secret thing

[fast anchor]

It can help solve for the existence of a poisoner though which is neat

[foggy grotto]

true

[feral snow]

Yeah I much prefer it with SnV likes

No Dashii, Vortox pair well with it

[fast anchor]

I much prefer it with BMRlikes

[feral snow]

That’s also interesting

[fast anchor]

I don't like "math as solving the demon type and nothing else" because I think it's lame as fuck

[foggy grotto]

the humble minstrel:

[fast anchor]

I like my mathematicians puzzling through their sober 5 and solving off it

as God intended

[foggy grotto]

whats the highest sober math number youve seen on SnV

[feral snow]

In real life or theoretically

[foggy grotto]

irl

[fast anchor]

2

it was a pithag change and a ND-poisoned snake hitting the demon iirc

[tardy wyvern]

i think ive only ever seen 1s

[fast anchor]

and the math tunneled on the ND being across the board and the new Demon bluffing Oracle being "confirmed by math info"

[tardy wyvern]

i do agree that math is infinitely more fun on snv than customs tbh

[fast anchor]

(they didn't realize the PH pinged the math 😭)

[next marlin]

2, but it was on n1

[fast anchor]

what, was the dashii between the clock and seamstress?

[next marlin]

clock and dreamer who picked them

[fast anchor]

ah and you couldn't show dashii

[next marlin]

it was a game I was speccing but yeah the STs showed witch

also the good twin juggler got a legit 5

[fast anchor]

and then evil won somehow anyway right

[next marlin]

they did not

[fast anchor]

sad!

idk, math on s&v just doesn't feel as fun to me

"1 on n1 --> game solved we found the dashii" is incredibly unfun to me

it's not particularly fun for the math who solo solves and it's not fun for the evil team who couldn't do much about it other than frame the math and fail when they die by witchcurse

[next marlin]

most helpful witch

[dense moat]

I dont see Courtier often, but I can't think of a really good script where it wrks that isnt just BMR or BMR +1, so to speak

It works with Boffin, I suppose. But it still needs BMR stuff

(also please never put Courtier on a Lord of Typhon script. I've seen this happen 💀 )

[fast anchor]

at least with math on customs it narrows worlds a ton more

a math 0 on n1 can genuinely solve sometimes

idk, i think the play pattern and what your info means is usually more interesting on customs

[next marlin]

best claims for d1 self-cursing witch:

1. math 1
2. sweetheart in base 0
3. clock with unhinged number

[fast anchor]

what about "seamstress no on two good players"?

oh no they backsolve it as vortox don't they

[next marlin]

also fun but kind of a noble ping between the set of you

and yeah that

seam no is more what you claim when you get vigorkilled and you know town is going to immediately sus an outsider claim but assume a dreamer/savant/snakecharmer/seamstress is just telling the truth

there's a nuance I think, clock is a good self-destructive-witch claim because you don't need to look like you want to survive d1

and because a clock getting witchkilled is so insanely useful for town

and if there are like 3 different clock claims then the witchkilled one is probably the least sus

[barren zenith]

I like mathematician on extension cord 🤷

No one can ever be bothered to solve math numbers which sort of balances it out in a way

[fast anchor]

it's fun there with monk/soldier and spy/damsel

since it plays into math being able to confirm players by pinging when they do a thing™️

hey maybe i should make an axowall of text on mathematician

[barren zenith]

Do jinxes ping the mathematician?

[fast anchor]

ST discretion, but I think it's most fun if Spy/Damsel does each night the living Damsel hasn't sent out their ping (the Damsel is malfunctioning because Minions don't know they're in play)

it makes the most sense to me given how the Math works

[next marlin]

math +1 when someone is ceremad as the goblin 🔥

[fast anchor]

i have a lot of axowalls of text to write

• like 5 character analyses
• praise be to standard paradox order
• scriptaday on friday
• idk probably something about scriptbuilding i need to tap into that

yeah, the problem is articulating my Ojo thoughts

because if I say "give the evil team the lil' monsta kill on a miss" I sound deranged and that's something I need to explain in a way that doesn't make me sound as deranged

i swear this is a concept that makes sense

[next marlin]

no I see the vision

"the equivalent kill to what LM or yagga would make, i.e. something decent but not strictly optimal"?

[gusty bear]

i think lm and yagga kills are not equivalent

[next marlin]

(putting aside that this isn't quite what either of those are either)

[barren zenith]

The ojo shouldn't be punished for not knowing the grim

[next marlin]

anyway I'm up to the spirit of ivory bit in the overlong post about +evils

so publication soon™️

[gusty bear]

is that posted anywhere

[tardy wyvern]

what is standard paradox order

[gusty bear]

paradox has a custom order he uses for scripts

[feral snow]

It’s like if SAO was good

Choirboy last

[gusty bear]

isn't it athiest last?

[feral snow]

That’s SAO

[tardy wyvern]

I was mainly asking "what is the actual order"

[feral snow]

I know nothing about SPO I was making that up

[tardy wyvern]

Oh ok

[fast anchor]

Something that keeps the game going, is balanced, and is fun

You understand

It's a kill that moves the game along and doesn't swing the game too hard

[fast anchor]

I think the process people ought to run them with is about the same, just the bar for balancing things out is lower in LM

if a Yaggababble wants me to kill a certain few players I'm much more likely to just do it

whereas if a LM team has the widow grim I'm not giving them the best kills

(I wouldn't for a yaggababble either, tbf - but they can get away with overall stronger kills imo)

[gusty bear]

my take -> yagga choice should mostly control kills, whilst lm should influence what you were already planning

[barren zenith]

Yaggababble/LM scripts should probably have 1 of assassin/godfather tho

Imo

To give them more agency

[sour harness]

Babytalk reference no way

[ivory ridge]

legion

half of 108 is a base script right?

[tacit fiber]

Chambermaid

[ivory ridge]

oh right

[tardy wyvern]

vigormortis would probably be my choice if i enjoyed playing demon

[ivory ridge]

the thing with vigormortis in custom is

-1 outsider fucking suck

the minion suite probably suck

you also can't move and there's probably a sober empath/ft

and wizard is banned

[next marlin]

vigor/cere/da/og/boffin-sailor script

but yeah people love putting vigor on scripts where it's excruciatingly questionable

[ivory ridge]

boffin sailor is so fucked

don't do that 😭

[next marlin]

the worse problem is people sometimes make decent minion suites anyway and go "well, this is probably too powerful, so let's put in an oracle, pixie-oracle, philo-oracle, and canni-oracle"

and it's like dark triad or something so there's no good explanation for too high an oracle number

[ivory ridge]

you solve it by putting a recluse in, duh

[next marlin]

snv already has half this problem lmao

true, you needed to vigorkill the recluse anyway

[ivory ridge]

oracle 2 before f3 is crazy

oh you know what's an ass move

oracle recluse next to a philosopher who philo drunk someone

[next marlin]

the ceremad oracle learning a 2 in a 2 minion game:

well it could still be fang gu technically

[ivory ridge]

wait does philo or the philo target goes first

[next marlin]

ambiguous but usually the philo gets run first

[feral snow]

it's the storyteller's choice always

[next marlin]

(so you can have double snakecharms)

[sour harness]

I fear the jargon has gone too far (and I love it)

[next marlin]

Other people started using it recently so it's now a real term

[ivory ridge]

vatirus

[gusty bear]

no, the real term is feline immunodeficiency virus

[fast anchor]

you just have to run it good tbh

give them a couple of drunkenings early game and then shut the ability off

[ivory ridge]

right but doesn't boffin sailor vigor

can't kill

[fast anchor]

boffin-innkeeper is the more heinous one

[ivory ridge]

if boffin is vigor killed

[fast anchor]

you have not read the boffin writeup

[ivory ridge]

send

[fast anchor]

also, again, just turn the ability off

drunk the vigor

[fast anchor]

it is on the wiki smile

[ivory ridge]

but then vigor can't kill

[fast anchor]

only drunks the sailora bility

not the vigor

[ivory ridge]

oh

[fast anchor]

at least now we know something that isn't on canadian catfishing because otherwise mizu would know

[ivory ridge]

dies

[gusty bear]

do we have enough info to reverse engineer ccatfishing yet?

[next marlin]

Boffin itself is on Canadian Catfishing though

[next marlin]

The problem is this should still have a pithag somewhere but I can't take any of the minions off

[fast anchor]

just take off an outsider or tf?

[gusty bear]

take off amnesiac

[fast anchor]

it need not be a functional script

[next marlin]

amnesiac is absolutely on canadian catfishing

it's like, the one role definitively on it

[fast anchor]

recluse?

[next marlin]

I want to force people to play it

[sour harness]

Wait I thought Canadian catfishing was, like, a script that existed

Is it not

[gusty bear]

no

[fast anchor]

no 💀

it's mizu's deranged recollections of things that aren't on catfishing that he believes are

[sour harness]

Oh that's it lol

[next marlin]

It's a joke based on squall and mizu constantly complaining about how catfishing is such a bad script while also going "it has gossip and no dashii and pixie and boffin and summoner and also doesn't have vigor or sweetheart"

[sour harness]

I knew it was a mizuism of some kind

[gusty bear]

i like that mizu is credited

[fast anchor]

hystrex when are you going to play catfishing

[sour harness]

Ok but it does tho

[sour harness]

I think I should run it instead and see how that goes

[next marlin]

I keep forgetting things that these two think about catfishing and having to hotfix Canadian Catfishing

"oh wait shit squall said it didn't have sweetheart I need a fourth outsider"

[next marlin]

I very very badly want to run livetext catfishing

The opportunity has not arisen

[sour harness]

Technically I have played catfishing before!! It was when I was relatively new and I didn't know most of the people I played it with

[gusty bear]

i have yet to play catfishing

[sour harness]

I do remember being the oracle tho (I think)

[next marlin]

THERE'S NO ORACLE ON CATFISHING

😭

[fast anchor]

LMAOOOOOOO

[sour harness]

Ok that was the other game in the same session then

[fast anchor]

american catfishing when

[sour harness]

Oh right I remember, this was soon after the kazali release

I remember because we all groaned at the grim reveal upon learning that it was a kazali game 💀

[fast anchor]

it comes at night doesn't have an oracle either 🤨

[sour harness]

No the ST wrote that script

[ivory ridge]

LETS GOO

[fast anchor]

oh there's your first problem

[ivory ridge]

i once said oracle and tc is on catfishing

and people don't believe me

[fast anchor]

no ST should run a script they made except paradox running rtc because he is my bestie

[ivory ridge]

😔

[fast anchor]

and also we need hystrex to play rtc

[sour harness]

Yeah I do need to play that

[fast anchor]

you haven't played like

anything

[next marlin]

I can't run cc anymore

[sour harness]

Can you throw an oracle on there for me pls

That'll be my contribution

[ivory ridge]

which is the better cc? clockwork cyborg or canadian catfishing

[sour harness]

Canadian catfishing

[next marlin]

what the fuck do I even take off at this point

[gusty bear]

damn, now neither of me or stolen can run babytalk

[fast anchor]

it's ok i can run babytalk

the real issue is who's going to run confirmation unchained

[ivory ridge]

chef

[fast anchor]

habby already ran it

[sour harness]

I can't run quadjank 😔

[next marlin]

good

[ivory ridge]

wait chef is off lmao

[gusty bear]

yeah but we need to conspire to ensure that there's always 1 ongoing game of babytalk in text

[next marlin]

EXACTLY

[fast anchor]

it'd be hilarious if you made one change to actual catfishing here and nobody noticed as you passed it off as the real one

[sour harness]

Also I just realized, unbluffable investigator 😭

[fast anchor]

widow

fym unbluffable

[sour harness]

Demon bluffable

[fast anchor]

just bluff it

[next marlin]

I have seen the demon bluff invest in catfishing

also lose but like it happens

[fast anchor]

what is stopping the demon from bluffing investigator in catfishing

[gusty bear]

fym invest is unbluffable

[sour harness]

Loud minions

Godfather is your best bet and even then it's not at all silent

[fast anchor]

bluff the right minion in the wrong spot or have your widow selfpoison

[sour harness]

Yeah how

[fast anchor]

wdym how just talk to your minion

[next marlin]

do you always announce invest pings loudly in public in the first 0.5 seconds of d1

[sour harness]

If I pull the invest token I'm outing immediately then

[fast anchor]

and bluff the character they are between two people

[next marlin]

(on a vigor script, even)

[sour harness]

On a script like this? Yes

[fast anchor]

wouldn't you rather bluff librarian seeing the correct outsider

[fast anchor]

rip cannibal confirmation

[next marlin]

can't wait for the immortal pithag

[fast anchor]

millions of evil teams shall bluff cannibal correctly because of you

[sour harness]

Ok

She thinks I'm gonna play millions of games of catfishing

Isn't that funny

[next marlin]

yeah because it's a fun script

[gusty bear]

scrip

[fast anchor]

yeah because i don't think you—what vati said

[sour harness]

Scrip

[next marlin]

loving the cutoff

[gusty bear]

vati, famous for sending messages slightly faster than axo

[fast anchor]

and nothing else

that's all he's famous for

[next marlin]

but hell no I'm not loudly outing invest pings d1 of catfishing, either the minion dies and we have an immortal pithag or the good ping dies and someone mysteriously comes out with savant info confirming an immortal pithag so we should all focus on that world fr

also invests aren't real so I want to get dreamt first or gambled if the gambler is sufficiently suicidal

[fast anchor]

immortal = vigorkilled?

[next marlin]

yeah

[fast anchor]

not immortal because the pithag will make a drunk and then turn their demon into the fang gu

thus losing their ability

[next marlin]

how can they make a drunk? the invest is always the drunk

[sour harness]

OH I REMEMBER MY CHARACTER ON CATFISHING

Grandma seeing gambler

[next marlin]

how did you mix this up with oracle

[fast anchor]

not always, sometimes the ravenkeeper is the drunk

[sour harness]

Just like every other time I've pulled grandma (minus the one time I saw goon)

[sour harness]

Same play session

[next marlin]

every grandmother I've ever run saw a savant, I need to mix it up

[sour harness]

There are so so many times when grandmas see gamblers in my experience

[next marlin]

yeah it's the default meta which is why I always show savants instead

[sour harness]

That one in particular was my second or third time in a row (on scripts with both characters)

Like, I get it, they synergize in a really cool way. But show literally anything else sometimes pls

[next marlin]

I feel like the overdone drunk on catfishing is dreamer

which

fair

[fast anchor]

this is why you should run bmr

break the meta

[fast anchor]

drunk (canni) is also decently common

[next marlin]

so I can show the pacifist and then fuck up and forget to paci save anyone

(or town just executes the whole evil team in a row)

[fast anchor]

this is what tends to happen in most pacifist games

[next marlin]

I keep doing drunk snake charmer because I'm a coward

[fast anchor]

boooo

[next marlin]

actually I think the last drunk snake charmer game was when I co-ran electioneering (app custom with +4 evils) and tried to do twin amnesiacs and the evil twin instead got into a triple claim of mayor with the widow and the widow-poisoned pixie

[gusty bear]

so many things wrong with that statement

[fast anchor]

are you gonna send that hellscript or

[next marlin]

I gave the drunk-sc as a minion to the lunatic and he claimed mez to her and gave her a mez word

the guy who made the script is super nice so I'm not going to call it a hellscript but I will say it has +4 evils

[gusty bear]

what are the +4

[next marlin]

fang gu/mez/ogre/poli

[gusty bear]

mez, fang gu, ogre, poli?

damn

i was on the money

[next marlin]

coldcall lol

[gusty bear]

yeah that's not really tenable

mez poli is hilarious though

[next marlin]

fang gu mez ogre sneaks onto scripts surprisingly often I find

like if I'm looking at a script I've been asked to test and I'm going "damn that's a lot of extra evils" it's disproportionately that

[fast anchor]

fang gu ogre is more common

[next marlin]

though I also went through a phase of making fang gu the demon 100% of the time when I was asked to test someone's custom

[fast anchor]

mez i haven't seen

anyway +4 evils and it's not one in one out?!

[next marlin]

mez just sneaks onto everything

[gusty bear]

i don't think i've made a script with mez on it

[fast anchor]

it's a fun character but hard to build around

[next marlin]

fang gu ogre is imo borderline viable

base 0 fine because you have to jump the ogre

[fast anchor]

that's when i'm making my f3con script comp submission i am not featuring the mez 😇

[next marlin]

also this was a hint to go back to the vigor/cere/da/og/boffin-sailor script because I think this is an incredibly funny concept to force people to play and see what happens but you weren't happy with it just because it was 'soiled and filled with horrifying abominations'

which is simply the mark of a good script smh

[fast anchor]

oh i'm not happy with many of my scripts

I just build things for fun and stop when I realize in horror that I've just stolen other things

[tacit fiber]

Immortal Pithag?

[fast anchor]

vigorkilled

[tacit fiber]

oh nvm

I didn’t realize Catfishing has Vigor

[next marlin]

the first catfishing game I ran had a cerelocked player claiming invest the entire game and one of his 'invest pings' got godfather-killed n2

town was fully convinced of vigor, except for the dreamer who sniped the jumped fang gu

[coarse fern]

Godfather

[tardy wyvern]

I am not particularly active on this server, but the existence of Canadian Catfishing is probably my favorite clocktower bit of all time

[feral snow]

i'm so glad we could do this

[flat lintel]

any update on chipotle script

also i feel like we should start pinning questions for the day

[sour harness]

I need to run Canadian catfishing

[flat lintel]

???

[karmic rose]

@hollow oasis the people demand the chipotle script

[next marlin]

I love how more or less the only workable Boffin ability on Canadian Catfishing is goddamn Amnesiac

oh wait gossip

gossip works

[fast anchor]

boffin savant and dreamer slap wdym

[next marlin]

yes but it's a widow script

so Final Nail-style boffin is fully superfluous

[flat lintel]

what is canadian catfishing

and whats the difference

wasn't catfishing made by a brit

[zenith lotus]

its a mizu bit

[next marlin]

a meme based on squall and mizu (who are canadian) complaining that they 'hate catfishing' while forgetting every single role that's on it

so I gathered all the roles they keep saying are or aren't on catfishing into a script

[fast anchor]

mizu and squall complain that catfishing is bad but also seemingly have no idea what's on catfishing so say things like "there's no sweetheart on catfishing" or talk about the gossip and no dashii

[flat lintel]

i dont remember summoner being on catfishing 😭

[next marlin]

it's not

[ivory ridge]

oh im not canadian

[feral snow]

shut up lol

[next marlin]

but mizu once "played a catfishing game as the drunk amnesiac"

[feral snow]

sorry where do you live right now

[flat lintel]

drunk is on catfishing right?

[next marlin]

and showed me the grim and it had boffin and summoner

yeah but mizu forgor

[ivory ridge]

canada :sotrue:

[flat lintel]

its been too long, im gonna play some live

im forgetting whats even in botc

i need to have no life 😭

[ivory ridge]

app or unofficial

[fast anchor]

live voice mines

[next marlin]

*livevoice

[fast anchor]

nexus is an oldhead who remembers the pickup homebrew days

[flat lintel]

whats the best bmr traveler

[next marlin]

none

[flat lintel]

i think its apprentice

[ivory ridge]

poisoner

[fast anchor]

nexus do you still remember what over the ocean was i wanna run it sometime

[flat lintel]

YES

i remember playing it

i remember when it had hwsipher on it

and i played this weird quirky game

[zenith lotus]

when was the last time you played with the gronk? do you remember it? 😉

[flat lintel]

but it was so cool

[feral snow]

Matron

[next marlin]

only livetext bmr games ever:

1. apprentice incident
2. 16p pickup incident

[zenith lotus]

voudon 100%

[fast anchor]

:white_circle:react is crazy

[flat lintel]

voudon is so boring

you just sit on your butt for the entire game

[fast anchor]

bishop

[ivory ridge]

@next marlin that reaction was brutal 😭

[flat lintel]

bishop is not too far different

[ivory ridge]

and yes i will ping you for this

[flat lintel]

its only funny bc you get to tell the players fuck u

[ivory ridge]

matron is objectively the funniest one though

[next marlin]

should've pinged squall, he reacted too

[flat lintel]

im the best bmr traveler 🤩

come spectate

[zenith lotus]

elim (Traveller): Instead of being a sucky BMR traveller, you get a much cooler unspecified ability

[sour harness]

Deviant is the best BMR traveller

It's also the only BMR traveller

[flat lintel]

sure....

(does hystrex know botc)

[ivory ridge]

actually isnt aprrentice the most unbalanced traveller

[sour harness]

Usually

[zenith lotus]

they're just gaslighting, everyone knows gunslinger is the only BMR traveller

[fast anchor]

it's ok mizu i won't fault you for this

[ivory ridge]

so true bestie

[sour harness]

I will tho

<3

[ivory ridge]

well are you w-

nvm

[sour harness]

LOL

[fast anchor]

you know the answer deep within your heart mizu

[ivory ridge]

yes.

*t here is crazy

[flat lintel]

hey, you mean gangster? 🔫

WAIT

why is the gun posing to me

[ivory ridge]

*grim

[low burrow]

-> Grim link provided by (ST) Jeremiah:
https://clocktower.live/#jer
-> Grim link provided by (ST) IamAnoob12:
https://clocktower.live/#8847

[fast anchor]

#bot-commands

[flat lintel]

mizu whats up with you 😠

[sour harness]

Smh mizu

[zenith lotus]

no, i dont. stop gaslighting nexus 😉

[flat lintel]

sorry that was way too personal

for no reason

[next marlin]

mizu aren't you speccing shouldn't you have spec tag

[zenith lotus]

oops

hmmm

[next marlin]

or am I blind while looking at the grim

[flat lintel]

mizu just joined the game

whats wrong with mizu

[feral snow]

they're racist /hj

[flat lintel]

mizu whats up

[ivory ridge]

smh

[flat lintel]

i forgot what the noms period meant

[ivory ridge]

d1 exile is

rough

excuse for me to leave speccing early

anyway this is prime example of why altruistic assumption doesn't work

[flat lintel]

oof

[ivory ridge]

what happened? did you win

[flat lintel]

nop

[gray ridge]

bad sportsmanship tbh

[flat lintel]

i was upset 😦

[hollow oasis]

Fine I’ll make it myself

There were not enough submissions

[ivory ridge]

it's fine if i ever run livegame

i'll put angel on you

[next marlin]

mizu you should run livevoice again

so I can play

[fast anchor]

oh so when i run live voice you just sit there and spec

but when mizu runs livevoice you want to play

i see how it is 😤

i've cracked the code

[next marlin]

no I specifically owe mizu a game

but also just tell me to play if I'm speccing and you want me to play

I'm nervous

[ivory ridge]

the poli incident (?) help me

honestly idk if it's an "incident" or not

but the entire town following my trial was, very funny

[supple dirge]

1/28 inspired by this #general message What was 'the incident' in your group or games you've played

[shrewd cloud]

The Game 2 incident

The second ever game I played of BoTC (where we didn’t know wtf we were doing) had a lot of stuff that happened, but probably the funniest was the Snake Charmer who was double claiming the Chef the whole time and swapped with the Demon on the final day (and won since it was them and two Minions left)

Massive F

[next marlin]

The good vortox incident (I pithagged the presumed-unspent philo into the good vortox, he instasolved the game on the spot because I was the most likely person to make a good vortox and he was the philo-seam with a yes on me and my demon)

[sour harness]

We've had so many incidents

[honest tide]

Not so much an incident but just a funny turn of events. I played two games of BMR back to back. In the first game I was the Po who had to back into lunatic because I went off bluff and double claimed the courtier. I ended up losing that game a few days later. After that I was the DA and one of the bluffs given was lunatic. I ended up double claiming my own team then coming out with the lunatic claim day 3 (after I turned the goon and then protected myself). The person next to me was the pacifist who saved one other person. We ended up in final two me (the “confirmed lunatic” and the pacifist where I ended up pushing the goon as the zombuul who killed themselves in the night when they saw I picked them. Legendary game.

[ivory ridge]

matron and philo klutz incident :berk:

[gusty bear]

what script were you playing on your second game that had chef and sc??

[barren zenith]

Catfishing if I had to guess

[ivory ridge]

custom for game 2 is crazy

[shrewd cloud]

A custom the ST made. Again, none of us really knew what we were doing

[next marlin]

Average game 2

[gusty bear]

i think my game 2 was trust

[next marlin]

The first game I ever STed was co-STing a 16p custom I made that sucked super hard

[barren zenith]

My second game was homebrew lol

My first was TB tho

[ivory ridge]

my game 2 was tb

what did y'all even playing

[fresh shard]

My group had a Nightwatchman get poisoned but their target (the Ogre) bluffed receiving a ping having no idea that player was the actual Nightwatchman

[ivory ridge]

for me it's like, tb - tb - snv - tb - custom and bmr in like the 6th to 10th game

[fresh shard]

First two were TB, then one BMR, and from there it was a huge mixture

[barren zenith]

I don't like TB at 3 minions ngl

[fresh shard]

I bounced off SNV at first but it grew on me

[barren zenith]

The ravenkeeper is just so sad lol

[ivory ridge]

spoisoner baron goes hard

although the highest winrate might be sw pois baron?

[sour harness]

Me with bmr

[fast anchor]

for as much as I reference it here the philo-steward incident was actually relatively tame

one of our players pulled philo, thought it was each night instead of once per game, picked steward (and saw the banshee), and then the xaan claimed actual steward who saw the zealot (who cannot pull good to save her life most of the time)

i don't think she got executed that game, funnily enough

the banshee then got killed on the xaan night and the game got solved from there with the demon getting executed d3

[tacit fiber]

The "The Earth Is Flat Banana" Incident

3 wizard wishes. 2 of them were... chaotic

[sour harness]

My group has the Saint incident where a player who constantly pulls the demon token pulled the saint token. She was socially suspicious and had used saint bluffs a little too much so we decided to send the execution on her (we were also just having fun w it). The good scapegoat who had just travelled in caught it, but we (did I mention I was the demon) framed the SG just enough that town thought it would be funny to double tap. I was bureaucrat tripled that day and we sent the execution on her with an almost unanimous vote :)

[gusty bear]

*role scapegoat

[low burrow]

Scapegoat (Townsfolk) - Trouble Brewing

If a player of your alignment is executed, you might be executed instead.

**Affects Setup: **False

[gusty bear]

oh huh

that's worded differently than i thought it was

cool

[fast anchor]

my group has two separate cerenovus incidents

[sour harness]

Wait what did you think

[coarse fern]

“The amnesiac incident”
Storyteller made me the amnesiac with the ability “each night* choose a player and a reminder token. They get that reminder token then all reminder tokens shuffle”
Suffice it to say they no longer ST for us

[next marlin]

70% of amne games are "the amnesiac incident"

[coarse fern]

This one was just so ridiculously unbalanced it gets the title

We have had plenty of horrible Amne abilities

[next marlin]

I unfortunately STed "the marionette amnesiac incident" (he publicly solved that the player he learned with his ability was the demon, then, at the end of that sentence, publicly solved that he was the marionette)

Oh 8 savants was definitely also an incident

[coarse fern]

How 😭

[next marlin]

Cerenovus was barista-doubled from n1 through n4, picked a different player as savant each one of those nights and also cerelocked a player as savant from d1-d5, made a final player mad as savant on d6, bluffed philo-savant, and there was a real savant

There were 2 normal executions and 3 madness executions

[coarse fern]

That’s kinda on the ST for repeatedly doubling the cere

That’s really funny tho

[feral snow]

as a side note I love how the 4 things that inspired this are just my incidents

[next marlin]

Don't forget the shugenja incident

[feral snow]

ah yes

i'll choose that one for my answer since the others were mentioned

I, a Minion, neighboured 2 players claiming shug and both their neighbours did too. All pointing at me

Turns out 1 was a Shugenja (who was executed day 1), 1 was a pixie shugenja who learned their info pointing at me. 1 was the undertaker confirming the Shugenja and 1 was my Poisoner minion backing them up

I was promptly executed day 2.

||I was the Boomdandy||

[gusty bear]

i thought it was that they die instead

[dense hound]

the first half I can see being used and it being a little op but the shuffling 😭 why

[foggy grotto]

“the goblin incident” was when the PH turned a newer player into the Scarlet woman, and then told them they were evil even though they weren’t. then like all the evil players plus this good Scarlet woman started claiming goblin, and since there were too many evil people claiming goblin and Legion was on script, we were convinced it was a legion game. We then killed the actual goblin and lost

[coarse fern]

They thought it would be funny

But everyone’s alignment kept changing bc of a CL and random people came back to life bc of a shab

It got old fast

[ivory ridge]

wait this fucking game

:wail:

[feral snow]

lmaoooo

and you were the good person going "guys he might be the boomdandy we shouldn't do this" and no one listened

[ivory ridge]

worse, people think im the demon? somehow? 😭

[feral snow]

oh yeah they all pointed at you when i detonated

[tacit fiber]

There is the "4 Hour incident"

We played teensy Oops All Amnesiacs. I was the minion who was given voting power and convinced the town that 1. I had to be good, and 2. It was good to just wait (I thoguht it was a lev type game). Turns out the only way the game could proceed was with me dying. The Storyteller had to tell us this after 4 hours of sitting there and ppl starting to have to leave

[supple dirge]

That sounds awful lol

[sharp violet]

They should have told you privately after 2 days

[tacit fiber]

it was part of the demons ability, "You can't kill or be killed until the minion dies"

[ivory ridge]

i'd quit botc after that

[gray ridge]

town solved the game d1 because the demon told both their neighbours they were their marionette d1

and one outed

(they werent the marionette)

[vale oxide]

(29/1) What's the best game you ever storytold?

[feral snow]

Ooh I have one

New ish players (like game #4 ever), TB

It’s down to the final 3 and they’re all discussing

“Player A, what are you again?”
“Oh I’m the fortune teller, here’s my info”

“Great, what about you player B”
“I’m the Imp”

Now people are confused but still thinking

“Ooookay, what about you Player C?”
“I’m the Imp”

And everyone just lost it

“I’m the Imp” is all they would say for the rest of the day and town had the stupidest 50/50 of their life

Good got lucky and won that but it was hilarious all around

[ivory ridge]

what game is this 👀

i've never heard of this before

[feral snow]

Not our group

[flat lintel]

A Legion game with the quirkest 4 goods. A poppy, a chef, a farmer and a juggler.

Chef dies d1.

So I can’t farm pass for a bit, do I just wait it out and good seems to be winning correctly identifying legion.

At least, the Juggler does.

So I kill the Farmer and its juggler-farmer, poppy and like legions

And it is basically solved Legion at F3 with a few exceptions

And the last Legion claims Goblin and wins

[rose vault]

Day 1:
Pit Hag: "I claim psychopath and pick [Knight]"
Me: "Nothing happens." (Knight executed anyways)
Night 2, the Pit Hag turned themself into the Psychopath.
Day 2:
Psychopath: "I claim psychopath and kill [the dreamer]"
Me: "Okay. [Dreamer] dies."
Dreamer: "Aww come on! Well, I think I was the drunk after..."
Alchemist: "What? No! I claim Psychopath and kill... eh, screw it, I kill [the poisoner]".
Me: "[Alchemist] claims Psychopath and kills [poisoner], who dies."
Everyone: "Wait, WHAT?"
Dreamer: "Hold on, [Psychopath], you didn't kill anyone yesterday! What even--"
Me: "And this is the perfect time for me to tell you all that [the actual Drunk] broke madness and is executed. Goodnight!"
Everyone: Absolutely losing their shit

[fast anchor]

I've STed so many bangers! It's hard to choose one! If I had to narrow though:

• game of lunar eclipse where f3 was the DA-protected vigor (who was convinced they were the lunatic), the DA, and the very trusted Mayor I just bounced off (because DA-protected demon): evil barely squeaked out a win by dodging the tie
• game of bait & switch where the magician had the game solved but was too busy fakeclaiming demon for the first few days and wasn't believed: very fun to make savant info that game; everyone had a blast
• game of LuF where I gave almost-perfect Savant info that narrowed the worlds down to exactly two; very close and climactic but good clutched a win
• game of Grimm Chorus attached: summoned Pukka ran with an amne bluff he wasn't expecting to have to do solo (as starting amne) and poisoned all the right people at all the right times to sell the right worlds (grim attached)

[barren zenith]

Uhh, does everyone put the bluffs in the middle?

I don't

[tacit fiber]

I do

idk where else to put thme

[barren zenith]

Above the night order sheet

[tacit fiber]

you use both parts of the grimoire?

I only use 1 half

[zenith lotus]

what

[barren zenith]

Yes

[tacit fiber]

cringe

[zenith lotus]

how do you even only use one section

[ivory ridge]

i put bluff on the other side of the grim

[fast anchor]

Some people put them on the other side of the grim

With the night orders

If I'm running a script with PD i put them there

[next marlin]

mastermind as substitution token for summoner goes thematically hard

[fast anchor]

is also why shabaloth is the yag sub

(I normally use Po because it has the same number of reminder tokens, but grimm chorus actually has a Po on it)

[sour harness]

I put em back in the box

[shrewd cloud]

I put them on the right above the night order though move them to the center of the left when allowing people to take pictures post game

[fleet hedge]

I know it's been like 11 days since this message but did this get unpinned because I can't see it there?

[feral snow]

i believe so

its still there

[feral snow]

#storytelling message

[fleet hedge]

Thank you!

[tacit fiber]

wait when did it get unpinned

[fast anchor]

probably because it wasn't run by the mods before getting pinned

smh squall can't believe you're pin abusing, unlike me who would never do such a thing

[feral snow]

Ikr I’m terrible

[tacit fiber]

I see

[pseudo fulcrum]

31/1: Here's a nice simple one: What's your go-to Courtier target on BMR and why?

[fresh shard]

In a 1 minion game I'll generally hold it until I can figure out the demon type. In 2+ minion games I usually drunk the DA immediately.

If you drunk the DA you can mentally disregard any world where someone who survives execution is evil, but the value of doing so rises as it's more likely to be in play because you might also just catch the demon off guard and win (or at least trigger a mastermind day)

In a smaller game it becomes proportionally more valuable to give good 3 more executions

[young sonnet]

^^^^

[vale oxide]

^^^^

[next marlin]

Actually the courtier is contractually obligated to always choose po and lose because it's not a po

[fresh shard]

Funnily enough I don't even know if blocking a Po is that useful if the first night is a night it would have charged anyway

If it charges night 1, 3 kills night 2 (realises it's drunk) and the ST is running it correctly, it charges again night 3 and gets 3 kills when the drunkenness expires

You are generally not going to block more than 4 kills total, which means that statistically drunking a Shab is better

It's much more devastating if your ST runs with the house rule that the Po can't charge while drunk

[ivory ridge]

drunking shab means no revive 😔

but anyway i don't like drunking demon personally

[tacit fiber]

oh I actually never thought of drunking DA

[feral snow]

I’m lazy but whichever demon it’s most likely to be

[ivory ridge]

not a n1 drunker? smh

[fresh shard]

One day the DA will push to confirm the demon or themselves while protected day 1, and I'll get to see their face when they die

[ivory ridge]

yknow

i don't think i've ever seen a courtier hitting a demon actually

[sour harness]

You assume I'd pull the token

I think assassin is an underated pick

Gf n1 is also hilarious

For me it's very game state reactive (except gf lol)

If there's a gossip claim and a gambler claim, I might drunk the assassin so they can't bluff or mess with those

[ivory ridge]

do you think drunking minion is more useful than demon?

[sour harness]

Sometimes

[fast anchor]

Drunking any of the Minions N1/N2

courtier drunking the GF N1 is hilarious if it's in play

similarly N2 Assassin/Mastermind is pretty underrated since if a TL neighbor or Fool dies, you know a lot more about the gamestate

and DA is DA

my group holds their Courtier drinks as long as they can to drunk the Demon and then usually whiffs so I'm waiting for the game I get to show off drunking a minion

[sour harness]

IT IS????

[coarse fern]

Courtier

[lucid crag]

Gossip because f*ck em /j

grandma lowkey is a fun courtier pick though

since you can confirm some massive things there

if grandma's child is claiming what they were seen as it's sus, if not you confirm yourself and grandma

not fool proof but can go really well

[next vault]

Grandma/Tinker N2 is a choice too, very niche and meme-y, but a choice

[fast anchor]

the shab-rezzed courtier-drunk grandmother about to confirm the demon:

[next vault]

😭

[foggy grotto]

blah blah blah DA play but also drunking the MM N2 after you think the evil team is trying to go for a D2 MM win is peak clocktower

[shrewd cloud]

Mfw the Courtier drinks with the MM and the game immediately ends

[next vault]

honestly d2 mm win is so funny

"Guys the Po charged or the Zombuul couldn't kill or the Tea Lady or the Innkeeper or....."

"Let's double tap this just in case"

[supple dirge]

'No one died, lets kill the tea lady's neighbor again for science'

[next vault]

"guys I swear I'm just the Goon who got turned evil and totally not the Demon"

[acoustic chasm]

I had a game I did both

I drunked the Devil's Advocate N1, and they got executed for 'science'

Then I got killed

Later the professor revived me and I drunked the Po correctly

Still lost

[fast anchor]

you successfully hit the demon and still lost? was it like f4?

[acoustic chasm]

The ST made a mistake that made the Demon's Sailor bluff look legit

And didn't realise until post game

And the entire group at the time are like middling in experience for BMR so they insisted on making every single execution a Mastermind check

[next vault]

😭

[acoustic chasm]

ye

Unfortunate game

The mistake the ST made as the Grandmother not dying after their grandchild, the innkeeper, died to the demon. Because they thought the Innkeeper protected and drunked the Grandmother

On the exact same night the Demon bluffed picking the grandmother as sailor

then the ST and I talked at cross purposes about his method of running that interaction

And that lead me to think

ye

[next vault]

In the case that an Innkeeper protected and drunked the Grandmother but then died to the Demon in the same night the Grandmother would die with them

[austere steppe]

Lunatic - tis socially optimal

[honest tide]

Goon

No alignment changing for you buddy

[barren zenith]

for 1 night

[karmic rose]

Can anyone post the questions here?

2/2: what's a character you find yourself putting on scripts much more than you initially intend to? much less than you initially intend to?

[coarse fern]

I feel like I keep putting pixie onto things and I never put marionette onto scripts as much as I want to

[young sonnet]

Town Crier cause base game just has limited TF options

[next marlin]

Oh yeah I somehow end up putting TC on everything

[zenith lotus]

same

[cold veldt]

almost every script i make ends up having savant on it

its just really versatile

[young sonnet]

It's cause we just don't really have great alternatives for info puzzles yet

We badly need GoS to release for our scriptbuilding

Probably TT as well

[foggy grotto]

I keep putting Puzzlemaster on my scripts instead of Drunk because its THE GOAT!!!!!! THE ABSOLUTE GOAT!!!!!!!!!!

[young sonnet]

I think I want to put Goon on scripts, but like, it pretty much never works out in a balanced way

The balance of choosers just is almost never right

[feral snow]

I feel like I overuse Savant, and underuse Juggler

Savant is just so versatile

And Juggler needs a lot of specific misinfo to work

[cold veldt]

ikr it can like literally go everywhere

i have 6 scripts uploaded to botc-scripts and 5 of them have savant

its a real problem for me

[feral snow]

As an ST you get so much control over info that it’s always exactly as balanced as you want it to be

[ivory ridge]

savant

and seamstress

i think seamstress might be my most overused?

she's so mid

😭

[next marlin]

PM is so based and I put it everywhere but it's not the question for me because I usually intend to put it places

[cold veldt]

i am very wary of seamstress i remember it solving like way too many games of one of my scripts

it is long dead on there now

[next marlin]

Actually I keep having to take it off because it's easy to end up with a script where if there's no pm claim the info is just too trustworthy

[next vault]

PM is an outsider I really like

[cold veldt]

yeah that's an issue with PM

sometimes i see like PM Widow as only misinfo and i fear for games where theres no PM claim or widow ping

[next marlin]

It's funny how the "mid snv townsfolk" (tc, oracle, seam) are actually pretty insane

[next vault]

Oracle is quite strong

[cold veldt]

wait is that the case for clockwork cyborg? idk it was fine there

[next marlin]

People keep putting oracle on dark triad scripts and it hardsolves every game

[next marlin]

cc also has recluse which helps

[ivory ridge]

ew

recluse smh

[next marlin]

and madness or madness-adjacent roles (cere, damsel, poli)

the info landscape manages to work out averaged across games

[cold veldt]

i smh at your syh (shaking your head)

[ivory ridge]

also i don't think savant can go everywhere tbh

seamstress meanwhile 🔥

i find putting savant in low info script can be very centralizing

like sure you could give them less useful info

[next marlin]

savant goes on every script, including all of the base 3

[zenith lotus]

i cant put imp on a script without accidently remaking either TB or TB + mez (its kinda of weird honestly)

[ivory ridge]

but at one point you kinda ran out, or just couldn't predict the horrendous consequence in the end

[next marlin]

this is also true of mathematician

[ivory ridge]

like turn out 'longest line of tf is 3' somehow solve the game 😭

[next marlin]

stop doing longest line of townsfolk

it's practically a clock number

[ivory ridge]

this is an example

another thing is 'x, y, z are in play'

my point is savant seems innocuous enough but

it can just be too strong

also oracle is not mid in snv smh my head

[zenith lotus]

did you just say smh my head?

[ivory ridge]

yes

[next marlin]

oracle is mid unless it's vigor in which case it d2 reracks every time

[zenith lotus]

wtf

[ivory ridge]

fang gu:

[zenith lotus]

shaking my head my head

[next marlin]

unless you're felneus and you go out of your way to pithag jump and then the oracle, in his words, "somehow gets the grim"

[ivory ridge]

it's good against vigor and fang gu

and also can snipe vortox early sometimes

[next marlin]

oracle 1 on n2: it's one of four demons, also it instantly solves

[ivory ridge]

it's a pretty strong tf

like you can probs keep an uncheck tc/seam in your script

but an uncheck oracle is crazy

talking about seam

it's like 100% the weakest tf in snv right?

or is that sage (in the context of snv only)

[next marlin]

sage

sage is the only snv townsfolk that can by no fault of its own never do anything

[ivory ridge]

ok

let’s just ignore sage

for the sake of my argument

who is the weakest then

[coarse fern]

Clockmaker

It only gets info once = bad and useless

[zenith lotus]

vati we need the :so_true: react 😉

there it is 😉

[next marlin]

lol I literally hit it when I got back to my laptop

but yeah this is actually a thing people intuit about ysks that's interesting to me

because intuitively ongoing info seems stronger than ysk info because there's more of it

which results in people massively underestimating the strength of some really unhinged ysks/opgs

[ivory ridge]

tbf is there really a difference between seamstress no and a noble ping

[coarse fern]

Yeah clockmaker is very very powerful, it can hardsolve a lot of games

[next marlin]

seam no is on 2 players so the sense in which it's a noble ping is the sense in which a noble ping is on 4 players

seam no is more like an invest ping that might catch the demon

[coarse fern]

The conception that clockmaker is weak has ruined many potentially good scripts 😔

[ivory ridge]

no i mean like a true sober noble ping obviously

smh my head

[karmic rose]

I put seamstress on as the last townsfolk pretty often, and I haven't ever put ET on a script, I think

[karmic slate]

Love slapping Fisherman and Savant on scripts 😆 they’re so good

[acoustic chasm]

Hmm

Amnesiac gets on a frankly weird amount

For me

Savant also commonly gets on

[fresh shard]

Dammit I keep doing this exact thing

[karmic rose]

fisherman is so good too

[fresh shard]

But then most other misinfo sources are messy on some scripts because too unsolvable (Drunk, Poisoner), have specific implications for what Townsfolk you run (No Dashii, Vortox) or are Xaan which is great but for reasons doesn't fit on the script I'm trying to make

I find myself using Goblin a LOT because it's a safety not of sorts that isn't SW and isn't super script specific

I need to think about the implications of using Boomdandy

(Is it necessarily a bad thing if evil has to proactively push a misinfo claim like Widow or Puzzlemaster?)

[minor pier]

Depends on what's on the script. If worlds come down to 'the player with the widow/PM claim is evil, or the one with the bad info is evil', that's way too risky a gamble for evil, yet they can't afford not doing it if that's the only source of misinfo/malfunction on script.

Scripts with more ambiguous TF (mechanical ones with built-in malfunction cases, or vague info ones), can more easily accommodate loud droison as the only source of it.

[fast anchor]

how many of those are versions of best friends forever

Anyway, Noble, General, Puzzlemaster, Fisherman

also seamstress

I overuse like all of them

[minor pier]

Pixie is also such a good one, fits almost anywhere.

[young sonnet]

Tf is "dark triad"

[fresh shard]

Imp, Vigormortis, Fang Gu

People seem to like that combo a lot for some reason

(I think because it's the main way you can run non-arbitrary outsider mod without relying on minions)

[acoustic chasm]

Yes yes

Puzzlemaster

Is also on a huge number of my scripts

[fresh shard]

I can't remember the last customs I made that didn't have Noble and Fisherman on

[acoustic chasm]

Non arbritrary outsider mod, same KPN demons, all make for different worlds, all give distrust to players dying

it really is a pretty trio

[fresh shard]

Hence Oracle hardsolving

[acoustic chasm]

just hope oracle is next to a vigor minion

it really is as simple as that

[fresh shard]

I feel like the downside is Imp probably wants a different misinfo environment

[acoustic chasm]

Imp+Fang Gu can get by well together

[fresh shard]

Fang Gu is usually overpowered with meaningful amounts of misinfo I think

But I don't hate it necessarily

[acoustic chasm]

I mean I also just need to mention that most of my scripts do turn into a solo-Imp script

I think also any script with 'mostly quiet minions' magically manifests a boffin on it

And because Puzzlemaster is so overused and it's a great interaction with boffin, there is usaully at least 1 great interaction with boffin on script

[young sonnet]

I don't think it hardsolves then unless there's no misinfo lmao

Like there better be a Drunk or a PM or a Mez or a Poisoner or a No Dashii or something

But yeah if oracle is just rawdogging those 3 it's difficult

[acoustic chasm]

oracle is kinda different to say undertaker though

Oracle can detect 1 night of poison in a way UT can't

[tidal quiver]

I always end up putting fisherman on my scripts, it's just a solid medium-power filler sort of role IMO

[hollow oasis]

I use balloonist a LOT

It’s on EVERY SCRIPT I HAVE

[next marlin]

the fang gu bluff 🔥

[supple dirge]

Oracle learning a dead player mez turning is really cool and never thought about it till someone pointed it out as a possibility on a script I was running

[hollow oasis]

Fang gu script? On it

Baron script? On it!

Xaan Lord of Typhon? On it

heretic huntsman? ON IT

It’s absurd

[shrewd cloud]

Shugenja I put on more scripts than I probably should lol. It’s just neat

Fisherman also makes it way on a lot of scripts

Goblin’s a character I want to put on more scripts personally but that just sort of has a hard time fitting it it feels

[hollow oasis]

Add

Legion

Trust me it’s funny

[cold veldt]

ah if we're counting versions, 13 out of the total 14 would be savant-havers :DD

[hollow oasis]

2/3: In the world where Professor doesn’t exist, create the last Townsfolk on BMR (Do not just remake Professor)

[sharp violet]

Acrobat

[cold veldt]

professor 2 innit

[hollow oasis]

dies

[tacit fiber]

can I also remake Shaboloth

[sour harness]

Probably just nightwatchman tbh

It's not like virgin works

[sour harness]

Acro is good too yeah

Fropressor (Townsfolk): Once per game, at night, choose a dead player: learn the character of one of their alive neighbors.

I'm used to designing info lol

Proffffor (Townsfolk): Once per game, at night*, choose a dead player: one of their Townsfolk neighbors dies.

... meh?

[feral snow]

Rosseforp (Townsfolk): Good players killed by the Demon might be resurrected.

[lost thistle]

(time isnt real): You’re playing sects and violets, you’re the dreamer, and you just dreamed somebody as the mutant. what do you say to them?

[sour harness]

We have had the previous question for not even 2 hours

Time is a little bit real

[lost thistle]

also this yeah, would shab still regurg

[cold veldt]

"oi i saw you as professor 2 innit"

[hollow oasis]

Yes

[tacit fiber]

what evil did I see

[fast anchor]

marionette (you're playing s&v + skeptic)

[lost thistle]

vortox
uhhhhh
cerenovus

[tacit fiber]

gr pithag would've been funny

[lost thistle]

okay we can do it with pit hag too

[tacit fiber]

pithag would've been

"I know who you are. You know what to do. Do you understand?"

I love being ph jumped

[lost thistle]

oooo you want to turn me into an outsider and fang gu jump me oooooo

[tacit fiber]

yeahh

Shaboloth: Each night*, choose two players (not yourself): they die. Players you choose might instead live but register as dead and you learn this.

Necromancer: Once per game, at night*, choose a player (not yourself). They live but register as dead.

I like a beeger zombuul suite

[sour harness]

Uhhh

Shab breaks the game then

It can just kill itself

(unless it can't 👀)

This is an upside tho as it is, not a downside

I'm also not sure this works with bmr style waking, unless you want SnV style bluffing

[tacit fiber]

it's a might

[sour harness]

(not to dunk on your idea, that's not the intent but rereading it sure seems like it)

[tacit fiber]

it's a downside that gives towsnfolk their ability even after death

[sour harness]

Would you not proc it there tho

[tacit fiber]

if the shab chooses themself I would shurg

as if the assassin was trying to pick the zombuul

[sour harness]

I think a (not yourself) would make it work way better

[tacit fiber]

sure

[tacit fiber]

wdym

[lost thistle]

can the necro pick an alive player to make them fake die

[tacit fiber]

this is the intent

[sour harness]

"hi I'm dead but I woke last night"

[lost thistle]

necro fool 💀

[tacit fiber]

they'll need to be killed a bunch

[fast anchor]

Surgeon from TBA seems interesting in that slot (goes something like "Twice per game at night*, choose a player: if they would die, they live and vice versa")

[tacit fiber]

mm true, what would you do with Shab

[fast anchor]

I'm thinking it should be something that slows the game down to keep balance

[fast anchor]

Probably let it be outed tbh

It's a thematic downside

[tacit fiber]

I don't like that >_<

making a BMR demon loud makes things like 10x harder for the evil team

[fast anchor]

you can just not like that ^_^

[tacit fiber]

fair >:(

[sour harness]

It's shab, the volume is the biggest downside

[fast anchor]

shab gets outed in most BMR games anyway since minions are cowards who don't take prof bluffs

Also just sink your kills skill issue

Kill issue, even

[rare plume]

wait i just realized that kills is literally skill backwards 😱😱😱

[acoustic chasm]

Sllik

[sour harness]

Kills Ssuei

[acoustic chasm]

Hmm

If I were to make a Prof replacement hmm

I do agree Surgeon is pretty BMR-y and cool

[sharp violet]

Professhee: If the Demon kills you, a dead Townsfolk is revived.

[next vault]

Where votes

[tidal quiver]

Orprofess: "On your first night, choose a player. When you die, that player is revived if good"

[karmic slate]

#homebrew-characters continues spreading

[next marlin]

We have to make up for the new releases ending

[young sonnet]

Don't you mean #speculation-and-spoilers ?

The deadly outbreak must be quarantined

[ivory ridge]

Engineer

just to be clear i don't think it's good

but

it's objectively funny

Engineer every game into Mastermind Godfather Zombuul

[gray ridge]

me when Im the mez turned engineer

[acoustic chasm]

me when I'm the Mez on BMR

[foggy grotto]

it would have been this thursday 😔

[ivory ridge]

quick someone make an occultist video

[next marlin]

You know what? I don’t know what it’s going to be. Sometimes it feels like there’s a strong answer, but there’s just this feeling in the air I get, the sense that nobody here has yet put all the puzzle pieces in the proper place. In uncertain times like these, where there is so many possibilities and so few answers, I find solace not through logic, or reasoning, or the truth, but through my faith.
I think this time it’s going to be the Occultist.

[foggy grotto]

PLEASE

[ivory ridge]

occultist is super fun to play as an outsider

maybe because it's literally not one but we're not gonna talk about that

[next marlin]

last occultist game I ran the occ got executed in f4 for breaking so maybe it is 💀

[ivory ridge]

how 😭

how do you even occultist break

[next marlin]

by not being mad you learned something new

[ivory ridge]

that's griefing fr fr

there's no reason any normal occultist break unintentionally

[sour harness]

I think Jax was just mostly afk

[next marlin]

that's why f4 took so long because I was trying to make sure I wasn't madness executing an afk player

then he came back and was like "oh yeah I didn't learn anything" so I just went "sweet"

[sour harness]

Oh

Can't really argue with that

[ivory ridge]

LMAO

[ivory ridge]

wait per occultist, you can just be mad that you learn somethiing new right?

so something like "i learn a player is good but i don't want to tell y'all unless they're on block" is fine right?

or "i learn some info about the demon but i don't want to share yet"

[ivory ridge]

pixie?

[fast anchor]

vizier (it's on more than 1 script)

[next marlin]

so true

[hollow oasis]

True

[lucid crag]

Harpy is on more than I expected, though it's one less than Cere

[fast anchor]

hey why is there a vat shaped hole in the wall

[hollow oasis]

I need a new script

I have the following

[fast anchor]

you use pukka a decent amount bluwe

[next marlin]

I noticed that one

Actually is atheist the one that's on everything

[hollow oasis]

Legion script (My pride and joy)
AlHad script(The goddamn lunatic script of all things, very funny)
Lord of Typhon/Wizard script(Self-Explanatory)

[fast anchor]

atheist is 4 for 9

[lucid crag]

It is up there as my favorite demon

[next marlin]

everyone on this server has the weirdest favourite demons

[fast anchor]

the more I run grimm chorus and bait & switch the more it grows on me

Pukka's fun and can be devastating if wielded well

[lucid crag]

true
though 1 is a meme heretic script lol

[lucid crag]

I think I

only ran the top three scripts

Wizard of Typhon, Better Say Something, and Insiders

[coarse fern]

Mines golem

[next marlin]

yagga bluffing golem

[coarse fern]

No just golem

It kills people = demon

[sour harness]

I think my favorite in practice is leviathan, favorite conceptually is zombuul, and vigor is the best of both worlds

[hollow oasis]

Legion.

[sour harness]

Well, actually I don't pull good very often on leviathan scripts

[hollow oasis]

Leviathan is good tho

[lucid crag]

what's a role I don't have on any of these scripts?

[hollow oasis]

Any role that changes the game significantly in a fun way is my favorite

[coarse fern]

Leviathan is the ultimate puzzle demon

[hollow oasis]

So basically fuck Poppygrower

[sour harness]

Xaan

[coarse fern]

Like every Levi game I play is a fun game to solve

[hollow oasis]

Xaan is cool because it forced Hystrex to get his misinfo degree

[sour harness]

Every Levi game I play is a fun opportunity to get people to solve the puzzle wrong

[sour harness]

Xaan was a response to this btw

[lucid crag]

Ah I don't have Leviathan Poppygrower or Xaan on any of my scripts

[sour harness]

Or riot

Or alhad I think

[lucid crag]

or Baron/Spy weirdly enough

[coarse fern]

Xaan not being on any of the 9 scripts is impressive

Xaan is very versatile for script building

[hollow oasis]

Or legion

[next marlin]

my simultaneous opinions on vigor are:

1. undertuned and overdesigned, really needed more focus to work out weird interactions that are visibly holdovers from the "so it's good design if we let the fang gu have infinite jumps, right?" era of snv
2. holy shit so based

[sour harness]

Xaan is simply the perfect minion

[lucid crag]

riot and legion not being there makes sense since I only play text not live

[sour harness]

Oh is legion bad in text

[hollow oasis]

Yeah no legion live text sounds like HELL

[sour harness]

I guess the voting might do it

[lean isle]

It's problematic.

[next marlin]

Longtext, not livetext

[hollow oasis]

In text

[sour harness]

Legion livetext sounds great

[next marlin]

live other formats-livetext---------------------------------------------------------------------longtext, in terms of similarity to each other

[lucid crag]

never seen a good longtext legion game

[coarse fern]

We’ve done that before

Choose your own alignment

[lucid crag]

prob could be good tho

[hollow oasis]

if 12p CC was that untrackable

[sour harness]

Oh yeah I beat you guys

[hollow oasis]

Legion is Not gonna be fun

[next marlin]

admittedly having your first ever livetext be 12p is a bad intro

[coarse fern]

I wouldn’t know I subbed out

Probably why we lost

[next marlin]

I had to run 2 minion livetext again yesterday

[sour harness]

Prob yeah

[next marlin]

it's always a situation

[hollow oasis]

Ok

[coarse fern]

That was a cool game but yeah it’s a lot

[sour harness]

"had to"

[hollow oasis]

14p BOTC is just better

[next marlin]

suffering from success

[sour harness]

Just learn .live

[lean isle]

Longtext Legion has trouble with socials.

[sour harness]

Hmmm

[lucid crag]

my main alhad script was King of Monkey Island by Miha, so I never ended up making my own

(btw this script was 🔥)

[coarse fern]

Baron and loud minions is Hystrex’s favorite

[hollow oasis]

It’s only 2

[next marlin]

just have the damsel live until f3 lmao ez

wait hang on it's barber damsel

yeah it's fine

[hollow oasis]

Also lunatic AlHad

[sour harness]

Can I get a :sotrue:

[hollow oasis]

Thank god someone else saw the vision

[sour harness]

Tbf it'll play fine in... 3 minion

[lucid crag]

oh unrelated but script building related

how the heck do you put acrobat on a script

[coarse fern]

This is secret thing everything is related

[lucid crag]

lol

[hollow oasis]

Uhhhhh

You

Go to script builder

[lucid crag]

Like what does acro work with

[hollow oasis]

Oh

The answer is BMR

[coarse fern]

It needs some droison and some death mod with it I think?

[hollow oasis]

you could literally do BMR but replace gambler with acro

and the death mod WOULD NOT CHANGE

[lucid crag]

Aye

[sour harness]

Yeah but the confirmation chains would