spy LM games
acoustic chasm
Its guarenteed extra kills
next marlin
love the minstrel
foggy grotto
love the minstrel
yeah it exists just to fuck over the exorcist and FT
acoustic chasm
add poppy grower so that Minions will never find the demon either
tardy wyvern
alright ive made peak
stormcaught FT
foggy grotto
add poppy grower so that Minions will never find the demon either
TRUE
acoustic chasm
Also wheres Goon
foggy grotto
acoustic chasm
ig goon and Recluse are similar
next marlin
Remove pm
foggy grotto
i think lleech is way funnier tho
acoustic chasm
so is drunk/PM
next marlin
Goon is much funnier on this script concept than pm
tardy wyvern
i think lleech is way funnier tho
lleech is so funny because it just invalidates every demon finder
foggy grotto
also even on a meme script like this i refuse to do +2 extra evils
acoustic chasm
no it has demon finding potential
so does bluffing goon
next marlin
no it has demon finding potential
See the problem is it usually has to find someone who's NOT the demon and that's unironically more helpful here than someone who is
acoustic chasm
Lil Monsta Minstrel 🔥
foggy grotto
i think this needs summoner
foggy grotto
tardy wyvern
summoner would be funny here but idk what you remove
acoustic chasm
Mblord Mlord
barren zenith
Average script
foggy grotto
oh true!!!!
i could swap out sailor and innkeeper?
i like the stupid droison tho
definitely sailor goes
barren zenith
Philo
foggy grotto
yeah fair
foggy grotto
acoustic chasm
excellent script
foggy grotto
absolute cinema
acoustic chasm
I especially adore how poorly Alsaahir works with 3 of the Demons and 3 of the Minions
I also adore how transforming a good player into a Summoner is an optimal N2 pit hag
no
it isn't
jinx
still it's a choice
acoustic chasm
Oh god
The jinx doesnt fix it
Yes
But the Good summoner can now turn themselves into an evil demon
if they so choose
barren zenith
I also adore how transforming a good player into a Summoner is an optimal N2 pit...
Why not an evil player?
foggy grotto
extra evil
acoustic chasm
could be an evil player
extra evil either way
but the good player will be on board 1 day earlier
foggy grotto
just noticed LM is literally illegal to be in play at B3 minions
that’s not grammar
whatever
karmic rose
perfect script design
barren zenith
just noticed LM is literally illegal to be in play at B3 minions
"literally"
barren zenith
Lol
ivory ridge
The "minions dying at night" design space is, uh, hard enough (Vigor took like 2...
real
i'd rather skinkulus snv
😔
next marlin
most normal mizu take
ivory ridge
most normal mizu take
you just hate whun and fimsy 😔
foggy grotto
what is fun and whimsical about skinculus
ivory ridge
what is fun and whimsical about skinculus
encouraging people to transition midgame
fit in the theme of transformation don't you think
character, alignment and now gender
foggy grotto
encouraging people to transition midgame
clocktower: the only game where transitioning mid game is an optimal play
ivory ridge
clocktower: the only game where transitioning mid game is an optimal play
i mean it's not call clocktower for nothing
sour harness
2/19: (time isn't real)
what design space would you like to see explored? the i...
Widow/ET volume minions
We need more
They're so cool because they become an important part of the bluffspace like any good character
I've made a couple and then paired them with a silent minion town needs to solve for :)
It's that whole "this player's alignment is intrinsically tied to the gamestate" thing y'all yap about with steward except it's actually placed right
Because it doesn't cost an entire townsfolk for a dynamic you find everywhere anyway
It works well with widow!! But ET is the other character we have rn at that volume and it plays out very differently
As mentioned I've been exploring that design space and this is prob my favorite example
ivory ridge
i feels like seeker is a lot quieter than widow/et
sour harness
Sure but if you don't then you just lose
acoustic chasm
But yes
sour harness
i feels like seeker is a lot quieter than widow/et
Socially yes, mechanically no
barren zenith
Which dead player?
acoustic chasm
They don't need a good player to push on them to be their ping
sour harness
At that point yeah
acoustic chasm
It's a neat idea though
sour harness
Which dead player?
Whoever learned the seeker
acoustic chasm
yeah so a good player can just play as normal
Maybe be a bit more certain its not a poisoner game
sour harness
I wanted no flavor text but that was taken already
barren zenith
So, good can just never win?
sour harness
Nah good can win by killing the seeker
ivory ridge
unless seeker die
acoustic chasm
That is true
sour harness
It's like ET
ivory ridge
seeker levi
acoustic chasm
Good can't win does change it
ivory ridge
my favorite demon
sour harness
So the prey needs to make sure the seeker is dead
barren zenith
Surely, without the phrase "while you live", it's a tad unclear?
sour harness
Isn't that implicit in all abilities
foggy grotto
unless it says “even while dead” it kinda is
acoustic chasm
not the rule
foggy grotto
yeah but that’s the exception
acoustic chasm
ye
foggy grotto
oh we’re agreeing
foggy grotto
power of the reply button
sour harness
Gasp
foggy grotto
i mean have you ever seen us in the same room
acoustic chasm
i haven't
ivory ridge
"bluffable" my dear it appears brainrot have gotten to you
sour harness
Oh I know
sour harness
That was fully intentional
ivory ridge
but both are evil?\
acoustic chasm
if you know what I'm saying
sour harness
Vizier is bluffable if the script is built for vizier to not suck
ivory ridge
i just lost a vizier game
acoustic chasm
oh
acoustic chasm
as the vizier
foggy grotto
yeah it’s pretty weak
ivory ridge
you know what, i got my secret thing answer
ivory ridge
2/19: (time isn't real)
what design space would you like to see explored? the i...
a minion worse than vizier
acoustic chasm
hm
sour harness
Just add alch and Boffin
acoustic chasm
but have you considered
next marlin
a minion worse than vizier
finally, 33%
acoustic chasm
Putting the Cult Leader next to a Vizier
sour harness
TRUE
ivory ridge
finally, 33%
"On your first day, everyone dies except for 3. After a 10 seconds count down, the living player with the most vote's team win the game"
sour harness
I feel like that would have a lower winrate than 33%
acoustic chasm
It does say a lot about the Vizier that one of the better ways to play it is to never use your ability
ivory ridge
I feel like that would have a lower winrate than 33%
why 😭
sour harness
Good has info
acoustic chasm
social trust
sour harness
Yeah
ivory ridge
how can good have info when everyone die the moment the game started and you have 10 seconds
acoustic chasm
maybe the demon just happens to be that player who cannot lie when put on the spot
ivory ridge
foggy grotto
guys vizier is balanced just put ET and saint on the script
acoustic chasm
Just put Fearmonger on and remove the Jinx
sour harness
how can good have info when everyone die the moment the game started and you hav...
Night 1 exists
ivory ridge
Night 1 exists
yeah but do you think you can out that info in a 12 players game before 10 seconds end?
foggy grotto
yes
acoustic chasm
you know
sour harness
Yeah
foggy grotto
also just peek at the grim smh skill issue
sour harness
Just yell
acoustic chasm
The extra evils we have
sour harness
Kenoboi when is app bmr happening
acoustic chasm
Make the game unbalanced
foggy grotto
when i get minion tier again
fast anchor
The narrow-definition demonfinders we have right now are Fortune Teller (most fl...
the conspicuous chambermaid:
foggy grotto
i stopped paying for it because it’s not the summer anymore
acoustic chasm
It's actually simple
next marlin
when i get minion tier again
I have it! I can literally just join the lobby
sour harness
when i get minion tier again
Drag vati along idk
next marlin
Not rn it's 3am and I'm arguing with hystrex in homebrew
acoustic chasm
We solved it when TPI asked what to do with extra goods with 7-9 player games
next marlin
But yeah make a scheduled
sour harness
Not rn it's 3am and I'm arguing with hystrex in homebrew
Forgot we were arguing my bad
acoustic chasm
We simply need the 6th Character type
foggy grotto
can you make a scheduled app game
acoustic chasm
minion-outsiders
foggy grotto
is that a thing
acoustic chasm
Minsiders
fast anchor
minion-outsiders
so, thralls?
sour harness
minion-outsiders
THRALLS
acoustic chasm
the Vizier is the first Minsider
next marlin
the conspicuous chambermaid:
Chambermaid is hard for me to think about but I feel like "broader-definition demonfinder"
next marlin
can you make a scheduled app game
yeah you can do them in #event-listings I've done it
acoustic chasm
It actively hurts to be the Vizier
fast anchor
Chambermaid is hard for me to think about but I feel like "broader-definition de...
the chambermaid tells you who the demon is not, so you can find who the demon is 
acoustic chasm
Minsider
ivory ridge
Just yell
"guys I'm the stew- my invest- I dreamt miz- SEAMS NO ON- ard who ping on aut- is cere between keno- as the cannibal o- VATI AND AX-"
that's what the 10 seconds gonna be like
sour harness
I like how the steward felt their role was important enough to speak first
If autumn is in those f3 then go off i guess
next marlin
"guys I'm the stew- *my invest-* **I dreamt miz-** ***SEAMS NO ON-*** ard who pi...
Every time I've been in a seam no I've been the good half 😎
ivory ridge
axol you seeing this?
sour harness
Every time I've been in a seam no I've been the good half 😎
What about a klutz confirmed seam yes 👁️ 👁️
next marlin
every time I've been in a seam pick in a game axo was somehow connected to I've been the demon but we're ignoring that half of the precedent
fast anchor
axol you seeing this?
seeing what
ivory ridge
vati accused you of being evil
next marlin
"guys I'm the stew- *my invest-* **I dreamt miz-** ***SEAMS NO ON-*** ard who pi...
.
we're apparently in a seam no
acoustic chasm
"guys I'm the stew- *my invest-* **I dreamt miz-** ***SEAMS NO ON-*** ard who pi...
this is making me think
What would an actual game between the secret thing players be like?
its kinda funny but i have no clue how most people here play
ivory ridge
wait i have the answer for some of this
next marlin
this is about 10% of livetexts and also it's going to be kenoboi's appgame
lean isle
It'd certainly be a peak game.
ivory ridge
there's this grim where i ask people to choose their fishbucket pick
idk how it's gonna play out though
sour harness
Secret thing game where we play across all formats
lean isle
No idea how most people here play though.
next marlin
there's this grim where i ask people to choose their fishbucket pick
oh yeah that was the one where you had people choose roles for someone else
ivory ridge
yuh
next marlin
and somehow, across 2 different grims, the respective High Priestesses were Kenoboi and Requiem
ivory ridge
tbf kenoboi doesn't have to worry about hp ping in my grim
always get sent to a minion
beside d1 which i'll send to proxi
next marlin
Oh that's good everyone should point to me then so my team wins the game
next marlin
"On your first day, everyone dies except for 3. After a 10 seconds count down, t...
this is fiddler style pointing not boomdandy style
ivory ridge
this is fiddler style pointing not boomdandy style
yeah because i want to make a 33% wr minion
boomdandy is a real minion minion for a reason
foggy grotto
there's this grim where i ask people to choose their fishbucket pick
I LOVE WHALEBUCKET DRAFT
ivory ridge
she :wail: on my buck till i'm 
karmic rose
oh! I also want more "push your luck" characters
Philo and courtier often have optimal plays on like n1/2, even though both are theoretically rewarded for knowing the gamestate
tacit fiber
Old Boomdandy itself was a thrall
thrall?
shrewd cloud
Iirc it’s basically a term for Minions that can be detrimental to evil? Which old Boomdandy lowkey was lol since it gave good so much time to solve the game after the explosion
pseudo fulcrum
2/19: (time isn't real)
what design space would you like to see explored? the i...
There's more that can be done with bluffs, Steven has said "If there's something you think you know for sure, there's a character that means that you don't know that for sure" so I wouldn't be surprised if more bluff related characters show up eventually
gray ridge
2/19: (time isn't real)
what design space would you like to see explored? the i...
Madness demon
austere steppe
I'd find butler so much more interesting ST chose who the master was for the butler.
austere steppe
I find it a lifeless role as is.
There are some serious butler stans, I feel its just a contrarian position. Its functionally a blank token as is.
lucid crag
2/19: (time isn't real)
what design space would you like to see explored? the i...
Demons that don't kill or are incentivized not to, po riot leviathan etc.
lucid crag
I want to see a minion that's incentivized to be killed by their demon. There ar...
made a homebrew zombie minion that poisons both tf neighbors when night killed
lucid crag
Evilsided resurrection
and can revive
lean isle
Demons that don't kill or are incentivized not to, po riot leviathan etc.
So true, timer Demons are peak.
lucid crag
I want to see a minion that's incentivized to be killed by their demon. There ar...
I want to see a minion that's incentivized to kill their demon. There are minions that want to kill Townsfolk (Psychopath, Witch) and minions that kill outsiders (GF), but there's no minion-sided incentive for a demon to die in the night. smh
ivory ridge
scarlet woman?
lucid crag
scarlet woman?
nah nah I want the minion to make the choice to kill their demon not the demon
||This was a joke btw||
||Assassin already accomplishes this after every snakecharming||
gray ridge
Demons that don't kill or are incentivized not to, po riot leviathan etc.
Yeah I kinda wish we had more characters like po
honest tide
I think some demon that makes people mad about something would be interesting
honest tide
There are some serious butler stans, I feel its just a contrarian position. Its ...
Idk I love the social pressure it causes. I find it much more interesting than saint or recluse where you usually are just like “hey avoid me. My ability sucks for you”. It’s more like “I’ve chosen who I’m with today, I’ll reevaluate after”
Although I often look at outsiders from a bluffing perspective and you kinda need to play it in a certain way for it to have that kind of effect
patent elbow
Demons that don't kill or are incentivized not to, po riot leviathan etc.
It’s honestly such a cool design choice
Wish there were more official characters that used it
But I’ve made a few home brew demons cause I like the idea so much
honest tide
I think something like “If you choose a dead player you gain their ability until dusk” would be interesting
patent elbow
Ooo yeah
modern plume
I am working on a document in response to the original HP argument, especially given my numerous problems with Emma's HP as well as the arguments they put forward in there.
modern plume
I am amused by the 👀 eyes emojis now on my statement there
next marlin
I'm looking forward to seeing it
(I think my position is probably intermediate between what I glean of the two)
sour harness
Mine is prob much closer to Emma's but like I still really wanna see this
cloud plover
I am working on a document in response to the original HP argument, especially g...
Emma's HP?
I don't know a lot about HP (because I can't process social information well lol) but I'd be very curious how this turns out
barren zenith
Emma's HP?
I think it's pinned somewhere
fast anchor
21/2: You're playing your favorite Kazali script (not Fishbucket or derivatives) and you draw the Demon token in a 15-player game. What script are you playing, and which players in this thread are you choosing as which minions?
ivory ridge
21/2: You're playing your favorite Kazali script (not Fishbucket or derivatives)...
Catfishing
choose you as pit hag and hystrex as summoner
then we push on vati and squall
next marlin
I fully cannot fit a Kazali onto Canadian Catfishing. There aren't enough demon slots
alpine silo
someone make me the vizier thats my only request
next marlin
21/2: You're playing your favorite Kazali script (not Fishbucket or derivatives)...
anyway you're the widow
ivory ridge
I fully cannot fit a Kazali onto Canadian Catfishing. There aren't enough demon ...
send the script again
next marlin
#custom-script-discussion message
ivory ridge
smh
feral snow
Clockwork Cyborg. Vati is the Cerenovus, Axolator as Widow, and Amy as the Scarlet Woman
next marlin
anyway you're the widow
Req is the cere because she consistently cooks as it and it frames Dire
Hystrex is the witch because he keeps complaining that not getting 2 million witchkills is a skill issue and I want to see the fruits of this labour. I'd actually rather make him godfather in a 15p but the problem is I am only ever negative outsider mod evil roles, it's a thing, I have a 100% rate of picking only outsiders as Kazali
I'm just hoping the one outsider I didn't pick was the plague doctor (probably Stick)
I would pick stick but I think she'd object even more to being the widow
sour harness
choose you as pit hag and hystrex as summoner
LETS GOOOOOOOOOO
sour harness
21/2: You're playing your favorite Kazali script (not Fishbucket or derivatives)...
Vati widow or cerenovus (whichever I'm feeling at the moment) and you as the scarlet
Oh I get 3
sour harness
On it (the numbers don't even work)
next marlin
cc is intended to be bagbuilt with +2 outsiders in a 3 minion game and I seem to end up as "negative outsider mod evil" literally any context where it's possible
sour harness
Assuming both mizu and squall are playing I want at least one evil but I'm not sure who hmmmmm
next marlin
can't wait to roll gf-1 in kenoboi app bmr
sour harness
I think I want squall to mess with mizu
Actually yeah I'm confident in that, 3 of the games I've logged had "mizu why" as their notes and I was good in all of them
Vati do you want cere or widow
next marlin
widow
sharp violet
Also Clockwork Cyborg. Axo as the Cere, Kenoboi as the Godfather, and Autumn as the Scarlet Woman
next marlin
I'm gonna make the best savant bluff of all time (and lose because I was too confirmed)
sour harness
It's ok I'll night kill you
sour harness
Actually I changed my mind I want axo to be good
She's really good at the game, which is exactly why
I want her to tunnel
Hmmmmmmm
Req do you wanna be the witch
fast anchor
better answer my own question: It Comes At Night, with
Quilava Spy
Bhamber OG
Kenoboi Poisoner
I'd select Vati, but he's not playing this game because it's a Harpy script
and then i bluff harpymadness the whole game and lose because bhamber was the barber and my only way out of being the demon
Mizu is the Politician who plays for evil and wins with good
next marlin
better answer my own question: It Comes At Night, with
Quilava Spy
Bhamber OG
K...
Actually I'm not playing it because ICAN above 1 minion is always spoisoner 😎
fast anchor
Actually I'm not playing it because ICAN above 1 minion is always spoisoner 😎
i've seen 1 two-minion spoisoner kazali game of this script with a sample size of like 4, how dare
(yes i've only run 1 non-kazali game of it comes at night what do you want from me)
anyway people love the harpy
ivory ridge
it what at night?
next marlin
anyway people love the harpy
issue of not being exactly like me
next marlin
it **what** at night?
Mizu no
fast anchor
what's zets's other kazali script?
next marlin
Back to Basics
fast anchor
can't find it but it's one that Vati would play I think
You get to be the Scarlet Woman
Hystrex DA
Requiem Poisoner
he better fucking cook with the da saves
ivory ridge
3 minion livetext is crazy
sour harness
CC
Vati widow
Req witch
Squall scarlet
Bluff ceremadness :)
ivory ridge
mizu you're the poli again
i'm 100% bluffing noble here i think
next marlin
anyway I can't pick hystrex because he's the steward and I need him to suffer (then he solves because his ping is the last good in f3)
ivory ridge
bluffing noble ping on a kazali script is super strong because you either get all good or all evil
sour harness
Req is the cere because she consistently cooks as it and it frames Dire
Hystrex ...
I'd be more than happy with either of em
sour harness
anyway I can't pick hystrex because he's the steward and I need him to suffer (t...
It's literally a spy imp script, I'm sorry but I'm fully ignoring my token
fast anchor
you kill your ping and lose, even better
sour harness
So just make me a non scarlet Minion
next marlin
I'd be more than happy with either of em
I'd rather gf if I weren't exactly the guy who's so unable to add or just-not-remove outsiders that every game I've rolled baron has been reracked for the ST forgetting to add outsiders, but I know, beyond any shadow of a doubt, that the post-picks character distribution is gonna be 10/1/3/1
sour harness
Not 11/0/3/1?
next marlin
Not 11/0/3/1?
cc bagbuilding guidance
sour harness
One of those outsiders is gonna be a moonchild tho
next marlin
anyway the last outsider standing is the plague doctor so whichever of you reads least socially horrifying can be the pd-scarlet
sour harness
And by one of I mean the only one left
sour harness
anyway the last outsider standing is the plague doctor so whichever of you reads...
Anyone but me pls
next marlin
which I'm gonna need after I get executed by the banshee I killed on purpose
fast anchor
anyway the last outsider standing is the plague doctor so whichever of you reads...
mfw the ST gains the PD-godfather ability to get an extra kill
lean isle
So real
ivory ridge
pd with quiet minion is such a scary experience
lean isle
It is.
ivory ridge
i think loud pd is a much more interesting outsider 😔 esp if the evil team communicate with the st
barren zenith
21/2: You're playing your favorite Kazali script (not Fishbucket or derivatives)...
Clockwork Cyborg
Vati as the Widow
Autumn as the Cerenovus
Proxi as the Scarlet Woman
fast anchor
oooh proxi sw goes hard
also I like how I'm the only one to not have CC as my favorite Kazali script 🙈
next marlin
it's kazali's homescript
barren zenith
also I like how I'm the only one to not have CC as my favorite Kazali script 🙈
(jk)
lean isle
It's literally the only Kazali script that comes to my mind, I have pretty much no experience with Kazali.
(pretty much because longtext)
barren zenith
Mathematician is probably the most powerful TF on the script 🔥
next marlin
longtext kazali sure is a technically legal thing, is my impression of it
next marlin
Mathematician is probably the most powerful TF on the script 🔥
probably General but math is just a general-like
barren zenith
probably General but math is just a general-like
Really?
I've got to start bag-building around that
next marlin
the maths keep getting picked hilariously often so I do need a bit larger a sample
barren zenith
It's probably the most difficult custom (that is good) to bag-build for
Of the ones I've ran anyways
As you don't know if there will be a widow
Also, kazalis can just like not choose the widow and get a free damsel win lol
next marlin
better answer my own question: It Comes At Night, with
Quilava Spy
Bhamber OG
K...
actually I would pick quilava widow but my understanding is he doesn't play live timeframes ever so it's too distant a dream
ebon idol
better answer my own question: It Comes At Night, with
Quilava Spy
Bhamber OG
K...
Pick myself as the poisoner and axolator as the organ grinder
fast anchor
what's stopping you from playing text? 👀
ebon idol
Pick myself as the poisoner and axolator as the organ grinder
Sorry I think I have to do it the other way around so she loses
😇
fast anchor
What did I do to you Hannah
ebon idol
My serious answer is I don’t like kazali and try not to play their scripts if I must, and I actually usually like picking ppl I know less 🙈
ebon idol
What did I do to you Hannah
I told you the gloves were off
After you insulted me during board games
😭
fast anchor
Yeah but I didn't think the gloves were off gloves were off
ebon idol
We’re beefing
fast anchor
alright then
next marlin
what's stopping you from playing text? 👀
I've pretty seriously considered it
I think the way I engage with things probably makes me more consistently able to participate in it than with live time formats where I get extremely into the idea of playing for a week in advance, then panic at the deadline
ebon idol
I've pretty seriously considered it
You should 🥳
next marlin
However I keep getting stopped by stuff like "the kind of scripts I like don't actually work in longtext"
ebon idol
That is very fair tbh
sour harness
My serious answer is I don’t like kazali and try not to play their scripts if I ...
GOOD ANSWER 🗣️🗣️🗣️
barren zenith
I've pretty seriously considered it
We'd love to have you in longtext! 
barren zenith
However I keep getting stopped by stuff like "the kind of scripts I like don't a...
Boozling, Pearly Gates and Word Around Town are very commonly played scripts in longtext fwiw
And all of the b3
sour harness
I played a longtext game and it wasn't my favorite but I'd be down to try again
Vati you should play bmr with me
We can play it in every format
next marlin
Be happy I agreed to one (1) bmr game
barren zenith
Boozling, Pearly Gates and Word Around Town are very commonly played scripts in ...
They basically all work in longtext (although the yaggababble should be given approximately a 2 word long phrase)
sour harness
Longtext bmr, livetext won't be a problem, app is happening (???), we can do a livevoice, uhhh come to the us for irl
next marlin
They basically all work in longtext (although the yaggababble should be given ap...
my impression was more like a 2 character long phrase at this point
sour harness
Be happy I agreed to one (1) bmr game
I am
next marlin
(from the Ballad of Stick and Babytalk)
sour harness
Yeah if I'm playing longtext I'm gonna pass on yaggababble
next marlin
GOOD ANSWER 🗣️🗣️🗣️
Don't make me insult -- uh. uhhhh. Actually I definitely have the worst favourite demons so I can't insult anyone else's
sour harness
Vigor is cool, kazali has cool properties but it also happens to be mildly toxic
next marlin
no it's the one that isn't a droison demon so it's definitionally the one that isn't toxic
barren zenith
I like kazali, but systematically picking the same people as your minions isn't fun for others.
sour harness
And occultist isn't a demon, however it needs to be mad about learning something new every day to not be executed. However, once per game, it can actually learn a fact!
ivory ridge
oh yagga is fun
next marlin
Vigor is cool, kazali has cool properties but it also happens to be mildly toxic
Vigor is like the coolest demon in the game. Is it functional as a role? Great question. Next question
supple dirge
oh yagga is fun
Is that the yagga phrase?
sour harness
Oh yeah also
barren zenith
Vigor is like the coolest demon in the game. Is it functional as a role? Great q...
I think it's functional on SnV and specifically with a DA on customs
sour harness
Vigor is like the coolest demon in the game. Is it functional as a role? Great q...
I randomly remembered a recent comment you made about vigor removing an outsider + outsiders making up for the extra good vote = questionable decision
But outsiders are also there to make up for the extra good voice
And vigor amplifies evil voices
lean isle
My experience with text Yaggababble was quite short.
Had to Barber swap away like N3 as I was getting cooked really quickly.
sour harness
So it's not that questionable
next marlin
I think my full response to this is gonna be another 5000 word wall of blog
ivory ridge
my experience with yaggababble is given the phrase "X is the demon"
anyway X got executed day 1
next marlin
But I don't think it breaks even or that outsiders themselves break even in the first place
lean isle
My experience with text Yaggababble was quite short.
Had to Barber swap away lik...
(not because of phrase being tracked or something, but because of 2 pieces of info pointing toward me)
sour harness
I think my full response to this is gonna be another 5000 word wall of blog
Do it
next marlin
Vigor also has reduced townsfolk counterplay due to the nature of its ability which is frustratingly antisynergistic on top of that
ivory ridge
I think my full response to this is gonna be another 5000 word wall of blog
go off king
ebon idol
GOOD ANSWER 🗣️🗣️🗣️
thank you i have objectively correct opinions on everything 😌
next marlin
go off king
I like that hystrex gets blocked and I just get muted
ebon idol
Boozling, Pearly Gates and Word Around Town are very commonly played scripts in ...
yeah if stuff like pearly gates is your style imo it works very well in text
ebon idol
It's on my todo list for STing eventually
ebon idol
It is the point yeah
next marlin
Longtext isn't a no but I think it's something I'll need to be pressganged into
next marlin
if you're the vizier in a typhon line, yes
ebon idol
🤢
lean isle
sour harness
Axo pressganged me to play longtext and I was just like "ok."
next marlin
(mizu was just the vizier in a typhon line in longtext)
ebon idol
(mizu was just the vizier in a typhon line in longtext)
honestly sounds like you need a better script and a better ST 🙈
sour harness
I can't abuse the fallacy of human reaction in longtext
barren zenith
Puzzlemaster with Vortox on Pearly gates is rly cool imo as I always automatically add drunk to my vortox scripts.
sour harness
Axo's running my homebrew in longtext tho so I can't be mad :)
ebon idol
Puzzle master vortox is underrated
Especially I love the dynamic with sentinel, because who cares if PM doesn't do anything, it doesn't need to do anything, it's presence is enough
sour harness
True
barren zenith
Self-drunked PM 🔥
sour harness
Sentinel justifying townsiders is really cool
next marlin
and we route back to kazali
barren zenith
It can also drunk the farmer, slayer, soldier and monk
ebon idol
I don't like dislike kazali due to the outsider mod I dislike it because I don't trust the large majority of ppl to make socially minded and healthy decisions
barren zenith
In a vortox game
ebon idol
it's why i'm a wizard, vizier, etc hater
sour harness
and we route back to kazali
LoT does it better idk what to say
ebon idol
LoT also does do it better imo
next marlin
yeah but I don't particularly like typhon because it's uninteresting in exactly the way vigor is interesting (them being polar opposites)
it's an extra evil that loses if it does anything with it
barren zenith
it's an extra evil that loses if it does anything with it
Tell that to #1280673118373023805
next marlin
I'm warming up to it a bit but it's inherently weird
next marlin
Tell that to <#1280673118373023805>
CS is a special case because Typhon/Yagga/death mod is brutal
ebon idol
I think those minions work better because of that, and also because like
if you have 3 of DA/Witch/Assassin proccing, good luck getting the headway to solve the game in time
sour harness
CC
Vati widow
Req witch
Squall scarlet
Bluff ceremadness :)
^
tacit fiber
yyayayay
Clockwork Cyborg
Vati Cerenovus
Axolator Scarlet Woman
Hystrex Widow
is my probable answer
next marlin
I like how I consistently default to cere
tacit fiber
you remind me of me
sour harness
Ur literally the cerenovus irl fr fr
tacit fiber
and I am amazing on Cerenovus
you also are Cerenovus bluffing Occultist bluffing Savant
sour harness
Have you considered that widow SW witch synergize better than cere
sour harness
Fair enough
next marlin
you also are Cerenovus bluffing Occultist bluffing Savant
I think I've dropped into the first layer of that particular mask a little more than I usually would in this server lately but people seem to still go along with it
tacit fiber
(CC seems to always have a banshee to counter the tpk)
sour harness
Because you're mad that you learn something new every gets shot
fast anchor
Clockwork Cyborg
Vati Cerenovus
Axolator Scarlet Woman
Hystrex Widow
Why are all of you making me the SW I'm gonna throw so hard
sour harness
Hey I changed my choice so you'd throw in the other direction!!
tacit fiber
Why are all of you making me the SW I'm gonna throw so hard
imma get executed on d1 either by dire or just "req is playing so evil rn >:("
sour harness
I can but I'd rather be a silly little guy like a widow
Or someone who can cook like a cere
Or both at once with a witch
I can take SW tho
next marlin
you're gonna get one witchkill and it's gonna be on dire the pixie tc who broke madness
sour harness
Did you really think I'd choose dire n1
next marlin
no you're getting it on like d4
sour harness
Did you really think I was living to d4
next marlin
Well you'd better because you got the pd scarlet
fast anchor
I have one trick as the Witch and that's choosing corpses and bluffing a better minion
sour harness
I claim TC d1, get axo to nom for science and then tunnel on her puzzledrunk ysk info, then pivot out of TC d2 because I'm in a triple claim with both frames
fast anchor
and I buy it hook line and sinker after pushing back on it for 0.1s
sour harness
Exactly :D
fast anchor
because surely the longtext players are the more likely ones to claim tc on d1 as a minion and pivot
next marlin
I claim TC d1, get axo to nom for science and then tunnel on her puzzledrunk ysk...
I picked the puzzlemaster and we know it
sour harness
Cere or widow
fast anchor
on mobile so can't make this meme but
Why is it that whenever pivots out of an inplay role to a random-ass bluff, it's always from one of you three?
Mathematician, Town Crier, Fisherman
If someone gives me math/fish on a custom (eg pearly gates) I am marking them as a Minion and getting them killed
sour harness
on mobile so can't make this meme but
> Why is it that whenever pivots out of ...
Me when I pivot from amne to Cannibal as a good player
next marlin
the fishermen were both good, funnily enough
sour harness
I'm legally obligated to bluff amne in a bare minimum of 50% of games I play where amne is on script
I usually aim higher than that tho
next marlin
I can't wait to run final nail at a higher count than 7 so I can stick every "role that isn't real" in the game in the bag
barren zenith
I can't wait to run final nail at a higher count than 7 so I can stick every "ro...
Final nail reference
sour harness
Idk I feel like there's gonna be some more references to nails
fast anchor
me when I run final nail at 15 and have to run HP General Savant Amne Pixie Mutant and Cere all in the same bag
lean isle
on mobile so can't make this meme but
> Why is it that whenever pivots out of ...
Me on my way to pivot into one of these :D
next marlin
me when I run final nail at 15 and have to run HP General Savant Amne Pixie Muta...
pre-in I'd like to make dylan mad as the amnesiac
fast anchor
wait, Proxi, have you played Pearly Gates yet
lean isle
I think I played once
barren zenith
me when I run final nail at 15 and have to run HP General Savant Amne Pixie Muta...
You're forgetting cerenovus, fisherman, puzzlemaster and juggler lol
fast anchor
Fisherman is ezpz
next marlin
she can't put in PM, I need to bluff it to sell fang gu
fast anchor
And Juggler isn't that much overhead
barren zenith
Savant, HP and general are the main ones imo
fast anchor
Fisherman is ezpz
"Get [Vat No Dashii bluffing PM] and [random "puzzledrunk" player] to talk"
(you are nd poisoned)
And then vati says he learned the recluse who dies to the slayer shot and
next marlin
I'm the cere or boffin in a no dashii game so I get executed in f3 after playing "puzzlemaster who got jumped" for several days
ebon idol
I think I played once
Saliban is running pearly gates, 2nd in queue 👀
lean isle
Let me check my future commitments
ebon idol
If anyone who doesn't want to play would want to just backpack in my ST thread I am usually pretty vocal in it 🙏
barren zenith
If anyone who doesn't want to play would want to just backpack in my ST thread I...
Are you playing the Pearly Gates longtext?
barren zenith
Nice, I'll backpack if that's alright with you
Cause I'm scared of STing while I'm in 2 games
ebon idol
Yeah I don't blame you lol
lean isle
Yep, it is fair.
My only other future game is Oops all Wizards (upd: as well as game I'll ST), so have pre-inned for Pearly Gates
ebon idol
also ngl I find it very funny pearly gates was my first script and the one I put the least effort in initially and it just, works. works well in fact lol
also playtesting tbf
(just as an aside I wouldn't comment on stuff like that out of game because it's very strong meta info)
barren zenith
Apologies
fast anchor
oh I am in kibitz
barren zenith
I'll just delete those messages rq
fast anchor
also ngl I find it very funny pearly gates was my first script and the one I put...
first script out of two
ok hannah
ebon idol
I have made more than two scripts??
fast anchor
Yeah that's the second one
next marlin
no
ebon idol
cannons, pearly gates, unfriendly invitations, nostrum (good idea bad execution), it's not really my script but technically edits to speedy nights (that script needs vortox I will die on that hill)
fast anchor
Oh I forgot about unfriendly invitations
ebon idol
unfriendly invitations can work
fast anchor
That one's a banger
ebon idol
I just need to like, playtest it and update it
fast anchor
the speedy fork doesn't count imo
ebon idol
it doesn't
fast anchor
and nostrum is a script the way Canadian catfishing is a script I think
next marlin
terrifying sentence
ebon idol
nostrum just like, needs feburary 2025 hannah to give it a little bit of love
because it is kinda crap
ebon idol
🍖 I think you need to be punted into-
fast anchor
(this one is the beef I don't think this)
fast anchor
🍖 ~~I think you need to be punted into-~~
and I said, "promise?"
omw to come back from f3con with several injuries
ebon idol
yeah no nostrum has legion and ojo I can't stand for this
fast anchor
wasn't legion the entire point
fast anchor
oh fuck that reminds me i need to run my legion script in longtext it'll go so well
barren zenith
I actually don't rly like legion. Other demons literally cannot push legion worlds
ebon idol
good luck getting 7+ socially minded players ⭐ have fun with the ticket you get added into by the end of the game
fast anchor
I actually don't rly like legion. Other demons literally cannot push legion worl...
you have to be careful but you absolutely can imo
barren zenith
Cause the "legion team" have voting power
next marlin
I actually don't rly like legion. Other demons literally cannot push legion worl...
just have all the good team be hopelessly paranoid people like me
ebon idol
that's called NWC
fast anchor
I've done it as the Vortox
like that's legit the Vortox wincon in poppyganda lmao
get a good player down the legion tunnel
next marlin
"hm, every legion world is mechanically impossible? I'll decrease my prior on legion to...70%"
next marlin
like that's legit the Vortox wincon in poppyganda lmao
Hmm this implies vortox as a demon is capable of winning games
barren zenith
like that's legit the Vortox wincon in poppyganda lmao
Could you elaborate?
Surely one player being tunneled on legion won't force a skipped execution
fast anchor
Could you elaborate?
Vortox kinda shits itself and dies on poppyganda because
gestures at PG/Vortox
motions wildly at the info suite on Poppyganda
So if you're the Vortox you basically have to take a goodie into the Legion tunnel to win on f3 in my experience
The win condition isn't "win with everyone building Vortox", it's "win because you've separately convinced enough of town they're your Marionette or a fellow goodie in Legion to rise up before it's too late"
It's terrifying but super fun if you can pull it off
barren zenith
Why wouldn't the other player just nominate you and win tho?
next marlin
Is there such a thing as a vortox script where the info landscape neither murders it mercilessly or is mercilessly murdered with no middle ground
fast anchor
Pearly Gates ngl
Half the town dies and the other half reverses its info
And Balloonist is there too
next marlin
from a "looking at tokens in a grim" pov vortox pearly gates looks super duper evilsided but I'm also thinking about it on live timeframes
barren zenith
I'll post Peraly Gates here rq
fast anchor
who hardsolves if people are convinced it's Vortox when it's Vortox
tacit fiber
me when I run final nail at 15 and have to run HP General Savant Amne Pixie Muta...
HP mentioned
next marlin
I'll post Peraly Gates here rq
it's in my scripts folder and I play around with grims for it a lot
karmic slate
Depending on when the RtC ends
wait where do I see this
barren zenith
barren zenith
wait where do I see this
#1334854502624526429
next marlin
from a "looking at tokens in a grim" pov vortox pearly gates looks super duper e...
and vortox spycluse is much meaner on a live timeframe
ebon idol
Pearly gates is evilsided in live
fast anchor
you have a math it's fine
ebon idol
But also, to make it not evil sided in live just, be a bit less firm with sentinel imo
it doesn't solve it but sentinel is explicitly meant as a balancing tool
fast anchor
tbh pearly gates is a bit evil sided even in text
karmic slate
<#1334854502624526429>
I'll pretend to know how to navigate it too lol
fast anchor
Hannah you remember that game I shared where the damsel got guessed in f3 as the last living good right
barren zenith
I'll pretend to know how to navigate it too lol
Just ask for kib
fast anchor
(it's also the one on the tumblr iirc)
ebon idol
Imp/ND/Vortox + SW/Spy + PM/Recluse/Mutant/Damsel is just, kinda brutal
which is the point
barren zenith
FT + vortox is weird?
ebon idol
How so?
fast anchor
they should get a no on the RH
ebon idol
I run it where red herring is seen as a no, I think that's RAF
fast anchor
that's word of Steven
barren zenith
Oh, is it
tacit fiber
eh
barren zenith
I never thought that was allowed
tacit fiber
it's been said differently by different tpi members iirc
barren zenith
Interesting
tacit fiber
imo it's scirpt dependent
barren zenith
If you run it like that, it's fun
fast anchor
I've never seen a script where it'd make more sense to give them a yes on the RH??
tacit fiber
RTTB
fast anchor
Doesn't have an FT
tacit fiber
but that's re: Vortox + Spy
fast anchor
Also you should absolutely fuck the Empath over with spy in rttb wtf
ebon idol
I think pearly gates honestly is less evil sided in theory mainly because most of the games I've run just get shit on in one way or another in practice
Witch go brrr
tacit fiber
Evin the creator of RTTB explicitly says not to
fast anchor
me when witch with no tc on pearly gates
fast anchor
Evin the creator of RTTB explicitly says not to
oh that's interesting then
tacit fiber
yah
fast anchor
rttb is good sided in my experience so allowing spy to do things helps balance it imo
tacit fiber
lemme check my rttb stats u might b right
barren zenith
Why do people track their games?
fast anchor
because their mental health doesn't suffer when they do ig?
lean isle
Fun
ebon idol
it gets boring writing down every game as a win 😌
fast anchor
I don't track because I already know I'm terrible at clocktower
and don't need the stats to rub it in lol
lean isle
Yeah, it also made me realize I'm terrible at drawing Minions.
tacit fiber
lemme check my rttb stats u might b right
21/33 of my RTTB games have been good wins
checks out
lol, lmao 25% evil winrate on RTTB
next marlin
I feel like my stats would just insult me lol
I never got into the habit of tracking played (as opposed to STed) games closely enough but I found it really reassuring when the app released player stats for a bit because a run of ~10 games in a single day as a very new player that I lost all of is way too prominent in my memory compared to how I actually do in this game
(in retrospect the STing of those games was unhealthily evilsided)
fast anchor
the app stats are funny because I barely play on the app
so, like, I've never had a repeat token there even though I know my most drawn is probably Slayer
barren zenith
so, like, I've never had a repeat token there even though I know my most drawn i...
Mine is flowergirl
I don't use the app, I just know it's flowergirl
lean isle
I kinda lost track of characters, mine is probably Chambermaid or smth. (I don't play app)
next marlin
I think it actually is clockmaker overall actually
because that includes games where I substituted for somebody which the app stats don't
tacit fiber
my actual top is Vortox at 17 and Imp at 15 (then Lunatic at 14 🙈)
gray ridge
mine are seamstress/VI/Dreamer
tacit fiber
Other people can enjoy things
nuhuh only me
sour harness
modern plume
better answer my own question: It Comes At Night, with
Quilava Spy
Bhamber OG
K...
lol, why me as Spy?
foggy grotto
better answer my own question: It Comes At Night, with
Quilava Spy
Bhamber OG
K...
jokes on you i would never be caught playing an organ grinder script
coarse fern
I don’t think there are enough livetext players here to answer that question
gusty bear
CC, Vati can be Cere, Hystrex can be Godfather and Axo can be the Witch